Oct 19, 2008 6:22am

One Other Thought About the “Real” Virginia

One other thought about McCain adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer’s assertion Saturday that Northern Virginia isn’t the "real" Virginia.

Um…isn’t the Pentagon in Northern Virginia?

Didn’t 184 people die there on 9/11 at the hands of terrorists?

– jpt

User Comments

Obama raised $150 Million in September!

Posted by: Alek | October 19, 2008, 6:33 am 6:33 am

Someone needs to tell John McCain that Saul Alinsky died in 1972, Obama was only 10. It is unlikely that Obama was palling around with him back then….

Posted by: Joel | October 19, 2008, 6:44 am 6:44 am

As if it isn’t obnoxious enough that McCain/Palin are playing the Rove divide American against American, they’re now playing parts of states against other parts of states.
I guess that McCain, Palin and Rep. Bachman believe that the only real Americans are the ones who vote for them. That’s not how it works here. We’re all Americans.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 19, 2008, 6:52 am 6:52 am

I am a real Virginian my name is Patrick Henry the same as the patriot who was kicked out of the Virginia Colonial Militia because he saw the future and denied the KIng of England before many others saw fit to do so.
We are back to claim our country from the Regal Despots once again !!

Posted by: cpathenry | October 19, 2008, 7:33 am 7:33 am

Let me get this right….with just over two weeks before the election, Obama suddenly is a Socialist? When the wealthy have to pay a bit more taxes, Obama is Socialist. When the wealthy & corporations receive tax breaks & the middle class & small business have to pick up the slack, it isn’t Socialism or a “redistribution of wealth”? Got it.

Posted by: Jackson | October 19, 2008, 7:36 am 7:36 am

i am glad this is almost over, if it goes on much longer, who knows what mccain and his crew really think, i don’t want to know.
these people and their talk are dangerous.

Posted by: B.O.B | October 19, 2008, 7:37 am 7:37 am

Technically yes. But we in the hinterlands look at DC as a big hole that we drop our money into. It doesn’t take too big a genius to look at the quality of life that we provide for the massive numbers of Government employees and then look around our communities and see companies, often regulated and taxed out of business, leave communities for greener pastures overseas to stay in business.
I for one am happy to see anyone with a good paying job with a career path but when people working in similar jobs in the “real world” are constantly underpressure to be productive, have lower wages than their government counterparts then something is wrong.
Yes Northern Virgina you are part of Virginia but you are more part of bloated DC than you are of your brethen elsewhere in the state.

Posted by: david | October 19, 2008, 7:51 am 7:51 am

I said when George Bush won his Second Term as America’s worst PRESIDENT that when Jan. 2009 rolled by the grass won’t grow on the White House Lawn because there won’t be any money for fertilzer…..since the grass is still green I suppose they are using the MCCAIN/PALIN speeches for fertilzer. Joyce Enderle

Posted by: Joyce Enderle | October 19, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am

Barack Obama raised $150m this month!
Enough to take on McCain and his slime machine!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 19, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am

632,000 new donors, for a total of 3.1 million total to date. Average contribution: $86.

Posted by: Mike NC | October 19, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am

Whats next is Bush going to declare marshal law and jail all Obama supporters ?
Will Bush install McCain President ?
I cant wait for this to be over!
Obama supporters USE YOUR POWER AND VOTE!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 19, 2008, 8:33 am 8:33 am

From ABC News/Washington Post:
Is your opinion of Sen. Obama better or worse after the debates?
Better 36, worse 12
Is your opinion of Sen. McCain better or worse after the debates?
Worse 26, better 20

Posted by: Mike NC | October 19, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am

Gop are so skillfully divisive.
Patriotic / Unpatriotic
Pro american/ Anti American
Real Virginia / Fake(?) Virginia
Whatelse?

Posted by: zen | October 19, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am

Look, it is McCain that has sabotaged his own campaign. He has shown a penchant for drama (Palin pick, suspending his campaign, etc) rather than articulating an idea and sticking with it (as Bush/Cheney did in 2004).
Ultimately, in a year of “change”, I think a lot of people still want steadiness from their leaders.

Posted by: MIguy | October 19, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am

Obama raised $150 Million in September!
Obama will raise your taxes in January!

Posted by: Richard J. | October 19, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am

Colin Powell? Like how many votes is he going to change?
When he was Secretary of State for George Bush how many black votes did he swing for Bush in 2004? Answer: None.
And wasn’t it Colin Powell at the UN pushing his “Saddam has WMD” song and dance? And wasn’t it Colin Powell in charge of the military in the first attempt to get Saddam and failed?

Posted by: Will Stanton | October 19, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Jake – let us set aside for a moment that you are in the tank for Obama.
What the person was meaning when she was remarking the “real Virginia” is comparable to saying that New York City or Hollywood are not the “real America”.
We got what the Virginia reference meant, you are being silly.
Just put “Jake Tapper endorses Barack Obama” at the top of your blog and get it out of your system – quit hiding in the closet trying to pretend to be an objective, balanced journalist.

Posted by: Thelma | October 19, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am

Jake, get over it.
Obama’s people said that Gary, Indiana (in fact all of Lake County) was not like Indiana, but rather actually more a suburb of Chicago, Illinois. All their media comes from chicago and demographically, it’s more like Chicago because people who work in Chicago have commuted farther and farther and actuallly live in NW Indiana. Indiana has been typicaly republican in all other areas of the state.
So where’s your story on that? Neither one is a story, because both correctly identify an assertion that a piece of a state is not politically like the rest of the state.

Posted by: Lara | October 19, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am

jpt writes:
“Um…isn’t the Pentagon in Northern Virginia?”

Posted by: Belle Starr | October 19, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

Im glad someone mentioned Bachmann.I was also glad ,that in one hour after her comments,over $30.000 was donated to her opponent.

Posted by: peggy | October 19, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

“General Powell seems to realize that there has been a fascist shift in America and it must be reversed if the Republic is to survive.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | October 19, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

Yes, but, according to Pfotenhauer’s logic, they weren’t “real” people. So much for the “Straight Talk Express,” which has apparently been derailed

Posted by: chuck | October 19, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Barack Obama raised $150m this month!
Enough to take on McCain and his slime machine!
Posted by: Mike NC | Oct 19, 2008 8:08:42 AM
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This shows just how much people want Republicans out of power and the White House.

Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | October 19, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

seems to me…
- it is the minority lunatic fringe of the right wing that ‘knows’ where and who the ‘real americans’ are… they also seems to have access to the ‘real god’….. crazed wild eyed Bachmen wants the government investigated for ‘ant-’american activities and beliefs…..
If there was ever a real life example of Orwell’s ‘Big Brother’ it is the Republican party.

Posted by: Blue | October 19, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

The only constants of the McCain campaign have been wacky behavior, comments in poor taste, and a general utter lack of class.
They expect voters to put them in the White House? These people are so inept and classless they don’t even deserve to be allowed on a White House tour.

Posted by: Bud | October 19, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

Jake, as you know, the Pentagon is merely a military post occupied by the winners of the War of Northern Aggression. As soon as they are repelled, many of our former pieces of property will happily return to our homes and fileds in “real” Virginia.
That’s what Nancy of the McCain campaign meant to say.

Posted by: ricky | October 19, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

Real Virginia is to Northern Virginia as Upstate NY is to NYC. I know, because I’ve lived in both places. I’m happily a member of the former in either case.

Posted by: J Robinson | October 19, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

That’s why they’re losing.
Obama unites the country and McCain is pitting one against the other.
after 8 years of have “the DECIDER”
WE want “the UNITER”!

Posted by: Diane | October 19, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

I find it rather humorous (and maybe a little sad) that in an effort to identify with us common folk, the common, “Joes” as it were, the McCain campaign is impugning the entire community where the spokesperson and the candidate himself live and is headquartered.
To wit, Ms. Pfotenhauer lives in Oakton, VA (which is in Northern Virginia, not the “real” Virginia). McCain owns a 3-bedroom condo in Arlington, VA (which is also in Northern Virginia, not the “real” Virginia) and his campaign headquarters is in Mclean, VA (still in Northern Virginia, last I checked).
If this is such a “huge” issue for the campaign, why don’t they move their operations to Richmond, or to Winchester, or Blacksburg, down to where us common folks live and not near that big, ole scary and godlessly liberal Washington, D.C. Booooo!!! Then again, the areas where they live have a larger per capita income as compared with the rest of the state.
Hmmmm…. Maybe they just say they want to identify with us commoners while still “palling around” with the wealthy…. Hypocrisy anyone?

Posted by: John | October 19, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

Look,
i’m a life-long virginian who has lived in several parts of the state. For 23 years I lived in the southeastern part of the state. Half of that time I lived near the Norfolk naval base and the other half I lived 9 miles from the north carolina line.
Both of these cities I’m referring to voted for Kerry and also voted for our current democratic governor Tim Kaine.
It’s true that the northern part of the state (metro DC area) is more democratic, but Loudon county, only one county away from West Virginia has also been voting democratic. So to have areas from the most northern part of the state to the most southern go democratic means the state (much of the state) is going that way. Period. It’s a demographic fact. Ms. P for McCain doesn’t know what she’s talking about, and neither do any of you trying to defend her.

Posted by: eliza | October 19, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

The problem is that all the parts of America are “real” in somebody’s perspective. We can pit these “realities” against each other or we can get them to work together.
Acknowleding and leveraging the diversity of the country is part of its strength should be at the center of a successful presidential candidate’s campaign.
On an unrelated note, wasn’t the part of Virginia in question part of the original DC cession that was ceded back to VA due to slavery issues in the capital?

Posted by: OneObservation | October 19, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

And I believe it was New York City, East Coast headquarters of fake America, that was also attacked on 9/11.
Maybe this explains why the Republicans never caught Osama bin Laden. They didn’t really believe America had been attacked!

Posted by: anonymiss | October 19, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Hey, so called Belle Starr, I’m a real Shirley, a real Lee, a person of Virginia heritage and not un-American because I am voting for Obama. I am voting for him and Biden because they are SMART and we’ve had enough of intellectually vacuous spoiled brats who send other people’s children off to war so they can line their trust fund pockets while in office. Do you feel you are safer or better off now than you were before the little git-off-the old-block got into office? Then vote for the old man who has pandered to the far far right just to get a base. But if you’d like to see this country pull together and become the great power it was meant to be once again, guided by intelligence and reverence for the Constitution, vote for Obama.

Posted by: Linda | October 19, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

Linda – Hey don’t go after Belle Star. She’s been planted here for months, pretending to be a Hillary supporter. Now she’s pretending to be a Nader supporter while she spouts Limbaugh attacks on Obama that are always unfounded and sometimes downright hilarious. Every site needs its plant. Did she say whe was from Virginia this time?

Posted by: mara | October 20, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am

Yup. The Pentagon – most of the people who died there, most of Congress and lots and lots and lots of military families. The Palins just don’t get out much. I understood her comments about Europe – but gee, if they can afford three houses, three boats, a plane, and many many snowmobiles, it seems like they could take the kids on a trip to the nation’s capital. But maybe that is not what you do when Daddy is a secessionist.
Tucker Eskew, who tried to destroy John McCain and his family in 2000, and now works for McCain lives in northern Virginia too. John and Cindy also have a house there – one of seven? Or eight?

Posted by: mara | October 20, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am

Can you believe how rich McCain is? More and more seems to get out everyday. His Mama is an oil heiress. She buys cars the way we buy candy bars. How in the world does this phoney get off telling working people what its like to try to make a living. Does he have the slighest clue how it feels when you can’t give your kids what they need? Like a trip to the doctor? And don’t dare tell me that the people who can’t do that don’t work. My father worked two jobs until he was almost 80. But there is one thing he had in abundance. Honor. And McCain doesn’t have a shred of it left.

Posted by: mara | October 20, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am

My question is: will a vote from someone in ‘real virginia’ count more than a vote from someone in ‘fake Virginia’? And, can we get the press to do a ‘penetrating investigation’ into these supposed voters in ‘fake virginia’ to determine which ones are against America? Who’s running the GOP these days, Josef Goebbels?

Posted by: Albert Ronzo | October 20, 2008, 3:00 am 3:00 am

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