Oh, That Joe! (No. 23 in a Series) — Biden Tells Looney Gym His Grandkids Better Get Him a Room With a View
Speaking at the Looney Complex gymnasium Thursday on the campus of Missouri Western State University, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., said he hopes his grandkids become rich so he can spend his final days in a room with a view.
"Look, rich people, God love ‘em, they’re patriotic folks," Biden said in St. Joseph, Mo. "I hope my grandchildren end up being rich people so I get a window with a view when they put me in the home."
The 65-year-old Delaware lawmaker, one of the least wealthy members of the Senate, recently came under fierce GOP criticism for saying that rich people should pay higher taxes because "it’s time to be patriotic." He and his wife Jill have five grandchildren: their son Hunter’s kids Naomi, Finnegan, and Maisy and Beau’s kids Natalie and Hunter.
On Wednesday in Ft. Myers, Fla., the loquacious Blue Hen brought the elder Hunter out on stage to joke about who has custody of the youngest Bidens.
"He doesn’t like me saying this, but I joke with he and his wife — who I consider my daughter — Kathleen, they have temporary custody of my three grandchildren," Biden said. "They’re mine! They happen to be their children, but they’re my grandchildren."
"Y’all get that," added Biden, pointing to some elderly members of the south Florida crowd. "Y’all know that one, right?"
Another favorite Biden line is his staple stump statement that he is the fourth-most senior senator, but there are 39 others older than him.
But before Biden ends up in his retirement room with a view, he hopes to enjoy the view from the Oval Office, should he and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., get elected this November. And to that end, Biden, Thursday, made a big push for middle-class voters.
"Look, all kidding aside," Biden said after his retirement joke. "Wealthy people do well when? When the middle class does well. Poor folks do better when? When the middle class does well."
"When the middle class fails," he warned. "America fails."
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“When the middle class fails,” he warned. “America fails.”
Very true.
Posted by: Ryan c | October 9, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Biden makes his “staple stump statement” in a Looney Gym?
Posted by: ricky | October 9, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
ryan, since we are alone, did you hear the one about the dead sheep attack?
Read George Will today?
Posted by: ricky | October 9, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Could it be he’s the 4th most senior in terms of years in the Senate? I think that may be what he’s talking about.
Also, I don’t understand what was wrong with what he said.
Finally, I DO think paying taxes is patriotic. What else is it? We don’t do it because it’s darn good time. We do it for the benefit of our country, and when we have troops in harms way who need funding, and children who need schools, and good programs that benefit all of us, paying taxes is about the only truly patriotic thing most citizens actually ever do.
But that’s just my take.
Posted by: Teri B. | October 9, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
With Biden and Looney in the headline, it won’t be long before our friends the squirrels drop everything except their ACORNS and come running.
Posted by: ricky | October 9, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
Senator Biden speaking at the Looney Gym is very appropriate since the Socialist agenda is their theme song. SOCIALISM IS WRONG AND EVIL. IT TAKES FROM THE RESPONSIBLE AND GIVES TO THE IRRESPONSIBLE. The middle class are now paying for the blunders of the Democratic Party.
Posted by: Marla | October 9, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Looney gym? C’mon, this is a joke, right?
Posted by: Mortimer Snerd | October 9, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Thank heavens Rip Van Winkle’s record is still intact. Marla only slept the last eight years. Hint: there was this guy named Bush. While you were napping he was clearing brush and regulations out of the way of interprising capitalist innovators.
Posted by: ricky | October 9, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
“Look, rich people, God love ‘em, they’re patriotic folks,” Biden said
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Not what Zerobameus, God of Nothingness, said. According to his phony Nothingness, they are NOT patriotic, unless they pay.
Posted by: d0 | October 9, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
I’m glad Obama choose Biden. I wonder if the Republicans feel the same about their guy McCain and gal Palin.
There’s a report out several Republicans feel their opportunity at the White House would have held a better chance with Mike Huckabee.
Posted by: Vanessa | October 9, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Why won’t his rich lawter lobbyist sons help him?
Posted by: geevill | October 9, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Risky, erratic, and uncertain is what Obama calls helping out the home owners….he knows it will not work. He knew that the surge in Iraq would not work and waved the white flag of surrender. Go away Obama. America take back your country and get busy with the repairs.
Posted by: Ann | October 9, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Ricky – McCain would have been there but he thought some one said loony bin. Either that or was terrified of the late night commedians and their reaction to him speaking in a Loony Gym.
LOL
Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 9, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Vanessa,
The demos would have a lock if they chose HRC or Biden for the matter as their nominee.
They abandoned their best and most qualified persons, picking one who has done nothing, is doing nothing, and will do nothing by Affirmative Action.
If he was not black, he is real nothing. He is black, so he is something nothing in your blind view.
Posted by: d0 | October 9, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Look, all kidding aside,” Biden said after his retirement joke. “Wealthy people do well when? When the middle class does well. Poor folks do better when? When the middle class does well.”
So Biden supports McCain then. He just descibed supply-side economics (trickle down). Obama is a socialist he supports sincome redistribution.
Posted by: geevill | October 9, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
“SOCIALISM IS WRONG AND EVIL. IT TAKES FROM THE RESPONSIBLE AND GIVES TO THE IRRESPONSIBLE.”
Maria, you are talking about John McCain’s plan, right?
STEP 1. Bank sells mortgage for $500000 on a house that was priced $250000 two years ago.
STEP 2. Republican look-the-other-way regulation turns the housing bubble into the largest threat to the very economy of the nation since the great depression. Housing prices fall.
STEP 3. TAXPAYERS pay full price, $500000 on a house that is now worth $250000.
STEP 4. The bank takes NO LOSS on the loan. The taxpayer takes 50% loss.
STEP 5. GOTO STEP 1.
spend $300 BILLION DOLLARS paying FULL price to the banks who have mortgages on homes
book value to banks who ma
Posted by: John | October 9, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Affirmative Action = A.A.
Admiral + Admiral = A.A.
Admiral McCain I + Admiral McCain II =
Admission to U.S. Naval Academy
Prisoner of War = P.O.W.
P.O.W. + Second Wife $ = Political Career
Posted by: ricky | October 9, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
“Look, all kidding aside,” Biden said after his retirement joke. “Wealthy people do well when? When the middle class does well. Poor folks do better when? When the middle class does well.”
So Biden supports McCain then. He just descibed supply-side economics (trickle down). Obama is a socialist he supports sincome redistribution.”
Biden says when the middle class does well the wealthy do well.
Geevil call that trickle down economics.
Up is down with right wingers.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
mccain should write bill ayers a thank you note
bill,
thank you so much the the opportunity to run for president of the usa, and keeping a following of people using your name only,
it is clear i don’t have a plan other that what george had to offer and you see what is happening with that.
only in the usa can a person run for president with no plan-
if you don’t mind sarah and i will continue to use your name and maybe your wife from time to time.
please don’t feel slighted when i talk about that ones birth certificate some times. i will alway come back to using you name, it works so well, in exciting the crowd. a crowd pleaser, if you will.
thanks again,
john “mavrick coconut” mccain
and
sarah “moose shooter” palin.
