Palin Gets McCain Stance on Homeowner Protections Wrong

The whole mortgage thing is such a political thing that it’s appallingly easy to see through. So, let me get this straight…if you had a mortgage 10 years ago, the Feds would have rushed in and forced a renegotiation of your mortgage? How many people lost their home under Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II? Unfortunately that happens.
Even more unfortunate is the situation where you have the Feds leaning on mortgage lenders to give mortgages to those who can’t really afford it, imply that the Fed will back it up (and, not to worry anyway, nothing bad’s going to happen), and then the usual greed meisters investing and lending out more money than they really have…OK, that’s part and parcel of our Federal Reserve based banking and finance system, but there’s a certain percentage over real assets that’s both wise and moral to not go over.
I’ve seen the knowitalls going back and forth on this issue, Obama hiding from this issue, and only McCain and a handful of Democrats and Republicans especially in the House trying not to be rushed into a stupid legislation.
Nobody knows that this is even going to work. It’s just a squeaky wheel thing.

Palin was rude to the moderator, rude to Biden, she answered off topic many of the questions from the moderator(which woould cause her to lose points if she were on a debate team), she had poor knowledge of foreign affairs and the economy, she had no clue to the meaning of the term “Achilles heel” and she answered that question wrong, when she doesn’t know the answer to a question she states that it is because she is a Washington outsider, she states that she values education yet even with Alaska’s huge surplus they have one of the worse literacy rates in the country and her older kids aren’t college bound, her phoney down home behavior and language is a mask for her lack of knowledge and an insult to intelligent rural oriented people, she talked of warm and wonderful Wasilla but failed to mention that it is the meth capital of Alaska and that she fired a police chief who wanted the bars closed at 2AM instead of 5 and she also fired him because he wanted to change the law that allowed people to carry concealed weapons in a bar, she uses tha baby as a prop, and “you betcha” that she secretly supports the goals of the Alaska Independence Party as does her husband. She was so intent in not having a baby in the lower 48 that at 8 months pregnant and after her water broke in Texas while at a conference with her husband, she boarded a plane for a 10 hour flight back to Alaska to have the baby there. I don’t know of any other soccer, hockey, PTA , or NRA mother who would have risked the life of their unborn child with that unnecessary trip especially AFTER her water broke. Sara Palin, thank you but no thank you.

Grand Old Party.
Name them, or stfu

“Joe Mama” – Here ya go. Let’s make it 14. You’re the one who really needs to “stfu.” Typical high class lib.
JOE BIDEN’S 14 LIES TONIGHT
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

And what about the 10 misstatements from Biden Mr. Teddy Davis? Are you a reporter or a leftist supporter? You just answered the question. Go back to journalism school and look up the word “objectivity”

The rason Palin got away with not answering the questions is because the Pubs had already started the “she’s biased” crap again.
If Gwen would have made Palin actually answe the question being asked, that would be “biased”. God forbid we ever get a straight answer from a Republican.
Biden still won by showing his knowledge and answering the questions. Palin just spewed her pre-rehersed talking points she brought on her note cards.
It doesn’t matter though. The best team to lead this nation is obvious. It’s not the grumpy old man and the pagent princess.
And what’s with the winking at the camera a half dozen times?

LOL, wonder if we’ll ever read about the misstatements (and flat out lies) Obama makes on a daily basis!

McCain is history. He was before this debate, and its pretty obvious this debate didnt help his campaign a bit. She comes across as an imbecile.

Just for example:
“2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.”
Wrong. Obama said he would meet “without preconditions”.
That simply DOES NOT mean “unconditionally, without conditions”. It means without PREconditions, not without any conditions whatsoever.
Failing to understand what someone else was saying doesn’t make that someone a liar. It just means you fail English.

Palin won the winking part of the debate.
::wink:: ::wink::

I agre, she was cute but not ready. I really though she was avoiding answering her questions,. She is not presidential material. I am sorry. I will not support ths joke. I am a proud republican mom and I will support the best team.
The NATIONAL teachers ASS. Endorsed Barack Obama and Also the National Nurse ASSO.

As a republican I a deeply insulted to think this women is qualify, I dont. What I saw last night was a women who is not ready for VP. I just cant see this women taking over if that is to be the case. This is a scary thought and yes like many Americans I am not comfortable with that, period. Its sad if thats the best choice we had for a vp choice. As a republican I will vote for the Obama/Biden ticket. Sarah will bea risky choice
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No need to be insulted and obviously no need to be a Republican. If you want big government,government run health care, more government beauracracies, $50
billion dollars a year of US tax payer money to be given to the UN – the UN!! – increased taxes ( don’t let them fool you there will be no tax break for the middle class with all their bloated federal initiatives – look at their record). Anytime you raise taxes on business it gets passed down to the middle man. Socialism is coming to the US big time – you guys better wake up, but the scary part is you guys may be awake.

Palin: “gee whilickers Mr. Putin, you can’t go into Georgia, darn tootin’ we will go to war with ya”… I know she didn’t say this but seriously,
this is the stupidity this country is left with, to pick this person who has no clue….

The NATIONAL teachers ASS. Endorsed Barack Obama and Also the National Nurse ASSO.
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It doesn’t surprise me that the National Teachers ASS supports Obama. It makes natural sense.

And elaine, I bet you are a great mom.

I feel sorry for Sara Palin. She should never have accepted the nomination. There is “No Way” McCain can win with her. Unfortunately, she just says what she thinks and that is not much! The interview with Katie Couric said it all. Ms. Palin does not have the intellect to lead this country, she does not have any business representing or trying to lead the United States of America. The Bush Adminisistration has already made the US look bad among other countries. They do not trust us and now they will be laughing at us if our country even considers a McCain/Palin ticket. These are tough economic times people and this is nothing to laugh about.
P. Belanger, October 3, 2008 1:58 pm

I guess the 10 Proven factual errors that Joe Biden made in the debate don’t bother ABC. No I figured that.
Oped, your are right. Joe Biden LIED more than 10 times and he knows it.
Sarah Palin miss spoke.

Sorry, you can talk about Biden all you want. He has proven himself for several years. The fact is Palin can’t tell a lie or the truth because she simply does not know a thing! If the Republicans want an air head to represent them. MORE POWER TO THEM!!

People who say Palin won last night are dreaming.Just because the girl looks young and exciting next to the older statesman doesn’t mean she won!!
She held her won on the economy, BUT when it came to foreign policy she tnaked. She got names wrong, when she couldn’t answer a question she reverted bacak to her “comfort zone” the economy. GREAT JOB Joe….

Wag…mayve you better look at Palin. She stretched the truth so much and came back and hit her in the butt. One particular mess up was on new protections for homeowners. Seh misspoke and then changed the subject when confronted by Biden.
If you need the particulars, I can show you.

