Palin Differs With McCain on Federal Marriage Amendment

This is only the beginning of S.Palin. If they get in you will see her pushing for more and more of her beliefs no matter what McCain thinks. He has opened Pandora’s box with her as she still says she will get him to change his mind on Amwar drilling. Who knows what else she will try to change his mind. And, will her husband be attending all the meetings she does as he does in Alaska? Security ones and all? For someone who professes such love of country…how come her husband belongs to a group who wants to annex Alaska. She also attended these meetings so I question McCain’s judgement on this v.p. selection.

whacko right wing
took the party away from it’s fiscal and economic health center.
get this virus out of the party…
she is a direct result of our lack of education run amock.

She keeps this up I may have to vote for putrid McCain over cesspool Obama. Boy, gotta love that Democracy! And this is the system were slaughtering people worldwide to impose???

Palin is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Far Right she stinks! thats why Moderate Republicans as well as Independents dont support her, She is More to the Right then Bush she really is a religious far right NUT JOB!

Olivia….Those sick remarks came from individuals who have no official ties with the Obama campaign and don’t deserve the media coverage that a campaigne rally deserves. We expect such remarks from those people. That being the case, both Palin and McCain had opportunities to correct the behavior of people at their rallys and failed to do so. In contrast, when folks at an Obama rally started to “boo” McCain, Obam said “Now, now…we don’t need any of that. We just need to vote.” That’s what a leader is supposed to do.

to Pat Napolitano Marietta. Ga.,
KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION: TO OVERTHROW ROE VS WADE…. IT WOULD TAKE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. THAT WOULD TAKE DECADES AND WILL NEVER HAPPEN…….PALIN’S OPINION IS HER OWN PERSONAL OPINION OR IN YOUR SOCIALISTS DREAM WORLD IS THAT NO LONGER ALLOWED???? WILL WE ALL HAVE TO START DRESSING THE SAME TOO LIKE IN CHINA?
You have got to stop reading Liberal propaganda web sites. Todd Palin belong BRIEFLY TO THE GROUP YOU MENTIONED AS MANY INDIGENOUS TRIBE PEOPLE FROM ALASKA DO. Its sort of like the American Plain Indians having their own reservations. It represented tribal pride. He was a member for a little over a year until he decided the group was too politically extreme and he quit. His wife, Gov. Palin NEVER BELONG TO THE GROUP, and if she attended a meeting to see what is was about isn’t that what you should do? ……..check out http://www.factcheck.org and learn something.
I see you have no issue with Obama’s DALIANCES WITH THE FAR EXTREME LEFT? BILL AYRES WAS UNREPENTED WHEN HE HAND SELECTED AND WORKED WITH OBAMA ON TWO COMMITTEES. OBAMA WAS IN HIS LATE 30′S AND NOT 8 YEARS OLD THEN !!Or how about his working for a long time with ACORN. Training their legends of fake voter registras??? ACORN picketed banks into making fake loans to unstable applicants and see where that got us??? OBAMA like DOWD made out like a rat with kick back money given to him and he inturn gave nearly $800,000 to an ACORN side group from his campaign money donated in under $200 amounts( this skirts the naming law) by ARAB extremeist groups to his fake “election”. HOW ABOUT THAT BLACK NATIONALIST, ANTI-WHITE, ANTI-AMERICAN PREACHER HE ATTENDED CHURCH WITH FOR 2O YEARS ???(IT DIDN’T TAKE THE PALIN’S 20 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT THE ALASKAN SEPARATISTS GROUP WAS A BAD IDEA.) THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST HE IS MARRIED TO AN OUT AND OUT BLACK PANTHER WANNA BE, WHO BELIEVES IN REPERATIONS AND BLACK SUPREMISTS IDEALOLGY.
YOU CANNOT SEE THE FOREST FOR YOUR BIAS TREES. OBAMA is merely the head of the snake. He is a plant operated by very anti-American dark forces back by Socialists and Communists and the ill informed like you who vote on “feelings” rather than facts can only take their bait fed to you about Palin. Shame on you for being so gullable and willing to overthrow your own country !!! Shame on you for being so stupid.

Palin differs with McCain on a lot of issues. That must be ticking gramps off a lot about now. She is so outspoken about it and saying “if it were my campaign, I would run it differently.”
The worst is that she keeps agreeing with Obama on foreign policy, oopsy.

What this shows is that Sarah Palin is not a puppet on a string.
This type of a thing is actually good for America, reguardless of what liberals want you to think.

Palin is the best example of the Howard Stern poll against Obama. It’s clear that Palin does not know where her running-mate (McCain) stands on issues. LOL

Palin, the “maverick”, loves to kick everyone’s butt except her own.
As a “federalist”, she loves to see states decide on women’s right of abortion but not gay marriage.
There is definitely some consistency in her inconsistent positions, don’t you think?

Over the past two weeks my church has made an issue of “gay marriage” in the “pulpit” and I suppose she is trying to tap into that.

Yes, I too bemoan the lack of education and critical thinking in the US, as evidenced by most posters here. Anyone who thinks about this realizes that MARRIAGE has to be handled FEDERALLY, because people move from state to state. Or, do you propose that a state that overwhelmingly opposes gay marriage will have to recognize a marriage when a couple moves there from Massachusetts?
A Federal law is REQUIRED when state-to-state reciprocity is required. Or, perhaps this is the intent of the leftists: Get at handful of states to enact Gay Marriage, then force it on the rest of the states through existing reciprocity law.

Palin’s comments make perfect sense to me. I don’t expect every politician to agree with every other politician on every issue, and McCain DOES have the problem of being a bit wishy-washy about issues regarding life and marriage. So does the rest of the Republican Party.
I’m glad to see a prominent politician defend a Culture of Life for change!

The absoulute LAST thing the McCain/Palin camp needs is
MORE CONFUSION.
We went from
strong economy fundamentals
to socialism
in three weeks.
in between was
crisis
firing folks
the fannie freddie scandal
acorns
ayers
joe the plummer

So, if the issue were slavery, she would be just fine with letting the sourthern states decide for themselves.
Isn’t that precious.

Yes we did, Omentum.
All the while the democrats have had complete control of congress.
How much money did Obama get from Fannie and Freddie again?
In the last two years, what did the price of gas do? How about the economy?
Bush doesn’t make the laws nor did he cause any of this. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid did this all by themselves.
What is the approval rating of the democrat controlled congress? Lower than Bush’s, that’s what I thought.

b – Obviously you are way out of your depth here. Simple-minded people = simple-minded ideas.

Palin walked away from McCain a long time ago.

why not legal partnership instead of marriage?

Once again Palin has proven herself to go against the “standard”. I applaud her for that!!!

BEWARE.
Palin is very ambitious and very calculating. She s going to attempt overthowing McCain if she gets elected with McCain. She feels that she is the ‘celebrity’ and she draws the most people. Therefore she feels she has more political capital than McCain and will get ‘her’ constituency (the far right) to force McCain’s hand to agree with ‘her’ proposals.
If McCain and Palin get to the White House, it is Palin who will be in charge. D.A.N.G.E.R.O.U.S.

Biden differs with Obama on the fact that Obama is not qualified or experienced to be president.
Posted by: Beck | Oct 20, 2008 10:46:18 AM
** Neither is McCain. I wonder why they chose George Bush over McCain. His own party! McCain has sold his soul to conform to his ‘very right’ party and it hasn’t worked. People are moderate conservative/liberal, not far left or far right. At least Obama can explain what he feels about issues. McCain just always tries to change the subject like the American people are dumb like his running mate. We’re not dumb and we get it… we’re waiting for you and your party to get it too!

What I don’t understand about these positions is that if these people really, genuinely fear for “traditional marriage,” why ban gay marriage? Why not ban divorce? And why does no reporter ask them that? Gay marriage isn’t a threat to traditional marriage, divorce is!

Where is discrimination in a law that says that “marriage” is the union of a “man,” or, “male,” and a “woman,” or, “female”? Cuz those who claim to be homosexual are one of the two. There is no third sex, and, so, a man who claims to be homosexual is not precluded from marrying a woman who is heterosexual, or who claims to be homosexual, and vice versa. So, they are not denied, and everybody is treated alike. Thaaaank you.

