Oct 26, 2008 8:06am

Divided Gov’t and McCain’s Closing Case

One of John McCain’s closing arguments – as reported by George Stephanopoulos last week – has some resonance among swing-voting independents: resistance to Democratic control of the presidency and Congress alike.

Likely voters overall favor Democratic control of Congress by 8 points, and half in principle support single-party control of both branches. But that masks sharp partisan differences, with independents tilted slightly toward McCain’s view.

Independents by 45-37 percent in the latest ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll say they’d rather see the Republicans than the Democrats win control of Congress. And by 43-34 percent they're a bit more apt to say divided government is the better way to go.

In addition to independents it’s possible McCain’s argument could hold some appeal to movable voters, who likewise are less rooted in partisanship.

In October 2006, more likely voters – 58 percent overall, including 58 percent of independents – preferred to see the Democrats control Congress, which was the outcome of that election, driven by frustration with the war in Iraq.

Preference for control of Congress         In 2008      In 2006       Dem   Rep    Dem   RepAll    50%   42     58%   38Dems   94     3     96     3Inds   37    45     58    32Reps   10    86     11    87

There’s a sharp gender gap today; women by 56-36 percent prefer Democratic control of Congress while men by 50-43 percent would like to see it go to the Republicans. Whites split evenly; blacks, the Democratic Party’s single most loyal group, almost unanimously favor its continued control.

On the question of whether divided or single-party control is better in general, 50 percent overall side with single-party control – Democrats most, independents least. Thirty percent favor divided government – independents and Republicans most. And 14 percent have no preference either way.

Preference for Congress/presidency        Same   Different  No diff.All     50%      30        14Dems    63       13        16  Inds    34       43        17 Reps    49       37         8

User Comments

McCain has given absolutely NO argument on why anybody should vote FOR him. All it is is just bashing Obama.

Posted by: Joseph | October 26, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am

Joseph,
McCain has gotten pretty pathetic. Can’t win on his own merit so he bashes Obama with lies.

Posted by: Jwench | October 26, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am

Zogby’s daily tracking within 3. Start folding the drapes

Posted by: vs | October 26, 2008, 8:42 am 8:42 am

VS,
Zogby is a charleton and everybody knows it.

Posted by: Joseph | October 26, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am

We can see how “divided government” has worked the past two years. Everything the democrats attempted to accomplish was overcome first by the republicans filibustering and second by Bush’s vetos. Yeah, worked real well.

Posted by: counting crows | October 26, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am

Well, well, well….. this dirty business with Sarah Palin just keeps getting better and better all the time. But certainly it comes as no surprise of just how much has no business making decisions about ANYTHING!! I honestly doubt that she would qualify as a parking meter attendant.
It seems that Sarah Palin is not only “one of the good old boys”, but she reeks of it! What an obscene joke that John McCain and the Republican Party/GOP has touted her as “taking on these good old boys network”. I actually think that she is much worse than this GOB’s network, because at the same time, she is UNBELIEVABLY AND SUPERBLY IGNORANT!
In MY opinion, the only difference between Sarah Palin and this “good old boys” network is that she wears “VERY” EXPENSIVE DRESSES and ACCESSORIES, AND SPORTS “VERY” EXPENSIVE DO’S AND LIPSTICK!!!
Let this be a lesson on just how much not only INTELLIGENCE, COMMON SENSE AND EDUCATON are required when placed in positions of authority, but INTEGRITY is required as well…… otherwise, innocent people stand to pay for that ignorance.
No doubt, Sarah Palin never bothered to “really” understand the bidding process and conflicts of interest or lucrative contracts, just as she has never bothered reading the US Constitution. I guess that she was working on “instinct”.
What is the next episode of “As The World of Sarah Palin Turns?”
Go read the AP press report just released about her dealings on the bidding for the pipeline.

Posted by: CW | October 26, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am

McBush and his unqualified Barbie doll are imploding based on thier choices and poor leadership style and reputation. They continue to follow the script of the republican political machine and they continue to try to divide our country AT A TIME WHEN WE NEED TO BE UNITED MORE THAN EVER!Is it any wonder why Americans want a change from people like Bush and Cheney and their politicalm operatives?

Posted by: savoymt | October 26, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

McCain represents the best of the PAST and Obama the best of the FUTURE.

Posted by: FM | October 26, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am

9 more days and this will all be over. I can’t wait. It seems as if this election was going on for 2 years.

Posted by: Joseph | October 26, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am

WOW, Zogby is a charleton whereas MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NYTimes are FAIR !!!

Posted by: vs | October 26, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

Whine and cheese top the menu at the McCain/Palin Pity Party Nov 4th.

Posted by: Clint | October 26, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am

McCain is loosing touch with realty on “Meet the Press”, and refuses to believe numbers in polls that he doesn’t agree with.

Posted by: laojie | October 26, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am

Obama Campaign Cuts Off Interviews With Florida TV Station
Barack Obama’s campaign killed all interviews with a Florida TV station after Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, faced tough and critical questions from a reporter at the Orlando station, the Orlando Sentinel reported .
During a satellite video Thursday, WFTV’s Barbara West quoted Karl Marx and asked Biden how Obama’s comment to “Joe the Plumber,” about spreading the wealth wasn’t being Marxist.
“Are you joking?,” Biden asked.
West replied, “No.”
Later in the interview West questioned Biden about his comments that if Obama wins the election next month, he would be tested early on as president and wanted to know if Biden was implying America was no longer the world’s leading power.
“I don’t know who’s writing your questions,” Biden asked her.
The Obama camp then killed a WFTV interview with Biden’s wife Jill, according to an Orlando Sentinel blog.
“This cancellation is non-negotiable, and further opportunities for your station to interview with this campaign are unlikely, at best for the duration of the remaining days until the election,” wrote Laura K. McGinnis, Central Florida communications director for the Obama campaign, according to the Sentinel.
I guess the truth hurts and “The One” can’t handle the truth.

Posted by: News you will not find reported here | October 26, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

The Party which gave us Bush is the same which wants to give us McCain/Palin.
Their offer of Bush has not been tastey and people have all reasons to be skeptical in accepting their offer this time.

Posted by: FM | October 26, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am

I really see no difference. As long as the government does the right things to help the people *overall* and not just a few groups, then it’s okay.
One thing people keep forgetting is that the Repubs had an unified government for 6 years under Bush between 2001 and 2006. If most people thought things were bad during these years, especially the war in Iraq, then it’s the fault of the unified Repub government.
So in the end, I really see no difference. If a divisional government works best, why did even the Repubs try to control everything? It seems partisan views will always exist in this country, and now that the Repubs know they will loose both the WH and Congress, they are using this argument to state their case for a divisional government when they had been in overall control for more than 6 years even 8 if one counts the Dems not fully were in control of Congress after 2006.
(shakes head sadly) Seems the Repubs are being hyprocrits. They don’t mind an unified government as long as they are in control.