I cannot even imagine anyone thinking this women qualify for anything.
In the world today and the countries condition, we need more than Sarah Palin.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

Just like her RNC convention speech, this was coached because she is the VP pick. Let her run ad lib with SUBSTANCE, Sarah Palin is the master of the non answer. Blame that on the Q & A you get from contestants in a beauty pageant.
Moderator and Biden in cahoots with each other because her answers will fail to satisfy them? LOL. What a laughable line. The American people are interested to know what your plans and policies will be, Ms. Palin–it is not a question of satisfying. It is a question if you have a plan to solve a problem or a sound policy to adhere to to protect people. 5 weeks wasn’t enough to coach you and it takes much more time to inhale things. Right now, I see you bask in the power and adulation of people. You hid you insecurity Sarah last night but alas, it wasn’t concealed with your wink wink. You liked this format…it makes you less to commit a gaffe. But wait till media asks you–or even ordinary people. Then you tank.
Do what is best for the country. Serve Alaska, learn more then spread your wings later. Ed Rollins of CNN gave you the highest mark. Perfect. He didn’t see any negative only an avid fan would do. No flaws. But that is dangerous to inflate egos and egos we do not need. Even a genuine and humble heart will not be enough but a good start. Do you for the VP?

I think anyone who thought Palin won, or did passably well, in the debate should read the transcript. When you take out all the winks and body language, and get down to the actual words used, she demonstrated that all she knows is what she has been coached on. The pat responses, the folksy sayings, the “John McCain is a maverick”, and her complete avoidance of numerous questions really stands out. It still amazes me what people believe (Obama will raise taxes on people making $42K, for example). If someone makes a statement, check it out. Don’t be lazy. Find out where the statements are coming from. Did the person misspeak, or did they mis-characterize what someone was voting for? And where does John McCain stand on the issues?

David Astroturf:
your 14 “factual errors” are all completely false or irrelevant.
Here’s the biggest glaring one:
John McCain calling for more regulation?? Come on. Phil Gramm is his advisor. Still is.
Since you are running out of fingers and toes counting those 14 things, it is apparent you haven’t counted the 27 times Palin couldn’t answer a question and started blabbing about “energy,” “hockey mom,” “you betcha.”
What a JOKE….naming “factual errors” from others when you are supporting the biggest enemy of facts, McCain and Palin campaign.

I LOVED this debate. It was hilariously embarrassing for Palin, thus for McCain. My jaw kept dropping on the floor due to her ignorance and stupidity. Her smugness and smirk were hysterical. I’ve never been more entertained… definitely “Must-See” TV!
Lemme guess, McCain & Palin: Gotcha journalism? Take responsibility for your own ignorance, you hacks!
This woman has proven time and time again that she is beyond unqualified for the VP position or any position in high office. She should just go back to Alaska and get the cold reception that she deserves. And McCain should go with her!
She botched any chance for McCain, although I have to give a lot of credit to McCain for his lack of skill in his first debate. It’s so pathetic that they are going to keep this campaign going. It’s so deflated that they’re no way they are going to fill it up again with anything constructive.
To quote Henry David Thoreau:
‘Always you have to contend with the stupidity of man.’
Or in this case, woman.

Want to know how we got in the sub prime mess. You know it was Bush’s fault. There was no housing bubble under Clinton.
Here is the story.
Predatory Lenders’ Partner in Crime
How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers.
By Eliot Spitzer
Thursday, February 14, 2008
When history tells the story of the subprime lending crisis and recounts its devastating effects on the lives of so many innocent homeowners, the Bush administration will not be judged favorably. The tale is still unfolding, but when the dust settles, it will be judged as a willing accomplice to the lenders who went to any lengths in their quest for profits. So willing, in fact, that it used the power of the federal government in an unprecedented assault on state legislatures, as well as on state attorneys general and anyone else on the side of consumers.
Weeks after this was written Spitzer was Watergated.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR2008021302783.html

Predatory Lenders’ Partner in Crime
How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers.
Several years ago, state attorneys general and others involved in consumer protection began to notice a marked increase in a range of predatory lending practices by mortgage lenders. Some were misrepresenting the terms of loans, making loans without regard to consumers’ ability to repay, making loans with deceptive “teaser” rates that later ballooned astronomically, packing loans with undisclosed charges and fees, or even paying illegal kickbacks. These and other practices, we noticed, were having a devastating effect on home buyers. In addition, the widespread nature of these practices, if left unchecked, threatened our financial markets.
Even though predatory lending was becoming a national problem, the Bush administration looked the other way and did nothing to protect American homeowners. In fact, the government chose instead to align itself with the banks that were victimizing consumers.

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What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge? As Americans are now painfully aware, with hundreds of thousands of homeowners facing foreclosure and our markets reeling, the answer is a resounding no.
Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.
Let me explain: The administration accomplished this feat through an obscure federal agency called the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC). The OCC has been in existence since the Civil War. Its mission is to ensure the fiscal soundness of national banks. For 140 years, the OCC examined the books of national banks to make sure they were balanced, an important but uncontroversial function. But a few years ago, for the first time in its history, the OCC was used as a tool against consumers.
In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government’s actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.
But the unanimous opposition of the 50 states did not deter, or even slow, the Bush administration in its goal of protecting the banks. In fact, when my office opened an investigation of possible discrimination in mortgage lending by a number of banks, the OCC filed a federal lawsuit to stop the investigation.

Two comments:
1) Palin is an embarassment to this nation. G-dub wasn’t enough? Eight years ago we were the greatest nation on earth, now , we are on the verge of being a laughingstock of the world. People like Couric pressed Palin for specifics, because as a self-respecting woman, she couldn’t stomach the fact that Palin may be the first woman to break “the glass ceiling.” There are so many other women out there including republican ones, who would be hold the office with distinction and honor. Palin simply would not.
2) The republican’s attacks on Biden for stating that paying taxes is Patriotic is sickening. This same party that believes in strong defense thinks that all that expensive defense technology comes for free. Just look at the continent of Africa to comprehend what poor governance and lax enforcement of tax laws get’s ya! It is our civic duty to pay taxes so that we all can share in the benefits that only a strong, centralized government can provide such as the republican holy grail – national security. So – YES – Joe Biden is right to say that it is the patriotic thing to do to pay taxes.

I can’t believe we are still talking about Palin. This country is in the worst shape we have been in, well let’s see in TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO YEARS!!!! And we still can’t keep our stupid moth butts from flying at the bright winking light. Every time you hear a ZAP, it’s some idiot flying into the Palin truth zappper and falling into her moronic spell.

I agree that Palin did very well, and she certainly is better to look at than Biden, but by the end of the evening weren’t you all thinking: Do I really want a cute winking hockey Mom involved in international relations? Would the US have more respect around the world if she represented us in any way?
My answer is Yikes, NO. But I would like her as a replacement for O’Reilly.

