Palin Invokes Socialism Charge Against Obama

Obama did say he wanted to spread the wealth.
That IS socialism.
Barack Hussein Obama, wrong on socialism, wrong for this nation.

McCain will socialize the debt from the last 8 years of failed republican policies (“stimulus” packages, squandered corporate welfare, tax breaks for super rich and an unnecessary war). That’s socialism at it’s worst. He doesn’t want social programs that can lessen the tax burden through preventative means and provide necessary benefits to the people, yet he’ll require the responsible taxpayers to foot the bill for the financial debacle that came from deregulation. Republicans=Socialization without benefits.

somebody …quick
ask her to explain socialism…
and the difference between socialism and capitalism
or the difference between socialism and fascism.
you all know…
whether you support her or not…
she can’t.

Does Sarah Palin have any idea what “socialism” means? Has she ever actually defined what she means?

How long will it be before Obama throws Powell under the Obama BUS

Who has the majority of the Congress???
Oh yeah, it is the DEMOCRATS.
Who wrote your “bailout is socialism” bill??? Then voted on it to send it to bush????
Your arguement is weak and pathetic.
Keep yelling it though, you might find someone who can’t think for themselves to believe it. Isn’t it a liberal motto to repeat something enough times and it defaults to a fact?!?

The most distressing thing about this election is the wasteful, over the top campaign spending. I can’t imagine how Americans feel good about this.

Before anyone considers voting for McCain, Google the following:
McCain/G. Gordon Liddy
McCain/Rick Davis/Lobbying
McCain/Rev. John Hagee
McCain/Charles Keating
McCain/Freddie Fannie/lobbying
McCain/Wm Timmons/lobbying Saddam Hussein
McCain/Keating Five
McCain/ US Council for World Freedom
McCain/Rev. Rick Parsley
McCain/new GI Bill
McCain/Saudi Royal Family/lobbying
McCain/Disabled American Vets/rating
McCain/400 missed votes
McCain/Iraq & Afghan Veterans of America/rating
McCain/Deregulation votes
McCain/Keating/campaign contributions
McCain/Iran-Contra
read ‘em and weep—for our country if this dangerous hothead gets elected

No wonder neocons love her so much. They’ve finally found a new hero to worship who’s as clueless as they are. God help us all if this woman ever gets near the White House. I mean that. We better be hoping for a divine intervention or something. Does anybody still believe she has any idea what she’s talking about?

What’s wrong with a little socialism? You people make it sound like its the plauge! You have been brought up thinking it implies Communism and you couldn’t be further form the truth! You have been brainwashed into thinking that your living the American dream, working for some company making them rich while you get pennies to their thousands. Come on wake up – time to change the system -
Beside’s how does the top 1% hold over 50% of the wealth in this country?

No the most disgusting thing about this election is how the liberals have tried to claim that McCain and Bush are the same person.

Well the stories are getting desperate and sound like goosestepping rhetoric. Joe the Plumber still won’t go away.
Mrs. Palin and John McCain should keep in mind that the most famous Plumber of all pals around with John McCain. This Plumber held campaign fund raisers for John McCain, is a close friend of the family and has McCain regularly on his radio show. This famous Plumber served time as a felon and is unrepentant for his role in the biggest presidential scandel and abuse of the executive office before Bush. G. Gorden Libby, the Plumber of Watergate and pal of McCain. Senator McCain just defended Libby on the Letterman show.
So funny to hear that John McCain really pals with all kinds of plumbers.

Anybody check out the Yahoo news And how Freddie and Fannie lobbied the GOP With the help of RICK DAVIS Mccains camp manager ON HAVING NO REGULATION Rick Davis,Mccain and the Gop are responsible FOR THE HOUSING CRISIS because of no regulation time for the corrupt bums to go!

McCain’s best pal Bush took a HUGE step toward socialism when he effectively nationalized the banking system. Explain that one, you neo-con whack-jobs

HAS John McCain called for a flat tax?
NOPE. I guess Sarah Palin would call him a socialist.
The difference between McCain’s tax plan and Barack Obama’s is that McCain thinks the top rate should be 36% and Barack Obama thinks that Americans who make more than $250,000 should pay just a little bit more, 39%.
The striking thing is that McCain is mostly concerned with those who make over $250,000.
Obama is mostly concerned with middle class Americans.
NOTE TO SARAH PALIN: John McCain redistributes wealth too.

Obama = cool, calm, reasoned, deliberative, thoughtful, articulate
McCain = angry, impulsive, reactionary, confrontational
Who do you want to have access to the missile launch codes?

DO ANY OF YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT SOCIALISM MEANS? INCLUDING PALIN? SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY IS WHAT MADE THE SCANDINAVIAN COUNTRIES THE RICHEST WITH PUBLIC SCHOOLS LOOKING LIKE PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND POVERTY NON EXISTANT OR NOT POVERTY SEEN BY CAPITALIST COUNTRIES. THINK OUT OF THE BOX, AND LEARN TO SHARE.

William
I am so glad you call a liberal that has infiltrated the conservative party a “wackjob”.

Obama did say he wanted to spread the wealth.
That IS socialism.
Barack Hussein Obama, wrong on socialism, wrong for this nation.
Posted by: Liberals will follow him over cliff | Oct 20, 2008 8:22:04 AM

And the bailout that President Bush suggested is NATIONALIZING OUR BANKS… ITS CALLED SOCIALISM.. man you conservatives love egg on your face!

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Price supports for farmers a form of “spreading the wealth around”, too. Republicans support price supports, so Republicans must be socialist, too.

Conservatives have done such a magnificent job these last eight years. Everything is just wonderful and right in the world:
We are at peace; no Americans dieing anywhere
Democracy is spreading across the globe
We do not torture anyone
We do not wiretap citizens
People all over the world love and admire the US
We have the strongest economy we’ve ever had
We have nearly full employment
Everyone has health insurance coverage
We have no national debt
Trade is in our favor
Personal investments are at an all time high
Our President is one of the best in our history
Social Security is strong and healthy
Yes, folks, the Conservatives have surely established a land of milk and honey.

“I think the McCain campaign should be ashamed to use the words of someone (Joe)who has not fulfilled his legal obligation of paying his own taxes first before he chooses to speak publicly about tax policy.”
Posted by: winter99 | Oct 20, 2008 9:05:30 AM
I think the Obama campaign should be ashamed to use someone– Martin Nesbitt, the treasurer of Obama’s campaign–who has not fulfilled his legal obligation of paying his own taxes first before he chooses run a campaign which speaks publicly about tax policy
Martin Nesbitt, the treasurer of Obama’s campaign, has tax liens. So do his companies.
http://webofdeception.com/nesbitt.html
You’d think that matters more than the tax liens of Joe the Plumber, wouldn’t you? But good luck finding a Big Media story about Nesbitt’s liens.
Because, you know, associations matter when choosing a plumber, but apparently not when choosing a President.

Note to “slim,” who erroneously wrote:
“How many Generals endorsed McCain = 10
How many Generals endorsed Obama = 1″
Do your research before you impune Colin Powell’s endorsement of Barack Obama. A quick google led me to coverage of a press conference at which nine generals supported Obama. I’m sure there are more. Do more generals support John McCain? Probably. Who cares?
But you, slim, state “fact” without benefit of truth. You must be a Republican.

Note to “slim,” who erroneously wrote:
“How many Generals endorsed McCain = 10
How many Generals endorsed Obama = 1″
Do your research before you impune Colin Powell’s endorsement of Barack Obama. A quick google led me to coverage of a press conference at which nine generals supported Obama. I’m sure there are more. Do more generals support John McCain? Probably. Who cares?
But you, slim, state “fact” without benefit of truth. You must be a Republican.

The Difference between Republicans and their wealth Redistribute
BUSH AND GANG HAS JUST BROUGHT SOCIALISM TO THE TABLE WITH BAILING OUT BANKS AND CEOS! Thats ok! to bail out Rich ceos? but Taxes have to be paid For a variety of reasons,Schools,Infrastacture etc, For the past 8 years we have had the whole Trickiling down affect give the Rich and Wealthy the tax breaks Tax the sh– out of the Middleclass and the wealth will trickle down DONT THINK THAT HAS WORKED OUT TOO WELL Senator Obama is not SPREADING THE WEALTH He is looking at the Tax code and TRYING TO MAKE IT FAIR It has not been VERY FAIR!

Once, just once, I’d like to hear people who claim that Obama is a socialist define socialism. And then answer these questions:
Do they cash or intend to cash their Social Security checks? Did they attend or do they send their children to public schools? If they suffer losses in a natural disaster, do they expect FEMA to help them? Do they accept or intend to accept Medicare?
Arguably, all these benefits that we have come to consider our rights as Americans are socialism.
ALL taxation is a form of redistribution of wealth. The only real issues are who is taxed, the amount they are taxed, and what the money is used for.
Cynical politicians like McCain and less-than-intelligent demagogues like Palin throw the word “socialism” around because they know that it gets a rise out of the stupid and uneducated.
It’s like the word “anti-American” — no one knows what it means except that it’s bad and oh-so-handy to use against people who don’t share your opinions.

She proudly touts her increase of oil royalty payments to all residents of Alaska regardless of merit, but is against socialism?

John…I agree…the McCain has been trying the confuse the voters this whole election. They want to give to the rich, which the Reps have always done. At least Obama is thinking about the middle class.
I don’t think McCain knows how to say “middle class”. Maybe we’re just “that one.”

Alexandra..I think if we had another year to REALLY investigate Palin, this country would be shocked!
We have only just touched the iceburg….

Angie..you are right!!
I think our forfathers had a Tea Party over the same thing. It was double taxation.

nick…Joe the Plumber is a fake. He only makes $40,000 a year and cannot even buy the business because he isn’t licensed.
He would get a tax decrease. With the savings maybe he can pay his back taxes.

NICHOLAS
Senator Obamas Spread the wealth was taking out of content by Fox news, But please explain How Palin is any Different Taking from the oil companies and spreading the wealth to people of Alaska! please Explain the Difference or Bush TAKING FROM THE MIDDLECLASS BAILING OUT BANKS AND BIG CEOS THATS OK?

For everyone who doesn’t know, here is the definition of socialism:
Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly.
Sounds good to me.

Palin will only Interview on CBN…
Brody: Let me ask you a little bit about media scrutiny because some of the media networks…wonder why you don’t go on some of the 24/7 cable networks. What is your response to that?
Palin: Well sometimes it just doesn’t do any good. I mean you set yourself up just to continually be mocked, you know so sometimes that doesn’t do any good, but what I have done in this campaign is in reaching out to the American voters through our rallies, through the one on ones, through the small meetings that we’ve had trying to get our message out, our plans for this country out there minus the filter of some of the filter of the mainstream media because, because that filter as, as we see every day when we turn on the news too often there is this, this opaqueness, there is this, this spin, this contortion of a person’s words and intentions and that does more harm than good, so it’s a greater challenge for me and for John McCain to try to get our message out there without that filter of I think some of the world’s media. It’s a greater challenge, but again, it does make us work harder and try to reach more people. That’s why we’re traveling around so hard and fast and aggressively across the US is to reach more people.

80,000 at St. Louis Arch to see Obama Saturday. A quick tour of parking downtown revealed lots of Illinois license plates, and tons of busses, all with Illinois license plates. Not only Illinois, but Iowa, Indiana, even Nevada, etc. Obama supposedly leading in Missouri by 6 points in one poll. Claire McCaskill was overheard at the airport Saturday telling someone that she doesn’t believe the polls in Missouri. She thinks it’s a dead heat. Saturday was a spectacle designed to promote the inevitability of Obama. Don’t buy into it. They want McCain supporters to stay home from the polls. They can only win this thing if we hand it to them!

Scand…you are so right. I am a christian and I believe Sarah Palin will see her reward( notta), because she has bore ” false winess” against Obama.
God we take care of her.

Psstt… Palin
The biggest socialistic move was done by Bush a few weeks ago when the US took over the banking system. You would have known that if you ready any of the papers in the country.
Sorry, forgot you didn’t read.

If McCain and Mrs. Bush win…… I’m moving to another planet with Tina Fey.
Watching the debates and monitoring the cable news…yes even Fox…I can’t fathom why a person with even a sixth grade education couldn’t see through the smear tactics and bald faced lies delivered with gusto to the American people by the GOP. F that ….TO THE WORLD and how embarrassing!
I remember being in Amsterdam in the early 70′s trying to defend myself for being born in the same country as Nixon….
The last 8 years have been even worse…
we are looked at like crude louts that can’t even elect a president right….TWICE!!!
Hopefully, we out-spend the pricks… get in office…and pass a law for campaign finance reform so this obsene money for office can be put to rest and even I can run with matching funds. KLet’s have 500 oparties like India or whereever…

The draft of our young men into the military will return with Obama. Therefore, all you mothers and grandmothers out there remember your vote for Obama drafted your sons and grandsons into the military. Here is why it will happen:
Michael F. Scheuer, the founding head of the CIA’s bin Laden unit: Senator Obama must have left a couple zeroes off his plan for reinforcements. Two brigades — which is about 6,000 men — will not make a lick of difference in Afghanistan, which is a country the size of Texas, with the highest mountains on earth, a hostile population, and a growing Islamist insurgency. If Obama starts talking about 100 brigades — about 300,000 men — then the public might be able to assume he means business. Otherwise, he is just blowing smoke. Obama and all the other candidates in the other parties constantly say that “we have tried the military option and it does not work.” This of course is a bald lie; U.S. military power has been used most daintily in Afghanistan and Iraq. If the military power we have delivered in both places so far is the best we can do, then American taxpayers have been monumentally swindled in the amount of taxes they have paid for their military during the past 25 years. And another billion dollars for aid for Afghan reconstruction would just be another billion wasted. It appears that Obama and his fellow candidates in both parties have not learned that programs for economic recovery, internal stability, and nation-building cannot be started with any hope of effectiveness and durability until the enemy has been definitively annihilated. If Obama is right and the military option has failed, then more aid is just throwing money away because — as all can see — the enemy is growing in size and ferocity and shows no signs of being on the edge of annihilation.
Democrat President LB Johnson used Vietnam to enrich the industrial-military-complex. Moreover, the Vietnam War helped LB Johnson with the unemployment problem. Sounds cruel and unreal, but it is a historic fact.
Then there is the opportunity to draft women into the national service of many different jobs. You never heard of the national service program that Colin Powell and Barack Obama think is a great idea. Obama will be full of surprises because Democrats want to control people. Of course, that is not socialism, but then I do not know what to call it. Demsoism may be a good name

The dems have had control of congress the last two years.
When did the price of gas skyrocket and the economy tank???
Within the last TWO YEARS!!
Nuff said!

