Palin: ‘I Begged Our Speechwriters, “Don’t Make Me Say Joe the Plumber”‘
At a fundraiser in North Carolina last night, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she sometimes gets "depressed" watching the media coverage of this race, and also suggested she didn’t particularly want to discuss Joe the Plumber, unlike the man at the top of the ticket.
Palin talked about "those times on the campaign trail when sometimes it’s easy to get a little bit discouraged, when, you know, when you happen to turn on the news when your campaign staffers will let you turn on the news. Usually they’re like, ‘Oh, my gosh, don’t watch, you’re going to, you know, you’re going to get depressed.’ But yeah, sometimes you do get depressed watching what it is that they’re reporting, and the spin and some of the distortion of what our message is and what we stand for — sometimes that, that gets draining."
She gets "energized and inspired" when she meets supporters, however, Palin said. "We feel your strength and we feel the power of prayer; so many of you tell us that you are praying for us and praying for our country, and that’s why we so appreciate you being here."
The Alaska governor said the election in 18 days "is the choice between a candidate who will raise your taxes and that threatens our future, and a leader who’s going to Washington to work for Joe the Plumber, as you heard a lot about last night. And I, I begged our speechwriters, ‘Don’t make me say Joe the Plumber, please, in any speeches.’
"And I was asked, ‘Just one time, just at this fundraiser.’"
We took a look at Joe the Plumber last night on "Nightline." Watch HERE.
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Posted by: Danny | October 17, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
But “Joe Six Pack” is fine?
Please…the only reason you wouldn’t want to talk about the (unlicensed) plumber is because he’s the newest gimmick for McCain and that means your aren’t anymore.
Posted by: Greg in MN | October 17, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Keep reminding them of who you are and what you achieved, Sarah Palin.
You worked your way up from a small town girl all the way to Governor of Alaska. You didn’t do that because you were born at the top of the social ladder, went to the best schools, got the highest grades, or were voted most likely. You did it the old fashioned way: you worked your butt off, you made your own luck, and when the time came to step up or step out, you put the elbow to your opponent and stepped forward.
They believe they are smarter like the kid programmer who believes because he can make a circle dance on a screen he should run the company. But it is the person who understands other people, who gets up earlier, who works later and who never quits, never surrenders and never gives quarter that runs the company. The values that made you who you are are the values that made this country the most admired and successful in history: hard work, decency, putting family first, and love of God as realized through helping a neighbor.
Remember that, Governor, and no matter how this election goes, you will still be a winner. Screw the speechwriters. They are not running. Screw the handlers. Their name isn’t on the ballot.
Be Sarah. That has always been the winning move.
Posted by: len | October 17, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Why does Sarah Palin not do interviews with news reporters or talk show hosts on TV to address some issues around her, instead of reading speeches written by writers in rallies and the fund raiser parties?
I am still wondering why her husband Todd associated with troopergate investigation. Is he the “REAL” governor behind Sarah?
Posted by: A Voter | October 17, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
OBAMA IS CORRECT AGAIN: It’s not about Iraq!
A top general in charge of U.S. ground troops in Afghanistan says the enemy has increased by up to 30 percent in the last year and he is seeking re-enforcements.
“I’m telling you that the enemy did increase from 20 to 30 percent this last year….I’ll tell you that they are doing more complex activities which concerns me greatly,” says Gen. Schlosser.
Posted by: Mellisa | October 17, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Sara seems the Plumber has become more popular then you! You know Sara pretty sad Joe the Plumber HAS DONE MORE INTERVIEWS AND TALKED TO THE MEDIA MORE THEN YOU! be gone Gov back to Alaska!
Posted by: ANGIE | October 17, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Maybe she should take some anti-depressants. I know I need some after watching her for the past couple of months.
Posted by: Lisa | October 17, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Isn’t it funny in the last debate that when asked neither candidate would steadfastly endorse her as qualified for president. Hmmmmm……..
Posted by: BIGDADDY757 | October 17, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Someone is “making” the potential VP say something?
It once again just confirms that Palin is simply a GOP Parrot with no real knowledge of what she is saying.
Posted by: Typical | October 17, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Ah, Sarah Palin, and speechwriters,
I am not going to fall for the I begged the speechwriters line.
Mrs Palin is a Mavrick, if she did not want to say the name joe the plumber, well gosh, darnit, she should have just spoke from the heart and said forget the speechwriters.
nothing mavricky here.
no I think wanted to write these mean things, they found their voice in sarah palin, they thought it was a good idea to use her as their “attack dog”-it is not helping them, it is actually now beginning to backfire on them-and now they are going to try and garner some sympathy, ah, poor sarah, she is just up there, and they are making her say all of those things she really does not want to say, poor thing, it is depressing.
NO, you don’t go from Mavricking around to be muted.
so this is how they are trying to change the game again?
first she is sent out to raise hell
and now-poor me, i just say what they tell me to say, i have only been at this for five weeks.
john mccain your choice of vp was most unpatriotic.
nothing agains sarah palin, except, she is not ready to be vp, or president.
Posted by: world | October 17, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
THIS IS YOUR CHOICE?
But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy– Helping the — Oh, it’s got to be about job creation too.
Shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americas.
And trade we’ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation.
This bailout is a part of that.
Posted by: The Classics | October 17, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Speechwriters huh? Gee willikers and gosh darn I thought all those cute little folksy quirks were all Sarah. Who would have thought that somebody that took 5 colleges to get a single degree in journalism couldn’t come up with her own stuff?
That woman is a disgrace to our country. It’s time we pick a Presidential ticket that has some degree of intelligence. Isn’t eight years of moronic ineptitude enough?
Posted by: Bob Lees | October 17, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Yeah, I’m depressed too, thinking about the fall of America into the toilet under a McCain/Palin administration. An angry, old, shoot-from-the-hip man and a clever but uninformed radically conservative woman. Into the toilet we go, not so merrily, merrily though.
Posted by: counting crows | October 17, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Well next time Governor Palin talk about this…it needs more than prayers!
ACORN helped Obama to beat Hillary. However, there were many more involved. For example, where was N.O.W. when Hillary was being attacked for daring to be a strong woman? Silence is consent when your values are being destroyed.
The depths of the insanity, the desperation to get their hands on the Oval Office has led the DNC to fabricate a candidate (as you all know by now) – a Manchurian candidate at that. Their hand revealed – a lust for power – they will get away with it because no one chooses to go after the DNC and take them to task. (Hint)
The DNC and everyone who supports them is guilty of treachery. Intentionally subverting our democracy in the vain pursuit of grotesque power is high treason.
Those among you who have supported the DNC can now see the truth about the DNC… unless you willing choose to keep your blinders on. I’m not saying the RNC is any better; however, at this point, they are keeping their lust suppressed. That is no consolation.
Both parties must be brought to their knees. Our Constitution must be returned to its place as the absolute law of the land.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 17, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
The speechwriters made me do it!
Posted by: Thinking | October 17, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Let her do what she wants to do.
Biden said that JOBS was a THREE letter word among
all his other mistakes
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
Funny how the headline is about “Joe the Plumber” and not the obvious bias of the media that she is talking about. If there is one thing a politician should expect from the media it is that they are going to accurately reflect the positions and messages of both campaigns. Too much to ask for I guess, I mean, a guy who asked Obama a question has a TAX LIEN!
Posted by: The Dude | October 17, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
Yes indeed len…let’s remember who Gov Palin is and what she has achieved! She is former sportscaster with a bachelors degree, dubiously obtained from 5 different university programs, with a cumulative gpa of 2.2. She is the Governor of a state with such a massive surplus when she took office that she was able to give $3000 to each and every citizen and she heads up the largest welfare state in the nation. She believes that dinosaurs and humans roamed the earth together, that she needs protection from witchcraft, that abstinence only education works and that government that actually serves the people is a problem. She’s coming to my hometown tonight, and so we are all wearing our prettiest Sarah Palin peep toe pumps, because at the end of the day, that’s all she has to offer. Really pretty shoes!
Posted by: andee262 | October 17, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
The Dude – Joe the Plumber had a tax lean.
How would you like the media to go through your life?
It’s said how the media tried to destroy a mans life, that should be the story.
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Palin would rather speak her hate speech then talk about Joe. She is an adult woman and they restrict her TV news?
This woman thrives on hate. She is haughty and uneducated.
As a woman, she shames me.
Posted by: Jan | October 17, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Isn’t it funny in the last debate that when asked neither candidate would steadfastly endorse her as qualified for president.
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I couldn’t believe that even McCain skirted the question.
You know Obama wanted to say, “You’re kidding right?”
But he used the “it’s up to the voters decide” line instead.
Recent polls show over 60% of the public does not feel Palin is qualified for the job. Pretty sad when many in your own party don’t believe you’re ready.
But, perhaps even scarier, is the 39% that said she IS credible
Posted by: Rachel in NC | October 17, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
Proof that Palin is a republican parrot……some maverick..wink wink.
Posted by: jenni | October 17, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Have you checked todays Polls?
GALLUP’s ‘traditional’ likely voter model shows Obama with a two-point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within poll’s margin of error…
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Rachel in NC
She is pulling massive crowds
I guess someone lilkes her
Posted by: jane | October 17, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
I get so tired of hearing Palin spout off about prayer. She is the biggest fake Christian I have ever seen. No true Christian would ever do or say the hateful things she spits out on a daily basis.
Posted by: Average Mom | October 17, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
GALLUP POLL:
GALLUP’s ‘traditional’ LOL
FOX NEWS HAD TO FIND SOMETHING TO GIVE YOU HOPE!!
GALLUP’s ‘traditional’ DOSENT FIT AND HASNT BEEN USED THIS YEAR!!
GALLUP’S POLL THAT HAS BEEN USED ALL THIS YEAR STILL SHOWS OBAMA WITH A SIX POINT LEAD!
OBAMA 49% MCCAIN 43%
THATS THE SAME GALLUP POLL WE HAVE USED ALL YEAR !
OBAMA 49% MCCAIN 43%
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Len:
You wrote: …”You did it the old fashioned way: you worked your butt off, you made your own luck, and when the time came to step up or step out, you put the elbow to your opponent and stepped forward”.
Yeah, she also violated ethnic rules, became vindictive and tried to muscle her opponents and enemies with the help of her husband. She is an instigator of hate and not very intelligent. Plus how are can it be to be a governor of a state with the population of Brooklyn.
Yeah, she has shown such accomplishments, how admirable! She is just as corrupt as the rest of them. Please go back to Alaska and hibernate.
Posted by: JDB | October 17, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
I’ve always thought that dumbness was a antidote to depression. I think ms. Palin could watch all the TV she wanted and wouldn’t know enough to be depressed.
Posted by: jrc903 | October 17, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Speaking of tax leans…so does the treasuer of Obambi’s campaign. Read all abou it in the LA Times. No one in the lamestream media talking about that.
The way they have gone after “Joe” is indicative of the way the media has behaved anytime ANYONE is crtical of “The one”. What in the world are the media – including you Jake, for the next 4 years – just cheerlead?
Posted by: mots | October 17, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Jake, when is the MSM going to start reporting the facts about “Joe the Plumber”? He’s as much a plumber as you are. He hasn’t completed an apprenticeship program, he doesn’t have a plumber’s license (it appears he’s been working illegally), he doesn’t have a contractor’s license, and as far as anyone can determine, he’s not even registered to vote. People should know that, don’t you think?
Posted by: DryHeat | October 17, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Jane
Sara Palin goes into the Most Conservative parts of the country. You know probably thos folks still think Bush is doing a great Job and has been a good president, Some Members of the Gop do not like her shes too far to the Right! she does not attract Independents or Moderate Republicans!
Posted by: Angie | October 17, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
I GUESS PALIN HAS GOT HER JOE–JOE SIX PACK AND NOW THEY WANNA SELL HER ANOTHER JOE, JOE THE PLUMBER?
HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW THEM OBAMAMANIACS TURNED THEIR FIRE IMMEDIATELY ON JOE THE PLUMBER ONCE HE DISSED OBAMA.
ATTACK
ATTACK
ATTACK
THAT’S ALL THEY KNOW
THEY’VE SENT OVER HALF A BILLION DOLLARS WITH A “B” TO THIS MESSAIH, SOME FOREIGN MONEY, OF COURSE..FROM PEOPLE WITH ALPHABETH SOUP NAMES. “IHJD” AND “FDSO”
NOW ACORN—
OBAMAMNIACS DAMAGE PEOPLE’S REPUTATION, CALL ALL OF US RACIST… JUST SO WE CAN THINK “CULTISH” LIKE THEM.
WE DONT BELIEVE OBAMA, WE DONT LIKE OBAMA, PERIOD.
WE BELIEVE OBAMA AND HIS HANDOUTS, “SPREADING THE WEALTH” WILL DRIVE US INTO DEEPER DEPRESSION.
WE DONT TRUST OBAMA AND NEITHER DOES JOE THE PLUMBER
SO, GO AHEAD AND ATTACK JOE THE PLUMBER.
Posted by: TJ, THE CLINTONITE | October 17, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
How would you like the media to go through your life?
It’s said how the media tried to destroy a mans life, that should be the story
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Well when John McCain uses your name 40 times in a national Presidential debate and makes you the central theme of his economic policy, what exactly does one expect to happen?
Don’t blame the press, blame McCain.
I find it amusing that the guy would actually benefit more from Obama’s plan than McCain’s.
Again, the McCain campaign didn’t vet someone. Too funny!
Posted by: Rachel in NC | October 17, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
“she violated the ethnic rules”
???
Are those the rules that say if you aren’t the right ethnic group you can’t be mad about the economy, or fight back against a smear campaign?
Posted by: len | October 17, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
And Obama is so far to the left
Posted by: jane | October 17, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Will somebody please inform Ms. Palin that “Joe the Plumber” is not even a licensed plumber and that his concerns about taxes is pretty funny considering he hasn’t paid his taxes and owes the government. It amazes me that this “phoney” is worried about taxes he doesn’t even pay !! And just once I would like to hear something original out of Palin’s mouth. I am so sick of hearing her repeat inaccurate and worn out words used by McCain. She really is a modern version of Edgar Bergen’s Charlie McCarthy !!
Posted by: Jacki L | October 17, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
The RNC wants to foist upon us a VP that has not MET THE PRESS nor FACED THE NATION. They will not let her visit Jay Leno nor David Letterman. Joe the Plumber has given more impromptu interviews thatn she has.
Depressed??? Palin still has another investigation going on that she has endorsed but, um, it’s being conducted by a Democratic investigator which can’t bode well for her AND, she’s facing two lawsuits!! Yup, Yup, Wooten and Monegan have lawyered up against, Sarah, Todd, staffers and the State of Alaska. Kinda like gettin found not guilty of murder and still losing your house ala O.J. Shyt ain’t lookin so bright for Sarah at the moment but isn’t that what the story of Icarus tells us.
Sarah Small Town Politician, this is what it feels like flyiing too close to the sun.
Posted by: Bob | October 17, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
“And I, I begged our speech writers, ‘Don’t make me say ‘Joe the Plumber,’ please, in any speeches.’
“They’re messin’ up my Joe Sixpack gimmick, doggone it!”
Posted by: JetMN | October 17, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Jacki, he doesn’t have to be a licensed plumber, the company he works for is.
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Yes, let’s remember she is the Governor of Alaska who made her own luck, made her own success and didn’t get a lick of help from the east coast ivy leaguers or west coast computer nerds who take money for nothing and looted our 401ks.
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Sure, she ran a solvent town of 6000 $22 million into debt.
She ran against the most corrupt governor in America (and promised pork projects like the bridge to nowhere in her campaign) and won by reading speeches attacking him.
She, in her few months as Governor, requested more pork barrel projects per capita than ANY governor in America. (more than Obama, but McCain thinks that’s an issue)
She raised taxes on oil companies but now thinks raising taxes is a bad idea. Guess it’s ok for her, but not for anyone else?
She has shown she has no prior interest in national affairs and thus has no knowledge of national or international issues.
She may be great for the state of Alaska (population the size of Memphis), but no way she should be a NATIONAL leader!
Posted by: Rachel in NC | October 17, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Jane – Those massive crowds are really talent scouts for all the commedians, SNL and the late night comics, pencil in hand ready to write down her latest folksey saying. I am sure that they all are secretly praying McCain wins. Just think 4 years of the easiest comedy writing there has ever been.
Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 17, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
POWELL the former Secretary of State will appear as a guest on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
IS HE READY TO ENDORSE?
Developing…
On NBC’s “Today,” former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson said a potential Obama endorsment from Gen. Powell would be “a huge blow” to McCain.
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
One thing is for sure.
Since ‘Joe’ showed the world Obama’s spread the wealth plan, the news and the talk shows have been doing everything in their power to dig up any and all dirt on ‘Joe’ to discredit and demean him.
The obvious is that liberals now are seathing with hatred toward Joe.