==…why ban gay marriage? ==
It is not “banned.”
A person who claims to be homosexual is either a “man,” or, “male,” or, a “woman,” or, “female.” Thus, everybody is covered; there is no third sex.
So, everybody has the same opportunity to get married.

==…why ban gay marriage? ==
Why is a man who loves another man’s wife “banned” from marrying her?

==…no one cares about John McCain ==
And, yet, the polls are narrowing, and you just cannot believe that Hussein is not ahead by double digits. Gee.
Y’see, the Dems are a known factor. Republicans are not, just as just before the ’94 election where angry, white males came out in droves and nobody knew they were there, ‘cept them, and they knew they had plans for election day. The rest is history.

And I don’t care about Colin Powell, either. He is not a game changer. A career of cuncussion from rockets and grenades has had a delayed effect on his brain.

Fascinating that, yet again, no right-winger can yet respond to the question of why not ban divorce if you’re worried about traditional marriage being “under attack”? Or is that not convenient to your world-view?

There is no third sex. Only men and women, males an females, the subjects of laws that define “marriage” as the union of a “man,” or, “male,” and a “woman,” or, “female.” Everybody is covered, including those who claim to be homosexual, and they have the same opportunity to marry as the rest of us, no matter what they claim is their alternative-lifestyle orientation option choice.
So, in what way are those who claim to be homosexual denied what every other man and woman get?

==no right-winger can yet respond to the question of why not ban divorce if you’re worried about traditional marriage being “under attack”?==
Because, for one thing, the Word of God says that divorce IS an option, under the correct circumstances.
For antoher thing, there must be a mechanism to deal with irreconcilable differences between those individuals.
No, we know that that won’t satisfy you cuz you aren’t looking for an explanation.
By the way, where, in the Word, Jesus talks about divorce, He talks about it only in terms of “marriage” being the union of a man, as husband, and a woman, as the man’s wife. Heh.

Here is a good one: In her VP debate, within 90 minutes, Palin flip-flop mentioning “government, just get out of my way” to “we need to demand from our government strict oversight”. Palin does not think, she just babble.

All the while the democrats have had complete control of congress.
How much money did Obama get from Fannie and Freddie again? In the last two years, what did the price of gas do? How about the economy?
Bush doesn’t make the laws nor did he cause any of this. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid did this all by themselves.
Posted by: Place the blame where it belongs
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Have you never heard of a veto or a filibuster?
Apparently not.

In the past two days alone, Palin has answered questions from her national press corps on three separate occasions. On Saturday, she held another plane availability, and on Sunday, she offered an impromptu press conference on the tarmac upon landing in Colorado Springs. A few minutes later, she answered even more questions from reporters during an off-the-record stop at a local ice cream shop.
By contrast, Biden hasn’t held a press conference in more than a month, and Obama hasn’t taken questions from his full traveling press corps since the end of September.
Remember when press availability meant the measure of a candidate? That would have been in September, when Democrats jeered at Palin for living in a bubble. She can’t handle the press, they said — how can she handle the job of a VP, or President, if necessary?
That smirking was entirely hypocritical at the time, and is even more so now. Obama has been famously resistant to media scrutiny. In one Texas appearance, Obama proclaimed frustration over having to answer more than eight questions. Biden, meanwhile, has disappeared after a series of gaffes that make Dan Quayle look like William F. Buckley.

Why does ANY level of government need to involve itself in marriage? Why not make all the licensing (essentially a health regulation anyway) some neutral term (civil union?) and leave the defining of marriage to the religions? *******************************
Yes!!!! I’ve not heard anyone else say this, but it makes so much sense. I’ve believed this is the best solution since the whole gay marriage issue came up.
By the way, I’m a white Christian voting for Obama.

==Ahhhh! There it is! “God says …”.==
We already know you don’t care. That doesn’t impact our Salvation, though. It impacts YOURS.
== No, no, I *am* looking for an explanation. ==
No, you aren’t. You rejected any explanation even before you brought it up.
==I want to understand why divorce is fine but gay marriage isn’t.==
I explained it, and you reject it. Suprise, surprise.
== Gotcha.==
No, no “gotcha.”
== Which God, by the way?==
I AM.
== For millennia, the Catholic Church, at one point *the only* Christian Church in the world, denied the right of people to divorce, saying that God said it was not okay. So … when did God change his mind?==
God didn’t change His Mind. Men did. That’s cuz men thought their private interpretation mattered over God’s.
== With the Protestant Reformation? Or when human beings in civil structures decided he did? Just curious …==
You’re not curious for information, only in trying to impose “gotchas” which, as it turns out, no “gotchas.” You are a victim of what I call “The Seinfeld Complex: Trying to make someting outta nothing.”

How much of that 63 million dollars Hussein got in campaign contributions from foreign sources came from Hamas and Hezbollah?

For antoher thing, there must be a mechanism to deal with irreconcilable differences between those individuals.
By the way, where, in the Word, Jesus talks about divorce,
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | Oct 20, 2008 11:24:11 AM
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Mr. Incredible, remember what Jesus says about divorce in Matthew 5: [31] “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’* [32] But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.”
Sorry, irreconcilable differences is nowhere to be found. Followers of Jesus are expected to work out their differences. The only exception is if adultery has occurred by the offending party, in which case, the other spouse is free.
The divorce rate among “Christians” is as high, and in some cases higher, than that of non-Christians. There is no excuse for that.

Wow B….angry much? LOL. I know your scared…poor baby. But it’ll be okay. No need to keep spewing lies and hatred. Don’t you get it? Most of the American people don’t live in a cave and yes…they can form their own opinions. And guess what? They are not buying the Acorn spin or the Rev. Wright-Ayers garbage. And for goodness sake….how can a man who is half white and raised by his white grandparents, be Anti-white? Take the sheet off…maybe you could see the world a little better.

What’s next, a constitutional amendment to protect the sanctity of marriage by prohibiting premarital sex? It is in the Bible you know.

Johnnie, if you are right then Palin has lowered the standard for women to about the same level Bush has dragged it for men.

Mr. Incredible:
Are you (incredibly) saying that the laws of the United States should be directed by the words that appear in the Holy Bible?
If so, I have to give you credit for being honest, but I think there are some serious constitutional issues with using religion to guide our legal system.
Oh wait, I just see where you got around that problem by declaring Christianity to be a relationship, not a religion.
Uh, good luck with that.
As long as you think that changing the commonly accepted definitions of words is a legitimate debate strategy, further discussion is pointless.

==What’s next, a constitutional amendment to protect the sanctity of marriage by prohibiting premarital sex?==
The State has the power to decide whether it wants to be a party to a contract. If it doesn’t agree with the terms of the contract, it’s not required to become involved.
There is no interest the State has in being a party to a so-called “same-sex ‘marriage.’”
The State, therefore, has no interest in premarital sex in the sense that the State would not be party to any contract.

==Are you (incredibly) saying that the laws of the United States should be directed by the words that appear in the Holy Bible?==
The Principles in the Word of God appear in law already.
==…there are some serious constitutional issues with using religion to guide our legal system.==
Christianity is not a “religion.” It’s a relationship. Scoffers don’t understand that.
==Oh wait, I just see where you got around that problem by declaring Christianity to be a relationship, not a religion.==
I didn’t invent it. God did. I merely report it.
==Uh, good luck with that.==
Scoffers don’t believe it. So what?
==As long as you think that changing the commonly accepted definitions of words is a legitimate debate strategy, further discussion is pointless.==
Does that mean that the trip to the Dairy Queen is off?

Obama blatantly lied to the American people when he said he only had a superficial involvement in ACORN, when it is a FACT that his involvement is much greater and has occurred for a longer period of time that he admits too. ACORN has admitted that it supports Obama and the Democrats, so it is not non-partisan. The voter registration fraud they’ve perpetrated has now come to light – another indisputable fact. It is clear from these dubious activities that the Democrats are attempting to steal the election this time.

> Does that mean that the trip
> to the Dairy Queen is off?
While my relationship with the unifying force of the universe does permit me to consume dairy products, it unfortunately prohibits me from enjoying the results of the perverse unnatural process of using cold to change the form of that dairy matter into a solid.
But if you’re buying, I’ll take a Dilly bar in a cup and just wait for it to melt.
Thanks!