For those who have swallowed Mc Caine’s and Palins demonization of Obama as a socialist hook, sink and line please read this and educate your selves. By the way Paul Krugman is a Professor of Economics at Princeton and was awarded the nobel price in economics in 2008.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/20/opinion/20krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Why Obama’s plan for a heavy tax rate on the oil industry will not work? The oil companies can reorganize to produce less oil at a higher price. It is a way for the oil companies to retain their profit margin. A principle in business is to sell less product at a higher price to make the same amount or more money. Obama is not fooling anyone. If he plays with the oil companies as others have tried in the past, the MIDDLE CLASS AND THE POOR Why Obama’s plan for a heavy tax rate on the oil industry will not work? The oil companies can reorganize to produce less oil at a higher price. It is a way for the oil companies to retain their profit margin. A principle in business is to sell less product at a higher price to make the same amount or more money. Obama is not fooling anyone. If he plays with the oil companies as others have tried in the past, the MIDDLE CLASS AND THE POOR will pay a high price for fuel while being unemployed. Do not depend on a quick fix from alternative fuels. A withdrawal from oil dependency will require twenty or more years. In the mean time, you will suffer from Obama economics. Moreover, that will set oil price precedence for the future. Be prepared for $300 a barrel oil.
The cost of one new deep water well cost in excess of 250 million dollars. The oil companies need money to drill, not a tax to stop drilling. When $8.00 to $10.00 a gallon gas comes to market, do not place the blame on the oil industry. Look at Obama economics.

RepubsareSLOW: Apparently you aren’t using your comprehensive reading skills. I did not claim the republicans weren’t socialists. But then again you don’t have any substance to your post only rhetoric. Obama can’t give a tax cut to 95% of americans because over half of those people he would give a “cut” to don’t even pay taxes. And the majority of that plan is tax credits not cuts, meaning you will pay the SAME if not MORE taxes (if you pay taxes) but you will just get a bigger government check at the end of the year. That means they will redistribute the wealth from those who have earned it to those who have not. That’s communism, you can’t escape it that’s what it is. Taking over private business by government, that’s socialism… where government is responsible for everything.
Like I said, long overdue for term limits in congress and the supreme court and certainly for a third party.

And she is dead on accurate. But really folks, we shouldn’t fear so much from an Obama / Pelosi Administration … he didn’t do anything in the Ill Senate, didn’t do anything in the US Senate….maybe he’ll just write a few books, give some great speeches in Hollywood and let Biden run the country.
Sen. Obama, experience matters. I have made many mistakes in my short life. It is true, when I think about it, that each of those mistakes are among my greatest assets with respect to decision making, each and every one of them. This is because we all learn from our mistakes. At all times, I believe the best of my judgment is anchored in the cement that is my experience. I believe firmly that the longer I live, the more I will have experienced, and the better my judgment will be, on the balance. Sen. Obama, do you really believe that you have made enough mistakes to be the next President of the United States? Many say that what you won’t make the same mistakes that others have because of your sound judgement (ie, your choice of pastor). The only thing, Senator, is that there still remain many mistakes yet to be written into this planet’s history books. You won’t always have the benefit of others experience, you’ll have to leverage your own experience and you have too little on which to base your judgement. I respect your ambition. I respect your charisma. I embrace your place in history, but I do not believe you have sufficient experience to lead this planet, not even close.
America, since the mainstream media has failed to examine Sen. Obama’s experience and lack of experience, you will have to determine for yourselves what exactly is Sen. Obama’s experience? What did he accomplish in the Illinois legislature? He was only there for a handful of years. What did he promise he would accomplish? What did he accomplish in the U.S. Senate? He has only been on the job as a U.S. Senator for 1xx days. What did he promise he would accomplish? What has he changed in this world? This country? The Presidency of the United States is an executive position Sen. Obama. Do you have any executive experience? Have you created a budget, negotiated a budget, revised a budget or managed adherence to a budget?
Sen. Obama insists on presenting Sen. McCain’s experience as being only an puppet of the Bush administration. I saw Senator McCain stand up to President Bush’s Defense Secretary. He stood in a manner that no other did. He changed the course of the war in Iraq. What percentage of all GOP legislative votes sided with President Bush’s? What percentage of all Democrat legislative votes sided with Presidents Clinton, Carter and Johnson’s policies? I have no idea, but I’d venture to guess that, had the media presented that information to the American public, we’d find rank and file partisanship throughout our recent history. How many Americans would be surprise by that?
Well Senator Obama, you might be able to claim that you did not support the Iraq war resolution, but what can you offer as proof that it was the right decision at that moment in our history? You were after all in the small minority. Our country was after all reeling from the worst terror attack in our nation’s history. How would history have judged President Bush had he not led our troops into Iraq and then, a massive terror attack occurred yesterday, perpetrated by terrorists that lived and trained in Iraq over the past few years, with or without knowledge of Saddam Hussein? I think about it this way: history failed to present enough evidence to push the World to coalesce and intervene in 1930s Europe. But modern history is 100% clear on that point, it would have been the correct decision. History might well judge the Iraq war to be not a right decision. History will judge the Bush administration on many points. One of those may even record it, in part, as a series of lapses in the judgment of a young President, swayed by the belief and conviction of an older, seasoned Vice President and the overwhelming circumstances of a world that had changed dramatically, in an instant. I agree with you Sen. Obama that we don’t need another eight years of the Bush Administration, we dont need another eight years of an inexperienced President.
Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, Ms. Behar, Ms. Mitchell, Mr. Matthews … you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You and your colleagues might think you have the power to micro-filter democracy’s messages to your liking, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You might think you have the power to subtly, and not so subtly promote and gather others to blindly promote one candidacy, while casting another in the least flattering manner possible, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You do not get to dismantle America’s vote. The mainstream media bias in this election is at best described as repugnant and at worst, a slap to the face of democracy; an assault on the moral and righteous ideal that all American voters should be free to construct their vote on the basis of readily available, factually complete, accurate, relevant and unbiased fact. It is my opinion that, during this election cycle more than any other I have witnessed, the mainstream media has failed millions of American’s who rely on them, as a basis for constructing their vote. Am I wrong? I might be wrong, but I’ll ask you, the American voters to decide that for yourself, by asking yourself some questions. Questions such as why was so much time spent this election cycle mining for dirt in Alaska, why was so little time was spent tracking laundry in Illinois? Why has the mainstream media spent so little time illuminating the razor thin experience that the junior Senator from Illinois maintains as his credentials? Indeed, if the media was prepared to be fair and honest, they would have been able to report, with incontrovertible confidence, that they were reporting fact, that the candidate having the most experience directly relevant to the position of the Presidency of the United States is actually the candidate that has been relentlessly attacked by the media, both personally and professionally. The mainstream media owes an apology to American Democracy for its treatment of Gov. Palin. Why is it, that after finally deciding to give minimal airtime to the ACORN voter registration fraud issue, was it not mentioned that Sen. Obama’s campaign funded ACORN? Sen. Obama, in my mind, there is no distinction between committing voter registration fraud, serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud or funding those serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud. During the last debate, you did a fine job of distancing yourself from ACORN, but you failed to directly confront and condemn those that perpetrate or encourage voter registration fraud. You had a nationwide audience, and you chose not to act.
The President is the commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces. That is a serious responsibility. I question how you can expect us to believe that you will effectively maintain the morale, skill and competence of our forces after you have insulted them (I have a friend that is an Army Reservist. He is deploying, again, to Iraq. He has a wife, a son and a daughter. He does not serve so that he can kill children and raid villages Senator). What will serve as your experiential basis for leading the U.S. Military? Do you have any military experience at all? Have you ever served in ROTC? Did you at least play with the little green plastic troops when you lived in Hawaii? Do you know firsthand the horrors of war? I believe that firsthand knowledge and experience is the most critical element one can use in formulating decisions, including the determination of when to and when not to deploy U.S. Military forces. Sen. McCain has that experience. That I know. That he has shown. The media can’t take that away from him.
With regard to foreign policy experience, do you think you are qualified to navigate the most powerful democracy the world knows during a time when the fundamentals of democracy are very much under attack? Are you ready to face Mr. Putin? Mr. Chavez? Kim Jung mentally Ill? China? Iran? Are you ready to answer the 03:00 phone call? What experience do you have that I should judge gives you readiness? What is that experience? What foreign leaders have you negotiated with directly? What treaties have you signed? The media has presented none and neither have you. I have a good number of stamps in my passport Sen. Obama. I lived and worked in Germany for a brief period. Sen. Obama, I am not qualified by a longshot to make United States foreign policy, and you may only be marginally more qualified than I.
The oratorical is no substitute for judgment or experience Senator Obama. I do not believe that you have the experience to be President of our country. Experience matters Sen. Obama, and you are not ready, you have not made enough mistakes. But most glaring to me, Senator Obama is the one mistake that you seem willing to make over and over and it is the worst mistake one can make. That mistake is the action of not owning and learning from one’s mistakes. The surge worked Senator.
Sen. Obama, you claim that you will cut taxes on 95% of all Americans. Is that true? Or let me rephrase, how can that be true? You told the voters of Illinois that you would cut taxes, but you have failed to do so in the U.S. Senate. Did you even try? Did you present a bill? Were it a committee issue did you encourage your peers to present one? Have you ever voted for a tax cut? What did you mean Senator Obama when you told Plumber Joe that you wanted to spread the wealth? Do you mean that you want to take money from Joe and give it to those with less money? Your running mate, Sen. Biden has commented that you would not be taxing additionaly those making under $250,000 a year. Sen. Biden commented that he knows no plumbers that make over $250,000 a year. I think that those who claim your tax policies embody class warfare are wrong. Wrong, because the policies are class warfare policies, but they are not directed against the haves, they are directed against the have-nots. Senator Biden, you may well be correct that few plumbers earn over $250,000 a year, but some that own plumbing contracting businesses probably do. What do those that spin your message have planned to say to that one plumber out of maybe six or seven that was employed by a plumbing company, but was laid off, because business is slow, new homes weren’t being built and President Obama’s tax increase forced the owner of the plumbing business to lay her off? The owner tried every angle possible, but was forced to make a tough decision. They were faced with the prospect of either making a tough decision or risk running the entire operation into financial distress and end up having to close operations and fire all workers? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell her that, even though she has no job, she does at least still have access to affordable healthcare? Senator Obama what will you say to the still unemployed plumber in Ohio, father of two, that nearly had a job secured, the owner had just signed a good contract for a small building and he was ready to hire that plumber, but learned from his accountant, that President Obama’s, Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid’s tax increase has made it not possible to hire another employee? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell that plumber, that even though he still has no job, he does have a lower tax rate applied against his $0.00 income.
Sen. Obama, you have stated over and over that Sen. McCain supports tax breaks for corporations that send their jobs overseas. The media has not reported on this one way or another, but if you are correct, then I commend Sen. McCain for doing so. What you don’t get, Sen. Obama, or perhaps don’t want the American public to get, is that income taxes, to a for profit enterprise are expenses not much different from the costs of raw materials and salary expenses for purposes of this discussion. All else equal, ladies and gentleman, a corporation will locate itself, and its jobs, or begin to locate itself and its jobs, in areas where it is least penalized in terms of taxes. This is how for profit American corporations behave and this is how they must behave. Their competitors are operating in that manner, continually scouring expenses to search for reduction opportunities. They have to. If they do not, they will be at a cost disadvantage and if their tactical errors are sustained, they may well go out of business in which case, even those jobs which remain in the United States, could also disappear. Even if the company does not fail entirely, some jobs may be eliminated, and chances are great that the highest cost jobs would be targeted first. Sen. Obama, America is not a low cost country, in these circumstances, high cost American jobs would be targeted first, all else equal. When those jobs are cut Sen. Obama, those finding themselves newly unemployed will not have money to support the ‘under $250k’ crowd…they won’t have money to support small businesses…is it sinking in at all?
Your position of not supporting tax breaks for corporations that export jobs overseas, indeed, only encourages them, at the margin, to further export jobs, or slow their job creation in the United States or end their job creation in the United States. This is global economic reality. The media can not distort this fact for you. At the final debate, I heard you add a carrot to your plans. You pulled that same tax string attached to the back of your head and out came the message your handlers have planted in you, that message you think the voters want to hear. I was laughing a bit, but if I understand you correctly, you’ll give tax credits to corporations that create jobs in America. In case you don’t know Senator Obama, this already happens today at the state and local level all across America. Have you thought about how much additionaly, it will cost the U.S. Treasury to employ workers, in an audit fashion, in order to verify which of all the xx million jobs that corporations claim they created, were actually created or do actually exist? What are the time constraints? How long must they keep the job filled in order to receive the credit? What would happen when that timeframe passes? Let me point this out to my fellow voters. Senator Obama wants to first keep tax rates on corporations high or raise them – thereby encouraging employers large and small to export their operations and jobs – and then at the same time he wants to turnaround and give them a tax credit for jobs they create? Senator, or maybe I should be addressing your advisers, you do realize that the two are policy opposites don’t you? It looks to me that you might be trying to convince us that it would be a good idea to spend more on government for an unknown expected net job decrease/increase. If you can convince us that those are winning policies Senator Obama, then I’d suggest you save us all some trouble, sell the American voters a bridge to nowhere and retire, pen some books, give some speeches. Indeed, your tax policy is bigger government, bigger IRS, more regulatory burden on American corporations and more administrative overhead makes them less competitive in the global market and less likely to employ. It is not the right policy Senator Obama, not by a long shot.
Go back to the Senate and accomplish something Sen. Obama. Your candidacy is an insult to America.
ps, the verdict has been in for decades on the effectiveness of spreading the wealth policies. Go visit an American Indian Reservation Sen. Obama. The only thing that has changed for the past several decades is the faces of the Washington politicians that have redistributed wealth to us. Do you have any clue what the average unemployment rate is in Indian Country Sen.Obama? Illicit drug use rate? Teen pregnancy rate? Suicide rate? Pick a rate Senator.

Let me see if I understand this.
If I give my employee’s a year end bonus to spread my wealth I am a socialist?
I was excluded by the way from the economic stimulus because I made too much money. Funny no one called that socialism, I actually just thought that was Government.
My sense is that the label socialistic is being used to scare people rather than look at how to revisit the tax policy in the same manner that Ronald Reagan did. I might suggest looking back at what he did and then reconsider the knee jerk reactions.
It is ironic that Sarah Palin is critical about this, the entire State of Alaska is sharing the wealth of oil money, talk about socialism.

Norm
You just schooled that liberal repubsareslow!!!
Thank you for your words of reason Norm!

The entire State of Alaska is sharing the wealth of oil money because it is capitalism. If it is socialism then the populace would receive nothing from the oil revenues.

I will be voting for McCain/Palin in Nov.
I am a registered Democrat but I am alarmed that Obama/Pelosi/Biden have become SOCIALIST LIBERALS.
I work hard for my money and DO NOT like the idea of the government taking my money and giving it to those who don’t want to work and are just waiting for government hand-outs.
Too bad Hillary was cheated out of the Democratic nomination……..

I wish McCain had brought up the 40% who don’t pay taxes at the debates. They wouldn’t lose many votes anyways.
The 40% who don’t pay taxes who vote republican don’t vote republican for greedy “me” politics anyways and many would probably have enough pride to recognize they should get more back.
To all the people “if I made $250K I wouldn’t mind paying more” what is stopping you? You can give the IRS more money now if you care so much about people. Although I bet you’re hypocrites like Biden who don’t even give to charity much less more than the minimum to taxes.
You’re a fool if you think the bar will stay at $250K. Just as recently as the primaries Obama’s ceiling was $70K but he realized this wouldn’t be as effective of a class warfare strategy since independents and republicans are less likely to be greedy, selfish welfare recipients and high school dropouts than democrats who don’t comprehend a successful modern civilization and what is required.

Tax-free income
“Obama’s largest account, valued between $1 million and $5 million, was in the Northern Municipal Money Market Fund. It generated tax-free interest in 2007 of between $15,001 and $50,000.
Northern Trust “has built a well-deserved reputation around being the banker for the überrich,” says Andrew Richards, a Morningstar equity analyst. In a report on the Chicago company’s stock, he writes, “The firm estimates it serves roughly 20% of the richest families profiled annually in the Forbes 400.”
So now the media attacks Palin instead of reporting on Obama’s membership in the Socialist New Party or his tax dodging to avoid spreading his wealth.

Voters please understand this debate is about philosohpy and ideology. Obama was a member and was endorsed by the New Party in Chicago back in the 90′s. Google this info. They were a far-left wing of the Democratic party. Some of you, I am sure, endorse this approach. Fine. But be honest that most americans do not. He is lying about his past and ideology to make a majority of Americans vote for him.

A look at this link will show the future with Barack Obama and Colin Powell as an adviser.
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

Take a look at one program we know is socialism: Social Security.
Post-bailout, Hugo Chavez is saying Bush is to the left of him now.
And if you look at the Congress vote, it’s by and large the DEMOCRATS who are voting with Bush now despite all their lip service about wanting him out of office. He’s been setting them up with ally-oops even after a lot of republicans crossed the aisle believing their claims that they would help exert checks and balances. But now look where we’re at. A so-called Democrat Congress is voting against our civil liberties left and right. Obama wants to declare mission accomplished in Iraq but move all that war and more over to Afghanistan. He, the Democrat of all people, doesn’t seem to care much about civil liberties the way he’s voted on the wiretap bill. Neoconservative republicans are the old liberals. And the new liberals are the old socialists.
In this climate, there is only so much the pot can do to call the kettle black. I have no idea how Palin got the VP nod, but kudos to her for trying to say something. She seems to know the concerns of the working man more than any of the other men there.
Wake up America. Let’s face it, next time around we all need to get behind someone with a clean voting record in the primaries. Watch places like DownsizeDC.org for clues. Either way this election goes we’re still headed in the direction of more people taking from the system than putting in, even if the people taking are slightly different, that’s still the tipping point.
When we, by our non-action, allow the garden of government to become overgrown with weeds, we have large numbers of people depending on a government feeding tube that won’t work forever, people suffer when it inevitably breaks. That’s what’s going to happen to people on Social Security and all the other quasi-socialist programs at some point if we don’t all start waking up IN THE PRIMARIES and pushing for intellectual honesty in both parties to address the issues. It’s not saying we don’t do something about the situation. Let’s take care of our elderly by realizing the current approach isn’t working and gradually moving back to the freedom formula where people can care for other people directly to alleviate poverty. It’s certainly not capitalism’s fault that social security is going to fail, but it could certainly be socialism’s fault that honest businesses fail when the parasite starts sucking too much life out of the host. It’s un-American to take purchasing power away from someone who still believes in an honest days work for an honest day’s pay who has scrimped and saved and can barely afford his property taxes or is on a fixed income — but that is what way too many special-interest funded politicians from both party seem intent on doing.

I have a few questions that I would like to have answered by Senator Obama:
1.) Who is Barack J. Obama?
2.) Who is Barack H. Obama?
3.) Why is Barack J. Obama listed as an Illinois Senator from the 13th District (Cook County) in 2000?
4.) Why is Barack H. Obama listed as an Illinois Senator from the 13th District (Cook County) in 2001?
5.) We know the middle initial ‘H’ expands to Hussein, but what did the initial ‘J’ expand to?
6.) Changing your name from Barack (Barak) J. Obama to Barack Hussein Obama and using your full middle name as though it was MEANT to be noticed, is somewhat unusual, unless you had used the initial J. in the same way. So, did you use the initial J. in the same way as you have used the initial H.? If not, then why not?
7.) Were these two different names used for some LEGAL reason, and, if so, what was that reason?
8.) Was the change of name from Barack (Barak) J. Obama to Barack H(ussein). Obama accomplished in a LEGAL procedure involving a U.S. Court? If not, just what is your actual name?
9.) What name is listed on your non-existent “Birth Certificate”? Can you proffer DEFINITIVE PROOF, in the form of a genuine Birth Certificate containing the raised seal of a LEGAL government of any courtry, state, or territory?
10.) If your name at birth officially was Barack (Barak) H(ussein) Obama, then why do you appear as Barack J. Obama in the Illinois Senate Listing containing the link leading to YOUR HOME PAGE? See: Google.com/searc2001.html.
11.) Please answer these questions personally, honestly, and in written form, and not through some paid or unpaid campaign spokesperson.
12.) Thank you in advance for your cooperation and prompt response

To Alexandra: Please note that my post was above the Patriot name…I wouldn’t write the nonsense that “‘will the media’…blah, blah, blah” wrote.
To add to my post, the Dems have been in control of one branch of government for 2 years. It took 8 years to sew the seeds of this financial situation, and the republicans were paid off to kill democratic legislation for turning this mess around.

WHY NO COMMENTS ON MCCAIN TAXING MY HEALTHCARE The way I see it I already get money taken out of my salary for my Benifits, now Mccain will tax me on this like Income so now with Mccain taxing me I Will see more of a DECREASE in my Salary Am I right?

Right. Get ‘em, Sarah! Tell people who the socialist is here.
For instance, Obama wants to nationalize banks!
What? Already done? Under a Republican Administration? Okay, scrap that one.
Obama wants to redistribute wealth!
Huh? We’ve had a progressive what rates for how long? Oh, I see.
Well, Obama wants the federal government to buy realestate securities!
Yeah, what? Oh, this administration again, huh? And both candidates supported it?
Damn it, Obama wants the federal government to directly buy your mortgage! Now that’s something the Bush Administration hasn’t done yet.
Huh. Oh… that was McCain? You’re kidding?
Well, I’m not backing that socialist McCain anymore!

DO
You are not answering my Question I would like to know why Mccain is gonna TAX MY HEALTH INSURANCE? He clearly admitted in the debates, he said lets not raise Taxes. but Taxing ones Insurance they recive from their Employer And pay for that out of their Salary IS RASING TAXES NO AM I WRONG?

“To add to my post, the Dems have been in control of one branch of government for 2 years. It took 8 years to sew the seeds of this financial situation, and the republicans were paid off to kill democratic legislation for turning this mess around. ”
LOL post an example. DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN BLOCKING REFORM of Fannie/Freddie because it would hurt their goal of low income and minority home ownership. FANNIE/FREDDIE ARE AT THE ROOT OF THE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS.
Google Fannie Freddie Barney or several other phrases and you can find articles regarding how democrats ARE ON CONGRESSIONAL RECORD saying Fannie/Freddie are fine.
Who was the first bailout? That’s right Fannie/Freddie. Who are the biggest beneficiaries? Dodd, Schumer, Obama, Kerry and Clinton.
THe democrats knew this situation was coming about but refused to acknowledge OVER 17 REQUESTS FROM REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN AND PRESIDENT BUSH TO REGULATE FANNIE/FREDDIE.
Even president clinton in a recent speech blamed it on democrats. THe following are 2 quotes about financial concerns. One from MCCain in 2006 and one from Barney. Tell me who had the better foresight.
McCain – “For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.”
Barney – ”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

Angie,
Oh, right, you do not own a house or is planning on selling a house next year. If you do, Zero will tax your house sales from the current 0% to 38%.

Angie,
In case you are so confused by Zero. No body is going to tax more than what you are already taxed, except that Zero will certainly increase taxes in many fronts that you do not wish to talk about.
Zero calls it a tax cut if you do not increase taxes.

HE SAID NO TAXING ON CAPITAL GAINS !!
Posted by: ANGIE | Oct 20, 2008 10:58:28 AM
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That’s not what he said 6 months, 8 months, 12 months ago. Yes, Change he will if he could get one more vote.

DO
I own 2 houses, and you are a liar Obama is not going to Raise capital gains taxes! But you are still not answering my Question about your canidates purposal TO TAX MY HEALTH INSURANCE stop changing the topic and answer the damn Question already!

DO
Just answer my question please! on Mccains Sneaky Taxing hes gonna do!

“DO
I own 2 houses, and you are a liar Obama is not going to Raise capital gains taxes! But you are still not answering my Question about your canidates purposal TO TAX MY HEALTH INSURANCE stop changing the topic and answer the damn Question already!
Posted by: ANGIE”
Angie maybe you should get to know your candidates positions. OBAMA STATES EVERYWHERE HE WILL RAISE CAPITAL GAINS. If you don’t feel like researching it my last post contains direct quotes from an interview.

LINDANCAROLINA
I have a PA Real Estate License in PA The capital gains here in this state on the sale of your home Is,If you own for five years and have been a resident 2 out of those five years you PAY NO CAPITAL GAINS TAX UNLESS YOU PROFIT OVER 500,000 DOLLARS FROM YOUR SALE THATS PROFIT NET If you did not reside in that home for 2 of the five years and used the home as an Investment property as long as you PROFITED UNDER 500,000 DOLLARS YOU DONT PAY CAPITAL GAINS TAX!

His mother was a communist and his views are Marxist.

To meredithjj:
Obama a dictator? Dictatorship=bigger government? Better go and study government again. A dictator is a SINGLE person making decisions… a big government is not a dictatorship. Better look at your notes from high school.
That is to Sarah Palin too. Look up a word before you accuse someone of it… you could embarrass yourself.
oops. too late.

DO
Still Dont want to Answer my Question on your Canidate taxing Healthcare why?

Why do liberals never want the middle name of Barack Obama mentioned????
It is a FACT that his middle name is Hussein!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did I imply anything else? Nope, sure didn’t.

Yes, Palin invoked the dreaded “socialism” card. Why? Because “spreading the wealth around” is socialism. Wake up people! Obama does want to move toward socialism, and I think his Joe the Plumber moment finally gave the American public the real Obama agenda. It’s one thing to have Social Security, but do we want our economic policy based on socialism? Won’t it squelch the spirit of entrepreneurship of the U.S.? And, can you name one socialist country with lower unemployment than us right now even as we have lost jobs? People that romanticize socialism have never lived under it. My best friend has, and guess what…not too fun, not that many opportunities for wealth creation. Read about yourselves. But, don’t blame Palin for invoking socialism. Obama did that all by himself when talking to Joe.

DO
What are you talking about I just want to Take not give, But I dont think its Right that if a person Pays out of their Salary For their Health Insurance Mccain wants to Tax their Insurance like Income, Is that not like being Double Taxed? Because your Already Paying out For your Insurance thats not Fair!

“they aren’t the types to go to factcheck.org.”
Factcheck.org has been corrupted and is no longer a valid fact checking source. The VP debate where they only list 1 of 6-8 major gaffes and claims by Biden is proof of their impartiality. In the same debate they list EVERY possible questionable statement by Palin.
It’s funny how the media trained everyone to go to these sites and then poison the sites and try thinking they’ve fooled everyone.
They forget there are some people who actually can still think for themselves and don’t rely on a site to make up their opinions for them.

Palin couldn’t tell socialism from communism from capitalism, so why anyone is quoting her is a mystery from me.
People are so dumb they look to her for anything is really pathetic.

It is a FACT that his middle name is Hussein!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did I imply anything else? Nope, sure didn’t.
Posted by: Hussein is infact his middle name | Oct 20, 2008 11:16:45 AM
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You racist warmonger, trying to scare us poor, less-educated people who only knows clinging to guns and God.

Matthew 19:21
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
Acts 4:32-35
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.
34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales
35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.
DAMN SOCIALIST!

Plato said that the greatest danger to a republic is that it will degenerate into a democracy.  That’s what we are approaching today – mob rule – where the mob wants to grant itself goodies without end.

ANGIE,
I have no problem of taxing the hell out of the rich, including you. Just don’t lie to us that not increasing tax is tax cut.

“What’s so wrong with a little socialism? ”
Here ya go:
“Nazism, a short name for National Socialism (German: National socialism), refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich

Angie,
Too bad. Sounded like you are the rich, more than a quarter away from McCain’s 7 houses.
Still, even you are poor, you should still be willing to spread your wealth to help the poorer still.
These are Zero’s ideals taken from Marx’s tombstone.

how can anyone believe this crap she’s spouting? She’s skewing his ideas horribly. Obama wants to give tax cuts to the small businesses. And anyway, why would we want ‘a pitbull with lipstick’ to help run our country? particularly one who can dish it but can’t take it.

It is Incredible how everyone in this forum think of their country and its politicians. America is a dictatorship, it has been after its war of liberation from the English, a two-party system allowing its people to vote for one of the other but in the end there are no major changes in how the country is run. Whoever gets “elected” will continue the american tradition of empire. America is in decadence. The rise and fall of america. It began with W. Bush. All of your arguments in here do not make any sense. A big sand-box.

Nazism is George W.
So if your complaining about that, your 8 years too late.