Posted by: They really hate Joe | October 17, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
On the very day that EVERY media outlet had headlines that read, “Palin guilty od Abuse of Power and Ethics Violation”, she had the gaul to look into a camera and say “I’m glad the report cleared found me innocent of doing anything illegal or unethical”
Is she delusional, stupid, or trying the Jedi mind trick?
Posted by: Rachel in NC | October 17, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
McCain insulted the nation by choosing Palin and she twisted the knife by accepting. McCain knows better and Palin’s only saving grace is she’s too stupid to know better.
Thanks for Burning Palin so early in her career McCain! The GOP is readying Bobby Jindal for 2012. Although I think he’s an accomplish politician, you wingnuts need to google him. That’s gonna be a HOOT!
Posted by: Bob | October 17, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Mike,
No, because people are creatures of habit.
They go in and vote how they voted in the last election.
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
News Flash:
The McCain/Palin campaign is broke, disparate, dysfunctional and can not match the Obama campaign war chest of funds.
18.. days left and counting
The “Rocker is Waiting” on John McCain.
Posted by: Lookup | October 17, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
TJ – The man is a plumbers assistant. He is not licensed. He is not fixing to but a business and he earns nowhere near 250,000 per year. He cheerfully admited as much to anyone with a camera and a microphone. HE LIED. He does not get my sympathy. McCain does not get my vote.
Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 17, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
Look up
All that money that Obama is spending and the $9 million its going to cost on each network on Oct 29.
The way he blows $$$ and you wanat him in charge of your checkbook.
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
No, we don’t hate Joe at all.
We find it hilarious that John put him in the spotlight only to discover that ol’ Joe would be better off voting for Obama.
Poor Judgment – the cornorstone of the McCain campaign
Hahahahahaa
Posted by: Dave | October 17, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Up front, yes I support Obama/Biden. This is not an assumption on my part on who is going to win. The only poll that matters is on Nov. 4.
Anyway…
I’m curious, McCain and Palin are starting to sound like they are giving hints of concession speeches. If this is a campaign tactic, I don’t think it will help with the supporters. I hope it’s not a tactic, because that will undermine his need to get out his supporters on Nov. 4.
McCain has sounded that way a couple of times over the last few days. Believe me, that’s not what I want. I want a clean, honest, and decent fight to the end. I don’t want to see him concede prematurely by any means. Would seem to tarnish him in an unnecessary way.
I understand the underdog theme. Makes sense and is typical in any election. Someone has to be the underdog and it’s worked before.
But I would also like to point out, it’s sounding more and more like Palin is done supporting McCain and trying to position herself for the future. She sounds like she’s throwing him under the bus at times. The proclamations of where she wants to campaign (go back to MI, etc.) and what she wants to bring up but “he won’t let me” stuff, sounds very self-serving and not good for the ticket.
I think that’s a betrayal of McCain. He’s the head of the ticket and he chose her. I can understand the need for self-preservation, if she feels like she’s not going to get where she wants to be. But if she’s trying to distance herself from him, that offends me. He didn’t have to choose her (in theory, I won’t pretend to know the rationale). He could have completely ignored suggestions that she be named. So this is how you treat the man who brought you out of obscurity? You bite the hand that feeds you?
I think McCain has been ill-served by everyone around him. I still wouldn’t agree with him politically, but I feel badly that so many, including his running mate, have stifled his message.
Posted by: This is SO Old | October 17, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
She doesn’t give a stump speech — it’s a dump speech– as in dumping on the other side — or maybe a stump speech with the stump (as in dumb as a) doing the speaking. If McCain loses the blame game will center on him picking her.
Posted by: bhciapol | October 17, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Jane, WE gave him that money to blow to get elected!!1 HaHaHaHAAA! If he didn’t spend it, he’d be betraying our trust.
Posted by: Bob | October 17, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
IS SARAH PALIN A PRISONER ???
“And I, I begged our speech writers, ‘Don’t make me say ‘Joe the Plumber,’ please, in any speeches.’
FREE SARAH PALIN AND SEND HER BACK TO
ALASKA!
‘Don’t make me say ‘Joe the Plumber,’ please!
DOESNT SOUND LIKE A PITBULL ???
DOES IT ???
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
bob, as a dem, i agree with you,
bobby j. should have been mccain pick.
he is smart, articulate, and actually being all those things the mccains tried to tell us sarah palin was.
sarah palin pales to bobby j.
bobby j. should have been mccain pick,
maybe things would have been a bit closer. not sure.
Posted by: world | October 17, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Oh please, Sarah Palin can say Joe-six-pack, but not Joe the Plumber. She is such as FAKE.
Plus, she wouldn’t be so depressed if she stopped telling lies at rallies and instituting violent behavior.
Posted by: thetruth | October 17, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Lets just give you liberals the benifit of the doubt on all your arguments about Joe the plumber! Does that change the words that came out of Obama’s mouth? Say he was a McCain plant, so he is not licensed, does that change a damn thing Obama said? NO!
Reguardless if Obama thought he was talking to somebody who was undecided or a McCain plant, the words do not change!
Obama’s quote “I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody,” Obama told Wurzelbacher.
Sorry Obama and you liberals this is called redistriution of wealth and it is SOCIALIST! This is America and we are a country built on hard work not government handouts!
So get off Joe’s back, his private affairs do not change what Obama said! No matter how much you want to smear this guy or anybody that disagrees with Obama’s view point, it is on tape!
“I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody,” Obama told Wurzelbacher.
I love it
Posted by: CHUCK | October 17, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Jenny,
Maybe the plumber has a dream to own the company.
Isn’t this the American Dream and you want to destory this.
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
“Keep reminding them of who you are and what you achieved, Sarah Palin.”
Yes, like keep reminding them that you were found to have abused your power as Gov. of Alaska and how you commited unethical acts.
Remind them how you tried to convice people that since you can see Russia from Alaska (a very small island belonging to Alaska actually) that you are qualified to deal with leaders from around the world.
Remind people that you can’t take questions from reporters unless they have already proved that they are in the tank for the Republican party.
Keep reminding us of this kind of stuff PLEASE!!!!!
Posted by: Greg in MN | October 17, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Some how I get the idea she thinks she could do things better and smarter than McCain. Could it be that her ego is getting the best of her? Remember what happend to John Edwards when that happened. She is beginning to believe she’s SPECIAL.
Posted by: LittleMissMooseShooter | October 17, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
All that money that Obama is spending and the $9 million its going to cost on each network on Oct 29.
The way he blows $$$ and you wanat him in charge of your checkbook.
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Uh Jane,
If you didn’t know this, WE sent him that money just for that purpose.
See, WE believe in OUR candidates and are willing to back with OUR checkbooks!
Unlike a percentage of Republicans who are asking your VP choice to step down.
Posted by: Rachel in NC | October 17, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Bob, obviously you are doing well under Bush.
Good for you.
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
this is old….said;
I think McCain has been ill-served by everyone around him. I still wouldn’t agree with him politically, but I feel badly that so many, including his running mate, have stifled his message.
And you are exactly right….
Posted by: militarymom | October 17, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Rachel you Too!
Glad things are well for you too.
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Where the only place where gas is still above $4.00?
You’d never know… ‘that one – Alaska’!
Posted by: Abiy in OH | October 17, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Oh ok Dave, because you say so.
Don’t take my word for it.
Click on any of the blogs to the left and read and read the comments about “Joe”.
There is a seathing hatred toward the man evident in most of the blogs from the Obama supporters.
Facts are facts.
Posted by: They sure hate Joe | October 17, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Jane: When the election is over Obama will have run a campaign with a surplus of funds left-over, even after paying off Senator Clinton’s bills.
Posted by: Lookup | October 17, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Jane
You need not worry about Senator Obamas money he is very good at budgeting Money, as far as anyone wanting to ruin the American Dream President Bush has done a great Job of that with the Help of Mccain!
Posted by: Angie | October 17, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Jane
I GAVE BARACK MONEY TO SPEND HOWEVER HE SEE’S BEST!
HE HAS TO WIN FOUR MORE YEARS OF BUSH’S IDEA’S LET ALONE JOHN MCCAIN AND HIS ERATIC LEADERSHIP IS SOMETHING I CANT EVEN BARE TO THINK OFF!
THANK FOR REMINDING ME IM GOING TO GIVE BARACK SOME MORE MONEY IN YOUR HONOUR!
:)
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
CHUCK
In the past 8 years, the wealthiest 5% of Americans have DOUBLED their holdings.
The middle class has seen stagnant growth at best. Actually a reduction if we factor in cost of living increases.
THAT’S PURE wealth redistribution!
Only, under Republican guidance, the wealth is redistributed FROM the middle class TO the already wealthy.
The wealthy get to coast on the backs of the middle class American.
If letting the mega-rich keep more money stimulates the economy and creates jobs, why is unemployment increasing, wages are decreasing, and our entire economy is tanked across the board?
Supply side economics is a failure. There is NO WAY to say otherwise. Not by ANY metric used. It FAILED!
I prefer a leader who is trying to help 85%+ of the American population over the guy whose main concern seems to be a lying plumber who claims to make over $250,000/year.
Say hello to PRESIDENT OBAMA!
Posted by: Dave in VA | October 17, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Jane, regardless of how I’m doing, McCain 2008 version disgusts me and everytime I listen to Palin, I’m even more energized. She’s toast after this election in more ways than one.
Just like OJ was found innocent of murder, she’s gonna be cash strapped for the rest of her life due to Wooten and Monegan defamation and Civil rights lawsuits.
Posted by: Bob | October 17, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
Look Up
Good maybe he can help pay the deficit, as his
programs that he wants are going to send it up another trillion
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
@Jane
Actually, he has to be licensed because the company he works for is only licensed to work in the city of Toledo and the state requires that he has a license, as well.
The only way he can work under his boss’ license is to work in the townships in Lucas County. They are NOT licensed to work in the county at all. Hence, he needs a license and has been working illegally.
Considering that he’s been with the company for six years and has NEVER taken even one step towards obtaining his license, I think he’s just caused his employer a lot of problems.
McCain’s campaign did him a great disservice by dragging him into the spotlight in the first place, but he caused himself a great many more. He enjoyed that spotlight a little too much for his own good.
Btw, he is legally registered to vote. That rumor was going around very early Thursday. He is obviously goes by his middle name, but is registered under his full name. Supposedly, there is a spelling error in his registration and I hope that will not cause him voting problems in Ohio.
Posted by: This is SO Old | October 17, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
PLEASE Sarah Palin is a joke and quite frankly SNL is were she should be all the time. I am a REPUBLICAN and I am sick of this election with MCSHAME and MCPAIN. They have basically made me ashamed of my canidate. OBAMA has the plan to get us out of the crap the REPUBLICANS have done with this country. I am tired of the Ayers crap he was freekin 8 years old and then he was on a commitee with him….. GET OVER IT MCCAIN it is not helping your crass, mean, old, over the top hatful look. I am a female who thinks this was a PLOY for VOTES did you even ask her a question about policies. You couldn’t even come up with a reason for her to be Vice President at the debate. If you want another 8 years of NO MONEY with John McCain telling you it is OK it will get better. SO it closing I a REPUBLICAN will now join the many MILLIONS who will ASK AND RECIVE CHANGE with OBAMA for President
Posted by: mcar | October 17, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Jane
Under Obama’s tax plan he will be able to get a lot of tax breaks and tax cuts. Perhaps if he saves that money he will be able to realize the American dream. I dispise dishonst people and I feel that the guy is just that.
Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 17, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Can you imagine McCain and Palin trying to handle a global financial crisis? Now that is a very scary thought indeed. As Joe The Plumber would say when he plunges out a drain “That Sucks!”
Posted by: hopesprings52 | October 17, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Mike
You will be giving him more $$$$ he has to pay for all the programs he want
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Jane… Would you hire an electrical contractor to do electrical work in your home by a person without a license. I think not !!!! But that still doesn’t excuse the fact that he still owes back taxes. I pay my taxes.. Do you ??
Posted by: Jacki L | October 17, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
“Yes, let’s remember she is the Governor of Alaska who made her own luck, made her own success and didn’t get a lick of help from the east coast ivy leaguers or west coast computer nerds who take money for nothing and looted our 401ks.”
Why the resentment towards success? I thought it was good to go to Ivy League schools and get high paying jobs? If this is the logic of McCain supporters, I think I see the issues. Criticizing the most educated among us is just a way to keep the masses down. “You’re fine uneducated don’t listen to them.”
If you are better off then you were 8 years ago, then vote Republican. Vote in your best interest don’t rely stereotypes such as ‘East Coast Elite’ and ‘Media Elite’ these are just terms created by political strategists to keep the middle class divided.
Posted by: get smart | October 17, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
I too would get depressed listening to the liberal media elites tell us we are racist for not wanting Obama to be present. Who tells us that Sarah Palin is dumb because she is not from Washington, who tells us that Larry the Plumber is a McCain plant. At some point in time, would these media elites come and visit people in small towns, with small town values and who understands that faith and hardwork is what grew this country. Not government taxing the people and redistributing wealth. That is what Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez do. Wake up America, John McCain will not do away with your values and try to move America into class warfare. Why is it that the media is doing their best to force us to vote for Obama. What is in it for them? Do they hate America so much that they don’t want people to decide for themselves who they want as president.
Posted by: Larry Smith | October 17, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Len,
Sarah, Tod, Palin Staffers and thstate of Alaska are about to be sued for millions by Wooten and Monegan for defamation and civil rights violations. And, there’s yet another investigation still open regarding the same issue. Too bad that Palin intiated that one herself and the Personnel Board appointed an aggressive Democratic lawyer to pursue it…oooops!
Posted by: Bob | October 17, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
“But yeah, sometimes you do get depressed watching what it is that they’re reporting and the spin and some of the distortion of what our message is and what we stand for, sometimes that, that gets draining.”
Well, if she wants to get her message out maybe she should give the dozens of interviews, do weekly hour-long sitdowns, and take the flak that all real politicians do. Otherwise, she’s just working on building the Whining Republican brand.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Posted by: Jane
Maybe the plumber has a dream to own the company.
Isn’t this the American Dream and you want to destory this.
NO JANE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS UNDER OBAMA’S TAX PLAN IT WILL BE EASIER FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO REACH THE AMERICAN DREAM.
THE PEOPLE WHO MADE IT ALREADY (TOP 5%) CAN AFFORD TO GO BACK TO PAYING WHAT THEY DID UNDER CLINTON!!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Jenny
You have the right to your own opinion.
I really don’t know anything about him.
The whole thing is that Obama said he wants to take the money when you make so much and then he will give it to someone who doesn’t want to work hard for it.
I think that is the issue not Joe the Plumber himself
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
“I cannot, in good conscience, support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief.”
John McCain 2001
OBVIOUSLY, HIS CONSCIENCE JUST DOESN’T BOTHER HIM ANYMORE.
Posted by: Dave in VA | October 17, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Hey Dave in VA:
Don’t get so happy just yet! New poll just came out see below. Seems that Obama getting caught with his pants around his ankles by JOE the Plumber might have opened a few eyes..
AP/YAHOO POLL: OBAMA 44, MCCAIN 42
Rasmussen: Obama 50 McCain 46
Zogby: Obama 48 McCain 44
I believe this is now the 4th Poll that shows this race it within the margin of error. But you know what you should be worried about Dave? The undecided vote ranges from 5-12% depending on the poll, and if we have on average 8% undecided right now, not looking good for Obama!
Put your tape measure away, not time to measure the draps just yet!
Posted by: chuck | October 17, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Palin won’t answer any follow up questions about abusing her power in Alaska, and as Jake reported, has continued to make flatly false statements about the report’s findings.
Palin’s cowardice in hiding from the mainstream press is unprecedented.
My parents were going to vote for McCain but consider the choice of Palin an absolute deal breaker.
They’re both voting for Obama.
Posted by: Danny | October 17, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
“….the news and the talk shows have been doing everything in their power to dig up any and all dirt on ‘Joe’ to discredit and demean him.”
That’s not necessarily so. He’s a brand new face to everyone and they want something new to write about–something that hasn’t been talked about to death. In the quest for details about him, they discovered he has no license, owes taxes,is nowhere near buying a company, which makes Obama’s plan best for him. He is a McCain supporter but after the facts are soretd out, Obama’s the man for him.
Posted by: JDL | October 17, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Jenny, I’m not worried aobut Sarah, she’s gonna get what she deserves, I think.
On the other hand, the way the extreme right flocks to Hannity, Limbaugh and O’Reilly, she might find a soft landing spot. Now that would burn my butt!
Posted by: Bob | October 17, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Anybody notice that Sarah is just plain dull when she’s not spewing hate and cynicism?
Posted by: Uncle Sam | October 17, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Speechwriters are MAKING her say things? Who’s pulling the strings on this puppet anyway?
Posted by: helloworld | October 17, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
well if you think about the sarah palin snl connection. if it were not for snl
we would not be paying any attention at all to sarah palin.