October 3, 2008 Vice-Presidential Debate:
Ifill” Let’s try to avoid nuance, Senator. Do you support gay marriage?
Biden: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We Do not support that. That is basically the decision to be able to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice thier faiths the determination what you call it.
he bottom line though is and I’m glad to hear the governor, I take her at word, obviously, that she think there should be not civil rights distinction, none whatsoever, between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple. If that’s the case, WE REALLY DON’T HAVE A DIFFERENCE……
Reading the previous comment made by Biden, I can come to only one conclusion, that all the attacks on Palin regrading this issue is simply based upon a bitter hate against sucessful repub women…I happen to be for gay marriage..not for me to judge another person life-style and if you are truly a christian you know who the judge be…I am a social lib however conservative economic and a HUGE supporter of our military…I will vote on national security issues…without it all else fails..

Marriage is a Civil Right. Religion and religious views need to stay out of it – except where deciding if they will sanction gay marriage at their own establishment.
Because you see, my religion has no problem with gay marriage. I was married this summer…so spiritually I am joined to my partner.
What bothers me is when one religious view tries to force their beliefs on the rest of us through civil/secular avenues. You don’t like gay marriage – then don’t sanction it in your church. Separation of Church and State gives you that right. But it also should provide protection for those of us from whom a particular religious sect would discriminate against. It is a citizen’s rights to enjoy all of the rights of being a citizen.

==I happen to be for gay marriage.==
Me, too, since no man who claims to be homosexual is not precluded from marrying a woman who claims to be homosexual.
==not for me to judge another person life-style and if you are truly a christian you know who the judge be…==
Where does the Word of God say that those who are born again are NOT to judge Righteously? I know that Jesus said the unrighteous are not to judge cuz they hold the Truth in unrighteousness. However, where does He tell the Righteous not to judge?

MrIncredible………go get a job. Your postings are ridiculous.

==Marriage is a Civil Right.==
Tell us where this “Right” is.
== Religion and religious views need to stay out of it…==
That’s what the Devil says, too.
==…my religion has no problem with gay marriage.==
Yes, you’ve made a god to suit yourself, and, of course, that god, which YOU control, wouldn’t dare go up against you.
== I was married this summer…so spiritually I am joined to my partner.==
What ungodly spirit is that?
==What bothers me…==
I’m worried already that you’re bothered.
==… is when one religious view tries to force their beliefs on the rest of us through civil/secular avenues.==
Then you oughta stop doing it.
== You don’t like gay marriage…==
All men and women have the same opportunity to marry.
==…it also should provide protection for those of us from whom a particular religious sect would discriminate against.==
What a train wreck of a sentence!
== It is a citizen’s rights to enjoy all of the rights of being a citizen.==
All those who claim to be homosexual are either men/male, or women/female. There is no third sex.
So, the law that says that “marriage” is the union of a “man,” or, “male,” and a “woman,” or, “female,” does not discriminate against those who claim to be homosexual.

==MrIncredible………go get a job. Your postings are ridiculous.==
Gee. I’m crushed.

==I happen to be for gay marriage.==
CORRECTION
Me, too, since no man who claims to be homosexual is precluded from marrying a woman who claims to be homosexual.

Mr Incredible – If Sarahcuda has done so bad, why isn’t Hussein a thousand points ahead in the polls? ==
Which Hussain? Barak Hussain Obama, or William Tipton, the lobbyist and Saddam Hussain supporter that McCain hired to be his Transition Team Chief?

The reason we need a constitutional amendment defining marriage is because individual judges are deciding what the marriage policy is for each state. In the 3 states that have legalized homosexual marriage the decision was made by a judge and or judges and not by the people or their elected reps. When the people vote they vote against homosexual marriage. This is tyranny against the majority by the elite oligarchy of unelected liberal judges. Democrats now only believe in power. They have rejected democracy. They accept the idea of a totally biased press as long as the bias is in their favor. They accept voter fraud because all of the fraud is to help democrats get power. They accept unlimited money in elections when they raise more money. Obama is outspending McCaine 5 to 1 and yet is only a few points ahead. Does anyone believe that if a Republican was outspending a democrat 5-1 that the media would be really upset? Considering the favorable coverage the media gives to Obama the spending is about 50-1 in favor of Obama, and yet Obama is still having a hard time closing the deal. I feel sorry for democrats though. Especially moderate ones. They are going to realize in about 1 year that they elected Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and the most leftist people in America to govern America unchecked. Hang on for a bumpy ride.

Paul, I disagree. One can be married without religion being in the mix. It has been this way for a long time. Currently, one can go to a Justice of the Peace and have a marriage ceremony performed.
Marriage has its roots in both religious and secular worlds – however, religion should not dictate to the government and visa versa. If XYZ church does not want to approve, so be it… but there are religions, like my own that do approve.
Either way, Government should not base laws on religious view points. All citizens should enjoy the rights of every other citizen. I want to be legally married to my partner. There is no CIVIL reason the government should prohibit me. And because my religion approves of my relationship there is also NO RELIGIOUS reason.

==MR INCREDIBLE
You my Friend are a right wing Religious nut case! its people like you and Sara Palin the country should FEAR!!!==
You fear what you do not know.

==Does this woman ever say anything coherent.==
Yes, but your brain has to be turned on.
==…it’s like listening to Joyce Brothers – it all sounds great.==
You must be talking about Hussein O.
== But when you sit down think about it, it’s all babble.==
Yeah, that’s Hussein O.
== It’s truly frightening.==
You fear what you do not know.

==I want to be legally married to my partner. There is no CIVIL reason the government should prohibit me.==
Except that the prohibition goes for everybody, and THAT is equal application.

Sarah Palin is no Christian.
To be a Christian is to be Christ like.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who hurt you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.”
Matthew 5:44 NKJV
Does Sarah Palin love her enemies, or does she abuse her power to remove them? Does she inspire hate at her rallies?
Prov 6:16,17
16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Sarah Palin has lied repeatedly in this campaign. One of the most blatant when she was asked if she was guilty of ethics violations.
She also shed innocent blood. She put a bounty on certain animals, giving $150 for each front leg.
She is no Christian. When will the Religious Right open their Bibles and see she is no Christian.

Why cant a Man Marry A Man? or A woman Marry a woman? who gives anybody the Right to tell these people who they can love and Marry as long as they dont Affect your life WHO THE H– CARES! MIND YOUR BUSINESS!

==MR INCREDIBLE
I know I FEAR Those right wing Religious Nuts, always trying to Shove their Religious Belifs [sic] down ones [sic] throat…==
I know I FEAR Those left wing nuts, always trying to Shove their “Belifs” down one’s throat….

SIGH
The religious Far Right Have no right trying to shove Their Gun toting Bible loving ways down our throats! and that is what they do!My Point is KEEP RELIGION OUT OF POLITICS!!

ALASKA MIKE
WELL SAID!

MR INCREDIBLE
Are you God? How do you know God cares because your Bible told you so? I belive God said THOU SHALL LOVE ONE ANOTHER! But you see You RIGHT WING NUTS Take the Bible and twist it into your own Thoughts on how things should be!

And it is absurd to argue that since a law applies to everyone it doesn’t discriminate. A law to ban the building of Baptist churches would be unconstitutional even though that law would apply to everyone. Mormons, Muslims, Jews, Catholics and Buddhists would not be allowed to build Baptist Churches. Even though such a law would apply to everyone, it would only affect Baptists. And that would make it unconstitutional.

==it is unconstitutional to impose your religious beliefs on others who do not share them.==
We “impose” nothing that hasn’t been in place for eons.

Was Sarah Palin pregnant before she was married? I thought I heard the narrator say that her first child was born almost eight months later…huh. Like mother like daughter. How come she does not believe in same sex marriages but pregnancy out of wedlock is okay? Is her religious beliefs one sided?

oh…and Sarah Palin was lousy on SNL. The sketches were not funny, and Tina Fey is way hotter.

==oh…and Sarah Palin was lousy on SNL.==
She was very good.
== The sketches were not funny…==
That’s Lib writers for you. SNL is a
c r a p show.