Posted by: omg | October 9, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
GEEVIL provides a counter-factual definition of ‘Supply Side Economics’.
SUPPLY SIDE ECONOMICS is when you favor the wealthy with the lowest possible tax burden and they, through their magnificence, help the middle class by spending more money at the golf course or buying a Rolls Royce.
Or by sending our jobs overseas, as per the University of Chicago school of economics that the Congress has taken this action.
Posted by: John | October 9, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
All is not lost, my friends. With Sarah throwing out red moose meat to the crowds we are increasing our margin in the Forrest Gump states.
Posted by: ricky | October 9, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
DOW is now at 8,816 and falling. The economy is raising the white flag of surrender on Republicans.
Posted by: doug | October 9, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Corrected post:
GEEVIL provides a counter-factual definition of ‘Supply Side Economics’.
SUPPLY SIDE ECONOMICS is when you favor the wealthy with the lowest possible tax burden and they, through their magnificence, help the middle class by spending more money at the golf course or buying a Rolls Royce.
Or by sending our jobs overseas, as per the University of Chicago school of economics
Posted by: John | October 9, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Jinny I disagree most assuredly, my friend when you write “McCain would have been there but he thought some one said loony bin.” McCain is not afraid of the loony bin or Bin Loony. He knows where Bin Looney is and how to get him, my friends. He just will not telepgraph Bin Looney and warn him. Instead he will call on his Blackberry since he invented it.
Posted by: ricky | October 9, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
“Poor folks do better when? When the middle class does well.”
That’s right Joe. because you liberals take our income.
Posted by: geevill | October 9, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
“Up is down with right wingers.”
So the next time you order a chicken and the server asks which sides you want with that, tell them left and bottom. Left wingers order right and top. Some just want a drum stick. Others, a thigh.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
All these name calling radical conservatives….. TAKE A LOOK AT THE POLLS.
It’s an Obama landslide.
Posted by: Vanessa | October 9, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
You know that riot threat was used even when BO was running against Hillary. Sounds to me as if the BO camp is worried.
I noticed also that Zogby has said to ignore the current polls claiming BO will win by a landslide.
I believe that the McCain/Palin ticket will win — because I don’t think BO & cronies can continue to suppress the facts.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 9, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Len, I admit leaving the debate for a minute to cry over my falling 401K. Was that one of the jokes McCain told that nobody got?
Posted by: ricky | October 9, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Lilly,
The RICO fantasy is as fraudulent as the Obama ordered by judge to turn over his birth certificate fantasy.
It only exists in right wing sewers.
Meanwhile in the real world, Obama is kicking McCain’s butt in every sense of the election.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
SARAH PALIN = LAUGHINGSTOCK
JOHN McCAIN = LAUGHINGSTOCK
McCAIN/PALIN = FAIL
Posted by: Ed from MA | October 9, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Zogby? Zogby? Anyone check the Homeland Security watch list? Michelle Malkin and Horowitz OK with citing Zogby?
Posted by: ricky | October 9, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
From the Black Conservative Republican Caucus:
Barack Obama speaks of economic justic. “Economic justice” simply means punishing the successful and resdistributing their wealth by government fiat. It’s a euphemism for socialism.
In his latest memoir he shares that he’d like to “recast” the welfare net that FDR and LJB cast, while rolling back what he derisively calls the “winner-take-all” market economy that Ronald Reagan reignited (with record gains in living standards for all).
As a Nairobi bureaucrat, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., a Harvard-educated economist, grew to challenge the ruling pro-Western government for not being socialist enough. In an eight-page scholarly paper published in 1965, he argued for eliminating private farming and nationalizing businesses “owned by Asians and Europeans.”
His ideas for communist-style expropriation didn’t stop there. He also proposed massive taxes on the rich to “redistribute our economic gains to the benefit of all.”
“Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed,” Obama Sr. wrote.
“I do not see why the government cannot tax those who have more and syphon some of these revenues into savings which can be utilized in investment for future development.”
Throughout his career, Barack Obama has worked closely with a network of stone-cold socialists and full-blown communists striving
Yet a recent AP poll found that only 6% of Americans would describe Obama as “liberal,” let alone socialist.
Public opinion polls usually reflect media opinion, and the media by and large have portrayed Obama as a moderate “outsider” (the No. 1 term survey respondents associate him with) who will bring a “breath of fresh air” to Washington.
The few who have drilled down on his radical roots have tended to downplay or pooh-pooh them. Even skeptics have failed to connect the dots for fear of being called the dreaded “r” word.
But too much is at stake in this election to continue mincing words.
Both a historic banking crisis and 1970s-style stagflation loom over the economy. ‘
Democrats, who already control Congress, now threaten to filibuster-proof the Senate in what could be a watershed election for them — at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue.
A perfect storm of statism is forming, and our economic freedoms are at serious risk.
Those who care less about looking politically correct than preserving the free-market individualism that’s made this country great have to start calling things by their proper name to avert long-term disaster.
Posted by: Proud Black Repub | October 9, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
HUD: Five Million Fraudulent Mortgages Held by Illegals
One illegal alien was arrested this year in Tucson after allegedly using a stolen social security number to buy two homes and rack up over $780,000 in bad debt.
Some five million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens, according to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.
It’s not known how many of those have contributed to the subprime housing mortgage meltdown, but it has affected every state, including Arizona.
The problem began years ago when banks were forced to give mortgages without confirming social security numbers or borrower identification. As a result, illegal immigrants were able to obtain home mortgages which they could not afford.
One illegal alien was arrested this year in Tucson after allegedly using a stolen social security number to buy two homes and rack up over $780,000 in bad debt.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 9, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
“Wealthy people do well when? When the middle class does well.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | October 9, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
To Richard Cranium: Biden finished near the bottom of both his law and college classes — and he cheated in law school. Obama has never released any of his transcripts. ??? How did he get into Harvard?
Speaking of college — Lincoln, Washington, Truman, and Grover Cleveland, four of our greatest, never went — and Truman was most definitely from the modern era.
And among the lowest ranked — the worst, George W. Bush, attended Phillips Academy, Yale University, and has an MBA from Harvard. James Buchanan (ranked 40th), graduated from Dickinson College with honors, then studied law. Franklin Pierce (38th) finished third at Bowdoin, then attended law school. John Tyler (35th) graduated from prestigious Wm. & Mary, then read for the law. Jimmy Carter (34th) attended Georgia Tech and got a Naval Academy physics degree in 1946. Carter finished 59th out of his Academy class of 820. Richard Nixon (32nd) was a Duke Law School graduate. Hoover (31st) had a geology degree from Stanford, later becoming a mining engineer. Gerald Ford (28th) had a University of Michigan degree in political science and economics; at Yale Law he graduated in the top 25 percent of his class.