Posted by: world | October 17, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Joe the “planted” plumber appears to be paying dearly for his 15 minutes in the limelight. How anyone can continue to consider McCain to be an honorable man these days, is beyond me. He may have been deserving of respect once (and after reading the Rolling stone article about him, even that is debatable), but now, in his relentless pursuit of the presidency using every dirty and dishonost tactic available to him, he no longer is worthy to be called that.
Posted by: Vlindertje01 | October 17, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
so people who make more money work hard and people who make less money don’t? right. tell that to working class Americans that make less than $50K a year. The average CEO salary is 400+ to 1 these days. c’mon folks you are getting fleeced.
obama is not raising taxes on the workers.
Posted by: wow? | October 17, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
The whole thing is that Obama said he wants to take the money when you make so much and then he will give it to someone who doesn’t want to work hard for it.
————————-
That’s a crock.
What Obama is saying is that tax codes have been instituted so those who make less money pay MORE as a percentage of income than those who are relatively well off.
A nurse making $40k per year to feed her family works her butt off. Does SHE not deserve a tax break?
This attitude that she wants a handout shows a true lack of understanding and the need for over simplification on your part.
Posted by: Dave in VA | October 17, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
chuck: Thanks for pointing out what Senator Obama himself has been trying to get out: The race isn’t over until the votes are cast, so it is VITAL that all Obama supporters keep knocking on doors, making the calls, and donating what they can.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
from Mudflats:
UPDATE – CHAPTER TWO. BIZARRE COINCIDENCES
Joe’s father Robert Wurzelbacher has the same name as the son-in-law of Charles Keating.
Joe apparently used to live in North Pole, Alaska, just outside of Fairbanks. His son, seen standing next to him as he talked taxes with Barack Obama was born in North Pole. Joe made it down the stairs just in time to see his son delivered on the wood floor of their home… as reported in The Anchorage Daily News. I think I’ve had enough of Alaska in the news….can we stop now??
Posted by: Bob | October 17, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
thank god, everybody deserve their 15 min
this is joe the plumbers.
Posted by: world | October 17, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Jane
I DONT KNOW WHAT WORLD YOUR LIVING IN!!
UNDER JOHN MCCAIN PEOPLE MAKING 2.87 MILLION GET A TAX CUT OF $269.364
UNDER OBAMA THEY PAY $70118
UNDER JOHN MCCAIN PEOPLE MAKING $37,596 TO $66354 TAX CUT OF $319
UNDER OBAMA THOSE SAME PEOPLE GET $1042
WHY UNDER MCCAIN SHOULD THE RICH GET A $269.364 TAX CUT AND AVERAGE AMERICANS GET ONLY A $319.
OBAMA 08
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Jane: I rather have Obama as President than McCain as President tackling our deficit?
McCain and Palin or only good for latenight tv fidder for the Talk Shows.
Posted by: Lookup | October 17, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
AP/YAHOO POLL: OBAMA 44, MCCAIN 42
Rasmussen: Obama 50 McCain 46
Zogby: Obama 48 McCain 44
I believe this is now the 4th Poll that shows this race it within the margin of error. But you know what you should be worried about Dave? The undecided vote ranges from 5-12% depending on the poll, and if we have on average 8% undecided right now, not looking good for Obama!
Put your tape measure away, not time to measure the draps just yet!
Posted by: chuck | Oct 17, 2008 10:48:0
** Chuck you acting like McCain has a lead… VA shouldn’t even be in play and it is! That shows no one believes McLame! Plus I live in conservative VA and there are a lot of people that are mad at John McCain; so chucky if you don’t live here then don’t comment!
Posted by: What Really Bothers Liberals | October 17, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Palin seems to play the pity card when it works to her favor, then she takes the cheap shots when you aren’t looking.
Barracuda is right. Maverick no.
Posted by: Palintology | October 17, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
@ Jane
Unfortunately, the Joe the Plumber issue is feeding right into the problems that McCain has had with his campaign. He wasn’t vetted beforehand and it turned into an embarrassment for him.
They should have contacted the man before the debate, checked him out and then used him if he matched the message. You can’t try to make someone your poster boy to attack your opponent’s economic plan if it’s going to blow up in your face. It made McCain look like an idiot when Joe had to concede that actually Obama’s plan WOULD help him. The fact that he owes back taxes really doesn’t serve McCain well, either.
Joe should have simply said thanks but not thanks to interviews. Honestly, I think he saw this as his 15 minutes and decided to go for it.
Bad tactic all the way around. They pounced when they didn’t know all the facts about him. Sure, facts are spun. That’s the nature of politics and it’s done by both sides. I think we all know that and are used to it. Sometimes, it drives me crazy, but it’s just the way things are.
Posted by: This is SO Old | October 17, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
This is the new DNC, and it’s why we call them the DONC. They don’t represent us, our values, or our experiences. In fact, they represent everything we always thought we hated about Republicans. As Pumas, our eyes were opened back in February. We’ve known for a LONG time what the rest of the country is just learning — that the Democratic Party has been hijacked by a shrieking band of character assassins and thugs.
ACORN and obama thought they could get away with trashing our voters and our democratic processes in order to win. They succeeded in starting a fire, that’s for sure. But it’s not the one they meant to start.
As the evidence of massive fraud and ugly tactics mounts in every swing state in the last 3 weeks of this horrible election, the DONC will soon learn that most people hate arsonists. That instead of destroying their victims, obama and the DONC have ignited us to unite and fight. Not on their terms however, and not with their tools. We are fighting fire with water — the powerful and quiet undercurrent of decency, good will and courage which connects all average citizens and revitalizes our sense of community and shared purpose.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 17, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
McCain stated that American corporations pay 35% in taxes.
That statement is NOT TRUE! It’s just another misleading statement from the McCain campaign. (Notice they do that alot – especially in their ads.)
Whlie the tax code reflects a 35% rate, the ACTUAL amount paid by the Fortune 500 was LESS THAN 18% last year.
I pay MORE than that, and I’m only making $50k/year. I work 50-60 hours per week. Screw those who say I’m asking for a handout!
Why do McCain and the Pub supporters have a problem with corporations paying their share of the burden in America?
It’s not about “handouts”, it’s about equality. Republican economic policy has catered to the wealthy. That’s a fact. And McCain wants to do the same.
But when you have 7 houses and 13 cars, had a sliver spoon your whole life, and you’re married to an heiress, I can see where you would be out of touch with 90% of America.
Posted by: Truth Hurts the GOP | October 17, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
It is obvious the press does not allow freedom the freedom of speech we think we have, when they will only air negative stories about one candidate and positive and stories on another. Wake up America. Do your homework. Why do you think the media has jumped on Palin like they have? They know she is right for America and that scares them.
Posted by: irmermaid | October 17, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Awww, the flame thrower herself gets depressed from her media coverage. Amazing!!! Talk about dishing it but not being able to take it. How pathetic.
Posted by: mc | October 17, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
What Really Bothers Liberals: It’s OK to be optimistic, but don’t fool yourself; this election is still tight and it could still go either way. There WILL be an October surprise of some sort- a false accusation of an Obama affair with just enough meat to get air time, an Osama Bin Laden tape release endorsing Obama (similar to how he helped Bush get re-elected), a terrorist attack in a Texas mall, an unsourced FBI leak about a fraud investigation of Obama, etc. The only question is if it will be big enough to change the balance.
The election is not won, Obama supporters need to continue working hard to get the word out and answer peoples questions and concerns with the facts.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Mike of NC
Here is another Poll from today
AP/YAHOO POLL: OBAMA 44, MCCAIN 42
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Our silent revolution will be quick and devastatingly effective. It will take place on Tuesday, November 4th, 2008 beginning at 7am and ending at 9pm eastern. The only weapon we will use is a ballot, and there will be no casualties. We’re Pumas. We work quietly and without fuss or fanfare.
And once the Obama Movement’s incendiary assault on our voters has been permanently doused on that day, and he and his minions have been swept back to Chicago for good, we’ll begin the hard work of rebuilding our party and the reputation the BOIZ so recklessly tried to destroy.
It will be a long, difficult job. But there is no way in HELL that I’ll give up.
Every time I see a picture or description from DEMOCRATS of Sarah or Hillary in pornographic degradation I think of my daughters and a repulsive image of their heads photoshopped into a porn picture pops into mine. This is what will happen to them if you don’t fight, the voice in my head tells me.
And so, I’ll fight. Alongside every one of us who believes we have more in common with Joe the Plumber than Joe the Senator. More in common with the mother of a child with Down’s Syndrome than the father of the Daily Kos hate machine. And more in common with a brave, young Wellesley College graduate who dared to dream she could be president than with a cowardly, young Harvard graduate who dared to believe he might be the Messiah.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 17, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
I am a republican who being a female is disgusted with my party and Mrs. Palin. I feel she is not qualified to be any where but on SNL as her being able to run our county is hilarious. I will be voting DEMOCRATE for the first time in my voting life and I will do it with the utmost confidence that we will be much better off with someone who cares for the middle class and not the upper class who can’t even remember how many houses or cars he owns.
Have you ever took a look back to when Mr. Clinton was in office how much were we paying for health care, fuel even something as small as a loaf of bread. 8 years later BUSH has put us in the XXX,XXX,XXX,XXX in debt borrowing from CHINA. GET A CLUE AMERICA this is not going to change unless we VOTE a DEMOCRATE in office.
AND before you all start bashing OBAMA about Ayres he WAS 8 years old when this occured and then he was on Commities with him along with other REPUBLICANS so palling around in not correct. This was only used to bring hate and scare tactics to light. WEll I am more afraid of Palin possibly being president than this. I can only imagine what she would do she would talk about seeing RUSSIA from her home and that she can’t recall the last time she read something. This from someone who went to 5 colleges………….Maybe there was a reason she bought her deploma.
I know that for the last 8 years me and my husband have worked harder for less. I remember 10 years ago we could go on vacation not to many cares in world. We saved well 8 years with BUSH and guess what we have no savings, and our children will have to be the ones who will suffer for our voting mistakes NOT THIS YEAR. CHANGE WILL BE OBAMA someone who actually cares about the middle class not the upper class with HOW MANY HOMES AND CARS?
Posted by: mcar | October 17, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
“If you are better off then you were 8 years ago, then vote Republican.”
Actually, I am by about 40%. Why? I worked for it. That’s the point. The government can’t make you successful. It can hurt your business with taxes designed to redistribute wealth, but it can’t make you smarter or work harder.
Despite all the Bush administration and hedge fund tycoons could do to stop it by descending on my last employer like locusts, buying it up and sending the money to San Francisco, today I am much better off.
Why? I worked hard and when the locusts came, I moved to a company run by smart immigrants from Mumbai, not one managed by a east coast Harvard grad babying his stock options.
It’s the old story of the man who dies and the angle shows him two rooms. In each there are mountains of food but all of the people have three foot long wooden spoons instead of hands. In the first room, they are throwing food at each other. The angel says, “This is hell.” In the next room, the people are feeding each other. The angel says, “This is heaven.”
Government can’t pick your fate. It’s your choice.
Posted by: len | October 17, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
What Really Bothers Liberals:
Just keep holding those poll numbers as
your souvenir of ’08. Dream on…
Posted by: Lookup | October 17, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
Maybe she is waking up.
“Joe the Plumber”: Dad is son-in-law of Charles Keating!
Yes, that Charles Keating. The Charles Keating of the Keating 5 Scandal. For which John McCain was reprimanded by the United States Senate, for his involvement in attempting to illegally influence government regulators. The Charles Keating who John McCain has been trying to avoid have mentioned. So, he basically mentioned it 24 times.
McCain is worse than Bush ever could be.
Posted by: beck | October 17, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
What Really Bothers Liberals: It’s OK to be optimistic, but don’t fool yourself; this election is still tight and it could still go either way. There WILL be an October surprise of some sort- a false accusation of an Obama affair with just enough meat to get air time, an Osama Bin Laden tape release endorsing Obama (similar to how he helped Bush get re-elected), a terrorist attack in a Texas mall, an unsourced FBI leak about a fraud investigation of Obama, etc. The only question is if it will be big enough to change the balance.
The election is not won, Obama supporters need to continue working hard to get the word out and answer peoples questions and concerns with the facts.
Posted by: jhw539 | Oct 17, 2008 11:00:26 AM
* you’re sick but remember John McCain is the adulterer not Obama so watch your mouth!
Posted by: What Really Bothers Liberals | October 17, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Demonizing Joe The Plumber
Yesterday, left-wing bloggers, the fringe-left media, Senator Obama’s supporters, surrogates, Senator Biden and Obama himself made the decision to ignore the serious realities of Obama’s policies that will hinder the opportunity for upward mobility and instead made the decision to attack the voice of the ‘average Joe’ who dared to question the Senator, launched investigations into his personal life and launched a campaign to destroy his credibility.
Now let me first say, that if you think in any manner that Joe’s personal life, where he lived or how he is registered has any impact on the simple question that he asked Obama, then you are living in a fantasy world. Joe is no operative of the Republican party, his simple question to Obama was in no way planned and his personal life has no bearing on the reality that Senator Obama’s tax proposals are rooted in the purely socialist belief that we should ‘Spread The Wealth’. But instead of responding to Joe’s charges and questions; instead of denouncing the reality that Obama’s tax plan is an exercise in socialism, Obama’s campaign and surrogates reacted by trying to destroy Joe the plumber.
On the campaign trail, Obama referred to Joe as ‘that guy, Joe! Who makes $250,000 a year” going on to slam him, “I don’t know any plumbers who make $250,000 a year”. Joe Biden attacking by stating he doesn’t have any plumbers making $250,000 a year in his neighborhood. Apparently, Biden and Obama need to spend more time at home depot where they will run into contractors, who own small businesses that make $250,000 a year. Instead of defending their plans, instead of stating that changes may have to be made if it turns out that their plans will hurt more small businesses, they chose to distort Joe’s story and undermine his argument.
In the media the attacks from Obama surrogates were ferocious, asking what do we know about Joe The Plumber? Well he’s just wrong and doesn’t understand how Senator Obama’s plan will really help him! He doesn’t represent the vast majority of small businesses!
Online the attacks were vicious from left-wing sites such as Huffpo, Kos and others: Joe is ignorant…He just doesn’t understand how Obama’s plan really works! He’s a liar – his name’s not even Joe! This was a set-up, he’s an operative of the McCain campaign or Republican Party! He’s not even a plumber and doesn’t even make $250,000 a year! Of course then they turned their attacks on his personal life, his family, etc…
But my favorite is from the SF Chronicle, a know left-wing publication, yet a nationally printed publication:
“He is registered as a Republican, and voted in the state’s GOP primary in March”. Does this really have a bearing on anything, after all I thought Obama was the post-partisan politician.
“He has lived in McCain’s home state of Arizona – in both Mesa and Tucson.
– He lived in GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s home state of Alaska – in North Pole, from September 1992 to July 1993.” Again, anything to do with the Obama’s policies? Oh wait, he must be an operative under Todd Palin’s control because he live in Sarah Palin’s home stat 13 years before she became Governor.
“And as for that unscripted moment that ended up on Fox News, the one at a rally where he questioned Sen. Barack Obama about the American Dream – and whether he’d have to pay higher taxes under Obama’s plan?” Back to the Fox News – McCain Campaign operative conspiracy theory…You got him chronicle! Joe is an operative of the Republican Party and the conspired with Fox News to set up Senator Obama. Of course, I still can’t figure out how it is that they convinced Senator Obama to make the decision to make an self-described UNPLANNED DOOR-TO-DOOR Campaign stop in Joe’s neighborhood. I’m sure that Joe has been planning for months and waiting for the opportunity to open up his bedroom window and see Senator Obama on the street with a flock of reporters. Oh yes, by the way…a flock of reporters, of which only one had the balls to actually replay Senator Obama’s candid “Spread the Wealth” response.
” His first name isn’t really Joe. It’s Samuel” OK, so Samuel J. cannot be trusted because he uses his middle name.
“That’s after the AP, bloggers, investigators and librarians – and The Chronicle – turned up court documents and birth records…For one, Wurzelbacher’s expressed concern about paying more taxes looked a bit tarnished with the revelation that he owes Ohio about $1,200 in personal income taxes, according to the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas records. And there’s a 2007 civil filing that shows a record for a $1,200 owed to a creditor, St. Charles Mercy Hospital.” Seriously, again how does this have an impact on the question asked of Senator Obama? So he owes taxes? So he has had financial troubles and owes a hospital money? I would think that Joe would be the ideal voter for Senator Obama; A middle class American struggling to pay taxes and struggling financially because of health care costs!
So what is it about Joe’s story that should provide an important lesson?
Joe is the average citizen, the middle class American that struggle everyday with bills and works to hopefully provide a better life for his son. Yet, when he has the tenacity to actually question the proposals of a Presidential Candidate, they set out to destroy him as though he is the epitome of everything that is wrong with this nation. When Joe exercises his freedom of speech and freedom of expression, they set forth to silence his voice by avoiding the real question at hand and resorting to infringing upon his personal life. Joe’s story is a picture of what we can all expect to occur if Pelosi, Obama and Reid have total control of our government. There will be no room for dissent and no right to question our elected officials.