No need to be insulted and obviously no need to be a Republican. If you want big government,government run health care, more government beauracracies, $50
billion dollars a year of US tax payer money to be given to the UN – the UN!! – increased taxes ( don’t let them fool you there will be no tax break for the middle class with all their bloated federal initiatives – look at their record). Anytime you raise taxes on business it gets passed down to the middle man. Socialism is coming to the US big time – you guys better wake up, but the scary part is you guys may be awake.
Posted by: TC | Oct 3, 2008 7:50:15 AM
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After what happened these past 8 years under your IDIOTIC president, I can live with that! So, get a LIFE!

The 2005 Energy Bill is a boost, not an impediment, to clean energy. The legislation included tax breaks for oil companies, $2.6-billion to be exact, those were largely wiped out by a $3-billion extension of taxes on crude oil to help offset costs associated with oil spills. The bulk of the $14.6-billion in tax incentives included in the legislation actually went to “renewable” sources of energy, to accelerate the development of wind, clean-coal and nuclear power, and hybrid vehicles.
Obama has said he felt the good in the bill outweighed the bad.

Palin’s claim that the Constitution gives her the flexibility “exert power” over the Senate. What?! Besides having no grounding in our actual Constitution was she’s asking to expand the powers of the VP? She sounds like a power-hungry narcissist running right past her President— running mate to a seat of higher power with less accountability.

I immediately checked the facts on the debate last night and BOTH made some misstatements. Biden’s were slight ones, while Palin’s were lack of knowledge. She spoke in such rehearsed, memorized segments that it would be hard for her to have too many misstatements; she just didn’t answer questions she didn’t like. Had she been forced to do so, as in the Couric interviews, things would have been much different.
She did what she has been doing–delivering a scripted performance without follow-up questions and demand for the answer to match the question. We already knew she could do that, since she did it in her stump speech she delivered over and over, including the same lie about being against the bridge. It is when she is forced to really answer and DISCUSS (as in back and forth with depth) issues that she falls apart.
I honestly think she belongs on Fox News.

You guys are wrong.
You had eight years.
You’re wrong.
Get all worked up and spew out all the facts. But everything your boys have been for has proven to be a bunch of crap.

Palin’s performance was just that–a performance. She memorized lines written by McCain’s handlers to attack Obama and Biden’s records with impunity, because she has virtually no record on any of the relevant issues. She made no attempt to answer the questions that were asked of her, and, indeed, clearly could not have done so.

To TC, who said, “Anytime you raise taxes on business it gets passed down to the middle man.”
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I want to add that giving business a tax cut does NOT mean that it will be passed down to the consumer.

Biden won the debate. Any objective debate moderator would say he directly answered the questions & addressed the issues with way more depth & knowledge.
That said Palin helped herself. Not her sinking ticket but herself.
As for Mr. 14 lies posting over & over again, every single one of those “lies” are arguable points based on how you look at it. Lying would be a deliberate mis statement of fact (not a clarification based on underlying circumstance on particular issues). Was Sarah Palin “lying” when she misstated McCain’s position on bankruptcy law???
I don’t think she was. Probably just not clear & knew that saying the right thing is what most people would remember. There have been tons of facts that have been skewed by both sides this election season but that’s politics. They’re NOT all lies most of them are spin on perception & the Repubs have been masters at that.

I think Palin would help the McCain ticket a lot more if she had a “Janet Jackson” moment. Come on Sara, lets see the rack!

Palin’s song
Don’t know much about economy,
Don’t know much geography.
Don’t remember ’bout the oath I took,
Don’t recall reading a book.
I can wink my way into the VP spot,
I get my news from neocon Fox.
I throw my family under the Straight Talk Bus
Doesn’t matter if it’s good for us.
Anything to get elected
Ya betcha.

Posted by: obamayomama | Oct 3, 2008 7:55:24 AM
Lower people’s principal??!! Lower people’s principal??!! I want my principal lowered. I live in a modest home, make my principal AND interest payments on time, and Obama wants to renegotiate a binding contract for people who bought way more house than they can afford. Essentially, he wants to reward people who have proven they can’t handle money – just more handouts to folks who can’t even do simple math. This bites me to no end. Where is the reward for those of us who are doing the right thing and sat down BEFORE we signed a housing contract to make sure we could pay back the money we were borrowing from the bank? Where is the reward for those of us who bought a small, modest home even though it would be great to live in a big, expensive home in a fancy neighborhood? Boy, if I had known then that I could have bought in an exclusive neighborhood even though I couldn’t afford it because Obama was going to come along and lower my mortgage payment that’s the route I would have taken. Gee, I guess my parents were wrong when they taught me that if you can’t pay for it, you can’t buy it.
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I have to say that this is what’s wrong with this country. It is people like you that gets us in the ‘crisis” we’re in. If Obama was to lower peoples principles, it would help the millions of people who are homeless due to the fact that they did buy an “affordable” home, small and modest. I mean we are sturggling between buying food OR gas. Imagine if you were a single mother like myself, lost husband in a house fire, two kids, small house, car, and a job paying 38k a year. When I bought my house, my payments were 833/mo including taxes and insurance. I lost it because I couldnt afford it. Sorry, but where I am from an apartment in a decent neighborhood, 2 bedrooms is anywhere from 750-950/mo. But with the gas prices, food prices, energy prices, daycare, car-payment, let alone the things my growing boys need, clothes, shoes, haircuts, How can I survive? Why not help me out. I didnt live in something that was luxuary. It was a small 3 bdrm house that was once affordable, then all of a sudden costed more to heat then my car payment, MONTH TO MONTH. So there you have it. Its everyday, average people that cant afford their homes- ALL OF A SUDDEN. Its the lenders who gave us these loans at a reasonable rate in the BEGINNING and then sky rocketed the rates and made our payments double. Its the Gas prices that tripled that cases us to pay 2-300 dollars more a month, which can make or break some of us. ITs our jobs that we lost, its the companies that folded up or moved over seas that left millions of us UNEMPLOYED. How can we afford to live? And nevertheless, its the rich that comes in our neighborhoods and buy our homes that we struggled to keep, for PENNIES, fix them for a few grand, and then rent them to us for 8x what they bought it for. I mean America needs help. We need help. So for all of you who dont understand the struggles of people like me who work 50+ hours a week to feed our childern, GET A GRIP! Come take a walk through my neighborhood, and see what the AVERAGE middle class family is going through. And by the way, I live in a suburb of Cleveland where there is whites and blacks. Not the worst part of the City, but where people go to work EVERYDAY and are trying to give their children a safe place to live, and a good school.

Someone above said “5 trillion deficit. ”
Sir or madam, you are way out-of-date. Bush Jr. has blown far, far past 5 trillion dollars. They intend to raise the debt ceiling over $10 trillion to accommodate the latest bailout, if they get it passed.

I’ve been a Republican my whole life, my entire family is Republican. And any intelligent Republican who doesn’t care to pull the Limbaugh/O’Reilly line recognizes that Palin is a complete incompetent idiot. She is an embarrassment to our party and to our nation. I am disgusted when I see so-called conservatives trying to defend her idiocy. It is a shame and it is why we are getting the image of being the party of illiterate trailer trash. I for one won’t stand for it because I love my country and my true party too much for that. “Guns, God, and Oil”, “Drill, Baby, Drill”….what the hell have we become??

