By Natalie Gewargis

Oct 21, 2008 1:53pm

Palin on the Pending Crises ‘President Obama’ May Face

In Reno, Nev., today, Governor Sarah Palin attacked both Sens. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and his running mate Joe Biden, D-Del., for Biden’s remarks the other night. (More on those remarks HERE.)

"First, did you hear what Sen. Biden said at a fundraiser on Sunday?" Palin said. "He guaranteed that if Barack Obama is elected, we will face an international crisis within the first six months of their administration.  He told — he told his Democrat donors to mark his words –- that there were ‘at least four or five scenarios’ that would place our country at risk in an Obama administration. I guess we got to say, ‘well, thanks for the warning, Joe!’"

Palin noted that Biden "didn’t specify what those four or five scenarios will be, but for clues, let’s review the Obama foreign policy agenda to find out what maybe this would be. So, our opponent wants to sit down with the world’s worst dictators. With no preconditions, he’s proposing to meet with a regime in Tehran that vows to wipe Israel off the Earth. Now, let’s call that crisis scenario number one.

"Now, Sen. Obama proposing too having advocated sending our U.S. military into Pakistan without the approval of the Pakistani government. Invading the sovereign territory of a troubled partner in the war against terrorism. We gotta call that scenario number two. OK, then. He opposed the surge strategy that has finally brought victory in Iraq within sights. Yes. Our opponent voted to cut off funding for our troops, leaving our young men and women at grave risk in the war zone. He wants to pull out, leaving some 25 million Iraqis at the mercy of an Iranian-supported Shiite extremist groups and al Qaeda in Iraq. By his own admission, this could mean our troops would have to go back to Iraq. That’s crisis scenario number three. And then, after the Russian army invaded the nation of Georgia, Sen. Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence — the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next. That’s crisis scenario number four.

"But I guess the looming crisis that most worries the Obama campaign right now is Joe Biden’s next speaking engagement. Let’s call that crisis scenario number five."

– Jake Tapper and Imtiyaz Delawala

User Comments

“But I guess the looming crisis that most worries the Obama campaign right now is Joe Biden’s next speaking engagement. Let’s call that crisis scenario number five.”
you have to love her

Posted by: smith | October 21, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

ROFLMAO.
Way to go McCain, have your unqualified VP talk about scary hypotheticals!

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Good for her.
btw, she would have gotten hounded for saying something like Biden said. It’s good to see her be able to use Obama/Biden’s own material against them.

Posted by: MayBee | October 21, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

Gallup (Registered): Obama +11
Gallup (Expanded Likely): Obama +10
Gallup (Traditional Likely): Obama +7
Reuters/CSPAN/Zogby: Obama +8
Obama is trending up, could this be the Powell effect?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

PALIN IS LIKE A GUTTER RAT… THEY EAT OF WHAT EVER CRUMBS AND SROPPED IN THERE PATH!!
MCCAIN PALIN NO BRAIN NO CLASS NO GOOD FOR THE AMERICCAN PEOPLE!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

Yeesh… Palin’s kind of dense.
If you look at the laws of probability and the state of the world, it is inevitable that ANYONE elected president is going to have to face an international crisis within the first 6 months.
Does she think Biden is like Nostradamus, prediciting that Obama’s election was going to cause an international incident? She reads too much Left Behind.

Posted by: blip | October 21, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

“Our enemies wouldn’t dare attack us with McCain at the helm.”
Why not? McCain has shown he has no idea how to react to a crisis.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

Concerned… you are probably right… our enemy, Spain, would NEVER attack us with McCain at the helm.

Posted by: blip | October 21, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

“But I guess the looming crisis that most worries the Obama campaign right now is Joe Biden’s next speaking engagement. Let’s call that crisis scenario number five.”
I don’t even like Palin, but that’s funny. Can we replace Joe the Gaffer with Hillary?

Posted by: DK | October 21, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Sarah…. it’s over!!! Let’s go people…get out there and VOTE Obama. The time is NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama 08

Posted by: Tanya | October 21, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Obama…we’ll be there come Nov. 4th!!!!!!!! Home they can keep count! YEAH!!!

Posted by: Tanya | October 21, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

you might say she’s a quick study, eh?

Posted by: Stef | October 21, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Strange that Florida and Ohio don’t seem to be trending with Gallup Poll.

Posted by: SandyB | October 21, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

FEAR AND SEMAR ITS THE REPUBLICAN WAY!
BORING IM VOTING FOR THE SMART GUY!
OBAMA 08
FEAR…NOT THIS TIME!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

I guess if she read the news she would have noted that the White House contacted both campaigns transition teams, and the FBI has started background checks on the campaign staffers, to mitigate against an attack which they say usually happens at transition, like with Gordon Brown in the UK. She left out the part where he said Obama is made of steel, and that’s why he’s giving MCCain a run for his money. They have spent their entire campaign attacking Obama instead of educating the country about their plans. McCain can’t even find his way off a stage and has to have someone behind him, wife, daughter, Palin or Lieberman, because he’s so out of touch.Scenario one, McCain is sick and Palin stands in…Iran says I’m going to bomb Israel and her response “You betcha!”

Posted by: Donna | October 21, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

At least she didnt say that Putin would “rear his head”! As if shes speaking of the metaphorical devil. Shes a christian religious nutbag. She is the one who will bring about the end of the world because she wants it to happen.

Posted by: mitch | October 21, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

Crisis #1 for America = McCain/Palin Administration

Posted by: Already Voted | October 21, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Wouldn’t dare attack under a republican administration? How soon we forget.
Palin forgets to mention that our own government agencies have said it’s not a matter of ‘if’.. it’s a matter of when.
McCain/Palin reponse? Shut off all communications with those we deem to be against us.

Posted by: MsSwin | October 21, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

I think what Biden was pointing out was a pattern. AlQuedea attacked the Trade Centers not long after Clinton was elected and did the same with Bush. I will talk a chance with No Drama Obama over McCain and Palin any day. We can only fight a war on so many fronts.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Now, John McCain said we’d be greeted as liberators once we had invaded Iraq. But I guess he kinda got that one wrong, doggone it.

Posted by: Uncle Sam | October 21, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Does anyone really take Sarah Palin seriously? Every day, in every way, she more closely resembles Michael Palin doing a comedy sketch.

Posted by: Tom J | October 21, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

I’m an Obama supporter, but Joe Biden is an IDIOT!!! What in the hell does he mean it is a ‘fact’ this will happen. What do these fools know that nobody else does? Biden should be investigated by the FBI for threatening a terrorist attack. If he knows something is up, he needs to spill the beans. How in the hell would he know a ‘crisis’ is going to happen, FOR SURE? That is a bunch of garbage. Biden is a complete fool. Obama should have never picked him.

Posted by: Eric | October 21, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

Mitch – “Shes a christian religious nutbag.” PLEASE Please do not call that hate filled woman a Christian. She is so full of hate she could not fit Gods love in her heart if she tried.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

Mitch – “Shes a christian religious nutbag.” PLEASE Please do not call that hate filled woman a Christian. She is so full of hate she could not fit Gods love in her heart if she tried.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

This woman needs to SU.

Posted by: Sunil | October 21, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

Couldn’t the same be said about a McCain presidency in the first few months?
Either way, I’m not sure if this is a winning angle for McCain-Palin. Voters have digested whatever “risks” Obama poses and accepted them. Look at the polls and you’ll see that voters are more comfortable with Obama’s experience level and ability to be president more than ever before.

Posted by: matt | October 21, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

Sarah said yesterday that the VP helps the senate formulate bills and legislation. She’s looking forward to helping senators write the laws.
This dolt doesn’t know what the VP does.

Posted by: doug | October 21, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

Have you seen her latest question and answer session. She was asked by a third grader what the vice president does. She got the answer wrong. Does that surprise anyone? This woman needs to go back from whence she came and never rear her head again.

Posted by: jane | October 21, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

BO’s VP nominee is admitting that electing BO would be an invitation to the rogue states of the world to test his resolve. His positions, as elequently detailed by Gov Palin in this speech, indicate that he will not stand up to the test. BO’s supporters on this blog respond with “Palin is a Gutter Rat.” When in doubt the formula is (1) personally attack Gov Palin (2) spew the BO campaign talking points (95% get a tax cut) and (3) cite a liberal propagandist poll that indicates that a ridiculous sampling shows voters are souring on McCain’s “attacks”. Love you libs!

Posted by: steve | October 21, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

Palin is an idiot! No one except her sheep-following would believe that the way she twisted Biden’s words is the way he meant them. Obama & Biden know that this country is in crisis on many fronts, and that is what he refers to. Palin is so clueless – she has no understanding whatsoever of the perils we face. (But to give her some credit, it’s not likely she wrote the speech she just gave, so maybe they weren’t her ideas) Does she have ideas?

Posted by: Anna | October 21, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

The only rogue state is Alaska. AIP

Posted by: doug | October 21, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

Palin is the very last person that should be attacking Obama on crisis that he should face. Not even Colin Powell thinks that she is qualified.

Posted by: David | October 21, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

I just looooooooooooooooove Sarah Palin. If I planned on having more children, I’d name them all after her. Today, one of those people called me about voting for Biden, and when I asked him what Joe meant at that now infamous fundraising event, he replied that he’d like to know, too. He was nice enough, but still ignorant. It was soooo funny.

Posted by: Kitty | October 21, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Actually, I agree it’s entirely feasible. But it wouldn’t matter who was in office. Bear with me:
1) 1993, WTC hit, first year of Clinton’s term.
2) 2001, WTC hit, first year of Bush’s term.
I haven’t heard anything about Al Queda in recent months. No major tapes released, unless I’ve missed it in the news.
Makes me wonder, why is Al Queda so quiet? Were they this quiet prior to 1993 and 2001? I honestly don’t remember.
Could they be gearing up for a new attack after the Inauguration? Is is possible that they don’t really care who’s President, but want to try to embarrass the new one?
I don’t know what Biden meant when he made that statement. However, I do agree that another attack is likely, but only for the reasons I’ve put forward.
God Forbid!

Posted by: This is SO Old | October 21, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

I haven’t heard anything about Al Queda in recent months
it’s the SURGE.

Posted by: Nat Turner | October 21, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

Imagine her with the codes to our nuclear weapons

Posted by: watching | October 21, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

McCain is a 72 year old man with 4 bouts of melanoma which is the most deadly form whose VP most Republicans thinks is unqualified is saying this stuff?
She is exactly the WRONG spokesperson to be saying this.
Watching her say this just reminds people just how unqualified she is.

Posted by: Karen | October 21, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

Doug etal – I guess this means Sarah will never be on Jeff Foxworthy’s Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader? I thought she took the cake with the Prozac comment when asked about the economic depression by Katie Couric. Man, there is green and the there is alian green. Give me A green Obama any day. At least he thinks before opening his mouth.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

Palin cant even take on Couric hows she going to handle a crissis ?
Obama 08

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

jennyromegeorgia, Sorry Jen, I meant “Extremist right wing christian wannabe nutbag” No offense to all the good christians out there.

Posted by: mitch | October 21, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

Thanks watching I will add that to my nightmares list. All the moose better look out.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

“Strange that Florida and Ohio don’t seem to be trending with Gallup Poll.”
Actually they are with the exception of a FoxNews poll.
Obama went from a slight deficit in late Sept to a slight lead now in both states.
FL & OH may not matter this election given Obama’s strong showing in the other swing states and his ability to hold onto the Kerry states.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

McCain campaign DRAGS AMERICAN FLAG along the ground.

Posted by: Real Americans? | October 21, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

Sarah makes us laugh. She mouths whatever is written and put in front of her. Don’t think she understands what she is reading especially on foreign affair.
Anyone takes what she says seriously ought to have his/her head examine or go back to school to learn the critical thinking skills that are so under-developed, yet vital for a successful democratic society.