The reality is that Obama campaign does not want to talk about the question that Joe asked, because there is no other response that they can provide than the “Spread The Wealth” answer given by Senator Obama. The reality is that Obama does not want Americans to know that he is not interested in you achieving the American Dream, he is only interested in the idea of a society in which there is a ruling class and then a class of workers, all of whom have the same possessions and same level of wealth. There are societies that have set forth down this path before, and it hasn’t worked then and it will not work now. Obama hasn’t responded to Joe’s statement that his policies are socialist for a reason…because the reality is that they are.
Is this the society that middle class Americans want for themselves or their children? A society in which if you dare to question authority you are subject to personal destruction? A society in which the truth is suppressed and propaganda reigns supreme?
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | October 17, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
“McCain is within the margin of error”
McCain’s views are marginal and in error.
Posted by: ricky | October 17, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
updated
AP/YAHOO Poll of 873 Democrats; 650 Republicans shows OBAMA 44%, MCCAIN 42%…
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
I agree completely with Gov. Palin: everytime I watch the behavior of her and her running mate, I become depressed and fervently pray. However, I suspect my prayers are far differcnt from hers.
Posted by: chuck | October 17, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Jane
AP/YAHOO HAS NEVER BEEN A GOOD POLL
THAT SAID I THINK YOU NEED TO STOP WATCHING FOX!
THE ONLY POLLS THAT MATTER ARE THE ONES IN THE BATTLE GROUND STATES!
YOU CANT WINDOW SHOP YOUR POLLS!!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
irmermaid: “they will only air negative stories about one candidate and positive and stories on another.”
This is a lie, and the sad thing is that everyone who has a TV remembers the weeks of Rev. Wright headlining, watched the debate where Ayers was presented in the very question, has heard about Rezko for so long they can’t remember the first mention, and remembers less than two months ago when Obama’s experience was presented as comparable to Palin’s (mayor of a town of thousands versus state senator representing over a million – please).
Obama’s dirty laundry has been aired for almost two years now. You can’t complain just because there isn’t more of it or because the majority of American’s aren’t willing to buy a tinfoil hat from you.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Jane: I rather have Obama as President than McCain as President tackling our deficit?
McCain and Palin or only good for latenight tv fodder for the Talk Shows.
Posted by: Lookup | October 17, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
The AP is very liberal
Posted by: jane | October 17, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
So Palin is saying that she is not saying what she believes on the stump, only what the McCain campaign speechwriters let her say?
Posted by: ricky | October 17, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
HP,
your ACORN argument is exactly what is WRONG with this election cycle, particularly the McCain campaign.
McCain himself has worked with ACORN #1.
#2. ACORN registers voters but DOESN’T CAST VOTES, therefore, NO VOTING FRAUD!!
Unfortunately, ACORN employees do have voter registration quotas to get filled and working without supervision, some take advantage of the situation to fill out registration forms themselves raather than cavass for propspective voters.
NOW, what you either DON’T KNOW or CHOOSE TO IGNORE, is that by law, ACORN has to turn in EVERY registration it receives to PREVENT culling. Therefore, ACORN attempts to flag suspect registrations prior to submitting them which intitiates investigatory efforts to identify those responsible for fraudulent registrations.
the suspicious nature of theis whole issue is that these investigations tend to be in GOP strongholds and publicized just in time for the election to be construed as right wing propaganda!
Posted by: Bob | October 17, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
what really bothers liberals: “* you’re sick but remember John McCain is the adulterer not Obama so watch your mouth!”
After you get knocked out from behind by a brick in a couple elections, you start looking over your shoulder…
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
The polls have tightened a bit because polling has shifted from RV to LV. LV is based on models of who will actually turn out.
But a quick check of realclearpolitics shows the average is still 6.8 for Obama. Today’s Battleground poll even increased Obama’s lead to 10 (lv).
There is not a single poll with McCain in the lead.
Posted by: bubba | October 17, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Friday October 17
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Barack Obama attracting 50% of the vote while John McCain earns 46%.
I think it is closing
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Hey What Really Bothers Liberals:
Not attacking just stating facts! The mainstream media has done everything but swear in Obama. Coming out with B.S. Polls showing him with a 10-14 point lead! When true polling shows a much different story
You are right I do not live in Virginia but According to ACORN I can still vote there! So can a lot of people who dont live in Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, oh there are just to many states for me to type, but you get the picture dont you?
Don’t you worry yourself, McCain will win this election and than you can go back to your conservative friends and ask they why they voted for McCain
Posted by: chuck | October 17, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
MCCAIN SUPPORTERS
Lets talk about Senator Mccains Healthcare policy and how he admitted in the debate HE IS GOING TO TAX OUR HEALTHCARE INSURANCE! our Insurance that we get from our Employers, our Employer already takes money out of our salries for that NOW MCCAIN WANTS TO TAX IT AS IF IT WERE INCOME WHAT IS HE THINKING I THOUGHT HE SAID NO RASING TAXES IS HE SNEAKLY GONNA RAISE TAXES?
Posted by: Angie | October 17, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Bubba
With all the $$$ Obama is spending he should be way ahead. Why is that not working for him?
Posted by: Jane | October 17, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Sorry, that would be Hotline/FD with Obama at 10 today. Battleground is 4. Average of all is 6.8.
Posted by: bubba | October 17, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
The whole thing is that Obama said he wants to take the money when you make so much and then he will give it to someone who doesn’t want to work hard for it.
** Okay not sure if you work in the real world but most people know the less you make the more you work. So for these millionaires to be crying doesn’t affect me. People automatically think if people don’t make a lot of money then they don’t work… well the credit market is horrible and it was because of these incredibly rich people at the bank not caring about the economy giving out loans to folks who couldn’t afford it.. and then when the tables turned, it was the American people who had to BAIL them out.. so some dumb people in here thinks it okay to hand over the nation to the ‘deregulator?’ what sense does that make? People talking about Government this government that, we need some government to take responsibility. We pay them every year to do work for us, not just the 5% of the nation. So John McLame can take that tax code and shove it up his ‘you know what.’ If he wants to win, he needs a new tax code its as simple as that because if we keep it the same then people won’t vote for him because 80% of Americans think the country is going in the wrong direction. DUH!! McLame come up w/ something new!
Posted by: What Really Bothers Liberals | October 17, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
why sarah you are afraid joe is getting more press than you God knows he has had more interviews with the press than palin maybe joe should be the VP
Posted by: merle7 | October 17, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Bubba
With all the $$$ Obama is spending he should be way ahead. Why is that not working for him?
_________________________________
When you couple RNC spending with McCain’s, they are not that far from Obama. They just have constraints on how to help each other.
But being up in the polls is up in the polls. Its better than being down in the polls.
And really this is shifting to a state by state race. All of the fighting is in the red states and Obama is currently up 8 in VA (rcp average). If he holds it he wins.
Posted by: bubba | October 17, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
FOX NEWS HAD SOME REPUBLICAN LADY ON TODAY TALKING ABOUT ACORN SAYING THAT:
“THESE PEOPLE GREW UP IN THE 60′S AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT THAT THINK EVERY VOTE SHOULD BE COUNTED” ( I KID YOU NOT THATS WHAT SHE SAID!) CNTD SHE THEN SAID “WELL THATS NOT HOW AMERICA WORKS WE HAVE RULES AND PROCESSES I MEAN THESE GUYS ARE NOW BEING INVESTERGATED BY THE FBI” LOL
IF ANY REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT WAS WATCHING AND KNOWS HER NAME OR WHERE I CAN GET THE TRANSCRIPT PLEASE LET ME NOW..
I THINK HER NAME WAS KITTI ???
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
When will the American people get to see Governor Palin on Meet the Press, Face the Nation, Jim Leher, or some other news source?
she only goes to FOX and they refuse to ask her a question involving thought.
Posted by: votor | October 17, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Bubba
With all the $$$ Obama is spending he should be way ahead. Why is that not working for him?
Posted by: Jane | Oct 17, 2008 11:09:50 AM
** Jane he is ahead where it matters most. Republican states like VA, NC, GA, MO, CO … why isn’t McCain leading these states? In fact how many states is John McCain leading in? Not many… not too many foolish folks that will vote for Bush 44
Posted by: What Really Bothers Liberals | October 17, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
irmermaid, Ms. Palin is so unqualified she has taken fewer questions from the press than Joe the Plumber. That should bother you. Did you even notice in the last debate that Obama didn’t even try to criticize her when asked by the moderator about VP picks? The reason is that McCain’s VP pick is more helpful to Obama. She is photogenic, personable, and tough, but she is not qualified to be the Vice President of the United States of America. Conservative after conservative continue to jump from the GOP because of this careless pick by McCain. Google Christopher Buckley, Christopher Hitchens, Matthew Dowd, Kathleen Parker, and Andrew Sullivan. Read what these conservatives have to say about Ms. Palin.
I have no problem with a female VP and I do think she is steely tough, but she isn’t qualified.
Posted by: qualifications needed | October 17, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Why not include the following as well?
Maverick
Joe Six Pack
You betcha!
Don’t ya know!
Daggone it.
Pallin
Posted by: TexGal51 | October 17, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
FROM US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT
A while back I chatted with a University of Chicago professor who was a frequent lunch companion of Obama’s. This professor said that Obama was as close to a full-out Marxist as anyone who has ever run for president of the United States. Now, I tend to quickly dismiss that kind of talk as way over the top. My working assumption is that Obama is firmly within the mainstream of Democratic politics. But if he is as free with that sort of redistributive philosophy in private as he was on the campaign trail this week, I have no doubt that U of C professor really does figure him as a radical. And after last night’s debate, a few more Americans might think that way, too. McCain’s best line: “Now, of all times in America, we need to cut people’s taxes. We need to encourage business, create jobs, not spread the wealth around.”
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | October 17, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
HP,
The PUMA stuff has faded. The “millions strong” have realized that there are more important things in this world. People have real problems to address. And your petty grudges don’t mean anything right now. If you want a new party, fine. Start one.
ACORN has been targeted by Republicans in several elections now. And not so coincidentally (just as you noted), it’s ALWAYS just 3 to 4 weeks before voting. What better way to create chaos for election boards who are then forced to disqualify legitimate voters. Perfect example is what we are witnesseing in Ohio right now!
Never has there been a single case of a vote being cast using an invalid registration from ACORN. NOT ONE!
When you can show me even ONE case of an individal VOTING with an invalid registration, get back to me.
On the other hand, I can point out several cases of voter suppression that have occured in FL and OH.
Places where 100% legitimate votes were ignored or considered invalid because of GOP lawyers. The whole ACORN crap is another attempt to block Americans from having the right to cast a vote.
The Pubs know that lower income folks, the same folks who have been screwed by the GOP, are not voting for them and they are using sleazy tactics to take away their rights!
Posted by: Same whining, different day | October 17, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
People do not waste your time reading,
watching or believing any of the so called news from ABC,NBC,CBS,or CNN,we all know that are D.L.S.C. party members and they are for Obama. They will say and do anything to get Obama elected. They will attack anyone who dares ask a question of their Great Leader B.H.O. Leave these sites to
D.L.S.C. Party Members.
Posted by: ROG | October 17, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
A real person. Not a media propped up empty suit.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
I’m glad the polls are closing because it energizes us even more to get out the vote for “Barack Steve Obama”
Posted by: community organizer | October 17, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
This is the new DNC, and it’s why we call them the DONC.
Posted by: HP Boston | Oct 17, 2008 10:57:33 AM
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Actually it’s not that new. The Democrat party of Harry Truman and JFK is long gone yet many, many Democrats still have some romantic notion of their party still being the party of the people.
In 1962 when reporters asked Ronald Reagan why he left the Democrat party he said, “I didn’t leave the party, the left me.” In other words, he hadn’t changed his principles, the party had already begun it’s departure from the center.
Now it’s so far to the left they can’t see the center. It’s pretty sad when a conservative like me is wishing Hillary was on the ticket. I believe over time she would govern from the center like Bill did. Obama is poised to do some irreparable harm to our nation and is predisposed to do exactly that.
Posted by: Woody | October 17, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
McCain’s best line: “Now, of all times in America, we need to cut people’s taxes. We need to encourage business, create jobs, not spread the wealth around.”
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | Oct 17, 2008 11:16:21 AM
** right but he NEVER TELLS US HOW! It’s okay to say you’re going to do something but when Barack talked about creating 5 million green jobs, investing in American and finding a responsible way to drill, these are the things that Americans are waiting to hear from McCain! He won’t say it because he doesn’t have a plan; All he does is point the finger to everyone who doesn’t agree with him instead of thinking about why in the world his campaign hasn’t started talking about real issues. He says he can do everything BUT HE NEVER SAYS HOW!
Posted by: What Really Bothers Liberals | October 17, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Mack, a real person is swell. but we’d like a real person who is qualified. did you read the content of this post, it sounds very much like empty suit stuff, speechwriters, shielded from the news… are you channeling substance here?
Posted by: Say What? | October 17, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
–Lookup
The media, I think, only focused on Rev. Wright because it wasn’t a republican against Obama then, but Hillary; the media was conflicted so they let the controversy brew. But with McCain on the other side, the media downplays Ayers, Wright, Acorn, Rezko, etc.
Posted by: Collin | October 17, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
The trouble with conservatives is they think the world is so simple and can’t understand why people can’t be more like them. They all worked hard for their money and became successful as if those who are not successful are somehow lazy. Many of these same successful people are the same ones responible for the atmosphere of greed that is the cause for the problems that exist today. I don’t have a problem with folks being successful and making and spending as much as I like. I do have a problem with those whose attitude is “I got mine, the hell with everybody else”…Simply put….those make more in this world have a moral responsiblilty to give back more…So, I have no problem that those over $250K pay more in taxes to get this going again….And by the way…I make $150K and have 75% equity in my house….I do not expect anything from the government ……But I have three children in college who I wonder daily whether they have the opportunity to be even half as successful as I….I also wonder about those who are not as successful, children of policeman, teachers, etc…and how they will fare in the future….It is about fairness to me…So, those of you are successful…congratulations, but don’t cry to me about your taxes being raised…
Posted by: indy_voter | October 17, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
People do not waste your time reading,
watching or believing any of the so called news from ABC,NBC,CBS,or CNN,we all know that are D.L.S.C. party members and they are for Obama. They will say and do anything to get Obama elected. They will attack anyone who dares ask a question of their Great Leader B.H.O. Leave these sites to
D.L.S.C. Party Members.
Posted by: ROG | Oct 17, 2008 11:18:12 AM
** you forgot FOX NEWS.. they are the worst station out there!
Posted by: What Really Bothers Liberals | October 17, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
I learned from the debate that McCain wants to use a hatchet and a scalpel. I think this explains the logic of the Sarah Palin pick. Not a lot of thought goes into the long term effects of words and actions. If McCain didn’t want the Dems to run against George Bush, then he should not have endorsed George Bush in 2000 and 2004. Oh, and he also voted with Bush 90% of the time.
Posted by: forward thinking | October 17, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Blame the speechwriters – doesn’t she have a mind of her own. After all she attended college for 6 years for journalism.
She has not done that much for Alaska, nor will she do anything for the whole nation.
She’s really a blond who dyed her hair!!
Posted by: km | October 17, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Also during that speech, “Palin also made a point of mentioning that she loved to visit the “pro-America” areas of the country, of which North Carolina is one. No word on which states she views as unpatriotic.”
Posted by: cincyr | October 17, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Mack
PEOPLE WHO WHINE ABOUT ACORN ARE NUTS!
DID YOU KNOW UP UNTILL LAST WEEK THE RNC WEBSITE HAD A LINK TO ACORN ??
DID YOU KNOW ACORN REGISTERED 40% REPUBLICAN ? THE RNC DID IT PUT THE INFORMATION ON ITS WEBSITE UNTILL LAST WEEK!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Smoke and mirrors. The Greatest Show on Earth:
Plouffe was repeating one of the boldest claims made by the Obama campaign. It’s a claim that the Wall Street Journal editorial board dubbed “Obama’s 95% Illusion,” noting that more than a third of Americans don’t pay any income taxes, and that what Obama’s plan does do is offer a raft of subsidies and government payments to individuals and families that he redefines as “tax cuts.” His proposal looks more like a redistribution scheme than an honest effort to reduce taxes — as he revealed on Monday when he told a now famous Ohio plumber that his plan aimed to “spread the wealth around.”
So when Plouffe reiterated the 95 percent claim, I asked him a simple question aimed at clarifying whether Obama’s tax plan was about cutting rates, or merely handing out government checks. “What rates would actually go down”? I asked.
“Middle class people are going to see, systemically, their taxes reduced, and small businesses,” Plouffe responded.
“But what rate would go down for lower-income Americans?” I persisted, seeking more information.
“We’ll have to get you the exact details on that,” Obama’s campaign manager told me.
I followed up, recapping the claim he had just made moments ago: “Well, you said that there’s going to be a tax cut on 95 percent, so what rate would go down?”