In response to David Astroturf complaints about Biden’s 14 lies…This is the second time I’ve seen Republicans pull this. Most of the supposed Joe Biden lies is an interpretation or a misstatement. Let’s go through all of Mr. Astroturf’s statements
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
This is an old one and it is just plain misleading—Obama opposed continuing the Bush tax cuts is seen as a tax increase, but at the sometime supported a bill. McCain was against plan opposed to plan by Democrats that would repeal the Bush tax cuts but reduce taxes on the middle class and change alternative minimum taxes. Besides, McCain was against the Bush tax cuts, before he was for them—Confusing, but Bidden told the truth
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran.
Barack Obama did say specifically that he would meet with word leaders unconditionally, and Joe Biden attacked him for it. This is just a quibble—when Obama has said that he would meet with leaders unconditionally—maybe he did not specifically mentioned Ahmedinijad, so Bidden was basically lying on this one
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”
A one time that was true, but the energy situation has changed–Both Biden and Obama have agreed to limited off shore drilling Biden was turthful
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.
What debate were you listening to? Your complaint almost echoes exactly what Bidden said. There is no disagreement (just wanted to get the numbers up I guess). Obama refused to vote for a bill without time-lines and McCain refused to vote for a bill with timelines. This is a fundamental disagreement. Neither man refused to support the troops. Bidden was just responding to a misleading claim made by Mrs Palin. If you make the claim that Obama did not support the troops for insisting on timelines, then you can also make the same claim that McCain would cut-off funding if there were timelines—Biden did not lie
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
This is also a confusing point that has many technical intricacies (I was an engineer at a coal burning plant and have worked for a company that has designed coal burning power plant around the globe). There have been legislation passed that support the coal mine lobbyist that have nothing to do with cleaning the environment. Dissecting someone’s stance vote-by-vote is tricky and misleading, especially on a highly technical issue. I can go to details, but think of it this way—my question to everyone: logically, who would be against clean coal—if it is truly clean coal?
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
I really don’t know—Biden may have lied—but I do want to say this, Obama is the first one to propose massive investments into clean energy. McCain never mentioned making any investment until Obama’s idea gained traction. McCain still has not supplied any information of how he is going to support clean energy. So this is more of a nuance issue, just like claiming Biden’s stances on clean coal
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false. Biden’s claim is not false. Every expert agrees that it depend on your level of coverage. McCain’s plan only exempts $5000. People that have really good coverage will pay taxes on the employer provided health care. Plus, it nothing is done to curtail healthcare spending in 5-to-10 years almost everyone that has employer paid health care will have to pay taxes.
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.
This is a quibble…Alaskans do receive money from the oil companies based upon the value of the oil—whether this is called a windfall profit tax or not it is still revenue based on value. I think that is fair. People criticize windfall profit taxes, but you have to remember, we give tax breaks to oil companies and let them right-down explorations expenses, we allow them to drill on federal lands for little or not money. What is wrong with a deal that says if we discover oil on government lands or in government owned water, we have to share the wealth with tax payers
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
Biden is correct, Palin lied.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
This is loaded—but the truth of the matter Fannie and Freddie are a very small portion of the Sub-prime loan fiasco. Fannie and Freddie only held 10% of their portfolio where in Alt-A loans (loan somewhere between sub-prime and conventional). McCain has in general supported the deregulation of the financial industry—Biden was truthful
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
Again, what debate were you watching? Biden carefully laid-out why he voted for the war—to give Bush negotiation leverage. He also carefully laid-out that he know the war would not me a ‘walk-in-the-park’—remember ‘shock-and-aw’ (by the way, what is the difference between blitzkrieg and ‘shock-and-aw’? Doesn’t seem that either blitzkrieg or ‘shock-and-aw’ strategies—or are they tactics—have long term success). Biden told the truth
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
This is too vague to call someone a liar. First, it depends upon how much of your income derives from capital gains, and second does it matter?
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
You are right Biden lied on this one. Now, do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea to do the bailout?
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.
This is too vague of a statement to call Biden a liar. First which Reagan plan—before or after he lowered, then re-raised taxes? Second, in actual dollars or percentage of GDP? Third, which income brackets?
So out of 14 points where Biden was supposed to have lied, he told the truth on eight (8) of them; exaggerated McCain’s stances on two (2); and, yes lied about the bailout meeting all of Obama’s conditions, and quibbled about Obama not meeting with world leaders (with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad). Then there were three (3) points mentioned as supposed lies that really need more explanation or are too nuanced for anyone to call a lie.

Sung to the tune of “Rawhide:”
Palin, Palin, Palin
it’s clear that you are failin’
conservatives are bailin’
MOOSEHIDE!
we’re wonderin’ whether
you’ll get it together
you’re wishin’ John was at your side
All the things we’re missin’
we wish you’d go back to fishin’
you make us want to run and hide
Drop on Out
Get a Clue
Get a Clue
Drop on Out
Moosehide
Get a Clue
Drop on Out
Drop on Out
Get a Clue
Moosehide
Palin, Palin, Palin
John’s chances are failin’
It’s you folks are a blamin’
MOOSEHIDE

This illustrates the core problem with Palin’s nomination. You just can’t cram for this. And no campaign can get someone ready to be VP in four months. There’s just too much to learn. If the person doesn’t bring that knowledge and understanding with them, you can’t magically educate them overnight. The problem with Palin isn’t that she lacks experience. It’s that — in contrast to others who also lack(ed) experience (Obama, Clinton, Reagan, as McCain noted the other day) — she lacks a fundamental knowledge base. The others, thru education (law school) or personal initiative or having set their sights on national office early on, acquired this knowledge and developed positions on issues. And McCain has been in Congress 26 years — you just can’t cram 26 years of his positions on things into someone’s head quickly.

Polls have Biden as the clear winning, yet some commentators are Cushing over Palin like Fox news. I thought there was a liberal media conspiracy. She was the worst debater in modern Presidential history, yet several journalists are still singing her praise despite the polls. What liberal media conspiracy?

Sarah won on who was better at avoidin’ questions and on who was better at droppin’ the letter “g” from the ends of words that are supposed to have one. Just what we need in a vice president!