==I belive God said THOU SHALL LOVE ONE ANOTHER!==
That’s the second Command. The first, and greatest, is that you are to love God with all your might. How come you ignored that?
God also condemned what we now call “homosexuality” as an “abomination.” Yet, you don’t mention that. Heh.

==I belive God said THOU SHALL LOVE ONE ANOTHER!==
Does THAT mean that I should be quiet when you go rollin’ around in filth, so your feelings aren’t hurt? No. God told us to speak up, and we do. Yet, you fail to mention that part of the Word.

Why is Palin hammered when she comes out in favor of a gay marriage amendment? Even in very liberal CA, a proposition to overturn an activist state supreeme court decision now has a majority supporting it. The Catholic Catechism calls homosexuality an “intrinsic evil and disorder” Enough said.

Marriage is a religious tradition. You Dems can’t have it both ways. You cannot argue for a “right” to exercise a religious tradition, then argue that we need to keep religion out of it.
But then again, you are Democrats. You just make things up as you need.

==Allowing one person to exercise his right to marry his partner imposes nothing on you.==
Yes, it does.
God condemns “homosexuality.” If we allow it, He gets mad at us. We don’t want Him mad at us cuz we love Him. We understand that you don’t. That’s YOUR problem.
There is no “Right” to marry.
However, using the lose version of “Rights,” I still say that everybody has the same “Right” to marry. The State doesn’t discriminate between, say, men who claim to be homosexual and those who are heterosexual, between those who are bank robbers and those who are not.
== You can’t counter an imposition that doesn’t exist.==
Except that marriage has been the same since God defined it, and, now, you people wanna change that, impose your agenda on us.
== Nor can you logically claim that your desire to impose your religious views on your fellow Americans is a result of anyone claiming the right to marry.==
And, yet, your claim IS an imposition.
==Your religious views were imposed before they began to campaign for their equal rights as Americans.==
They already have equal Rights to marry.
== And neither I nor the Constitution of the United States is interested in what has or has not been in place for eons in other countries.==
It is interested in precedent. “Marriage,” as it has been, is precedent you wanna overturn.
== Please tell me you don’t really think the USA should use the legal precepts of foreign countries as constitutional precedents. ==
I don’t, but Libs do.

Mr.(not so)Incredible,
The reason Senator Obama is not further ahead is because the Republicans have so screwed up our education system that we have an over abundance of uneducated idiots like you.

==Sigh
You have the right to exercise your religious beliefs for yourself, not the right to impose them on others. If your religion bans same sex marriage then you are free not to marry some one of the same sex. Just as Roman Catholics cannot force John McCain to go back to being married to his first wife because Catholicism doesn’t allow divorce. Freedom of religion is an individual freedom. It cannot be used to force others to act in accordance with your religious beliefs.

Amen virescentgirl. I totally agree.

==Asking to be able to marry my partner legally does not inflict anything on anyone else.==
“Legally”? Irrelevant. You’re trying to add and subtract words to make it seem as though it’s harmless. That’s a car-salesman’s trick.
== What it does do, is make me legally responsible for my partner in both the eyes of the world and in the eyes of the law.==
Then go and draw up a contract. You don’t need the State as a party.
== It also grants me rights…==
No. Constitutions grant Rights.
==.. like being able to be at her bedside should she be in the hospital, or taking care of her with my hard earned social security, should I pass before her. Civilly there is NO reason I should not be able to have these rights as well as others.==
You already have those Rights, as outlined in a Will, or other contract.

==God condemns “homosexuality.” If we allow it, He gets mad at us. We don’t want Him mad at us cuz we love Him. We understand that you don’t. That’s YOUR problem.==
It’s not just my problem it’s my right as an American. I’m sorry, the argument, “SKY GOD ANGRY!!!” doesn’t muster constitutional merit.

==…doesn’t the Church teach that divorce is a sin? Why aren’t you campaigning to impose that religious belief on the rest of us as well?==
Cuz we aren’t imposing what has been the case for eons. You people are the ones wanting to change what has been in place for ages.
We’ve been campaigning that divorce is wrong. You must-a missed it.

==The homos are dysfunctional people who believe they have the right to impose their beliefs on society. Sorta like theives and liars. ==
The Department of Homoland Security disagrees with you.

Biden and Obama has also been on record stating they also support marriage amendment. Biden just said it in the debate with Palin. So why single her out?

==Biden and Obama has also been on record stating they also support marriage amendment. Biden just said it in the debate with Palin. So why single her out?==
Cuz Libs don’t want attention drawn to their weaknesses and inconsistencies. As far as I’m concerned, that’s too bad.

==Mr. Incredible
You’ve argued that the constitution doesn’t ban gay marriage. And that it should continue to. You’ve argued that God will be mad at us if we allow gay marriage. And that we already have the same legal rights in place through contracts and wills. And oddly enough you’ve argued that you aren’t imposing your religious beliefs on others. And that you are imposing those beliefs in order to counter impositions you believe are being made on you.
So we might as well allow gay marriage because the constitution doesn’t really ban it and god wouldn’t really be mad because the laws allow people to have the same rights though contracts and wills.
And Ruth, what rights of yours are being infringed? The right not to be argued with? The right not to be called names? Grow up, this is America, not the playground.

Leave our Constituion alone! When she can’t even speak good English, she sure shouldn’t be elected to a position of power. She needs to go to a grade school and learn good grammar. Here’s one of her sentences.
. “But I certainly can express my own opinion here and take action that. I believe would be best for traditional marriage and that’s casting my votes and speaking up for traditional marriage that, that instrument that it’s the foundation of our society is that strong family and that’s based on that traditional definition of marriage, so I do support that..”
By the way, you may figure out from time to time, Sarah and I don’t agree on every issue,” McCain said at a joint town hall last month in Michigan. “What do you expect of two mavericks, to agree on everything? Eh?”
Count “That” out in 08′……..
Obama/Biden Truth and Ethics

Mary you have a small ignorant, backwards mind. The God I was raised to believe in is a god of love, tolerance and respect, not hate. People like you spend so much time spewing hate under the Christian flag. How sad.
Scientific studies show that approximately 10% of the human population is born homosexual. That is also true in the animal kingdom. So if God created the earth and all living things, then we must all be a part of his plan.
Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Why I am voting Democrat!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending MY MONEY than I would. I think when you spread the wealth around it is good for everybody! It’s Patriotic!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. All profits are evil and should be confiscated for Government Redistribution.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that MORE Government regulations and higher taxes on Business will stop Business from exporting their jobs to Countries with LESS Government regulations and lower taxes.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe terrorists should be allowed to have trials in American courts. And be able to subpoena top secret documents, soldiers, government officials, etc. to cross examine for their defense. They should have ACLU lawyers who can help intimidate Americans who serve on the juries!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe Gay Marriage should be the law of the land and will probably produce better children.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe English should not be the official language of the United States. I don’t mind pushing one for English when I use the phone.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe partial birth abortion is okay but water boarding a terrorist is disgusting.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe having a domestic terrorist like Bill Ayers as a close friend is a good thing. It allows for great relations with foreign terrorists.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe in a FREE government health care system. I believe doctors, nurses, hospitals, drug companies, etc. will gladly donate their time, products, services, facilities, etc. for FREE and that will be a better system.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe in and support trial lawyers, frivolous lawsuits and outrageous jury verdicts.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe 9/11 was an inside job to con the American people to go to war for oil.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe social security is solvent and that there is a social security lock box and I don’t believe social security is a Ponzi scheme.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe MOST AMERICANS are bitter and cling to their guns and religion. Let’s rid our country of guns and religion!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe illegal aliens deserve all the rights of ordinary Americans plus some additional rights Americans do not have.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe corporations should pay higher taxes! I believe higher taxes on business will make the price of their products and services LESS EXPENSIVE.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe groups like ACORN who register felons, drug addicts, wino’s, homeless drifters, illegal aliens, dead people, children, fictional Disney characters, etc. makes my vote count more.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe celebrating the winter solstice shows compassion for the small minority of people that do not celebrate Christmas.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe hard core criminal murders and rapists deserve life and that the innocent unborn deserve death. It’s a choice I can live with.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe Bush caused Hurricane Katrina and he blew-up the levies in the ninth ward of New Orleans.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that any one who is not partaking in one of the many wonderful government programs obviously has too much money and should pay higher taxes.
I’m voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq the terrorists will be happy and now think of us as good people.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe our soldiers are AIR RAIDING villages and killing innocent people.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe sex in the Oval Office with an intern is a private matter and that everybody lies under oath about sex.
I’m votin Demokrat becuse I wus edumkated at a publick sckrool. I lik da Natsionel Edukatshun Assoseeashun!
I’m voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as it does not offend people. Can’t we all just get along?
I’m voting Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits are wrong. I believe higher taxes on oil companies will produce lower prices at the pump.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe we need to rid ourselves of dependency on foreign oil, BUT I AM AGAINST offshore drilling for oil and natural gas, drilling in Anwar, building nuclear power plants and clean coal technology.
And finally, I’m voting Democrat because I believe Reverend Wright when he said “GODDAMN AMERICA” and “OUR CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST”. Hey let’s make a comfortable nest for those chickens!
Why are you voting Democrat?