He replied, “I’ll have to get you the exact rate differential.”
Given that he wasn’t clear on the actual rate changes involved, I asked, “but which type of tax would go down?”
He insisted that under Obama’s plan, income taxes would be lower, as well as capital gains taxes on start up businesses and small entrepreneurs (though the capital gains tax would otherwise increase).
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
CAPTION: “I am not President Bush, if you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run 4 years ago”
That simple and direct line completely debunked the Democrats’ entire campaign strategy, and I can assure you it will stay in the minds of most Americans, specially when they hear Obama making said case against McCain. Of course, John McCain could have also continued on this line of attack and point out the fact that the reason Obama only attacks him by using the “Bush’s Third Time” bid is because he is a sniveling COWARD.
Obama knows that he can only run effectively against a man who is not there to defend himself. Think about this for a moment. His entire strategy is aimed at campaigning against a person who is not present! They know that John McCain, on his part, is not going to spend much time defending Bush because he has NEVER LIKED HIM!
Unlike Obama, McCain HAS ACTUALLY RAN against President Bush in a major election.
If you really want to see the relationship among Bush and McCain, all you have to do is watch the debates and policy conflicts among these two men to realize that they are quite different.
So when it all goes down, and you wish to really grasp Obama’s sleaziness, simply consider the fact that he continuously attacks a man who is not there to respond. Consider the fact that he has consistently failed to give any reason why McCain should not be Commander in Chief and hasn’t even given a reason why HE should be one either.
Posted by: Hero | October 17, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
Hero,
Go figure? McCain endorsed George Bush in 2000 and 2004. He has voted with him 90% of the time.
If he didn’t want Obama to run against George Bush, then he shouldn’t have supported him blindly and with enthusiasm just to win his party’s nomination.
Posted by: huh? | October 17, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Unlike Obama, McCain HAS ACTUALLY RAN against President Bush in a major election
** Also remember the Republican party THOUGHT PRESIDENT BUSH WAS BETTER THAN JOHN MCLAME.. SHOULDN’T WE TRUST THEIR JUDGMENT?
Posted by: What Really Bothers Liberals | October 17, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
“ABC,NBC,CBS,or CNN,we all know that are D.L.S.C. party members and they are for Obama.”
——————
But FOX, that is OWNED by a Republican insider, is certainly a bastion for journalistic integrity.
Sure, Hannity, O’Riely, Colmes, Rove…these are “fair and balanced” journalists right?
Pubs think FOX is “fair”, but every other media outlet in the eintore nation is obviously “biased” and “in the tank” for Obama.
Never occurs to them that the ONE media source they watch is the one that is truly biased.
Too funny.
Posted by: Get Real | October 17, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
“PEOPLE WHO WHINE ABOUT ACORN ARE NUTS!
DID YOU KNOW UP UNTILL LAST WEEK THE RNC WEBSITE HAD A LINK TO ACORN ??
DID YOU KNOW ACORN REGISTERED 40% REPUBLICAN ? THE RNC DID IT PUT THE INFORMATION ON ITS WEBSITE UNTILL LAST WEEK! ”
Lets see; who gave them over 800k, who represented them as an attorney, who was their star trainer that taught new recruits some of the sleazy tactics that they now employ?
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
SURPRISE: WASHINGTON POST endorses Obama for president!
NEW YORK TIMES to endorse Obama in Sunday editions…
and who knows…CNN…NBC to follow ?
MSMs are going to be F…U… when the Empty suit will fall down from his media pedestal…
Posted by: Hero | October 17, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Being a prisoner of war doesn’t qualify John McCain to be my President.
Being an executive from Alaska and abusing your power doesn’t qualify Sarah Palin to be my President.
The Republican party won’t call me out for not being patriotic.. McCain sold his soul to become the Republican nominee… but it doesn’t qualify him to become my President.
Posted by: What Really Bothers Liberals | October 17, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Perhaps Palin should have her mouth taped shut. That way she wouldn’t have to speak at all.
Posted by: Josephine | October 17, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
“Barack talked about creating 5 million green jobs”
Obama never created a job in his life. Governments don’t create jobs, Joe the plumber creates jobs.
Barack talked about -that’s all he ever does. talk
Posted by: geevill | October 17, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
“Being a prisoner of war doesn’t qualify John McCain to be my President.”
And community organizing(ACORN) experience does?
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
“I’m glad the polls are closing because it energizes us even more to get out the vote for “Barack Steve Obama”"
from Mack
‘Do you work for ACORN? How many bums did you bribe with cigarettes today?’
actually mack, i’m an engineer whose company will advantage from Obamas proposals so keep talking down to us.
Posted by: community organizer | October 17, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
“”Barack talked about creating 5 million green jobs”
Obama never created a job in his life. Governments don’t create jobs, Joe the plumber creates jobs.
Barack talked about -that’s all he ever does. talk ”
Those imaginary green collar jobs again.
The Greatest Show on Earth. There’s a $ucker born every minute.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Sarah Palin is EXACTLY who we need as our Vice President. She is tough and down to earth.
Way to go Sarah!!!!!
McCain-Palin ’08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Kray | October 17, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Tough and down to earth, yes. qualified, no.
Posted by: hmm | October 17, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
What Really Bothers Liberals
I’ll give you an example of what doesn’t work, the govt. interfering with energy. Here in Pa, Rendell is spending a ton of our money investing in ethanol, it is not working. No one in Pa. is using more ethanol. The price of corn has gone up leading to higher food prices because the farmers who used to grow other things are now diverting all of their crops to corn because the govt. is inflating the price. This creates other food shortages leading to higher prices in everything. So now we are spending money on an alternative energy that is not likely to work. We also have wind energy that is mostly driven by the private sector, it is booming. We have windmills going up everywhere, they are employing more people all of the time.
We also have a huge reserve of natural gas not being subsidized. This is also booming, it is estimated that it will pump billions of dollars into our economy. So we have wind and natural gas that is booming or ethanol which is failing and not likely to produce one drop of feasible alternative fuel for decades to come.
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | October 17, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
JANE, MCCAIN SUPPORTERS, ANYONE OUT THERE
I AM BEGGING TO DISCUSS MCCAIN AND HIM TAXING!!!! US ON OUR HEALTHCARE LIKE IT IS INCOME FROM OUR EMPLOYERS PLEASE FOLKS DISCUSS
Posted by: ANGIE | October 17, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Truth Hurts the GOP – if you only make 50k, are single and do not itemize the most tax you pay, which is the highest at “single” is 6743 which is less than 18&%. Corporations pay 15% on profits of less than 50K and it goes up from there to as high as 38%. Profits of $100000 – $350000 where Joe the Plumber falls into are 35% this is where Obama wants to raise it from. The IRS lists this information on their website under 1040 and 1120 forms for all to see.
Posted by: Eyes Wide Open | October 17, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Wow she is openly stabbing McCain in the back to further her own political career.
That was the pattern her career has taken but to begin to do so on the national stage is a bit disconcerting.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Mr. Jake Tapper,
Where is your blog post on the report the Secret Service indicated as unfounded allegations at McCain/Palin rally? Is the MSM going to retract on this? Will Congressman Lewis post an apology nationwide for his ridiculous attacks or the MSM is now more interested in destroying Joe the Plumber, an ordinary guy with tax concerns?
Posted by: zeferimus | October 17, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
MCCAINS HEALTHCARE POLICY MCCAINS HEALTHCARE POLICY MCCAINS HEALTHCARE POLICY I WANT TO KNOW WHY AM I GONNA BE TAXED WHEN MY EMPLOYER ALREADY TAKES MONEY OUT OF MY SALARY FOR MY BENIFITS?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Posted by: Angie | October 17, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
HERO
Isn’t it odd that when McCain ran against Bush he proposed tax policies that were very similar to Obama’s?
Now, with his newly found conservatism, he has become just like Bush.
He’s flopped on the majority of issues he claims to have “stood up to his party”. But let’s just let the self proclaimed maverick sum it up for us ok?
ORIGINAL STANCE ON BUSH TAX CUTS:
“I cannot, in good conscience, support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief.”
AND IN HIS OWN WORDS:
TIM RUSSERT: The fact is you are different than George Bush.
SEN. McCAIN: No. No. The fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I’ve been totally in agreement and support of President Bush.
You ARE correct about one thiong though. That DOES resonate!
Posted by: Nice Try | October 17, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
“Can’t EVEN write her OWN speeches-yea, that’s who we need to run the country.
Go home, Bimbo.”
I sense some jealousy.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
MORE ACORN FRAUD: New Mexico
Can anyone be surprised at this news anymore?
Public records released in New Mexico today confirm that fraudulent voter registrations are in fact turning into fraudulent votes.
ACORN, currently under investigation by the FBI, is now confirmed to be responsible for producing fraudulent voter registrations and illegal votes in New Mexico. An inspection of public records has revealed that illegal votes were cast in New Mexico’s 2008 primary election.
“This is a bombshell. We now have undeniable proof that a significant number of fraudulent voters were cast in Democrat primary races for the New Mexico state legislature as a result of ACORN’s voter registration fraud,” remarked State Representative Justine Fox Young (R-Albuquerque).
“No longer can ACORN argue that their phony voter registration forms don’t translate into fraudulent votes. They do and today we can prove it.”
“It is safe to say that the number of illegal votes being cast dwarfs the 366 votes that decided the 2000 Presidential election in New Mexico,” said Nina Martinez, Secretary for the Republican Party of New Mexico.
Posted by: Hero | October 17, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Consider the fact that he has consistently failed to give any reason why McCain should not be Commander in Chief and hasn’t even given a reason why HE should be one either.
Posted by: Hero | Oct 17, 2008 11:29:50 AM
* I got some reasons why McCain shouldn’t be President
#1-He’s a 72 old man stuck in the past
#2-He picked an idiot for a running mate
#3-Everyone is afraid he will die in office and Sarah Palin would take over the nation
#4-He never talks about the middle class
#5-He’s spent 2/3 of his campaign ads attacking his opposition instead of telling us why we should vote for him
#6-He’s an angry grumpy old man
#7-He’s a really angry grumpy old man
#8-He’s an adulterer who ditched his first wife because she didnt meet his standards
#9-His running mate abuses power and lets TODD PALIN make her decisions
#10-His wife is a former druggie, who stole medicine from the sick even though she’s a millionaire herself
#11-He still hasn’t said anything about college education (attention young people)
#12-He wants to keep the BUSH TAX CUTS.. but he’s not like Bush~ Just 90% of the time
#13-He admitted he knew nothing about economics
#14-He’s a really really angry grumpy old man
#15-He’s a bit of a crybaby
All of these are valid reasons not to vote for McCain!
Posted by: VA is BLUE!!! | October 17, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
“LETS TALK ABOUT MCCAIN TAXING OUR HEALTH INSURANCE ”
Lets talk about how either program will be funded. I guess we can always print more money.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
Hero, what’s your source?
Posted by: question | October 17, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
You forgot about the part of her speech where she said she enjoys being in the “Pro-America” states. Ask her which are the other states that aren’t ‘Pro-America’. And ask her whether the Alaska Independence Party is Pro-America.
Posted by: mos | October 17, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
I don’t know how it can be said she is tough,
we have the headline on this article of
her Begging the speechwriters not to make her do something.
that does not sound to tough to me.
she just showed us what we have been thinking all along.
she is a parrot. not a marvrick, not a pitbull, just a mouth in a skirt.
and it is a slap in the face to women,
for john mccain to think he could put
her up there and think sen. clinton’ supporters would be so dumb, as to say oh another woman, let me close my ears and mind and go for her.
not.
god bless john mccain
god bless sarah palin
and god bless our next president
barack obama and vp joe biden.
Posted by: world | October 17, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
MCCAINS HEALTHCARE POLICY MCCAINS HEALTHCARE POLICY MCCAINS HEALTHCARE POLICY I WANT TO KNOW WHY AM I GONNA BE TAXED WHEN MY EMPLOYER ALREADY TAKES MONEY OUT OF MY SALARY FOR MY BENIFITS?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Posted by: Angie | Oct 17, 2008 11:44:31 AM
** what they also don’t understand Angie is they would be in another tax bracket which would make them PAY MORE IN TAXES… it’s sad how many know so little isn’t it?
Posted by: VA is BLUE!!! | October 17, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
It amazes me how all the republicans are hating news now and every news bureau is for OBAMA, and how Obama is going to destroy America. Are you knuckleheads kidding me? The country is already screwed up…if I recall we weren’t in a deficit before the repubs took over, banks were fine, credit was as usual and we hadn’t depleted our military to a point that every country wants to call us out!!! But again its the Dems fault…didn’t the repubs control congress. I didn’t hear any of you repubs complaining about being a celebrity when Ronnie Baby was Pres or when you dum dums voted/stole the election for “W”. Now you guys want a old old man and a dumber than “W” to be Pres and VP…you repubs are hilarious!
Posted by: Markel L. | October 17, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
“Public records released in New Mexico today confirm that fraudulent voter registrations are in fact turning into fraudulent votes. ”
Lets highlight this paragraph for all of the bots, since their ACORN talking point is that there is nothing wrong with registration fraud, because it doesn’t result in real votes.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Mack: “Lets talk about how either program will be funded.”
How is it funded now? The lack of dead bodies in the street clearly shows we already have some level of universal healthcare – extraordinarily expensive, emergency room visits rather than antibiotics, but universal healthcare nonetheless.
No one is left to die on an American street because they can’t afford treatment. How are we paying for that now? Do you think it’s free? Is it really an efficient way to deploy universal healthcare?
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
“”Barack talked about creating 5 million green jobs”
Obama never created a job in his life. Governments don’t create jobs, Joe the plumber creates jobs.
Barack talked about -that’s all he ever does. talk ”
Those imaginary green collar jobs again.
The Greatest Show on Earth. There’s a $ucker born every minute.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 17, 2008 11:38:33 AM
** How funny… neither has McLame!
Posted by: VA is BLUE!!! | October 17, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Public records released in New Mexico today confirm that fraudulent voter registrations are in fact turning into fraudulent votes. ”
Lets highlight this paragraph for all of the bots, since their ACORN talking point is that there is nothing wrong with registration fraud, because it doesn’t result in real votes.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 17, 2008 11:50:14 AM
** THe person above is an example of those cry babies I was talking about… what about FLORIDA in 2004?? HUH?? Republicans steal elections all the time..
Posted by: VA is BLUE!!! | October 17, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
my question is if MCCAIN SAID LETS NOT RAISE TAXES WHY DID HE ADMIT TO TAXING HEALTHCARE SO IF THIS IS THE CASE HES RASING TAXES AND LOOKS LIKE UNDER MCCAINS HEALTHCARE POLICY MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WILL BE UNINSURED?
Posted by: Angie | October 17, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
Concerned in OH: “Our Democracy is less important then you getting to go to the movies this weekend.”
What, specifically, do you want done? Quit wasting time on ACORN registrations (which are not votes and never will be unless Mickey Mouse has ID and shows up to vote) and focus on policing caregivers?
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
Angie
me to why does Mccain want to tax my healthcare ??
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Conservatives act like they created America lol Conservatives have been what has held America back from more prosperity… They love to attack people and then hide their skeletons in the closet… its called being hypocritical~
Posted by: VA is BLUE!!! | October 17, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
now sarah palin can start talking about how she is a POW
Prisoner of Writers
so, did the speech writers tell her, wel will give you the substance of what to say, and when you start to forget,
just add a “gosh darnit’ and a golly and geewhiz here and there until you can remember what we told you to say.
Posted by: world | October 17, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Palin says she doesn’t want to mention Joe the Plumber. She REALLY doesn’t want to mention GEORGE THE PRESIDENT.
Posted by: ricky | October 17, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
”
Public records released in New Mexico today confirm that fraudulent voter registrations are in fact turning into fraudulent votes. ”
Lets highlight this paragraph for all of the bots, since their ACORN talking point is that there is nothing wrong with registration fraud, because it doesn’t result in real votes.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 17, 2008 11:50:14 AM
** THe person above is an example of those cry babies I was talking about… what about FLORIDA in 2004?? HUH?? Republicans steal elections all the time..”
I’m not okay with anyone cheating. I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life, although I will vote for one in this election.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
joe the plumber isnt going to create anything
Posted by: Bhrandon | October 17, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
The truth is that more and more companies are dropping health insurance not increasing it. You are not going to be able to rely on your employer to give you coverage in the future. It is cheaper for them at this point just to give you a raise so you can buy your own health insurance and that is the way it should be. Maybe you should look into the price of how much it actually costs to have an employee in this day and age and you wouldn’t have to wonder why they are going overseas and it also wouldn’t take a degree in rocket science to figure out that you don’t force them to give you more and raise their taxes at the same time.
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | October 17, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
“Conservatives act like they created America lol Conservatives have been what has held America back from more prosperity… ”
Yes there is money to be made for the savy marxist.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
What really bugs McCainiacs is not that the real Joe the Plumber is not a plumber and will get a tax cut under Obama. What really bugs them is that Joe the Plumber is being dragged down by attention to George the Prfesident.