As Mark Twain said – “Never let formal education get in the way of your learning.”
Posted by: katmandu | October 9, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
“From the Black Conservative Republican Caucus”
Everyone wave to Alan Keyes and his caucus of one.
Posted by: Ryan c | October 9, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
“Len, I admit leaving the debate for a minute to cry over my falling 401K.”
Well, if you spent $4000 on Shearson Lehman stock, you now have about $400. If you spent $400 on a keg of beer, you now have a $401 returnable.
In Chicago, they call that the 401keg plan.
And you get to drink the beer.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
“You know that riot threat was used even when BO was running against Hillary.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | October 9, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Bernadine Dorhn:
I am glad she is brought up in McCain’s ad.
Everyone concentrates on William Ayers.
Michelle Obama worked with Bernadine Dorhn and so did Obama.
Everyone underestimates a woman’s violence and rage.
Bernadine Dorhn was far more violent; she was more of a leader; and she was and is way smarter than Bill Ayers.
Bernadine Dorhn physically placed the bomb in the US Capitol. Bernadine Dorhn sang a SONG about how she paralyzed a man for life after a bombing.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 9, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude at Harvard.
McCain finished 894 out of 899 at the Naval Academy.
But apparently McCain knows how to do things or so he says.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
In Huffington Post article today,Robert Kennedy Jr. refers to the fact that the media has spent time analyzing Obama’s ties to Ayers yet they have not done so on Mr. Palins ties to the seccessionist party in Alaska. As he says”So when Palin accuses Barack of “not seeing the same America as you and me,” maybe she is referring to an America without Alaska. In any case, isn’t it time the media start giving equal time to Palin’s buddy list of anti-American bombers and other radical associates?
I know the media has made mention of Palins ties to the secessionist party in Alaska but nothing to the degree they have investigated and reported on Obamas ties to Ayers…why is that??
Posted by: Dee | October 9, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
“Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude at Harvard.
McCain finished 894 out of 899 at the Naval Academy.”
Businesses run by Harvard graduates are failing all across America and laying off employees.
The US Navy has never failed or laid off an employee. Some have died on the job.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
“One questioner begged McCain to get tougher with Obama in their final debate.
“I am begging you sir, begging you, take it to him,” the man said.
“Yes, I’ll do that,” McCain replied.
McCain made similar comments before Tuesday night’s debate, which didn’t result in any noteworthy confrontations between the two candidates.”
John McCain still making promises he won’t keep.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
The answer will not be known until after 4 years. Winning the election may be meaningless to the voters, though very meaningful to the politician(s).
Posted by: Ted | October 9, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
The 4th most senior senator probably refers to time in the senate and not age.
Posted by: Deven K | October 9, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Cindy McCain Tues
“The days of Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill are what we need to look to: a divided government but a government that needs to agree to disagree,” Cindy McCain told reporters after visiting children at a Nashville hospital and prior to the presidential debate. “We’re now seeing polarizing factions, people politicizing things that should be about what’s best for America. Instead, they’re doing what’s best for themselves.”
Agree to disagree, the sounds quite admirable.
Cindy McCain on Wed
“The day that Sen Obama decided to cast a vote to not fund my son when he was serving sent a cold chill through my body,” she said. “I would suggest that Sen Obama change shoes with me for just one day and see what it means… to have a loved one serving in the armed forces and more importantly, serving in harm’s way.”
No mention on McCain’s vote against troop funding a few months later.
It appears McCain’s wife is as big a fraud as he is.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
zOMG! Enough with the “Blue Hen” already! You’re making me nuts with that. Unless you’re going to start calling John McCain a “Cactus Wren”, Barack Obama a “Cardinal” or Sarah Palin a “Willow Ptarmigan”, give it a rest already. I know you’re cracking yourself up, but…sheesh. It’s exhausting.
Posted by: jamois | October 9, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
And has Biden’s opponent, Gov. Palin, given a single press conference yet? Still waiting…
Posted by: Reality-based | October 9, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
“John McCain still making promises he won’t keep.”
It wasn’t the final debate. Obama is making promises he can’t keep.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
“It wasn’t the final debate”
Who said it was.
McCain promised he would get tough On Obama before the 2nd debate.
He didn’t.
He now promises again he will get tough on Obama in the 3rd debate.
My comment: “John McCain still making promises he won’t keep”
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Reading Bill Ayers’ book, “A Kind and Just Parent.” Reads the same as Obama’s books.
Posted by: Colonel Reb | October 9, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Whatever happened to the WORKING class American? We’re not poor, we’re not middle income (don’t own a small business, not in a profession), but there millions of us.
Posted by: Carol Anne | October 9, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
One questioner’s take on McCain town hall debate performance:
How did I feel about Sen. McCain stating “You probably never heard of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac before this”
Well Senator, I actually did. I like to think of myself as a fairly intelligent person. I have a bachelor degree in Political Science from Tennessee State, so I try to keep myself up to date with current affairs. I have a Master degree in Legal Studies from Southern Illinois University, a few years in law school, and I am currently pursuing a Master in Public Administration from the University of Memphis. In defense of the Senator from Arizona I would say he is an older guy, and may have made an underestimation of my age. Honest mistake.
However, it could be because I am a young African-American male. Whatever the case may be it was somewhat condescending regardless of my age to make an assumption regarding whether I was knowledgeable about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac”
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Tough on a left winger? Better to bread it, deep fry it, and serve it up with mashed potatoes, gravy and fried okra. Hmmm hmmm good!
Obama is making promises he can’t keep.
Or are those registrations for virtual voters? Now we know what Taplin means when he says the knowledge generation doesn’t believe in scarcity.
Or honesty apparently.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Ryan C
That is true. Fannie May is the lender of my brothers student loans.
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Jake Tapper – can you please report on this?.?
Wachovia Corp., a once-thriving financial giant now teetering on the brink of collapse, confirmed today that it was extending an $8 million loan to the cash-strapped National Republican Congressional Committee for last-minute activites to support GOP House candidates.
Wachovia’s decision to lend money to the NRCC — itself reeling from a damaging financial scandal earlier this year — is sure to draw charges of favoritism, as Wachovia denies credit and freezes assets for thousands of other customers.
Allegations of favoritism are especially delicate for Wachovia, given the company’s disproportionate support of Republican campaigns and organizations.
Posted by: Paige | October 9, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
“I hope my grandchildren end up being rich people so I get a window with a view when they put me in the home.”
MY VERY FIRST THOUGHT WAS MCCAIN
Go Joe, very clever
Posted by: watching | October 9, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
MM,
Many people are familiar with them via their student loans.
Its just another example of McCain being condescending to every day voters.
You’ll also note that McCain could not remember anyone’s name beyond the 1st gentleman Allen (or Alan)
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Why did the Obama supporter ask such a stupid question if he is so smart?