1st problem: SLP4VP is concerned that under creeping socialism, socialites like Paris Hilton would be running the country. If that were true, I would be concerned as well, but right now I am more scared that SLP4VP has about that much understanding of the situation.
2nd problem: Obama is no Lenin or Trotsky or Mao. Fact of the matter is we have had a socialist streak in the way the US gvmt has been run for decades, in the legacy of FDR and LBJ and now in the legacy of GWB with about a trillion dollars of bailout (or whatever you chose to call it). The issue isnt ‘becoming socialist’ … McC4P has some pretty socialist suggestions with the USA buying houses for folks who cant afford the mortgage and sending our health insurers $5k to pay our premiums for us. The only difference is the partisan spin.
3rd problem: campaigning by assignment of scary labels rather that either understanding or debating the position of the opponent is very simplistic and not designed to attract the thinking person … bad strategy for reaching out to undecided voters and impossible to convert supporters of the opponent.

DO
I am not Wealthy nor Am I Poor. I am In the MIDDLE Thats why I support Obama because he is for the Middleclass you Keep Drinking the Mccain/Palin kool-aid

Over 110k a year and your taxes will go up.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 20, 2008 11:32:31 AM
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On social security tax along: $3000 more.

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Party_(USA)
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N.B. – The New Party was active in the U.S. from 1992-1998. They claimed credit for the election of Barack Obama to the Illinois Senate in 1966.
New Party Principles
The New Party believes that the social, economic, and political progress of the United States requires a democratic revolution in America-the return of power to the people. Democracy in America does not work today. The people do not rule. And they must, if we and our children are to lead lives of dignity, decency, and enjoyment.
Popular democratic organization should be encouraged and strengthened to make this peaceful revolution. Ordinary people can do extraordinary things if they are organized. Our basic purpose-reflected both in our own governance and the aspirations we have for the nation-is to make democracy work for everyone.
Our commitment to democracy comes from recognition of the moral equality of persons. People really are created equal, and their free deliberation is the best hope for achieving the blessings of liberty. The same recognition fuels our commitment to fairness in social life. Such moral irrelevancies as race, gender, age, country of origin or inheritance continue to determine too much of one’s life chances, and this undermines the very idea of a democratic society.
We are saddened and outraged by the present corruption of our public institutions; the deliberate weakening of unions and other popular democratic organizations; the stupid and cruel economic policies that are destroying our cities and communities, increasing inequality, lowering living standards, and wrecking the earth; the special burdens this society still places on women, people of color, and children; the violence it can inflict on the rest of the world.
To promote a rebirth of freedom, equality and prosperity, we dedicate ourselves to the following:
* Full public financing of elections, universal voter registration, proportional representation, free party competition.
* The establishment, defense, and facilitation of worker, consumer, shareholder, and taxpayer rights to democratic self-organization.
* The creation of a sustainable economy based on the responsible and reverent use of our earth’s resources-taking no more than we need, replacing and reusing all that we can.
* A society in which we all take seriously our responsibilities as parents, workers and citizens.
* The democratization of our banking and financial system-including popular election of those charged with public stewardship of our banking system, worker-owner control over their pension assets, community-controlled alternative financial institutions.
* A Bill of Rights for America’s Children, guaranteeing true equality of opportunity, providing equal education for all students, and achieving an adequate standard of health care, nutrition, housing, and safety.
* Community-control and equitable funding of our schools, within which we seek true excellence in public education along with equal opportunity to achieve it.
* Full employment, a shorter work week, and a guaranteed minimum income for all adults; a universal “social wage” to include such basic benefits as health care, child care, vacation time, and lifelong access to education and training; a systematic phase-in of comparable worth and like programs to ensure gender equity.
* A progressive tax system based on the ability to pay.
Rebuilding our cities and metropolitan regions-the cornerstones of a high-wage and ecologically sustainable economy-through community-led programs of comprehensive, democratic, high-wage, and low-waste economic development.
* A community in which residents, neighborhood organizations, businesses, police and local officials work cooperatively as equal partners to provide a safe and secure environment in which to live and work and study.
* A reduction of national military spending to that necessary to the defense of the United States and an end to unilateral military interventions.
* Trade among nations consistent with mutual improvement in living standards, reduced cross-national inequalities, and sustainable development.
* In all aspects of our economy and social life, an absolute bar to discrimination based on race, gender, age, country of origin, and sexual orientation, and absolute security in reproductive rights, fundamental liberties, and privacy.
These are our principles. It will take time and experience to work out the details of sound policies and procedures based upon them, but there is no better time to start than the present. We believe that if we enunciate our principles clearly and firmly, with honesty and no double talk, the New Party will set a new standard for political behavior, and be worthy of the people of these United States.
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ladies&gentelman quit giving excues for either candidate just go and vote.obama biden.

It’s about time we stopped this irrational fear of socialism in America. It has been used again and again to stifle and oppress many good people and good ideas. Western European governments every bit as democratic as the US have had socialist governments and they have not become totalitarian states. Socialists have backed policies that promote economic equality and redistribution of wealth and if that is socialist, well America is partly socialist today! Is it that crazy to support a viewpoint that sees capitalism as tending to inequality and injustices that need to be addressed without overthrowing the capitalist economic system? (The latter would be closer to communism rather socialism, which fear mongers often lump together). Especially today, with the financial crisis threatenign to spark another 1930s depresssion what sane person will not admit that the “free-market” system has serious problems and that a dose of socialism has been and continues to be able to deal with in many very successful countries?
Isn’t it time we exorcised the socialist demon in America? And I mean we stop being afraid of these labels and all their scary connotations and ask what is actually being proposed? Once America is freed of its irrational fear, a wider spectrum of opinion will hopefully emerge and we can finally have a real dialogue on the various sensible approaches to dealign with our imperfect system. Let’s make socialism a respectable word so that no one can dismiss it off hand and use it to scare people again.
professor funky

Another Rick Davis breakthrough in campaign “Truth in Labeling”.
Sadly, unlike Hillary, who was trying to break through the ‘glass ceiling’, Rick Davis is trying to break through the latrine floor.
John, Sarah … this guy (or somebody else in the campaign) is taking you down the wrong path. Concentrate on the real issues and what makes your answers are better … and quit wasting time trying to play ‘pin the label on the donkey’

Sarah Palin- since you don’t seem to understand the meaning of the term socialism – please read the following from the Webster Dictionary:
socialism -n- Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
Sounds like to me Alaska already qualifies as being socialist thanks to the Big Oil Companies.

For more than thirty years the Repubs have used the tax structure to pick the pockets of working people in order to give money to rich folks who hadn’t even asked for it. Obama wants to restructure taxes to reverse that. It’s what he means by spreading the wealth.
That’s not socialism. It’s going back to what we had before, back when working people earned enough — and got to keep enough — to actually live on.
It’s hard to believe working people could be deluded into thinking Obama’s tax plan would hurt them, but the past thirty years show that some of them, if not many of them, can be talked into anything.
Wise up.

Let’s see….
Taxes are mainly shouldered by the American working middle class.
So if we were to redistribute the tax burden from the middle class to those who make(after deductions) more than $250,000, and thereby “redistribute the wealth” we are becoming socialists?
The term socialism has no bearing in the redistribution of the tax burden.
It’s just a SCARY word.
You know if the folks making more than $250,000 (after deductions) paid a bit more, maybe the education system could be improved so that the fear mongers would have a lesser effect when the use their scary words.
Oh, but maybe that’s why they are railing so strongly against this plan, they need to appeal to fear.

“So if we were to redistribute the tax burden from the middle class to those who make(after deductions) more than $250,000, and thereby “redistribute the wealth” we are becoming socialists?”
Actually if you make over 110k a year your wealth will be redistributed.

“You know if the folks making more than $250,000 (after deductions) paid a bit more, maybe the education system could be improved so that the fear mongers would have a lesser effect when the use their scary words.”
Throwing money at the educational system hasn’t worked so far. Look at what Ayers and Obama did while they chaired the Annenburg Challenge. They blew $49 million on education with no measurable results.

Hey, Don’t kill the messenger, Palin is just telling it like it is.
The Truth Hurts.

please go away now. yer fame is over.

In case you have question what Socialism is:
Socialists complain that capitalism necessarily leads to unfair and exploitative concentrations of wealth and power in the hands of the relative few who emerge victorious from free-market competition.
Because such people are rich, they may choose where and how to live, and their choices in turn limit the options of the poor.
As a result, terms such as “individual freedom” and “equality of opportunity” may be meaningful for capitalists but can only ring hollow for working people, who must do the capitalists’ bidding if they are to survive.
As socialists see it, true freedom and true equality require social control of the resources that provide the basis for prosperity in any society.
Spreading wealth can do a lot of good things to society according to a true Socialist.

You are right, socialism has nothing to do with redistributing wealth. That is called COMMUNISM. Socialism is what the feds just did by taking over banks, what they did when they took over housing lenders, what they do when they create government entities to handle what should be private market affairs.
Angie, the tax on healthcare is already taking place, what you don’t have is the tax credit, you as an individual are not eligible for it only a company is. McCain proposes to tax the healthcare yes, but then to give you what you currently don’t have, a refundable tax credit for healthcare coverage so you can purchase your own, something not available right now. This frees people up in so many ways. If someone wants to look for a better job they can and not have to worry about loosing their health coverage because they will have the ability to purchase their own. Freedom in the job market will move this economy like a freight train, but the health care benefits through work as it currently is locks folks into a job they would have dropped for better opportunities for fear of loosing that coverage for even 90 short days. Its enslavement of the work force via health care. I myself have found myself caught in it when my wife got pregnant. The place I was working for decided to not give us any raise after working for a year, we “might” get a raise after our next full year. Our benefits come to find out covered my wife but they refused to cover my child at birth. So we still got whacked with almost $8k in bills. With McCains plan I could have insured my wife and not myself (which I am more than willing to do but can’t under the current workplace only system) and mitigated the majority of those expenses.
Does that answer your questions Angie?
Professor funky… The EU exists today because socialism was BANKRUPTING all of those western european countries. Also, most of those western european countries have double digit unemployment percentage rates. So once again Socialism FAILS, and does so EVERY TIME IT IS TRIED!!!

We sing the praises of freedom in the good old United States, but freedom doesn’t mean what it once meant. It used to mean personal autonomy, and self-ownership, but now it means little more than the vote. Don’t get me wrong: picking officeholders by voting is better than picking them by shooting. But if freedom is identified solely with casting one out of a hundred million votes for president, the Founding Fathers must be weeping.

Don’t you think that the people with the money have had comforts for way to long? This was a long way coming, it is in fact time to spread the wealth..if this is socialism than what is the opposite called? Let’s give all the money to the rich?
Please, it is time for the ignorants and the money hungry (i.e. Bush) to shut their pipe holes and let others live a life without worrying about how they are going to feed and educate their children.

“Isn’t it time we exorcised the socialist demon in America? And I mean we stop being afraid of these labels and all their scary connotations and ask what is actually being proposed? Once America is freed of its irrational fear, a wider spectrum of opinion will hopefully emerge and we can finally have a real dialogue on the various sensible approaches to dealign with our imperfect system. Let’s make socialism a respectable word so that no one can dismiss it off hand and use it to scare people again.
professor funky”
Yay more psychobabble. Socialism is viable in a vacuum such as in academia but doesn’t pan out in real life. It only works if you ignore things like human nature and human history.
Capitalism is responsible for the biggest increase in standard of living in history. Forms of socialism have been used throughout history and have failed time and time and time again. They stifle innovation and hard work and make a country dirt poor in the end. If I had the same quality of life working at a gas station as my current job you better believe I would go work at the gas station. Why would I be a slave to ignorant people that can’t think past anything that involves eating, sleeping, partying and having kids?
Oh and your example of western europe is a poor one. Socialism worked there with homogenous populations but now that they are seeing problems from immigration they are becoming more and more conservative. The EU tried absorbing the impact by bringing in lower cost labor from Eastern Europe but european socialism is falling.

“Please, it is time for the ignorants and the money hungry (i.e. Bush) to shut their pipe holes and let others live a life without worrying about how they are going to feed and educate their children.
Posted by: Ron”
Statements like this can only be made naively in an economy like ours where we are living off the infrastructure built by previous generations.
Working a mindless deadend job and having no education means you’re not pulling your own weight in an economy; much less your kids. You should have to worry about paying your bills; its something called motivation without which a large percentage of people would do nothing.
If society isn’t how it was the people not trying to do anything would starve and die. That is the hard reality. Without the infrastructure you wouldn’t be able to force other people to gather firewood, hunt for you, build your shelter, etc.

Socialism. Every last bit of it. You can’t tax the “Rich” without having a direct impact on the “Poor.” If you do expect more tax shelters and strategies to avoid paying another dime. Jobs will be lost. Both sides overspend, but and Obama/Reid/Pelosi camp will be the end of the USA and the beginning of the USSA. I guess it only took us ~225 years to destroy the thinking that built this country. Congratulations to everyone for not thinking and allowing it to happen. So a Plumber asks a question and is attacked for it? You all need to go look in the mirror.
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” — Thomas Jefferson
“When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” – Benjamin Franklin
“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” – Winston Churchill

Excellent post and quotes kingpablo. It really is sad that a large percentage of americans fail to see the principles that have made america strong and have raised the quality of life around the world.
I guess socialists can look at all the 3rd world armpit socialist countries and countries that were successful, adopted socialism, and went down the tubes and convince themselves that socialism isn’t the cause. However people with intelligence realize the downward spiral trap of socialism and the class warfare appeal used to turn free people into citizen subjects and believe they are actually gaining freedom rather than losing it.

I cannot understand the rationale for (quoted from other source) news like these:
“… McCain on Sunday renewed his condemnation of Obama’s economic policies as “socialism” and warned a rally in Toledo in the key swing state of Ohio that Obama planned to “redistribute wealth” to the “more than 40 percent of Americans” who are too poor to pay income taxes….”
What’s wrong to help the low income people??
Don’t American know that their capitalism is already broken and fail miserably ?? Look at China’s financial balance and compare it to the US. China use socialism and they have huge plus financial reserve and development.
So what’s wrong with socialism?? I am Indonesian, and as most Asians and Europeans, I cannot understand America. Asian and European see socialism as a balancing of capitalism.
America, the great capitalist nation is already fallen so deep, that fact I know.
We are following American capitalism style right now, complete with its stock market and other free market capitalism , which is BUSTING right in front of our eyes!
So what are your next dreaming about capitalism??? a tale of failure ??
What are you wishing of war and police-ing the other nations like mcPalin insists ?? Bush created the great drama of war, the war reason to drain your money, then Bush et al got the tax money you pay, give it to their war suppliers and oil companies !! You have been sucked up, dried up by your elites, republicans sucking the wealth from common people, give it up to the elites and the rich, using the reason of war,
but which now their capitalist system crumbled !!
so pity Americans, they think they have a good christians leaders, but instead they have war mongers, blatant hypocrites like mcPain-six-pack. they make a horrible name for their faith!!!

Due to the attitudes and posts from people like Pendum my feeling is the first thing the US should do is stop ALL foreign subsidies, assistance etc and focus on ourselves first like China does. Make an exception for countries that are actually our allies.
If Indonesia has a typhoon or other natural disaster they can simply beg China while their people die by the millions.
I say we grant the courtesy to other countries that they grant to us. How much assistance did we get for Katrina, Ike, etc? I say give what we get especially for countries that bash the US. They’re the first to criticize us and also the first to come begging for help when their armpit of a country can’t handle emergencies.
However Obama’s endorsement of the Global Poverty Act goes to show he thinks we should double to triple our payments to these other countries. I see let them rot in their own ignorance and socialist governments.

Why I am voting Democrat!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending MY MONEY than I would. I think when you spread the wealth around it is good for everybody! It’s Patriotic!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. All profits are evil and should be confiscated for Government Redistribution.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that MORE Government regulations and higher taxes on Business will stop Business from exporting their jobs to Countries with LESS Government regulations and lower taxes.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe terrorists should be allowed to have trials in American courts. And be able to subpoena top secret documents, soldiers, government officials, etc. to cross examine for their defense. They should have ACLU lawyers who can help intimidate Americans who serve on the juries!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe Gay Marriage should be the law of the land and will probably produce better children.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe English should not be the official language of the United States. I don’t mind pushing one for English when I use the phone.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe partial birth abortion is okay but water boarding a terrorist is disgusting.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe having a domestic terrorist like Bill Ayers as a close friend is a good thing. It allows for great relations with foreign terrorists.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe in a FREE government health care system. I believe doctors, nurses, hospitals, drug companies, etc. will gladly donate their time, products, services, facilities, etc. for FREE and that will be a better system.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe in and support trial lawyers, frivolous lawsuits and outrageous jury verdicts.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe 9/11 was an inside job to con the American people to go to war for oil.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe social security is solvent and that there is a social security lock box and I don’t believe social security is a Ponzi scheme.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe MOST AMERICANS are bitter and cling to their guns and religion. Let’s rid our country of guns and religion!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe illegal aliens deserve all the rights of ordinary Americans plus some additional rights Americans do not have.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe corporations should pay higher taxes! I believe higher taxes on business will make the price of their products and services LESS EXPENSIVE.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe groups like ACORN who register felons, drug addicts, wino’s, homeless drifters, illegal aliens, dead people, children, fictional Disney characters, etc. makes my vote count more.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe celebrating the winter solstice shows compassion for the small minority of people that do not celebrate Christmas.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe hard core criminal murders and rapists deserve life and that the innocent unborn deserve death. It’s a choice I can live with.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe Bush caused Hurricane Katrina and he blew-up the levies in the ninth ward of New Orleans.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that any one who is not partaking in one of the many wonderful government programs obviously has too much money and should pay higher taxes.
I’m voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq the terrorists will be happy and now think of us as good people.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe our soldiers are AIR RAIDING villages and killing innocent people.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe sex in the Oval Office with an intern is a private matter and that everybody lies under oath about sex.
I’m votin Demokrat becuse I wus edumkated at a publick sckrool. I lik da Natsionel Edukatshun Assoseeashun!
I’m voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as it does not offend people. Can’t we all just get along?
I’m voting Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits are wrong. I believe higher taxes on oil companies will produce lower prices at the pump.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe we need to rid ourselves of dependency on foreign oil, BUT I AM AGAINST offshore drilling for oil and natural gas, drilling in Anwar, building nuclear power plants and clean coal technology.
And finally, I’m voting Democrat because I believe Reverend Wright when he said “GODDAMN AMERICA” and “OUR CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST”. Hey let’s make a comfortable nest for those chickens!
Why are you voting Democrat?

Palin should get her facts straight. The USA already has a program that gives tax credits to working people who do not earn enough to pay income taxes. It’s called the Earned Income Tax Credit and it has enjoyed bi-partisan support since it Congress passed and President Ford signed legislation in 1975. And please don’t tell me Ford was a socialist.

“Palin should get her facts straight. The USA already has a program that gives tax credits to working people who do not earn enough to pay income taxes. It’s called the Earned Income Tax Credit and it has enjoyed bi-partisan support since it Congress passed and President Ford signed legislation in 1975. And please don’t tell me Ford was a socialist.
Posted by: Mr. B”
Yes but Obama is looking at expanding credits to fully refundable by thousands of dollars; not the limited number of credits that are refundable now.
Obama’s plans include NO tax rate cuts just welfare credits. Go to taxfoundation.org they have some good comparisons.

Has anyone considered this?
McCain accuses Obama of socialism, even though his own health care tax credit ($2,500 refundable tax credit for individuals, $5,000 for families ) is refundable–and therefore a distribution of wealth downward…Of course, McCain has been on the record for months–years, actually–in favor of redistributing wealth…upward, toward the wealthy, on the theory that it will “trickle down.”

Truth is both these candidates are bad, but lets face it, I rather take the lesser of both evils, and that is why i vote McCain. Obama scares me. The man talks about all his change and programs, but this guy hasn’t done a single thing as a Senator, but thinks that by becoming President he can change the world.
I strongly believe that many Obama groupies are publicly cheering Obama on, but come election day, behind those closed curtains, people will vote the other way. It’s the cool thing to jump on the Obama wagon.

Texas starts early voting today and I will proudly cast my vote for OBAMA/BIDEN.. Due to McCain’s negative campaign. picking of an uneducated vice president pick in Sarah Palin. he doesn’t deserve to be president of this great nation. He was trying to use politics (women’s vote), instead of worrying about who would lead this country on Day1. If he had a heart attack or something and she became our President= God Forbid. She would confuse the UN leaders and they wouldn’t know what the heck she was talking about! She has WORSE grammar than any 4th grader I’ve ever met. ……General Colin Powell made the best decision he’ll ever make…

“Socialism has failed countless times throughout history so your argument is pretty bad. FYI if it wasn’t from the advancements as offshoots of capitalism people from your country would be dying in the millions from preventable diseases.”
I know that without capitalism, the world cannot develop as we see today.
But now we see the acute problem of bubbling capitalism.
So, maybe it is the time to use a little socialism as a balancing, a control, to give a limit to the greedy, to tame the wild, to become more social minded … “to spread the wealth around.”
hey, I always admire the great American people. My brother is US green-card citizen immigrant! if your stock market falls, then so it happen in our stock market. If your economy fail, then our economy also. We are closely interconnected, this discussion prove it. Obama’s message at Berlin was very true. Never vote for 72 year archaic generation man who can talk only about war. Anyway, he cannot use computer or internet, so it is safe. ha!!

For all of you who are so afraid of “spreading the wealth” downward for a change:
Does anyone remember a history lesson about a small minority of people at the top enjoying the benefits of the majority of the wealth, while those below them didn’t have jobs that would provide a decent living? It was called the French Revolution, and we all know how THAT turned out!
And when the middle class complains about the price of bread, the Neocons cry “Let them eat cake!”
Keep it up, you trickle down geniuses! There will come a time when the masses will rise up and refuse to take it anymore.
Can anyone say “Socialism for the rich”? Can you also hear the people crying “Off with their heads”?

Do we really want this woman (twit) anywhere near the White House? All the things that I have heard her say since the day she was put on the ticket is ZERO.
Neither she or McCann have any intention to help the working class of this nation. Her idea of foreign policy is to stand on the Alaskian coastline in the hope that a Russian citizen appears so that she can wink and wave. Does she honestly believe that shaking hands with the Heads of State will give her the knowledge to handle a major crisis? I, for one, will not put my fate or that of my family in either her’s or McCann’s hands. They make nothing but negative ads for TV because they can not come up with plans of any type to help this country. PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE

Why would Sarah Palin refuse to release her medical records everyone else has?

Kristina,
Don’t apologize. You didn’t sound angry. You just sounded uninformed. I assume that you, like the Bushes, were born with a silver foot in your mouth. Glad that you have never had to try to pay all your bills and taxes on a middle income (or lower) job. Let’s hope you never have to, because you probably couldn’t do it.

The bailout of the banks with the government’s vested interest in the deal is socialism. Palin does not understand what the term socialism is. McCain voted for socialism when he temporary suspended his campaign to lobby and then vote for the deal. The media should ask her what she thinks socialism means, and i betcha that she would not know. She is only a talking head.

As his Marxist mentors, friends and relatives, Obama is a MARXIST who HATES the U.S. and will work with terrorists and Islamics to destroy us. There is PROOF that Obama used his elected office—and taxpayers’ dollars—to support Kenya’s Odinga, “Your Agent for Change,” a violent Marxist thug who made a pact with the Muslims to institute Sharia (Islamic law). Odinga’s followers killed some 1000 people and burned 800 Christian churches, including one with 50 people, many of them children children.
Obama’s campaign strategies, promises and slogans (CHANGE and YES WE CAN, etc.) are almost identical to those of other Marxists (Odinga of Kenya, Chávez of Venezuela, Morales of Bolivia, and Correa of Ecuador).
It seems many Americans are just as clueless as the most ignorant Venezuelans, Bolivians and Ecuadorians who believed in CHANGE and YES WE CAN. Now they see that CHANGE means change toward Marxism and greater poverty and corruption. And YES WE CAN means Marxists like Obama, Odinga, Castro, Chávez, and other Marxists CAN fool people.

i smell fear; mccain is engendering fear any way he can and you idiots are buying all of it. “kill the terrorist!” “osama obama!” “soviet take over!” “red scare!” i’m appalled anyone buys any of this. socialism?! obama has a clear change of policy from the deregulation that drove us into this mess, we need change, the current model is hurting us.

Norm,
Haven’t you heard? More and more US companies have ALREADY moved their operations off-shore to shelter their wealth from their FAIR share of taxes! Where have you been?

Jacob and Mom from Michigan,
Well said. Thank you.

McCain supporters,
Can any of you answer a simple question for me without mentioning anyone but John McCain?
The question is: What, specifically, is McCain’s plan for the next 4 years?

Norm,
One other question for you. You say “trickle down works”. For whom? Can you give me a specific example of where the trickle down theories of Reaganomics have worked?

“Every business tries to evade taxes because that’s an expense and it takes away from profit ….”
Is that why businesses also have been in such staunch opposition to increases in the minimum wage to a living wage, to the rights of workers to unionize, and to providing affordable, worthwhile health plans for their workers?

Thank you, Norm.
You are the first McCain supporter who has even attempted to enunciate McCain’s plan.

Sarah Palin and some of the responders to this column appear to be not well informed about what socialism is. Obama is a centre/centre left politician and a far cry from being socialist. He is pragmatic and not an ideologue. In every western government there is a redistribution of wealth (how do you think the garbage men, teachers, police, the miliary and fire fighters get paid? How do roads get built and schools funded?). This is wealth redistribution—not socialism. Social democracy means government takes an active interest in the welfare of its people. That is NOT socialism. Joe the Plumber ownes back taxes; he lied about being a plumber and he has no idea what the word socialism means. Nor does he appear to care about the common good of this country. When I was a kid the bad word to be called was “kuddies” but that was when I was 8 years old. Now as adults the bad word is socialist(it used to be “liberal”). Really now, lets grow up and stop calling people ridiculous names and get back to telling us how you want to get us out of the mess Bush got us into.

Thank you, also, to “&”,
You are only the second McCain supporter who has been able to answer my questions. I will consider what you and Norm have said as I make my decision. It is refreshing to hear concrete statements that are not based solely on FEAR and HATE. Thanks for taking the time to answer my query.

NV-sparkle, it’s called the fair tax and there’s a book about it, go buy it and read it. I have long thought our tax system is broken, but you will not find ANY politicians today who want to change it because it is being and has been used to promote class warfare and they get to keep power as long as they string us along.
Trickle down works in the following manner, business gets tax breaks, lower taxes, what have you. Ambition business men take the benefit and use it. Improving facilities, expanding business, upgrading technology, in order to make even more profit. If there is no government to cradle them business will make decisions necessary to grow and make profit. If business detects government saftey nets they will make decisions more risky expecting the government then to come bail them out. Trickle down has worked all over the world all of the time. Business owner becomes successful in one business, opens up another one, then another, thereby employing more people allowing more to make money and contribute and advance. Give business owner the capital and profit and he will work to succeed which will create more income for america and those farther down the ladder. Just can’t give them a government cushion or net to fall back on or they get lazy and we end up with the mess we have now. Trickle down doesn’t work when you mix socialism into the pot.

I have been largely undecided on which way I would vote. I’ve tried to keep an open mind and listen to all arguments (i’ve done extensive research on both candidates, and i’m not limited to just this chat room :)!)
Based on my humble opinion, I think….drumb roll please…..
McCain has the experience and plan to put us into the best position for turning our economy around.

Paul: this mess is not Bush’s fault, it was started 60 yrs ago, was sped up 30 years ago and bloomed on Bush’s watch. He didn’t do anything meaningful to prevent it and infact helped contribute but it was coming anyway. Economies as large as ours take a long time to move about. The idea that in 8 short years an economy spanning trillions of dollars can be manipulated quickly and easily is ignorance in action. Obama is a socialist communist who’s only plan is to provide a GOVERNMENT program for anything that he thinks is wrong with america. As if government could solve anything efficiently.(see any dmv line) That is socialism. Communism is taking money from those who earn it and giving it to those who don’t. Redistributing wealth, windfall profits, (no such thing as a windfall profit, profits are made because the demand is so high) taking money from legitimate business that is successful and giving it to those who are less or even not successful who have not earned it. Life isn’t “fair”, you reap what you sow, good or bad, the successful keep going despite the bad.
Unions were around when manufacturing as we know it today was new and people didn’t know how to treat workers. Now we know better, but unions today are outdated and do not work for the worker they work for their own power other wise they would not make demands on business that drives said business into the ground. see american automotive manufacturers, teachers, and airline industry failures… this is a direct result of unions today. Back then they were necessary to day they are a hinderance to progress and quality.

NV-Sparkle: read “The Law” by Frederick Bastiat. It will be very illuminating when you view government and how it should run, what it should do and take part in. Oh, and it was written in the early 1800′s. Knowing that will help you in a few references to slavery which we still had at that time.

Norm,
What makes you think that businesses today are treating their workers properly? Many folks are still working in dangerous conditions and don’t make a living wage. What has changed for them? Oh, yeah. The company has gotten bigger, and profits have increased, and the worker’s family still has to make do with what little they can afford, or do without if anything happens to that worker. I agree that the labor unions as we knew them, got too big for their britches. But, workers still need some means of getting a fair shake from the businesses that exploit them.

When Biden says President Biden, I think Bay of Pigs,Cuban Missile crisis, and Vietnam turning sour. Young cocky president having to show the world he has big enough balls makes us all nuclear fall-out.

Obama is NOT a socialist…
he is a small r ‘republican’ and Aristotelian, who favors a strong middle class, and believes a strong middle class is necessary to a functioning, successful democracy.
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Aristotle: The Polis, from Politics -
1. The Polis as the highest good
“Every State is a community of some kind, and every community is established with a view to some good; for mankind always act in order to obtain that which they think good.”
…
DEMOCRACY IS THE BEST FORM OF GOVERNMENT
“Now in all states there are three elements: one class is very rich, another very poor, and a third in a mean.”
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ON THE DANGERS OF GREAT POVERTY & GREAT WEALTH TO A DEMOCRACY
“Again, those who have too much of the goods of fortune, strength, wealth, friends, and the like, are neither willing nor able to submit to authority.
The evil begins at home; for when they are boys, by reason of the luxury in which they are brought up, they never learn, even at school, the habit of obedience.
On the other hand, the very poor, who are in the opposite extreme, are too degraded.
So that the one class [the rich] cannot obey, and can only rule despotically; the other knows not how to command and must be ruled like slaves [the poor].
Thus arises a city, not of freemen, but of MASTER & SLAVES , the one despising, the other envying; and nothing can be more fatal to friendship and good fellowship in states than this: for good fellowship springs from friendship; when men are at enmity with one another, they would rather not even share the same path.
But a city ought to be composed, as far as possible, of equals and similars; and these are generally THE MIDDLE CLASSES.
Wherefore the city which is composed of middle-class citizens is necessarily best constituted in respect of the elements of which we say the fabric of the state naturally consists. And this is the class of citizens which is most secure in a state, for they do not, like the poor, covet their neighbors’ goods; nor do others covet theirs, as the poor covet the goods of the rich; and as they neither plot against others, nor are themselves plotted against, they pass through life safely.
Wisely then did Phocylides pray- ‘Many things are best in the mean; I desire to be of a middle condition in my city.’

here is a few questions for the OBOMERS!!!!
how did he afford Yale if he was so poor he lived from Food Stamps as a child?
why does he feel our “culture” is not important?
our history can not be re written no matter how hard you try. we are a nation of relegion. Why do we allow the ACLU and others to remove our Ten Comandments and Pledge of Allegiance from our courthouse and schools… this is our history,, no one can deny that!!!
does he know the words of the Pledge of AAllegiance/
Why does he proclaim himself as one of the poor black men when he has no idea what being poor is like… again the food stamps story is bull… he never had to live of them even if she recieved them….he father or communist friends has always taking care of him..(YALE)
Why is he against the war? he stated he does not approve of ethinic cleaning..what the hell was Saddam doing?
has he ever fired a weapon?
has he ever work a job that requires him to use his hands? hand shaking and pleasuring doesnt count!!!
he is so weathly why does he want to be president anyway?
why dont he spead his campain wealth with me? my income is WAY LESS than his… i could retire and live GREAT on just 1/3 of his spending…
lastly,, how could you possible vote for a man with his muddy past.. are you nreally willing to take that risk..
the best way to defeat is from the inside…
someone has paved his road for him for some reason……..
GOD BLESS THE US.
DRUG TEST THE WELFARE POEPLE MONTHLY!!!

MI-wake up, All you have to do is look at the Cuban revolution, and Chavez. Chavez ran on a platform of change on equality, and working with the other party. Venezuela was a Democratic country before Chavez, he got elected, then it turned to a socialist society, explain that, same with Cuba. It’s funny how Ayers has ties to Chavez and Cuba, and his best political friend is Obama, wake up Michigan!

Posted by: & | Oct 20, 2008 5:31:21 PM
You shouldn’t bring up Chavez.
Gov. Palin is closer to Chavez than any other politician who has ever run for high office in this country.
Like Chavez, she raised taxes on oil companies, she then REDISTRIBUTED this money in the form of direct payments to the citizens of Alaska.
If anyone is a socialist, it is Sarah Pailn!

Obama did not say he favored taking from the rich and “spreading the wealth around”, he said he believes the entire economy will do better if the middle classes and the working poor are left with a little more of their OWN hard-earned money to spend.

As far as Obama’s tax policies are concerned.
You can only say he is “raising” taxes, because Bush & his cronies lowered them to the point that the country has not been paying for what it spends.
Obama is only arguing that we should RESTORE taxes to the more reasonable, and responsible levels that applied under President Ronald Reagan, the original tax-cutter.
A tax-rate that was good enough for President Ronald Reagan should be good enough for any patriotic American.

Posted by: MONKEY HOUSE | Oct 20, 2008 5:48:49 PM
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Right…keep it up, you’ll just push more moderate Republicans and independents into the arms ofo the Democratic party. LOL

Chiavelli, don’t tell me to not bring up Chavez, you sound like socialist/communist Chavez and Castro. You bringing up taxes raised on big oil is pathetic! What exactly is your point? You’re evidently voting Obama, which is going to do the same on taxes on big oil with gov. hand-outs. All she did is get more revenue into Alaska and helped it’s citizens through tax breaks and incentives that would help with bills and create jobs at the same time. She did not tax Corporations as a whole in Alaska, only big Oil, what don’t you understand about that. Tax breaks come from Republicans and Democrats, but who actually creates the jobs, Republicans. Clinton only had prosperity in his administration through the technology boom, and not from Bill and Al, but Steve Jobs and Bill Gates! If we did not have this boom then, it would have been worse, and what happened at the end of the Clinton Administration, a collapse of the market and job creation.

Posted by: & | Oct 20, 2008 5:51:23 PM
As to the rest of your argument, forgive me, but I can’t make sense of it.
Your blaming Clinton for the collapse of the market and the collapse of job creation that occured some eight years AFTER he left office? You’re blaming the Democrats for the sorry state the current recession, the current government deficit, the current high levels of foreign debt, the current bail-out of Wall Street – all events that occurred during the Republican watch, when Republicans more or less had complete control of government?

Posted by: & | Oct 20, 2008 6:00:15 PM
The ONLY big business in Alaska IS Big Oil.
Palin went after – raised taxes and distribute the wealth – based on the only game in town.
By your definition, that makes her a socialist, just like Hugo Chavez.

Posted by: & | Oct 20, 2008 6:00:15 PM
Palin is a socialist if by socialist you mean a politician who raises taxes on large, private corporations and then redistributes tax revenues as direct payments to citizens.
By this same definition, Obama IS NOT a socialist.
He wants to give citizens tax breaks. He does not want to raise taxes and redistribute the raised revenues.
And as far as his tax-rates are concerned, he only wants to RESTORE tax rates to the levels that applied under Ronald Reagan, the original tax-cutter.
Not very radical!
Are you now arguing that Ronald Reagan was a socialist?

Obama did say he wanted to spread the wealth.
That IS socialism.
Barack Hussein Obama, wrong on socialism, wrong for this nation.
Posted by: Liberals will follow him over cliff
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“From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”
Carl Marx.
Hmmm, it sounds faniliar…
just like That One!

Give me a break, the fishing industry is bigger in Alaska than any other big business. Now if you wanna talk about profit, Palin was Gov. when big oil started making the obscene profit the last 4yrs., which is what that comes from(her actions). You defending Chavez just shows your own backing for Obama and socialism. Palin is a Conservative Republican, and you wanna call her a socialist, LOL! She never dictated no matter what you say or think, and Chavez is a dictator, and his best comrade is Castro, give me a break!

You voted for McCain in the 2008 primaries, and now you are voting Obama for President, that raises questions of personal judgement. How is Obama any different from then to now, to make you change your position of candidate if you choose McCain in the primaries?! What happend, and don’t tell me it’s a one time tax rebate check!

They were calling Obama a Marxist on the McGlauflin Report last night, even close associates of Obama say he is a Marxist..He will be defeated, he will not get the chance to destroy America
Posted by: common sense
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Yes, indeed! Marxist Obama will destroy America…
We will never allow America to become the land of Obama’s “USA: The New Communist Experiment”.
“American Union” (as in Soviet Union) our land shall never be.
Obama can take his “Ayers & Co”. community organizing experience and go to Russia… to organize some Siberian Gulags!
This presentation is a must watch for the left-wing-liberal media clowns and all “morally sound” American fellows.
A VIDEO PORTRAIT OF BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036
AMERICA THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE

Chiavelli, and jobs are created from those you stated.

Chiavelli, and what profit do you usually look at? Gross or Net? A company is always hiring and giving raises, even in benefits, along with company research for future business opportunities. Higher taxes would not benefit anybody other than government, which also means they have more control of redistribution, which creates socialism.

Chiavelli, only on oil, what don’t you understand.

Natasha,
here is a website for ya: http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=72686
President Obama! Get used to it!

Posted by: & | Oct 20, 2008 6:30:23 PM
“only on oil”
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I understand that she only raised taxes on oil. That doesn’t make her any less of a socialist. The point is that she raised taxes on a private corporation and REDISTRIBUTED that money. As I read your definition, any politician that taxes a private corporation, even if it is only one private corporation, and REDISTRIBUTES that wealth in the form of cash payments is engaging in a species of socialism.

I wrote on this topic weeks ago. The fact is that both of these – I’ll say it – Socialists are no different. They both tripped all over each other to vote for the bailout and against their constituency. This is not one of those “I’m rubber and you’re glue” type moments for Obama (socialist). If you really want a socialist, either one will do just fine. If you don’t, it’s time to start considering “throwing away your vote” on a third party. At least if you go this route, it only takes 5% to win. 5% will give the third party access to government campaign funds for the next campaign, which might make things more interesting. Thank you, McCain (socialist)-Feingold (socialist).
http://libertygazette.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/mccain-and-obama-battle-over-who-is-a-bigger-socialist/

They’re talking about legitimate concerns that American patriots should have about someone trying to become President. Apparently not YOU, but many Americans would be concerned by a candidate who’s grown up mentored by Communists, Marxist professors, and sat in a church, having no problem listening to anti-white, anit-American hatred for 20 years. That’s why Republicans are concerned. I guess the hatred fostered by those around Obama isn’t a problem?

When Obama said “spreading the wealth” he was making the Aristotelian (not socialist) argument that a country, democracy, and economy is better off if more of its citizens find themselves in the middle class.
I share that Aristotelian (not socialist) belief. But that is, in a way, a matter of values, not argument.
I think it is bad news for a democracy if it suffers from extreme ineequalities of wealth and poverty (what has been happening in our country under Bush).
I hope that we can resurrect the middle class in this country. I think that Obama is more likely to do that than McCain.
His tax rates ARE quite similar to the rates that applied under Ronald Reagan.
He is NOT arguing that we should tax the wealthy and then make cash payments to the less fortunate. He is arguing we should cut taxes on the working poor, and the more fortunate should pay a slightly higher tax rate in order to make up the difference.
To be sure, that means the wealthy will be shouldering slightly more of the burden of paying for government. But as I argued earlier, and as Gen. Powell argued, we all benefit from government programs. In fact, the wealthy benefit DISPROPORTIONATELY from government (the financial system protects their wealth, the legal system protects their property, the military and the defense system protect their security). Since the wealthy by definition have MORE of everthing, the benefit disproportionately from those systems that protect their wealth and property.
They should WANT to pay relatively more for systems that protect their wealth.

Obama raised over $150 million in September
“Wow. Do you know what could be done with that 150million. Why not spread the wealth around? I could use a little of that!”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/stephanopoul-13.html?cid=135508891#comment-135508891
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In the mean-time he gives us “pretty speeches” about how much pain he feels for us – poor Americans! That’s is the same kind of “pain” that Lenin, Marx, Stalin, and many other “Saviors” felt for their “Comrades”.
Yeah, let’s distribute the wealth! Let’s start with Obama’s wealth first.
What the heck is wrong with half of the country? Since when the DemocRATS got so much wealth – enough to spread it to Obama’s campaign so that “Messiah Obama” can promote his “Big Ego” ???!!!

Over 30% of Obama’s contributions have came from over sea! That’s why he is not disclosing his fund records!

Biden Guarantees an International Crisis in Six Months if Obama Wins [UPDATED]
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/20/biden-guarantees-an-international-crisis-in-six-months-if-obama-wins/#more-5570
(I know some of you guys heard Biden–he sounds crazy or maybe like he doesn’t want Obama to win, or he knows something. Re-read it and look for clues. He’s rambling about how we don’t have enough in the military, and how Pakistan is blah blah. WTH is he talking about. A Draft? Starting war somewhere else? Or he’s saying we will GET attacked? They are going to need our influence in the community? What? The civilian military? Cause it’s NOT going to be apparent they are right at first?? What? It’s one of the scariest things I’ve heard a politician say. I’ve been harping about how I think Obama would swap our enemies for our allies. Just re-read what he said. Predicting something horrible…for what? To numb the already numbed out Ozombie WACKOS who want to vote for this guy??)

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/mccain-camp-no.html

I’m so tired of this socialist nonsense. In fact, when Reagan came into office he (with the enthusiastic support of McCain) voted in an enormous–but necessary–tax increase, but it tilted heavily against working Americans. Since then, payroll taxes have been increased at least seven times and never been cut. At the same time, large capital gains and marginal rate cuts, and corporate loopholes, have been built into the tax system during that same period. That was a massive redistribution of wealth toward the wealthy. If that is the logic, then this is socialism for the rich. Obama’s message and plan is simply to start reversing that trend. Why is socialism only bad when it benefits us hardworking middle class folks.

Liberals are pathological liars! Beware!

In the Soviet Block’s Universities the mandatory “Scientific Socialism” classes the students were told, that the socialism is a transitory system, which will fully develop in time, to mature into communism. With the presidency of Hussein Obama the USA would surely we would start marching down on that road.

The 10 Biggest Differences Between Obama and McCain That Will Affect Your Daily Life
AlterNet. Posted October 17, 2008.
The next president will influence everything from your Internet access to your ability to pay medical bills.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/103387/the_10_biggest_differences_between_obama_and_mccain_that_will_affect_your_daily_life/

The current situation in this country, a crisis which has made everyone scared and yearning for a change, reminds me of my native Cuba in the late 1950s. People were wanting a change so badly that they threw their support blindly behind another “messiah” (Fidel Castro). People were convinced that he was the answer to every problem. The results of that fateful decision by my fellow Cubans is still evident today. Cuba is a disaster in every way. It is such a pitiful basket case, that it only compares with Haiti and depends on Venezuela and Cubans living outside for life support to survive.
Wake up America! Once you vote the Socialists/Communists in, they hold onto power like leaches! They surely make everyone equal. Yes, everyone becomes dirt poor and hungry! Of course, the ruling elite livs like emperors enjoying luxuries that few can have in the rest of the world.
Obama is a Socialist/Communist. Make no mistake about it. He has his design on this country, and he answers to the world socialist/communist movement. He is will destroy forever the America we have known.
Wake up America, before it’s too late!

The Boston Herald
October 11, 2008
It is what it is: Obama allied with scoundrels
In the best tradition of Bill Clinton’s declaration that the answer to the question of whether he was having an affair depended on “what the definition of is is,” Sen. Barack Obama was clearly concealing the truth when he said that William Ayers was “just a guy who lives in my neighborhood.”
The Ayers-Obama connection was, in fact, an intimate collaboration that it led to the only executive or administrative experience in Obama’s life.
After Walter Annenberg’s foundation offered several hundred million dollars to American public schools in the mid-’90s, Ayers applied for $50 million for Chicago. His purpose was to “raise political consciousness” in schools.
After he won the grant, Ayers’ group chose Obama to distribute the $50 million, and the future senator raised another $60 million from other civic groups to augment it. In doing so, he was following Ayers’ admonition to grant the funds to “external” organizations, like American Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), to pair with schools and conduct programs to radicalize and politicize the students.
Reading, math and science achievement tests counted for little in the grants, but the school’s success in preaching a radical agenda determined how much money it got.
Obama should have run screaming at the sight of Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn. Ayers has admitted bombing the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon, and his wife was imprisoned for failing to cooperate in solving the robbery of a Brink’s car in which two police were killed. Far from remorse, Ayers told The New York Times [NYT], in September 2001, that he wished he “could have done more.” Ayers only avoided conviction when the evidence against him turned out to be contained in illegal wiretaps. He was, in fact, guilty as sin.
So let’s sum up Obama’s Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to prison. His spiritual adviser was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of “God damn America” fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job is former terrorist Ayers.
Not a good recommendation for a president.
© The Boston Herald and Herald Media.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1124922

Taxed health insurance and being put in a different tax bracket don’t forget that. If you want better living then your going to have to pay for it. I have been driving since I was 16 and this is the first time I have had to replace the struts on my bcar and it wasn’t cheap either. This is what happens when the roads aren’t taken care of properly. We can’t fix are roads when we have to replace what was destroyed in Iraq.

Obama wants to cut taxes on the middle class and working poor, he wants to restore tax rates to the levels that applied under President Ronald Reagan and you call this socialism?
Posted by: m@chiavelli
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Mickey Mouse: Barack Obama is a LIAR! He can not cut taxes for 95% of the American people (what a demagogue) while 40% of Americans do NOT pay federal income taxes.
So-
What he will do is cut checks to the 40% who do not pay any taxes with money that he will get from taxing the rest of us, who pay income taxes. That is BLATANT COMMUNISM! (Sarah Palin was mild to call him jus a Socialist).
And please- STOP using President Reagan to promote Obama’s new edition of the “Carl Marx Doctrine”.
President Reagan and Barack Obama have absolutely NOTHING in common…NOTHING NADA…NADA – you get it, baby?

Got that, “Nut” asha?

Got that, “Nut” asha?
Posted by: m@chiavelli
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Obama admits he supports Marxism during an interview with Bill O’Reilly on Fox News…
***The Obama [KGB] Squad has blocked the video but the text of the interview is still posted.
By Scott Miller
Karl Marx, author of The Communist Manifesto, penned the recap of his basic economic philosophy below:
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”
Barack Obama, in an interview with Bill O’Reilly on Fox News, admits that he shares the above Marxist economic theory. Watch this (5:47 into the clip, but watch the whole clip):
“If am sittin’ pretty, and you’ve got a waitress who is making minimum wage plus tips, and I can afford it and she can’t, what’s the big deal for me to say I’m going to pay a little bit more… that is neighborliness”
No Senator, that is Marxism. What kind of dementia makes these liberal Marxists think they have the right to tell someone else, another free human being, how much money they should or should not have? It’s none of your damn business Barack… but the hell out!
And some of you thought I was exaggerating when I said this clown was a Marxist…
Obama Admits He Supports Marxism
http://theconservativepost.com/WordPress/?p=550

m@chiavelli, you should get out of your mom’s basement and get a real job, because you suck as an Obama blogger.
Maybe try McDonalds.

“The great irony in all of this is that Sarah Palin’s Alaska is the most socialist state in the union. Every year all Alaskans, including the Palin family, get a welfare check from the state drawn from oil company profits.”
Hi there, person from Alaska here. Nice, ignorant comment there! The Permanent Fund Dividend is our state’s ingenious method of saving money for the future, when the day comes that our oil is drilled out:
“Shortly thereafter the Alaska Permanent Fund was established by Constitutional Amendment to set aside a share of the revenues from oil production for future generations of Alaskans, in recognition of the inevitable depletion of the resource. This savings account was designed to convert a part of the depleting petroleum asset into a permanent and sustainable financial asset.
A secondary reason for establishment of the fund was to keep some of the oil revenues away from the politicians who, it was feared, would spend them on wasteful government operations and capital projects. The mistrust of the politicians was grounded in the fact that an earlier $900 million payment to the state by the oil companies for the right to explore for oil, when left in the hands of the legislature, seemed to disappear overnight, leaving behind not a legacy of new assets, but rather one of bigger government without an enhanced ability to pay for it.
The Constitutional amendment establishing the Permanent Fund required that at least 25 per cent of the royalties collected from the sale of all state owned natural resources would be deposited into the fund, that the fund would invest only in income producing assets, and that only fund earnings, but never fund principal, could be spent. In practice the deposit rule has meant that about 10 per cent of the total revenues from oil production have been deposited into the fund, along with insignificant amounts from other mineral production.”
Our state constitution says that our state’s natural resources (gold, coal, oil, snow) are to be used to the benefit of the People of Alaska. In this case, that means that all citizens of the state get an annual $1,000 to $2,000 consisting of the yearly interest off of our PFD fund, which was created with revenue earned from our gold, coal, oil, and snow ;) resources.
LOL, with that kind of an incentive to live here, can you believe that one of our teeny towns was giving away free land last year to get more people to come settle there? (Sorry, the opportunity’s closed now.)http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259264,00.html
Alaska, “the Last Frontier.” Settle here and start a homestead on free land (you clear it and build the house) and we’ll pay you $2,000 a year off of the interest from our state savings account. Ah, life is good!
Anyway, whether Sarah Palin wins or loses, we Alaskans intend to party on election night! If she wins, she can start getting the national government whipped back into shape. Hooray! And if she loses, we get to have her back here and she’ll find ways to lower our taxes even more. Hip hip hooray! ;D

Palin, what a morone! She’s clueless; worse still, many real Americans are miffed by her. Are we, real Americans, that stupid and short sighted? Can’t we tell the difference between someone who is educated, experienced,travelled, knowlegeable? McCain must not think much of this country and its people when he makes such a poor choice.When McCain gives us this Palin as a VP, he is insuting our intelligence and that of so many women who are truly capable of holding a the VP post. I am disgusted at this recent Palin fascination; I can only hope that this is just a bad nightmare! I hope her short lived fame is over by now over. She should go back to Alasca and turn herself into a popsicle!
We, real Americans are proud of our freedoms yet we hold dear someone who seriously threatens those same freedoms.

EJ, you aren’t making sense, yes there are probably better choices for vp… my mom an old ex army drill sergeant would make an awesome vp to whip up the legislature, the fact is she’s new to the scene and that in and of itself is in her favor. The problem with washington though isn’t the white house it’s the legislature which is full of career politicians. one should not be able to make a career out of stealing tax payer money. We need term limits. The white house is a choice of commander in chief, which Obama is an abysmal downright laughable choice. McCain’s “damage” so many people are afraid of will be mitigated by the legislature who’s bent on spending our nation into the ground no matter who’s in charge.
McCain.. the vote against Obama.

Sorry Sarah but is passing out oil money to your Alaskans citizens Socialism?

Posted by: Jennifer | Oct 21, 2008 6:07:58 AM
“The great irony in all of this is that Sarah Palin’s Alaska is the most socialist state in the union. Every year all Alaskans, including the Palin family, get a welfare check from the state drawn from oil company profits.”
Hi there, person from Alaska here. Nice, ignorant comment there! The Permanent Fund Dividend is our state’s ingenious method of saving money for the future, when the day comes that our oil is drilled out…[So, why aren’t you saving it then?
our state’s natural resources (gold, coal, oil, snow) are to be used to the benefit of the People of Alaska. In this case, that means that all citizens of the state get an annual $1,000 to $2,000 consisting of the yearly interest off of our PFD fund, which was created with revenue earned from our gold, coal, oil, and snow ;) resources.
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Couldn’t have said it better myself – tax private companies and REDISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH.
Sarah Palin is a Socialist.

Sensorship is alive and well. Thank you for not posting what you deem to be a “spam comment”…..how ridiculous

Socialism was introduced by FDR and furthered with LBJ’s great society.Obamas robin hood promises to the parasites, mooches and bums to get elected are BS. He’s going to tax the rich and business and thats going to create prosperity and job growth? dream on.

O.K. Jennifer – you can laugh until you’re blue in the face ;-) but then…
Alaska, by your account, has a socialist constitution!
Notwithstanding Alaska’s constitution, Gov. Palin raised additional taxes on oil companies and then REDISTRIBUTED the increased revenues in the form of direct cash payments to Alaska’s citizens.
She did that all on her own, against the opposition of the oil companies, who argued that by raising taxes she would reduce the amount of money they had available for future exploration, and needed investments in equipment upgrades.
Indeed, after Sarah Palin raised taxes, the oil companies did make fewer new investments in new equipment.
Once again, Palin’s tax increase had nothing to do with the constitution.
She’s just a clear-cut Socialist (or Communist, if you prefer Norm’s peculiar definition of the term).
Laugh as much as you want, it won’t change the fact that by raising taxes on private oil companies and then redistributing the wealth, Sarah Palin is NO DIFFERENT than President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, who did the same.
Gov. Sarah Palin raised taxes on oil corporations and redistributed the increased revenue as direct cash payments to Alaska’s citizens (not, as you say, to set money aside for the future).
Gov. Sarah Palin is a SOCIALIST!
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;-)

Obama and his leftist illuminati cronies can call his redistribution of wealth whatever they want, but it is socialism plain and simple. Obama is an expert at using the liberal media to help him push his agendas down our throats.

Obama is a closet marxist, communist, atheist, white hating muslim. Why is this so hard to see

Barb, it’s hard to see because we don’t all live in a soap opera, Enquirer-reading world, and we don’t get our facts from spam email that our Aunt Helen sent.

“Alaska, by your account, has a socialist constitution!”
Oh yes, it’s soooo socialistic to protect our state’s resources from outsiders who want to use our resources for their benefit while leaving the Alaskan people, who actually own the resources, with nothing to show for it. ;)
Take a look at these two political cartoons, and guess why we put that section in our state constitution.
http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/cdmg11&CISOPTR=1204&REC=17&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=1440&DMHEIGHT=2000
http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/cdmg11&CISOPTR=1205&REC=5&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=1440&DMHEIGHT=2000
Don’t get it? Here’s a hint: we wrote that section into our constitution to keep ourselves from getting robbed blind by outside interests.
“Notwithstanding Alaska’s constitution, Gov. Palin raised additional taxes on oil companies and then REDISTRIBUTED the increased revenues in the form of direct cash payments to Alaska’s citizens.”
Notwithstanding the fact that Sarah Palin was upholding our constitution, the fact remains that Sarah Palin didn’t “redistribute” the increased revenues any more than they were already being (as you claim) “redistributed.” (A statement which I disagree with, and if you’ll read my other post you’ll see why.) The PFD (our state savings account) has been around since 1977. And of course, more taxes on oil/coal/gold means that more money *automatically* goes into the PFD. It seems like you think that Sarah Palin just decided to raise taxes on the oil companies and then decided to create the PFD in order to redistribute the tax money to everybody. Face it: the PFD increase is just an incidental effect of raising taxes on the oil companies, not the driving reason for raising taxes. You’re mistaking the effect for the cause.
“Gov. Sarah Palin raised taxes on oil corporations and redistributed the increased revenue as direct cash payments to Alaska’s citizens (not, as you say, to set money aside for the future).”
Ooookay, it looks like you didn’t even bother to read the sources I quoted which backed up my statement that the PFD is our state savings account. Why don’t you go do that now? ;)

it has come to my attention that there was one other negroe occupying a high powerful seat in the Bush administration, boy I tell yah! the thinga majigs you learn by readin! had I known it before, I might have even tried it!
Sarah Palin
ding a ling

Obama is a closet marxist, communist… Why is this so hard to see
Posted by: barb
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Oh! I know…That One – “God’s Gift to America” per Bela Pelosi – speaks well and the “sheep” follow…
Hypocrite Obama gives “pretty speeches”, which are inspired by the Carl Marx Doctrine.

“For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. (40) And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.(41) Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: (42) For I was an hungred, and ya gave me no meat: i was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:(43) I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.”
-Matthew 34-41
Christians should read the bible more, it clearly states that if you don’t take care of the poor its the same as not taking care of Jesus, and you will be cast “into everlasting fire” if you don’t take care of the poor.
How can one claim that they represent Christians while screaming “Socialist”? If helping those less fortunate is Socialist, then She is clearly calling Jesus a Socialist as well, so I guess being Socialist isn’t so bad.
Sorry for getting all religious, But it bugs me that by the Republican standards, the people/party that got voted in by Christians in 2004, by their standards Jesus would be a “Socialist”, and they would be running robo-calls about him.
The bible is full of stuff that is contrary to Republican agenda:
“Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor (Socialism), and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me”
“And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God” (how many mansions did Jesus need?)
Its like shooting fish in a barrel. The new testament is full of stuff about helping the poor and less fortunate, but now the Republican party calls compassion “Socialism”. (and to take the cake, Obama’s plan isn’t Socialism at all)

Barack Obama is a Marxist. He surely gives “pretty speeches” like Carl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, and other Messiahs all claiming to be “Saviors of their fellow Comrades”.