==The God I was raised to believe in is a god of love, tolerance and respect…==
You mean to tell us that God loves and, therefore, tolerates even evil, wickedness???
You’re telling us that a parent loves his child soooooo much that he willlet the child get away with anything without nary a word???
==… not hate.==
God hates the wicked.
== People like you spend so much time spewing hate under the Christian flag.==
What flag?
==Scientific studies show that approximately 10% of the human population is born homosexual.==
No, they don’t. There is no unbiased, uncorrupted, Science that says that.
== That is also true in the animal kingdom. ==
Man is not an animal. God mad Man a spacial Creation, and He made Covenant with Man, not with animals.
There is no homosexuality in animals. What scientists see, when they think they see an animal seeming to get funky with another of the same sex, is a struggle for dominance.
==So if God created the earth and all living things, then we must all be a part of his plan. ==
The disobedient are not part of His plan except in punishment.
==Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.==
Is THAT all He had to say on the subject?

For an “Average American Mom”, you sure seem to be pretty anti-American..

Education spawns liberalism. Universities and better education people are always the liberals who advocate change. You only need to look at where the challenges to governments have always come from. The governments squash student demonstrations the world over, Kent St, Mexico City, Bejing, etc. The facts are that conservatives are generally less questioning and not nearly as intelligent and educated as liberal counterparts. Republicans are the conservative side of our Nation. The philosophy does not accept science, or new ideas readily. They do not adapt as well and resist all change, preferring regression to “The good old days”.
Of course, I have actually witnessed several decades of world history and know this to be true. Even Pol Pot in his fascist take over executed everyone thought to be intellectual, going so far as to kill people who wore glasses as they were too intelligent and therefore a radical.
The GOP is fascist in nature and philosophy. The fact that conservatives look upon the use of power to influence enforcement of our laws goes against all democratic basics. The persecution of a state trooper for a personal vendetta or the firing of a prosecuter for bring a cas against a political ally, undermines the fabric of our Nation. How can an officer enforce the law when a single politican can have them fired ? This misunderstanding of the democratic process is the scariest.

Moron. How can you support “individual state rights” when you want a federal mandate on this issue? Palin needs to practice thinking.

==Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.==
If you read the next, few verses, and compare them to other verses on the subject, it’s clear that Jesus there is talking about the unrighteous. Particularly in view of the fact that, later, He tells the Righteous to judge Righteously — that is, according to the Word of God.

==/– Why are you voting Democrat? –
Because Obama is the best chance we have on turning this country around and digging out from the damage inflicted over the last 8 years of two numnuts in office.==
You can’t say anything without referring to Lib talking points, huh. That’s almost word-for-word Lib.

==Sarah Palin says that she wants to add an amendment to the constitution that says that marriage should be between a man and a woman. So yes, she would make marriage a FEDERAL issue, aka an issue for Big Government.==
So, to YOU, Freedom of Speech is “Big Government,” is that it? We see.
==even though you said nobody cares about what I have to say about the issue, thanks for taking the time to dissect my post.==
I do it for practice, not cuz I care about what Libs say. Shootin’ fish in a barrel, and I don’t care what the fish think about it.

Mr. Incredible, God doesnt it like it when you act self-righteous. Throw your stones at your own house, man.

==Mr. Incredible, God doesnt it like it when you act self-righteous.==
He wouldn’t like if I were, and I’m not, since I bring the Word of God, not my own word, to the subject.

==“For the reasons explained in section IV of the report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.11(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.
“The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”==
Sarah wants everybody to believe that she posted the relevant parts of the report, and, yet, she didn’t post the part that says that Palin did what her job requires and that she did nothing illegal.

Mr. Incredible, you say that like its a bad thing.
President Obama! Get used to it!

Prop. 8 on California’s ballot, if it’s successful, would overturn the State Supreme Court’s ruling that says gay people in the state of California can marry. One of the outspoken critics of the measure appears in a Yes on Prop. 8 campaign ad (a “law” professor at Pepperdine University). In today’s Recorder (a Ca. legal newspaper) a well respected parter at Morrison & Foerster had this to say:
This is a one-sided debate that is addressed to you, Richard Peterson. You have listed yourself as a faculty member of Pepperdine University School of Law and you have, as is your right under the First Amendment, broadcast your views throughout the state in a pro-Proposition 8 advertisement.
I wrote you a polite letter and I asked you to debate the measure but I have heard nothing and I take it you’re not going to respond. Therefore, if you don’t mind, I would like to express to you and anybody who reads this my thoughts on the points that you make and what’s wrong with them. In my view, your points are deeply flawed, misleading and, at times, an attempt to play on the fear of the viewer unfairly.
Here goes:
First, in California, when there are two people who are in love and who are committed to each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together, they should have, as declared under the law, every right to be married like anybody else.
In support of Prop 8, you have falsely suggested that churches would have a tax problem if the initiative were not passed. Prop 8 should be defeated and its defeat will not cause any problem to churches. Churches have the protection of the First Amendment. They are free to marry or not marry anyone they wish and they would not lose their tax-exempt status as you suggest. Your point is unworthy of a law professor.
In a similar vein of attempting to frighten people, you have suggested that somehow, if Prop 8 does not pass, little children will be taught about same-sex marriage in school, and that this will be bad for them. As others have pointed out, there is no requirement that schools have to teach anything about marriage, and furthermore, whatever is taught will be determined by the local school boards.
I would have thought, sir, as I assume you are a religious person, that you understand and have indeed taught that God has made all of us, not just some of us. If we are in God’s image, then we must accept all of God’s children. This is fundamental and you should accept it.
With regard to your religion, it has no place in the California Constitution, just as I am sure that you would not want me to enshrine my religion in our state’s laws. I not only respect your religion, but have, in court, defended people’s right to practice their religion. But it still should not be put into the Constitution.
You have presented yourself as a law professor and indeed you are, but the courses you’ve taught seem to have nothing to do with the Constitution. You are not, as far as I can determine, a person who has studied the constitutional law of this country, taught it, or litigated it in cases involving it. Perhaps I am wrong, but your school Web site’s biography does not show it. Therefore, as you present yourself as an expert in the California Constitution, I would seriously question your credentials to do that.
Your commercials attack the judges of California. This is despicable for a number of reasons. One, you are a law professor and you know better. Two, they cannot answer you, they cannot fight back because it’s against the rules that govern judges and you know that. More important is the fact that those judges did what they thought was right under the law and they deserve your respect and the respect of the people of California. They are learned, they are studious and they believe that people in California under the Constitution are entitled to equality and equal rights. It is one of the most fundamental constitutional principles that govern and indeed protects all of us.
Equality itself involves the rights of citizens and the rights of minorities. As many Californians are minorities, this is fundamental to any understanding of our Constitution. As a lawyer, I am sure you have been told this many times. So the suggestion that the majority should be allowed to oppress a minority or to deny a minority equal protection is one that you ought to know is not governed by the California Constitution and should not be.
Further, you should know that U.S. Supreme Court authority says that you can not write discrimination into a state constitution. There are cases that have held exactly that, which would mean that Prop 8 would be a dead letter.
The history of marriage includes the history of using it as a weapon against unpopular or despised groups. I could give you many precedents and if we ever do debate, sir, I would be happy to suggest a few to you where certain groups were not allowed to marry as a manifestation of social opprobrium. This history has, for example, included race until it was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court and the California Supreme Court. Before it was struck down, a white person could not marry a black person. That sad history should not be resurrected in Prop 8 and that is one of the reasons this initiative should be defeated.
The people that you attempt to discriminate against are our friends, our neighbors, our colleagues. They are people who pay taxes, they are people who fight and die in our military, they serve in our police forces and our fire departments. In every way possible they participate in our society and our culture. They do everything that they can as citizens of California, and yet you want to put it in the Constitution that they be denied a fundamental right, the important right of marriage which is so central to one’s life.
Sir, there is not enough love in this world and what love there is should be nurtured and not opposed by a state government and certainly by a state constitution.
There are a lot more arguments but these will have to suffice. I am voting no on Prop 8 and I am asking anybody I can find to do the same.
If you ever want to debate this issue before Nov. 4, please let me know.
Very truly yours,
Jim Brosnahan
Simply put — if this prop. wins, the lawsuit is ready to be filed on Nov. 5th to strike it down. The Constitution (whether federal or state) is for the protection of all citizens, not just the few who would try and make it their own voice.

Fear not Mr. Incredible, for it is written:
[33.60] If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease and the agitators in the city do not desist, We shall most certainly set you over them, then they shall not be your neighbors in it but for a little while;

==Mr. Incredible, the Rapture is coming for you.==
I hope so cuz that means that I’m goin’ with Jesus while the wicked disobedient stay here and experience the Tribulation suffering.
However, don’t worry, we’ll be back to set up rule under Jesus.

– give it to somebody else who didn’t earn it so that person –
Sorry, but incorrect. We all pay for government spending. If you want to spend more, like for a $10 billion a month unprovoked attack against another country, you have to raise the money somehow.
Given your logic, I bet your checkbook is overdrawn.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/

..and I’m ill.

Mr. Incredible, Jesus was a liberal who believed in helping those without. Remember the camel and the eye of the needle story??

==I am a moron.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | Oct 20, 2008 2:20:47 PM==
See how dishonest the Libs are?

==Mr. Incredible, Jesus was a liberal…==
No, He wasn’t. He was intolerant. He said that He is the ONLY Way to the Father.
==… who believed in helping those without.==
Without what? Oh, Salvation? I see.

Libs have to resort to forgery. That’s the kinda world they want, and what more reason do you need to vote against them November 4.

Mr. I, Jesus was a liberal fight the the evil conservative establishment!

==Mr. I, Jesus was a liberal fight the the evil conservative establishment! ==
No, He was not a Lib. He was intolerant. He said that He is the ONLY Way to the Father.

==Conservatism is a mental disorder. Good thing you will be able to get that taken care of under Obama’s health care plan.
==
And he thinks that he’s gonna pay for it by taxing 4% to pay for the care of 96%. Yeah, that’s gonna work. Heh.

==Conservatism is a mental disorder. Good thing you will be able to get that taken care of under Obama’s health care plan.==
Yeah, it’ll come under the communist coinage, “reëducation.”

If the country continues at this rate, I might as well retreat to my God-bunker with my guns and rations and wait it out.

Don’t worry. The forger will get tired of it.

Mr. I.. you are doomed:
[21.18] Nay! We cast the truth against the falsehood, so that it breaks its head, and lo! it vanishes; and woe to you for what you describe;
Your falsehoods are just that.. bye bye.
Prepare for your new president, Obama :)

==Come on Mr. I, we all know Jesus was a liberal.==
He was not. He was intolerant. He said that He is the ONLY Way to the Father.
==…which country would Jesus attack?==
Unknown.
==Who would Jesus lie about?==
Your point?
==Do you think Jesus would have used bombs to attack the wrong country????==
Unknown.
==How much money would Jesus put into the military??==
Unknown.

CATHOLIC DEMOCRAT, who cares about the catholic church?

Mr. I, you brought up the reeducation camps.
Since Obama is a communist in your eyes, do you think he will send you republicans to reeducation camps? If he follows Mao’s lead, he will kill the smart ones, and stupid ones will get reeducated. At least you know you will be reeducated.

I wish folks like independent realist and his pals ObamaBiden would stop quoting the Bible since they clearly show their ignorance of it. The left is constantly quoting the Bible and holding rallies in churches and then they cry separation of church and state. Yes God is Love, but the Bible also says He is Holy, He is Just, He is Righteous, He Creates. Libs like to pick and choose the attributes of God they like and discard the ones they don’t. That is call Idolatry (creating a false god) and guess what, God Hates Idolatry more than anything. Yes, your fellow idol worshiper Obama may win the election, but he won’t be able to avoid judgment day, and neither will you.

==Incredible doesn’t believe the founding fathers of the United States overthrew a government.==
That’s correct. They didn’t. The government in England continued.

“The left is constantly quoting the Bible and holding rallies in churches and then they cry separation of church and state”
huh? Rallies in churches, we leave that to the radical fringe right. I have no need for churches. My God is everywhere and in everything, and he/she is a loving God and comes in many forms, Gaia, Bhudda, Ganesh, a huge redwood tree. Your bible spouting and end of days nonesense means nothing to me – it is more fear mongering promoted by weathly Churches to control peoples minds and politics. You are sheep.

==Incredible doesn’t believe that the party we’re going to have after all the holy ones get raptured up to heaven is going to be worth sticking around for.==
Believe me, it aint’ gonna be a party. You won’t believe it even as it’a happening to you. And that’s ok, cuz I got mine, and my Salvation isn’t impacted by you.

Wow, Mr. I. That is some heavy stuff you are laying out there. The nice thing about make believe is that the ending always comes out the way you want it to.

==The nice thing about make believe is that the ending always comes out the way you want it to.==
That’s why I don’t believe in the homosexual agenda.

Really? Foolish? Which ones is it that grants wishes, is it the fairies, or angels, I keep forgetting. Did god speak through a burning Bush? I never seen the president on fire?
Hey, why is it that none of the books in the bible are from people who witnessed Jesus first hand. All those books were left out for some reason.

I’m so sorry about my earlier posts – I’ve had therapy and now realize and accept my homosexuality. I realize that my hatred and intolerance was a result of repressing my true loving nature toward other men. No religion on government – God is love.

==The worst VP Pick ever.==
A Lib really expects us to consider his take on it and balk. Can you believe it?

The homosexual agenda shall live on in the after-life and we’ll all party-on with a loving god.

I’ve found that I’m actually sexually attracted to Senator Obama – therefore I must call him by his middle name and attempt to degrade him. You understand don’t you – I really think he’s cool and sexy.

==Which ones is it that grants wishes, is it the fairies, or angels, I keep forgetting.==
That’s the problem; you keep forgetting.
== Did god speak through a burning Bush?==
Which “god”?
== I never seen [sic] the president on fire?==
Gee, you never did!!!???
==…why is it that none of the books in the bible are from people who witnessed Jesus first hand.==
You mean, like John?
== All those books were left out for some reason.==
That is, if you believe the scoffers’ web sites.

Sigh…all this trying to preach the word of God in my hostile and polarizing manner really backfired. I guess it’s back to survivalist-school for me.

I’d really like to go back to Alaska and sit in my cabin and collect royalty checks from the oil company. Maybe that would be better than all this religious hate-speak anyway. God is Love!

I have seen the true Bible – God has revealed it to me & Sarah Palin is not in it!

Uhmm… John, Matthew, Peter, James, Jude were all first hand witnesses of Jesus. Paul was blinded by Jesus on the road to Damascus. Fact is, the only New Testament writer who did not, as far as we know, have a first hand encounter with Jesus was Luke. There are not any books left out that should be there. The books that you want in the NT were frauds, hoaxes, and not words spoken by God. The churches knew what books were from God and which ones were from gnostics and other cultists. Typical liberal, trying to tell us what our beliefs should be. Maybe if folks like independent realist would become educated about history and church history there could be some intelligent discussion.

Jesus is coming….. everyone look busy!
President Obama, he’s real, and he’s here now! Get used to it!

I realize that I have been mislead by the religious right. Lance – please get a clue – the Bible is JUST ANOTHER BOOK!

