By Julia Hoppock

Oct 4, 2008 9:32am

Palin-Biden Debate Sets VP Ratings Records

Almost 70 million Americans tuned in to watch the vice presidential debate this week, according to Nielsen, making the Sen. Joe Biden/Gov. Sarah Palin sparring the third most-viewed debate of either presidential or vice presidential candidates since 1992.

The 69.99 million viewers compares thusly with previous No. 2 romps:

43.6 million watched Vice President Dick Cheney debate then-Sen. John Edwards, D-NC, (yes, he was once unquestionably a plausible candidate) in 2004.

29 million watched Cheney debate Sen. Joe Lieberman (yes, he was once a Democrat) in 2000.

26.6 million watched then-Vice President Al Gore and former Rep. Jack Kemp, D-NY, go at it in 1996.

51.2 million watched Gore debate then-Vice President Dan Quayle and Admiral James Stockdale ("Who am I? Why am I here?") in 1992.

46.9 million watched Quayle debate the late then-Sen. Lloyd Bentsen, D-Texas, ("You’re no Jack Kennedy") in 1988.

56.7 million tuned in to watch then-Vice President George H.W. Bush debate then-Rep. Geraldine Ferraro, D-NY, (yes, she was once unquestionably a Democrat once) in 1984.

For that matter, 52.4 million watched the presidential debate last week between Senator Whats-his-name* and Barack Obama.

More at James Hibberd’s The Live Feed.

– jpt

* For the humor impaired, this is just a joking reference to how much media attention Gov. Palin has garnered and the intense public interest in her, and the McCain campaign’s not entirely ill-founded complaints earlier this campaign that they have had trouble getting media attention for the man at the top of the ticket. Please relax.

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Posted by: Democrats No More | October 4, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am

His name is Senator McCain.

Posted by: Lupe | October 4, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am

That’s a lot of people who watched Biden wipe the floor with Palin as she tried desperately to avoid thinking on her feet and answering tough questions.
The McCain campain is in deep trouble. I expect them to start launching deseperate personal attacks on Obama from now on, while ignoring the issues. I don’t think Americans are going to respond well to it either. We’re hurting too much and want answers, not political attacks.

Posted by: Mike | October 4, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am

People tuned in to see Palin and Senator What’s-his-face,
As they tuned in to see Obama and Senator What’s-his-face
The Real question is: Why Obama/Biden REFUSE to engage in MORE debates with McCain/Palin?

Posted by: Michael | October 4, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

Governor Palin did very well for herself.
Joe Biden merely did well for Obama.
But I have not yet heard anyone from any side express any concern about the most dangerous possibility if Governor Palin is elected to national office:

Posted by: Burr Deming | October 4, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

Just wait til they pull out Internet 2 and you will have to subscribe to this channell to read this drivel.

Posted by: hmn | October 4, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

That was a much better debate than the previous one. Perhaps Tuesday won’t be a snoozer.
Palin is free of the handlers now. Expect to see more of her out making the case for reducing taxes, getting rid of the corruption in Washington and on Wall Street, and ensuring our soldiers come home in victory.
Meanwhile, Obama has tough questions to answer coming up. His hand in the financial crisis at the grassroots is showing. He talks about bottom-up campaigns but he personally helped create the bottom-up credit crunch with his lawsuits against banks forcing them to give out subprime loans.

Posted by: len | October 4, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

That’s great news for the Obama camp. Majority of the viewers believe Biden won.
CNN
Biden 51 Palin 36
CBS
Biden 46 Palin 24
FoxNews (not the online poll)
Biden 61 Palin 2– (In the 20s)

Posted by: Vanessa | October 4, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

jpt writes:
“Sen. John Edwards, D-NC, (yes, he was once unquestionably a plausible candidate once)”

Posted by: Belle Starr | October 4, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Sarah showed how to field dress a donkey.
While wearing high heels.

Posted by: Reader | October 4, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

“Palin is free of the handlers now. Expect to see more of her out making the case for reducing taxes, getting rid of the corruption in Washington and on Wall Street, and ensuring our soldiers come home in victory.”
Free from handlers?
Len, YOU know the talking points better than she does.
Which is why she will not be doing anything but rallies and friendly media until the election.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 4, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

AMERICANS TUNED TO WATCH SARAH PALIN
NOT JOE BIDEN-A POLITICIAN WITH 35 YEARS
IN WASHINGTON-.
70 MILLION,FIRST TIME FOR VP DEBATES..
McCAIN/PALIN ’08

Posted by: ROBERT | October 4, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

palin won by 85% on fox news i was watching when they talked about it after wards and she didnt have to lie like biden did she was great

Posted by: david | October 4, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

I think lot of people must have tuned in for the comedy factor. I must say sarah did not disappoint, her constant dodging of questions and her rehearsed answers and attacks were pretty comical to watch. Poor girl, the republicans are using her for her looks. (BTW I am neither democrat or republican, I am a foriegn national visiting the US temporarily)

Posted by: Kannan | October 4, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

“For that matter, 52.4 million watched the presidential debate last week between Senator Whats-his-name and Barack Obama.”
Oh thats not at all biased. Maybe ABC should have some better reporters that share all sides of the news and not try to spread their own beliefs. If you want to be funny write for The Daily Show not ABC News.

Posted by: Jordan | October 4, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

“For Sarah Palin, Thursday’s night’s debate was an open-book exam. She spent much of the evening methodically reading and rehearsing answers from “carefully scripted talking points.” Palin’s notes were largely hidden from plain view, resting behind the lectern where she stood. Because the cable and network television stations did not show a split screen of the debate, most viewers could not see that, during Joe Biden’s answers, Palin spent almost all her time looking down and studiously reading her notes. But viewers did see that when Palin delivered her answers, she would repeatedly glance down to check her talking points. ThinkProgress has compiled a video documenting some of the instances where it was clear to the audience that Palin was propped up by written responses. /

Posted by: Angellight | October 4, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

funny how the truth now matters as her performance was all 7 talking points, insults and made up facts.
everyone is starting to see it all coming apart
facts matter in statements in a debate…
too bad Ifill was bullied into ignoring that they do.
atleast a couple of days starts to show clarity.
she is the worst VP nominee in the history of our country.
and all the distractions and made up truths can’t cover that.