Correcting Biden with “drill baby drill” made the middle east and our enemies smile last night! I have never other than Bush’s 2nd term seemed so much idiocy & lunacy with Americans who can actually come to the defense of the biggest in front of our eyes HOAX ever! What is clueless, she actually thought that was a “gotcha” line and she was gleeful with that, bubbly like a pageant winner! And why because like a high school debater (not college) she was thrilled to hear buzz words to refer to notes and holler out (moderator or not) I KNOW THAT answer, me me me ???WTF?? Have Americans collectively lost their freakin minds?? This is not a beauty pageant, there is much at stake. And she treated it as one with the winking, and the folksy cuteness (makes me hurl as a woman, she is setting US BACK). She steered the conversation (don’t blame her she crammed hard for this) to what she knew, if she didn’t she was rude, but thought it cute or clever that she is tough?? Excuse me? She was so ON that when Biden became emotional, perhaps could be today he is seeing his son off as well, she is this perky chatty Cathy wind up doll on cue..with the optimism of “I’m passing this”?? OMG! We have someone who is cramming to be a neocon VP who is not so sure as the title indicates of this post where she stands on issues, because after the Couric and Gibson interviews, if Repubs think they can spin these horrible images of interviews out of our brains, you have another thing coming! I as an American am INSULTED that this is the worst hoax to be played on all of us if this team wins. She as President are you freakin kiddin me! Some of us are wondering but it has to be that looks got her to this governorship! Please, and using her baby as a prop and posing him to face the camera to remind the public he has downs is AWFUL, just like parading the boy who has a upcoming shotgun wedding with her pregnant daughter, is/was the WORST ever! She avoided questions, phoney, plastic and I see why Alaskans are protesting, they are WARNING US!! Again our Enemies loves Mrs. Drill baby Drill and are smiling at us today! Heaven Help us! McCain is scary enough..his judgment with going along with this bad joke on America further proves it. Whoever, says this woman is phenomenal with a shout out to a third grade, running for VP or President, as if this is a PTA presidential race is inexcusable! Shame on America for believing the hype with this one!

Obamayomama said, “Essentially, he (Obama) wants to reward people who have proven they can’t handle money – just more handouts to folks who can’t even do simple math.”
You’re right. Let’s send all people who can’t “do math” and “handle money” to an island where they can live like savages. Only the wealthy and educated should be allowed in the United States!
That’s what Jesus wanted, correct? Or…wait a minute…did he say to help the poor?
Or, if you prefer a non-Christian perspective, people who can’t “do math” and “handle money” should live… where?
Being duped by unscrupulous lenders is not the same as inability to “do math.”

SARAH PALIN’S 18 DEBATE LIES
1. FANNIE MAE/FREDDIE MAC: Palin said “it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures,” but fact checkers say that’s “Quite A Stretch” And “Barely True,” and that McCain was a “latecomer” to the discussion.
2. FUNDAMENTALS ARE STRONG: Palin tried to say “John McCain saying our economy was strong” but McCain has used the phrase “The Fundamentals Of The Economy Are Strong” At Least 16 Times This Year.
3. PARTISAN POLITICS: Palin said McCain is “known for putting partisan politics aside to just get the job done,” but he has voted with Bush 90% of the time in the Senate and bragged about his support for Bush on important issues.
4. TAXES ATTACK: Palin repeated the attack that Obama voted for higher taxes 94 times, which the New York Times says is “false,” CNN says is “Misleading,” and FactCheck.org says is “inflated.”
5. TOBACCO REGULATION: Palin said to “look at the tobacco industry” as an example of McCain pushing for even harder and tougher regulations. But McCain opposed expanding the SCHIP children’s health insurance program for 5.8 million children because it would increase tobacco taxes.
6. SPENDING INCREASES: Palin said Obama is is proposing “nearly a trillion dollars in new spending,” but didn’t mention that he has also proposed cuts to balance it out, an attack CNN has already debunked as “misleading” and that ignores the far larger cost of McCain’s tax cuts and spending hikes.
7. HEALTH CARE: Palin claimed Obama’s health plan is “government run” which has been widely debunked as a “canard.”
8. HEALTH CARE. Palin says taxes wouldn’t go up under the McCain health care plan, a fact even his own campaign has acknowledged isn’t true.
9. TROOPS: Palin repeated what the AP called the “highly misleading” attack that Obama opposed funding for the troops, and Factcheck.org notes that the same methodology would lead to the same conclusion for McCain.
10. GLOBAL WARMING: Palin said “I don’t want to argue about the causes” for global warming, when she has clearly taken the position that she doesn’t not believe it is man-made.
11. MCCAIN IS CONSISTENT: Palin said McCain” doesn’t tell one thing to one group and then turns around and tells something else to another group,” when that is exactly what he has done on immigration, telling Hispanic leaders he was for comprehensive reform instead of the enforcement focused approach he has taken with conservatives.
12. MCCLELLAN NOT MCKIERNAN: Palin referred to the US commander in Afghanistan, David McKiernan as “McClellan.”
13. MCKIERNAN ON “SURGE:” Palin said that [McKiernan] did not say a surge wouldn’t work in Afghanistan, when just yesterday he said “The word I don’t use for Afghanistan is ‘surge,’ ” McKiernan stressed, saying that what is required is a “sustained commitment” to a counterinsurgency effort that could last many years and would ultimately require a political, not military, solution
14. KILLING CIVILIANS. Palin said “Obama had said that all we’re doing in Afghanistan is air raiding villages and killing civilians and such a reckless, reckless comment and untrue comment again hurts our cause. That’s not what we are doing there.” Unfortunately, the Associated Press says that Obama was right in discussing a critically important point about avoiding civilian casualties.
15. TEACHING: Palin said we need to make sure “that education in either one of our agendas, I think, absolute top of the line,” when McCain has repeatedly favored tax cuts for the wealthy over funds for more teachers and class size reduction.
16. PARTISAN APPOINTMENTS: Palin said “You do what I did as governor. And you appoint people regardless of party affiliation. Democrats, independents, Republicans, you walk the walk, don’t just talk the talk” when she repeatedly appointed friends and supporters to positions for which they weren’t qualified.
17. FOCUS ON CLIMATE CHANGE: Palin falsely claimed that she was the first governor to form a climate change subcabinet, when at least 28 states had already taken action.
18. DARFUR DIVESTMENT: Palin claimed that “when I and others” found out that the state had money invested in Sudan that “we called for divestment,” when the reality is that Palin’s appointees worked to kill a Darfur divestment plan.

Oh, gosh, sunshine voter…you’re amazing! And if everyone in the world were just like you, the world would be a better place!
You and Caribou Barbie!
Pfffffftttttt…..
Why don’t you get off it? Everyone is dealing the same circumstances. You grow up.

That shout out last night was a total disgrace. Woman this is a VP debate for the election of the next president of the United States of America. Your shout out belongs in a town carnival or local hockey mom ring. How low class can she behave just to pretend to be like us? Who else was left with an open jaw on this one?

Your report doesn’t even make sense. Biden is saying that he and Obama support allowing judges to essentially rewrite mortgages (which by the way, would absolutely destroy the entire mortgage industry… They are essentially giving judges the power to say “No, he can’t afford this, so we will just change what this house is worth so they can stay in it.” So essentially, I should go buy a million dollar home on my $30,000/yr salary and then just file for bankruptcy, allowing me to keep my million dollar home, but devaluing the home to $100000… Yea, thats a great idea). Gwen asked Palin if she/mccain don’t support that idea, she said no but gave no additional detail as to what they specifically dont support. Also, her response was based on the original question, which was Do you support the idea of making bankruptcy harder to file for. When I heard Biden’s answer to this question, I jumped out of my seat and yelled in outrage and the Democrats desire to turn America into a socialist/fascist country. Thank you for your irresponsible reporting.