Posted by: GWP | October 26, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am

Our forefathers said never let a absolute control go to one party.
Obama’s Best friends of 20 years. All hate the American Government and want the country taken over and the Government Changed.
Wanting The wealth of the Country redistributed. The power redistributed and a new Government.
Funny how that is obama’s main champaign goal. Change your Government.
Not a coincidence, All of them worked hard getting Obama from the south side of Chicago to where he is, and hope to get him in the position to do just that.
They worked long hours, gave their money and collected other peoples money to help get him here. There goal was a new government.
Obama like them has taken on that goal.
Wright Hates your Government and wants it changed.
Michelle Hates your Government and wants it Changed.
Ayers Hates your Government and wants it changed.
Bernardine Dohrne Hates your Government and wants it changed
Soros Hates your Government and wants it Changed.
Louis Farrkham Hates your Government and wants it Changed.
Pfegler Hates your Government and wants it changed
Khalid Al Mansour Hates your Government and wants it changed
(C. Rice, j.jackson, sharpton all want the constitution rewritten)
These people do not want to just clean it up, fix it. They mean A whole new Government. Re write the Constitution and all the laws and everything.
What has Obama said since the first day of his campaign, I will Change the Government.
No way is that a Coincidence, That the Majority of Obama’s best friends in Life all want the same thing?
How many of your close personal friends want to Destory the American Government.

Posted by: seah | October 26, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

I CAN NOT WAIT FOR ALL TO TO BE OVER!!!
But god help us if obama get’s in.
All we can do is hope for the best. We are going to need it…….

Posted by: carol | October 26, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am

Palin is “annoyed” with Katie Couric because she asked “irrelevant question”…. GET THIS – HERE’S HER QUOTE – - “Last time I was here (Ft Wayne, Indiana) I got to tell a crowd that I had to give a national interview that didn’t go so well,” she said. “And it was because I was kind of annoyed with the questions that I was being asked because I thought they were kind of irrelevant to, you know, national security issues and getting our economy back on track, so I kind of showed some of that annoyance.” DID YOU GET THAT?? SHE THINKS NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES AND OUR ECONOMY GETTING BACK ON TRACK ARE “IRRELEVANT”!!! This woman is a disgrace to humans.

Posted by: Julie | October 26, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

This is exactly what I have been saying this whole election that the public manipulations of Obama campaign are winning the quiet vote for those of the whole party of Democrats. Why should we now swing all the power to only one side of the senate, congress,speaker, and possibly Presidency, we need a Balance in our government. When need a fair balance to oversee the both sides of bills,laws, and use of public funds in Washington. It’s ok to be concerned, but to vote only one party based on influence by that same party is not what we need in our country. BAlance folks, a Balance to be heard, to watch the checks and balances. This is for our best interests. Study your party’s voting stlye for the past 2 years and see from that if they should end up with total power across the line???

Posted by: Mel | October 26, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, brings far more promise to the office. In a time of grave economic crisis, he displays thoughtful analysis, enlists wise counsel and operates with a cool, steady hand. The same cannot be said of Sen. McCain.
Since his early acknowledgement that economic policy is not his strong suit, Sen. McCain has stumbled and fumbled badly in dealing with the accelerating crisis as it emerged. He declared that “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” at 9 a.m. one day and by 11 a.m. was describing an economy in crisis. He is both a longtime advocate of less market regulation and a supporter of the huge taxpayer-funded Wall Street bailout. His behavior in this crisis — erratic is a kind description — shows him to be ill-equipped to lead the essential effort of reining in a runaway financial system and setting an anxious nation on course to economic recovery.
More and more honest-to-God Republicans now believe Obama is more functional, more able to navigate us through the problems of the times than John McKKKain. Newspapers seem to agree. Many that endorsed George Bush four years ago have gone for Obama this time. These include two Texas papers, the Houston Chronicle and the Austin-American Statesman, as well as the Denver Post, Chicago Sun-Times, Kansas City Star, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and even the Salt Lake Tribune____
Republicans for Obama._____

Posted by: republicansareliars | October 26, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

Considering that this is the argument it has come down to why is it that when the Republicans argued for it before it was always okay. And now that it is going to happen to the Democrats it is not okay? It is just really sad that if anyone is going to remember John McCain they will remember how his legacy went from that of a POW to that of someone who has lost all dignity.

Posted by: sk8boardgrind | October 26, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

To all you who are fearful of a ‘whole government’ swing to the Democrats: why didn’t you complain when the Repubicans had both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court and the White House between 2000 and 2006.
I didn’t hear you hypocrites complain then. And look at the mess your party made. And as for Barack’s “socialism” that is pure hogwash. Obama is just following traditional Democrat principles of cleaning up the mess left by the ‘socialism for the rich’ republicans. That’s all.

Posted by: Steve_Detroit | October 26, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

I was there each and everytime the democrats called for us to tighten our belts, We should be able to look to our government to provide us hope, not that. McCain/Palin is giving us hope and once again the democrats stand there with the “share the wealth” program that ultimately says WELFARE and at 54… I have supported enough people in my lifetime due to them! Let these people get out and get these jobs that are out there..and not snub their nose because it’s not a ceo position..
President Bush has done an awesome job with what Bill Clinton left him, sure they say there was a surplus, but look at Osama, he could have caught him but NOOO he left him for someone else to take care of, in the process President Bush has handled wars on two fronts and except for a few whiney babies supported by the antiwar area..not very many of our military have complained….
If you really wanna know why we have financial problems look to the Democrats sitting on there butts making big bucks to sell us out….on all the pork they have passed and pocketed over the past period since they have been in office…What has the Democrats done for you??
When McCain called for regulation, they scoffed it, when Bush called for regulation they scoffed that….because it wasn’t in the best interests of their wallets to see America go in the right direction, plus what better way to turn Americans against the Republican Party…
America we have been setup by our own Congress and House, They have done very little for America but sell us out…think about it…
McCain has the ######## to stop it..and so the liberal media bashes them because in the end their pockets get nicely padded for what they are doing…
As far as Colin Powell, it’s strange he was the one who was there when the military was cut the bone, so do I see yet another slash on the miliatry upcoming from the democrats like Clinton did? do we as Americans watch as they strip us once again of our defense?
McCain is telling the truth! We cannot have a full democratic government! America with a filabuster Democratic government will put us at more risk that President Bush ever has…. but all they do is point their finger at him for all these problems…
Also it makes me unconfortable knowing someone with as little known background and what we do know isn’t really good, and to top that off with Obama’s associations, he could not be a body guard for the president but can be a President? Think about this…

Posted by: Betty | October 26, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Hey Seah.. so you think all Obama’s friends hate this country. How about Sarah Palin’s friends, the ALASKA INDEPENCED PARTY, of which she and her husband were members and may still be for all we know. This Alaska Independence Party hates our counrty and our government and want to be a separate nation or join with Canada. Wasn’t it Sarah Palin who said at the ALaska Indepence Party’s convention this year that she “shares their vision” and to “keep up the good work.” These are the types of organizations that breed the Timothy McVeigh’s of the world..you remember him as he is the man who blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City. If “sharing their vision’ isn’t Anti-Americanism then I don’t know what is. I for one do not want my tax dollars paying for Sarah Palin and her husband to be living in the Vice President’s residence. If you don’t like our country feel free to get on a boat or plane and leave.
As for our economy it was Phil Gramm (R-TX) along with the Republican majority in Cogress in 1999 who orchastrated the demise of the Glass-Steagall Act that regulated such groups as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Hmmm… the same Phil Gramm who once said he never met a regulation that he liked and who is now part of John McCain’s campaign organization. It is also the same Phil Gramm who would probably be the Secretary of the Treasury under a McCain-Palin administration. So how does John McCain talk about having regualtions in place when he will probably put “Mr. Deregulation” in charge of the Treasury. Just another example of McCain will say anything to get elected.