Q. Well, Senators, through this economic crisis, most of the people that I know have had a difficult time. And through this bailout package, I was wondering what it is that’s going to actually help those people out?
They guy is as vapid as Obama. Those questions were not written by those people.
Posted by: geevill | October 9, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
len
They’re are empty promises if you don’t have a plan. Obama has a plan to get things passed. That is why he is not only running his campaign but working hard to get a filibuster proof majority. Because if you didn’t know Republicans hold the record for filibusters this congress.
McCain can’t even convince House Republicans to do what he wants, how do you think anything will change when he is office.
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
That is true. Fannie May is the lender of my brothers student loans
That is Sallie Mae. Fannie Mae would consolidate the loan.
Posted by: geevill | October 9, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Matthew Jaffe – Where do you get your information for this post? You state “The 65-year-old Delaware lawmaker, one of the least wealthy members of the Senate”
____________________________________________
Biden is ranked 99 out of 100 on the list of wealth in the Senate. Yes, he appears to be wealthier than one other Senator. Good job.
Posted by: Paige | October 9, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Paige,
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!
A LOAN TO A PARTY PAC!
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Jack you have this mocking Joe Gaffe posting with numbers. Yet you don’t have anything comparable for his counterpart Palin who
: has been called “fatal cancer” by David BRROKS.
: is the biggest idiot ever to be choosen as a VP candidate.
: Hides from question from media/people cause she woudn’t be able defend her countless lies
: Promoting hatrate among americans
:….
Jack did that wink get you like it got that reporter and made him sit up straight up…..embarassaingly
Posted by: jenny | October 9, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Matthew Jaffe – nevermind – It would help if I could post without interruption and I would have clearly seen the word LEAST in your post. my apologies.
Posted by: Paige | October 9, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
geevill
Nobody criticize the questions. The moderator, the format maybe but not the questions. You just want the issue to be a non-issue. The fact of the matter is that Obama answer all those questions Palin is asking for more then a year ago.
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
“They’re are empty promises if you don’t have a plan.”
And empty fryers if you don’t have a chicken.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
“That is Sallie Mae. Fannie Mae would consolidate the loan.”
IOW people deal with Fannie Mae when their loans have been consolidated.
Speaking of loans, Paige informs us the NRCC is getting an $8M loan from failed bank Wachovia while Wachovia is stiffing other customers.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
geevill
If they consolidate it they pay the original lender along with other loans, and consolidate the debt under guess what one loan. Hence lender.
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Ryan – Article is on ROLL CALL.
Posted by: Paige | October 9, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
The right wing response to a voter being upset his question was not answered and being treated in a condescending fashion?
How dare he ask such a stupid question!
Meanwhile McCain and Palin go on Hannity for a taint licking.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
–John. No, I am not talking about McCain’s plan. I am talking about all the legislation regarding housing, mortgages and minorities sign by Clinton and Bush, then later were completely ignored by the Democrats when McCain and other called attention to the number of defaults by people who were not able to pay. The Democrats, mortgage companies, banks, risky home owners were all greedy for their own reasons. The DOW is now down $678.91 for the day, thanks to the Democrats and their lack of intelligent economic policies. Obama/Biden type policies.
GREED SHOULD BE A CRIME, NOT A VIRTUE.
Posted by: Marla | October 9, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
“Promoting hatrate among americans”
Which is bad because the falling rate of hats has been steadily decreasing since Congress repealed the law of gravity.
What was Governor Palin thinking?
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
There seems to be a strong correlation between an Obama rise in the polls and a distinct and dramatic drop in the market.
Oh That Joe might want to consider what that will do to the wealth of all the youth of our country.
Posted by: smith | October 9, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Paige,
I am in disbelief.
Country first my ***.
Anyone receiving funds from the NRCC should have this loan made loud & clear to voters.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
McCain – “Obama has voted to raise taxes 97 times”
Obama – “Using McCain’s accounting, McCain has voted to raise taxes 107 times since Obama entered the Senate and 477 times in his entire career.”
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Ads for hominy are cheaper than mashed potatoes but just as tasty. Everyone has to make sacrifices Obama says, so your prize is just a little greasy.
But it’s hard to live without wings. Ask Ryan.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
len
You have no idea what I am talking about and it shows.
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
MM,
Take is easy on len.
Today is the day he realized the election is over.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Quote from the ROLL CALL article:
The National Republican Congressional Committee, trailing its Democratic counterpart considerably in cash on hand, has secured an $8 million loan to spend on House races during the last few weeks of the campaign, according to sources.
The NRCC reported $14.4 million in cash on hand as of Aug. 31, compared to $54 million in the bank for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. As it did last cycle, the NRCC is procuring its loan from Wachovia Bank, sources confirmed.
Posted by: Paige | October 9, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
What I notice about Obama and Biden both lawyers! Never run a business, never balanced a budget! The legal system in this country has been some of the reasons are country costs are so inflated! Obama is just a more dangerous Jimmy Carter! His nickname should be “EGGO” for all the times he’s waffled! This is what lawyers do as politicians they try to come up with the opinon based on what they feel will help them in the polls not with which is best for the countries whole. Collective Socialism has never worked and if you raise taxes too high on the business owners who “employ” the workers it cuts back there ability to hire and grow as a company! Then you raise less taxes to be able to fund all those goodies he wants. Its simple economics, but most lawyers are just interested in their pocketbooks not others!
Posted by: robert | October 9, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
If someone is moved by attacks made by Palin ask him/her two questions and you’ll know what part of the electorate they are.
1) How long have you known Palin?
2) How long have you known Obama?
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Here is just part of the sting from that loan. Here is a Wachovia story from the NY Times:
Drew Greenblatt, president of Marlin Steel Wire Products, figured it would be easy to get a $300,000 bank loan to finance a new robot for his factory in Baltimore. His company, which makes parts for makers of home appliances, is growing and profitable, he said. His expansion would add three new jobs to an economy hungry for work.
But when Greenblatt called the local branch of Wachovia — the same bank that had been aggressively marketing loans to him for years — he was distressed by the response.
“The exact words were, ‘We’re saying no to almost everybody,’” Greenblatt recalled. [emphasis added]
Posted by: Paige | October 9, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
What concerns me most is that Todd Palin is so involved in Sarah Palin”s government work. Todd Palin was a member for 7 years (1995-2002) of a secessionist group, The Alaska Independence Party. Sarah Palin addressed the AIP this year 2008 where she stated: “I share your party”s vision of upholding the constitution of our great state [Alaska]. We have great promise to be a self sufficient state”.
I have concerns and questions about whether Sarah and Todd Palin put Alaska first or Country first? I think this question is important to Americans.
Posted by: Kate Lindley | October 9, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
“You have no idea what I am talking about and it shows.”
If it shows and no one knows, you can zip it up fast, I suppose.
Would you like honey for those sour grapes?