Posted by: educator | October 21, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

I am amused at how everyone attributes these comments to Palin personally. These comments come from the McCain campaign via a number of very skilled speechwriters who loaded them into her teleprompter. Until Governor Palin can articulate and defend her comments unscripted to the press, at least as much as Joe the Plumber, it is buying into the lie that these articulate and deviously misleading attacks came from her.
McCain, Obama, Biden – these guys own their talking points; they can defend them against any questioner hostile or not (be it the “liburl media” “Faux News” or Joe the Plumber). Palin refuses to show she has that basic ability to own the attacks she reads by her historically unprecedented fear of giving press conferences.

Posted by: jhw539 | October 21, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

I too believe we could face some very daunting realities, not BECAUSE of Obama’s presidency, but rather BECAUSE this is a very serious time in history ON EVERY FRONT.
I sincerely believe that is why Americans, real or unreal, in Palin’s estimation, are rejecting her candidacy.
This is not the time for goofy games, division, or political trickery. The international world would UNDOUBTEDLY, test American’s judgement if we elected, as I read in the Israeli news, the “angry man and the dimwit”.
The world is watching folks.
Who puts someone down for possessing intellect? The Republicans- you betcha.

Posted by: arealAmerican | October 21, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

McCain/Palin Crisis……….
McCain: Hey Sara.
Sarah: What?
McCain: Quick call Joe the Plumber!
Sarah: Why?
McCain: Because all our BullCrap has clogged up the entire Whitehouse and Nation.

Posted by: Your Guide | October 21, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

America’s worst looming crisis: the possibility of a Palin presidency.

Posted by: Pacific moderate | October 21, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

For Jeanie and any others:
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and his advisers are doing their best to brush aside questions — raised in the liberal blogosphere — about whether he is qualified under the Constitution to be president. But many legal scholars and government lawyers say it’s a serious question with no clear answer.
The problem arises from a phrase in the Constitution setting out who is eligible to be president. Article II, which also specifies that a person must be at least 35 years old, says “No person except a natural born Citizen” can be president.
Sen. McCain is undoubtedly a citizen. He was born on Aug. 29, 1936, in the Panama Canal Zone, and Congress has specifically provided that anyone born there of U.S. parents, as he was, is a citizen. Indeed, the general rule is that anyone born of U.S. parents outside the United States is a citizen.
But is John McCain a natural born citizen? The Constitution does not define the term further, and legal scholars say the notes of the Constitution’s drafters shed little light on what they meant. It seems clear only that the founders wanted to make certain that whoever was president would be loyal to the U.S. alone and not to some other country. But the term “natural born citizen,” many scholars say, was not in common use at the time the Constitution was written.
1964, the Supreme Court that “natural born” meant born inside the United States. In an opinion on an unrelated issue, the court observed, “The rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the ‘natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President.” But that language is not legally binding, and the Supreme Court has never ruled on what “natural born” means.
———
Before you ask questions about Obama maybe you should ask why McCain and his camp are pushing these stories!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

WHY NO COMMENT REPUBLICANS.
YOUR CANDIDATE’S CAMPAIGN SHOWED CONTEMPT FOR THE AMERICAN FLAG BY DRAGGING IT ON THE GROUND.
HOW MUCH MORE ANTI-PATRIOTIC AND UN-AMERICAN CAN YOU GET.

Posted by: Real Americans? | October 21, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

I understand that it’s coming down to the final days but if the mud slinging has gotten this bad this far out, imagine what we’re in for the next couple of weeks.

Posted by: erica | October 21, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

Mike NC
“Palin is like a gutter rat”
What an even-handed, thoughtful, non-hate-filled comment about an opponent!
Sorry, she made some good points…
Can’t wait for all that unity under Obama…

Posted by: Wade | October 21, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

Palin stated today that the job of the Vice President is BEING IN CHARGE OF THE SENATE AND “HELPING MAKE POLICY.”
She really doesn’t know what the VP does. Can we all say unqualified together.

Posted by: Real Americans? | October 21, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

While Obama is off in Hawaii — the Obama campaign is selling Chicago election night coverage packages to news outlets.
Obama is a socialist when he talks to the people, but a true unrepentant capitalist when running his own affairs.
Classic liberalism of do what I say, not what I do.
Of course Chris Matthews (thrill up my leg) and Keith will get in free.

Posted by: susie | October 21, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

Cut the woman some slack. Now that the McCain camp has finally taken some of the training wheels off, she is doing a good job. She is at least doing as good a job as Biden and I would argue better.

Posted by: Gwen | October 21, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

What will SNL do after November 4th.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

A spokeswoman for a North Carolina congressman “absolutely denies,” twice, a quote warming up a McCain rally printed by my old colleague Jason Horowitz:
“Liberals hate real Americans that work and accomplish and achieve and believe in God.”
But then The Crypt turns up the audio.
The lesson of which is something about not denying things that are instantly, provably true.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

Susie–
Sen. Obama went to Hawaii to spend time with the woman who raised him. He showed the importance of family by going there.

Posted by: Real Americans? | October 21, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

Ryan C–
As you are so fond of saying—
REPUBLICANS LIE.

Posted by: Real Americans? | October 21, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

“What will SNL do after November 4th.”
Periodically trot out Tina Fey as Palin as a way to wring every last laugh froma no longer recent topic ala Jay Leno and the Judge Ito dancers?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

I am not surprised at the inhuman response the republicans have had to Obama choosing to really suspend his personal campaigning to go spend time with his ill grandmother.
What a nasty bunch of unChristian Anit-Americans we have in that party.

Posted by: Not suprised | October 21, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

And what would you do Miss I can see Russia from my house? that lady wouldnt Know what to do, she doesnt even know the Job of the VP! please,send this airhead back to Alaska where she belongs we lower 48 dont need her!

Posted by: Angie | October 21, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

Yet another GOPer (Wisconsin) comes out for Obama.
The decent folks know when its time to get out of a party that has devolved into something more akin to Nazi Germany.

Posted by: Another One Bites the Dust | October 21, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

The woman whose foreign policy experience consists of living next door to Russia is warning us about Obama/Biden foreign policy? If nothing else, you have to admire the chutzpah!

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 21, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

I would rather be a socialist than a fascist any day of the week.
Winston Churchill was a socialist.
Hitler was a fascist.

Posted by: No Contest | October 21, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

EVEN BIDEN HAS LINGERING DOUBTS ABOUT OBAMA AND THANK YOU JOE, FOR POINTING IT OUT YET AGAIN!!!!
I knew you always wanted to run with Johnny! You respect him more and even said “Obama is not ready” when asked by Stephenopolois. You also said Obama is clean and articulate for an African American. Seems like you and Hillary had it right all along. Thanks guys, that seals the deal…NO VOTE FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: Hopey Uniter, is Dopey Divider | October 21, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

Another One Bites the Dust: “The decent folks know when its time to get out of a party that has devolved into something more akin to Nazi Germany. ”
You need a day off, you’re losing perspective. McCain would be a continuation of Bush’s inept and disastrous policies – no less, no more. Comparing him to the Nazi’s is absurd hyperbole that is untrue and completely unnecessary. Such tasteless exageration is not needed, nor welcome, to make the case for Obama.

Posted by: jhw539 | October 21, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Someone shot a bear cub in the head and stapled Obama signs to it. Seriously. What is wrong with people?
Can anyone say with a straight face that they are PROUD to be a member of this party?
How despicable.

Posted by: Sickos | October 21, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

My God the Lib nuts are so threatened by Gov. Palin’s star shining brighter than their Messiah’s. Palin is a rock star to her Party…..too bad not all Dems are backing BO….still the disenfranchized Hillary supporters out there (me) VOTING McCAIN!
They just said with voter fraud out there it could be a month before we have an answer. I believe it. WHY IS OABMA’S NAME ALL TIED UP WITH ACORN?

Posted by: Hopey Uniter, is Dopey Divider | October 21, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

Socialism is an equalizer by multiplication with zero. Spreading the wealth means killing the wealth.

Posted by: Obama-Yah-Wright | October 21, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

No Contest…
Churchill was a conservative.
Just sayin…look it up

Posted by: Wade | October 21, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Jhw539
I support Obama but that doesn’t mean I am a tree hugging wussie.
It’s time to fight and if you think McCain doesn’t represent fascism you are naive.
Have you been PAYING ATTENTION?????
This goes way beyond Obama, this is our country we are fighting for. These people are talking about MCCARTHYISM. They are putting people on “LISTS.” Donors to a political campaign are being compared to TERRORISTS.
Go preach to someone else.

Posted by: Another One Bites the Dust | October 21, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Does this woman have any Original thoughts, ideas , insights???-
Taking petty digs is all she she has been doing!

Posted by: tkforchange | October 21, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

GUESS WHAT? THE SOCIALISM ARGUMENT IS BULL.
No why? Obama isn’t a socialist. Try educating your ignorant selves and find out what socialism is.

Posted by: Talking Point Idiots | October 21, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

Need I remind you folks that the Nazis were a LEFT-WING movement!!! Not that Obama, Inc. is akin to Nazis, but the point being is the lefty, liberal ideology is far closer to the Nazis than the right. Fact! So save all this McCain-Palin are Nazis BS!!

Posted by: Chairman Maubama | October 21, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

“Drudge and National Review’s Campaign Spot — with a measure of conscious self-parody — link the Nickelodeon Kids poll, which has Obama up only two points.
It’s an online poll. Of kids.
“The Nickelodeon Kids’ Poll is one of those polls that is always interesting to keep an eye on,” writes NR’s Geraghty.”
ROFLMAO!

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

blah blah blah
Nobody cares what Sarah Palin “thinks”.
(I use that term loosely.)

Posted by: Nobodys fool | October 21, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

this just brings the focus onto her own knowledge of world affairs…NONE….and McPain judgement

Posted by: republican for dem ticket | October 21, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

“Need I remind you folks that the Nazis were a LEFT-WING movement!!”
ROFLMAO.
Based on what? The word socialist in their name?
The Nazis were fascists, a right wing mirror to communism in which the state is the dominant power.
I no longer wonder how Bush got elected after running into so many gullible and ignorant right wingers.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

“It’s time to fight and if you think McCain doesn’t represent fascism you are naive.
Have you been PAYING ATTENTION?????
This goes way beyond Obama, this is our country we are fighting for. These people are talking about MCCARTHYISM. They are putting people on “LISTS.” Donors to a political campaign are being compared to TERRORISTS.
Go preach to someone else.”
Now you’re just making stuff up! You libs are amazing at that. Fascism?? You must mean the “Fairness” Doctrine!

Posted by: Chairman Maubama | October 21, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

McCain/Palin are fascists.
Anyone who disagrees isn’t a “real” American.
Anyone who donates to Obama’s campaign is a “terrorist.”
Sounds like fascism to me.

Posted by: Talking Point Idiots | October 21, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

Ryan C., the Nazis were socialists (left-leaning). The Nazis put all the control in the state (left-leaning). The Nazis put controls on the press (left-leaning … fairness doctrine???).
Do you have a point?

Posted by: Chairman Maubama | October 21, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

Chairman Maubama–
Your comment addressed nothing in my post.
Your party is about to go down and forever.
Hope you enjoyed the last 28 years of your little NeoCon party.
Party’s over…

Posted by: ROAD TO NOWHERE | October 21, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

Oh poor little liberals have damage control to do again.
How do they do damage control? They spread their hate. Just like terrorists.
Barack Hussein Obama belongs to a party that has KNOWN terrorists within its ranks. That’s a fact!!

Posted by: Sound the alarm | October 21, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

Chairman – Perhaps the confusion betwen the Nazis and todays Republican party the the tremendeous amount of hatred being spewed forth and directed to anyone that dares question them.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

Dear Mr. “ROAD”
There was nothing to address that held any merit!
Sincerely,
Logic!

Posted by: Chairman Maubama | October 21, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

McCain cried…..”he’s a rock star”
“I want one”….
you got it….THE SCARECROW WITH NO BRAIN

Posted by: no joke | October 21, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

The more I’ve research the facts and mega years of information I have come to the conclusion that it isn’t the DNC’s fault (not that I’m letting them off from their participation in the corruption) but it is Obama and his “Mob” syndicated corruption that has taken over the entire election…..and I mean “mob” in the old sense of the word….syndicated crime and politics of the Old Chicago criminal Politics of crime bosses running the show…it goes so deep and so very long and ingrained that no one can stand up unscathed to them….even Elliot Ness and J Edgar Hoover would have a hard time……….when you have money, power, crime, corruption, politics, communist philosophy, socialist ties, and extreme Radicalism tied together you get one very deadly cocktail. His white Grandfather and friends, and O-ssiah’s youth years are not innocent in the formation of who Obama really is. There is plenty of contributions and blame to go around…….let’s just say that his parents, grandparents, and family weren’t as “mainstream” American as he would like people to believe……it is way too much to be discussed in detail here …..no I’m not saying that they were bad people just different philosophies from the “average” American…but always far Left.

Posted by: HP Boston | October 21, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

This is very disturbing to me.
I was thinking of voting for Obama/Biden until Joe Biden spoke these words.
They make you think. Think so much in fact that I will now vote for McCain.

Posted by: MN Dem | October 21, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

“Chairman – Perhaps the confusion betwen the Nazis and todays Republican party the the tremendeous amount of hatred being spewed forth and directed to anyone that dares question them.
Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga”
So the left isn’t spewing forth hated toward anyone who dares to question them? Ask Joe the Plumber what he thinks of that!!!
Please!!!

Posted by: Chairman Maubama | October 21, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

“Need I remind you folks that the Nazis were a LEFT-WING movement!!!”
National Socialism opposes left-winged social democrats and communist and is anti-Semitic (many socialist are Jewish).
They have more in common with republican senator Bachman than with senator Obama!
Wikipedia

The National Socialists suggested that a lack of patriotism had led to Germany’s defeat (for one, the front line was not on German soil at the time of the armistice). In politics, criticism was directed at the Social Democrats and the Weimar government (Deutsches Reich 1919–1933), which the National Socialists accused of selling out the country.”

Posted by: CLabs | October 21, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

Alarm – “How do they do damage control? They spread their hate. Just like terrorists.”
The Obama supporters are not the ones draping Obama signs over dead animals, allowing their rallys turned into KKK rallys, and spweing hatred at every given oppertunity. Notice I did not say liberals I said Obama supporters.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Joe Biden is a horrible choice.
He sticks his foot in his mouth every time he opens it. The only reason Barry chose him is because he is a sexist and they both hate women.

Posted by: Stick a fork in Barry | October 21, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

“…Does this woman have any original, thoughts, ideas, insights???”
You mean like the ones Biden has??

Posted by: SandyB | October 21, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Hitler was a socialist? Are you kidding? Hitler was a nut. He commited genocide. What exactly does that have to do with socialism? He spread fear and paranoia. He was a crazy dictator.

Posted by: Miki | October 21, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Please tell this “abuse of power” Governor of Alaska to stop telling lies.
I was so excited a woman was chosen.
I soon discovered Sarah Palin is not a person of good honorable moral integrity. she is wonderful at giving speeches. But her total lack of knowledge and inexperience is so evident.
Sarah has lied so much in Alaska. Big law suits will be filed against her in Alaska. She is still under even more investigation there. More complaints. Troopergate is long way from being over!! Legislative investigation found she violated ethics law – abused her power.
Sarah on the Campaign Trail entices hate mongering to her crowds. She lies all the time. She has great god given talent to make people hate. She has gotten crowds quite angry!!
This Republican is saying no to McCain-Palin.

Posted by: Sharonklim | October 21, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

Chair – I have seen no hatered being speewed forth just the man being investigated and any Republican would do.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

The great irony it that someone as dimwitted as Palin is trying to raise the point on international crisis.
Every good president relied on a team that helped and advised him on the crisis. JFK has his team that advise him on the Cuba crisis…
Obama has assembled the smartest team of people that would advise him, Powell, Biden, Luger, Clarke..
And who does McCain relies on in times of crisis… Palin. This should be a scary thought!!!

Posted by: CLabs | October 21, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

The great irony it that someone as dimwitted as Palin is trying to raise the point on international crisis.
Every good president relied on a team that helped and advised him on the crisis. JFK has his team that advise him on the Cuba crisis…
Obama has assembled the smartest team of people that would advise him, Powell, Biden, Luger, Clarke..
And who does McCain relies on in times of crisis… Palin. This should be a scary thought!!!

Posted by: CLabs | October 21, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

“Chair – I have seen no hatered being speewed forth just the man being investigated and any Republican would do.
Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga”
With all due respect Jenny, you’re not paying attention. The man dares ask a question and all you hear from Biden on down is how the man lacks any credibility. The point was the question he asked! That never got addressed – all we heard was what a fool Joe is ….

Posted by: Chairman Maubama | October 21, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

Barack Hussein Obama belongs to a party that has KNOWN terrorists within its ranks. That’s a fact!!
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And McCain has KNOWN drug addicts and thieves! That’s a fact! Oh wait, that’s his wife!
Ok. Known Liars and Cheats. On wait, that’s his running mate.
What was your point again?

Posted by: Mt flag is bigger than yours | October 21, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

Concerned – What the heck are you talking about? I have followed this campain thisclosly and I not seen this. Tell me where I can find Info.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

“Ryan C., the Nazis were socialists (left-leaning). The Nazis put all the control in the state (left-leaning). The Nazis put controls on the press (left-leaning … fairness doctrine???).”
The Nazis were fascists, a state controlled totalitarian nationalist regime that tolerated zero dissent.
Fascism is the mirror image of totalitarian communism.
Right wingers embrace nationalism so naturally they would want to avoid being compared to Nazis for whom nationalism and Aryan supremacy were a the centerpieces of their ideology.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

MY – the comments here from the corrupt obama gang are really a DISGRACE to your guy – you know the campaign that is above it all – NEVER has a negative word. Just look at his supporters!
Is this what an obama President would bring along? No NO NO
VOTE SMART: McCain/Palin

Posted by: Molly | October 21, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

A crisis? How about a WAR? Palin wants to take the Ukraine from Russia. Russians have the advantage there. Get ready for a universal draft if Palin wins.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | October 21, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Has Obama ever been tested???
I don’t really want a certain terrorist attack to be his “test”.
Maybe he should study some more before he takes his test.

Posted by: Jen in IN | October 21, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

oh how the media has thrown everything at sarah palin as the dunce, I’m sorry but she comes off and sounds much more credible and intellectual than Biden. He just makes up things and rattles on and on. I’m so proud of Palin and everyone she represents and stands for.

Posted by: janet taylor | October 21, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Chair – The point is Joe lied or at least misrepresented himself to Obama. He did come clean later. If you are gonna get into the game out on shoulder pads cause you are gonna get bumped. Why has his life been ruined because he owes back taxes?

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

There is no government or agenda that can keep anyone safe. We are more volunerable now than ever. Our country is growing weak financially. People are slipping into poverty. Our military is maxed out. And this election has grown increasing divisive. The McCaign camp and their lying, fear mongoring tactics are hurtful to the country. Calling Americans un-American because of where they live and who they plan to vote for. What the heck would you call those tactics? Sounds like dictatorship tactics to me.Accusing his running mate of being a terrorist. It turns my stomach to think he would be so dishonest to win an election. Makes me wonder what he would do as president.

Posted by: Finney | October 21, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Alarm – “How do they do damage control? They spread their hate. Just like terrorists.”
The Obama supporters are not the ones draping Obama signs over dead animals, allowing their rallys turned into KKK rallys, and spweing hatred at every given oppertunity. Notice I did not say liberals I said Obama supporters.
Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | Oct 21, 2008 3:05:02 PM
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Got any proof that it was NOT obana supporters? That may be like the person in the McCain crowd that yelled kill him”. After much investigation, apparently the reporter was the only one that heard that comment being yelled in the crowd. That could and probably was a left wing supporter.
Ryan C., will have the answer for us on this one.

Posted by: Whoever | October 21, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

Universal draft heck. This lady is so clueless she will probably bomb Atlanta in her haste to blow something up. It is the capital of Georgia you know!

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

What Biden was saying applied to both Presidencies? I guess her message works only on the “pro-American” sections of the electorate.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

Ryan:
You should read Klemperer’s diaries…
the Nazi party started out as nationalist, racist, AND economically socialist. It evolved into something that was actually both fascist and socialist.
The rhetoric damned equally “bolshevism” and “international capitalism” as it was of course run by the Jews.
Economically, it was socialist, as all was controlled by the state. However, it had a huge element of fascism, which can INCLUDE “collectivism” but reject “international socialism,” to put a fine and silly point on it.
So, weirdly ( at least I thought it was weird), Nazis were sort of right AND left wing…I really think dictatorship and totalitarianism is how they should be primarily classified. Even though they opposed Bolshevism, ironically Nazi Germany achieved the same goals…total control, socialist economy, unified state…etc.
So the argument as to left and right wing is kind of off point.
Obviously, you can have a left-wing, even socialist country that is not a dictatorship, or is. Sweden/Cuba, USSR.
You can also have a relatively right wing country that is or is not a dictatorship. US/Columbia…
The point is, comparisons of Nazism to either Republicans or Democrats are far off the mark, and more than insulting, and I reject any wholeheartedly…

Posted by: Wade | October 21, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

Wow! People are really over the top on here today.
This is going to get interesting. In West Virginia, the computers are changing the votes on the screen from DEM TO REPUBLICAN!!
They say, hit it again and change it back and keep your printout.
If you think the printout matches what’s inside you need therapy for delusion.
WV is being stolen, by GOP computers, today.
This WV election would not hold up in AFRICA if the UN were watching the process.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | October 21, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

Whoever – I was cooking dinner and had the tv on and I heard It.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

Edward
2 letters and a word.
GI Bill.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

No matter who is elected, the next president is going to face a string of crises as soon as he takes office. If Palin hasn’t noticed, we’re in the middle of a couple of them.
The difference would be that Obama would remain calm and act rationally — as a good leader should — and that McCain would repeat his bizarre performance during the days leading up to the bailout.
And if McCain blows a gasket, we would be stuck with a poorly educated, ill-informed, and ethically challenged Abuse-of-Power Barbie as our president: a truly terrifying scenario.

Posted by: Alex | October 21, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

while the economic policies of the GOP are conservative, the use of Nazi-style dirty tricks, fear tactics, lies about minorities and lies about candidates seem accurate.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | October 21, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

“The Nazis were fascists, a state controlled totalitarian nationalist regime that tolerated zero dissent.’
“Nazism, a short name for National Socialism’

Posted by: Mack | October 21, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

What does Joe know that nobody else knows???
Joe knows that we will have an attack to test Obama. He knows this how?
I fear those two! shudder
We need to pray that an attack never happens.
Joe Biden needs to be talking with someone in this nations security!

Posted by: grandma of 7 | October 21, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Hey all of you Obama supporters 18-25 year olds – boys and girls. Pay close attention to Joe’s words. Really, you need to find the transcript and read ‘it’.
He could be talking about a draft and according to Obama will include men and women! Maybe Joe wasn’t supposed to let that slip out. Oops.

Posted by: JT | October 21, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Obama is smart, his advisers are smart, his supporters are smart. That’s all that matters. Palin makes Dubya look like an intellectual! So there’s no point explaining these scenarios to her, it would overload her faculties. That combined with her spectacularly unsuccessful executive record and penchant to abuse executive power over the pettiest matters disqualifies her for any office of responsibility.

Posted by: goodandtrue | October 21, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Has McCain ever been tested? Neither one has been in any position to “keep America safe”. This whole theory is dysfunctional. No one can pass a test until they’ve been tested.It’s the people they surround themselves with and the strengthening of policy and foreign relations and intelligence. McCain is isolating other nations by the hateful rhetoric he spreads.Calling over half the nation unamerican and someone he serves in the senate with a terrorist. He looks foolish and whacky. Dosen’t he think other nations are watching?

Posted by: Bea | October 21, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Edward
I am looking at the numbers behind the poll and it appears the poll had a hugely conservative leaning. 69% had voted for Bush (higher then the actual results of the election). This tells you two thing these interviewees are all above 22 at least, and probable a majority are already republican. Considering that this is a poll and not actual campaign contribution also puts a death nail in your failed attempt to confuse the electorate. Plus this is a poll of people with magazine subscriptions. I don’t know too many democrats Period that have military magazine subscriptions.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Did – Interesting way of looking at Hitler. Good points.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Biden was off the wall to say what he said — Sarah probably meant to say “moral equivocation” not “moral equivalence”. Both are physically and mentally exhausted after a long and intense campaign. Let’s agree to disagree. Don’t demonize me because I support McCain/Palin — I won’t demonize you because you support Obama/Biden. Let’s have a civil, vigorous debate, not an echo chamber full of like-minded people shouting out beliefs they already hold so they can remain smug and closed down. Let’s try to understand each other, and respect the other person’s right to disagree.

Posted by: Zoe | October 21, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

IA (Idiots Anonymous)
Considering the economic crisis now, Joe was forecasting, something the Republicans fail to do with Iraq.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

JT, why would they need a draft if they’re going to end the war in Iraq?

Posted by: Miki | October 21, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

Good point Wade on the Nazis, I’ll give you that.
But at least I don’t see anyone on the right trying to silence anyone on the left. That’s what the Fairness Doctrine (a misnomer if I’ve ever seen one) is all about. And it will be here next year if Obama is elected.
Question ….if Obama and the left’s policies are so great, they should easily be able to withstand a little criticism, no? So why is there a need to try and stop it? Hmmm …..

Posted by: Chairman Maubama | October 21, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Whoever – I was cooking dinner and had the tv on and I heard It.
Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | Oct 21, 2008 3:16:48 PM
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TV – remember the left wingers tell the right wingers not to watch TV unless you watch CNN or MSNBC…Remember to make your selection carefully.

Posted by: Whoever | October 21, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

“JT, why would they need a draft if they’re going to end the war in Iraq?”
They’ll need you for the invasion of Pakistan.

Posted by: Mack | October 21, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Mack
Obama didn’t threaten Pakistan he decided if Al Quaeda was hiding in Pakistan he would go in and get them with or without Pakistan help. Something even the CIA agreed with.
With regards to your quote, Bush invaded Iraq, and McCain wants to invade Russia.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Gov. Palin nails ObamACORN/Crazy Joe to the wall.
I smell a victory for McCain-Palin, it’s ObamACORN/Crazy Joe toast!

Posted by: Captain America | October 21, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

MAck – But rember you know who is in Pakistan. So why are we in Iraq??

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

MAck – But rember you know who is in Pakistan. So why are we in Iraq??

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

They did the same thing with Wright and Ayers too.

Posted by: Mack | October 21, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

From the “real” Sarah Palin.
(i.e. Sarah Palin without a speech)
“But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy– Helping the — Oh, it’s got to be about job creation too. Shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americas.
And trade we’ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation.”
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I still get a laugh out of that. And we’re supposed to listen to HER opinion?
Uh, sure.

Posted by: Capt McCain and the Talking Parrot | October 21, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Ty
Thanks for calling over 50% of the American people delusional. I hear calling a majority delusional is delusional.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Mad Albright agrees with Crazy Joe!
Could the entire ObamACORN campaign be comprised of idiots? Yes!
Incidentally, Crazy Joe was right when during the primary debate he told ObamACORN that the job of president is not a place for on the job training.

Posted by: Captain America | October 21, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Obama didn’t threaten Pakistan. He threatened Osama Bin Ladan. Wherever Bin Ladan is he plans to capture or kill him. It just so happans he’s in Pakistan. If the Pakistany government refuses to help or hand him over, then so be it. We entered Iraq on faulty intelligence. At least if Bin Ladan is killed there will be justification for the invasion.

Posted by: Bea | October 21, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

“You should read Klemperer’s diaries…
the Nazi party started out as nationalist, racist, AND economically socialist. It evolved into something that was actually both fascist and socialist. ”
Funny you should mention that Wade as I have read both. Not the easiest read going thru a man’s diary but the day by day painting of the growing horror, the chipping away at rights, the losing of friends etc. really is something to behold.
But the Nazis at their heart were about complete and utter control by a select few, political, economic, media and social.
That is counter to socialism in that a state directed economy is doing so as a representative of the people. Where the workers in effect own the company.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Whoever – I beleive I heard it on Fox news. And I heard it sorry folks I know what I heard.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Who asked the women in Muslim garb to please leave the stage during one of his indoctrination seminars?

Posted by: Mack | October 21, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Plain and Simple: It’s Racism
What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?
What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5?
What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said ‘I do’ to?
What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?
What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
If the above were true…who would you vote for?
You are The Boss… who would you hire because you wanted the best qualified people working for you?
With America facing historic debt, two wars, (or three if you count the supposed war on terrorism), stumbling ineffective health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, an extremely low educational standard, a mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. consider the below…
Educational Background:
Obama:
Columbia University – B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Biden:
University of Delaware – B.A. in History and B.A. i n Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
McCain:
United States Naval Academy – Class rank: 894 of 899
Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University – 1 semester
North Idaho College – 2 semesters – general study
University of Idaho – 2 semesters – journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College – 1 semester
University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in Journalism
Now, honestly, which team makes the most sense to hire to deal with all of the problems we all now face?

Posted by: Mal Bumgarner | October 21, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

Captainamerica…Has McCain ever been president? I guess he would get on the job training too.

Posted by: Miki | October 21, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Mack
1 incident 2 months ago. McCain has several incidents everyday for the past week. See the video of Muslim McCain supporters switching votes because of some of things McCain camp has been doing.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

“MAck – But rember you know who is in Pakistan. So why are we in Iraq??”
I have no idea. You’ll have to ask the masterminds; Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell.

Posted by: Mack | October 21, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Face it ObamACORN fans!
It is over for you.

Posted by: Captain America | October 21, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Barack Obama
Actually several source said he pronounced it the right way. God forbid Obama not be an idiot.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

PALIN IS DOING A FAR BETTER JOB THAN BIDEN IS…..MAKING THE POINT THAT HER RUNNING MATE IS T-E-S-T-E-D!
Never an Obama, but certainly NOT IN THESE GLOBAL TIMES.

Posted by: Hopey Uniter, is Dopey Divider | October 21, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

“Mack
1 incident 2 months ago. McCain has several incidents everyday for the past week. See the video of Muslim McCain supporters switching votes because of some of things McCain camp has been doing.”
1 incident of discrimination is 1 too many.

Posted by: Mack | October 21, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

Hopey Uniter, is Dopey Divider
McCain was tested, and found positive for having cancer. Tested doesn’t mean jack if your dead before the first term.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

I smell a victory for McCain-Palin,
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Obama has 259 SOLID BLUE ELECTORAL VOTES! 29 more leaning blue and 98 more battleground. 270=President Obama
I think you are smelling are your own socks. Do you ever do laundry?

Posted by: GOP Delusion is powerful for the easily manipulated | October 21, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Everyone has more trust in McCain to handle a crisis…polls have always shown that. FEAR FACTOR THAT OABMA STILL GENERATES IS THERE PEOPLE.

Posted by: Hopey Uniter, is Dopey Divider | October 21, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

“Obama did threaten Pakistan.”
Last year
“Obama said if elected in November 2008 he would be willing to attack inside Pakistan with or without approval from the Pakistani government, a move that would likely cause anxiety in the already troubled region.
“If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will,” Obama said.”
Last month
“ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A missile attack from a remotely piloted American aircraft is believed to have killed a senior member of Al Qaeda in South Waziristan on Thursday, a former member of a militant group in the region said in an interview. ”
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Just think that if it were not for acorn and all of the Mickey Mouse registered voters, Obama would be losing.

Posted by: Jen in IN | October 21, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Mack
So by definition McCAin is definitely more racist and unqualified to be president.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Palin hit the nail on the head here. Fifth scenario– Biden’s next campaign appearance. Crack me up!
Sorry, gang, but Biden was saying that Obama would face challenges McCain would not, because like that golden boy JFK, he would be young and inexperienced and people who want to test his mettle, take advantage of his weakness. He can backpedal as he “revises and extends” his remarks all he wants, but if you go back to the original source, he was not talking about a threat that would be faced by either McCain or Obama as president. Foreign powers won’t have to test McCain’s mettle; they know where he stands. That’s the sort of steady, strong leadership we need.
Biden also said that it would seem as if Obama were not doing the right thing at first. What on earth does that mean? He’s not going to tell us, and the press isn’t going to ask, if they ever get the chance to talk to him, that is. But since Biden isn’t talking to the press of late, no problem there.
Palin ticked off a few of the danger points that could lead to crisis in an Obama administration, based on the policy statements he has made. What troubles me most is the man’s stubborn nature. The surge was a resounding success, proving McCain was right to risk his political future to advocate for it. Obama, even as he finally and reluctantly admits that success, refuses to say that it was a good idea or that he should have supported it after all or that his prediction of its failure has been proven wrong. So once he has his mind made up, that’s all there is to it? Not the sort of flexible, agile, muscular diplomacy I want to see in our next administration.
And there are plenty other problem areas Palin didn’t even get to. Russia is building on their relationship with Venezuela– maybe there will be another missile crisis in our hemisphere? Maybe there will be a crisis in Mexico, leading to a flood of illegal immigrants rushing to the border. Maybe Castro or Kim Jung Il will die and their successors will try to throw their weight around to put their own stamp of leadership on their beleaguered countries? These are not crises that I want to see Obama deal with, any more than I want to see him dealing with a nuclear Iran or a Russian land grab.
I trust John McCain. I want his steady leadership in the years ahead. I will vote McCain/Palin on Nov. 4.

Posted by: moderate | October 21, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Concerned in OH
Tell that to No Child Left Behind.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

I don’t trust either McCain or Palin to handle a crisis.
McCain makes decisions on the fly and Palin just wouldn’t know what to do.

Posted by: cincyr | October 21, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Miki,
Do you really want to go there?
John McCain is an American war hero.
ObamACORN was a community activist.

Posted by: Captain America | October 21, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Ryan C
The distinction is Obama is not attacking Pakistan. He is not going after the government or its people. But I guess you don’t want Al Quada caught or Bin Laden… Vote McCain for never ending war.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Concerned in OH
Bush proposed and created it while running for president against Gore. Plus he forgot to fund it. There goes being fiscally conservative.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

Mack
If it so easy why are you getting basic facts wrong.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

I agree with you, glad you have read “I Shall Bear Witness…”
I think we agree that Nazis were a category unto themselves…I guess that’s why I bristle when our relatively liberal politicians, including most republicans, are called Nazis.
Sure, both parties have had their extreme members, like McKinney or Helms, but even they wouldn’t match the cruel motives of the Nazis.
I mean, Bush donated a ton of money to Africa…is that something a Nazi would do?

Posted by: Wade | October 21, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

“Everyone has more trust in McCain to handle a crisis…polls have always shown that.”
Rasmussen:
Forty-eight percent (48%) of voters now say that Obama is a better leader than McCain while 42% hold the opposite view.
Pew Research:
Who can best handle the economy:
Obama – 53, McCain – 32
Who can best handle Iraq?
Obama – 48, McCain – 42

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

Never once has McCain incited prejudice towards moslems. That’s a bald-faced lie.
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No, it’s not.
Allowing your campaign to insinuate that Obama is somehow a “secret Muslim” and then trying to associate Obama with terrorism is absolutely inciting racial and social predjudice.
It the lowest form of campiagn tactic and McCain and Parrot have done nothing but that for weeks now.
Of course, it’s not McCain’s fault that most of his supporters are apparently so dimwitted they think Muslim is a religion and all Muslims are terrorists.
No worries. Americans are tired of the childish assertions and inuendo. Polls show it backfired big time. We’re just waiting until Nov 4th when it becomes official.

Posted by: McCain and Palin = gutter politics | October 21, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

Barack Hussein Obama has never been part of anything important, signifigant or worth while.

Posted by: lucy | October 21, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

“Mack
If it so easy why are you getting basic facts wrong.”
What basic facts are you referring to?

Posted by: Mack | October 21, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

Biden blabbing on in CO about early voting and Colin Powell’s endorsement….as the black endorsement trumps McCain’s FOUR EX SECRETARIES OF STATE…..KISSINGER, BAKER, EAGLEBURGER, AND HAIG. Why does McCain not get mention of all the Generals behind him….McCAIN DOESN’T NEED THE CRED BOZO DOES, SO POWELL BECOMES MORE IMPORTANT, but because he’s black it is wiped off the table to alot of undecideds.

Posted by: Hopey Uniter, is Dopey Divider | October 21, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

The Republican voter fraud hoaxDonald Duck and the Dallas Cowboys won’t steal the election for Obama. Acorn’s only crime is registering Democratic voters
shame you have to go to the UK for truth about what the republicans are doing with acorn..

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

I saw her in an scripted interview last night regarding Relgion – she might want to explain what she is doing practicing witchcraft in the you tube video. She acts like we are stupid everyone has seen this video.
She really is out of touch with reality. I can understand how Alaska overlooks this, but the rest of the world is not that stupid.
Sarah Palin – John McCain’s new legacy.

Posted by: whynot | October 21, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

I was referring to Iraq.

Posted by: Mack | October 21, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Bidens struggling with the prompter…it’s not moving fast enough for him in Colorado. I see the usual group behind Biden…..kids and blacks…the group that will deliver it to Obama IF he wins. They sure are pushing early voting as they know the polls are tightening and they want as many up fronts.

Posted by: Hopey Uniter, is Dopey Divider | October 21, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

McCain is losing because he doesn’t have a ground game and has to resort to smear tactics. How come Republicans fail to mention that all the false registration forms were first reported by ACORN itself?

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

John McCain was a hotshot flyboy untilhe screwed up and got shot down. He then was a POW for 5 years. Not to diss McCain’s service but to me the real hero’s are the guys on the ground like my uncle who lived in the mud and muck and fought daily hand to hand combat with the viet cong. HE came home with a steele plate in his head and a body full of Agent Orange. These guys are the real heros.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

John McCain was a hotshot flyboy until he screwed up and got shot down. He then was a POW for 5 years. Not to diss McCain’s service but to me the real hero’s are the guys on the ground like my uncle who lived in the mud and muck and fought daily hand to hand combat with the viet cong. HE came home with a steele plate in his head and a body full of Agent Orange. These guys are the real heros.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 21, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

“McCain is losing because he doesn’t have a ground game and has to resort to smear tactics”
Tough to compete with a liar that is spending $29 million a week on attack ads.

Posted by: Mack | October 21, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

“Sure, both parties have had their extreme members, like McKinney or Helms, but even they wouldn’t match the cruel motives of the Nazis.”
The lust for power and dominance over your fellow man makes the Nazi ideology unique perhaps in history.
Even though there are a difficult read because of the format I would hope Volume 1 of the diaries would be required reading in any 20th century history class. Just reading his reactions to the newspaper, the slow creep of restrictive laws, the whole scene as it were really helps you to understand how something so evil happened.
“I mean, Bush donated a ton of money to Africa…is that something a Nazi would do?”
I think Bush’s foreign aid to Africa and his committment to fighting infectious disease there is quite admirable.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

Mack
Obama doesn’t have to lie and he doesn’t. That $29 million a week is funded by guess who Americans at about $89 per person’s donation. But I guess those 9 million people are Anti-American. Why do you support a McCartyist?

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

3.1 million not 9 million. 10 million already voted for Obama already.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

“Obama doesn’t have to lie and he doesn’t”
Wrong. He lied about his relationship with Ayers and Rezko.

Posted by: Mack | October 21, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

“Hmmm… Bush’s name only appears 3 or 4 times on wiki’s entry about it. And none of them in context of him proposing it.
How strange. Another example of liberal revisionist history.”
George W. Bush:
“Bipartisan education reform will be the cornerstone of my Administration.
The quality of our public schools directly affects us all as parents, as students, and as citizens. Yet too many children in America are segregated by low expectations, illiteracy, and self-doubt. In a constantly changing world that is demanding increasingly complex skills from its workforce, children are literally being left behind.
It doesnt have to be this way.
Bipartisan solutions are within our reach. If our country fails in its responsibility to educate every child, were likely to fail in many other areas. But if we succeed in educating our youth, many other successes will follow throughout our country and in the lives of our citizens.
This blueprint represents part of my agenda for education reform. Though it does not encompass every aspect of the education reforms I plan to propose, this blueprint will serve as a framework from which we can all work together Democrat, Republican, and Independent to strengthen our elementary and secondary schools. Taken together, these reforms express my deep belief in our public schools and their mission to build the mind and character of every child, from every background, in every part of America. And I am very open to working with Members of Congress who have additional ideas to meet our shared goals.
I look forward to working with Congress to ensure that no child is left behind.”
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

Mack
An accusation is not proof. The day it is, I will leave this country.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

Obama, even as he finally and reluctantly admits that success, refuses to say that it was a good idea or that he should have supported it after all or that his prediction of its failure has been proven wrong
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Moderate:
Did McCain ever admit that HIS JUDGMENT about ENTIRE WAR – that he predidcted would be an “easy win”, and “we would be greeted as great liberators” , that “Sunis and Shites never had had conflict so they would get along”, that “we wouldn’t get into house to house fighting in Bagdad”, etc…- was entirely wrong?
Did he ever admit he had no clue as to the problems we would create by invading Iraq?
Did he ever admit that he had never thought of how we would actually get OUT of Iraq once we went in?
Just curious about that. (And I could go on but you get the point) Because I’ve never heard McCain admit is was a huge mistake and he was wrong in his perceptions.
And you wonder about Barrack’s judgment?
We KNOW McCain’s judgment was 100% wrong with regards to foreign policy. We let Bin Ladden escape to go to war with a country that posed no threat to us.

Posted by: McCain = BAD Judgment | October 21, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

“The distinction is Obama is not attacking Pakistan. He is not going after the government or its people. But I guess you don’t want Al Quada caught or Bin Laden… Vote McCain for never ending war.”
MM,
I am quite aware of the distinction. That is why I posted Obama’s quote. I also posted how the Bush administration has actually adopted this policy in the last year.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Chairman…
I support McCain and agree that the fairness doctrine and Obama’s attempts to stifle dissent through shouting opposition down are disturbing (WGN).
…as an amateur student of Nazi Germany, I could never compare any mainstream US politician to a Nazi…they really were evil…it is beyond the pale and I HATE when the term is used so freely…

Posted by: Wade | October 21, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Ryan C
There in proving my point. Bush proposed it, Congress wrote it, Bush left the money behind. Who’s policy mistake, proposing things you can’t pay for when you get.

Posted by: MM | October 21, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

“Mack
An accusation is not proof. The day it is, I will leave this country.”
He said that he barely knew Rezko during his debate with Hillary. I’d call that a lie.

Posted by: Mack | October 21, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

“Obama is nasty and disgusting the way he runs his awful campaign, which will reflect his horrible presidency.”
Pew Research:
Voters give significantly higher marks to Obama’s campaign than they do to McCain’s. About two-thirds (65%) give Obama A or B grades for the job he is doing convincing them to vote for him. By comparison, just 34% give McCain’s campaign A or B grades. Obama’s presidential campaign is now graded more favorably than any other – Republican or Democratic – in the last 16 years, outpacing the 58% who gave Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign similar high marks. At 34%, favorable views of McCain’s campaign are low, but still surpass the 1996 Dole campaign – only 29% gave the Kansas senator’s campaign grades of A or B.
Nearly nine-in-ten Democrats (88%) offer A or B grades to Obama’s campaign, compared with two-thirds (67%) of Republicans who give McCain’s effort top marks. There is a wide difference among partisans when judging their respective campaigns: 53% of Democrats give Obama A grades compared while only 23% of Republicans give the McCain campaign top marks.
Independents and swing voters mirror the general voting public in giving higher marks to Obama’s campaign. Just a third of independents and swing voters grade McCain’s election campaign A or B, while more than six-in-ten (64%) give him a C, D or F. Obama does much better among both groups with 64% of independents and 56% of swing voters giving his campaign one of the top grades.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm

Republicans act as though the world will stop spinning when Obama becomes President.
I promise, the sun will still come up every day and will be followed by the moon in the evenings.
The “secret militia” is not going to beat down your door and make you bow to Mecca.
And I promise that President Obama is not going to nuke Kansas after he takes the Presidential oath.
Can you guys be any more OVER DRAMATIC?

Posted by: Reality Check | October 21, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

From latest Pew poll, among likely voters:
Obama 53, McCain 39

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

She’s a hypocrite and why is she still talking she has no credibility?

Posted by: Kathy | October 21, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

I guess Sarah Palin does not believe in the superior strength and might of the United States. She is proclaiming doomsday scenarios. (Probably co-incides with her apocalyptic religion).
She is over-estimating our “enemies” and finally fails to mention how she or McCain would handle any of these scenarios.
One might also point out that it is her foriegn policy beliefs and those of George Bush’s that have led our nation to these dismal circumstances she is proclaiming. But then again…one needs to only look at her “base”.

Posted by: Astonishingly Moronic Palin | October 21, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

“So what, Bush had a good idea.”
Concerned in OH before being proven wrong:
“Hmmm… Bush’s name only appears 3 or 4 times on wiki’s entry about it. And none of them in context of him proposing it.”
“The failure of NCLB was how it was written by the liberals, not by the noble promise of Bush.”
HR.1(No Child Left Behind Act) sponsored by Rep. John Boehner. In the Senate it was Kennedy.
NCLB’s failure was not necessarily its funding but the funding demands placed on school districts seeking to meet its standards.
But you’ll notice we went from Bush had nothing to do with it, to Bush’s noble promise.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

I was adressing Concerned in Ohio….if there is the thought that Obama is Muslim it could be because both his dads were and in Muslim culture if your dad is, so are you. Just as with Jews, if your mother is so are you. Obama also has a director of Muslim Outreach, Minha Husani. Does McCain, ya think?

Posted by: Hopey Uniter, is Dopey Divider | October 21, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

Oh darn….economy is turning ever so slightly….foreclosed homes are being scooped up….great time to buy a house Trump just said. Obama camp want to keep the negative economy talk out there…..too bad market is turning around and the focus is off economy AND ON WHO WOULD BE READY FOR AN INTERNATIONAL CRISIS? That would be McCain.

Posted by: Hopey Uniter, is Dopey Divider | October 21, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

If I were Isreal I would be terrified by the mere thought of Obama being president.
Now this. Joe Biden knows for certain that we will be attacked if Obama is presidnet.
Things aren’t looking too good for the world with Obama as president.

Posted by: He's not for me anymore | October 21, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

Where is Jake on this HUGE Palin gaffe?
Q: Brandon Garcia wants to know, “What does the Vice President do?”
PALIN: That’s something that Piper would ask me! … [T]hey’re [sic] in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they [sic] can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.
She does not even know what the United States Constitution states about the Vice-Presidency. She needs to go back to 9th Grade Civics class. Shees. Come on Jake…Where is the equal coverage?

Posted by: Where is Jake? | October 21, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

“Obama also has a director of Muslim Outreach, Minha Husani. Does McCain, ya think?”
Are Muslim not Americans? Should they not have a voter outreach program?
Also from the McCain website:
Welcome to Arab-Americans for McCain. Our coalition is the central gathering point for members of the Arab-American community to join forces and collectively endorse Senator John McCain for president. As an organized and united force we can really support Senator McCain by organizing our community and getting out the vote for the 2008 election.
We are proud to endorse Senator McCain whose character, judgment, leadership, and experience is precisely what all Americans need in their next President. His foreign policy experience is unparalleled and most importantly he understands the issues facing the Arab world.
As Arab-Americans, it is imperative that we get involved. We ask you to add your name and information to our team. This will allow you to receive updates on the campaign and where he is on the campaign trail.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

“Now, Senator Obama … advocated sending our U.S. military into Pakistan without the approval of the Pakistani government. Invading the sovereign territory of a troubled partner in the war against terrorism. We gotta call that scenario number two.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | October 21, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

Sen. McCain & Gov. Palin fear mongering? It was Sen. Obama’s running mate, Sen. Biden, who guaranteed that there would be an international crisis if Sen. Obama is elected president. He opened the door! The opposition has not only the right, but the obligation to include this in their stump speeches.
Sen. McCain & Gov. Palin hate-filled? They are only pointing out the truth. To call that hate speech is really laughable. Actually it is many of the Obama supporters are filled with hate speech: “Christian religious nutbag,” “Gutter rat,” “Idiot,” “Racists,” etc.

Posted by: James Danley | October 21, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

“great time to buy a house Trump just said”
Yeah if you’re Donald Trump.
Jobless numbers set a record last month.
The Dow lost TRILLIONS in value.
People are losing their retirement savings and their homes.
The right winger response?
All is well.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

Where is the headline with the Murtha comment? If he was a Republican saying these things….racist, “rednecks”, comments…why the pass with the old guy in PA?

Posted by: Hopey Uniter, is Dopey Divider | October 21, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

ryan sez: “The lust for power and dominance over your fellow man makes the Nazi ideology unique perhaps in history.”
No, Ryan. It is a common tale repeated many times. WWII was simply the first time it was done with modern weaponry and media. You might want to look into the work of the more recent Khmer Rouge and the Cambodian killing fields. You might want to look at the rape of Nanking. The Old Testament even has examples.
No, it is all too common. What is new is a media that enables such to build a rage machine and set it in motion instantly using the Internet to amplify the effect like adding nitro to gasoline.
What hasn’t changed is the value: zero. This campaign is no longer about anything Americans really value. So win or lose, come November, things will be worse.

Posted by: len | October 21, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

Sarah Palin’s pointed criticism of Barack Obama’s foreign policy agenda Tuesday morning included a swipe at Obama’s stated commitment to strike at terrorists inside Pakistan’s borders if they are in the sights of the American military.
“Senator Obama has also advocated sending our U.S. military into Pakistan without the approval of the Pakistani government,” Palin said. “Invading the sovereign territory of a troubled partner in the war against terrorism.”
But Palin herself has advocated the same approach.
Palin told a voter at a retail stop in Philadelphia in September that the United States should “absolutely” cross the border into Pakistan to hunt terrorists, a statement that appeared to contradict John McCain’s preference to negotiate with the Pakistani government first, or at the very least, to not publicly announce such a strategy.
At Tony Luke’s cheesesteaks in South Philadelphia, Temple University graduate student Michael Rovito asked the vice presidential candidate several questions about United States foreign policy towards Pakistan.
“So we do cross border, like from Afghanistan to Pakistan you think?” Rovito asked.
“If that’s what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should,” Palin responded, before moving on to greet other voters.

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

As Chuck Todd reports, LESS than a 1,000 people showed up for McCain’s first rally in Pennsylvania today….
OUCH!

Posted by: trent | October 21, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

“Jobless numbers set a record last month.
The Dow lost TRILLIONS in value.
People are losing their retirement savings and their homes.”
All brought to you by a DEMOCRAT majority congress.
Now you want to elect them to more power?!
Quit beating your head in a wall, it will quit hurting. But you want to keep business as usual.

Posted by: Jen in IN | October 21, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

“But I guess the looming crisis that most worries the Obama campaign right now is Joe Biden’s next speaking engagement. Let’s call that crisis scenario number five.”
LOVE IT!!!!

Posted by: Marg | October 21, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

“Sarah Palin appears to be a continuing – if not an increasing – drag on the GOP ticket. Currently, 49% of voters express an unfavorable opinion of Palin, while 44% have a favorable view. In mid-September, favorable opinions of Palin outnumbered negative ones by 54% to 32%. Women, especially women under age 50, have become increasingly critical of Palin: 60% now express an unfavorable view of Palin, up from 36% in mid-September.”
(from today’s The Pew Research Center national poll, that gives Obama a 14 point lead over McCain; yes, you read that right)

Posted by: cindy xtc | October 21, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

“Obama doesn’t have to lie and he doesn’t”
Wrong. He lied about his relationship with Ayers and Rezko.

Posted by: Belle Starr | October 21, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

“Mr. Obama’s favorability is the highest for a presidential candidate running for a first term in the last 28 years of Times/CBS polls. Mrs. Palin’s negative rating is the highest for a vice-presidential candidate as measured by The Times and CBS News. Even Dan Quayle, with whom Mrs. Palin is often compared because of her age and inexperience on the national scene, was not viewed as negatively in the 1988 campaign.”
New York Times and CBS News poll, October 20, 2008

Posted by: cindy xtc | October 21, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

FOX NEWS UNABLE TO FIND A POLL THAT HAS MCCAIN DOING WELL SPENT 15 MINS TODAY DISUSSING……
A NICKELODEON ONLINE POLL WHICH SHOWED OBAMA LEADING MCCAIN 51-49
FOX NEWS TAKE ON THIS THE RACE IS CLOSE…

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

As for the responsibilities of the Vice President, the U. S. Constitution spells out only three responsibilities:
(1) President of the Senate;
(2) To open all of the states’ Certificates from the Electoral College;
(3) To temporarily assume the responsibilities of the President whenever he is temporarily incapacitated; or replace the President should he be declared unable to discharge the powers and duties of President; or upon his death.

Posted by: James Danley | October 21, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

Mike in NC,
Of course FoxNews covered it as did National Review and Drudge.
There must be some kind of rule that if one right wing media outlet covers something they all have to no matter how loony that item is.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

Lets see
Biden has the experience and can NOT talk
Palin does not have the experience but CAN talk and has not made any gaffes during her campaign.

Posted by: frieda | October 21, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

RYAN C
REALLY THEY ALL COVERED IT…
ITS ALMOST LIKE THEY ARE ALL JUST PROPAGANDA AGENTS/NETWORKS FOR THE RNC (LOL)

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

No one in their right mind would prefer Palin over Obama in a crisis.

Posted by: Virginian Marine | October 21, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

Because of this ‘crisis’ that we will face, I am getting prepared.

Posted by: Buying another gun | October 21, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

Why hasn’t McCain declared moral bankruptcy? All they have is innuendo. They aren’t bright enough to put forth convincing lies.
Really scary is the drooling class his campaign has attracted.

Posted by: Rodger | October 21, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

You forgot this little important nugget about the Vice-Presidents Constitutional duties:
“shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided” (Article I, section 3).
Can you point out in the Constitution where it states the Vice-President can “get in there and make some good policy changes”? No. I didn’t think so. Huge Rookie, Incompetent, Neophyte Mistake by the Non-Commander in Chief.

Posted by: To James Danley | October 21, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

“No one in their right mind would prefer Palin over Obama in a crisis.”
Um….is Palin running for president against Obama? I think the comparison should be whether people would prefer McCain over Obama & I think the answer is “YES”!!!!!

Posted by: Jen | October 21, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

Obama = guaranteed international crisis

Posted by: certain doom | October 21, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

“Palin does not have the experience but CAN talk and has not made any gaffes during her campaign.”
ROFLMAO.
Yeah not being able to name the newspapers she read or which Supreme Court decision she disagreed with beyond Roe were great moments in political dexterity. So was totaling freezing when she was asked about the Bush doctrine.
Let’s not forget her claiming New Hampshire was located in the NorthWest, her real America comments and since the McCain campaign wants to make hay over the Rays vs the Phillies.
Palin in Boston:
“New Hampshire, I gotta tell ya, I am looking forward to the debate tonight right here in Red Sox Nation,” Palin said to roaring approval from the crowd, many of them decked out in Red Sox gear. “We’re just 20 days out from the election and it’s gonna come right down to the wire, and we’re counting on you because Red Sox fans know how to turn an underdog into a victor, and that’s exactly what you can help us do on November Fourth!”
Palin 1 week earlier:
“It’s great to be here in the home of the Tampa Bay Rays too. I know that earlier some of the experts this year were kind of tough on the Rays. I’ve been there,” Palin said, drawing laughs from the Tampa-area crowd.
“But what a difference a season can make, and now the Rays in the playoffs for the first time ever,” Palin continued. “So Florida knows a little something about turning an und

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

The Average life expectancy of an American Male is 72. John McCain is 71 so to answer Jen’s question:
Um….is Palin running for president against Obama?
Yes. Based on the Average Life Expectancy of an American Male..Odds are that Palin would indeed be President during McCain’s first term.
A earth shattering scary thought.

Posted by: Average Life Expectancy of American Male | October 21, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

Jen
“I think the comparison should be whether people would prefer McCain over Obama & I think the answer is “YES”!!!!!
Have I got some polls to show you!
I would rather Obama over McCain any day!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

“Palin does not have the experience but CAN talk and has not made any gaffes during her campaign.”
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do the words “Katie Couric interview” mean anything to you?
They stand for the worst and most painful, most hilarious performance of a VP candidate in the history of American politics!
Gaffe after gaffe after gaffe, all in ONE interview!
“She can talk”???? Only as far as my 6 six old daughter can talk as well. In fact, that sweetheart talks all day day long!

Posted by: gregory | October 21, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

Mike NC,
I meant during a time of crisis I think McCain would handle it much better than Obama…McCain has a proven record & history of dealing with crisis, going all the way back to his time as a POW. What does Obama have? Flip-flopping policies and talk that panders to whatever crowd he’s speaking to & NO real experience in a crisis.
And for those of you are “scared out of your minds” that Palin will end up being president (which I think is pretty hilarious that she brings up such angry & fearful emotions), Biden is the one who told the American people to expect a crisis in an Obama administration. How ridiculous is that? I highly doubt Obama has the ability to handle an international crisis, but the fact that his RUNNING MATE thinks that his presidency will BRING multiple crisis scenarios is AMAZING!

Posted by: Jen | October 21, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

Other than being a POW, what crises has McCain handled? And in case no one noticed, he was on the losing end of the POW crisis.

Posted by: JIMB | October 21, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

We are here commenting because of a “gaffe” Biden made., not for any “gaffe’s Palin made”. I think this is number 109 in gaffe count for Biden.
According to Biden he is the “smartest guy in the room”, and in reference to Obama he said, “The presidency doesn’t lend itself to on the job training”.
The Obama campaign has also kept Biden off the campaign trail today. Damage Control anyone?
If you want to ask Biden what he meant you can find him at Katie’s Restaurant, still waiting for service, even though the place closed 15 yrs ago. Or he might be in the hole they dug for Michelle, muzzled to keep him quiet.

Posted by: S Adams | October 21, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

How many years has Biden had to practice? And he thinks Sarah Palin is less qualified than Obama?
Hillary supporter for McCain.

Posted by: RL in Illinois | October 21, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

I don’t know, I can’t see the trees:
Ok, so you say Palin has executive experience because she was short time governor.
So my question is has McCain been a governor???
Which means that he has no executive experience?
Now let see where the rubber meets the road, both Senators present laws and vote on the interest of MILLION OF PEOPLE, not a small town or a STATE.
As I see it controlling a tennis ball, or controlling a stamped of bison.
Palin is not ready to do much but shoot wolves from Planes.
Her and Mike Vick would be BUDDIES.

Posted by: Underdog | October 21, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

“McCain has a proven record & history of dealing with crisis,”
Were you in a cave the last month?
In response to the failure of Morgan Stanley, McCain claimed the fundamentals of our economy were good.
Within the next 24 hours he flip flopped on supporting an AIG bailout.
Then in a move of political theatrics he announces he is immediately suspending his campaign to work on the bailout and won;t go back to the trail until the bailout is finished. Only he doesn’t stop his ads or close his offices. Then he blows up the bailout talks and shows up at the debate resuming his campaign.
And that was just week 1 of the crisis.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

“The Obama campaign has also kept Biden off the campaign trail today”
ABC News’ Matthew Jaffe Reports: In the wake of his guarantee Sunday that Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., would be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in office, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., came to Colorado today, electing not to reference his weekend remarks and instead hit out at Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., for focusing not on the economy but on tying Obama to former 60s terrorist Bill Ayers.
The lesson as always?
Actually I hope everyone realizes the lesson by now.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

I don’t know, I can’t see the trees:
Ok, so you say Palin has executive experience because she was short time governor.
So my question is has McCain been a governor???
Which means that he has no executive experience?
Now let see where the rubber meets the road, both Senators present laws and vote on the interest of MILLION OF PEOPLE, not a small town or a STATE.
As I see it controlling a tennis ball, or controlling a stamped of bison.
Palin is not ready to do much but shoot wolves from Planes.
Her and Mike Vick would be BUDDIES.

Posted by: Underdog | October 21, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

Palin just old a local television station in Colorado (in response to a question from a third grader), that the Vice President is “in charge of the U.S. Senate, so if they want to they, can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes.”
No gaffes, eh?
NO ONE in “in charge” of our Senate. Does Palin know or understand how our democracy works????

Posted by: jeezz | October 21, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

The polls have widened today, in Obama’s favor.
The rest is BS.

Posted by: fact | October 21, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

Have you seen her latest question and answer session. She was asked by a third grader what the vice president does. She got the answer wrong. Does that surprise anyone? This woman needs to go back from whence she came and never rear her head again.
Posted by: jane | Oct 21, 2008 2:16:32 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++
jane–this is a completely moronic statement. The fact is that during the VP debates, when this question was asked, BIDEN GOT IT WRONG! and Palin got it right.
Google it.

Posted by: S Adams | October 21, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

Jen
“McCain has a proven record & history of dealing with crisis, going all the way back to his time as a POW.”
You mean when he made propganda statements against the USA ?
You mean when he gave away information on troop numbers and locations ?
You mean when he gave up the location and call signs of US rescue ships ?
Ill still take Obama thanks!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

NO ONE in “in charge” of our Senate. Does Palin know or understand how our democracy works????
Posted by: jeezz | Oct 21, 2008 5:25:51 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Obviously you don’t.

Posted by: S Adams | October 21, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

Ryan C
In response to the failure of Morgan Stanley, McCain claimed the fundamentals of our economy were good.
Within the next 24 hours he flip flopped on supporting an AIG bailout.
Then in a move of political theatrics he announces he is immediately suspending his campaign to work on the bailout and won;t go back to the trail until the bailout is finished. Only he doesn’t stop his ads or close his offices. Then he blows up the bailout talks and shows up at the debate resuming his campaign.
And that was just week 1 of the crisis.”
Oh please! I think you have McCain mistaken with Barney Frank & the other democrats in congress who said that Freddie & Fannie were fine. (especially since Barney Frank, Obama, and other democrats made a ton of money off of Freddie & Fannie). If you look back, there is documented record of McCain expressing concern over the whole sub-prime mortgage lending situation. (unlike Obama)
And as far as Mccain suspending his campaign to work on the bailout…why should he stop his ads (what does that have to do with anything). And obviously you are depending on the liberal media’s account (or Harry Reid) that he “blew up” the bailout talks. That really makes sense…John Mccain was singlehandedly responsible for ruining those talks with this angry temper. Haha!

Posted by: Jen | October 21, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

I still like Palin, but Giuliani would have been better, just subjectively…or Thompson..I like both of them better…
I hate that McCain’s age is a factor, but it does bring up the issue of successor (side note–Pelosi is 3d in line…Byrd is 4th! if that doesn’t scare you…of course that has never happened, but…) Of course, if McCain had picked another old white guy he would have looked even older.
Course, how does Nader feel about it? Poor old soul…at 74?
Palin is probably not qualified to be president, yet…then again, neither is Obama, imo, but he is more crafty and sounds better, so people think he is more prepared…he is VERY good at deflecting criticism, with shades of truth, and sometimes truth, to be fair…(see blatant lie about limits of ACORN involvement/ McCain health plan…abortion votes…he is very lawyerly and that is not a compliment on one’s direct explanation of the facts.)
I would rather have Palin than Biden, a proven liar and someone with very poor judgment, as president.
Obama glosses over things better than Palin (a lot better, I know)
…wait til the real tax plan gets implemented..y’all will never remember the old one…wait til the civilan corps gets trotted out…oh boy.
I don’t believe it will be doom and gloom, but for people who can’t stand it when gov makes you fill out yet another form, or send in proof of something, or qualify for another exemption, or hate to see funds diverted to projects that bear no fruit, it will be bad…
their beards will grow longer overnight…
McCain 2000! Heh heh.

Posted by: Wade | October 21, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

“The fact is that during the VP debates, when this question was asked, BIDEN GOT IT WRONG! and Palin got it right.”
ROFLMAO.
Yeah because Fox news said so.
Palin spoke about expanding the power of the VP in the Senate.
She made the same argument that Cheney has in terms of the VP being part of the executive and legislative therefore no one has jurisdiction over the VP. That argument has been rejected.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

So, some of her fans as just as… well, stupid as Palin.
A director of a company is “in charge” of that company. But the President of the Senate is NOT in charge of it. He or she is presiding over it, which is quite a different thing. We’re not talking about the Kremlin…
That difference may not matter or be clear to those who defend Palin, but it surely should matter and be VERY clear to any VP candidate.

Posted by: jeezz | October 21, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

“And as far as Mccain suspending his campaign to work on the bailout…why should he stop his ads (what does that have to do with anything).”
If you still run ads and you have your offices open, you have not suspended your campaign.
“And obviously you are depending on the liberal media’s account (or Harry Reid) that he “blew up” the bailout talks”
That was the latest position taken by Rick Davis, McCain campaign manager.
Davis expressed outrage that, “in the middle of the greatest disaster in our financial system that we’d had in our lifetime, that the Democrats in the United States Senate would actually link payments to ACORN in the bailout package that they promoted — prior to Sen. McCain coming to town and actually blowing that package up. So we can actually say that in addition to saving taxpayers millions of dollars, and we’re very happy that no more taxpayer dollars were added to the pile of money going to ACORN.”
After the initial bailout package failed, McCain’s aides blamed Obama:
“This bill failed because Barack Obama and the Democrats put politics ahead of country,” adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin said”
The lesson for the day? Right wingers are gullible when they buy their media’s lies.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

Governor is definitely more qualified to run this country. She has had experience running the biggest state of the USA: Obama has the qualification of running the biggest mouth from South Chicago. Is there any comparison????? I think not.
Both Biden and Clinton have said previously that Obama is not qualified. What more do you need?

Posted by: Mary | October 21, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

“The lesson for the day? Right wingers are gullible when they buy their media’s lies. ”
And left wingers are not? And they have so much media to pick from…take your pick.
It’s easy to pick and choose statements (like the one Davis made) out of context to use in an argument against McCain, but I suppose anyone could do the same.

Posted by: Jen | October 21, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

Posted by: Mike NC | Oct 21, 2008 5:29:59 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
These rumors are baseless and are along the same lines as Nazi’s claiming the Holocaust didn’t happen.
This story came from a former Communist camp guard who beat, tortured and starved American POW’s. I tend to not believe him, as he has no credibility.
McCain’s story is backed up by other POW’s in the camp and by his physical exam after he was released. If you have seen the before and after pictures you can see he was treated very poorly. If you look at the pictures of the tiny, dirty room that McCain was kept in, you can see the torture devices still in place. If Obama were in the same position, and offered to leave he would have done it in a heartbeat, leaving behind his comrades. McCain went through 5 1/2 yrs of severe torture and isolation because he refused to leave after his captors found out who he was, unless the prisoners there before him were allowed to leave. He is a hero and you have no right to judge anyone in that situation, unless you have gone through it yourself.
Many American’s have been forced to give anti-U.S. propaganda statements by Al Qaeda on air. Anyone who is sane knows that they are being forced, and do not believe what the prisoners are forced to say.

Posted by: S Adams | October 21, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

“It’s easy to pick and choose statements (like the one Davis made) out of context to use in an argument against McCain”
What was out of context about what Rick Davis said?
You asked for proof. I gave it.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

“Governor is definitely more qualified to run this country. She has had experience running the biggest state of the US”
ROFLMAO.
Yes because land mass equals importance.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

Joe Biden thinks the world will be testing Obama in 6 m0nths. But i think it is a plan allready. We have many enemies, and some of our enemies also enemies of some of our enemies. Obama will make some of our enemies our allies against some of our enemies. But that will be a falls partnership,as they will not be our true partner, but we will be they’r partners, and all our old allies will be our new enemies. We will be just a small part of a new force in the World.This is what joe was realy saying, that maybe we will be fighting for the other side. I dont think that would be very smart,It is not the change we need.

Posted by: Joe | October 21, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

S Adams
John McCain himself admits it !
You can read the propaganda statements online..
You can read the NSA documents obtained from freedom of information records!
You can read John McCain admit his actions in his book although he down plays them!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

Ryan C,
Using a statement out of context does not prove anything to me…thanks but no thanks.

Posted by: Jen | October 21, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

S Adams
Former POWS Say McCain not Tortured
Two Former POWs Say They Doubt McCain Was Physically Abused 1999 – March 25, 1999, The Phoenix New Times: Ted Guy and Gordon “Swede” Larson, two former POWs, who were McCain’s senior ranking officers (SRO’s), at the time McCain says he was tortured in solitary confinement, told the New Times that while they could not guarantee that McCain was not physically harmed, they doubted it. “Between the two of us, it’s our belief, and to the best of our knowledge, that no prisoner was beaten or harmed physically in that camp [known as "The Plantation"],” Larson says. “. . . My only contention with the McCain deal is that while he was at The Plantation, to the best of my knowledge and Ted’s knowledge, he was not physically abused in any way. No one was in that camp. It was the camp that people were released from.”

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

So we should elect Hot-head McCain and Empty-head Palin to face those crises?
No thanks.
Dont you think Biden was acknowledging that more trouble is probably on the way because of how terribly George W. Bush has managed every situation he’s gotten his hands on? After the last 8 years the entire globe hangs on the edge of crisis. Why? Republicans.

Posted by: BBpd | October 21, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

think this is what Biden might be talking about?
READ these excerpts :
“There was that sense of sacred obligation that, frankly, we have lost during
these last two wars,” Obama said. “I want to restore that.”
“But it’s also important that a president speaks to military service as an
OBLIGATION not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then ALL of us go, not just SOME.”
Let’s read that again…
“If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some.” Can you spell d-r-a-f-t?

Posted by: cindy | October 21, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

“Using a statement out of context does not prove anything to me”
The statement was in context.
Apparently denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
The lesson for the hour? Right wingers are delusional.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

rodney knows the truth!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 21, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

M=bj,
I tried to post a long response to your query, but it would not go through. Instead, I got a message saying the website thought my post might be spam and was holding it for the moderator. Oh, well. I will give you a short answer while waiting to see if the long one ever sees the light of day.
You asked if McCain had ever apologized about his judgment about the war? My answer is, no, because he has no reason to. He supported the war, as he could do as a member of Congress, but expressed grave reservations about the conduct of that war, which was out of his control. (Joe Biden actually has the oddest war vote record, having voted for the Iraq war before coming to oppose it but having voted AGAINST the First Gulf War that liberated Kuwait. Have you asked him to apologize?)
You throw out several quotes that you attribute to McCain, asking if he wants to take any of them back. I have seen these same quotes treated the same way in numerous antiwar Democrat’s posts. The problem is, most of the quotes do not come from McCain. He never said we’d be greeted as liberators– that was Cheney, on Meet the Press.
I can find no record of him speaking about Sunni/Shiite relations under Saddam meaning they would not fight against one another. I concede he may have said that, but I doubt it. I know that the Sunni/Shiite tensions are a very complex subject that cannot be reduced to a sound bite and that it was impossible to predict before the invasion how the two factions in Iraq would treat one another once no longer constrained by Hussein. Sunnis and Shiites do live peacefully together in many parts of the world. The complicating factor in Iraq is that Saddam and his minority Sunnis mistreated and repressed the majority Shiites for years. (Recall, this is unique to Iraq– Sunnis are the majority of all Muslims throughout the world and only in Bahrain do a Shiite minority still rule a Sunni majority– peacefully, I might add.) The conflicts were political, not primarily religious.
but I digress. You said McCain claimed the war would be easy, which he certainly did not. In fact, he is on record several places saying that no war is ever easy. He did, however, state his firm belief that American casualties would not number in the hundreds of thousands as many critics claimed prior to the onset of the war. In a CNN interview in which says the war will not come easy, he did indeed say he did not anticipate house-to-house combat in Baghdad. Thing is, in the context he was discussing, he was correct. He said that in fighting to overthrow Saddam, he did not think Iraqi troops would defend him to the last man, fighting block by block to keep us out of Baghdad. As you will recall, he was correct. The Iraqi army melted away and we entered Baghdad largely unopposed. I don’t think we ever did have house-to-house combat until much later, during the insurgency, when we were fighting during the surge to drive the insurgents out of the city.
McCain could not force Rumsfeld to prosecute the war as McCain felt all along it should be prosecuted– with greater forces and better preparation for holding onto gains. It was not his decision to disband the Iraqi army. he was not, recall, a member of the Bush administration. So I dont’ see that he has anything to apologize for on that score.
Oh, and when you trot out the tired old line about letting Osama go so we could invade Iraq– I have no idea how you make that connect. Osama escaped from Tora Bora in December of 2001. The war in Iraq was launched in March, 2003. And you may recall that McCain blamed the Bush administration loudly and publicly for letting Osama get away. It was one of the reasons for the strained relationship between him and the administration– one of many.

Posted by: moderate | October 21, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

what is wrong wit posting the truth about mccain—he may have suceeded in having his records sealed –but the truth is the truth—-mccain was a military disaster.

Posted by: rodney | October 21, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

Ryan C, do keep in mind that right wingers and Republicans and McCain supporters are not synonyms. On a Venn diagram, those circles would overlap a bit, but that’s all. I am not delusional. I am a John McCain supporter who suspects he will indeed pull out a win in November.

Posted by: moderate | October 21, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

excuse the spelling.

Posted by: rodney | October 21, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

palin is showing the world how uneducated she is —kind of dumb.

Posted by: rodney | October 21, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

Ryan C, sorry, I don’t see any Republican lies in your quotations. I see Rick Davis pointing out that the initial bailout bill included millions for ACORN, as those con artists expected to get their cut of the pork as usual. ACORN was part of the problem, not the solution, so Republicans including McCain insisted on taking that provision out.
McCain came back to washington and helped the house Republicans gain a seat at the table, where the Dems had until that point elbowed them out. Of COURSE Harry Reid claims that McCain blew things up– he is hyperpartisan. Remember how the dems rushed out to announce there was an agreement before McCain could get to town to get involved. They wanted to be able to claim he had no part in the negotiations. Problem is, there was no such agreement, as the republicans were not yet on board and the house reps in particular had been shoved aside. So McCain comes in, the Republicans make their views known, and things changed. Reid is hardly an unimpeachable source for how things transpired.
I also keep hearing Dems claim that McCain did nothing in that meeting at the White House. Yes, he was quiet, taking in the arguments, evaluating the ideas presented. Isn’t that what you guys usually brag that Obama does? Obama, however, was appointed to speak by the Dems so they could claim he was showing leadership ability. That meeting did not accomplish much, but it was not the fault of McCain.

Posted by: moderate | October 21, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

what realy is palins attraction—–she certainly is not educated—she makes some of the craziest statements—she obviously knows nothing about the constitution. makes outlandish untrue statements.when you stop to think about it ,she is a heartbeat awaw from pres. if mccain would be elected—–this has to be the worst of judgement on mccains part.a disaster in the making.

Posted by: rodney | October 21, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

“Ryan C, do keep in mind that right wingers and Republicans and McCain supporters are not synonyms.”
Yes, which is why I direct my comments towards right wingers.
I will occasionally jab at Republicans but that is more the party structure & office holders.
In terms of the remarks by Rick Davis, you can follow the previous posts.
Basically I was making the point that the McCain campaign handled the financial crisis quite badly, flip flopping positions, changing frames etc.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

“Of COURSE Harry Reid claims that McCain blew things up-”
Rick Davis is the one who claimed McCain blew it up and week after the fact.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

hey belle
even elvis was drafted–and quite a few other celebs.

Posted by: rodney | October 21, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

belle
dont worry about russia–after november palin will be sitting on her porch WATCHING THE RUSSIANS.

Posted by: rodney | October 21, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

“dont worry about russia–after november palin will be sitting on her porch WATCHING THE RUSSIANS.”
ROFLMAO…good one rodney

Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

One thing’s for sure….
Spain would never dare to attack us if we elected McCain!

Posted by: blip | October 21, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

RYAN
WHATEVER HAPPENS I WILL STILL DREAM OF PARIS WASHING MY CAR—A HAZARD AT MY AGE.–I ONLY WISH ALL WOULD RUN A RESPECTFULL CAMPAIGN–THE LIES ANH HALF TRUTHS ARE DISGUSTING—BUT I WILL VOTE FOR THE BRILLIANT YOUNG GUY,

Posted by: rodney | October 21, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

Ryan C,
I could take any numerous statements made by the Obama/Biden ticket (especially by Biden) and use it against them…oh let’s see, maybe some of the things Biden has said recently…for example:
“He guaranteed that if Barack Obama is elected, we will face an international crisis within the first six months of their administration.”
I think things that Biden has said has been much more damaging..like how paying higher taxes is more patriotic.
“Apparently denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
The lesson for the hour? Right wingers are delusional. ”
That was a pretty bad joke & you can stop with the “lessons for the the hour”. Because I wouldn’t say all right wingers are delusional..

Posted by: Jen | October 21, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

Ryan C,
Try to keep up. (Actually, you know perfectly well that you are twisting things, most likely, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.) You say it was Rick Davis who claimed McCain blew things up on the bailout. Go back and look at the interview. One problem with reading a transcript is capturing tone. (If Ryan C posts “I think Joe BIden is brilliant,” I would assume he was serious. If Concerned in Ohio wrote the same sentence, I would assume she was being sarcastic.) It was widely reported that Harry Reid proclaimed that McCain “blew up” the negotiations. Davis was asked about this, and in his answer, he mirrored the language. He was basically saying, to paraphrase, “if by blew it up, you mean he came in and stopped them from giving goodies to ACORN and if by blew it up, you mean he called them on the fact that they were ignoring a key group who needed to be included in negotiations, i.e., house republicans, then heck yeah he blew it up. If you mean that he came in and screwed things up so that a good plan fell apart,then no, he didn’t blow it up. ” I would say Mr. Davis was correct.j What Rick David did not do was to say in a serious tone that John McCain blew up the negotiations.

Posted by: moderate | October 21, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

“Can you point out in the Constitution where it states the Vice-President can ‘get in there and make some good policy changes’?”
The U. S. Constitution gives both the Executive and Legislative branches a share in the making of foreign policy. They each play important roles that are different but some roles overlap. The Executive Branch can make foreign policy through: Responses to foreign events; Proposals for legislation; Negotiation of international agreements; Policy statements; Policy implementation; and Independent action. The Legislative Branch can make foreign policy through: Resolutions and policy statements; Legislative directives; Legislative pressure; Legislative restrictions and/or denying funds; Informal advice; Congressional oversight.
With respect to the Executive Branch, it depends on the president as to how much influence the vice president will have. There have been vice presidents who have been deeply involved in formulating policy. There have also been other vice presidents who had no influence at all.
So to make a blanket statement that the vice president has absolutely no role in making policy is wrong. We don’t know what agreement that Sen. McCain has made with Gov. Palin. He may have already promised her extensive influence in making policy should they win the election.

Posted by: James Danley | October 21, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

As Palins distorted mind grinds on looking for the kind of trash her constituents seem to think has merit, she is simply digging a deeper hole for McCain to try to climb out of.

Posted by: Rich | October 21, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm

If Palin were to face an international crisis, I’m pretty sure she’d ruffle some feathers.

Posted by: Danny | October 22, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

Check this out…….
1.What is America’s first line of missile interceptor defense that protects the entire United States?
49TH MISSILE DEFENSE BATTALION OF ALASKA NATIONAL GUARD
2. What is the only National Guard Unit on permanent active duty?
49TH MISSILE DEFENSE BATTALION OF ALASKA NATIONAL GUARD
3. Who is Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard?
GOVENOR SARAH PALIN
4. What U.S. govenor is routinely briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security and counter terrorism?
GOVENOR SARAH PALIN, ALASKA
5. What U.S. govenor has a higher classified security rating that either candidate of the Democrat Party?
GOVENOR SARAH PALIN, ALASKA
The liberal media insults the American people with their bias reporting. They have attempted to “redefine” and defame
Govenor Sarah Palin…to create a perception that is an absolute fallacy…to push Obama and their liberal agenda.
We are not buying it…….

Posted by: equalityrpt | October 22, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

Every one of these are INACCURATE!
1.What is America’s first line of missile interceptor defense that protects the entire United States?
49TH MISSILE DEFENSE BATTALION OF ALASKA NATIONAL GUARD
(AK isn’t the only interceptor site…California is another site)
2. What is the only National Guard Unit on permanent active duty?
49TH MISSILE DEFENSE BATTALION OF ALASKA NATIONAL GUARD
(Only the Coast Guard…that’s all it IS!! It’s Water!!)
3. Who is Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard?
GOVENOR SARAH PALIN
(She is NOT the Commander in Chief and this comment actually insult WHO IS! She can only request the National guard in case of flood or avalanche or time of crisis, they’ve never been mobilized. Once the National Guard is in the air, they belong to the Federal Government, NOT HER! She’s a liar).
4. What U.S. govenor is routinely briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security and counter terrorism?
GOVENOR SARAH PALIN, ALASKA
NOT! Only Alaskan information, NOT US counter terrorism…whomever wrote this is uninformed.
5. What U.S. govenor has a higher classified security rating that either candidate of the Democrat Party?
GOVENOR SARAH PALIN, ALASKA
NOT and learn to spell Governor…it has and “R” in it and is capitalized.

Posted by: Shelly | October 22, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am

Sarah Palin has been the most predictable pre-emptive strikee I’ve ever seen quoted! She has assailed everyone else with her own laundry list of sins. What the heck did she agree to this assignment for anyway – why is she so interested in getting her hands on the codes. I wouldn’t trust her with them; she has been untrustworthy in Alaska, she has appealed to the nazis, if that’s a clue to the caliber of these guys and their politics, and their Cabinet. It is a ridiculous notion that I hope we never have to entertain.

Posted by: Shannon | October 22, 2008, 6:27 am 6:27 am

The truth is Sarah Palin gets on the nerves of Obama with her rather folksy and brilliant campaigning.
This hurts Obama’s degenerate supporters who are not such criticism of their idol and they lash out like rabid dogs like the clueless bunch they are.

Posted by: Greg h | October 22, 2008, 6:40 am 6:40 am

Palin is not aware that we’re already in an international crises or two? Biden and Powell were simply stating the facts. The next president will have to hit the ground running.

Posted by: MrsDi | October 22, 2008, 7:13 am 7:13 am

HOW COULD ANYONE PUT PALIN AND BRILLIANT IN THE SAME SENTENCE–wow that is what you call a real stretch of the imagination.

Posted by: rodney | October 22, 2008, 7:39 am 7:39 am

palin actually dont know what the vp. does.–talk about a ditsy twit.

Posted by: rodney | October 22, 2008, 7:41 am 7:41 am

Interesting comments by Sarah Palin. Fairly focused attacks, all in all. I personally don’t like political attacks, but hey, if you have to, why not be organized. Still, I find that both Biden and Palin in a way sort of hurt both campaigns messages in a way. I don’t know, I could be completely wrong, but I see them both doing hurtful things to their respective campaigns in their rush to expose flaws in the other campaign. These comments by Palin is sorta hypocritical, with the state of the world basically guarenteeing (i know i spelled that wrong) some sort of crisis for the next President. Then again, paying higher taxes being more patriotic……that one made me go silent when I heard it……Anyways, I suppose Palin could be an asset, but, like Biden, I see her as a bit of a hinderence (Dang, can’t spell today). But, hey, that’s just my opinion.

Posted by: Dude who doesn't like partisan bickering. | October 25, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm

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