Posted by: I've had it | October 26, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am

Great commentary Jeff Kuhner: This election is the most important election in out lifetime. A liberal tidal wave will permanently shatter the country as we know it. -

Posted by: alterednation99 | October 26, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

Obama and Democrats want our 401K accounts, what’s NEXT
also want to bring back the fairness doctrine
Google fairness doctrine and nm senator

Posted by: John | October 26, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Obama was a Socialist, may still be.

Posted by: John | October 26, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

If you want the mess left behind by the Republicans cleaned up quickly then give Obama the means to do it quickly and efficiently. The man is intelligent, has the right ideas and has a heart. Four years is not a lot of time to fix this mess and we should not get mired in divisive interest group politics. The situation is worse than it really appears. Wall Street and special interest groups have created major a financial cancer and the situation needs major surgery before the nation can heal. Give him majority in both houses that he needs to do the job efficiently.

Posted by: arvin | October 26, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

WHAT IS ALL THE HULA-BALOO ABOUT BUYING PALIN’S CLOTHES?…..IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE NOT SUCH SNOBS THIS WOULDN’T HAVE TO BE…… REMEMBER HOW HILLARY’S PANT-SUITS WERE A JOKE OF MANY…..I AM SURE HER CON-SIGNMENT CLOTHES WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST FINE..BUT TO YOU ALMIGHTY I’M SURE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN… WHY OH WHY DON’T YOU PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT SHE SAYS.. SHE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRETENSE IN WASHINGTON AND ALL THE SNOBS… REMEMBER HOW THE CARTER’S WERE TREATED… THE REASON ALL THIS BULL CRAP IS THAT SHE WILL INFRINGE ON ALL THE LUXERIES OF WASHINGTON THEY MIGHT HAVE TO DRIVE THEIR OWN CAR (PAY THE BIG GAS BILLS) TO WORK PAY FOR OWN INSURANCE ETC. GET THE PICTURE. MAKE ME PUKE.. ALL THE NASTY REMARKS PAINS ME THAT YOU COULD HONESTLY SAY THESE THINGS TO A WOMAN THAT CARES. IS IT BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN?

Posted by: Betty Snow | October 26, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

McCain/Palin ticket is a bad taste.

Posted by: kho lee | October 26, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

Great article there, Educator! It points out the flaws of the McCain camp’s ‘socialist’ accusations against Obama. Gee, it seems most Repubs are going against Reagan these days, if they can’t remember that Reagan easily ‘spread the wealth’ back then.
I’m googling the article and bookmarking it to remember to use it later at other blogs and message boards. :)

Posted by: GWP | October 26, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

Why should the Dems apologize or recant if we do legitimately win the Presidency and possibly the house. The Republicans had control of both for 6 years. But the Dems will not muck it up like the Republicans did. We should at least be given a chance. There will still be plenty of Republican representation there from state representivates, and Senate and House. So that if the Dems get out of line then you know the whistle will be blown very loudly. But the Dems have earned both this time, and they were VOTED IN by the people. So just let the Democratic process work as our forefathers designed IT!

Posted by: lkinopfl | October 26, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm

John unfortunately you are right as matter of fact the Obama campaign showed by refusing to answer questions when you are running for office the media ‘s job is to test candidates every way possible so we can find out what they have to offer, that only proves that they more than socialist, for the past 40 years I have been an American citizen and I thanked God every day that I live in a free country, maybe you take it for granted, to me is a blessing, I can tell you a story in my country 50 years ago a very young and eloquent fellow promised change, and we got it, of course it destroyed my country the first thing to go was the media, if we are not able to question our government if we cannot freely criticize their position, is a very sad situation

Posted by: Truth or Cosequence | October 26, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

Alaska’s largest newspaper just announced they endorse Obama! LOL.

Posted by: Carole K | October 26, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

I always advocated the theory of splitting the power in the white house that one single party should not have the control of both presidency and congress.But the republican cry in this campaign for the economic failure and crisis pointing to Democratic congress as the reason changed my mind now.If the president we elect doesnt know how to use powers then he shouldnt run for the elections.Now I strongly feel it is better to give one party control over everything.In that case we as Americans doesnt have to get mad about one party throwing mud at each other.Give control for one party and if they screw up then they are the only ones to be blamed.Simple theory.

Posted by: moderaterepublican | October 26, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

.. ALL THE NASTY REMARKS PAINS ME THAT YOU COULD HONESTLY SAY THESE THINGS TO A WOMAN THAT CARES. IS IT BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN?
No, It’s because she’s a Republican and VERY stupid!

Posted by: Daniel B. Stewart | October 26, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

McCain was doomed from the time he chose Palin as his running mate. A bizarre and disastrous decision. No argument will make Palin any more qualified to be President if McCain drops dead in January.

Posted by: Jim Macko | October 26, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

The Republicans have lost their way thanks to the Christian colition. They banked on their right wing scare tatics. It is a shame. McCain seemed to always be a moderate until the middle of the election when his advisor stifled him. Not much of maverick anymore, he has caved to his party.

Posted by: Storm | October 26, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Perhaps I am a bit ignorant, but I really do not understand why hollywood and the mainstream media are extremists when it comes to supporting the democratic party who favors socialism which eventually leads to an overwhelming amount of govenment control on individuals liberties!?! The democratic party has changed away from what it used to stand for as has the GOP. Sigourney Weaver’s reasons for Palin should not be elected is because she wears a skirt??? That’s a pretty damn ignorant response! But more importantly, are not thesbians artists who prefer to have their art expressed freely? And for hundreds of years, hasn’t the medias plight been to report the truth but now there has been a law passed saying the media can legally mislead the public??? Where are the ethics in that!?! Really, I’d like to know how these two groups benefit from the democratic party? It doesn’t make sense to me at all. Because in my own opinion, socialism doesn’t just mean a broken medical system where people will die waiting for much needed medical care, no newer medical treatments found or developed due to no abilities to make profits to put towards research (which Mr. Moore, the supposedly awesome documentary filmmaker ignorantly states, “no profits for the medical community” which in fact would efficiently end medical research!); no, socialism means much more than a non-functioning medical system, it will also threaten one’s freedom of speech, socialism would truly not represent the WE the PEOPLE and when you get upset over anything government decides to do, your phone calls to your governor won’t have a connection. Why would anyone want Our U.S. to no longer mean “We the People” and our Freedoms and Liberties to be taken away under a socialist system??? Is this the beginning of Ray Bradbury’s “Fahrenheit 451″, the age of true ignorance?