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
robert
Bush Jr. is the new Carter…. check it.
1. Obama ran Project Vote, one of the largest voting registration drives. (An executive position)
2. Theese attacks ironically focus around a executive board on a charity
3. Obama has run the largest and some considered best grassroots political campaign in history.
4. McCain hasn’t run anything outside of war.
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
“1) How long have you known Palin?”
Long enough to trust her.
“2) How long have you known Obama?”
No one knows Obama. He’s a blank slate.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
len
I can tell your part of the irrational portion of the undecided electorate.
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
I have wondered many times why I can work hard, make close to 6 figures and have only the middle of the road house, auto and no extras while minorities that live over a few streets and work at the tom thumb have a bigger house and vehicle. It was ACORN and obama that practically gave it to them. But now those sub-primes are coming back on them. I see for sale signs and yard sales over there now. And if obama gets in it will be his first priority to GIVE it back to them.
Posted by: dilligaf | October 9, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
dilligaf
Acorn and Obama have never interacted every. It is just a republican smear.
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
“Today is the day he realized the election is over.”
November 4 already? How time flies.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
“I can tell your part of the irrational portion of the undecided electorate.”
Tell the part of the portion what?
Actually, I’m on the left side of the decimal point. It’s integer.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Obama never woked with, for ACORN, spit out the vile kool-aid.
Posted by: dilligaf | October 9, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
dilligaf
It is fact that Obama work with Project Vote but he left 2 YEARS before ACORN took over Project Vote!
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Obama helped over throw the keyan government.
Posted by: dilligaf | October 9, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
I just can’t wait for the moment Obama-Socialism takes effect. Under the capitalism, people like me (no-degree, no-willingness for hard-studying for the success)have got nothing, but with Obama-Socialism we too get something nice.
Posted by: Ted | October 9, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Ted
Thanks for proving my point…
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
“0bama represented them in their Motor Voter suit.”
This is true.
“0bama also trained their in-house radicals on how to shake-down banks and force them to give loans to people who don’t qualify for them.”
This is right wing racism and lies.
A twofer!
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Acorn and Obama have never interacted every. It is just a republican smear.
Posted by: MM | Oct 9, 2008 4:58:41 PM
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So, to whom did CAC’s money go?
CAC translated Mr. Ayers’s radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with “external partners,” which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).
The records also indicate grants went to Obama’s community organizing alma mater, the Developing Communities Project, where CAC’s goal was to turn parents into activists, because the family that agitates for socialism together, stays together.
And, the results for Chicago schoolchildren?
CAC’s in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement.
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Wow. Obama was given $100M to educate children in Chicago, yet no improvement noted by their own evaluators.
I guess he just needed more money.
Posted by: Dave in lv | October 9, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Concerned in OH
You repeat everything you read. First before they got to Obama training people how to register voters they had already misleading and falsely claim that ACORN was running Project Vote at the time of Obama managing the program. They miss the mark for about 2 years. And Obama being a Civil Lawyer often dealt with voter cases of many organizations including churches and non-profit organizations.
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
Dave in lv
CAC was founded by a Republican, and there were both Republicans and democrats on the board.
Pretty scary, huh?
Posted by: jock59801 | October 9, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
“Well he was a member of the New Party…”
Aaahhh yes the right wing is hoping a listing in a newsletter is the proof they are looking for in their never ending quest after secret commies!
3 months ago, the right wing story was Obama sought their endorsement, now he’s a member.
Reminds me of the primaries when the DLC listed Obama as one of them when in fact he was not a member.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Dave in lv
When are you gonna blame the Republican who set up the “CAC” for education Reform for given the money to ACORN…. That’s right Reagen must be a terrorist because his adviser asked “terrorist” Ayers to sit on a charity board. Guilt by Association = Circular Talk Express.
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
“CAC was founded by a Republican, and there were both Republicans and democrats on the board.”
All funded by the Annenberg Foundation started by FOR (Friend of Reagan) Walter Annenberg.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
This Ayers smear is so blatantly false that anyone with a butter knife can cut through it (a lot like Palin’s maverick status).
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
“CAC’s in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement.”
Actually the study was not in house but by a coordinated group of Univ of Chi researchers and educators in Chi.
They found the CAC had mixed results.
The lesson as always, right wingers lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
So does any Republican or right winger (yes there is a distinction) want to tell me what makes Palin the foremost expert on energy issues in the nation as McCain called her last night?
Posted by: Ryan c | October 9, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Walter Annenberg’s wife has endorsed McCain. Since Obama met Ayers working with that foundation, isn’t McCain palling around with a terrorist too?
Posted by: Paige | October 9, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Guilt by Association will never work becuase everybody can be traced back to some one else via 6 degrees of seperation.
Obama -> Ayers -> Annenberg -> Reagan -> Republicnas -> McCain/Palin
Guilt by Association = Circular Talk Express
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
“All funded by the Annenberg Foundation started by FOR (Friend of Reagan) Walter Annenberg”
Right. Except Annenberg had no control over where the money went. Ayers applied for the grant and hired Obama.
The spooky thing is that if you follow the Annenberg money around, you will keep finding radicals. Some good was done with it particularly on PBS, but otherwise, there are some profoundly strange people tied to that name in various universities and non-profit organizations.
It appears Walter Annenberg had the best of intentions but didn’t see how his money would be hijacked for purposes he never intended.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
len
Way to cover for the home team. Obama didn’t know how Ayers would spend the money either
Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
So len,
Is it your contention that Walter Annenberg had no control of his foundation while he was Founder, President and Chairman of it?
ROFLMAO
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Is there something controversial here, that I missed? “When the middle class fails, America fails.” Sounds about right to me. I bet Warren Buffett would agree with it too.
But if anybody wants to talk radicals – let’s get right back to it. :et’s talk about Joe Volger – who started the Alaskan Independence Party – which Todd Palin belonged to and Sarah Palin welcomed to her town – Joe Volger was a man who stated that he hated the United States fiercely and would fight against them with violence if the ever came after him. This isn’t just radical – this is treason -and Todd Palin didn’t serve on a board with him – he joined his party as a card-carrying member. How about the felon Gordon Liddy? He’s raised money for John McCain, McCain considers him a good friend, he held a fundrasier for McCain at his house in 1998, and Liddy told the Branch Davidians that they should shoot government agents in the head because that would be more effective. He never expressed any remorse for his advocacy of domestic terrorism – and John McCain wasn’t 9 at the time of th fundraiser – he was 62. The McPalins have much closer associations to domestic terrorists than Obama ever dreamed of and the Moonie Charlie Black was nuts to even open the discussion. Anybody ready to talk about drug abuse? Convict fathers with fortunes that fund political candidates? Keating 5? WHo in the world told McCain that his chances would be better if he went dirty? His wife stole drugs from a clinic!
Posted by: mara | October 9, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Is that what the talking points said today Concerned?