After the debate, I was worried that some Americans would fall into the “wink, wink” trap set by Governor Palin. I am comforted to know that so many want a thoughtful, intelligent person as VP. When I want a car, I buy a car, not a picture of a car. Substance and detail is important. Palin had talking points and a lot of words memorized, but there was little thought behind any of it. Republican or Democrat, we deserve the best of the choices we have for public office. “Freshness” is no absolute qualifier for anything except fruit, meat and vegetables.

“They are essentially giving judges the power to say “No, he can’t afford this, so we will just change what this house is worth so they can stay in it.”"
No, that’s not what they would be doing. It could possibly mean adjusting the mortgage to what the house is actually worth, so that they don’t owe more on the house than it is worth. Or it could just mean re-structuring the financing and interest rate so that the payments are affordable.
And the point is….why do the current bankruptcy laws allow for restructuring the debt on assets other than the primary residence? That right there negates your whole argument.
Why are right wingers so bad at examples and annecdotal “evidence”?

Palin was remarkable…at sticking to her script and mastering the art of the non-answer. She deviated from the questions and only ventured into territory that McCain’s debate camp force-fed her with facts about. Biden, on the other hand, seemed genuinely knowledgeable and ready.

The bar was set pretty low for Palin. All she had to do to exceed expectations was to not wet herself onstage.
Joe Biden won the debate, if measured in terms of substance, knowledge of relevant issues, foreign relations, national security, taxes, and trustworthiness.
If you measure performance in terms of who entertained you best, flirted with you, did this creepy folksie bit and showed they were “Maverick” enough to not have to answer questions on issues they couldn’t defend, then you betcha! Sarah Sixpack is your girl.

I am so sorry that the public bought the media spin.If you love this land you must face up to the blame shared by all. Greed rules and truth did a holiday some time ago. God is in charge so evil will lose. Pray this will happen soon.

Last night’s debate proved that PALIN IS ALL SOUND BITE, NO SUBSTANCE. Republicans are willing to dumb themselves down in order to support this woman! That’s not putting country first.
She has no depth and they have no qualms.
She didn’t answer many of the questions that were posed to her. Instead, she repeatedly pivoted back to her over-used talking points. She called the commander of the NATO-led security assistance force in Afghanistan “McClellan” instead of his name General David McKiernan, and her answers were often vague.
Again…ALL SOUND BITE, NO SUBSTANCE.
Peggy Noonan was on Don & Roma this morning supporting Palin. However, while praising Palin’s performance, Noonan declared that Palin “is not a thinker”, but is about action. “Not a thinker????” Who wants to elect someone to one of the highest offices in the land who is not particularly adept at “thinking”? Apparently, the republicans.

She has Fascist impulses.

All I know is that CNN took a look at the relative costs of the PLANS that McCain and Obama had for all the Health, Housing and other items on their manifestos, and the cost was:
McCain – over 300 billion
Obama – about 18 billion.
Seems that Obama is the way to go to keep costs low…he obviously knows how he is going to fund these programs without overtaxing the middle class, and that is ok for me.

She avoided almost all the questions. She didn’t freak out and run out of the hall; I guess that’s good enough for her.

I can’t read all these posts, but some of you make very good sense and some of you are just plain stupid. As far as either Palin or Biden answering specifically to a question, they did not have the time. Believe it or not, 3 minutes is not time to answer a national issue question. Each of them had to fill in their best answer or they would have been cut off and then they would have sounded even less informed.

Korry,
This country would be a better place if people acted responsibly and stopped expecting the “grownups” to take care of them. I guess when you’re used to getting handouts you start expecting them. How self-centered to not realize what a burden you are to the rest of us. If you really cared about this country you would step up to the plate, take responsibility for your own mistakes, and learn from them. Mature adults take responsiblity for their actions.

WELCOME TO THE GREAT REPUBLICAN RECESSION!!

Welllll Goooolllly! I do beleive we have a new language dog gone it. Rather than learning Spanish or French our kids will be experts in PALINESE…YOU BETCHA!!!!

this is serious stuff we’re addressing. Can’t citizens examine and discuss the issues?

Palin talked like she was particiapting in the inteview portion of a beauty contest, not in a contest for Vice President, and being one heartbeat away from being commander in chief. If this hayseed were to become President, the United States would become the laughingstock of the whole world.

Sunshine,
I totally agree that we need grownups and that people shouldn’t receive handouts from government. That is why the child president Bush and his hugging partner Senator McCain will be sent packing come election day. The incompetent and greedy CEO’s whom the Republican Party enabled to rape the economy will be prosecuted and, going forward properly regulated. These CEO’s are getting millions even now as their companies go under! Meanwhile their employees lose their jobs, their houses and their health insurance!
The Republican Party has completely screwed the country just like they did once before by causing the Great Depression. Let’s hope that destroying your country twice will be enough for the American people and they will put the failed ideology of Conservatism in the dustbin of history alongside Fascism and Communism where it belongs.

Palin was more likeable, but Biden more knowledgeable. You can’t just change the rules (which both parties agreed to beforehand) in the middle of the debate, and choose not to even address the question the moderator asked. That actually made Palin appear much less prepared. She had her specific talking points she was coached on, and could not go off those talking points to give specific answers to specific issues.
To me, this election is not about Obama, or McCain, or Palin, or Biden. It’s about the entire party in charge. It’s about changing the leadership of every area of government. The President is really just a figurehead. Their main role is appointing the people in each area. That is what is required right now. We need a new Treasury Secretary. We need a new head of the FDA keeping our food and drugs safe. We need a new SEC Chairman to oversee Wall Street. We need a more moderate Supreme Court. We need more Democrats in Congress so they have a real majority and can pass legislation without obstruction. It goes way beyond just changing the President and Vice President.

frightened,
You’re right, this is serious. There were two parties that let this happen, not one. The Republicans were too dogmatic to accept that Reagan’s “trickle-down” was a fable, and Democrats were too spineless to denounce the failure of free-market anarchy. So why do we keep going back to the same people that take bribes from and lick the boots of Robber Barons?
Republicans and Democrats are ALL in the tank.
VOTE INDEPENDENT!!

Hey Neocons:
Now that the jury’s in on market anarchism (deregulation), what does your blustering, fat, druggie leader (Rush Limbaugh) have to say about the economic policies he’s made a career out of spouting off about?
Talk about drinking the kool aid!

Gwen Ifill and Joe Biden should both apologize to Palin for interrupting her scripted talking points speech. Ifill rudely interrupted Palin with distracting questions, and Joe kept talking about middle-class bullcrap.

SURPRISE…SURPRISE…..
Sarah Palin doesn’t know or understands her running mates position on an issue and so McCain has to correct her.
Sound familiar??? Hmmm…lets think. Cheese Steak anyone?
Let’s get real here. Even if you say Barack isn’t ready (which he is) at least he has Joe Biden right there to be his confidant.
Do you really think McCain is going to sit down with Palin regarding the a major political crisis and say “what are your thoughts?”
She will be somewhere being the White House representative at a lot of charity events.