Posted by: Flanneryoops | October 26, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

Maybe it will be a trend to get something with short history to be candidate, so there will be not many track records for rival to challenge on.
Democrat spokemen or Obama always use the last resort without fail when they could not argue on certain issues, i.e. McCain is the third term of Bush. Whenever the name “Bush” is mentioned, all the points of McCain’s campaign are wiped out immediately. “Bush” just liked magic spells. The situation of America and the performance of Bush really give him tremendous pressure on McCain’s campaign. Maybe McCain is really not that lucky.

Posted by: Ashley | October 26, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

PERCEPTION IS NOT NECESSARILY REALITY … DON’T BELIEVE THE POLLS …
Obama supporters act as if the polls are a true reflection of what’s going to happen on November 4th. Obama has consistently tried to win each of his elections prior to a single vote being cast, by eliminating his opponenets on technicalities, or having the DNC dump Hillary, or by giving the false impression that he already won, before the election has even taken place. When you don’t have an actual record to run on … and all you can do is point out problems, and blame others, as Obama has, you have to rely on gimmicks that have nothing to do with your actual ability to lead … like accusations of racism ad nauseam … like early voting …busing and indoctrinating homeless people on the way to the polls … photo ops with big crowds … spending 4 to 1 on advertising … having the media in the tank … having Hollywood in the tank, having Acorn in the tank … and, having 98% of all black voters in the tank. But, all of these things are nothing more than a fabricated perception. They have nothing to do with a person’s experience, or ability to lead. They just reveal a candidate who will say, or do anything to get elected. That’s why the Obamabots are so worried. That’s why Obama is telling his disciples not to get over confident. That’s why the Obama campaign tries real hard to make it look like Obama has already won … just like they did in the run against Hillary in the primaries. I happen to believe there are legions of people who are going to vote for McCain on November 4th … unlike the ‘in your face’ Obama supporters, November 4th is when the McCain supporters will express themselves. A vote for Obama is a vote for voter fraud, corrupt media, and a road to socialism. Keep America safe and strong, elect McCain/Palin on November 4th.

Posted by: Howard | October 26, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

Democrats need to understand that in a socialist system, where their highly wanted ill efficient medical care system lies, is that other countries who do have a socialist medical care system, like Great Britain, Canada, etc, all their blue collar workers also pay their governments over 59% over their wages earned in order to pay for all the government branches of medical care, oversight, etc. Socialist parties interests are to keep people grinding to the bone by working their butts off while not being able to deliver promises made. Under Reagan, most workers with families got back half their taxes they paid in, under Bush you got even more back or did have to pay in at all. When major corporates are taxed, they still do not pay the taxes, they pass those costs on to the consumers and if the consumers can no longer afford to buy the products those companies go under or go else where. Under Obama, you will see less of your paycheck as it will go toward more taxes to pay for all these government programs he plans to make. Why would anyone want more government??? More government means more control over your liberties, freedom to do, etc. Why would anyone buy into let your government take care of you!?! That is not what our founders wanted for our country! You think Obama is actually going to give you all he promises!?! The only thing Obama has is charisma, but most people in history’s past who had charisma were also the most sly and shady of people! Obama has profitted off your hard earned sweat and tears and blood in the failed home loan scandals, look at his secretary of treasurers record….he too made even bigger profits. He says, “people of my income should pay taxes, not people who make under $250,000″ then why did he vote in the senate for people who made $42,000 to pay higher taxes!?! When Obama scoffed at Joe the plumber who wanted to one day own his own business he was scoffing at anyone of you who one day decides to own their own business too!!! You don’t believe Obama wants to further the gap between the rich and the poor??? Look up history 101 where socialist systems keep the average wage earner down from ever having any hopes of becoming any better! Isn’t the American dream to be able to see their dreams come true!?! Where in a socialist system you’d have better luck winning the lottery, than ever being able to make any dream come true!

Posted by: Flanneryoops | October 26, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

For Republicans to throw around the word socialism is really irresponsible – and a reason they need to be voted out. Obama wants to give tax breaks to companies for every job they create – that’s socialism?
It is time for the right to realize that they are the mudslingers and that it isn’t helping the level of political discourse. If anything happens to Obama, they are going to be blamed forever – so stop it.

Posted by: Mom | October 26, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

PLEASE, Obama, PLEASE!! help Congress pass a tax on the Republicans so my children won’t have to pay for their wars and the Bush Recession!!!
That should be the new Administration’s and Congress’s mandate.

Posted by: umtomcat | October 26, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

Maybe you never experince it so I understand your feeling but Flanneryoops
is correct very sad but true,
God Bless America
We all need it!!

Posted by: Truth or Cosequence | October 26, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

I just saw some video clips on McCain’s site that leave me asking the many people of faith out there a few questions. The clips dealt with working hard for what you “earned” and not wanting to give to others that didn’t work as hard. I am hoping I get some answers, rather than insults and senseless bickering. Here are my questions:
Wasn’t Jesus all about social justice and lifting up the lowly?
Wouldn’t he be giving all he had to lift them up?
Wouldn’t he be outraged against the policies that foster the cycles of poverty and suffering that are ingrained in our inner cities?

Posted by: Nuyo | October 26, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

The Palin Camp -versus- The McCain Camp
You know Karl Rove and John McCain need to start making an example of Sarah Palin, because she doesn’t respect their authorty. She has turn into a “A Real American Diva” in these last couple of days.

Posted by: Targaray | October 26, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

Maverick -versus- Maverick
John McCain and Karl Rove have setup Sarah Palin to be the official SCAPEGOAT. Look at the evidence:
- $150KClothingGate
- TrooperGate
- BridgetoNoWhereGate
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Posted by: Targaray | October 26, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

Hey Carol and Betty: Way to go!! I am going to a prayer meeting in San Diego California next Saturday to pray for the elections on November 4. I hate to think how it would be if Obama wins. I won’t bow to Allah. Allah was not God. I won’t bow to Karl Marx. Karl Marx was not God. Obama is mean. I mean in an evil way.

Posted by: Patricia Spillman | October 26, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

If the best arguement McCain can up with on why someone should not vote for Obama is that Americans like divided goverment, he is in trouble for real. How many Americans, when they step in a voting booth…think about how they can keep the goverment divided. Checks and Balances? How many Americans even know what that is? The McCain is making an arguement, once again, that just is not what most voters are listening to.

Posted by: mary | October 26, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

Obama voted to go to war in Iraq.
Obama has repeatedly stated he wants to move our troops into Afghanistan, not bring our troops home like he pledged when he was running against Hiliary!
So why would you believe republicans should have to pay for the war???
And he’s been a long time friend of Bill Ayers for over 20 years who admits to being a marxist (which is a belief in communism), Obama’s own pastor of over 20 years is a believer in socialism. Hello, this is where all the socialist talk comes from! Also, read his wife’s disertation!! And why won’t he make his own made to the public??? Because he is a believer in socialism, communism!!!
How the heck can any business thrive under Obama’s tax policies, even with a tax break for every new job created while they’re drowning and trying to stay above water as it is with the taxes impsed on them???
Obama was brought up with the hands of the socialist and marxist believers for over the past 20 years! They picked him because of his charisma, they groomed him, they’ve paid into his campaign.
Timothy McVeigh had no connections to the republican party and his acts certainly were not supported by either party! But…
Obama’s good friend Bill Ayers is a terrorist, he admittedly bombed public buildings here in the U.S. and wishes he’d done more! Wishes he’d caused more damage to buildings, people, etc…and who do you think had to pay to rebuild and repair those bombed buildings??? We did, the tax payers! He took money out of your pockets to make his political statements to the nation by damaging public buildings! Which those bombs could have killed people!!! American people who had nothing to do with Bill Ayers!!!!!
You want to elect someone to be our president who keeps back peddling saying, “Oh, I didn’t know my pastor was a racist” “Oh, I thought good ole Bill was reformed.” You want someone to be our president who keeps claiming the very people he picked and surrounded himself with for over 20 years hate the U.S. and claims he had no idea these people were like they are??? You truly believe Obama didn’t know his friends were not reformed as he claims to have thought they were????
Listen to speeches Obama gave when he first began his political campaign and then listen to what he is saying now about his policies! He will say anything to make his supporters happy just to get into the White House!
McCain’s record has not been wishy washy. He’s been consistant and in fact, he has been called a more liberal politician than a conservative. He knows what he stands for and stands by it! While Obama changes his tune and out right lies to you!!!
If Obama truly did not know about his own pastor or his own friend, Bill Ayers, both of over 20 years then this definitely points to his lack of judgement and therefore makes him a poor choice in one to make important decisions as a president!

Posted by: Flanneryoops | October 26, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

Hate to break it you, but, Allah is the name of God for Muslims…as Jehovah is a name for God as well. Do you think Muslims are having worship anyone but God? Both the Muslim faith and the Christian faith come from the Jewish faith. Get a clue. It is sad that people are closed minded to others people faith, but, claim to hold to Freedom of Religion.

Posted by: GEN X | October 26, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

No Republican president has ever asked for a Democratic congress. We need to get things done as FDR did. And just because a President and a Congress are of the same party doesn’t mean that they surrender their own prerogatives–ask Carter, Clinton, and JFK. This divided government shtick is another last gasp measure by McCain.

Posted by: bhciapol | October 26, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

It is a pity that most people still do not understand the meaning of socialism and its manifestations. Even leaders who are supposed to know, now misinform and mislead the nation by distorting the concept of socialism. If our so called leaders and their ignorant follower are intellectually dishonest twisting and distorting the concept of socialism I wonder how they would be able to govern. This is even worse when we see the press or media become so indifferent to the pronouncements by McCain and his followers. It is a disgrace. This is why we are having all these problems. Here for the benefits of the ignorant and those misleading the nation: Socialism simply put is a system or theory whereby the ownership and means of production in a community is in the hands of the collectives and not in the private individuals. Is this what we have in America? Is his what the democrats stand for? This is not the case with the democrats and certainly it is not the case with Obama. Well let us take another aspect these liars have failed to understand about Socialism: It seeks to eliminate private ownership of the means of production and distribution while promoting that members share work and products. Is this what Obama is saying certainly not. For a society to leave the old slave owner and slave relationship we must advocate for social, economic and all round justice. Now we know that when the interests of the Republicans are at stake they brand people names to deprive them of their constitutional rights. Just think about our banking system. Why does the bank get the money they lend to businesses? Certainly they get money from what is collected from the members of the society. Now let us talk about taxation or no taxation. In which society is taxation less: Socialist Society or Capitalist Society? How can you say that you will not tax any one and yet pay for all the projects being proposed? Where will the funds come from? We are once more being deceived as we were deceived during the past eight years. Which party has kept the wages of the workers down while the corporate CEOs and their gangs rake home very huge profit? Republicans or Democrats or who? How much did the oil companies make at the expense of all of us at the pumps? Who took home the money? Wake America be well informed and do not let McCain-Bush and their manipulative media stooges throw us off track any longer. Let us equip ourselves with facts and the truth. This is the only way to take control of our destiny. Vote with your conscience and Vote for Obama. He is not a socialist.

Posted by: Karl Os | October 26, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

I was shocked when I watched Michelle Obama giving a campaign speech the other night. She was talking about how she has met people on the trail who have not voted in 50,60,70, years. I think it may be safe to say they have never voted. And now they are. We are going to elect a President with whom a majority of people have never cared enough about their country and the issues enough to ever vote. I’ll stick McCain/Palin thank-you. You people can all join the true people who have never cared enough to vote. Not impressed with that, I don’t look it as noble Obama is drawing out these people. I can see young people getting involved and give him credit.But uncommited or uneffected people after 50,60,70, years? Scarey, now you’re going to tell me they have looked at the issues and know what they are voting for?

Posted by: conf1689 | October 26, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

bhciapol, You are right about the idea of divided government. We have proof that it is baseless argument and it is no validity. It is a defeatist game. Why an election if this is their case? Did they see it coming? I would say that they are just being dubious. It is nonsense. What if they Republicans when they controlled the congress and the white house? Did they think of balance of power? No they did not think so long ago. Why now?
They are losers and brought shame to America with the failed Bush Policies supported by McCain and those around him.

Posted by: karlosaka | October 26, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

Karl Os
You in fact are the one that is mis-informing, bending truths.
Obama wants to lead the nation into socialism, which is NOT a system that works for the majority. It in fact, works against the majority.
His closest friends and strongest supporters are either socialists or marxists.
Voting for McCain will keep America free from polluted idealisms that do not work.
Voting for Obama will break the back bones of every hard working American.

Posted by: Flanneryoops | October 26, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

Did McCain forget that for the last 6 years, the Republicans controlled CONGRESS & the Whitehouse?
McCain must have troubling remembering…

Posted by: Bryan T | October 26, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

To conf1968I say do not be shocked because there will be no meds to treat your shock due to your ignorance. People have their constitutional rights not to vote if the candidates stand for division instead of unity, if the candidate stands for hate instead of love, if the candidate stands for tearing people apart instead of seeing the positive side of the opponent and let people compare the positive sides of the candidates with which they can lead. Once you see nothing good in your opponent whose cooperation you would need to get things done when you come to power you are doomed to fail. We can not continue to shred our selves and think about uniting the country to overcome difficult times. Tell me how can you site on the same table to get things done with the opponent you have so much discredited? One would be a fraud if one for a candidate who is convincing to be a good leader. It would be better not to vote at all than to do so for the wrong reason and wrong person. Just as the same blame goes to those who voted them into office. If the person voted for is found to have messed up, so are those who voted them into office. You see why we are in this mess. If our leaders are honorable leaders they should respect their opponents and know whatever ill the think of their opponents will be thought of them too. American Let Us Reject Those Leaders Who for Political Reason Condemn Their Opponents but on the long run would want that same opponent to work with them to get things done. This is selfish and condescending and fraudulent. Can you just imagine McCain questioning Obama yet Obama is a Senator like him and both are in the same House of Senate? Where has McCain being all these years? What does that say about McCain and his speeches? Any one could be turned off by fabricated and baseless attacks on opponents just to get VOTES. If both candidates do so surely it will turn people off. Lastly, reaching out to potential voters and not using scare tactics has very productive in getting every one out to vote.
Think hard and Think Deep.

Posted by: karlosaka | October 26, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

Flanneryoops Do you you know what socialism is? Have you ever lived in a socialist country? There are only two ways to get you to understand: 1. Get yourself informed about concepts 2. Get or live some practical experience in a so called socialist country. I would like you to answer this? Is doing business and talikng to or cooperating with china which is a communist state and from whom we have borrowed money make America Socialist or Communist? This under Bush’s Government and not Obama. If we do buniness with a country we say has poor human rights records, then who are we? What would you say about all those republicans who have had the same relationships as Obama? What about McCain’ corruption scandal?
$2 million paid by lobbysts to the republicans to kills regulation in congress? I see that you are insinuating race card because other congress men have the same relationships. You can not single out one and leave the rest. Where is you judgment and sense of justice. How many innocent American have you condemned? Tell the world. Be honest my friend.

Posted by: karlosaka | October 26, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

i have seen a few clips of mccain’s interviews..he has said that he DOES NOT CARE what the AMERICAN PEOPLE THINK…maybe that’s the problem mccain!

Posted by: rose | October 26, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

Karlosaka Think hard and think deep .She mentioned meeting people who are voting for the first time in 50,60,70, years. Which means they have never voted. Are you going to tell me in 50,60,70, years there was not one Presidential candidate they cared to vote for? What about Kennedy? I don’t think so it’s that they didn’t care at all. And I am not impressed with these people voting now for the first time. The young vote yes I am impressed Obama has encouraged them but the apathetic voters in their 70′s. No I’m sorry I can’t see how they have all of a sudden to vote the issues.

Posted by: conf1689 | October 26, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

How about another scenrio. A President who has shown characteristics of divisivness, being erractic and no message that gives the middle class help. And a Vice President who is not quailified, a “rogue” according to her own her party and being investigated for abuse of Power. Neither of these 2 individuals could expect from their legislative conterparts or the international community. This scenario would prove to stall and drag the country down even further. No, Mccain, you are the scenerio we must avoid like a plague. The only comfort we can have is the knowledge that after this yours and Palin will be washed up in politics. We in essence are ridding the world and the country of a couple of radicals who tried to pass themselves off as caring, when actually all they cared about was themselves.

Posted by: SD | October 26, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

With McPain/ Palin, we would be further a divided country which would spell disaster!
All that GOP ticket does, is bash Obama and ‘THE LIBERALS’, they offer nothing, and it is at this time, they will further attack with pure bull-crap, which, thankfully, will fall on deaf ears, this time around.
Watched CBS this evening, and it did not bode well for Greenspan, and the repub congress, who allowed deregulation, which, was just ‘legal gambling’. We need gov’t to regulate what transpires with Wall Street.
We need a democratic congress, to ensure, that GOOD THINGS GET DONE, and the sooner the better. It is a monumental task, for sure.
The repubs, have done what they set out to do, and that was to destroy all that was American. I look forward to finding out all that Bush/Cheney did to monkey around with our Constitution.
PLEASE SEND THOSE DIRTY RASCALS HOME!

Posted by: LYNDA in CT | October 26, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

What is worse is the McCain is dividing this country with his divisive language. He talks about America like there’s two America, the business America and the working America. Rather than offer a vision of hope and unity, all he talks about the “wealth spreading among Americans”. It’s like he talks about one America that is foriegn and the other America that is patriotic. If this man truly loves this country like he claims he needs to understand that dividing this country is not among the things one would find in a true patriot.

Posted by: Jake | October 26, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm

Posters here complain that things were bad when the republicans controlled both the white house and congress. Then they say that the dems should have control of both the white house and congress because of that. I don’t think they’re grasping that the problem when the repubs had full control was that it created a situation where there were no checks and balances. The same thing will happen when the dems control it all. Things will be bad again. You need a prez of one party and a congress with a large enough majority to override a veto if it becomes necessary.

Posted by: Tom in MA | October 26, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

You know you’re about to lose when you start saying “vote for me to keep the government split between the parties”. If that is the only reason you have to resort to…you’re campaign is in a death spiral.

Posted by: Sean | October 26, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

Karlosaka
I do in fact know what socialism is. And no, I have never lived in a true socialist system…not yet anyway. Have you lived in a socialist system?
1. You say I need to “get myself informed about concepts.” Are you referring to thinking that I do not know what socialism is? Or are you referring to because I have never lived in a socialist system I can not possibly know what it means? Or are you still maintaining that Obama is not a socialist?
2. You say “get or live some practical experience in a so called socialist country?” Dear friend, I do not need nor want to live in a socialist country to know it is not beneficial for the majority.
Also, maybe you were more informed about how the world economy works you’d know why we do business with China. Do you really think Obama is not going to continue this relationship???
1. Yes, he will continue it.
2. No, having business trade does not make the US socialist and nor does it make the US communist.
3. The US along with the UN does push China to have better human rights for their own people. Would we like to see communism rule fall, yes, but only because it does not work for the greater good of the people. Honestly, the only way communism or socialism can work is if humans were not in control.
4. We traded with China under Clinton, and of course not under Obama because he hasn’t been president.
McCain’s corruption was actually 2.6 mil, and no I do not believe McCain is squeeky clean. But he is the better of the two evils.
Now that I have answered your questions, please be kind enough to answer mine:
1. How can you trust the judgement of Obama when he has surrounded himself with radicals of the likes as Bill Ayers? His pastor? Rezko?
Bill Ayers, good friend of Obama’s for over 20 years, who admits to bombing public buildings in NYC and who still claims to be a marxist to this day.
His pastor, friend for over 20 years, who is a socialist and a racist.
Rezko who Obama has had a 17-year relationship with an indicted Chicago con man who’s going on trial for fraud, extortion, and money laundering. ABC News found that Obama has been close to Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a major slumlord and wheeler-dealer who used minority set-asides and community groups as fronts to win government contracts.
As a state senator, Obama wrote letters to the city and state backing Rezko’s successful bid to get $14 million in tax money to build senior citizen housing that wasn’t in Obama’s district.
ABC and the Chicago Sun-Times both found that Obama asked for and got Rezko’s help in buying land neighboring Rezko’s property for $300,000 below the asking price. When the deal became public, Obama said it was a mistake that he regrets. He may not be done regretting it.
The Sun-Times has learned that Obama is the unnamed political candidate in the federal indictment against Rezko. His US Senate campaign got $10,000 out of quarter-million-dollar scheme engineered by Rezko.
Karlosaka, you are trying to tell everyone here that Obama stands for change? In what sense? He’s lies, he held onto most of the money from Rezko. Obama says he did not know his pastor was a racist and believes in socialism. He says he thought Bill Ayers was rehabilitated?
Karlosaka, how can you believe Obama was naive enough to not know who his friends really were? Is it bad judgement on his part or is he lying?
Furthermore, do you honestly believe Obama has not profitted off the American tax dollars illegally or rather through others who get it by illegal means? Do you believe he’s honest, clean and really gives a crap about the American working class?
When people decide on a candidate, they do not have to agree with every policy, voters do need to be informed about the candidates they choose. You show me one politician who hasn’t had their hand in the bad guy cookie jar and if you can produce one I’ll run naked down Main Street in NYC. This being said, McCain is the lesser of two evils in this scenario, this election.