At least another rgith winger lied and stated he read both books and they sounded remarkably similar.
You weren’t even that creative!
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Some say that McCain served in the same Senate as Obama. Pretty suspicious.
Posted by: hunt | October 9, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
“If we keep talking about the economic crisis, we’re going to lose.” McCain strategist to NY Daily News on 10/05/08
Dow fell sharply again today…General Motors shares are at their lowest point since the 1950′s.
Does that have anything to do with why so many of the comments on this site slime Obama rather than address whatever point Jake’s talking about?
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 9, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Sure it is.
When they offer outrageous rumor based on bs and innuendo that is beneficial to the right wing.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
You are all quoting the wingnut on Fux and he is quoting the wingnut Martin. Martin certainy has a sordid and colorful history, but he’s not someone that anyone with common sense would believe. He referred to a federal judge as a “crooked, slimy Jew, who has a history of lying and thieving common to members of his race.” When he ran for office in the 80s he said that one of his intents was to “exterminate Jew power in America.” He has said that he understand how the holcaust took place and is not sorry that it did. So who is the source for the political meme that Obama has been a domestic terrorist? Martin. And who did Fux News interview for an hour? Martin. And who are you quoting with all of this vicious misinformation? A man who believes the Holocaust should have occurred. You must be very proud.
Posted by: mara | October 9, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
“CAC was founded by a Republican, and there were both Republicans and democrats on the board.”
All funded by the Annenberg Foundation started by FOR (Friend of Reagan) Walter Annenberg.
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 9, 2008 5:14:14 PM
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CAC was set up by Ayers and a few others, not a Rep.
Who was Chairman of the Board and ran it? Obama
It appears Obama and Ayers were given over $100M by the Annenberg Foundation FOR THE EDUCATION OF CHILDREN.
It appears Obama and Ayers took the money and were completely ineffective in accomplishing anything other than the enrichment of Obama, Ayers and ACORN.
To this day, public documents are being withheld by Obama and his friends making it almost impossible to trace where the money went and how it was spent.
Obama’s answer about his relationship with Ayers? Oh, just some guy in the neighborhood. Nothing more.
Just another Obama deception.So what else is new?
Posted by: Dave in lv | October 9, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
@ryan: Not once the grant is funded. The record of what Ayers and Obama used the money for is well-documented and scurilous. Radicalizing kids is creepy. Even here in the South where the right wing tries that crap, my daughter told her history teacher to stuff it and walked out. Also, the money was wasted according to the studies because it did not improve education.
Meanwhile the South Chicago rental units Obama obtained funding for and passed out to Tony Rezko keep falling down around the ears of the renters.
You know, Ryan, as a black man studying for a Public Administration job, I would think that would bother you, but maybe I’m just profiling. Funny, but it bothers me. Maybe it’s because I grew up in a black neighborhood and saw first hand what happens when black politicians take advantage of their own.
@concerned: There is no proof Ayers wrote the book, just a disturbing similarity in style to his works and speech patterns. There is zero similarity to Obama’s style and speech patterns. Ghost writers are common in political books and the case is made that Obama doesn’t have a writing style developed enough to do that work that fast. Ayers does. Something is fishy about it but since the publisher won’t answer questions, it won’t be known for awhile.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
The Fed Chairman Greenspan’s action during Clinton era, specifically 1997-2000-millennium, was the VERY ORIGIN of the current crisis. He kept TOO-LOW Fed Fund Interest Rate (1%) TOO-LONG. This low-rate ignited the frenzy home-purchases by many “unqualified buyers” which consequently induced the many fraudulent activities by home loan lenders and investment bankers. The hidden-danger was just waiting for the moment of burst for many years, and finally the burst-out took place in July-2007 as whole situation became “no-longer sustainable”…….Greenspan’s action in the aforementioned specific period (not all of his works) is the one you should blame on.
Posted by: Ted | October 9, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
“@ryan: Not once the grant is funded.”
Of course he doesn’t have day to day oversight once the grant is made.
You implied Annenberg had nothing to do with Ayers getting the money.
That was not true.
“You know, Ryan, as a black man studying for a Public Administration job, I would think that would bother you, but maybe I’m just profiling”
Well as a white man who studied PoliSci 10 years ago, slum lords do bother me.
What also bothers me is pointing out the petty crimes while the big ones go unchallenged.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Jake, what about the video that both Ben and Jonathan posted in their Politico blog, portraying the “McCain-Palin mob”.
It’s incredibly shocking, IMO. If these people represent blue collar conservative America, then it’s no different here than in some European countries.
Just as shocking is the proven fact that McCain and Palin simply do not denounce or correct what these folks are saying and shouting to the Republican candidates. Theyre only making the mob more angry and more dangerous with their coded racist insinuations and their dark fantasy tales about terrorist ties.
Such developments in times of great economic crisis: they remind strongly of Germany in the 1930′s. It’s very scary, very alarming, and I’m shocked as well that journalists do not pay more attention to this rising phenomenon that is such a serious threat to the republican stability and democratic concensus in America.
When I saw that video where McCain-Palin supporters speak out on Senator Obama, I felt that fascism now truly has come to this country, carrying Palin’s cross and wrapped in McCain’s American flag.
Their supporters in that video should scare the hell out of every good and honest American.
Posted by: mandelbrot | October 9, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Gerry Adams is Irish
Gerry Adams is a terrorist
John Mcain is Irish
John McCain is a terrorist
right?
Posted by: John Sidney McFascist | October 9, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
“CAC was set up by Ayers and a few others, not a Rep.”
CAC stands for Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
It was created by 3 people, one of whom is Bill Ayers.
“Who was Chairman of the Board and ran it? Obama”
Obama was elected by the board of directors to serve as chairman and did so from 1995 to 1999.
“It appears Obama and Ayers were given over $100M by the Annenberg Foundation FOR THE EDUCATION OF CHILDREN.”
Yes the Annenberg foundation is a philanthropic outfit set up to fund education initiatives.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
“Well as a white man who studied PoliSci 10 years ago, slum lords do bother me.”
My mistake. I didn’t see the quotes around your earlier reply discussing advanced degrees of the questioner. Presbyopia sucks.
“What also bothers me is pointing out the petty crimes while the big ones go unchallenged.”
I’d say to the people living in those slums Obama was responsible for ensuring were repaired, freezing isn’t a petty crime. Murder isn’t a petty crime. Leaving people you are charged with representing so you can pursue a Presidential run instead of doing your job as a Senator? Not a crime but not exactly good resume fodder.
Ryan, Obama is a self-obsessed man with a head full of racial demons and a tendancy to lie about everything inconvenient to his own ambition. I understand supporting the party, but when the party is wrong, we vote our values first. That’s the way to keep the country first.
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
didn’t the REPUBLICAN Governor of South Carolina recently invite Wm. Ayers to speak about educational initiatives?
isn’t Lindsay Graham a REPUBLICAN Senator from South Carolina?
therefore, isn’t Lindsay Graham is an unrepentant, and in-the-closet, domestic terrorist from South Carolina?
and isn’t John Sidney Magoo a freaking drama queen?