“It was the Democrats under Clinton who set up the “give them a loan even if they can’t afford it” policy. They then pressured banks to give loans to unqualified buyers under a quota
system.”
It’s not true that the Community Reinvestment Act, and the enhancements made to it have caused the subprime mortgage meltdown.
“In congressional testimony in 2008, University of Michigan law professor Michael S. Barr, a Treasury Department official under President Bill Clinton,[30][31] stated that a Federal Reserve survey showed that affected institutions considered CRA loans profitable and not overly risky. He noted that approximately half of the subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not regulated by the CRA. Twenty-five to thirty percent came from only partially CRA regulated bank subsidiaries and affiliates. He stated that institutions fully regulated by CRA made “perhaps” one in four sub-prime loans. Referring to CRA and abuses in the subprime market, Michael Barr stated that in his judgment “the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight”. [32]
In a Bank for International Settlements (“BIS”) working paper, economist Luci Ellis concluded that “there is no evidence that the Community Reinvestment Act was responsible for encouraging the subprime lending boom and subsequent housing bust.”"
Maybe, sunshine voter, you should do some itelligent and impartial research, rather than just spewing right wing drivel because it sooths your sensibilities.

According to Janet L. Yellen, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, independent mortgage companies made “high-priced loans” at more than twice the rate of the banks and thrifts. She states that most CRA loans have been responsibly made, and are not the higher-priced loans that have contributed to the current crisis.[34]
In 2008, Traiger & Hinckley LLP, a law firm that counsels financial services entities on CRA compliance, conducted a study of loans made by institutions covered under the CRA. The study found that CRA regulated institutions were less likely to make subprime loans, and when they did the interest rates were lower. CRA banks were also half as likely to resell the loans to other parties.

Why aren’t they replacing the bias T Brokaw for the next debate. I know he’s NBC’s liasion to the McCain camp so McCain will not have any problem with this moderator. Turned to Dodgers vs Cubs when Palin said that she wouldn’t answer questions of the moderator or Biden. Talking points only shows how inept she really is.

OBAMA IS THE “GOLDEN BOY” SELECTED BY THE DNC AND BIASED MEDIA.
I watched the debate between Governor Palin (5 weeks of national debate experience) versus Senator Biden (35 years of national debate experience).
Obviously, she is a quick study. Just imagine what she will be like after four years as vice president! She has been a Mayor and a Governor. She is more qualified than anyone running.
John McCain showed great judgment in choosing her.
It’s too bad the DNC and biased media didn’t “select” Biden or Hillary. OBAMA HAS BASED HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN ON LIES. HE HAS TOO MANY TIES TO TERRORISTS AND ANTI-AMERICANS. DON’T FORGET “God Damn America” JEREMIAH WRIGHT, PFLEGER, FARRAKHAN, AYERS, REZKO (TO NAME A FEW). BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A DANGER TO OUR COUNTRY. Obama’s ties to organizations like “ACORN” caused much of the country’s mortgage foreclosure issues. ACORN IS UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR “VOTER FRAUD” IN MANY STATES! Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
I’m voting for the Honorable John McCain in November.
STOP THE DRAMA – NO OBAMA!
GET A BRAIN – VOTE McCAIN!

To: replace do-nothing dems. It’s okay honey. The guys in the white coats will be back to get you soon.

A September 30, 1999 New York Times article stated, “… the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans… The action… will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough… Fannie Mae… has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people… borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough… Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk… the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble… prompting a government rescue… the move is intended in part to increase the number of… home owners who tend to have worse credit ratings…”
In July 1993 President Clinton asked regulators to reform the CRA in order to reduce paperwork and reward performance. The CRA regulations were substantially revised and featured requiring numerical assessments to get a satisfactory CRA rating; using federal home-loan data broken down by neighborhood, income group, and race; encouraging community groups to complain when banks were not loaning enough to specified neighborhood, income group, and race; allowing community groups that marketed loans to targeted groups to collect a fee from the banks. During March 1995 congressional hearings William A. Niskanen, chair of the Cato Institute, criticized the proposals for political favoritism in allocating credit, micromanagement by regulators and overriding concerns about bank losses and soundness, predicting they would be very costly to the economy. He predicted the primary long term effect would be to contract the banking system and recommended congress repeal the Act.
Looks like Niskanen was right.

“Looks like Niskanen was right.”
Actually he wasn’t. And the investigation in 2008 proved as much.
Since when are predictions fact, evidence or proof?
The CRA did not contribute to subprime mortgage meltdown.
You’re just plain wrong.

“The word is spelled “opinons”"
Actually, it’s spelled “opinions.” :)

There’s still time to support a real Republican candidate for Vice President. Support Peter for Vice President. http://peter-for-vice-president.blogspot.com/2008/09/my-candidacy-for-vice-presidency.html

Remember back in high school there were unpopular kids who thought they were cool? Remember how they would keep telling everybody how cool they were? Guess what? Cool people don’t have tell others that they are cool they just are cool and the same goes for mavericks and no matter how much uncool people insist they are cool it doesn’t make it so. If you truly are a maverick your actions will speak to that trait but when you point it out a hundred times a day it diminishes the claim because a maverick wouldn’t care if people thought they were a maverick but a politician wanting to appear like a maverick will be incredibly concerned about people being aware that they should consider that politician a maverick.
John McCain of 2000 was a maverick when he stood up to the fundamentalists by calling them agents of intolerance but today he embraces pastors who call Catholicism the great whore of Babylon and picked a VP who believes in witches and that humans lived at the same time with dinosaurs and that the Earth is only 6000 years old–something never said in the Bible anywhere; the 6000 number comes from adding up all the ages in so and so begat so and so parts of the Bible. He was a maverick when he called the 2002 Bush tax cuts for billionaires reckless (if tax cuts truly stimulated the economy we should be booming now!) but in 2008 he wants to extend those same reckless cuts forever while not giving one penny in relief to over 100,000,000 American households. Those aren’t the moves of a maverick they are the moves of a politically expedient flip flopper.
And more importantly, the economy grows much stronger when Democrats are in the White House and that is an undeniable fact. In the last century only 1 Democratic President did not beat the Republican average and guess what? That was during the Great Depression, another economic meltdown created by deregulating Republicans who thought out of control greed and selfishness was the best way to regulate the economy. These aren’t liberal lies these are statistics that prove that average Americans do far better under Democratic Presidents than Republicans Presidents as does the stock market and employment growth figures so if your mains concerns are economic the choice is clear: go with the party that improves the economy the Democratic party. You cannot spin yourself out of the facts. And if you Republicans are brave enough to examine the facts provided by the link below make sure you notice how tiny the sliver in the budget pie chart is allocated to the dreaded and over hyped earmarks. Even if 100% of the earmarks were banned it would barely be a drop in the bucket regarding the overall budget. Oh yeah, that Wall Street rescue plan that McCain voted for was chock full of earmarks and pork and I didn’t hear him say no when it was time for him to vote for it. Now that’s maverickness!
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/09/notes-to-self-f.html

As palin said clearly, She did not answer to Joe or the moderator, it seems, she thinks that American public don’t give a $$$$ about the fact.

“Why are you citing Acorn as authority? Acorn is a pro-Obama group that has been accused of voter fraud in several states. Obama worked for Acorn. Acorn was part of the cause in the financial mess by forcing banks to make loans to people who couldn’t afford them, by threatening law suits.”
Bologna. They are not part of the current financial mess. That’s BS propagated by right wingers who want to deflect blame from where it belongs.
Most of the subprime mortgages that are the root of the current financial crisis came from independent mortgage companies. The CRA and ACORN have very little to do with it.
And there’s nothing wrong with any organization being pro-Obama.

Well said Hockey Mom 14. Palin is also a poor excuse for a mayor, governor and vice president…Do we really need to repeat the mistake we made with Bush.

I’ll be glad when this pathetic charade is over, and John McCain and Sarah Palin can load up a sled and go Moose hunting together: two mavericks, riding across the melting tundra.
The very suggestion that Palin or McCain should be on the ticket of a major party is an insult to a nation that has endured 8 years of simplistic, lying, incompetent, narrow-minded “leadership.”

You can thank Barney Frank and the other Democratic leadership for setting up low income housing loans to people who were not qualified to make mortgage payments. The problem with the mortgage crisis today is due to these low income mortgages through Freddie and Fannie. To top it off, Biden in the debate said that we should drop the low beat’s interest rate and write off part of their mortgage loans so they can stay in their homes. Let them rent if they cannot afford their homes! I am sick and tired of dealing with the Democrat and Obama led giveaways! Throw the Democrat bums out of office including Obama and Biden.

I can agree to disagree with right-wingers but the b.s. about the “liberal media” is scary because it has been repeated so many times by the right that average people have bought into it (so much so, that even some centrist people think FOX news [the right's propaganda arm in the U.S.] is unbiased). The fact is that most of the news media in the U.S. are owned by a handful of international corporations and nearly all of their advertisers (where most of their money comes from) are big corporations. They aren’t pro-Democrat or pro-Republican. They are pro-big business–meaning, they will buy the help of any politician willing to help them in return (not because corporations are evil but because their job is to maximize profits to shareholders). Both Republicans and Democrats have been very willing to do this, and increasingly so over the years, because it costs such vast amounts of money to win an election. However, I do think that Republicans, on average, tend to be more helpful to big corporations (e.g., giving tax breaks to them). Many journalists may tend toward the center or left though–and some of their center- or left-leaning bias might make it through the pro-corporation editorial filter but the big stuff (e.g., presidential election coverage) doesn’t. It’s hard to debate people when the debate itself is a false one, manufactured by big corporations with no allegiance to anyone but their CEOs and stock-holders. The whole debate about “socialism” versus freedom, democracy, Americana, or whatever is also b.s. Take a trip to ANY other industrialized, “first-world” country (but especially one in Scandinavia)and be amazed at their democratic freedom, health care, the nice houses, cars, etc. they have, etc. Sad news, America isn’t the best country in the world. We’re all just people and America is a great country, full of good people and beautiful landscapes but quit peddling your nationalistic b.s. just because you heard it on FOX.

Palin BS – distortions and lies.
Obama Plan Raise Taxes on Middle Class?:
Governor Palin claims Obama’s plan would increase taxes on the middle class, saying tonight, “Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year- that’s a lot of middle income average American families. To increase taxes on them, I think that is the way to kill jobs and continue to harm our economy.”
This is a distortion.
Obama voted for two non-binding resolutions that would have rolled back the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, not to raise taxes. And at $42,000, Obama’s tax plan actually gives greater tax cuts to these middle class families than McCain’s.
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McCain’s Health Care Plan:
Palin claims McCain’s health care plan is budget neutral, saying tonight, “He’s proposing a $5000 tax credit for families so that they can get out there and they can purchase their own health care coverage. And that’s a smart thing to do-that’s budget neutral. That doesn’t cost the government anything, as opposed to Barack Obama’s plan to mandate health care coverage and have this universal government-run program.”
The fact is most economists fear McCain’s refundable tax credits will actually result in deficit spending.
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Obama Voting 94 times To Increase Taxes?:
Sarah Palin: “Barack Obama had 94 opportunities to side on the people’s side and reduce taxes and 94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction. 94 times.”
The facts on this have been widely commented on since the Republican National Committee began using this erroneous fact in July of this year. Of the 94 votes, 23 did not increase taxes were votes against proposed cuts. Seven of the votes were offset votes, calling for taxes for some, but less taxes for others. Some measures had more than one vote, which compounds the number. According to non-partisan http://www.FactCheck.org, 53 of 94 votes were budget measures that had nothing to do with raising taxes.
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sarah says she didn’t raise taxes ?
Sarah Palin Pushed to Raise Taxes as Mayor of Wasilla:
Palin said: “As mayor every year I was in office I did reduce taxes.”
When she was mayor Sarah Palin successfully pushed for a referendum to raise local sales taxes to pay for a multi-use sports complex. In a Wasilla City Hall memo obtained by CBS News, Palin said it made sense to raise taxes because there was strong support for the hockey rink, the private sector had failed to step in and because it would be good to use government money to prevent social problems instead of spending money to try and fix them.
Palin MORE THAN DOUBLED taxes on Alaskan oil production causing a severe decline in production.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html

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Gosh, so many people with so much to say. Not like we haven’t heard all this before, ad nauseam. I dislike Palin for many reasons, but I’m not voting for a vice president. I’m voting for a president. None of the candidates would be my first choice, but it’s clear that McCain is doing exactly what he accused his party of doing: choosing power over principle. After researching his Navy career and discovering the truth about his service, I lost almost all respect for McCain. Even his being shot down is mostly his fault by not taking evasive action when he was alerted that a SAM had locked onto his aircraft. He went for the target anyway, taking a huge risk and losing the gamble. Is this the kind of judgment we want? A guy who is willing to sacrifice an aircraft, a mission, his own life for personal glory? Then he manages to turn it into some kind of mantle of superiority. A honest-to-god celebrity. Give us a break. Research this yourself. I’m not making it up. If you want Palin, vote McCain. Make sure you’re in the mood for a war with Iran, because if McCain wins, we’re going to war! Vote Obama and donate to his campaign!

OK, so GOVERNOR Palin made one mistake. Now, why don’t we report on the 22+ lies that Joe Biden perpetrated in the same debate. He’s got a heck of a lot more years in this game and should be a bit better prepped. Must be the fact that he’s gotten away with it for 36 years that he feels he can continue to do so. Absolutely nothing to do with the electioneering-for-Obama media always looking the other way.