Posted by: Flanneryoops | October 26, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm

Flanneryoops you wrote: “You in fact are the one that is misinforming, bending truths” You seem to have things mixed up concepts and do not even know what socialism means. You like others who just take delight in labeling people do not know what you are talking about. It would needless and waist of my valuable time to trying to educate you about the concept of socialism and its manifestations. It would have been better to leave you in your ignorance than to engage you in any productive discussions about socialism. I have seen it and I have lived it. Do you have any idea of about what Socialism is or how it looks like and function? Please, do your-self a great service by going to any library close or just surf the internet for the concept of socialism, read about it before you even try to talk to me? It is so sad that I this modern world people still are not ready to learn and can not speak the truth. Half knowledge or ignorance does humanity no good.
If it works against the majority why are we boring money from China? You should read the ideology of the Republicans and those of the Democrats before you talk. McCain is not operation outside the Republican Ideology and in fact he is now embracing those ideas he once rejected in the past of the Republican Party. So except you are in denial we currently have no economic turmoil. McCain will only make use slaves rather than a free country. Did know his history? Just look at all the inconsistencies. We do not want a leader who is erratic and inconsistent. I used to admire McCain before the elections but he switch colors like a Chameleon. Too bad.

Posted by: karlosaka | October 26, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

Why is eveyone so FEARFUL? I guess change and hope are bad and sticking with the same garbage is good? No one wants to part with their almighty dollar. Get over it people.
Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Michelle | October 26, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

karlosaka,
What country are you from where you lived under socialism?
I have fully answered your questions and you reply, for my efforts in doing so, that you wasted your time asking me questions. Why do you not answer my questions about your favorite candidate?
And please tell me if you really believe Obama is going to end relations with China!?!
All I can say, is that since you will not answer my questions, and that it is perhaps the reason you like Obama so much, is that you embrace socialism and didn’t leave your country to get away from it but to help Obama and his followers to make our country become socialist.
And I only say this because you obviously do not have any problems with Obama having close friends who want to push our nation into socialism.
Please answer my questions as I gave you the courtesy in answering your questions.

Posted by: Flanneryoops | October 26, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

If Karlosaka won’t answer my questions, any Obama supporter is welcome to.

Posted by: Flanneryoops | October 26, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

Okay, kool-aid drinkers, will someone please explain how Obama’s plan to increase taxes on businesses & capital gains will create economic growth rather than stifle it?

Posted by: 42n82bfearless | October 27, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am

None of these Obama supporters either do not remember or do not know during the Jimmy Carter era, families from the middle class on down had trouble putting food on their tables every single night, and some nights they just were not able to do it at all.
They do not remember or do not know small business owners were not able to pay their employees their wages and that bartering became a way of being able to make some ends meet.
They do not remember or know about the long gasoline lines.
They do not know or remember what it was like to only have handme downs as their wardrobe.
They do not know or remember how many of the middle class on down could not even fathom the notion to be able to attend college.
Today, there are millions of kids from middle class on down who attend college and are now able to get ahead in life.
They do not remember or do not know the masses (both democrat & republican)voting for the republicans to come into office after Jimmy Carter’s run.

Posted by: Flanneryoops | October 27, 2008, 3:15 am 3:15 am

It might not be the best thing in the world to let one party have total control but it is a lot better than letting failed leaders back in power. The republicans controlled both congress and white house for six years and failed to do anything worth while, then two years ago the democrats go the majority of congress but not enough seats to balance out a large minority of republicans in congress and a republican president. To me the majority of the people who make up the congress need to be kicked out and thrown in guantanamo bay along with our screw up of a president who has done nothing in the past eight years.

Posted by: Nathan | October 27, 2008, 5:22 am 5:22 am

We’ve already had the Contract for America back in the 90s and early 2000s. It failed and now the pendulum has swung back towards the left. It is not the people’s turn to drive government towards helping the middle class out of this crisis. The rich and the greedy to which Bush has enriched tremendously in the last 8 years should now be rewarded with much higher taxes. No more corporate welfare. No tax breaks to the oil companies. More unionization and a living wage. Universal healthcare on the order of what is given to senators and congressmen. It’s clear the private sector is not helping things and just increases premiums and copays and deductibles to the point a person might as well not have insurance at all.

Posted by: Bob | October 27, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am

McCain must be thinking about the nighmare when neo-con Republicans had complete control and screwed things up so bad that it resulted in the fiscal disaster we have today. Republicans these days aren’t real Republicans. True Republicans believe in fiscal responsibility and smaller government. These fools today took a huge surplus and had a big “party” for all of their rich donors and then this mentally deficient president handed us catastrophic running debt as the result of his efforts to be a wartime president. Our children’s children will be paying it off. Meanwhile, the imbecile-in-chief has grown the government and Republican efforts at deregulating the financial industry has sent the global economy in a meltdown. And McCain is warning about Democrat rule? Nothing could be worse than Republican rule. Their way has been proven to be a COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE.

Posted by: DaveM | October 27, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

Flanneryoops wrote: “None of these Obama supporters either do not remember or do not know during the Jimmy Carter era, families from the middle class on down had trouble putting food on their tables every single night, and some nights they just were not able to do it at all.
They do not remember or do not know small business owners were not able to pay their employees their wages and that bartering became a way of being able to make some ends meet.
They do not remember or know about the long gasoline lines.”
——————————-
What a selective memory! I remember the long gas lines – I was worried I wouldn’t be able to drive home from college for a friend’s wedding – when Nixon was president!
Nixon instituted “wage and price controls” which hamstrung American industry. Ford did little more than pass out “WIN” buttons that read: “Whip Inflation Now”.
But somehow Jimmy Carter should have instantly solved the mess he inherited?
Not that Carter was a wonder, but I spent 9 months after college trying to find a job. I began work on Jan. 20, 1976: the day Carter was inaugurated.

Posted by: Mickey | October 27, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am

We’ve seen the disasterous results of a Republican controlled gov’t for 6 yrs. We’ve seen the vetos of a divided Congress and a Republican President. America needs change. Big change. The only way we have a hope of getting it, is by putting the Dems in control. The Republican party is in disarray. They need to dissolve or decide what their message will be.