Posted by: George W. McLiar | October 9, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
And… how does voting for McCain put “our” values first?
Because Obama is a typical Democrat in many ways… we should vote for a horrifically inept Republican with an extremist running mate?
Are you watching the stock market? And you want to punish Obama for having coffee at some old hippie’s house? And you want me to vote for a guy who pals around with Bush?
Posted by: Blip | October 9, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
“we vote our values first. That’s the way to keep the country first.”
So what about McCain embodies your values, len?
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
That’s just it… the Ayers thing has been debunked months ago.
I go and drink beer once a month with the son of a radical right wing politician. I even talk politics with the guy. We buy each other beers.
It doesn’t mean that I am a right wing politician… or that I support what this guy says.
Posted by: Blip | October 9, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
But if you listen to McCain-Palin… I am the guy to vote for… right? Because I had a beer with a rightwinger.
Posted by: Blip | October 9, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
I think when they say “values”… they really mean… “Our right to stay in power without being held accountable to the standards that we create, the standards of common sense or decency, or any standards for that matter.”
Posted by: Blip | October 9, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
Blip – I love you. Ayers is indeed a Distinguished Scholar at USC – a state unversity which Sanford oversees. But if you want to look closer at Mark Sanford and his lovely wife – look to Wall Street. They both made millions – managing the very funds that brought down the American economy.
If you want to play guilt by association – you better bring in the Annenbergs, too.
Posted by: mara | October 9, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
It appears Walter Annenberg had the best of intentions but didn’t see how his money would be hijacked for purposes he never intended.
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Kind of like when you serve on that foundation with the best intentions for education reform and get linked to a guy who also served on that board that was a 60′s domestic terrorist. I’m sure Obama never thought his dedication to education reform would be hijacked by neo-cons to win an election via pure sleaze.
Posted by: Paige | October 9, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
John McCain lied the American people and smeared Navy Vets by claiming his “Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran” singing performance was a private joke when in fact it was done in front of a crowd at a fundraiser.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
“Kind of like when you serve on that foundation with the best intentions for education reform and get linked to a guy who also served on that board that was a 60′s domestic terrorist. I’m sure Obama never thought his dedication to education reform would be hijacked by neo-cons to win an election via pure sleaze.”
Paige shoots & scores Robert Gibbs Style!
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
They found the CAC had mixed results.
The lesson as always, right wingers lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 9, 2008 5:17:14 PM
The results of an August 2003 final technical report of the Chicago Annenberg Research Project by the Consortium on Chicago School Research “suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence.”[58]
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It appears Obamabots lie as well.
Posted by: Dave in lv | October 9, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
what ever… obama is the liar one.
poll shows obama ahead 10%… hmmm.. i bet is something to do with ACORN
Posted by: siti nurbaya | October 9, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Dave in liv,
When using wiki it helps if you go to the original source.
A brief narrative description of the journal article, document, or resource. This study examined whether the Chicago Annenberg Challenge promoted improvement in schools it supported and in student achievement and other outcomes; factors that might explain improvement or lack thereof among Annenberg schools; and what could be learned from the Challenge’s experiences. It highlighted the period between 1996-1997 through 2000-2001. Results suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence. The study also examined trends in school improvement among a small group of “Breakthrough Schools,” which received special financial and professional support from the Challenge between 1990-2001, a time during which the Challenge began withdrawing funds from the other Annenberg schools. Overall, Breakthrough schools began to develop in ways that distinguished them from other Annenberg schools and sustained or strengthened aspects of teacher professional community, school leadership, and relational trust while other Annenberg schools did not. Factors distinguishing strong and weak schools included cultivation of strong, distributive leadership and use of an array of complementary, reinforcing strategies.
Like I said, mixed results.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
It appears Obama lied to the American people when he said he was from a family so poor they needed food stamps to get by.
The fact his mother was going to grad school, gaming the system for food stamps and were supported by wealthy grandparents during that time.
He should be ashamed for the con he is pulling.
Posted by: Dave in lv | October 9, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Dave in lv,
While I know its shocking to have an outright lie by your hero shown before you, there’s no need to make stuff up.
Posted by: Ryan c | October 9, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Like I said, mixed results.
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 9, 2008 6:20:51 PM
Wasn’t the money intended to improve better STUDENT performance?
All of your “positives” that you mentioned are nebulous, unquantifiable attributes to teachers, programs and schools, yet STUDENT performance from all quantifiable measures was zip.
Anyone who receives a large amount of money is going to say SOMETHING positive. However, if you are objective, you have to agree with the results having no impact upon student performance.
Posted by: Dave in lv | October 9, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
When using wiki it helps if you go to the original source.
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 9, 2008 6:20:51 PM
Some of the sources for Wikipedia include:
Algebra Plan Adds Politics to the Teaching Equation
Schools Are Pawns In a Political Game
Minutes, Budget Bare School Council’s Political Agenda
It appears Chicago was successful in adding a left wing political agenda throughout its school curriculum.
Still can’t read or write but they sure know who to vote for.
Posted by: Dave in lv | October 9, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
When the Democrats win, America loses.
Posted by: Zank | October 9, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
“Are you watching the stock market?”
Not closely. It keeps falling without any help from me. They are very nervous about something. The stock market is watching the campaign and keeps falling as Obama’s electoral count inches up. I think it is voting with its feet on an Obama presidency.
As for having coffee with an old hippie, my wife does that every morning. But you see, some of us believed in civil rights and peace. Others believed they could bomb the US into submission because their rich upper class parents wouldn’t listen to them any other way. The rest of us moved on with our lives, raised a family and became contributors.
Ayers? He became an educator so he could carry on with the cause, no regrets, no apologies. You have to give him credit for consistency.
Obama experienced none of that. He sought it out. He looked for the radicals. And he found them. And then he lied about it to the American public.
Obama lied about his association with Ayers. He lied about his church and his pastor. If there was no fire, why all the smoke from his campaign? Why all the obstruction of the CAC records and his Harvard records?
Why does Obama cheat to win?
Posted by: len | October 9, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Here’s some food for thought, folks.
Our national debt broke $10 trillion on September 30. Nobody paid any attention.
10 trillion? How much is that anyway?
Well, our country has not existed for a trillion seconds.
Western civilization has not been around a trillion seconds.
One trillion seconds ago – 31,688 years – Neanderthals stalked the plains of Europe.
Our national debt today is (already a lot) more than 10,000,000,000,000 dollars.
OK. Sounds like a Total Disaster.
Now check what it was when the Republicans took over America in 2000.
Posted by: weezer | October 9, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Biden needs to learn to shut his mouth. We can call him the mouth of the south. Real southerners get real offended when we are talked down to by someone who goes out of their way to say Y’all. Is he on crack? Someone might want to tell the idiot that Florida that people come to Florida to retire. Not all are the stupid country people you feel you need to talk down to. Y’all can go back home now Joe!