Posted by: ricky | October 17, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
joe the plumber isnt going to create anything
Posted by: Bhrandon | Oct 17, 2008 11:56:12 AM
*heard he doesn’t even have a plumbers certificate…isn’t that ironic?
Posted by: VA is BLUE!!! | October 17, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
“The truth is that more and more companies are dropping health insurance not increasing it. You are not going to be able to rely on your employer to give you coverage in the future. It is cheaper for them at this point just to give you a raise so you can buy your own health insurance and that is the way it should be. Maybe you should look into the price of how much it actually costs to have an employee in this day and age and you wouldn’t have to wonder why they are going overseas and it also wouldn’t take a degree in rocket science to figure out that you don’t force them to give you more and raise their taxes at the same time.”
But the evil job creating rich must pay!
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Eyes Wide Open
You are stating tax RATES again, not ACTUAL TAXES PAID. The wealthy actually pay less as a percentage of their income than do middle class Americans. This is a proven statistic.
NOT one Fortune 500 paid 35% in taxes. Not a single one. Thus your tax rate schedule means absolutly nothing with regards to actual taxes paid.
That’s the point. That’s what you and McCain have yet to acknowledge. The tax code has been written so that the wealthy do not pay.
Posted by: Let's try this again | October 17, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
“I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life”
Mack uncoils his whopper of the day.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Anyone that is still considering voting for McCain should Google the following:
McCain/Charles Keating
McCain/Rick Davis/Lobbying
McCain/Rev. John Hagee
McCain/ US Council for World Freedom
McCain/Rev. Rick Parsley
McCain/Iran-Contra
McCain/Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae
McCain/Tom Loeffler/Saudi Royal Family
McCain/Wm. Timmons/Saddam Hussein
McCain/GI Bill vote
McCain/Disabled American Vets/rating
McCain/G. Gordon Liddy
McCain/Iraq & Afghanistan Vets of America/rating
McCain/Oliver North
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 17, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Still waiting for a source on this ACORN bombshell Hero and Concerned in OH…
Posted by: question | October 17, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
“”“This is a bombshell. We now have undeniable proof that a significant number of fraudulent voters were cast in Democrat primary races for the New Mexico state legislature as a result of ACORN’s voter registration fraud,” remarked State Representative Justine Fox Young (R-Albuquerque).”
We need to keep hitting them over the head with it, because they’re a little dense.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
The truth is that more and more companies are dropping health insurance not increasing it. You are not going to be able to rely on your employer to give you coverage in the future. It is cheaper for them at this point just to give you a raise so you can buy your own health insurance and that is the way it should be. Maybe you should look into the price of how much it actually costs to have an employee in this day and age and you wouldn’t have to wonder why they are going overseas and it also wouldn’t take a degree in rocket science to figure out that you don’t force them to give you more and raise their taxes at the same time.
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | Oct 17, 2008 11:56:45 AM
** and whats $5000 going to do when the average plan cost $12000… will one of you McLame supporters answer that question?
Posted by: VA is BLUE!!! | October 17, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Mack: “We need to keep hitting them over the head with it, because they’re a little dense.”
No, most people don’t take out of context posts from Republicans spewed across ranting blogs as fact anymore.
They have been proven to lie often (Obama went to a madrassa! He wasn’t born in Hawaii! He’s an anti-white Christian who is also a Muslim sleeper agent!!!).
When actual information is included, such as how many fraudulent votes were found cast in REPUBLICAN primaries, how the votes were identified, the relative number of votes, etc. an intelligent assessment can be made. Of course, information doesn’t matter to the Republican Party Of Ignorance.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Re: ACORN
I am old enough to remember only two electrions you could pretty well documnet were stolen. LBJ’s primary election to the US Senate in 1948 and George Bush’s election as President in 2000. ACORN wasn’t involved in either.
Posted by: ricky | October 17, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
What acorn bombshell.
Posted by: Just Wondering | October 17, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
McCain’s all talk without discussing plans or ideas.. For me, it’s all about helping man kind, now, and not being selfish or greedy.. I rather help as many as I can while living then wait until i’m dead.. Not all people are lazy, uncaring or hateful and maybe nothing will solve all the perils of this Nation and World in any one’s lifetime.. However, I rather make contributions to help as many as I can.. Their will always be good and bad in each race, this may never change, yet I fell the good will always out number all others and they’ll help change the direction of this Nation and World..
Posted by: dvine | October 17, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
“The Republican Party of New Mexico alleges 28 people voted fraudulently in one Albuquerque state House district in the June Democratic primary.”
This is the big conspiracy Concerned in Oh is talking about?!?!
ROFLMAO!
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
“”I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life”
Mack uncoils his whopper of the day. ”
It may be hard for you to believe, but it’s the truth. And if Hillary was the nominee, then I wouldn’t have to.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Joe the Plumber did better in his media interviews than Palin. Is she jealous that he can speak (more or less) in complete sentences?
Posted by: Lori | October 17, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Mack, Just googled the woman with the ‘bombshell’ quote, looks like she’s talking about the registration stuff, not actual voters. I’m happy to read the story myself if someone wants to provide a source.
Hero, Concerned in OH?
Right wing blog maybe?
Posted by: question | October 17, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
A NEW POLL FROM Associated Press/ YAHOO HAS JUST COME OUT TODAY = OBAMA 44 MCCAIN 42
AP/YAHOO Poll of 873 Democrats; 650 Republicans shows OBAMA 44%, MCCAIN 42%…
also CNN.
The latest CNN Poll of Polls shows Obama’s lead over McCain dropping by 2 points.
(CNN) — A new average of the most recent national polls suggests Sen. Barack Obama holds a 6-point lead over Sen. John McCain.
The CNN Poll of Polls, compiled Friday morning, indicates that 49 percent of Americans say Obama, D-Illinois, is their choice for president, with 43 percent backing McCain, R-Arizona. Eight percent of those questioned are undecided.
The previous edition, compiled Thursday, indicated Obama had an 8-point lead over McCain, 50-42 percent.
Posted by: Hero | October 17, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Sarah Palin is despicable!!!! She lies all the time. This lady has been found to abused her power as Governor of Alaska just last week. This week two ;aw suits against her have been brought. Multiple ethics complaints now lodged against her. This lady and her husband have pursued a vendetta to have a trooper her brother in-law fired since 2005. Top litigation attorneys say law suits likely quite high. Laws broken and/or attempted to break laws. The Ethics Baord now investigating more is appointed by Sarah Palin herself. Now the wait to see what findings are.
This lady is quite dangerous and dishonest!!! McCain is same!!! I am registered Republican, but have had it. Assassination enticement has been last straw. Get this – FBI isn’t doing anything. They are blocking all the news medias from interviewing audiences. Talk about Republican controlled suppression of news and our freedom to know truth. Bush is supporting FBI not to let public know how dangerous Palin-McCain have become. More shouts of “kill him” occurred again this week!! FBI keeps saying found nothing. News media is upset!! I am scared something dangerous and horrible is going to occur!!
Posted by: Sharonklim | October 17, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
Concerned in OH: “Say hello to:
“The annual premium for single coverage averaged over $4,400.”
source: National Coalition on Health Care”
Many people have families who need coverage too. And the average is heavily depressed by the fact that all the 18-25 year olds are cheap as dirt to insure.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
“”** and whats $5000 going to do when the average plan cost $12000… will one of you McLame supporters answer that question? ”
Say hello to:
“The annual premium for single coverage averaged over $4,400.”
source: National Coalition on Health Care’
OOOPPPS! Another liberal lie debunked.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
YOU LEFT OUR THE PART OF SARAH PALINS SCRIPTED SPEECH WHICH PROBABLY SAYS THE MOST ABOUT THE TYPE OF PERSON SHE IS:
The view isn’t all glum from the trail. “We even saw today, thank the Lord, we saw some movement,” looking upwards and making a fist. Another bright note for her, she said later, was visiting “PRO-AMERICA” areas of the country.
Posted by: Truth Matters | October 17, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Jake,
an Oh that Joe moment. lies to Ellen about supporting gay marriage. or did he lie to us during the debate?
Clinton got ACORNed during the primaries.ACORN endorsed Obama and got $800,000 from him to commit voter fraud.
Posted by: geevill | October 17, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Concerned in Ohio: “I like how flexible Liberals principles are when it comes to vote fraud.”
I like how you are providing no evidence or proof beyond snips from unsubstantiated right wing blogs.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Oh, Jane………
I thought the whole purpose of was to make money for promoting for your campaign. thats why there are all those fancy dinners for thousands of $. Might I add that I can not afford these dinners.
Just because Obama sought a new avenue to raise money and came out ahead of the amount Mc Cain has does not make him the lessor of the two. This just proves that Obama is living in the current.
On Palin asking them not to make her say “Joe the plumber” please…. is laughable and is more the scream of a pig than the bark of a pitbull. At this point they should be telling her exactly what to say as her own words are childish at best.
Posted by: chez532531 | October 17, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Hero,
Keep up with the misinformation this a.m.
Look at “Karl Rove” and “Dick Morris” electoral analysis. You can google it. These guys are the backbone of the GOP spin and even they aren’t optimistic. The national polls don’t matter because we don’t have a popular vote system It’s the state by state analysis.
Posted by: polls | October 17, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
“I like how flexible Liberals principles are when it comes to vote fraud.”
I love how right wingers take 28 alleged fraudulent votes to justify voter suppression and delegitamize an election they are losing.
I also love how right wingers day in day out defend conservative policies and blast liberal ones. Only to turn around and claim they are big supporters of a liberal Democrat like Hillary Clinton.
You are a fraud.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
MAY BE Someone should tell her that election day is on november 4th and that today is October 17th !
OBAMA’S FANCY SNACK
THOUGH he’s battling GOP accusations that he’s an Ivy League elitist, Barack Obama has a lifestyle of the rich and famous, like TV show host Robin Leach, who always signed off,
“Champagne wishes and caviar dreams!” While he was at a meeting at the Waldorf-Astoria at 4 p.m. Wednesday, Michelle Obama called room service and ordered lobster hors d’oeuvres, two whole steamed lobsters, Iranian caviar and champagne”, a tipster told.
Posted by: Hero | October 17, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
I’m glad to hear so many on the right are worried about voter fraud. Where were they during the last two elections? If they are so worried, how about maiking sure every vote has a paper trail?! Oh yeah, that might mean the election was fair and the republicans could not manipulate the vote
Posted by: fearforthefuture | October 17, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Hero
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN SAID LAST WEKK:
“WE BELIEVE WE REALLY HAVE A 6% LEAD IN THE POLLS..WE’LL GO UP AND DOWN WE ARE FOCUSED ON WINNING BATTLE GROUND STATES”-BILL BURTON CNN
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
“The annual premium for single coverage averaged over $4,400.”
source: National Coalition on Health Care’
OOOPPPS! Another liberal lie debunked.”
Single people only get $2500 under McCain’s plan, families get $5000.
Oppps another right wing exposed.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
CONCERNED PLEASE PLEASE I BEG YOU TO TURN OFF THAT RIGHT WING NEWSCAST FOX AND ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT YOUR CANIDATE AND HIS TAX RASING I BEG
Posted by: ANGIE | October 17, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
WADE RATHKE: ACORN’S FOUNDER, AYERS’ COMPATRIOT
The lines of evidence now converge: the founder of ACORN was Wade Rathke, who, like William Ayers, was a member of the Students for a Democratic Society. The Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), the student organization founded in 1960 as part of the New Left, was the gateway drug to the Weather Underground.
In the early sixties, many in the SDS reluctantly supported Lyndon Johnson for president in 1964, and grainy black-and-white pictures show clean-cut men and women registering southern blacks to vote. Tom Hayden was amongst this group. But that was then.
By 1969, their Great Society liberalism had been co-opted by Marxists, Maoists, Spartacists, and other assorted revolutionary groups. They were no longer interested in change, but overthrowing the government. It was during this time that Wade Rathke first came into contact with Bill Ayers.
Posted by: Hero | October 17, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
“I also love how right wingers day in day out defend conservative policies and blast liberal ones. Only to turn around and claim they are big supporters of a liberal Democrat like Hillary Clinton. ”
Hillary is closer to left center than Obama can ever pretend to be. McCain is not as far right from the center as Romney or Huckabee. McCain only has 4 years in him, after that we’ll see who the Democrats nominate. Hopefully Hillary.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
CONCERNED IN OHIO
So you agree with Mccain taxing people on their health insurance THEN YOU WONDER WHY HE IS SINKING IN THE POLLS FASTER THEN THE TITANTIC
Posted by: ANGIE | October 17, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
“Guess what happens when the employer doesn’t have the cost of healthcare? Your paycheck goes up.”
Then I no longer have health care and the odds are greater than my company pockets the differences rather than passing that on to me as wages(depending on contract).Why do you want to take my health care benefits away?
“Guess what happens when you have your own plan? You get to make your own healthcare choices and you don’t lose your healthcare if you switch jobs.”
Its cost more since its not part of a larger company plan and I may not be able to afford the coverage I need. To say nothing of those with preexisting conditions or chronic illness.
With Obama’s plan, my company will receive a 50% tax credit for covering employees and my benefits will not be taxed like under McCain’s plan.
Posted by: Ryan c | October 17, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
cONCERED OHIO
“Guess what happens when the employer doesn’t have the cost of healthcare? Your paycheck goes up.”
YEAH RIGHT WHAT A LOAD I HAVE STAFF WE PAY ONLY WHAT WE HAVE TO!
THE TRUTH IS EMPLOYERS WILL POCKET THE MONEY!!
LESS PEOPLE WILL HAVE HEALTHCARE!!
YOU KNOW IT I KNOW IT! QUIT THE BS!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Ex-FBI agents outraged about Obama’s denial of Ayers’ friendship
Some may have thought John McCain’s raising the issue of Barack Obama’s long-term and continuous association, beginning as early as 1994 and continuing to at least 2002, with Bill Ayers — Obama’s “guy in my neighborhood” — otherwise known as an unrepentant domestic terrorist and former Weather Underground leader — would be viewed as too little too late.
But as John Batchelor commented in his blog post only a few days ago, McCain’s mention of Ayers during the last presidential debate would “establish a tragic theme in Mr. Obama’s campaign that will carry into his likely first term as the 44th president.”
see video :
Ex-FBI’s outrage against Obama’s denial of Ayers’ friendship
Posted by: Hero | October 17, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Concerned in OH: “I know you liberals have never hired anyone or know what its like to run a business,”
Oh, you mean like that Warren Buffet guy who is on the stump for Obama?
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
“Concerned in OH, No health care won’t mean paychecks go up. Profits will go up.
Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.”
If you take away the deduction for your medical insurance, then you will be bringing home more money.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
The Rasmussen poll for today, one of the most scientific of them all, has it 50% for Obama, 46% for McCain. The poll noted that it is the 22ND STRAIGHT DAY THAT OBAMA HAS HAD A LEAD OF BETWEEN 4 AND 8 POINTS.
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 17, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
“Hillary is closer to left center than Obama can ever pretend to be.”
ROFLMAO!
Hillary’s domestic policy was to the left of Obama’s especially health care.
Poor right wingers, they are so desperate for credibility they latch onto more respectable labels like Hillary supporter.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
So I assume that the ex FBI agents would be equally concerned that the repulican vice presidential candidate has ties to a group that wants to secede from the union and that her husband is a member of that organization.
Posted by: fearforthefuture | October 17, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Concerned in OH, is now for more taxes?
Posted by: silly detector | October 17, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Mack: “…a tipster told.”
But the lobster were humanely euthanized before being devoured. Iranian caviar? Nice touch. Compliments of Ahmadinejad?”
Why do Republicans even bother to attribute their lies to “a tipster” anymore? It seems that they are perfectly OK with just lying outright. And why do we care about them having a nice meal – do you think Senators typically have hot dogs and beer for lunch?
At this point McCain’s ‘honorable’ campaign has gone from embarrassing to laughable.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
“CONCERNED IN OHIO
So you agree with Mccain taxing people on their health insurance THEN YOU WONDER WHY HE IS SINKING IN THE POLLS FASTER THEN THE TITANTIC”
You’d better re-check the polls because they’re raising the Titanic.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Concerned in OH: “You clearly don’t know how competitive the market it is for good employees.”
Yes, the rapidly increasing unemployment numbers are a sure sign of a competitive employment market in Republican Reality.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
“If you take away the deduction for your medical insurance, then you will be bringing home more money”
But then you have no health insurance.
My insurance now costs over $4000 annually (and that’s thru the company). If that disappears, I will have McCain’s $2500 tax credit to find health insurance.
Its simple, people lose with the McCain health care plan especially those who already have health insurance from their employer which is 50% of people with health insurance.