Posted by: Recovering Republican | October 27, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

If Obama wanted to emulate McCain’s attack ads, we would hear robocalls in the Heartland informing America’s patriots that McCain:
a) was in the pocket of former Lincoln Savings & Loan president and convicted criminal Charles Keating;
b) was buddies with fellow convicted criminal Republicans Ted Stevens, Tom Delay, Scooter Libby, Bob Allen, Trent Lott, Jack Abramoff, Don Young, Larry Craig, Randy “Duke” Cunningham, Tom Feeney, Alberto Gonzoles, Bob Ney, Rick Renzi, Richard Curtis, Steven Griles, Mark Foley…etc;
c) accepted political donations from the Watergate convicted criminal G. Gordon Liddy;
d) picked a runningmate mired in scandal (Troopergate) and has acted “unethical” according to her own people – - and doctored expense reports to bilk her taxpayers;
e) gave up information to his communist captors in North Vietnam, whereas other American prisoners did NOT;
McCain has a lot to answer for. You can’t call yourself patriot while voting for criminals

Posted by: umtomcat | October 27, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

PLEASE focus on this one issue:
One Presidential candidate opposes taking of innocent pre-born life for any reason other than to save the life of the mother.
Barack Obama is the other candidate and he cannot find any reason to oppose abortion at any time for any purpose. Four times he attempted to block doctors and nurses from aiding
any child who survived an abortion attempt
Vital Questions for each of us:
1. What is abortion?
2. Should I as an ordinary citizen untouched by abortion care about what happens an average of 3,597 times 24/7/360 in the United States?
Should I care that it is the leading cause of death among African-Americans? Should I care that it is the most common surgical procedure performed in the US?
Should I care that more pre-born children have been aborted before their first breath than all Latin-American citizens (the largest minority group in the United States)?
Should I care if Barack Obama pledges to make the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) his first presidential priority so no states can impose ANY RESTRICTION over abortion?
Answers:
1) Abortion is a procedure to eliminate a pre-born human being by killing it prior to birth.
2) You decide what you care about. Can we still call ourselves ‘civilized’ by taking the most innocent lives in our nation? 45 million and counting . . .

Posted by: David DINO | October 28, 2008, 7:12 am 7:12 am

I don’t know why McCain is so worried about unitary Democratic rule for a while or about spreading the wealth. What he is doing is talking in code, meaning that he is worried the rich might have to pay their fair share, but he’s going to use his rhetoric to scare average people. ___ McCain, by supporting the Wall Street Bailout just spread a lot of wealth to Wall Street hedge fund managers and bankers. He’s not against spreading the wealth, he’s against spreading it to average people.
And one of the first points that need to be made is that the Republican party HAD UNITARY RULE OF BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE and during their reign, the Republican party practiced SOCIALISM FOR THE RICH. They shared the wealth with oil companies, pharmaceuticals, bankers, Iraqi government officials, the top 5 percent of income earners (the Bush Tax-Cuts)and all kinds of largesse to lobbyists. I don’t see why McCain brings up the bugbear of spreading the wealth at this point. He himself spread the wealth with all kinds of people during his own 26 year stint in Congress. So why all of a sudden is he so concerned if Obama wants to return even a little bit of the stolen loot back to the beleaguered middle class and working poor taxpayers who are being eaten alive by cost of living and being thrown out of their homes. He didn’t mind sharing the wealth with his rich buddies during the Keating 5 scandal or in later years. He even at one time railed against the Bush tax cuts as being unfair to the middle class and poor, but now during the election he has changed his mind and supports more tax giveaways to his rich friends, but will never spread the wealth to average American citizens who might be homeless or jobless at the moment. They all DID work and pay into the system but once they’ve been leveraged out, he forgets them. The ones that are left are made to do all the work and pay the tax bills and are also being cheated out of their future and their retirement savings. _____Why is John McCain so afraid that average people might get some help when he and his party engineeered the economic meltdown that put us all in the poorhouse? Does it strike anyone but me as a huge double standard and two-faced hypocrisy on the part of the Republicans and the McCain campaign? . I guess the country is finally catching on to the fact that Reverse-Robinhood, Trickle-Down, Reaganomics doesn’t work and only serves to increase our debt and ruin the economy. The desperate efforts by McCain to label any reasonable economic policy as “socialist” or “Marxist” is pathetic.

Posted by: wurzelbacher_ | October 28, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am

To NuYo:
Good point. I’m a Christian, and I do believe in the Bible, which is why my family contributes both time and money to helping the poor – we volunteer at the local Mission to feed the homeless once a month, we volunteer with Habitat for Humanity, we donate food baskets to the Southwest Indians Association, sponsor a family for Christmas, etc.
HOWEVER, we are voting for John McCain. There are several reasons for this.
First of all, there is a big difference between voluntary contributions by individuals vs. giving the money to government to redistribute. According to many reports I have read, the government is so inefficient, if it was a private charity, it would be ashamed. Only 30% of the money set aside by government for welfare, for example, actually goes to the people who need it. However, when I contribute to some local Christian charities, such as the mission, over 90% goes to the people in need. For example, at the mission – when we donate food, all of it goes to the people. When we donate money, since it’s mostly volunteers serving, 90% of the money goes to help people.
Evidence of government incompetence can be seen in the response to Katrina – the Salvation Army had mobile food kitchens down there and the Red Cross had mobile first aid units, but both were turned away by Louisiana authorities under Gov. Blanco, who also refused Bush’ offer of National Guard troops at first. Bush, of course, didn’t help matters by not being more pushy. While the government dithered, the Baptists organized teams to go down there with bottled water, diapers, etc., and then more teams were sent to help people re-build. my Presbyterian church and others opened up our church basements as temporary sleeping quarters for refugees, we got volunteers to drive refugees and others to cook for them or to provide a listening ear and a hug. The local Episcopals set up a legal defense fund for the refugees and access to professional counseling.
Basically, there is more accountability, flexibility and compassion when people volunteer vs. when they just let the government take control.
If the government increases my taxes, that means I will have less to give. Unfortunately, it’s not a 1:1 ratio – for every dollar the government takes from me, it will only provide 30 cents worth of service.
Additionally, by providing a framework for dependency, the government also increases the likelihood the next generation will be dependent.
Prior to the War on Poverty authored by LBJ, the black family had less than 10% out-of-wedlock birth rates, and this was in an age of horrible discrimination. Now that rate is 70%, but the chances of a child graduating from school, etc., decrease when the child comes from a broken home.
Jesus said the poor will always be with us, which means we will never have the utopia of no poverty. However, we can greatly diminish the effects of poverty by loving and thoughtful acts of charity. Unfortunately, government beauracracies are lacking in both love and thoughtfulness, and throwing more money at the problem is not going to help if the money is not carefully managed.
If you want to really help poor people, the best way – join an adult literacy program, helping someone to learn to read. Tutor an inner city child. Volunteer to serve healthy meals to the homeless. Help an abused woman with her resume, so she can find a job and escape her situation. Mentor an immigrant and help them assimilate. All of these will do more good than letting the government take and waste more money.

Posted by: Shefali | October 28, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Per Biden today taxes will be increased for those with family income of $150,000 not $250,000.

Posted by: Scoundrels | October 28, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

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