Posted by: ubu1991 | October 9, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
The Annenberg Foundation, a charitable family trust, was created on July 1, 1989 by media magnate and former Ambassador to the Court of St. James’s Walter H. Annenberg.
Currently, The Foundation has a priority on granting funds for reform of elementary and secondary public school systems. The Foundation oversaw the funding of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
The current president, chairman and sole director of the Foundation is Leonore Annenberg, widow of Ambassador Annenberg, and a former United States Chief of Protocol.
It was Walter Annenberg who introduced President Reagan to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, and the Reagans often celebrated New Year’s Eve with the Annenbergs.
Leonore Annenberg was named by President Ronald Reagan as the State Department’s Chief of Protocol.
Posted by: Annenberg | October 9, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
The last Democrat in the White House, President Bill Clinton, managed to balance the federal budget. In May 2000, the President announced that the United States would pay off $216 billion in debt thas year, bringing to $355 billion the amount of the nation’s debt paid down in the three years since the Clinton administration balanced the budget and began running surpluses.
And then the Republicans took over the helm, with George W. Bush as President. John McCain has been the cheerleader of 8 eight years of Bush budgets.
This Republican administration has been able, in eight years time, to DOUBLE our nation’s national debt.
What it means: 8 years of a Republican economic policy has cost our country (= the American tax payers) some 5,000,000,000,000 dollars.
Please try to think about such hard facts and numbers this before you’ll vote in November.
Posted by: keaton | October 9, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
In 2006 was the deficit or national debt the Dem rallying point?
No, the talking point was we shouldn’t have ONE party control both Congress as well as the White House. Why, many said it was downright unconstitutional to have one party control 2 branches of government.
We NEED to have CHECKS and BALANCES to have our country work well. We CAN’T have the same party run both branches.
Why THEN they would be able to stack the Supreme Court and control ALL THREE branches of government!!!!
Have you heard any Dems continue with this logic the last two years?
It was SO very important to them the last election.
Posted by: Dave in lv | October 9, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
“In 2006 was the deficit or national debt the Dem rallying point?
No, the talking point was we shouldn’t have ONE party control both Congress as well as the White House.”
Dave in lv makes up history to support the new GOP talking point that having the same party in control is suddenly dangerous when its no the Republican party. Ironically of course pointing to how much they screwed up this country as an example of why 1 party rule is bad.
The talking point or more appropriately the meta-meme of 2006 was change & corruption. Not checks and balances.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
Sorry I think he is rich he has great health care a big house travels the world and dam good pay I’m paying him more than I ever made he can get a room with a view he gets his full pay after he retiers the rest of us don’t get a dam thing maybe our ss if were lucky.
Posted by: Bishop | October 9, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
I can’t believe people are still talking about Ayres and Annenberg. The McCain campaign already came out saying that they don’t care about Ayres, but were just playing their supporters for rubes.
You know its one thing to be played, but its entirely another to get played and told to your face that you are getting played and still stick around for it.
“Thank you Mr. McCain, may I please have another”.
Gawd how pitiful.
Posted by: Mike | October 9, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
Ryan,
Deleware is weird. I went to Rutgers and I never, ever, hear anyone referred to as “Scarlet Knight” except the athletes.
Posted by: Mike | October 9, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
The talking point or more appropriately the meta-meme of 2006 was change & corruption. Not checks and balances.
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 9, 2008 8:11:19
Actually Ryan it was both plus a few other themes as well like ending the funding of the Iraq war. I’m not sure if your selective memory is because you don’t remember, you weren’t aware because of your young age or you just spout the Dem party line.
As for my support of a new GOP talking point, I didn’t even know there was one re: this issue.
Posted by: Dave in lv | October 9, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
The last Democrat in the White House, President Bill Clinton, managed to balance the federal budget. In May 2000, the President announced that the United States would pay off $216 billion in debt thas year, bringing to $355 billion the amount of the nation’s debt paid down in the three years since the Clinton administration balanced the budget and began running surpluses.
Posted by: keaton | Oct 9, 2008 7:28:53 PM
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Unfortunately Clinton’s last budget, fy 2001, ended with a $32B budget deficit instead of an expected surplus due to the popping of the dot.com bubble and an 8 month recession.
One thing to remember. Was the main criticism of Bush’s budget was he was spending too much or too little?
In every case, in every year, the Dems requested much, much more to be spent, not less. If Bush had followed the Dem recommendations the current debt would be a whole lot higher.
With Obama actually saying he will fund his programs with actual spending cuts,
other than the Defense budget, have you ever heard any Dem request either a spending freeze or, horror of all horrors, an actual spending cut?
But then again Dems have always given strong support for our military.
Posted by: Dave in lv | October 9, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Why does Biden always lie? It’s chronic really. Why try to paint yourself as the oldest guy in the Senate and you’re not, or talk about resturants that aren’t there, or Presidents that weren’t in office during the depression on TV when TV wasn’t invented….Biden has made more gaffes than either McCain or Palin, but press usually ignores it.
Posted by: Hope, Change, Hate, Nobama '08 | October 9, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
Biden has a 4 million dollar compound in delaware he got from the credit card industry.
Biden is the senator from MBNA.
Biden’s son is a multi millionaire lobbyist.
Who is biden kidding his compound which he got a sweet heart deal on from the executives at the company that hired his son.
Biden has a lot of money. So his 4 million dollar compound is not enough to retire on.
Biden is saying he needs his rich grandkids to get him a view.
So without his rich grandkids he couldn’t be put in a home.
Isn’t the media great they have made Biden who has a 4 million dollar compound out to be a middle class joe.
Posted by: Dan | October 10, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am
Biden has taken more money from credit card company MBNA than anyone.
Biden got a sweetheart deal on his 4 million compound for less than half price and they hired his son as a lobbyist making millions.
The media doesn’t highlight this.
Posted by: Dan | October 10, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am
“Biden got a sweetheart deal on his 4 million compound for less than half price and they hired his son as a lobbyist making millions. The media doesn’t highlight this.”
Wanna know why the media doesn’t highlight this Dan? Because it’s not true, that’s why.
Posted by: sharon | October 10, 2008, 6:40 am 6:40 am
When the middle class fails …. it will be at his and Comrade Obamas’ hands! With all the talk about McCains age coming from the left stage, what happens when Biden goes off the deep end talking to a World leader and Demencia slips to the front? WW3? I hope his grand kids steal him blind and put him in a shopping cart. This way he can say he has a mobile home!! God love ‘em!!
Posted by: commrat72 | October 10, 2008, 7:35 am 7:35 am
Sharon and Dan,
So what are we supposed to do with that information?
Of what relevance are those idle allegations to a hurting economy and a hurting People.
Posted by: Dare Nigeria | October 10, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am