Conservative Republicans always want the government to stay out of business and avoid regulation as long as they are making lots of money. When their greed, however, gets them into a fix, they are the first to cry out for rules and laws and taxpayer money to bail out their businesses. Obviously, Republicans are socialists. The Bush administration has decided to socialize the debt of the big Wall Street Firms. Taxpayers didn’t get to enjoy any of the big money profits on the phony financial instruments like derivatives or bundled sub-prime paper, but we get the privilege of paying for their debt and failures.

McCain and Palin sound like fascists!

Given the statistics that the rich are getting richer and the middle-class are getting poorer, so-called “Socialism” or division of wealth is not a bad idea for the next 4-years.
We the middle-class are not living the American dream, we are living the American nightmare.
Mrs. Palin’s stance on this issue as a wrong approach is ridiculous. Perhaps she should meet the millions of foreigners who come here trying to achieve the American dream but who today are disappointed and devastated.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080915/scheer
Sarah Palin believes in [Redistribution Of Wealth] as noted in her Alaskan Windfall Profit Tax, to the Families of Alaska…
Palin is Fraud, Hypocrite and Contradiction, tothose that Blindly Follow her rhetorc without Researching this [Alaskan Witch]
Welcome to the People’s Republic of Alaska, where every resident this year will get a $3,200 payout, thanks in no small measure to the efforts of Sarah Palin, the state’s Republican governor. That’s $22,400 for a family of seven, like Palin’s. Since 1982, the Alaska Permanent Fund, which invests oil revenues from state lands, has paid out a dividend on invested oil loot to everyone who has been in the state for a year.
But Palin upped the ante by joining with Democrats and some recalcitrant Republican state legislators to share in oil company windfall profits, further fattening state tax revenue and permitting an additional payout in tax funds to residents.
No wonder she is popular with voters in a state whose residents pay no income or sales taxes but are blessed with state coffers rolling in cash at a time when all other states are suffering. Indeed, when the oil companies pay more taxes to the state of Alaska, they get to write that off against their federal tax obligation, leaving the rest of us to make up the shortfall.
The state of Alaska owns most of the oil-producing land and was getting upward of 85 percent of its budget from the oil companies that lease the fields, even before Palin helped increase the state’s cut. While other states fire schoolteachers because of the economic downturn, Alaska has, as Palin indicated in accepting John McCain’s offer to join him on the GOP ticket, more money than it knows what to do with. In a display of plucky arrogance at her coming-out press conference, Palin boasted deceptively that if Alaskans wanted that infamous bridge to nowhere, “we’d build it ourselves.”
She originally had supported having US taxpayers finance that boondoggle, before McCain and others in Congress blasted it.
Not that I blame Palin for wrangling for her state a bigger cut of oil company windfall profits; it’s just not an option that will work wonders for states without oil. Of course we can remedy that by having a federal windfall profits tax of the sort that Barack Obama dared propose, and which McCain and his fellow congressional Republicans have managed to quash. Their argument, rejected quite pointedly by Palin for Alaska, is that it would discourage oil companies from investing in boosting oil field yields.
McCain derided Obama’s call for the windfall profits tax, saying it would “increase our dependence on foreign oil and hinder exactly the same kind of domestic exploration and production we need.” I am far more interested in how McCain handles the contradiction between his and Palin’s position on windfall oil profits than whether he properly vetted her on her family-values commitment to the abstinence-only teenage sex education program.
Why is it a good thing for the folks up in Alaska to get a cut of exorbitant oil company profits, but not the rest of us, if we are all part of one nation? Didn’t taxpayers from across the US buy the place from the Russians? Isn’t it our federally collected tax dollars that have been subsidizing Alaska more lavishly than any other state, both before and after the bonanza of oil?
Just witness the success of Palin, who, as mayor of the hamlet of Wasilla, hired a big-time lobbying firm intimately connected with the state’s now-indicted Republican Sen. Ted Stevens and thus obtained $27 million in federal earmarks during her tenure. As the Washington Post calculated in a devastating report on Mayor Palin’s assault on the federal treasury, her home town of Wasilla (with about 6,000 inhabitants in 2002 when she was mayor) received $6.1 million, or $1,000 per resident in earmarks–almost as much as Boise, Idaho, got this year with a population that is thirty times larger.
It obviously helped to have Alaska’s now-indicted senator as chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee. And despite McCain’s claims that Palin distinguished herself by breaking with Alaska’s discredited Republican establishment in February, the governor sent Stevens a request for $200 million to support various state projects. With representatives like that, it’s no wonder that Alaska, despite its oil boom, is still at the top of states subsidized by federal dollars, receiving $1.84 back from Washington for every $1 that Alaskans pay in federal taxes. (California receives 78 cents for every $1.)
Unfortunately, looking to Palin for advice on helping the rest of us during the oil crunch, as McCain has promised, is a bit like asking a Saudi oil minister or Russia’s Vladimir Putin to provide a model for our nation’s economic woes. They hardly feel our pain at the pump.

Ashley Todd Story Pushed By McCain Campaign Aide, Say Reporters
TPM’s Greg Sargent reports:
John McCain’s Pennsylvania communications director told reporters in the state an incendiary version of the hoax story about the attack on a McCain volunteer well before the facts of the case were known or established — and even told reporters outright that the “B” carved into the victim’s cheek stood for “Barack,” according to multiple sources familiar with the discussions.
John Verrilli, the news director for KDKA in Pittsburgh, told TPM Election Central that McCain’s Pennsylvania campaign communications director gave one of his reporters a detailed version of the attack that included a claim that the alleged attacker said, “You’re with the McCain campaign? I’m going to teach you a lesson.”
Read the full story here.
NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams reported much the same:
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John McCain’s & Palin’s Quick, Snap Judgement..
Just Plain Ole Bad
John McCain’s instant acceptance of the highly suspicious story that one of his female campaign workers had been attacked at an ATM in Pittsburgh by a black Obama supporter who carved a backwards “B” on her face is the latest example of his judgment and style of decision-making, which would be potentially disastrous in a president.
Without waiting to find out whether this cockamamie story, which police immediately discounted. was true, Sen. McCain telephoned and spoke with the putative victim. His campaign pushed the sketchy story to the national media.
The “incident” was shown within hours to have been a hoax by a mentally disturbed woman who is now in custody.
Occurring at a time when the McCain campaign is running an ad warning of how Barack Obama would react to a crisis, Mr. McCain’s shoot-from-the-hip reaction to this false story serves to remind us once again how totally inappropriate his reaction to a crisis would be.
It suggests that if a President McCain received a report of Soviet missiles in Cuba, North Vietnamese patrol boats attacking an American destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin, or an Iraqi dictator having weapons of mass destruction, he would believe the report without waiting to find out weather it was true and would go to war first and ask question later–if ever.
Here is John McCain’s own description of his mode of decision-making: “I make them as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can. Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”
“The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine,” Republican Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi said of Sen. McCain in January of this year. “He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.”
I don’t often agree with the senior senator from my state, but he’s right about this, and the American people had better heed his warning.

Didn’t Sarah Palin support redistributing the wealth in Alaska from the big oil companies to the many citizens in the form of a windfall profits tax?
Yes, she did.
http://mccainfactcheck.com/facts/11/palin_windfall_profits_tax_344511.shtml
isn’t that the very definition of “socialism”?
can anyone say Hypocrite?

By Sarah Palin”s standards then the Savior she serves is a bigger socialist than Obama
A rich man came to Jesus one day and asked what he should do to get into heaven. Jesus did not say he should invest, spend, and let the benefits trickle down; he said sell what you have, give the money to the poor, and follow me. Few plainer words have been spoken. And yet, for some reason, the Christian Coalition of America—founded in 1989 in order to “preserve, protect and defend the Judeo-Christian values that made this the greatest country in history”—proclaimed last year that its top legislative priority would be “making permanent President Bush”s 2001 federal tax cuts.”
Read a full transcript of this article that all Christians should think about before they jump on this bandwagon:http://harpers.org/archive/200
5/08/0080695

Most of you are really dumb on the sight. People cry about being patriotic and all Amercian and what ever. The real truth is dumb people who make less that 200k a year think the GOP has their best intrest in mind while corporations could care less about America, they will give your job to the next person that can do it cheaper that you in a heart beat. While you dumb a$$ people keep flying you flag and hollar “I love my country” Can’t you dumb a$$ people see that Republican’s could care less about you or you damn flag, they only worship the dollar but they say they repesent good core vaulues well I can’t thinking of any thing more important than the peson that lives next to you. The goal of a real American should be what’s good for his fellow man right there next to him. WAKE UP! McCain has already said he is going to follow the basica ideas of the GOP. The idea that you are to trust corporate America and the will provide you with a future. The biggest con game to have ever exsisted is the current game being played on the US citizens by the GOP. They know that people will sell out for an idea as long as you keep them thinking that they have a slim shot at being rich or upper middle class. The dumb idiots will even protect the rich and powerfull because they have dreams of one day being that rich or well off. The most secure perimeter is the limits of the mind, don’t be bound ignorance. Use your brain and think your way out of the box. I’m voting for Obama because he can think his way out of a box where John McCain would probably just set the box on fire and burn up everything and say problem solved. Sarah Palin probably would not realize she was in a box

Carlos the Carpenter is so right on!
I have such problems understanding the American peoples fear of socialism.
I am born in Norway and have lived there all my life. According to your definitions I live in a socialist country. And even though I read time and time again on US sites quotes like “socialism has never worked anywhere” Norway is always on the lists counting the best countries to live in the world! We are pretty much always in the top three, often right on top.
Yes, we do pay high taxes, and sometimes it sucks to look at my paycheck and see just how big the numbers are going to tax.
But if I get cancer my treatment is free – if you Americans must stay in the hospital for a long period of time you might face financial ruin and end up on the streets if you do not have insurance. And even if you do have insurance it might end up being the wrong kind and you are left with nothing anyway.
My children get free health care. Your society have such large differences that you might not be able to afford for your kids to get proper health care while your neighbor might not have such problems.
Long term (perhaps all your life) treatment for something like asthma is covered by the state. Dental care is free until you reach the age of eighteen. If you get pregnant every single visit to the doctor during the pregnancy is free. Otherwise you pay a small individual share while the state picks up the rest of the bill. School is free. School-supplies are free. Higher education is financially supported by the state.
Ask any Norwegian and your answer is clear; we prefer paying high taxes and supporting the society as a whole in stead of paying less tax, only fending for ourselves and then maybe, if we are unlucky, there is no one there to have our back is something goes wrong.
We have a definition in Norway of who is poor. There is a defined line of how much you earn each month and if you are below it you are poor. Hardly anyone are below that line. We do have some people living on the street, but not many and over ninety percent of those are drug addicts who unfortainly “must” use the money they recieve from the state on drugs instead of housing and food. No one HAVE to live on the streets in Norway. Not like in the US.
What I don’t understand is this; you have a system that clearly do NOT work! Why this fear of moving in the direction of something that has been proven to work in so many countries?! It seems to me that the thought is; well, what if I strike gold?! What if I am the next Oprah or Bill Gates or movie star?! And then I have to pay loads of money to support those who did not strike gold… Then I don’t get to keep it all to myself. Well.. what it you are the one who does not strike gold?? What if instead you are the one to get cancer, or to get your back wrecked at work so you can never work again? Or you are the lady I saw on TV the other night, who went from a steady job to living on the streets within weeks because of the financial crisis? Then would you not like for the society to be there for you?
It baffles me to read your debates on these issues. And it is not exactly mindblowing that the world laughs at the USA.

I am afraid we are dealing here with irrational fears and prejudices. Anti-socialism and anti-communism have become part of the national religion and is part of the national identity of a big part of America, now, even though there’s no more Soviet Union and Communist China has become our greatest banker.
When you have irrational fears, facts don’t count much. For example, Americans think they have more freedom than Norway and other Scandinavian or European countries who’ve had socialist governments for decades, when it’s clear they don’t. These countries have all the freedoms listed in the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution. Some may not even know that many of these ideas of freedom came from Europe and the (yikes!) French enlightenment philosophers. They refuse to consider that suspending open courts and habeus corpus and extraordinary renditions and tappng into people’s phones and e-mails might be a danger to people’s rights back home too. They don’t see that there might be a problem when you have more prisons per capita than any other country in the developed world. Or when you have infant mortality rates that are just slightly ahead of (yikes again!) Cuba! Even When the “free-market” policies have put their entire country on the verge of collapse, nothing diminishes blind faith in the kleptocratic politicians, businesspeople and system they believe in.
The simplest elementary fact – that excessive capitalism risks putting excessive wealth and resources in the hands of the few to the deteriment of the many is not even subject to debate. The idea that all economic systems – like all human made things – might have a serious flaw in this regard, is a blasphemy to this religion. Worse, is the idea that socialism provides some reasonable ways to remedy some of the of the flaws of the “free market” . The fact that a few corporations controlling billions of dollars, the economy, the media, and the government is not seen as any sort of problem for democracy at all, never mind that their founding fathers taught the exact opposite lesson: that concentrations of wealth and power were to be avoided. Despite the overwhelming fact of the power of money and corporate power, and the almost non-existence of any socialist movement in America today, the anti-communist zealot sees himself and his country as perpetually threatened by … socialism!
But how many Americans learn about Norway or Scandinavia or other countries anyways? How many of them have actually picked up a book to learn about the history of capitalism in Europe and America from the viewpoint of the working class? These might tell them why socialism was a rational and humane response to the suffering of the majority of people back then and why it might remain so today. But no, this would be communist propaganda, of course.
Religious zealots like this refuse historical perspective, cultural comparisons; thus no way to evaluate their views in relation to others and are unable to make crucial distinctions. I wonder if they even know that America had a fairly strong socialist movement before World War II? And how many times in this blog have people equated socialism with soviet styled communism with liberalism and what have you? Lumping together like that is a typical syndrome of prejudice and historical and political ignorance.
But of course, the answer to this kind of talk is that I am (and you?) an “elitist” who thinks people are ignorant. In this way even intelligence and rational dialogue are suspect and Presidents originating from the elite North East must put fake southern drawls and sound stupid to become accepted. How far we’ve come from the hopes of people like Jefferson!
No where else in the world has the system been so successful at propagandizing people about the “specter of communism”, to use Marx’s words. Everywhere else in the democratic world, socialist parties exist and are part of the options but not here. Of course, for the religious anti-communist, this is because the rest of the world is totally wrong and only America is right. Just like my God is the right one and yours is wrong. So, you have millions of people who would stand to gain tremendously by socialist type measures in health, work, environment and other departments but instead vote for millionaire aristocracies in the world’s greatest republic.
There are always people who are willing to listen, learn and exchange. So keep on trying to show people you’re not living in a Gulag but don’t waste too much time on the zealots.
professor funky