Posted by: Ryan c | October 17, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
CONCERNED IN OHIO
You right wing nut The Democrats dont tax social security, that is taken out of your salary for when you retire and get Social Security that money is suppose to come back to you BUT EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IN THE H== MCCAIN TAXING HEALTH INSURANCE IS GONNA COME BACK TO YOU?
Posted by: ANGIE | October 17, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Concerned in OH, is that why employers no longer offer pension plans. have real wages gone up in the last 30 years as pension plans have all but been eliminated? employees now contribute to their own retirements with many companies not offering a match. wages won’t go up, if employers eliminate benefits. it’s that simple.
Posted by: bologna | October 17, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
It is now day 2 after the “Joe the Plumber” debate, and Obama has a 4 point lead nationally. Once more a McCain tactic has backfired. That campaign is like the Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight. LOL.
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 17, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
“Concerned in OH: “I know you liberals have never hired anyone or know what its like to run a business,”
Oh, you mean like that Warren Buffet guy who is on the stump for Obama? ”
Does he actually create jobs or does he buy stakes in existing companies?
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
CONCERNED IN OHIO
LIKES TO RAISE TAXES!
Posted by: ANGIE | October 17, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
so a potential vp of the usa, begged the speechwriters, speechwriters,
not to do something, and she had to do it anyway.
who are the speechwriters, maybe one of them should run for vp.
and where is that mavrick, she should have fought until she got her way.
how is she going to be able to deal with other world leaders, she will fold in a minute.
Posted by: world | October 17, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
“Apparently letting people make their own healthcare choices”
How are you giving people more choices by punishing them for getting healthcare thru their employer?
McCain’s health care plan punishes 50% of the people who currently have insurance by taxing their employer provided benefits.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
MACK
Do you know how much Health Insurance premiums are these days, for Individuals as well as families? thats why people rely on their Employers for Health Insurance and the big corporations get huge tax breaks and tax write offs for offering the Insurance so not only does the person benifit but the Employer does as well!
Posted by: ANGIE | October 17, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
RYAN C
Thats right people who have Health Insurance through their Employers about half of the country does, MCCAIN WILL PUNISH! AND TAX YOU! For people who dont have Insurance Mccain could care less I have not heard how he will help the Uninsured become Insured
Posted by: Angie | October 17, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Joel Stein FROM TIME STOOD OUTSIDE AN EARLY POLLING PLACE AND POLLED THOSE THERE TO VOTE 84% WHERE THERE TO VOTE FOR OBAMA!
EVERY OBAMA SUPPORTER HAS TO VOTE!!
WE WILL NOT LOSE THIS !
WE WILL VOTE!! WE MUST AND WILL WIN!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
The bottom line is that employers get lower premiums because they are part of a pool. Without that pool, individuals will pay higher premiums.
Concerned in OH sounds like Sarah Palin trying to talk about this stuff. Since Concerned likes Sarah that will be a compliment in Concerned’s eyes.
Posted by: huh? | October 17, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
“When you get your social security checks when you retire (although I’ll never see them because I’m too young) DEMOCRATICS TAX THAT AS INCOME”
Only if your outside income exceeds $25000 for single, $32000 for joint.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Mack: “Does [Warren Buffet] actually create jobs or does he buy stakes in existing companies?” If he *were* a Republican, then at this very moment you would be touting the thousands of jobs that he’s created.
Posted by: Nowhere Man | October 17, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Concerned that the press has been making fun of the fact that by selecting Joe the “Plumber” McCain was highlighting someone who would benefit from Obama’s tax overhaul, the McCain announces the following new “average Joe to replace Joe Six Pack and Joe the Plumber. Someone who realy is benefitting from the Bush Economy:
MEET JOE THE REPO MAN!
Posted by: ricky | October 17, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Ellen show Joe Six-term
Biden also told DeGeneres, who recently married actress Portia de Rossi, that he opposed Proposition 8, an amendment on California’s November ballot which would amend the state constitution to define marriage as solely between one man and one woman.
Debate Joe Six-Term
“Asked if he would support gay marriage, Biden said: “No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage
Now that Joe Biden is a real three letter word. L-I-E
Posted by: geevill | October 17, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Despite his sometimes opposition to torture, McCain has approved use of waterboarding by staff on his VP candidate in order to get her to say:
George the President.
Posted by: ricky | October 17, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
“My insurance now costs over $4000 annually (and that’s thru the company). If that disappears, I will have McCain’s $2500 tax credit to find health insurance. ”
You must have a Rolls Royce plan that includes implants because mine costs $382 per year thru my employer.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Less than 5% of Americans2 aged 18-64 who are not in public insurance programs
might face an increase in their taxes due to the McCain health plan. In every major income percentile, Americans will have, on
average, a reduction in their health insurance costs resulting from the tax credit proposal.
From Health Systems Analysis, health care consulting firm.
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | October 17, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
During the Keating Five scandal, McCain was cited for “poor judgment.” Nothing he has done since then has improved his judgment:
Picked Palin
Tapped Phill Gramm as economic advisor
Wants to tax your health benefits
Launched a negative campaign
Hired Rick Davis to manage campaign
Hired 19 former Freddie/Fannie lobbyists
Pals with convicted felon Gordon Liddy
Spiritual advice from Revs. Hagee & Parsley
Against women’s health issues
Used an unvetted Joe the Plumber, backfiring
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 17, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
During the Keating Five scandal, McCain was cited for “poor judgment.” Nothing he has done since then has improved his judgment:
Picked Palin
Tapped Phill Gramm as economic advisor
Wants to tax your health benefits
Launched a negative campaign
Hired Rick Davis to manage campaign
Hired 19 former Freddie/Fannie lobbyists
Pals with convicted felon Gordon Liddy
Spiritual advice from Revs. Hagee & Parsley
Against women’s health issues
Used an unvetted Joe the Plumber, backfiring
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 17, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
“Mack: “Does [Warren Buffet] actually create jobs or does he buy stakes in existing companies?” If he *were* a Republican, then at this very moment you would be touting the thousands of jobs that he’s created.”
Actually I was being serious. I don’t know if he has actually ever started a business or if he just buys stakes in them.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Biden is against taking away rights that people alreayd have.
He & Obama wants to make sure that the government treats same sex couples the same as opposite sex couples.
Obama is for repealing DOMA & Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.
McCain Palin praise their gay friends even as they advocate discrimination against them.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
Obama = cool, calm, intelligent, deliberate, reasoned
McCain = hot-headded, impulsive, reactionary, angry, reckless
Who do you want to have access to the “football” with the nuclear missile launch codes?
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 17, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Concerned in Oh: “Democratics tax you to take it from you, then tax you again when they give it back. It’s disgusting.”
Have you bothered to look at a W2? Social security contributions (which includes the 6% your employer kicks in) are not taxed when you earn them – just like 401k’s, you pay when you retire and pull out that money.
I don’t think you’re lying so much as honestly, truely, mindlessly believing all the lies the Republicans feed to their ignorant followers. As for me, I am not impressed by how well the ignorance party has steered our nation over the past 8 years.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
pennsylvaniavoter, did you read that report? they prefer Obama’s plan.
Posted by: ok | October 17, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
“Ellen show Joe Six-term
Biden also told DeGeneres, who recently married actress Portia de Rossi, that he opposed Proposition 8, an amendment on California’s November ballot which would amend the state constitution to define marriage as solely between one man and one woman.
Debate Joe Six-Term
“Asked if he would support gay marriage, Biden said: “No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage
Now that Joe Biden is a real three letter word. L-I-E”
What do you expect from a proven plagiarist.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
WHY DOES JOHN MCCAIN WANT TO CUT $880 BILLION FROM MEDICARE ???
THATS WRONG!!!
WHEN FL HEARS ABOUT THIS IT SHOULD BE OVER!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 17, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Mack: “Actually I was being serious. I don’t know if he has actually ever started a business or if he just buys stakes in them.”
His modus operandi is to find an undervalued company and then buy a management stake in it and rev it up. This is why he never got into the internet bubble companies – he didn’t understand it and won’t buy companies he can’t direct into growth and profitability.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
“From Health Systems Analysis, health care consulting firm.”
Actually the report is from mcCain’s website & HSI Networks
NPR walks us thru the phony report.
1. The analysis is by Minnesota-based HSI Network LLC.
2. The lead author is Roger Feldman, University of Minnesota, health economics professor.
3. Feldman is longtime advocate of so-called “consumer-driven” health plans, the name given by its advocates to the free market fundamentalism described above.
4. Feldman’s frequent academic and writing partner is fellow U. MN professor Stephen Parente.
5. Stephen Parente is also a co-owner the HSI Network LLC. the company that that did the pro-McCain report.
6. McCain economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin cited Stephen Parrente as a co-author of the McCain health plan.
7. QED: Left hand, meet right hand.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Warren Buffet runs Berkshire Hathaway. They have many employees.
Posted by: jobs | October 17, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
If she were actually interested in winning, Sarah would actually listen to her boss. She has a tin ear for what Americans want and need, listening only to the choir of her particular church. Which is fine by me. She has been a pox on McCain’s campaign, with greater negatives than any other person in the race. Sarah’s lament sounds a lot like Joe McCarthy’s — “I’m falling into the abyss and it’s only because the press is lying to America — real Americans believe me!” People have seen and heard more of these candidates directly than any in history. Clips, transcripts, full video of speeches, discussion groups are all available in vastly greater quantity than ever before. This campaign is probably the most directly followed we’ve ever had. TV and the major media outlets mean less than ever — look at their ad revenues and the number of failing papers and networks! Sarah’s lament is a direct reflection of her inability to grasp how America and Americans do not agree or even like her brand of politics.
Posted by: David in Illinois | October 17, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
One of Warren Buffets first holdings Nebraska Furniture Mart now buys 70%-80% of its furniture from China whereas they used to buy it in North Carolina.
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | October 17, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Mccain wants to cut 800 billon dollars from MEDICARE well young folks if Mccain is elected I feel bad for Granda Ma and Grand Pa he wants to cut 800 billion dollars for MEDICARE THATS SAD!
Posted by: Angie | October 17, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
“Warren Buffet runs Berkshire Hathaway. They have many employees.”
Looks like he took over the company in a hostile takeover.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
“Among the images that greeted visitors to the John McCain campaign office in Pompano Beach this week was a sign headlined “Barrack Hussein Obama” that compared the Democratic presidential candidate to Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler and Fidel Castro.
Shown a picture of the sign Thursday night, Broward Republican Chairman Chip LaMarca said he was “disgusted” by it and would immediately go to the office and remove it.
“I’m speechless at the ignorance,” LaMarca said. “It’s not something we can condone.
“We’re trying to promote positive messages for our candidates. I understand people want their candidate to win. It’s ridiculous. I’ll find out who put it up there, and maybe they’ll volunteer somewhere else.”
Another made up story like the “kill him” lie that was debunked by the Secret Service?
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
Rich people are hard workers, unless they support Barack Obama?
Posted by: Buffett Effect | October 17, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
“One of Warren Buffets first holdings Nebraska Furniture Mart now buys 70%-80% of its furniture from China whereas they used to buy it in North Carolina.”
Obama’s $3000 tax credit per employee will get those jobs back.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Well next time Governor Palin talk about this…it needs more than prayers!
ACORN helped Obama to beat Hillary. However, there were many more involved. For example, where was N.O.W. when Hillary was being attacked for daring to be a strong woman? Silence is consent when your values are being destroyed.
The depths of the insanity, the desperation to get their hands on the Oval Office has led the DNC to fabricate a candidate (as you all know by now) – a Manchurian candidate at that. Their hand revealed – a lust for power – they will get away with it because no one chooses to go after the DNC and take them to task. (Hint)
The DNC and everyone who supports them is guilty of treachery. Intentionally subverting our democracy in the vain pursuit of grotesque power is high treason.
Those among you who have supported the DNC can now see the truth about the DNC… unless you willing choose to keep your blinders on. I’m not saying the RNC is any better; however, at this point, they are keeping their lust suppressed. That is no consolation.
Both parties must be brought to their knees. Our Constitution must be returned to its place as the absolute law of the land.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 17, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
With regard to HSI from McCain’s website.
Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Blue Cross Blue Shield, United Health care don’t hire analysts for political purposes. A consulting firm wouldn’t be in business long is they didn’t perform unbiased analysis.
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | October 17, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
“Rich people are hard workers, unless they support Barack Obama?”
Just disecting the way that the liberal media disected joe the plumber.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
“A consulting firm wouldn’t be in business long is they didn’t perform unbiased analysis.”
When the consulting firm does analysis on a plan one of the firm’s co owners wrote they will stay in business because they cater to Republicans
Republicans love to hire biased firms to conduct bogus studies to back up their talking points.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Mack: “Just disecting the way that the liberal media disected joe the plumber.”
Fine, but since Warren Buffet was praised by John McCain in the last debate and is currently doing more to help the stock market than President Bush is – putting both his money and well respected mouth on the line – you look like an idiot.
The fact is that Joe the Plumber WOULD GET A TAX CUT FROM OBAMA’S PLAN AND IS NOT EVEN ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE OF THE POINT JOHN MCCAIN WAS TRYING TO MAKE. That’s not “liburl media” spin, that is fact. Get over it.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 17, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Mr. Voter:
Sarah did it the old-fashioned way, sure. Barack and Michelle did it the same way. Except they did it better. Lower income families, tough starts, worked hard. Then, Occidental, Columbia, Princeton, and Harvard Law. Sarah didn’t have the ability or drive to achieve at their level. She needs to face facts that she still comes up short compared to her competition. The only silver spoon candidate in the race is her boss. McCain/Palin may be the least distinguished ticket any major party has run in this country’s history. The opposite of elitism is not ignorance, though that seems to be the claim. We’ve had an experience with a ne’er do well, dim son of an accomplished father that hasn’t turned out so well. This time, let’s not vote for dumb simply because we like the little homespun story. Surely, Voter, we are all smarter than to fall for that.
As for what has worked for her, the response of real Americans in the polls says it all. More Americans dislike her than like her. She is the most disliked of the four folks on the major tickets. I have a hard time thinking anyone should tell the majority of Americans that they are wrong in judging whom they should like. Just wouldn’t be the American Way!
Posted by: David | October 17, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
PALIN IS NOTHING BUT A PARROT!!
Like the “straw man” she doesn’t have a brain! When are the American people and the press going to STAND UP and DEMAND she does a full blown 30 minute press conference??
Do you Republicans like Concerned in OH object to this? If you do why?
I will give you the answer, because there is nothing in that pretty head of hers! All she can do is read speeches written FOR her of a teleprompter!!
This is a travesty! How can somebody so stupid, that has just been convicted of ABUSE of POWER still be a serious contender in this race???
PRESS CONFERENCE, PRESS CONFERENCE, PRESS CONFERENCE FOR PALIN!!!!
Maverick???
Posted by: Davis | October 17, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
One of the best lines about Sarah I’ve seen goes like this:
“Ready for VP? Hell, she’s not even ready to be interviewed without her boss on camera with her!”
Imagine, if you will, Sarah on Meet the Press, Firing Line, This Week, 60 Minutes, Nightline, NewsHour, Face the Nation, even Chris Wallace’s bit on Fox. The campaign isn’t brilliant, but it’s not completely stupid either. Putting Sarah with that group, a routine circuit for even the most ordinary candidate, would be like tossing a pit bull puppy into a shark feeding frenzy. Nothing left but the lipstick, glasses and and a flag brooch.
Posted by: David in Illinois | October 17, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
I live in Roanoke and just went to the Obama rally… VA will vote for him! They had to turn away thousands of people that couldn’t enter… He gave props to VA TECH!! He gave answers to the issues… He will win VA!
Posted by: Paint VA Blue (Go Hokies!) | October 17, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Ryan C
So Obama hires his analysts to analyze his plan to his benefit. McCain hires analysts to his benefit.
Factcheck.org is liberally biased but all of the news agencies use them to make their points.
What is your point? That Harvard, Blue Cross Blue Shield, United and others are all Republicans. I doubt that.
The truth is that many independent analysts have assessed the major problems facing our health care system, and McCain’s plan addresses more of them than Obama’s.
Policymakers can address the problems of churning and uninsurance by making three major changes:
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Congress should change federal tax law to provide direct tax relief to individuals and families for the purchase of health insurance coverage. This would enable them to own their coverage and take it with them from job to job. Portability of coverage is the chief remedy for the instability of the existing health insurance markets.
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Until Congress makes these changes, state policymakers should redesign state health insurance markets to promote personal ownership of health plans, enabling individuals and families to keep coverage regardless of employment changes.
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State and federal policymakers should reform public health programs, notably Medicaid and SCHIP, guaranteeing enrollees a reliable, predictable funding stream for health care while designing assistance so that they can use it to buy private coverage, thus facilitating a seamless transition into private coverage. The right welfare policy would enable individuals to move off welfare and into the private economy.
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | October 17, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Why is McCain planning to tax health care benefits? Did anyone know that he wants to take 880 billion dollars from Medicaid to fund what he plans to do w/ the health care system? That is very serious! There are businesses in VA that don’t even offer health care and what if he wanted to take away money for Medicaid?? How is that going to help people be healthier? I’m scared of that plan. Hope God is watching the USA.