Posted by: dl | October 4, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

For that matter, 52.4 million watched the presidential debate last week between Senator Whats-his-name and Barack Obama.
Just what is the purpose of that?

Posted by: tin | October 4, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Republican/Fox news logic:
Sarah Palin didn’t answer any of the questions, therefore she won.

Posted by: Charles | October 4, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

So dl, do you want to answer to the facts involving Obama’s associations with mob figures, his work for ACORN subverting democracy, and his personal hand in the financial crisis through suing banks to give out subprime loans?
Ryan?
This isn’t about talking points. It’s about justice. Justice is something we only have when people ensure we get it. If you subvert that or deny that, you join the bad guys.

Posted by: len | October 4, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

Angellight – I watched the debate on C-Span which kept a split screen throughout, except when the Biden side blacked out for a short time. Most of the time when Biden was speaking Palin stared straight at the camera and smiled. She looked at and kept notes when the other was speaking not all that much more than Biden did. Not, at least, so that I noticed. An edited and spliced together compilation is not worth much.
It was obvious that she was reciting talking points, but I think she did memorize most of them, and she delivered them reasonably well.
By any objective measure Biden crushed her. The only reason anyone can argue otherwise is that the expectations for her were so low that she far exceeded the expectations for herself much more than Biden exceeded the expectations for him.

Posted by: Alan | October 4, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

palin won by 85% on fox news i was watching when they talked about it after wards and she didnt have to lie like biden did she was great…
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Uh, Davie boy, hate to tell you:
CBS Biden 46% Palin 21%
CNN: Biden 51% Palin 36%
FOX NEWS: Biden 61% Palin 39%
MSNBC: Biden 52% Palin 38%
AOL: Biden 48% to Palin 45%
MediaCurves: Biden 67% to Palin 33%.
Survey USA: Biden 51% Palin 32%
But don’t let the facts get in the way. Palin didn’t. If you see fact check, she told just as many distortions as Biden.

Posted by: Your Self Delusion is not Healthy | October 4, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

For that matter, 52.4 million watched the presidential debate last week between Senator Whats-his-name and Barack Obama.
WTH is this? ABC “News” won’t even mention Senator John McCain’s name in an article concerning politics? What a crock of BS! But what else can we expect from the “All Barack Channel”. In all my life I have never seen the big 3 “news” media so in-the-tank and constantly plugging away for their latest liberal messiah. I have absolutely no respect for the big three news organiztions whatsoever as they’re nothing but puppet mouthpieces for their liberal (closet communist) masters.

Posted by: PaulK | October 4, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am

Talking points? The only talking point Obama/Biden have is “4 more years”. Which unless you are completely uninformed is a farce. They offer nothing else except the lie that they wont raise taxes on the middle class. How else do they expect to pay for the trillion dollars in socialist programs they are promoting when their tax the rich plan actually lowers tax revenues.

Posted by: Ron | October 4, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

Wow! “I’m not gonna answer your questions, I’m gonna say what I want to say” (what I was told to say). If this country is ever so miserably unfortunate as to have this “maverick” as president (quite a possibility given McCain’s age), you can just hear her follow Bush’s example and say “I’m not gonna obey this law that congress passed because “I AM THE PRESIDENT” In the old west wild mustangs (mavericks) weren’t ANY good until they were tamed.
Given HER complete ignorance of national and international politics, she will be under somebody’s control in Washington; You can just see Cheney pushing his way to the head of the line

Posted by: all | October 4, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am

I thought the VP debate was irrelevant. Since both presidential candidates voted for the bailout and to further destroy the dollar the only thing of relevance is the positions of the Third Party candidates. That is where all our attention should now be directed.
Bob Barr, Libertarian
Chuck Baldwin, Constitution Party
Ralph Nader, Independent
Cynthia McKinney, Green

Posted by: Carol | October 4, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Palin whipped some old man booty. No one can say anything that would lead me to believe otherwise. She will be the next president and I will be so happy
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Hahahaha. That’s funny stuff.
I say again, self delusion is not healthy.

Posted by: Your Self Delusion is not Healthy | October 4, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

Sarah Palin for President!!
Especially if she keeps winking the way she does, stops my heartbeat every single time. ;-)

Posted by: Joebama | October 4, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

Sarah never answered a question during the debate. She should that she can wink on TV, smile a lot, and answer snippets of drivel fed to her by the Bush cronies now running McCains campaign. She also showed she didn’t have control of the facts as most of what she said was wrong, even her support for some of McCain’s policies were incorrect. Her comments about expanding the role of VP because the Constitution says you can shows she doesn’t have a clue what is in the Constitution and how truly dangerous she is. Nope…Sarah Palin showed the world she is out of her league.
BTW…did anyone read the Sept 15, 2005 Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman report about her son being involved in vandalism of Wasilla school busses, then being sent to Portage, MI for “Hockey Camp.” I’m originally from MI and Portage does has not hockey camp; however, it does have a reform school.

Posted by: algwriter | October 4, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Lieberman is still Dem, but we’re hoping it won’t be long til he’s on the right side of the aisle since he’ll be demoted and pushed out by Reid after November.

Posted by: robert b | October 4, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

Will the policies of Bush/Cheney/McCain/Palin push us into another Republican Depression? You betcha. ;)

Posted by: hamishdad | October 4, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am

How sad that we permit Senator McCain to lie to us about his VP pick. She is not prepared to be Vice President. She has a very simplistic limited view of the severe problems this country faces. She says that she will stop the greed and coruption in Government and Wall street, then states that government is the problem and that the it should get out of the way. Masybe her use of witch doctors is her answer to our problems. God I hope will spare us this disaster. If the Palin-McCain ticket wins and she redesigns the Vice Presidents roll we will be in big trouble.

Posted by: Edward Mercado | October 4, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Watching the debate made me glad I made the parody: “Sarah Palin Sings Popular!”

Posted by: Gnormb | October 4, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Thank Mohammed that Sarah Palin decided to answer the questions America wants to hear answers for instead of the moderator’s questions. I really admire strong women! Wink at me all you want babe, if it makes the liberal left crazy-wink both eyes and maybe they’ll go away.

Posted by: Deborah Harry | October 4, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Former Hillary Supporters are not backing Obama. The Obamabots will say differently as results of their drive by polls mean virtually nothing.

Posted by: Democrats No More | October 4, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

Whoever is foolish enough to believe that corparations actually pay taxes is a fool–thus the entire democratic party is a fool. All expenses paid by a corperation are passed to you the consumer, including taxes. Vote McCain, not the foolish socailist liberals who crush corparate growth, thus constricting the job market.

Posted by: CHRIS | October 4, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

“Palin whipped some old man booty. No one can say anything that would lead me to believe otherwise. She will be the next PRESIDENT and I will be so happy” [emphasis added] — Nobama
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I think you may have just proven Jake Tapper right about “Senator What’s-his-name.”

Posted by: Jessica B. | October 4, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

IF YOU’RE INSANE….
VOTE FOR McCAIN!!!

Posted by: tired of it all | October 4, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Palin’s performance in the debate only reinforced that she is good at what she trained for in college – to speak to the camera as all television journalists do. All I see when she is in front of the camera is a tv news anchor. Her grammar is embarrassing, and her style of winks/smiles tells the world that she really is missing her calling by staying in politics. Unfortunately she has a very annoying voice, or she could easily be lead anchor for Entertainment Tonight. It is extremely difficult to listen to her speak.
Her repetitious, canned answers/responses to questions and statements only proved that she spent several days with coaches cramming for her “final exam”. The thought of that woman, Ms Palin, possibly stepping into the position of Commander in Chief if McCain were incapacitated or died due to age/health issues, is enough for me to steer clear of that ticket. She needs to head back to the remoteness of Alaska after Obama is elected.

Posted by: PaizPlease | October 4, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

Dear David,
Well I didn’t check the ratings after the VP debates so quite possibly your information that Palin was at an 85% rating after the debates could very well be false. In any case the fact that you got this information off of FOX news does not bode well for you considering it is totally bias. FOX news channel has been notoriously known as a REPUBLICAN news channel anyone who has seen Hannity and Colmes would know that, just like CNN has been known as a democratic news channel.
Get your facts from more than one place in the future and people will take you a lot more seriously.

Posted by: Rachel | October 4, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

Deborah Harry: Sarah Palin finally got to answer the questions America wants to hear??? Instead of answering the moderator’s questions??? Well, poor Sarah, she’s been locked up all this time by the left-wing press!! Oh, wait a minute! Make that the McCain campaign! How out of touch the McCain campaign is with what America wants to hear!
And I guess we’ve had so much exposure to Sarah Palin that she doesn’t need to answer the questions someone else wants her to answer, so she can just go out and say what’s on her agenda, and the debate will be none the poorer.
It’s nice to know that Sarah Palin considers herself so much more in touch with America than — anyone else. “Palin” is actually a Greek word for “again” — go look it up. And she will be George Bush all over again.

Posted by: FredG | October 4, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

To you Republicans:
One day you can tell your grandchildren, during the historic election of 2008 I voted for the ticket of the Alzheimer’s patient and an imbecilic hockey-mom over a man who culminated the 500 year Black struggle of equality and racism by becoming President, forever changing this country. You can then put your good judgment right up there with the people who voted for Douglas over Lincoln, Hoover over Roosevelt, Nixon over Kennedy.

Posted by: Capd | October 4, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

If I may weigh in my observations…
I watched the debate for the same reason most people around the world watched (or listened) to this debate – because this election is a watershed moment. Whoever wins this election will greatly affect the course of the world. I think most people reading this will agree.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I frankly saw Gov. Palin as little more than a baffoon. During the moments that she was serious, she would quote talking points that belie her ignorance of domestic and international affairs. Quite frankly, 10-year-old kids don’t strap bombs to their chests because they “hate freedom”. They hate the U.S.’s support of Israel’s disregard for international law. They hate the fact that they have nothing to live for, nowhere to live in, and only their faith in a religion they feel is under attack to give them guidance.
Further, it is my observation that you cannot BOTH support the reduction of greenhouse gases and Arctic Drilling. The less we drill the better – let the market drive innovation through high gas prices, since all studies show people still drive their cars when the gas prices rise.
Finally – the only excuse I’ve ever read or heard regarding why people don’t want to vote for Obama this is not either a lie or an exaggeration is that he’s 50% black. I’ve read these previous posts, and I challenge the posters to actually PROVE their claims.
I don’t agree with ALL of Obama’s positions, but I feel he is the best choice among all the registered candidates (not just McCain). For me, it is this simple: McCain voted for the war in Iraq, so I refuse to ever support him for any public office.
I urge everyone to look over all of the evidence, and consider carefully your vote.
Above all, vote your conscience!

Posted by: Dr. Greg | October 4, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

“Sarah Palin for President!
Especially if she keeps winking the way she does, stops my heartbeat every time ;-)”
My God, you’re an idiot!

Posted by: anonymous | October 4, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

“Quite frankly, 10-year-old kids don’t strap bombs to their chests because they “hate freedom”. They hate the U.S.’s support of Israel’s disregard for international law. They hate the fact that they have nothing to live for, nowhere to live in, and only their faith in a religion they feel is under attack to give them guidance.”
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This.
Anyone who says it has ANYTHING to do with “hating our freedoms” is disingenuous at best. We can’t work for decades to mold the rest of the world for our own interests, then be shocked when it comes back to bite us in the ***.

Posted by: altoid | October 4, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

No one hates freedom other than the autocrat. Pepole who remove habeus corpus and throw people in other countries in prison with no trial and no prospect for freedom are the people who give freedom a bad name and terrorists a boost in numbers. Does Palin love freedom enough to take responsibility for Bush’s crimes?

Posted by: Bob | October 4, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

I find it funny when Palin’s handlers are telling us that she doesn’t have any time for interviews. She has done 3 (all very bad). I do not understand how you can have a newly-introduced person to the national stage, and not explaining where she stands on the issues.
She may smile, she may wink….but do you want her to deal with serious policy issues when talking with other leaders? Trust me, other county leaders do not care if she winks/smiles. I do not want a hockey mom to negotiate treaties and look after national interest.
Her lack of knowledge and facts was sad – almost just as sad as hearing people say how she did well.

Posted by: voter | October 4, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

The republicans refuse to ask the ultra rich to give their fair share to help us bear the grave challenges our nation faces today – with two wars and an economic crisis.
They refuse to tax the only people who can afford to bear the bill – the ultra rich. Instead they want to make the stuggling middle class bear the same burden as the ultra rich. They would rather borrow money from chinese but not tax the rich.
They dont understand it hurts a family living on 80000 dollar a year much more than the family living on 6 million dollars a year with the same tax rate. In these times of job loses and housing foreclosures the Republican thugs want the middle class whose jobs are on line pay the same burden as the super rich – like Rush Limbaugh, Cindy McCain and Bill ORielly.
Republicans have become a party of mean thugs.

Posted by: JSmith | October 4, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Palin outright ignored questions and was clearly coached on the entire thing. I wanted to like her. I wanted to agree with her – however anyone who says she held her own needs a serious reality check.
Biden had the majority of his facts straight, he answered questions directly, and kept to the topic at hand.
I will be voting for Obama/Biden this eleciton!

Posted by: Angela | October 4, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

Uh Jimmy. That is on one hand a total falacy. On the other reminiscent of attcks against Irish polititians in the last century men like Jack and Bobby Kennedy who helped to steer this nation away from global nucleur conflict and who helped to end the civil strife in this nation that bubbled into turmoil in the 1960′s. Those were good and decent men who proved their valor and have become a large portion of Americans. Its still a historical blight that Irish and Italian immigrants were treated in the way they were by other Americans. I thought we were farther removed than this in 2008. It isn’t 1908.
To see attacks about Obama because of his name. Because he is in part a first generation American saddens me. I am only 20 years old, this is my first election and I am not too far removed from my history classes. The point of civics education, of educating ourselves about history is to have educated voters who are unwilling to have the mistakes of history repeated.
The facts are not on your side and the intention and motivation for your attack is illuminating of the choice we have.
Barrack didn’t hit Hillary because Reverend Wright was her mairrage counselor in 1998. He hasn’t hit John McCain because he was the candidate actualy born outside of the U.S. he was Born in Panama. He also has never had to buy health insurance. His birth was overseen by Naval medics. His childhood bumbs and brusies taken care of again by Naval medics. His service in the senate and congress gives him the best insurance policy in the nation. He hasn’t hit McCain on his age 72. Hasn’t hit McCain on his health 3 time cancer survivor. McCain doesn’t get it both ways. If socialized medicine is not good enough for the country than it clearly isn’t good enough for a war hero and presidential candidate. I think its clear who has taken the high road because McCain Palin ticket has got more low hanging fruit (the keating 5) (troopergate) than almost any campaign in history.

Posted by: Bob | October 4, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

We’re thrilled with how well Sarah Six-pack did in the debate. Now McCain will have to keep her! That is exellent news, because we really want to run against her. Every time she has the courage to attempt an interview on TV another state on the electorial map turns blue! While she shored up her trailer-park base, the polls suggest that the independant voters were not at all impressed.

Posted by: Loki | October 4, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

I would rather vote for the person who had the foresight four years ago to know that Freddie and Fannie were in trouble. When Frank and Dodd were shaking their heads. Why would they want anyone checking into their cash cow. And guess who has pocketed $millions$ from that and Acorn! Mr. Black and his side-kick, Mr. White!!

Posted by: Eve | October 4, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

PALIN WON BIG
SHE STUNNED HER DETRACTORS
Reporters like Stephano.., Brian Williams ate crow that debate night!

Posted by: JKan | October 4, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

Ah, me. O.J. Simpson finally got found guilty…but for a crime other than the heinous one he committed years ago.
Similarly, not too long after leaving office, I believe that Bush, Cheney, and a large bunch of other pols will be found guilty of causing this country to go into a recession and subsequent financial nose dive.
It’s impossible for me to understand that reasonable, intelligent people accuse Democrats of raising taxes when Bush et al. have allowed the mortgage companies, banks, and Wall Street to collude to undermine the American housing industry and the financial base of America. Bush et al. lied outright and got our country into the most incredible debt over the war in Iraq. $10 billion every month. $120 billion a year. $720 over six years. (For now, I’ll just mention the set up of Americans and Iraqis killed in that bogus war–just so Cheney’s buddies could make massive profits.)
OK, people who are afraid of Dems raising taxes…where is all that money to pay these HUGE debts coming from? So far, it’s coming from the U.S. selling treasury bonds to…China.
So one more question, why did Pres. Bush wait to ask for the “bailout” until the fiscal problems with the banks and Wall Street were a disaster? Do you believe that the president, Fred Paulson, and Congress only heard about this imminent disaster one week before the money was needed? Common on, use those good brains.
I believe that they were holding off, hoping that the Democrats would be left with this disaster. Time will prove me and many, many others right.
But it’s up to you to see the truth not the garbage you’ve been led to believe. Think outside the lies to the truth. Do you really believe that so many of us want our taxes raised, that we don’t care about America because we’re progressive?
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, all the people who fought for this country in the early days were progressive…they weren’t following the old ideas. They forged ahead with an exciting plan that caused “the shots to be heard around the world.” Well, Robert Frost said it well, “Will the world end with a roar or a whimper?”
Think about it. Otherwise, you’ll enjoy melamine with your oatmeal in the morning.
It’s up to you. Roarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Posted by: Barbara Passero | October 4, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

For me this debate reinforced the image I had of Palin – she is really a lipstick on a pig.
Aw COME on, a politician that has to rely on winking and you betchas, to win the debate has got to be a most vapid and hollow on politician who panders to the dumb. This truly is an insult to my intelligence.
Not one thing she told convinced me that Bush and McCain were not the same. Not one thing convinced me that the current tax policy of Bush is good for us.
The republicans refuse to ask the ultra rich to give their fair share to help us bear the grave challenges our nation faces today – with two wars and an economic crisis.They refuse to tax the only people who can afford to afford bill. Instead they want to make the stuggling middle class bear the same burden as the ultra rich. They would rather borrow money from chinese but not tax the rich.

Posted by: JSmith | October 4, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

His name is McCain (our President, 2008).

Posted by: JKan | October 4, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

I am pushing for a new Republican ticket.
Go Romney and Palin.

Posted by: today | October 4, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

The biggest hypocrites are ex Clintonites who now are supporting Palin.
Palin stands everything against what Hillary Clinton stood for. I mean everything. Hillary Clinton was for universal health care, Palin is not. Hillary Clinton is for taxing the rich to ask them to pay up their fair due – Palin is for allowing the rich to wallow in their wealth. Hillary is for pro choice – Palin is against it. In nearly every issue they are against.
If Clintonistas only voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries only because she was a woman not what she stood for, they do a great disservice to Hillary Clinton and to Feminism.
Tryuly the Clintonistas voting now for Palin just because Palin winked and said you betcha 16 times got to be the biggest hypocrites in the world.

Posted by: JSmith | October 4, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

After watching the debate all I can say is… HECK. What a Gosh Darn debate. Ya know… you can betcha fer sure that all those Joe Six Packs and Hockey Moms watchin’ across the nation must feel Darn Right good about that performance up there. Heck, I’ve decided that goin’ to a game or maybe just kickin’ back with a sixer and Sarah is WAAAY better than just havin’ a beer with Dubya.

Posted by: Mr. Bill | October 4, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

The comment above by reader that says Sarah Palin showed us how to field dress a donkey wearing high heels was incomplete. The correct statement is that Sarah Palin showed us how to field dress a donkey wearing high heels and red lipstick.

Posted by: garf | October 4, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Hey Bob, your age is showing. Faulting someone for having Military insurance ESPECIALLY because his Father was off defending our country so you could go to history class, is a bit of a stretch, don’t you think? Not to mention that he followed in his father’s footsteps and fought in a war that became a controversial mess. Of course that was after years of torture, which impaired him for life! You’re right, why should he have good insurance!

Posted by: Eve | October 4, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

Some of you are making grave logical errors when you assume that someone who says “aw shucks” a lot has no brains. Underestimating Palin based on her style makes you guys look like the idiots.
I am sure she rather enjoys befuddling you all — letting you get offended and cozy with the idea that she’s a no-mind — while she prepares to pounce. LOL
But I’ll be voting for Bob Barr.

Posted by: Carol | October 4, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

Sarah Palin cannot answer followup questions. In the current format of debates Palin simply sidestepped all questions she could not answer. Or simply escaped with generalities.
The difference with Katie Couric interviews is – she simply could not do that.
Palin was indeed effectively exposed by Katie Couric that Palin is just a lipstick on a Pig.
Palin’s constant reliance on winking and you betchas just reinforce the image that she is covering her defeciencies by diverting attention.

Posted by: JSmith | October 4, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

Does the war-party of Bush-McCain-Palin really believe in the right to life?
Do you know that more children than soldiers have been – and continue to be – killed, seriously wounded, malnourished, and struck by illness as a result the Iraq war?
Is this the correct response to terrorist acts and threats: the creation of conditions in which thousands of children in Iraq are killed and maimed?
The Palin-McCain-Bush denomination claims that the surge of U.S. soldiers in Iraq has been positive. That, of course, is a characteristically dangerous warmongering over-simplification and is dead wrong.
“Despite any efforts put into the surge, the first six months of 2007 was still the most deadly first six months for civilians of any year since the invasion.”
And we still don’t have an accurate tally of the ongoing death and destruction.
In any case, the assertion of surge success is likely to be little comfort to the thousands of already dead, diseased, and disfigured children, victims of the Palin-McCain-Bush neocon holy war.
While Palin smirks and winks, while McCain beats his war drums, while Bush bumbles on, here are some additional important questions to consider:
How many more children is the Palin-Bush-McCain war-party willing to kill and maim to perpetuate the neocon holy war in an effort to achieve a so-called “victory” on terms they cannot even define?
How many and whose children are you willing to sacrifice through direct support of this war, or through apathy and inaction?
Do children in Iraq and elsewhere have a right to life?
Do the efforts of Palin-McCain-Bush to continue to wage war in Iraq really prove that they truly value a right to life?

Posted by: Don | October 4, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

I continue to be amazed at attacks on the “liberal media” and all the comments about how wonderfully Sarah Palin did in the debates. For someone who spent much time attacking Obama’s position that he would meet our “enemies” without preconditions, it was a bit ironic that a few minutes into the debate Palin arrogantly told the moderator that she’s not going to answer the questions they way Ifill and Biden want her to. She then proceeded to ignore all questions and pose her own, which showed how unable she was to actually compete in a debate. When she was literally reading from index cards to give answers to questions that she essentially asked herself, I can’t understand how that is considered a strong performance. One of her answers was almost verbatim what she said to Katie Couric. A “liberal media” would have slammed her for that; even a “fair media” should have seen that all she does is repeat memorized loaded words and phrases, interspersed with a lot of happy talk and pseudo-patriotic empty words, with a few nasty slurs thrown in while smiling. Do we really want people like that to continue representing our country to the rest of the world? I sure hope not.

Posted by: openmind | October 4, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

That was no debate – it was a farce!

Posted by: Jackie | October 4, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

“Be absolutely ruthless,” adds Camp Obama director Jocelyn Woodards, who leads the intensive two-day training course for campers in Chicago.

Posted by: Belle Starr | October 4, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

As for “preconditions” – After trashing Obama for his “no preconditions” stance, Palin promptly threw out the preconditions of the debate: The format of ANY debate is questions are asked, then the opponents debate their positions on the answers. She chose to ignore those questions and simply present her speech in modified form. Would that be the McCain-Palin foreign policy: Agree to preconditions, then show up and then completely disregard them? That’s not being a “maverick”; that’s just reckless.

Posted by: openmind | October 4, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Aw, too bad Republicans…
Gallup numbers POST DEBATE are out!!
Gallup Tracking 10/01 – 10/03
Obama = 50%
McCain = 42% Obama +8
I guess Americans weren’t impressed with Palin’s canned answers and her little memorized speeches huh??
Also is it within the debate rules to have answers written on notes cards at the podium like Palin had? Sure was funny to see her reading some prepared “general answer” that didn’t even match the question asked half of the time…
You can’t learn how to be VP or President (if something happens to McCain) by cramming for a week….
How pathetic that the MSM even gives her any credibility at all!

Posted by: Davis | October 4, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

The CHEMISTRY between Biden and Palin was so charged they could make a great romantic comedy film together: Guaranteed more chemistry than there was between George Clooney and Renee Zelweger in Leatherheads!

Posted by: Cheryl | October 4, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

I can’t believe national pundits are calling the Biden/Palin debate remotely close; they must be concerned about remaining neutral. That folksy act; the winking, the smirks, the betcha by golly wows….?
I’ve heard more credible pitches from strippers
Apparently Joe Six Pack buys tickets to this type of show. Palin appears to me as someone overly confident, working hard to hide a sarcastic nature that borders with obnoxious, combined with a supreme sense of arrogance. She appears to be a world class expert at both the art of seduction and public speaking. I can see why McCain picked her. Frauds wearing similar feathers, flock together.
Hey Joe. Yeah, you in Ohio. Read a few books, wouldja? You’re screwing up this country. You’re telling me that church on Sunday gets in the way of watching Meet The Press? Then please, at least pray to Jesus that John McCain’s first executive decision will be his last one.
Alaska is just…insert sarcastic smirk here …the perfect distance between her and Washington D.C.
For the middle class to get stronger, the middle class needs to get smarter. Humor me, Joe.
Put that beer down and takeagander at the new article about Mr. McCain over at Rolling Stone.com. McCane hasn’t changed one iota since age 15. You really to investigate his life before Nov 4th
And while you’re at it, forward the the link to your brothers in Indiana and Florida.
It’s up to you, Joe Six Pack. Don’t blow it for us
John McCain, Make-Believe Maverick
Cover story: A closer look at the life and career of the Republican presidential candidate reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty.

Posted by: BullMooseandSquirrel | October 4, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

During the VP debate, it was clear as the nose on your face that Biden was diggin’ on getting kicked in the bum by Palin’s spurs. Looked like he enjoyed the debate as well as the Republicans did! eee-haw!

Posted by: Cheryl | October 4, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

As for the success of the surge: According to a British newspaper report of several weeks ago, one the biggest reasons for the drop in violence that we Americans attribute to the surge was in fact British special ops soldiers who were patrolling the streets and taking out, one by one, the “bad guys,” for lack of a better word.
I don’t know if it is true or not, and I know that most Americans never hear news from other perspectives, and half of you will probably simply dismiss this as unpatriotic, calling me some nasty name, with “liberal” thrown in for emphasis. To those of you, I suggest you broaden your world view with some foreign news sources.
But since we are fighting maybe a few thousand “terrorists” across a pretty big area, it stands to reason that special teams trained for finding individuals and taking them out would be more effective than sending 30,000 troops whose previous training was in whatever their jobs were before they were deployed as national guard members.
Al Qaida is more akin to organized crime than it is to a “rogue nation.” I don’t seem to recall from my history books that we sent 150,000 troops into Chicago during prohibition to battle organized crime, nor did we do so to try to break up the KKK.

Posted by: openmind | October 4, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

The rich in this country already pay the higest tax rates in the world, and our tax revenues have never been higher. If we raise their taxes, revenues go down.

Posted by: Ron | October 4, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

History has given us some “October Surprises” – How about another VP debate with Biden/Palin??? One more debate! One More Debate!! One More Debate!!

Posted by: Cheryl | October 4, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

COME ON! We’ve been waiting for a woman candidate EXACTLY like Sarah Palin to come along since elementary school when we were told we might be President of the U.S. one day. VOTE HER IN!

Posted by: Cheryl | October 4, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Sarah Palin: She can bring home the bacon (like Osama Bin Laden); fry it up in a pan; and never, ever let you forget you da man! She’ll be the United States’ version of Golda Meier AND Princess Di!

Posted by: Cheryl | October 4, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

It’s interesting how people see such different things. Cherly saw Biden “diggin’ on getting kicked in the bum by Palin’s spurs.”
I thought it was more like on a game show when the contestant can win some huge amount of money by answering a question, and half way through the reading of the question the contestant starts to smile because they know the rest of the question and they know that they know the answer.
Rather than answer a question, she would start to level a charge against Obama (taxes, health care, Fannie Mae, etc, take your pick), and Biden already knew what she would say. I’m not sure if he was laughing because he already knew how to respond, or because he thought her answers were (as they were in her debate in Alaska) lots of words with little or no substance.
That alone should tell you something about how shallow her understanding is. “I’m not going to answer questions the way you want me to, I’m going to talk to the American people about my record as mayor and governor.” Shame on all of you who think that during a debate on the issues, that is an acceptable response. A speech is not a debate.

Posted by: openmind | October 4, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

I would rather vote for the person who had the foresight four years ago to know that Freddie and Fannie were in trouble.
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FACTCHECK found that by the time McCain added his name to the bill as a cosponsor, the collapse was well underway.

Posted by: Your Self Delusion is Not Healthy | October 4, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

Some one below mentioned that rich in US already pay the highest taxes in the world. Thats a lie. There are numerous sops in the tax code that allow the rich to get away with lower taxes. Worse tax cheats in the ultra rich stove away their money in off shore holding companies and don’t even pay their due.
Here is a question to you pinheads on the right – today we have enormous deficits partly due to Bush tax cuts and his boneheaded decision to invade Iraq which is costing us a fortune and international credibility. Add to that the continued Republican policy of lack of regulation which has lead us into this economic crisis.
How are we going to afford this enormous financial burden? Will the rich continue to evade giving what is due of them? Or will the Republicans ask us to borrow more money? Or will they ask the struggling middle class to bear more than they can afford?

Posted by: JSmith | October 4, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

Cheryl, why don’t you just listen to Plain’s speeches?
That’s all she did during the “debate” -READ HER SPEECH from index cards.
When someone says openly, “I’m not going to answer the questions”, does that not tell you something about her lack of knowledge? I can’t believe they let her do that. A male candidate certainly would not have gotten the free ride she did. And, even then, she still lost.
It was obvious she had practiced talking points and was only going to read them instead of actually answering the questions asked.
No way Palin is ready for national politics.
IF THE MODERATOR HADN’T BEEN SCARED BY ALL THE BS “SHE’S BIAS” CRAP, SHE WOULD HAVE MADE PALIN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ASKED.

Posted by: The debate double stadard | October 4, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

Cheryl: Are your standards really so low that you’ve been waiting your whole life for a candidate exactly like Sarah Palin? There are dozens of well-known conservative women in politics who are vastly more qualified than Sarah Palin, and who knows how many who are not normally in the public eye. Ethical lapses aside, she has an extremely small world view, and seems to share with George Bush a lack of intellectual curiosity. A hundred years ago she would have been acceptable, but not in today’s world.

Posted by: openmind | October 4, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

To JSmith; We don’t care about facts and figures or even good sense. The fact is that we just don’t have enough courage to vote for anybody but the good ol’ boys. They got us into this mess and we’re afraid that they’ll have to get us out. We think we can speak for all our cowardly cardboard-christian conservative friends when we say our plan is to vote the Rebublicans back in and then grab our ankles for four more years.
We just don’t have anywhere near enough guts to even consider anything else!

Posted by: McChickens | October 4, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

It’s not Palin’s fault the media and the DNC pushed Hiliary out the door for Obama, DEAL WITH IT!!! Some people just can’t face their reality!!! The DNC and the media SCREWED Hilliary!!! Stop taking it out on Palin. God, only an idiot would look to attack the next woman, for the fact that media and party bosses from her own party brought Hilliary down! But then again, how many idiots can the DNC hold? The number may be infinite! I mean tearing down anothe woman, in favor of the guy who’s operatives were behind the 1st woman’s demise. I mean this is perpetuating the WORSE stereotype of women imaginable! SO easy to manipulate, and for SO little. Take your insult, know your place, and attack one of your own! Boy, do women NEED the DNC THAT much! Talk about a “battered wife syndrome!” Ladies, you are free to think for yourselves, and make up your own minds. Feel free to disagree with Palin, but have facts and reasons, rather than making her the scapegoat fir your own party’s treatment of yourselves, and your standard bearer. Stop and think, PLEASE! It will help your credibility in the long run.

Posted by: hmn | October 4, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

For those who still believe that Rich in US are paying the higest taxes consider this -
Why is it that rich athletes from European countries seek to settle in US specifically to evade taxes in their homelands? Is it something to do with how easy it is to evade taxes in US? The most famous example is Steffi Graf – the tennis player who is facing tax evasion charges back in her homeland Germany.
The fact is today the rich European countries like France, Germany, Scandinavian countries have some of the highest tax rates anywhere in the world. Every talking head on the right will shout with glee how socialist the europeans are – yet with straight faces in these elections they LIE that rich in america are taxed the most – even more than in Europe.
PINHEADS

Posted by: JSmith | October 4, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

I have seeen the debate several times for the past few days. And the more I saw it, the more obvious it become that Mrs. Palin is the absolute winner! I thought Joe Biden won, when I saw it the first time. But when you connects the dots in Palin’s answers, conduct, attitude, performance without considering her new to the political arena, she has overmastered Joe Biden and demonstrate to the American people the way yo go. I do not have any interest who is going to be the president as I am not living, neither is from the USA. However, basesd on principle, Mrs Palin with Jhon McCain in the right way to go..

Posted by: donsem | October 4, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

The Rich don’t pay their share?
Well then how do you explain the fact that the top 10% of tax payers account for more than 70% of all tax revenues? That’s like 1.75 trillion, the rest of us in the other 90% paid a paltry 750 billion…..
The war in Iraq, Congress made the bonehead decision to invade. They are the only ones that can. Let’s blame the correct boneheads here.
The tax cuts have increased revenues since they were enacted in 2003. The problem is the corrupt congress spends more than they take in. I’m glad they don’t control my checkbook.
The economic crisis? A Direct result of the Democratically run Fannie May and Freddie Mac making loans to people who they knew couldn’t repay them.
Pinhead.

Posted by: Ron | October 4, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

What nonsense. Palin could not answer the tough questions, she simply side stepped them or used generalities. Whenever a tough question was asked she went back to her favorite Energy policy in Alaska, or simply “Doggone it” or ~gasp~ wink! She has such an hollow personality…
No wonder Palin failed so miserably when Couric asked followed up on questions such that she could not side step.
If Biden went after her like Couric did and asked follow up questions today the right wing pinheads will be all up in arms and accusing Biden of Sexism.
It is so pathetic that today the conservative right has chosen someone who would only qualify in American Idol as their VP candidate. They really are devoid of any ideas.

Posted by: JSmith | October 4, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president. She has barely left the state of Alaska. Don’t forget, she will be the next President if the John does not make it. How will she articulate with the foreign countries. If her counterpart, Mr. Biden is vice president, there are no problems. He is brilliant, she is not.

Posted by: emck | October 4, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

“Well then how do you explain the fact that the top 10% of tax payers account for more than 70% of all tax revenues? That’s like 1.75 trillion, the rest of us in the other 90% paid a paltry 750 billion…..”
Top 10% pay 70% of all tax, because they are so obscenely rich that even with their low tax rates compared to anywhere else in the world they end up amounting to 70% off all the taxes. It also goes on the show 90% of America has so small an income relatively that their taxes hardly amount to 30%.
Today the income disparity in US is more than ever. The rich have only become richer and poor poorer over the last 8 years. US has the highest ginni index (46 ) amongst all the industrial nations and is rising. It is comparable to some of the most corrupt third world nations where rich hoard all the money. Ginni index measures how unequal the wealth is distributed in a country.
The war in Iraq was led by the master of all dumb people – Bush. He led us into a war based on flawed intelligence or at worst LIES. Today we are paying the consequences of his SINS. We are paying for the war through our noses and our credibility amongst the comity of nation is at its lowest.
Get the Republican thugs out from the government. – Every one of you vote them out.

Posted by: JSmith | October 4, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Ron: Come on now; Admit that you’re one of the rich guys yourself and you don’t want to pay higher taxes.
Do you expect us to believe for a second that after all the bogus drives to root out weapons of mass destruction by the Bush administration, like Colin Powell going on TV crying for action, that it was CONGRESS that was pushing for the war? What a joke!
The mortages from Freddie and Frannie were supposed to be structured so that lower income folks COULD afford to pay them.

Posted by: Loki | October 4, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Did you guys know that even if we made the tax rate on paper the same for all people, the top 10% of the rich will pay more in taxes than the rest of the population. Do the math.
Take an example suppose there are 10 people in a room. One of them earns 2 million dollars a year (representing the ultra rich) the rest earn only 100,000 dollars a year (representing the middle class), at 20% uniform tax rate to all, the one rich man alone will pay around 70% of all the taxes – compared to the rest of the nine people in the room.
The question on fairness to all Americans – people on the right and on the left is this. If today the middle class is struggling with job losses and housing foreclosures, is it fair that rich dont stand up and pay what is fairly due of them?
Whom does it hurt more – taking 20,000 dollar away from a person earning 100,000 or 400,000 from a person earning 2 million dollars a year?
For our increased expenses – caused primarily due to Bush lead boneheaded wars, and from economic crisis driven from the flawed concept of complete deregulation of free markets – WHO WILL STAND UP AND PAY THE BILL?
Is is fair to burrow more? Is it fair to pass the burden to the struggling middle class? Is it fair to ask the ultra rich to pay more?
Under Obama’s tax plan – 95% of Americans will see a reduction in their taxes. 5% of super rich like Cindy McCain, Rush Limbaugh, Bill ORielly are being asked to be patriotic and stand up when you are being counted on.

Posted by: JSmith | October 4, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Palin kicked butt!

Posted by: kat in you hat PUMA | October 4, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

You dems blaim Palin for side stepping and ridicule her for it. However is that not what Barrack does. He wants others to vote for a bail out but he will not make a decision. He believes inthe 2nd amendment rights but believe in gun bands. Or you can caryy guns but they can’t have bullets. The fact is I would rather have Palin as a VP than Barrack as the President.

Posted by: Steve | October 4, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

Palin exceeded expectations? This just because people expected she would talk a lot of stupid things as she did in previous interviews by the media, but she did not.
That’s not a good rating.
In most of the time, she did not answer the questions, but repeatedly talked about her small town experience or repeated the campaign slogans without substance.

Posted by: John T. | October 4, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

Palin tried hard to hang in there. She’s full of talking points. She failed mainly because she didn’t – and couldn’t – distinguish herself and McCain from the Bush administration.
Palin kept saying Biden was looking back and not to the future – but we know the real on this – McCain-Palin do not want to deal with the last 8 years of failures, and they can’t demonstrate not one thing…not one fundamental policy where they would be different from Bush. And Biden did not let her off the hook about this, not one time. He was awesome !
Palin said she wants to talk straight to the American people, but the truth is she kept lying to the American people about McCain’s record, and I am so very glad that Biden didn’t let that stand. He told us the “REAL” and “TRUE” record of McCain and he told us why McCain is so very wrong on domestic and foreign issues. Sen. Biden so expertly told us – an ddemostrated with substantive policies – how only the Obama-Biden ticket are the “REAL” change that we need. And he is correct !
Sen. Biden won this debate. He was strong and precise. He showed a command of the issues. He gave excellent facts and answers.
It’s time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It’s time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children. It’s time for REAL change in Washington, it’s time to elect Barack Obama for president !
Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !

Posted by: obama08 | October 4, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

for all you obama/biden -they caught biden in 14 lies. now im not so into polotics but i caught quite a few of them myself . i dont think obama is ready to be prez (or ever will be) and neither did biden think so – but he denied saying that to…just another one of his lies…

Posted by: deborah | October 4, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm

Don’t be jealous with poeple who work hard to become rich. McCain family is one of hardworking families. Beside, McCain himself is a great leader with experience. It’s so ridiculuous when I hear people mention unqualified vice president but never mention unexperience top ticket Barrack Obama. BTW, I agree with Palin what she said about Obama: “… This is not a man who sees America as I see America”

Posted by: dj | October 4, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

Wondering what in the world those trying to pump up Palin might be smoking. Blindness can excused but not self-induced idiocy. The Right always tries to destroy the person and avoid the issues. They never have any concern for the middle class as can be seen by the sorry state of the country thanks to the policies of the GOP that began with Reagan. They cloak themselves in their “righteousnes” and think that everyone else is suspect for not going along with thier views. They like to repeat a lie constantly because they know that some people start believing it (witness the Palin thing). They are good at sound-bite politics because it covers up the “fine print” in their policies. McCain is OLD, his ideas are OLD and he has picked a person who needs a map and detailed instrucctions on how to get to the lower forty-eight from Alaska. BTW, go ahead and drill all over Alaska, poke holes all over it; most of us will never go up there anyway.

Posted by: maximus | October 4, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

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