JESUS IS LORD!
==John, Matthew, Peter, James, Jude were all first hand witnesses of Jesus.==
You won’t be able to persuade those who get their “facts” from scoffers’ websites.
JESUS IS LORD!

Please send the porkchops LORD JESUS!

JESUS IS LORD!
Learn ye not from scoffer’s websites – such as Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, and O’Reilly!
I’m going to a party and they’re not invited.
JESUS IS LORD!

You know all those faithful, respectful Christians who use their belief in a loving and righteous God–the kind that will share their faith with you if you ask, go about their lives quietly celebrating and practicing their religion in alignment with a balance toward the Constitutional rights of all people who live in the USA? Yeah–I’m totally not like that.

JESUS IS LORD!
It’s been fun – but now I must go to Church and continue to beg forgiveness for all my lies and worship of Rush Limbaugh – the fat golden calf.
Bless you all. Come to my par-teh!
JESUS IS LORD!

JESUS IS LORD!
VOTE FOR OBAMA – so sayeth the golden calf.
JESUS IS LORD!

I like my bunker-style preaching…a little bit of fire, some brimstone, and a LOT of stone throwing.

Obama is President! and that is real.

JESUS IS LORD!
And he can see Russia from the sky. So sayeth the GOOD BOOK by Sarah Palin.
JESUS IS LORD!

I like wizards…but I prefer God, he’s just so much angrier and with lots more magic.

JESUS IS LORD!
I’m going to par-teh with Senator Obama, but not with McCain. Vote for Obama/Biden ’08 for true moral character. So sayeth the true christian.
JESUS IS LORD!

Indep Realist…. You may notice I don’t say Go McCaine or Go Palin. The election will not have any impact upon my life. This thread was begun talking about marriage and who has the right to define it. People like you say (liberal socaialist) that a person like me (christian conservative) has no right to define marriage. Marriage already has a definition and the vast majority of people around the world throughout history know and have known the definition: one man and one woman. It is you who are attempting to redefine a word for your own value system and you want to use the power of the state to force citizens such as myself to accept you redefinition. Since you are unable to get the majority of citizens and their representatives to agree with you, instead you find a few unelected judges to redefine marriage. Our only recourse is a constitutional amendment to stop you.

Sometimes when I feel sad and blue, I like cast a little bit of judgement here and there…it’s a real picker-upper.

JESUS IS LORD!
Marriage already has a definition and the vast majority of people around the world throughout history know and have known the definition: one man and one woman.
EXCEPT for those many societies that practice polygamy. I wish I lived there! Too bad you are so uneducated and narrow-minded Lance!
JESUS IS LORD!

I agree Palin and it is not our job to judge others and it’s God’s job to judge. God still love the sinners and give man a free choice but every choice you make, there is consequence coming with you. I respect Gay people as person. I don’t like what they do but I respect them.

I’m so intolerant…how do I STAND myself? yeck, yuck, icky. Gotta go have some merlot and read my latest issue of Guns & Ammo.

JESUS IS LORD!
I’d like a bigger schlong too God!
JESUS IS LORD!

JESUS IS LORD!
those homosexuals are so immoral – but GOSH DARN IT that gay pride parade looks like fun! Maybe I’ll stop being a hater.
JESUS IS LORD!

JESUS IS LORD!
I will volunteer to marry Bristol, but secretly lust for TODD!
JESUS IS LORD!

JESUS IS LORD!
I do so love it when GOD disciplines me. Especially when he brings out the whips, chains, and penis rings. Ummmmmm!
JESUS IS LORD!

oh Mr. Incredible, how about we meet in this nice little bathroom stall I know. We can talk “bible verses”!

Yeah, “health of the mother” … nice excuse – who cares about the b&#$ches. Both the mother and the fetus should die! Take no prisoners!

JESUS IS LORD!
“that one” – what he said!
JESUS IS LORD!

JESUS IS LORD!
Where, in the Word of God, is there ANY mention of a Godly, marital union of two men?
Where, in the Word of God, does He explain that the so-called “same-sex ‘marriage’” is on par with the marriage of a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife?
Malachi 2:15 [AMP] explains that the purpose of the union of a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife, is the production of Godly children. Assuming, for the moment, that God says that so-called “same-sex ‘marriage’” is also Godly, where does He say it?
JESUS IS LORD!

yeah – Palin is only for marriages that are so bad they end with someone getting fired and another being investigated (her sister’s) or ones between irresponsible teenagers(her daughter’s).

JESUS IS LORD!
But I’d like to join with another man! Secretly, because I’m a hypocrite. And mine God with smite down those who accuse me of this fornication that I so love! I’m so confused!
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I’ve reported the abuse of this board by the forger who is posing as me.
It’s a good thing that ABC News can track e-mail addresses and see who is and who isn’t who they say they are.
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Where, in the Word of God, is there ANY mention of a Godly, marital union of two men?
Where, in the Word of God, does He explain that the so-called “same-sex ‘marriage’” is on par with the marriage of a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife?
Malachi 2:15 [AMP] explains that the purpose of the union of a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife, is the production of Godly children. Assuming, for the moment, that God says that so-called “same-sex ‘marriage’” is also Godly, where does He say it?
It’s clear from the Text that God created Man in the form of a man and a woman and joined them together in Godly matrimony — WHAT, not who.
Where, in the Word of God, does God also create Man homosexual and join a man and another man in Godly matrimony?
Where, in the Word of God, does God refer to what is now called “marriage” as the union of other than a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife?

let us have our day. and let god be the judge..people are often afraid of things they don’t understand. and if they don’t want to reach out and understand it. then some will judge it. and try to ruin others lives… greg

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==…people are often afraid of things they don’t understand. ==
I agree with you that those who claim to be homosexual have chosen not to understand but that they have nothing to fear from us.
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==To the real Mr. Incredible, thanks for reporting the abuse.==
It was about time somebody did something. I’m happy to do my part cuz, no matter what, I’m standin’ up against Libs, and i don’t care what they think about it, either.
== It is so sad that liberals have to resort to their adolescent antics whenever they cannot win a rational debate.==
It’s in their genes. They were born that way. Heh.
== Their next step is violence. If Obama does not win they are going to burn down their own homes and the businesses in their own neighborhoods. And the cry that their aren’t any banks or grocery stores near them.==
Riots are being planned, y’know.
== Comparing the homosexual marriage debate to bi-racial marriage is so silly.==
Of course it is. The mixed marriage is STILL the union of a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife, completely aligned with the Word of God.
In the so-called “same-sex ‘marriage,’” who is the husband and who is the wife?
==Neena, bi-racial marriage has been going on since the Tower of Babel. Homosexual unions have always been an ABOMINATION.==
Great point!

==Mr. Incredible, all your previous posts do not qualify as a “discourse of ideas”…==
Yes, they do.
==…you were doing your share of inflammatory polemic. ==
No, I wasn’t.

Mr. Incredible is really a bored teenager, his rejoinders are juvenile.

I’m a Republican who will vote McCain, but some of these posts from Mr. Incredible are disgusting and have to stop.

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==Who IS the real Mr. Incredible? I bet he is a terrorist.==
There was a forger here, and he was impersonating me. He also forged Lance. I reported the forger. Lance may have, also.
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Didn’t Palin say she wanted states to decide? Why the federal mandate? Where is McCain on this?

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==Didn’t Palin say she wanted states to decide? Why the federal mandate? ==
It’s not absolute, one-way, or the other. Both can be relevant.
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I am not required to agree with Libs in order to post here.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | Oct 20, 2008 4:25:49 PM
No one said you had to agree.
Posted by: Ivy | Oct 20, 2008 4:31:47 PM
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Not in so many words. The message, however, is clear.
What Libs do in message boards is create an issue, focusing in on one, effective poster, and, then, kick up a lotta dust and blame that poster for all the commotion when, in fact, the Libs, doing their best imitation of a pack of dogs, are the real problem.

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==Hey Mr. Incredibly Homophobic,Ignorant, Backward, judgemental and dare I hazard a guess, Racist…==
Just a leeetle judgmental yourself, huh.

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Where, in the Word of God, is there ANY mention of a Godly, marital union of two men?
Where, in the Word of God, does He explain that the so-called “same-sex ‘marriage’” is on par with the marriage of a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife?
Malachi 2:15 [AMP] explains that the purpose of the union of a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife, is the production of Godly children. Assuming, for the moment, that God says that so-called “same-sex ‘marriage’” is also Godly, where does He say it?
It’s clear from the Text that God created Man in the form of a man and a woman and joined them together in Godly matrimony — WHAT, not who.
Where, in the Word of God, does God also create Man homosexual and join a man and another man in Godly matrimony?
Where, in the Word of God, does God refer to what is now called “marriage” as the union of other than a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife?
JESUS IS LORD!

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Gee, I wonder why no Libs will take on those questions.
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Oh, no, Mr. Incredible used a big word. Will wonders never cease?

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The forger is back.
Unfortunately, some small minds here don’t have the capacity to discern between the forger and me.
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Forgive Mr. Incredible, Father…he knows not what he do.

See ya later Mr. Not so Incredible. I am done feeding the trolls. If you notice, you’ve driven all the intelligent debaters off this blog. Have fun playing with yourself.

The marriage license issued by the state is a legally binding contract.
It has nothing to do with religion.
The state define the terms of this contract.
If you do not like the terms, then you negotiate to change those terms.
Unfortunatly there are too many people who do not understand the rule of law.
Most of these ignorant people are loud mouth religionists.
Enter Sarah Palin.

Come on, people. You are not supposed to laugh at people like Mr. Incredible, he’s a special case.

Now, where did I put my Joel Osteen collector’s set?

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I feel so powerless in my daily life, I like to talk about God in the manner I do because I feel unlovable. I’m empty on the inside.
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I wish I had a wife, so I can make her obedient to me and my crazy beliefs. I really, really need to dominate someone.
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==DEFINITION OF A CONSERVATIVE
resistant to change==
What kind of “change”? Should we embrace ALL change?
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I don’t like change myself, unless the Bible tells me so. Or, when God tells me during my weekly prayers sessions.
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More ignorant bigoted fundie blather from Caribou Barbie. Well, it’ll all be over in two weeks and she can go home and be investigated for ethics violations. Good riddance.
~A~

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==More ignorant bigoted fundie blather from Caribou Barbie. Well, it’ll all be over in two weeks and she can go home and be investigated for ethics violations. Good riddance.==
I’d buy a ticket to see your face when McCain wins.
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==More ignorant bigoted fundie blather…==
Translation: “Quack, quack, quack…”
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No but i can tell you where to shove that spam Mr Imbecile.
Im sorry to let you know: Jesus hates you.

Liberal = Good
Conservatism = Mental disorder
Spread the wealth – hell yeah, get it out of the hands of the stinking rich who stole it from us.
Socialism – its been here all along. republicans just made it obvious when their president asked for $700 billion for the bale out, and the government taking over the banks.
Anti-American – Those who come on these blogs and make up cr@p about Obama.
Frustrated – Republicans
Loosing control – Republicans
Trying to steal the election – Republicans
Experience – Lincoln had no experience in uniting a divided country before his election
Racists – Republican talking heads
Spread the wealth – AIG took billions from tax payers, and then went on a $400,000 vacation
President Obama! Get used to it!

Palin as President? Hmmm … http://www.comedysmack.com/?/date/2008/10/17/madame-president

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/mccain-camp-no.html

Who is in charge of the McCain campaign? Isn’t it time that McCain or Palin’s handlers tell her that she is not the presidential candidate?
This is the third or fourth time in recent weeks that Palin has publicly taken a position opposed to McCain’s. If you regard a campaign as a job tryout, this does not bode well for a McCain administration.
If McCain is elected, Palin will be a loose cannon, firing out all sorts of right-wing fundie cr*p at variance with McCain’s policy.
At this point, McCain has nothing to lose. He should ditch the insubordinate Palin and select the running mate he should have selected nearly two months ago: a qualified, educated, intelligent, and responsible adult who understands that he or she is not in charge…yet.

Listen, I respect people’s rights as adults to make decisions – but don’t try to “recruit” my family to a homosexual lifestyle adn don’t try to alter the institution of marriage to embrace homosexuality. Do what you want in your own privacy… but don’t try to change public institutions or try to tell my children that homosexuality adn heterosexuality are equal. Do you own thing – and stay out of my living room.

Both Obama and Biden also has said that marriage should be between a man and a woman. It has been proven that some gay couples who were married in MA or CA and are living elsewhere, are having difficulties getting a divorce because their states do not recognize their marriage. So having the marriage of the gay couples as law is not going to work on a state to state basis.

Sarah…you as well as anyone know that Sen. McCain has some ideas that are more unfortunate than others. Sen. McCain’s choice of a running mate was a really bad idea which you confirm more and more each time you open your mouth Sarah.

Hey, has anyone seen Spartacus?

or like this f u c k

Someone actually wrote that “no one wants to see two women making out in public”!
What is this country coming to?
I’m betting that whoever wrote that is more than a little light in the loafers, if you know what I mean.

From Alaska, Palin shamelessly courted the media and Washington Republicans. She hired Washington Lobbyists from Wasilla for gosh sakes. This woman is anything but an unassuming hockey mom. She is driven. And so far, I haven’t seen anything she won’t do to get what she wants.

I completely agree with Sarah Palin about this! Homosexuality is sin! The Holy Bible calls it an abomination! Our country is sinful enough as it is! The day that we recognize gay marriages will be the day that our country will be doomed! Remember Sodom and Gomorrah?

carlyonsue: Sodom and Gomorrah
The story’s morality, as a whole, has been called into question, not just specifically the debate concerning whether or not it condemns homosexuality.
Lot’s daughters are offered by their father to an angry mob to be gang raped, Lot’s wife is turned into a pillar of salt for looking behind her and both daughters have sex with their father, each becoming pregnant and delivering healthy children. Critics argue that a story that includes condoned incest, a father offering his daughters for gang rape, the destruction of cities, and the killing of a mother for looking behind her cannot be used to justify condemning homosexuals. These critics argue that those who attempt to justify condemnation of homosexuality with this story willfully and unfairly ignore the incest and rape. This idea, however, assumes that simply because an event is recorded, it is condoned, and that a choice between two evils requires endorsing the lesser evil as good in and of itself. The inclusion of the “don’t turn around” idea from classical antiquity has been used to argue that the story is folklore, rather than the literal recording of events.

I think Palin would make a Fabulous President!
Why doesn’t the news pick a part obama the way they do her?

Jude – As a Republican I have to ask… are ya kiddin’ me? Fox news did a full half hour news broadcast throwing out everything they could about him. Rush Limbaugh has been on a tear from the beginning. I know a heck of a more about Obama than I do Sarah Palin. How can we vote for a candidate who won’t even have a decent press conference? The others arent’ afraid to face the media, what’s her issue? I’m going to elect someone to stand up to terrorists who can’t even face the press? We lose all credibility when you say things like that.

Palin’s opponents are wailing because she speaks the truth. Marriage is and was meant to be between a MAN and a WOMAN. Not between two men so that they can have anal sex or two women so that they can perform cunnilingus on one another. This Country is sick and is headed for eternal damnation. Have fun now fornicating and engaging in this sick behavior. President Obama or not, this Country will face judgement. Christ is coming, and he isn’t swayed by your liberally driven pollsters. You will reap what you have sown, we all will.

At least Palin has a backbone and doesn’t back down from her beliefs of marriage.
Marriage is supposed to be between Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

Here is a real shocker
http://www.dcexaminer.com/ap/?c=y&id=957159
At what point is someone charged for criminal activity.
The worst VP candidate ever

I agree with “Palin has a backbone”! Marriage, and sex, is supposed to be between a man and a woman. Not two men or two women! If God had intended Adam to have sex with another man He would have made Eve to be another man!

to me McCain is not a conservative and I would have never voted for a fake conservative but after Palin came along, she changed my mind and I am voting McCain because of Palin.
I like to see Liberals fret over Palin…You go girl and I will vote for you again for 2008 Presidential election. We the republican party will finally go back to our roots with Palin’s leadership!!!!!!! True conservatism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!all the Liberals better run to Europe or Canada.