Posted by: Paint VA Blue (Go Hokies!) | October 17, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
“McCain hires analysts to his benefit.”
So you admit the study is bs.
“The truth is that many independent analysts have assessed the major problems facing our health care system, and McCain’s plan addresses more of them than Obama’s.”
That’s not the truth at all. Which is why you were reduced to posting a bogus study.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
“Fine, but since Warren Buffet was praised by John McCain in the last debate and is currently doing more to help the stock market than President Bush is – putting both his money and well respected mouth on the line – you look like an idiot.”
Of course he is putting money into the market, isn’t that where all his money is now? He stands to lose a fortune if the market continues to slide. He isn’t doing anything out of the goodness of his heart.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Ryan C
If McCain’s analysts are bogus then Obama’s are too. Do you really need an analyst to tell what is common sense, do you really need to be lead around by the nose?
What happens when the govt. enacts a program to insure everyone and then they can’t afford it? It ends up like SS, broke, Medicaid, broke, the govt. intervention in housing Fannie, Freddie, broke. The govt. can’t even run it’s own house let alone yours.
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | October 17, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
“If McCain’s analysts are bogus then Obama’s are too.”
There are independent analysis out there for both plans. Obama’s supporters don’t rely on bogus studies like you did.
“Do you really need an analyst to tell what is common sense, do you really need to be lead around by the nose?”
Here’s common sense, McCain plans to tax me and 50% of the people who get employer provided health benefits on those benefits for the 1st time in history.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
“If McCain’s analysts are bogus then Obama’s are too. Do you really need an analyst to tell what is common sense, do you really need to be lead around by the nose?”
I suspect Ryan C is an Obama paid blogger, so no matter what you post he’ll put a spin on it.
Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
And Obama plans to fine parents (the first time in history) and business owners who don’t purchase health insurance which he lied about the other night. His system can only work two ways, either force more people into the system or have govt. take it over completely.
Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | October 17, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
While the media investigates the trash can on Joe the Plumber, they let ObamACORN get a free pass?
Just who is running for president? Joe or ObamACORN?
Moreover, media repeat after me, this has nothing to do with what (or who) the “real Joe is. It has everything to do with what ObamACORN’s response was to Joe the Plumber.
ObamACORN is a Marxist who wants to take your success and spread it around to those behind you.
Posted by: Captain America | October 17, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
“And Obama plans to fine parents (the first time in history) and business owners who don’t purchase health insurance which he lied about the other night.”
He did not lie. McCain lied when he said Obama would fine small business owners when small business owners are specifically exempt from providing coverage. Obama even adds a 50% credit for small biz owners that do provide their employee with health coverage.
And its not a fine for larger business but a tax (something you were fine on McCain doing to workers but not ok for large companies) to help pay for their employees healthcare if they get it elsewhere.
In terms of parents, coverage of children will be mandated but there will be several options for providing health care including free public programs like SCHIP.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Sarah Palin scares me, and if McCain/Palin win, I’m joining Tina Fey and leaving Earth because as she says, “I can’t do that for four years.” But doggone it to heck, I’m rootin’ for this woman to utter even one coherent, logical sentence that hasn’t been scripted for her. I really want to be able to say, “Ah, now I see why McCain chose her for this important role.” I’m still waiting for this to happen. Don’t make me say “Joe the Plumber”? I don’t get it – she’s worn “Joe SixPack” out; isn’t that her and McCain’s contention, that Joe the Plumber IS Joe SixPack?
Posted by: babzilicious | October 17, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Being from MICHIGAN my feelings are a little indifferent when it comes to Joe “the plumber”…especially after he was photographed in that ::cringe:: Buckeye hoody…I think Ken “The artist” should be photographed in his WOLVERINE jersey for equal air time.
Posted by: KenB, MI | October 17, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Kind of funny that the whole Joe the Plumber thing has backfired, like just about every ploy coming from the McCain/Palin camp. Joe the Plumber probably has more attention on his less than high standing actions than he wants now! Boy oh boy. Oops.
What is just becoming increasingly clear is that Palin is sorely under-qualified. Bless her heart. McCain’s choice in picking her as VP candidate was a disservice to this nation on so many levels and is flat-out dangerous to this country’s well being and security.
McCain has simply sunk himself. If people are really keeping up on the facts, reading and listening and not just picking up on what they want to hear or succumbing to the ridiculous scare tactics, you will see that Mr.Obama has been very up-front and solid, while Mr.McCain keeps harping on the same lines over and over again, even after Mr.Obama has explained himself thoroughly.
Both Pain and McCain are simply sticking to their negative rhetoric to try to undermine Mr.Obama’s character and ability, they have nothing left to try because their ideas are counter-productive to the overall needs of this nation and the collective majority of its people and folks are recognizing that.
The fact is that Palin was a very bad decision when it comes down to who America needs to represent our country and who is most qualified professionally to step into the roll of the highest job positions in the United States.
Mr.Obama has shown time and again that he will be an effective leader, and he has the intelligence and calm demeanor to make level-headed decisions to the betterment of us all.
This is a job interview, and while McCain surely has the years behind him, Palin is too risky a gamble and choosing her lays bare McCain’s lack of good judgment regarding the safety and well being of this nation.
Posted by: JuliaH | October 17, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Uh, Ryan? SCHIP is NOT free. There ARE premiums to pay every month on this. Granted, they are reduced, but…
IT.
IS.
NOT.
FREE.
Not free to the parent, and certainly not “free” to the taxpayers subsidizing the program.
Posted by: Angie | October 17, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
I don’t care what’s best for Joe the Skin Head, or Joe Six-Pack. America can’t afford four more years of tax and spend Republicans in the White House.
Posted by: hamishdad | October 17, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
risk avoidance strategy
six pack… one syllable each
plumber…. two syllables
Posted by: OneObservation | October 17, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
The Bradley effect is going to suprise all of you, and make all of your comments meaningless.
Posted by: dw | October 17, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
“Families who earn too much to qualify for Medicaid may be able to qualify for SCHIP.
Families that do not currently have health insurance are likely to be eligible, even if you are working. The states have different eligibility rules, but in most states, uninsured children under the age of 19, whose families earn up to $36,200 a year (for a family of four) are eligible. For little or no cost, this insurance pays for:”
Posted by: Ryan C | October 17, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
RED states – turning BLUE. Those are the facts. Deal with it.
Posted by: lily | October 17, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
I am an independent vote, and i know who to vote on November 4. I consider the following criteria
1. Neither of the two candidates can straighthen up economiv recession that we are experiencing.
2. I am not carried away by nice speeches.
3.I do not trust lawyers to be the president of this nation. Law profession is the most evil profession in the world. Lawyers are devil’s advocate of elite organized crimes in the USA.
4. I will choose a candidate who is pro-life, with God fearing Christian values and understands the true american values and care much about american freedom.
Posted by: melissa | October 17, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
aaawwwww melissa – that’s so sweet. hahaha you guys are hilarious! RED turning BLUE. RED turning BLUE.
Posted by: lily | October 17, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Bradley effect, lily- watch for it!!!!!!!!
Posted by: dw | October 17, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
NO! Sarah please don’t tell me that someone with such a high functioning, intellectual brain like yours doesn’t write anything she says? Oh, gosh. Now I’m so confused because some of that mavericky stuff you were sayin’ there was really startin’ to get me fired up. I was even thinkin’ about givin’ Joe Six-Pack a little some’in some’in if ya know what I mean. Wink Wink
Posted by: lily | October 17, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
dw – I’m so glad you noticed me enough to call me out by name what with your smart thinkin’ and all. I’m not worthy of your “Bradley Effect” algorythims because you are way too smart for the rest of us. Thank you for your insights. I’m sure you know what you’re sayin’
Posted by: lily | October 17, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Ryan: I don’t need a lecture on how SCHIP works. I’ve been there, done that. You’re missing my point: While it may cost “little to none” for these families, it still costs the taxpayers. And those “premiums” can vary anywhere from $5 to $200+ a month. I know – I’ve paid them.
On another note, I need to ask some questions that have been burning a hole in my mind for ages. You appear to subscribe to the “spreading the wealth” philosophy and seem more than willing to give “answers,” since I see your name scattered hither and yon throughout these blogs, so maybe you have answers to these, too:
Based upon the ideologies behind this political philosophy, is it fair or right or good, in “spreading the wealth to those behind you,” for PERSON A to work, maybe even 2 or 3 jobs at a time, just to make ends meet while PERSON B refuses to work, knowing they will be supported by social programs (aka WELFARE), paid for through taxes levied against PERSON A? What if PERSON A were disabled yet chose to remain in the workforce and PERSON B were perfectly able-bodied but just not “motivated” enough to pry themselves from the cable TV that PERSON A cannot afford? If someone’s deliberately refusing to contribute SOMETHING to benefit society, why should society spread anything to them, including the means of continuing to drain resources handed up on a silver platter?
Posted by: Angie | October 17, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
I think we hit a sore spot.
Posted by: dw | October 17, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
Hey folks:
This is my opinion and prediction:
1. Neither of these two candidates can resolve this economic crisis in 4 years.
2. Obama will for sure win this 2008 election. However, his popularity rating will go down for reasons that he cannot fulfill his promises to his current campaign.
3. Hillary will challenge Obama for democratic primaries in 2012, and Hillary will win.
4. A republican candidate will defeat Hillary in 2012 presidential election.
5. 2012 president will be a republican,and she is a woman by the name of Sarah Palin.
Posted by: Elaine | October 17, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
18 more days of “Joe the Palling Around with Terrorist” and “Racism in Christian America” the pitbull and the maverick mutt the Mc K Lin Team coming to a government near you. Scary…
Posted by: Tired in America | October 17, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
The speechwriters ‘forced’ Sarah Palin to say “Joe the Plumber” by… torture? They locked her inside her tanning bed until she cried, “Uncle John” or what???
Great orator, successful politician, beloved by the unwashed masses…
According to the U.S. census bureau, in 2007 Alaska had a population of 670,000. Only 180,900 of these people were of voting age. Despite the extreme poverty of many Native Alaskans, the state’s median household income was ten-thousand dollars greater than the median income for the U.S. as a whole. Alaska also had one of the highest rates of fetal alcohol syndrome in the world.
Meaning that Governor Sarah Palin is a photogenic, clever, disingenuous, stone-age conservative who achieved the little she’s achieved because she grew up in a rich state with few residents, many of whom drink too much.
Sarah Palin is the best con artist to tap across the political stage since Richard Nixon and Joe McCarthy. She would rather see a pregnant 13 year old give birth to an AIDS baby fathered by a rapist than to allow the girl to have an abortion. She shamelessly holds up her Down’s syndrome baby as if the child were a symbol of her own virtue. She likes to kill and gut moose, elk, deer and other defenseless hoofed animals. She rails at ‘liberal’ principals because she obviously forgot to read the part of the Bible where Jesus says, “He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.” Frankly, I think the poor woman suffers from a grave mental disorder.
I’m telling you: the next thing we’re going to see is Todd Palin reaching into a hollowed-out pumpkin and removing microfilmed footage of Barack Obama, Samuel Gompers, the late Earl Warren, Osama bin Laden, Warren Buffet and The Girls Next Door dancing naked on the rooftop at ACORN headquarters.
Posted by: Linda Janie Broussard | October 17, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
Even Sarah is turning against her own ticket’s Robopalin campaign. It’s her best moment so far.
Posted by: sqrl | October 17, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Gee, you think Biden would ever be quoted as saying ‘Please don’t make me say “tax cuts for 95% of American” again’?? Cuz that is one lie which has got to be tiring even for the obamanobs. I know I’ve heard it 1000 times at least (and never followed by any details or questioned by an interviewer). I mean how can you cut taxes for ‘everybody but the rich’ when you are planning on letting everybodies tax rate go up a year from now???? Are they just planning on lying behing the log and planning on nobody in the MSM bringing it up? (duh, I guess I didn’t need to ask that).
Posted by: bpjam | October 17, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Uh, uh, that uh, that Sarah Palin, uh, she can’t uh, she can’t say anything that’s not scripted, uh. We uh, need to change that, and uh, hope uh, that things will uh, change and uh, American will see her for what she is because change is hope and uh, uh, hope is change. Anyway uh, that Sarah Palin and uh, her uh, smooth talking scripted speeches, uh, we need to spread the wealth, uh…
Posted by: Matt | October 17, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Reagan was told three times not to say “Mr. G. Tear down this wall”. Each time he added it back into the speech. I guess as President he has handlers he can overrule. Obviously Sarah does not have the option of overruling handlers. It is depressing that she has to beg them for permission to say things.
Posted by: John Austin Tx personal trainer | October 17, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
Palin and the Plummer really scare me. They truely believe the US is a good country and believe in traditional American values. They believe that the average person has an important place to play in politics; not just the elite and lieyers. They want to flush the Congress, with the lowest ratings in history, down the crapper. We must stop them at all costs and elect only socialists instead!
Posted by: freemort | October 17, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
As an independant here, I was strongly leaning towards McCain as I am a veteran of the 1st Iraqi war. But with the Palin, pick there is no way that I can support him as although I find her interesting, I am not sure she is ready to become VP. My vote is going to Obama.
Posted by: Anderson | October 17, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
No one of even the slightest intelligence could vote for a presidential campaign with Palin on the ticket. Even if you agree with her absurd big brother politics and religious views you cant credit her ability without outright deception of yourself and others. On another note, what would jesus do? Not shoot wolves from helicopters, make women pay for their own rape kits. I also find it hilarious that republicans cry socialism socialism when democrats want to give little kids healthcare but dont see the connection when it comes to THE STATE< THE GOVERNMENT controlling peoples bodys and minds, telling them what thay can and cant do to their own body's (abortion). I am American, I believe in Freedom.
Posted by: James Baxter | October 17, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Palin is like a bad car accident. You have to look but the sight makes you cringe.
Posted by: Kellie | October 17, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
Palin is an idiot, which is why she’s so popular. Joe McCarthy would have loved her.
Posted by: Franco | October 17, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
I am sorry here, but what is SO wrong with sarah palin?
mccain straight talk express was headed for a ditch until she can along.
do you know why they mostly campaign together now?
because she draws the crowds.
does this say they don’t want mccain for president?
i don’t know.
but i ask all of you palin knockers
what is so wrong with sarah palin?
she was asked to do a job, and she is trying to do it.
i agree, i am pretty certain if something were to happen to a pres. mccain, i would be worried if she became potus. quickly in a crisis.
but barring that happening, maybe she will learn to be vp.
bay buchannan said sarah palin is a quick study.
Posted by: wow | October 18, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Matt:
“Uh, uh, that uh, that Sarah Palin, uh, she can’t uh, ”
Fantastic, Matt.
Your description of BoZo without his teleprompter is…… AMAZING!
Posted by: schmalka bernstein | October 18, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
Jake Tapper is “da man”! Thank you for setting the bs straight.
Obama/Biden 08!
Posted by: Common Sense | October 18, 2008, 7:23 am 7:23 am
“Joe the plumber”, like Palin, was never vetted.
Obama/Biden 08!
Posted by: Common Sense | October 18, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am
Angie,
“Based upon the ideologies behind this political philosophy, is it fair or right or good, in “spreading the wealth to those behind you,” for PERSON A to work, maybe even 2 or 3 jobs at a time, just to make ends meet while PERSON B refuses to work, knowing they will be supported by social programs (aka WELFARE), paid for through taxes levied against PERSON A? What if PERSON A were disabled yet chose to remain in the workforce and PERSON B were perfectly able-bodied but just not “motivated” enough to pry themselves from the cable TV that PERSON A cannot afford? If someone’s deliberately refusing to contribute SOMETHING to benefit society, why should society spread anything to them, including the means of continuing to drain resources handed up on a silver platter?”
Moot. There are no jobs for able-bodied Americans. Nearly all good-paying jobs have been eliminated in favor of insourcing and outsourcing.
We have to turn this around to ensure opportunity for Americans, not just for foreigners.
Obama/Biden 08!
Posted by: Common Sense | October 18, 2008, 7:47 am 7:47 am
Perhaps Joe the Plumber is just a symbol for Palin – lacks the credentials for the job?
Posted by: lu | October 18, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
I just watched your Nightline “look” at Joe the Plumber. Thank God ABC is on the ball and exposing this citizen for the FRAUD that he is. Playing football in his front yard when Obama just “happened” to walk through? Right. And, using his middle name? What is he trying to hide, anyway?
Anyway, as I said, I am encouraged by your newfound enthusiasm for exposing the truth about people involved in this election.
I look forward to equally hard-hitting pieces providing an in-depth look at Ayers, Rezko, Khalidi, ACORN, Wright, Pfleger and Obama’s relationship to each.
Oh, and I posted this yesterday, but it was scrubbed. More hard-hitting, unbiased news coverage, eh? Doing a great job, ABC News.
Posted by: jana | October 19, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm