Palin Pushes Joe the Plumber

Obama is pushing fraudulent voters.
Acorn-GATE

Senator Obama said he’s somebody who wants to spread the wealth, which means, which means he wants government to take your hard-earned money and dole it out however he sees fit

Main Street and Wall Street
Fannie and Freddie
Pallin around with terrorists
A couple of mavericks
Real America
Joe the Plumber
If you are not upset about this VP pick, then you aren’t awake.

The socialist programs that Obama suggests are the same type of socialist programs that brought about the economic crisis – one and the same.
Joe the Plumber brought the economic crisis into focus by pointing out that the Obama tax plan to redistribute wealth is the same sort of flawed thinking that brought about the collapse to the loan industry and rolled into Wall Street.
It sounds like a free give away, but it eventually has huge costs to all of us.

It was Obama and people like Obama who really cause the financial mess we are in now.
SUING banks and crying racism into giving loans of my money to people (mostly blacks) who could never pay these loans back. They defaulted all at once. Dragging not only the banks down but the whole financial market with it.
THANK YOU OBAMA. You have more ways to destroy the economy still up your RACIST sleeve
The media refuse to report this because most media types are AFFIRMATIVE action class are afraid of the RACE CARD charge

Now he’s a socialist? Can they even debate without labeling Obama a something’ist’?
How about, here’s why his plan won’t work? No labels.

At this point of the game and from what I’ve read and seen, “anything” the media writes or says has to be suspect.
Come on, “begged her speech writers”. Besides the media has hit poor Joe harder than Obama and Biden.

I like the person who needs to copy other people’s Names instead of debating. That way you’ll trick people. Grow up.
Wheels on the Bus 9:29:50 PM is a copycat.

Obama wishes JOE THE PLUMBER said taking his money and giving it to welfare programs was a FINE and DANDY idea.

I just heard the NEWS. Obama has LUNG CANCER.
Will JOE BIDEN be a cancerous lung breath away from the President.

What has happened in the last few days is that the Joe the Plumber story has broken through to the economic story.
the liberal give away that caused the Fannie Mae loan disaster, is the same broken thinking in Obama’s redistribute the wealth tax system.
All of these plans (most would call them socialist) eventually result in breaking the economy. FDR spoke about not increasing taxes in a recession. It does not take a genius (even one with absolutely no paper trail) to realize these policies eventually stifle the economy and hurt every one.

Hey Sarah, How dare you call yourself a CHRISTIAN and spout such vile lies? If you really believed in GOD you would know that what you are doing is a sin for which you will pay for in the afterlife. Tell the people the truth, that Barack Obama will cut taxes for the middle class and raise them for the true elites, the wealthy of this country. Save your soul Sarah and come clean. You are heading for a very hot place one day, if you know what I mean.

I drive the Obama BUS and its getting really crowed underneath this bus.

Obama supports GOD and also supports after birth abortions which entails stabbing a just born baby in the skull and sucking the brains out.
Is Obama a failed after birth ABORTION

If your even somewhat liberal in your thinking you should watch the 1971 movie called “Punishment Park.” It will really show you exactly how far we have not come in this country.
The GOP neo-conservatives who control our country think exactly like the people in this film…..and that is what is really scary – and it is scary to think they will let Obama become President should he win this election.

McPoopy Pants and Witless from Wasilla have spent too much time lately in the sewer. That’s why they love Joe the Plumber. (Did he actually call Social Security a joke.)

So lets lie and raise you taxes under the Obama plan. WE REALLY KNOW THAT OBAMA IS LYING about the tax plan he has

Complaint Hits Rezko and Obama Land Deal: Fired Official Says Appraisal Replaced
Saturday, October 18, 2008
A former Illinois bank official, now claiming whistleblower status, says bank officials replaced a loan reappraisal that he prepared for a Chicago property that was purchased by the wife of now-convicted felon Tony Rezko, part of which was later sold to next-door neighbor Barack Obama.
In a complaint filed Thursday in the Circuit Court of Cook County, Kenneth J. Connor said that his reappraisal of Rita Rezko’s property was replaced with a higher one and that he was fired when he questioned the document.
…
According to the complaint, Mr. Connor reviewed the appraisal of the Rezko property by another firm, Adams Appraisal, which had set the value at $625,000. Mr. Connor’s complaint said that he told his bosses in a report that the property had been overvalued by at least $125,000 and that a “reasonable and fair evaluation” should have been no greater than $500,000.
Later, the complaint states, Mr. Connor observed that his lower appraisal was not in the Rezko file and that he notified his supervisors that it had been replaced. He said, according to the complaint, the new file had been reviewed by the FBI and “if the FBI were to ask me about such matters, I would tell them the truth. I never rescinded my original findings.”
Critics of Mr. Obama’s dealings with Rezko charge that the senator may have gotten a deal on his property purchase, noting that Mrs. Rezko paid the full asking price for her property on an adjacent lot. Both of which were sold by a single seller. Mr. Obama bought his house for $1.65 million – $300,000 below the asking price.
When the property was sold, Mr. Obama knew Rezko was under investigation on fraud charges.
The complaint said the Rezko loan was approved by Mutual Bank President and CEO Amrish Mahajan and others so that Mrs. Rezko could buy a 9,090-square-foot vacant parcel of real estate. It said that in January 2006, Mrs. Rezko and Mr. Obama, along with his wife Michelle, signed an agreement to sell a 10-foot strip of the property to the Obamas. At that point, according to the complaint, Mr. Connor’s firm asked him to conduct the reappraisal.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/18/whistleblower-hits-obama-friends-appraisal/

Did Obama just crap his pants. His skin is turning brown so he must be full of crap

NY governor’s aide failed to pay taxes for 5 years
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081018/ap_on_re_us/governor_s_aide_taxes_5
Joe the Plumber is right. Obama wants to spread the wealth. After all Obama was a member of the Socialist New Party and personally trained by Marxist sexual pervert Frank Marshall Davis.

This is just getting sad. McCain/Palin can’t lead their way out of a wet paper bag.

I thought I heard just the other day that an Alaska state investigation had concluded that Governor Palin had abused her power earlier this year.
I must have been dreaming, because she is still running.

Fake Davis, Fake Mart, Fake wow?, Fake Wheels on the Bus, who let junior access the Internet and copy people’s names?
This says more about the people supporting McCain, than it does about Obama. Are McCain voters to the point where the stupid supporters are the only ones left talking?

Hey fake 08change when there’s no other arguement try to scare the people, that’s the republican way. A George Bush original! Just like going into Iraq, it’s unAmerican to oppose!!!!!

who here likes socialism? raise your hands…

Someone forgot their meds tonight. Whatever… Maybe in a different year this garbage would stick, but the lies don’t match what we see with our eyes.

Hey 08change…Obama started his campaign in a Ramada Inn. If you’re going to spread lies, at least spread ones that haven’t been exposed as a lie if for no other reason than to make youself look like less of a fool than you are.
As for Palin, she did break Alaska STate Law, but the Alaska Legislature doesn’t get back to Juneau until after January 1st, when they will take up impeachment of the Governor.

so you think obama and biden are “real” then i presume?

seriously, who in here admits they want full blown socialism? anyone?

oneobservation..
cmon, you sound like a perfect canidate. do you like socialism??

If you notice a trend of pro-Obama posts followed by a ranting idiotic quip by the same name, it’s because someone on this blog is stealing names and is not mature enough to debate. I also imagine that person is not terribly smart or educated. I’m sure you’ll see a crazy comment from “weak patrol” in a couple of minutes. enjoy.

I am somewhat amazed that the attack has come on the socialist thinking not the candidates.
It is the socialist thinking that brought about the loan collapse. We should not have allowed Fannie Mae to make those unsecured loans to people who cannot repay them. That same socialist thinking is in the tax rebates to the lower 45% who pay no taxes.
Joe the plumber sees it as selling out his future for a crummy welfare check. We tend to think that everyone will sell out their principles. Joe the Plumber is refreshing.

It is SO SIMPLE: Look at the chart. You will see how many middle class Americans will receive a tax cut. And even if you are making say 270K per year the increase is only about 600 bucks. HOW can this be socialism? By what logic?
How is this a handout? This vitriol is so out of proportion to the actuality of the very simple tax cut under Obama.

And isn’t what Bush has done to bail out the banks a form of socialism? How ridiculous these accusations sound. Calm down and do the math. Aren’t we all grownups here?

Tim … thanks, but nobody’s perfect.
As for socialism, whether I like it or not really doesn;t matter … LBJ took us there years ago … GWB cemented the deal when he signed Dodd-Frank trillion (almost) dollar banking boondoggle.

A question to all you liberal economic geniuses that think Obama will be your savior:
What happens when a corporations taxes are increased?
Well let me tell you:
1. The company increases the cost of it’s goods or services to recoup some of the cost. Result you and I pay more at the store.
2. The company has to reduce cost of making goods or providing services to recoup some of the loss. A companies largest expense is it’s labor force and who is the labor force? Lower and middle class Americans. Wages get frozen and/or people get laid off.
3. What do corporations do when they are taxed so heavily that they cannot return a decent profit for their investors? They either go out of business or they move their operation over seas. Many foreign countries actually pay them incentives to set up shop in their country. The result, even more jobs lost and US dollars going overseas.
Use your heads people. Big business is not enemy, Socialism is.

Bush is going to hold an economic summit with world leaders. Don’t you wish Sarah Palin was there representing the USA instead of Bush?

McCain Fights For Plumber, Obama Mocks, Crowd Laughs
http://tinyurl.com/6h55os

tim – I agree it was OBAMAS ANSWER TO IT WAS. “i think its just better if you spread that money around”. hello karl marx.
And in the news bits that I have seen in the last couple of days, people are saying this is the same sort of process that got us the economic collapse.
There are a couple of things I like about this. First it is entirely about the issues and not an attack on anyone one person. Second, it is thinking about why our economy is so much better than in say France – where there is more socialism. We have people like Joe the Plumber moving up the ladder and carrying the economy with them -with their inventiveness and industry.
The socialism of France greatly reduces the peoples’ upward mobility. Youwork harder – you make more money in America. The other bit is with everyone shouldering part of the tax burden – all paying a similar percentage – it breaks down class barriers.

WOW OBAMA DREW 100,000 TODAY, AND PALINE IS STILL TALKING THE PLUMBER.JOHN MCCAIN BATTING AVERAGE IS SLIPPING. IT’S THREE BALLS TWO STRIKES JOHN. SARAH PALIN = STRIKE ONE , ACORN=BALL ONE, WILLIAM AREYS= STRIKE TWO,JOHN LEWIS= BALL TWO, JOE THE PLUMBER = BALL THREE.

More taxes seem kind of inevitable. As to spending cuts. As do reductions in entitlements.
Face it … looking down the barrel at $11-trillion in national debt is not a sustainable state. We have come to the point where we can’t grow our way out of this and we cant spend our way out of this.
Both candidates are closing their eyes to the hard realities that Joe the Plumber, Joe the Teacher, Joe the Cabbie and Joe the HomeOwner are faced with.
We can debate the tax question ’til the cows come home … but when the Chinese or the Saudis or other countries financing the US Govt borrowing call the debt, or when the SKoreans or Kuwatis buy General Motors or General Electric, the gravity of the situation will become clear.

Palin needs to shut her mouth.. more and more she’s like the female version of Bush. Only difference is that Bush at least know he isn’t the smartest guy in the room, she doens’t. Just imagine how mess up this economy would’ve been if she runs it.

wow, am i the only one who gets depressed comming in here to see how clueless alot of americans are?? and these are the people who are actually interested in politics to come in here and talk about it!!! imagine the rest of the mindless voters??!!

The bon bon theory:
1. obama has a big ball of crap.
2. he dips it in liquid sugar.
3. he puts sprinkles and a beautiful bow on top of his bon bon.
4. he tells america, “look at this beautiful bon bon!”
5. he says, “wouldn’t you like to have a bite of it?”
6. he says, “it will change the way you think about chocolate, it’s the bon bon you have been waiting for all your life”
7. it looks beautiful.
8. everyone else is in awe of it, too.
9. everyone takes a bite.
10. after taking a bite of his beautiful bon bon they all realize something horrifying!
His bon bon is a big ball of CRAP!!!!!

the bon bon is his plan for america people!!!
wake up!!

i think if he has his way, he will mandate you that you HAVE to try a bite…

tim – I like to blame the media. Every channel has its own bias and that tends to make the debate be about the lowest common denominator. Chris Mathews is a smart guy, but I think his malaria is kicking up – that with the pressure to tow the msnbc line has got to be tough. I miss Russert – biased but he got to the truth on every one.

plumbers…
i agree, i miss russert too. definately biased, but would keep the heat on no matter who he was talking to. the media in general is bringing down this country just as much as the politicians. they go hand and hand.

OneObservation, thank you for your correct observation. We have got to get back to the one thing that made our country great; Pride, Solidarity, a sense of community. We’ve become a divisive country of those who have and those who have not. Then there are those on welfare or those that fall in between welfare and the upper class. The middle class is the one section that I believe Obama is speaking to when he talks about tax cuts. We are the forgotten many. The ones that can’t afford college for our kids, but don’t qualify for assistance. Plases for info: factcheck.org, politico.com. Get educated!

Vanessa: Dear… you can’t VOTE without your ID. Can’t claim you’re Mickey Mouse and vote. The workers were trying to get out of doing actual work. Do you really think Obama has the inclination or time to check in with every single ACORN worker (not that he even is involved in the organization, except for paying them) and check their rosters? So they pulled one over on OBAMA… not you, sweetie.

Obama is a big eared monkey, Michelle is a gorilla face beast and their two little monkies complete the circus!
No thanks…the change we don’t need right now is the magic negro!

john…
do you actually think ALL middle class people support obama?? i make 40,000 dollars a year, and i wouldnt vote for obama if my life depended on it. whats with you liberals talking about “the poor middle class” and mccain supporters “dont care about the poor”. get serious!!!!!! im not saying mccain is the answer, but i think with REAL activism from americans, there is a glimmer of hope. this is because his ideology dosent get in the way of his politics. obama is dangerous because of his ideology. and you’ve been suckered into thinking he is the only answer.

Hey badboy
You lineage is showing! You probably won’t know what that is but you could ask someone in the next trailer.

reaganfan…
you’re forgetting a couple of things:
1.) liberals WANT to spread the money around. they want equality from government. everyone gets a “chance” by way of a government handout.
2.) a large number of obamas supporters are completely CLUELESS. and save you’re comments people, i wasnt referring to you….

You are correct: the government is a reflection of us. How do we ask the government to cut back on spending when we can’t do it ourselves.

There are TWO things that Obama can NOT deny.
1. He is a MUSLIM. This happended during George Staphenouslous interview.
“My Muslim Faith…”
2. He is a Socialist with Saul Alinsky’s trademark. “Spread the Wealth Around”
If you take these two and do a thinking, you will realize his ultimate goals for America.
Don’t forget the Muslim “brothers” and countries (Iran, Lybia, Syria, etc..) will celebrate if he is elected.
Now, our part is to keep this from happening by EXPOSING him for what/who he is.

McCain just announced that Joe the Skin Head will be his Secretary of Labor.

This is amazing.
A person who is shallow and not bright got the GOP nomination for vp. She then gets popped on ethics charges. Now…she is hating on her opponents by invoking the name of Joe the plumber. Who is really Sam. And not a plumber. and is a tax evader.
This the the US, people. And our presidential race has been turned into a boring nightclub act by palin. This is embarrassing to America the superpower—-because millions of us REFUSE to accept that this cheap tawdry and really tacky woman in any way reflects who we are as a nation.

“Spreading the wealth around?”
If you ask me, Obama is being fiscally responsible.
There is NO WAY we can afford to pay off our debt and have a balanced budget unless we raise taxes. When will people face up to the fact that SOMEBODY has to pay for all of this? If the government were a corporation, its stock would be worth exactly $.01.

What do I care if Obama is talented, smart, cares about the working class, blah blah blah. Sara Palin is a hottie! We could watch her be cute, winking with her gun on TV for 4 whole years! C’mon guys! Get your priorities starigt!!

Obama Claus is Coming to Town
copyright Jerry Drummond, 9/08/08,
all rights reserved
He’s gon na
stop global warming
and get us off oil
and save all the children
from their troubles and toil
Obama Claus is coming to town
Every college campus
will have a jubilee
they’re gonna hang Obama Dollars
all around the Christmas Tree
With a tax cut here
an incentive there
Barack’s gonna cure
all of Oprah’s cares
Obama Claus is coming to town
All the Baldwin brother’s
will be ambassadors
Every U.S. Embassy will have
a no panties and bra dress code
With a
little crack here
and a little coke there
Snoop Dogg will cater
every state affair
Obama Claus is coming to town
Every college campus
will have a jubilee
they’re gonna hang Obama Dollars
all around the Christmas Tree
With a tax cut here
an incentive there
Barack’s gonna cure
all of Letterman’s cares
Obama Claus is coming to town
You can substitute Spike Lee, the Williams sisters,
and Chris Rock, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Katie Couric,
Katie Holmes, Tom Cruise, Penelope Cruze, George Lopez,
JLo or Leno for Oprah or Letterman, you can substitute
Wayan’s brothers, the Wilsons, the Spears sisters, the
Lohans or Jonas for the Baldwins, substitute P Diddy or
Willie Nelson for Snoop Dogg, put in your favorite
celebrity or business person, because they all are gonna
apply, make up your own, it’s fun!

Joe the Plumber is really Sam the tax deadbeat. Say goodbye, McLame. Say goodbye, Failin’ Palin. Say goodbye, W. Say goodbye, republicans. Say hello to the democratic landslide.

John Mccain’s VALUES—and adultery is just fine with his fans!
In the spring of 1979, while conducting official business for the Navy, the still-married McCain encountered Cindy Lou Hensley, a willowy former cheerleader for USC. Mutually smitten, the two lied to each other about their ages. The 24-year-old Hensley became 27; the 42-year-old McCain became 38. For nearly a year the two carried on a cross-country romance while McCain was still living with Carol: Court documents filed with their divorce proceeding indicate that they “cohabitated as husband and wife” for the first nine months of the affair.
Although McCain stresses in his memoir that he married Cindy three months after divorcing Carol, he was still legally married to his first wife when he and Cindy were issued a marriage license from the state of Arizona. The divorce was finalized on April 2nd, 1980. McCain’s second marriage — rung in at the Arizona Biltmore with Gary Hart as a groomsman — was consummated only six weeks later, on May 17th. The union gave McCain access to great wealth: Cindy, whose father was the exclusive distributor for Budweiser in the Phoenix area, is now worth an estimated $100 million.

dries…
have you ever thought maybe its a SPENDING problem and not a TAXING problem? yeah, neither have any other liberals in here. not to mention, obama is not rasing taxes to “pay off the debt”… lol he is going to spend, spend, spend. god help us all…

I saw McCain at the debate, his eyes rolled and if he probably should have told that uppetty negro to shut the hell up – admit it you saw it too. I’m sure that Joe would be good with McCain at his local klan meetings. Do the white thing and vote for the man who will make sure your race will survive. McCain has freed us to do what is needed, get your ropes fellas, we’re gonna protect this nice white lady.

to those of you in here just ripping on sarah palin and her “qualifications”, what makes you think obama has any more “qualifications”than here?! its as simple as that.

TWO OF THE MOST SCARY THING TO OBAMA AND HIS SUPPORTER:
XASARAH PALIN
JOE THE PLUMBER
THE FIRST IS HAMMERING OBAMA NON-[-STOP
THE SECOND GOT OBAMA TO TELL THE NATION HE IS A COMMUNIST
SO WE ALREADY KNOW THE LIBWERAL ANSWER
ATTACK
ATTACK
ATTACK
THEY KNOW PALIN IS EFFECTIVE
THEY WANT MCCAIN DISARMED
OBAMA =COMMUNISM=SPREADING THE WEALTH AROUND=UNAMERICAN

ACORN IS NOW, UNDER THE BUS..
CLINTONS WHO HELPED HIM GET ELECTED IN CHICAGO.. ONCE UNDER THE BUS, HAD TO BE PULLED FOR EXPEDIENCY.
HIS WHITE GRANDMA . WHO SUPPOSEDLY MAKES RACIAL REMARKS –UNDER THE BUS.
JEREMIAH WRIGHT — UNDER THE BUS
AYERS– UNDER THE BUS. COUSIN OGDINGA..UNDER THE BUS
BLACK AFRICAN GRANDMA-STARVING WHILE OBAMA HAS MILLIONS–UNDER THE BUS
MICHELE OBAMA -NOT YET UNDER THE BUS.. COMING SOON.
OBAMA IS FOR OBAMA AND NOBODY ELSE
LETS FEED HIM HIS OWN MEDECINE AND THROW HIM UNDER THE BUS ON NOV 4TH.
OBAMA -UNDER THE BUS.

Sam the sham. Here comes the Democratic tsunami.

There are more and more top line conservatives who are either publicly stating that Sarah Palin is not nearly prepared or qualified to be President of the United States (nor Vice President) or they are expressing grave doubts about her.
Conservative columnist George Will has joined the growing chorus telling Senate aides that Palin is “obviously” not prepared to assume the presidency.
Others include conservative columnists Kathleen Parker and former Bush White House speechwriter and American Enterprise Institute Resident Fellow David Frum (who must be having an awkward time with Palin-promoter Bill Kristol).
And Kristol pal, David Brooks, has also come out expressing severe reservations about Palin in his New York Times piece, “Why Experience Matters”.
Senator Chuck Hagel has also been an early critic of Palin — and more recently conservative firebrand Charles Krauthammer has articulated that Palin is a rookie and not ready for the White House.
And let’s not forget former former Senator Lincoln Chafee (who has formally left the Republican Party and become an Independent) who was very dismissive of Palin and called her a “cocky whacko.”
George Will, Kathleen Parker, David Frum, Senator Chuck Hagel, former Senator Lincoln Chafee, Charles Krauthammer. . .Who else should be added to this list?

American Mom,
I could say the SAME for Obama.

Matt,
Have a drink of kool-aid.
Take a break. You worked so hard for Obama.

Palin is doing God’s work.

Matt–another liberal insulting our intelligence. YOU NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION OF VOTING FOR McCAIN!!!!
All of a sudden, after hearing about ACORN, Ayers, Rev Wright and his black liberation theology, his anti-american statements and Marxism philosophy, you get an epiphany that Obama is “The One” to be president.
What a joke!

Since when does a “plumber” become an expert on economic policies?
And to be truthful, I don’t think Ms. Palin would know socialism if it hit her in the face. In fact, one could consider her a fascist…much worse than being a socialist.

Palin is as shallow as can be. What an airhead. Hillary is ten times the woman that Palin is, and Hillary is a hundred times smarter. Palin needs to be sent back to moose country, where she is an expert on local grass roots city-council type politics.

Seems if voters were truly against spreading the wealth, they would have said more about give 700 billion taxpayer dollars to wealthy bankers.

The New York Post has a scathing story about Cindy McCain’s drug use. Say she will turn the White House into a Crack House. —- this is scandelous!!!

Why are liberals so angry. This is not about Obama’s race, it is about his far left politics. I have never been a big fan of McCain’s, but he looks real pretty compared to Obama’s radical leftist positions. Obama actually make McCain look conservative. WOW!

I posted crap here that’s plainly untrue and I apologize for my behavior. It’s just that this is so stupid and all of you are too… Please don’t vote, you should be ashamed, people can read this publically. Go to church and ask for forgiveness tonight. Bad bad bad… P.S. She’s on SNL right now if you care to watch on NBC.

The level of desperation on the right is directly proportional to the squealing heard here tonight. Get ready to lose, whiners. Your Reign of Error is almost over.

want REALLY SCARY?? Like frightening beyond belief? Try reading yesterday’s ultra conservative Wall Street Journal as they give you some palin insight!
WSJ “Palin’s Failin’ ” Oct 17, 08
This is not a leader, this is a follower, and she follows what she imagines is the base, which is in fact a vast and broken-hearted thing whose pain she cannot, actually, imagine.
In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It’s no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism.

The Iraqis are marching in the streets, chanting “out, out America!!!

It is not income redistrubuton when you get to keep the money you earn. That is the point of working so you can get paid. If more people would give it a try they wouldn’t be such a burden on those of us that actually pay taxes.

John McCains stand on Taxes – Feb. 2, 2000
JIM LEHRER: There was a suggestion today from some of Governor Bush’s supporters that maybe you’re not really a true blue Republican, that some of the things you support like campaign finance reform and your opposition to tax cuts are more like Gore and Bradley and Clinton and Democrats than Republican.
SEN. JOHN McCAIN: Well, I’m much more like Ronald Reagan, actually, than the present hierarchy of our party. I’m for tax cuts, but I’m for working Americans. Governor Bush wants to give 38 percent of his tax cuts to the wealthiest 1 percent. I want to give it to working families.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/jan-june00/mccain_2-2.html

LUKE 12:48
TO HIM THAT HAS MORE; MORE IS REQUIRED

folks, i just saw sarah on SNL, what the @$%! was she thinking. they said some crappy things about her while she stood there in the name of humor. trust me, i’m no sarah palin fan, but why would she go there and allow herself to be made the butt of the jokes. she shouldnt have done it!!!

The Republicans have been stuffing their pockets, blowing the budget and screwing up the country for 8 years! Good grief! We’re not all blind. It’s time to let the Democrats rob us for a while.

Funny how people are scared of the word ‘socialism’. If you pay or receive ‘Social’ security, Medicare, Medicaid, or pay taxes (see our $700B bailout), then you support socialism in some way.
That would be just about every working American.
Think about it. It’s government run, managed and distributed.
We’ve been living it since 1935.
Still scared? Has anything changed in your life due to this realization? If so, please continue living in your shell and don’t bother the rest of us.

The Republicans have been stuffing their pockets, blowing the budget and screwing up the country for 8 years! We’re not all blind! It’s time to let the Democrats rob us for a while.

Please read the related article titled “Joe the plumber gets flushed to Nottingham” at http://www.cliffyworld.com/blogs

People equate socialism with totalitarian governments. They really aren’t the same. But the fear works well.
Some of the things that we’ve socialized at some level or another…Police Departments, Fire Departments, Social Security, the Post Office, Medicare, Public Schools, National Parks, Public Transportation, highways and infrastructure … and now the banking industry too.
They may not all be perfectly run, but there is no evil empire in it either.
Fear sucks, don’t buy into it.

I think McCain should dump Palin and add Tina Fey to the ticket.

toddo……….it’s comedy
that’s why it’s called satire.

The media did more research into “Joe the Plumber” then they did their leader Mr. Obama.

Hey guys:
Don’t you all get it. Here are some of the real issues;
1> We were all had with 911 when the direction of the war went over to Iraq a nation that did not have WMD where we claimed to have won the war 5 years ago and never won but squandered money and blood while some persons profited with lucrative contracts in building Iraq. And I forgot while America burned “W” told Americans to spend, spend and spend and go about business as usual.
2> We were all had when this Administration started outsourcing our jobs to South east Asia. We trained our replacements and then got pink slips. Mc Cain was in with “W” on this. They told us that the world was flat and this was the new reality as companies needed to cut costs with the cheapest labor there is. Why hire expensive, American guys who are lazy and expensive. We bought this, sucked it up and became the suckers we are.
3> We were all had when they (the cheats) planned to cheat Main Street in a predatory manner by offering cheap credit and scamming us with dreams of real estate riches (with no money down and sub prime offers) and shenaigans by Wall street where some people / institutions cornered the market by placing huge buy orders on stocks that they later rescinded like now after giving people false hope of an ever buoyant market through their wonderful con game. They played the American people for suckers and they the crooks won!
4>Now that this administration is out of the game they have crowned Mc Cain to continue milking the US economy for their common ends to become wealthier and heck with the American people. They keep screaming national security as an excuse for bilking the economy of tens of billions of dollars and they continue to tell lies about “Joe” the plumber or whatever they can come up with to continue making filthy unbelievable sums of money for themselves and the rich CEO’s etc. Mc Cain is against social security, medi care and welfare benefits for the disadvantaged (which he is not). The middle class in America can become the new poor for all he and his kind care!

re: Funny | Oct 19, 2008 12:02:04 AM
… and the ticket should be to the open mike nite at the local comedy club

“Change”–is that really the platform???
What does Obama stand for?
1. brainwashing our youth into voting BEFORE the debates
2. extreme gun control
3. “ending the war”–only to move troops elsewhere (not home)
4. providing for “high need” groups (I highly need to keep my paycheck, thank you)
If he really wanted to help those who are in need or “serve” as his wife keeps saying, he would give the money he is spending on his campaign to the needy instead of purchasing a television station to run his campaign adds with stories about how wonderful he and his wife are and how upset he was that his mother passed away (neither of which make him a qualified candidate).

JIm–One other thing–not sure about what business Bush ran in Texas that went under.
Also, Republican cities and states have a tendency to have a stronger government and economy than those run by Democrats.
Also, if you look at the first six years under Bush, we had consumer confidence at an all time high, gas was $2.19/gal, stocks hit the highest at 14,000+.
But Americans decided they wanted a change so they elected a majority liberal democrat congress, and man did we have change,
Gas went up to $4.00/gas, Fannie Mae collapsed (McCain sent a letter May 5, 2006 warning that this was going to happen and was ignored), consumer confidence plummetted as did the stock market, and 1% of homes are in foreclosure.
I think I’ve had all the change I can handle , thank you very much.

Obama wants to give watermellon to all the porr people. If he is elected everbody gonna have free chiken. But the small buisnesses wont hav no chiken. Ombama will wrewin this great nation.

Whiteman, Obama is winning, despite this type of filth. Shame on you. I feel bad for McCain’s non-racist supporters, who get lumped in with trash like you.

Looks like Obama’s plans got ruined by a simple plumber in Ohio.
The way Obama sent his supporters and media after the plumber is scary, the only crime that Joe seems to have done is ask Obama a question.

stef–yeah I like how Michelle thinks everyone else needs to “serve” but her. Cindy McCain actually goes to the poor countries and donates her time and money to worthy causes. She saved a dying child and adopted her. They have much more compassion than Michelle and Barack have in their pinky finger.
The Obama’s, just donate a little money before he runs for office and most of it went to Trinity,( guess they had to contribute toward that $10 million line of credit for Rev Wright and his multi-million dollar home,) and few thousand to a literacy group and a few thousand to the all important African dance theatre.
They couldn’t even send any money to his poor family living on $1 month in a 6 x 9 hut in Kenya.
Michelle wants everyone else to volunteer their time and money, she’s too busy eating caviar and lobster at a 5 star hotel.

So they just did a second bit with Palin on SNL. This was funnier and Palin looks like she’s got some rhythm, but it’s a still a bit odd. She looks like someone who was told to go on the show and didn’t really know why. In that respect, she is probably right – better to have ignored SNL then give them more attention.

plumbers, go ahead and spread your nonsense. the scare tactics aren’t working for most Americans anymore. we’re tired of it and frankly we are more concerned with the economy and our dwindling 401ks. McCain is losing becuase the only thing his supporters can talk about is how Obama is scary. you should come up with a more succinct policy discussion and so should John McCain.
“Joe the Plumber” doesn’t count. It’s just pandering.

polls–say what you want about Bush I do not really care, but he has kept your sorry @$$ from getting blown up since 9/11.
He served the State of Texas well, maybe you should look at your own party in Congress like Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Franks and Obama, to see why they have the lowest approval rating in history, lower than George Bush’s approval rating.

Sean A, a small portion of the country agrees with you.

Social mobility is actually *higher* in France now than in the USA. We used to be on top, the in the late 1970s we began slipping down the ladder, until now we rank in the lower third of industrialized countries, slightly below France, slightly ahead of Germany. Top of the heap? The Nordic countries, with their “cradle to grave” socialism. They have really moved ahead of the pack over the past 20 years as the long-term effects of the greater risks inthe USA become apparent: >50% of bankruptcies, for example, stemming from medical bills. We are impoverishing an entire generation of lower middle class.

Posted by: Sean A | Oct 19, 2008 12:23:25 AM
How convenient that every time something bad happens its the democrats fault. Of course the Republican thieves and liars had nothing whatsoever to do with it. How about 2 wars that are costing billions of dollars. I guess that was our fault too.

Wait a minute,isnt Mccain taxing those of us who have health insurance, to give to the ones that dont spreading the wealth around.

john ramirez – Joe the plumber wants to buy a busy some day. He currently cannot do that, but in America one can change your life by working hard.

omd – I’ll put it in jargon you can follow. Why do you think the economy has tanked?

I know the topic of this thread isnt SNL but when SLP’s best lines are ‘live from New York’ and later sitting on the set ‘groving’ to a Palin rap … on and episode hosted by the actor who portrayed ‘W’ in the recently released ‘bio’ of the current president … well, does that sound a ‘vice presidential’ caliber?
A quote attributed to Abe Lincoln … better to remain silent and let people assume you are a fool than to speak up and erase any doubt …
perhaps would have been better for SLP4VP to have taken a pass on the SNL invite.

Jwench – there is no reason to call people stupid because you cannot understand them.

American people wake up! McCain and Palin are trying to fool you around one more time. First of all “Spreading the Wealth” is not an issue here because at present time Americans don’t have wealth to spread around anymore. We are loosing our jobs here in America because companies are shipping jobs overseas. Obama is fighting for our jobs and rights. McCain and Palin are puppets and we can’t depend on them. We need to vote for Obama for our children.

Jwench–Considering that Al Qaeda planned 9/11 two years before it happened and the defense budget was cut by 35% 10 months before 9/11, I would say Clinton has a lot to do with the war in Afganistan.
I’m not a big fan of the Iraq war and will not defend it, but hind sight is 20/20, who knows what involvement Saddam Hussein would have had with Al Qaeda down the road. He was a billionaire, he could have helped Bin Laden plan another attack on his enemies, the U.S. Not to mention he was a brutal dictator.
Needless to say, we did not pick a fight with Bin Laden and are fighting a good cause that is working. We have not had another attack on our soil since 9/11.
Not all Republicans are innocent in the financial crisis, but the evidence trail so far, is leading to the democrats doors starting back with the Reinvestment act of Jimmy Carters administration, to Bill Clinton who expanded the act, and ACORN who put pressure on banks to give out home loans to more minorities even though they could not afford the mortgage. The mortgage fiasco started the domino effect leading to where we are now.

Sean A, Got Fox News much?

omd – OK, I think we are agreed on the cause of the economic mess. We are going light on the likes of Barney Franks who did not do his job – as a bunch of republicans let us down on that, too. McCain complained about the amount of oversight and was shouted down as a racist.
The money left the system when loan holders defaulted. That default was the direct result of a spread the wealth mentality that allowed unsecured loans to be made by greedy bankers. Actaully the SNL skit on this does a good job of attaching the blame.
One could conclude from all of that, that laissez faire and socialist policies wreck the economy. One has to allow people to better themselves. That is pretty much American dream stuff. Hard to argue with that.

Doesn’t Stef’s post sound a bit fishy?

OBAMA + DEM CONG = USA RIP

goldiluck–what do you think will happen when Obama doubles the tax on the corporations who employ people here in America? They will move their business to another country like India. Many did just that during the Clinton Administration.
Obama’s plan is not about creating jobs and keeping them in the U.S., it’s about sticking it to the big corporations, the bad guys, who are the employers of our nation.

claire says “I am OK with Obama spreeading the wealth. Because I will never earn $250,000 in a year.”
Like Joe the Plumber I am not OK with that as I want everyone to aspire to do well. I am not going to sell my principles for a tax refund check – especially when 40% of those getting the checks are not paying any tax.
We should all pay tax and there should not be any loop holes. I am not going to start hating my neighbor when she accidentally starts making over $250,000. This class war fare runs against the notion that we are all Americans – OK some are greedy bastards.

Wow Ted,
You sound a little like what the PALIN ANGRY MOBS were screaming at her rally today!
I think you need to call Joe the FAKE Plumber, maybe he can get McCain’s campaign out of the toilet for you Republicans!
Right after he gets his license and pays his back taxes that is!

Jwench – you say liar a bit too easily. What is the notion when you use that – to get people to shut up or intimidate them. Go to any of the news outlets – start with google – you can find all of the incidents you want to vote theft, intimidation, and fraud.

ACORN is a criminal enterprise.

Joe Six Pack probably wasn’t polling well with the religious folks, enter Joe the Plumber.

goldiluck–what do you think will happen when Obama doubles the tax on the corporations who employ people here in America? They will move their business to another country like India.
Posted by: Sean A | Oct 19, 2008 12:57:55 AM
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Gee Sean, Since the US Government reported that most US corporations paid 0 Taxes, yes ZERO since 1996, that should really drive them away!
They don’t go to India and China for that fool! They go because they can pay people 50 cents an hour. Instead of paying you and me $15-20 an hour for the same job!
What are you going to do if McSenile gets in there and the rest of our jobs go away smart guy???

In addition, while McCain will tax employer provided health insurance forcing Americans to shift to private coverage, Obama will provide a matching 50% tax break to those companies, providing an estimated $140 billion a year tax savings to corporations.
Not only will more americans wind up getting insurance, but it will spur the economy in doing so, not just in the tax breaks, but by injecting more insured patients into the health care system.

more on ACORN
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189

Jwench,
It was Bowling Green State University. The van I passed was parked at the north side of the student union, beside the shuttle bus stop

The ACORN BS is just that, and the Republicans have been hitting them almost every election since 2000..
New Mexico Incident Highlights Republican Suppression Scheme
October 18, 2008
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — After the New Mexico Republican Party claimed Thursday that fraudulent voters—including some registered to vote by ACORN—participated in the June, 2008 Democratic primary, ACORN contacted some of the voters Republicans said were bogus. ACORN presented its findings Saturday morning during press conference at ACORN’s New Mexico headquarters.
The voters that the Republicans named in their press conference on Thursday were quickly reached by ACORN Thursday night. They include three 18 and 19-year-olds and a new citizen, all first-time voters. Their legitimacy was confirmed by the Bernalillo County Clerk. All confirmed that they voted in the June primary and expressed outrage that the Republican Party is targeting them.
http://www.acorn.org
In addition, neither McCain, who has had a close relationship with ACORN in the past, particularly regarding immigration reform support, or Obama have been or ever been implicated in any of the current or past irregularities.

Stef, So now we know that you went to Bowling Green State some time in your life or at least you visited there. Still not buying the story.

Anger Management – I agree.

RE: stef | 10-19 | 00:48
thanks for the link, it was helpful and informative info on $5000 tax credit.
It confirms the money goes to the insurer and not the taxpayer. So, using the McCain site example, if I was in the 25% bracket ($63k-$128k), I pay $3000 more in tax. $5000 goes to the insurer to reduce cost of my premium (in their example, $12k per year).
If my employer is contributing to my health premium, it is not clear how I ever get any direct benefit of McCain’s $5k credit … it looks like I still have the same payroll deduction, my employer pays their share plus my share to the insurer (just like today) and the the employer and the insurer split the $5k tax credit issued on MY behalf … dont see anything that requires them to push it back to ME … but I am still on the hook for $3k more in taxes.
Go figure …
http://www.johnmccain.com/content/default.aspx?guid=9b94f39b-1650-4a3a-89ef-fba8cba4c868

To Sean A, I know you are confused because you’ve probably watching to much lies from FoxNews. Big Corporations are shifting their business to another country because of cheap labor and sell their products here with a big amount. So, this is all about greed of companies that doesn’t really care about you and me and our family. We don’t want to wake-up 1 year from now when all our jobs are all overseas. I bet you wouldn’t like to move to India because jobs are available in that country. Wake Up and vote for Obama not for yourself but for the future of your family.

“McCain Health Plan Puts Families in Charge: In another desperate attack, Barack Obama and Joe Biden have said that McCain health care tax credits to help families buy coverage “will go straight to the insurance company.” Here is what they fail to mention – the credit goes to the insurance company that the American family chooses to get coverage from, anywhere in the nation. The power of choice lies with the family – not government bureaucrats or insurance companies. Ridiculing this line of strange attack, The Associated Press stated, “Of course it would, because it’s meant to pay for insurance. That’s like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer.” Furthermore, any additional money left over after purchasing coverage will be controlled by the family in a portable health savings account.”
http://www.johnmccain.com/content/default.aspx?guid=9b94f39b-1650-4a3a-89ef-fba8cba4c868
I would much rather be able to decide who provides my coverage. My employer just decided to increase my copay AND decrease my coverage percentage while decreasing the percentage of the premium that my employer pays.

What has really happened to the “Joe the Plumber” story in the last few days?
I’ll tell you what happened, it has played out and the American people are sick of it…
McCain and Palin using Joe the FAKE Plumber that owes back taxes and really only makes $42,000 a year has become totally PATHETIC!!
What happened anyway, did Joe six pack finally wear out his welcome?
So Republicans, do you really think that old senile fool McCain and his Parrot Palin can milk this thing for two and a half weeks until the election?
I don’t think so….
Better start looking for Jane 6-pack or maybe Jane the plumber? Just make sure she has a license this time and doesn’t owe back taxes OK?

Stef, do work for the GOP? Enough with the cut and paste.

I agree Concerned American. It’s all about making the uneducated feel informed. “Ah, he’s just a socialist.”

Stef:
If you went to BGSU you are OK in my book. It’s them phony POWS who lack command and control experience, who were totally bruised physically and mentally trying to make a come back who are my problem. As the greatest country on Planet Earth do we not deserve to have someone at the helm who is not senile and close to being an octogenarian with a bird brain of a mussed up fashion model of a bye gone age as his sidekick?

visionary,
We deserve the right to preserve our 2nd Amendment rights
Anyone who does not trust a citizen to own a firearm, does not deserve our trust

Go search Drinking With Bob, First Socialism. Now Communism… about Joe The Plumber on You Tube.
Obama followers stay away, you won’t like it.

Jwench,
I believe, if you help someone vote, you should do so in a non-partisan manner
Posted by: Stef | Oct 19, 2008 1:34:04 AM
Yeah right. Why don’t the Republicans take the time to do what is being done here. There are supposedly the party of inclusion.

OneObservation,
It gives us the freedom to choose our health care provider. It takes that power from the employer and gives it to the individual. It take that power from the corrupt unions and gives it to the individual.
Obama would like to keep the power of choice in the hands of the employer and the union–and add the power to the government if an individual has to be part of their collective bargaining for insurance.
Again, if you bought a house, would the bank right you a check or the person you were purchasing it from? If you have your car repaired due to an accident, does the check come to you or the repair shop? If the government paid the individual, they would be baiting a felony conviction.

Joe the Plumber aka Bridge to Nowhere II. Upon further examination, there are some holes in the story.

Sarah Palin is the CNN.com cover story for appearing on SNL. Scary given the state of the economy.

– It gives us the freedom to choose our health care provider. –
As does Obamas plan.. you can keep your existing health insurance and your doctor, or you can buy into the government sponsored health insurance and still choose your doctor.. Same coverage as what the US Congress has, but on a national scale. I don’t hear them complaining about their health insurance coverage.
Plus, the national plan would be affordable due to the size of the number of insured in the pool (like how your employer plan is always cheaper than individual policies), be in competition with existing insurance carriers, forcing competition and further lowering costs, portable, so you can take it from job to job, and available to anyone, even those with pre-existing conditions that are unable to get insurance even if they could afford it.

McCarthyism is well in America today! Next up Fascism, McCain /Palin style.
Will the real Virgina please stand up, Never mind the rest of you 50% of the voting population we know that you are not pro-America, That investigation comes after McCain/Palin are in office.
Give up your freedom, common sense, honor, and decency, vote McCain/Palin.

concerned american,
And, the government would decide what the best level of coverage is–much like my employer does now and much like the corrupt union does for my husband

visionary,
We deserve the right to preserve our 2nd Amendment rights
Anyone who does not trust a citizen to own a firearm, does not deserve our trust
Posted by: Stef | Oct 19, 2008 1:41:32 AM
So in other words, if you are nut job you can still carry a gun?

John McCain’s campaign aides and Freddie Mac.
Black lobbied for Freddie Mac from 1999 to 2004; Berman for Fannie Mae from 2004 to 2008 and for Freddie Mac in 2004; Green for Fannie Mae from 2004 to 2007 and for Freddie Mac in 2003; Culvahouse for Fannie Mae in 1999, 2003, and 2004; and Timmons for Freddie Mac from 2000 to 2008.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200809190013?f=s_search

So in other words, if you are nut job you can still carry a gun?
Posted by: Jwench | Oct 19, 2008 2:04:03 AM
Yes, unless you are convicted of a misuse of said gun
“Nut jobs” drive cars every day

Concerned American,
Are you implying that Obama’s plan pays for the health insurance company that a person chooses? He clearly stated that Americans could use the same plan that he and McCain and other government employees currently have

So in other words, if you are nut job you can still carry a gun?
Posted by: Jwench | Oct 19, 2008 2:04:03 AM
Yes, unless you are convicted of a misuse of said gun
“Nut jobs” drive cars every day
Posted by: Stef | Oct 19, 2008 2:11:09 AM
I bet you are one of them too. What you just said is ridiculous. Wait until somebody gets hurt or killed and then take their rights away, that’s logic at it’s finest.
Hypothetical question:
Say a person is bipolar or has some other mental illness, would you want them owning a gun?

Hypothetical question:
Say a person is bipolar or has some other mental illness, would you want them owning a gun?
Posted by: Jwench | Oct 19, 2008 2:15:42 AM
Yes
Where do you draw the line?
Innocent until proven guilty

What I don’t understand is when the McCain/Palin Campaign has some trouble occur around them they wanted to fix and address the situation right away. Like when Sarah felt that she was done wrong by Katie Couric in her interviews.
She went on talked about how the media was not treating her right with all their, “follow up” questions.
Then she wants to put Barack down and say that he walked away with a sad face.
All I can think about is everytime they put Barack down for something bad, it applies right back to them.

JUST SAW PALIN On SNL!!
Wow, that didn’t work out so well for her, huh? Well it did one thing and that is further her image as a LAUGHINGSTOCK!!
Kind of fell sorry for her. What a bad move by the McCain campaign. Didn’t they think that SNL and Tina Fey would tear her a new one?
Geez, that and Obama having over 100,000 in apeaceful and calm rally in the red state of Missouri today doesn’t play well for McCain today, ya think??
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Concerned American,
And, who pays for the 50% tax credit to the employer?
the tax payer

Obama on 2nd Amendment rights:
Voted against a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products. Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is “designed or marketed” to be armor-piercing. Supports making guns childproof and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment. Would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which allows the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to share data on history of sales and transfers of firearms used in crimes only with federal agencies for national security purposes, or prosecutors needing it for an ongoing criminal investigation or prosecution. Regarding the Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, Obama did not sign a friend-of-the-court brief that urged the Supreme Court to overturn the District of Columbia gun ban. At a debate, when asked about case, Obama said he believes “that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right.” Voted for 2006 amendment prohibiting confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency.

If Sarah Palin is not qualified to be V.P., then Barack Obama is most definitely NOT QUALIFIED to be PRESIDENT.

If Sarah Palin is not qualified to be V.P., then Barack Obama is most definitely NOT QUALIFIED to be PRESIDENT.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 19, 2008 2:59:04 AM
Intelligence alone makes him more qualified.

“…to help us lock down Obama votes before they can be lost to long lines, broken machines…….”
Or…more voters opening their eyes and seeing how much they really don’t know about Obama; more voters deciding they don’t want America to become a Socialistic nation; before the Michelle recording hits the airwaves; and before Tony Rezko causes Obama more problems anew…..
Whichever excuses you choose to believe.

Obama is not intelligent, merely slick.

Cindy McCain has recovered from a prescription medication addiction.
For that matter, Obama was also a drughead, albeit street drugs.

The Republicans tried to make fun of Barack Obama as a community organizer at their national convention in Minnesota, which I guess just goes to show how little Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert have to fear from right-wing “humor.”
Now they’ve gone further: Now they’re attacking ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), one of the strongest, hardest-working, most dedicated community organizations in both Chicago and in 40 states across the U.S.
Why are they after ACORN? Well, I’m sure they’re going to come up with a lot of “reasons” in the coming days. But the real reason is obvious: Because ACORN, along with Project Vote, just announced that they had successfully registered 1.3 million poor people this year.
Get that? 1.3 million, including 148,000 in Pennsylvania, 152,000 in Florida, 217,000 in Michigan, and 238,000 in Ohio. No wonder the GOP is up in arms. They’re scared of too many poor people preparing to vote this year.
In the last week, the right wing has tried to blame ACORN for the collapse of the globalized financial system–yeah, that’s a viable argument. They got excited because they found a some possible fake registration forms in Florida, which predictably led to a bunch of whining from the party that stole an entire presidency from Al Gore by blocking vote counts, mischaracterizing voters as felons, refusing to recount entire counties, sending congressional staff down to riot and intimidate volunteer vote-counters, and topped it all off with the most partisan, badly-reasoned, illegitimate Supreme Court decision since Plessy v. Ferguson. A decision so illegitimate that the partisan majority, to their eternal discredit, themselves damned by writing into their own decision that it should never be used as a precedent for any other court ruling.
This week, the right-wing is hyperventilating because apparently Democratic election officials raided an ACORN office after they found the names of some Dallas Cowboy football players among the 80,000 new registration forms that ACORN helped to get done in Nevada.
Obviously it’s not right for a fake “Tony Romo” to be registered in Las Vegas, so someone was probably playing a not-very-funny joke, or trying to pad their registration numbers to get paid a little more money rather than doing the hard work in the hot Nevada sun that helping voters to register requires, or maybe a provocateur was setting up ACORN for some bad press. But remember the basic point–it’s not voter fraud unless someone shows up at the voting booth on election day and tries to pass himself off as “Tony Romo.” And who would try to do that? No one is going to be that stupid.
The truth is, the main voter fraud efforts going on in my lifetime–and I was born the week of the Selma march in 1965–have been repeated conservative attempts, far too many of them successful, to demonize and suppress the vote of African-Americans and Latinos in election after election, a history for which former RNC Chair Ken Mehlman actually apologized a few years ago, while promising the GOP would no longer engage in such tactics.
So they stole an election from Gore, made the Department of Justice into an outfit for partisan hacks, allowed New Orleans to drown, lied us into a war against a country that did not threaten us, replaced science with bad ideology, indebted our grandchildren to China, and turned our banking system into a deregulated casino–but thank the Lord that “Tony Romo” will not be able to sneak in to vote in Nevada next month.
This time, there are already fake flyers mysteriously appearing on the streets of minority areas of Philadelphia, illegal voter purges in numerous states, “caging” tricks, threats of using home foreclosure lists to strike voters from the rolls, and “black box” electronic vote-counting systems under the control of private companies–and we haven’t even gotten to election day!
Meanwhile, I say thank you, ACORN. Thank you, Project Vote, for taking our democracy seriously enough to try to include 1.3 million more poor people in a more perfect union.

Thank you Rev. Ike! Very eloquently put.

– I wouldn’t know about “smoke screens,” or falling for “Roveian fear and ignorance tactics.” –
Of course not.. those who fall for them hook line and sinker never do, that’s the goal.

What on earth did the Republicans have to do with Obama showing up in Joe’s neighborhood last weekend?
I guess any time Obama ends up looking like an idiot whenever he opens his mouth and inserts foot without his teleprompter properly in place, it must be the Republicans’ fault.

Perfect social experiment.
Take a first time voter who has no real idea what the issues are or what the candidates positions are on them. Open minded and simply want what is best for America and their future.
Show them each candidate, their educational background, and where they stand on the issues and what those positions mean for their future.
over 99% will pick Obama.
Ask me how I know :)

Rev. Ike:
“Stole the election from Gore?” Hanging chads were likely the result of illegal “ballot stuffing.”
When poll worker tried to use the stylus to punch too many cards at once, they didn’t punch all the way through.
Every legal voter should vote, and LEGITIMATE voter registration drives are to be commended. But surely no one wants legal voters being disenfranchised by illegal voters. How is is “disenfranchising” anyone to ask for an id card to prove you are who you say you are? If Mr. Obama is to be the next President, surely his supporters, and indeed all patriotic Americans, want him to come in through a legitimate process so his Presidency has legitimacy. Do you really want the first African-American’s term to have an asterisk by it in the history books that says “may have won b/c of massive voter fraud?”

I guess you can believe whatever you want, and cling to your delusions about Obama. I could care less.
Mark my words, the “wonderfulness” of this idiot is going to end up exploding in everyone’s faces before too much longer.

Yes, Obama’s education does sound good in theory.
Too bad we’ve never seen his college transcripts or thesis, or any of his writings from his college days for that matter.
Most employers would request those items in addition to a resume before they would actually hire a person.

– Too bad we’ve never seen his college transcripts or thesis, or any of his writings from his college days for that matter. –
Yeah, he graduated Harvard Law School magna cum laude by having crappy grades. And he paid someone to put his name on the alumni roster, and give him an alumni award.. and all those news articles about him becoming the president of the Harvard Law Review were ploys because he knew he would be running for president in 2008.
Hook, line and sinker. Pretty sad.
http://www.law.harvard.edu/alumni/hls-community/alumni-awards/index.html

Most states do have early voting.
I still don’t think you caught my drift.

Look, you can show me any list you want to with Obama’s name on it.
My point is, which you seem to avoid because you know it’s fact, that any employer who was wishing to hire someone for an executive position that pays $400,000 a year would ask to see that person’s college transcripts, and samples of writing from their college papers.
Obama has not provided any of these, so I will not be hiring him for the job.

– I was only questioning the actual motives of their reasons for doing so three weeks before the actual Election Day. –
Probably the same motivation the GOP had when they did it in the 2000 and 2004 elections.. if you had a ‘drift’, we would love to hear it.

OK, here’s my drift:
I don’t think the real reason they’re trying to get these people in to vote early for Obama is because they are worrying about long lines or broken machines on election day.
I think they’re hurrying to get the votes cast before people change their mind on Election Day.

OK, here’s my drift:
I don’t think the real reason they’re trying to get these people in to vote early for Obama is because they are worrying about long lines or broken machines on election day.
I think they’re hurrying to get the votes cast before people change their mind on Election Day.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 19, 2008 4:04:41 AM
YEs it’s all a sinister plot against the Republicans.

>> that any employer who was wishing to
>> hire someone for an executive position
>> that pays $400,000 a year would ask to
>> see that person’s college transcripts
Most Law firms would simply need to see he graduated harvard law school with honors (magna cum laude j.d.) and beg him to come work for them. At least all the law firms I deal with would. and a quick call to confirm he was a constitutional law professor at the university of chicago for 12 years would be icing on the cake.
I guess your standards are higher than some of the most prestigious law firms in miami.. that is your problem, not obamas. And yet, you would hire a guy who would have been kicked out of the US Naval Accademy if it were not for his father and grandfather, finished 5th from the bottom of his class, and had a dismal naval career. go figure.

Gigi:
If you or anyone else has SEEN Obama’s transcripts, or his college thesis, please tell me where you found them.
As far as I know, they are M.I.A.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 19, 2008 4:07:34 AM
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are you serious?
did you see Bush’s? (both of them?)
did you see Reagan’s?
if I bring them to you, will you tell me that I MUST bring them to your house? and also bring some pizza? or is that Un-american… would a hamburger suffice?
if I bring them to your house… will you request that they be notarized?
If I notarize them, will you need it to be a raised seal or will INK be ok?
if it’s a raised seal, will you finally tell me the real reason why you are not voting for Obama?
thank you.

I keep hearing that word socialism. Explain to me how you think what he is proposing is socialism.(In your own words please).
Posted by: Jwench | Oct 19, 2008 4:18:55 AM
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it’s the word of the day from the McCain/Palin camp. You’re supposed to repeat it as much as possible until your head feels numb.
If you don’t do it, then their goal of harboring terror in american people’s hearts might not happen. It is important to raise fear, and pandemonium.
keep up broda

Well, when the incoming president will be having to command two wars, I would rather hire someone who has “been there done that” experience in that department, than someone who has no hands-on experience, but merely looks good on paper.
That nine years of assistant teaching constitutional law will certainly be a big help in fighting two wars.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 19, 2008 4:21:06 AM
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Fidel Castro & Hugo Chavez both fill your requirements for president.
Congrats! allow me to wish you bon voyage and vaya con dios.
rumba rumba salsa!! ta da da da yo quiero taco bell! ay ay ayyyyy

Posted by: GIGI | Oct 19, 2008 4:22:05 AM
I wish they would teach them words other than Socialism, marxism and ACORN…lol.

Those who practice socialism are trying to create an egalitarian society where wealth and power are more evenly distributed.
Obama’s desire to “spread the wealth around” fits quite nicely into this doctrine, as does his desire for government-run health care.

I didn’t vote for Bush #1 either.
I have voted for every Democratic presidential candidate for 32 years.
Not this time.

– as does his desire for government-run health care. –
Oh lord, here we go again :)
Government sponsored health insurance is NOT government run health care.. no wonder you are such a confused individual, you really don’t have a clue.
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm126

Besides, Obama belonged and ran on the New Party ticket in Chicago, which was an off-shoot of the DSA Party.

Lee, so you would vote for someone based on hardships and actual combat experience?
and yes, I understand your need to say you voted for democratic presidents. Like I said, I would say the same thing.

Those who practice socialism are trying to create an egalitarian society where wealth and power are more evenly distributed.
Obama’s desire to “spread the wealth around” fits quite nicely into this doctrine, as does his desire for government-run health care.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 19, 2008 4:30:11 AM
I said your OWN words. I know they aren’t yours because of some of the words you used! I bet you don’t even know what this means “egalitarian society”

Look, I have nothing to prove to you regarding my voting record. I share it as proof of my points. Believe it or not, it matters not to me.
And yes, it is true that he ran on the New Party ticket in Chicago when he ran for the State Senate. Newspaper articles that Obama thought were scrubbed have resurfaced. Google DSA Obama. Quite a few articles there to choose from.

Google DSA Obama. Quite a few articles there to choose from.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 19, 2008 4:53:52 AM
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lol oh yes the ones comparing to Che Guevara? does that mean you will vote for Obama then???
Hey it’s a free country, do with your vote what you wish.
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ROTFLMAO….Thank you for the laugh!
Posted by: Jwench | Oct 19, 2008 4:56:33 AM
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this is a farse, even in my wildest dreams did I not envision someone as old as McCain choosing an emptyheaded governor simply because she’s a woman
how did this happen???

this is a farse, even in my wildest dreams did I not envision someone as old as McCain choosing an emptyheaded governor simply because she’s a woman
how did this happen???
Posted by: GIGI | Oct 19, 2008 5:04:09 AM
Because Geezer thought women like me who supported Hillary were stupid and would vote for her just because she is the same gender.

Well, I don’t know what John McCain was thinking, but I do know that there were already lots of female Hillary supporters, like me, who were ALREADY going to vote for John McCain, long BEFORE he ever picked Sarah Palin.

Well, I don’t know what John McCain was thinking, but I do know that there were already lots of female Hillary supporters, like me, who were ALREADY going to vote for John McCain, long BEFORE he ever picked Sarah Palin.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 19, 2008 5:15:18 AM
Where is your Susan B. Anthony quote LEE LEE?

Well, I don’t know what John McCain was thinking, but I do know that there were already lots of female Hillary supporters, like me, who were ALREADY going to vote for John McCain, long BEFORE he ever picked Sarah Palin.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 19, 2008 5:15:18 AM
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yes, because Hillary Clinton’s vajay jay looks JUST LIKE Sarah Palin. THAT is why Hillary supporters MUST vote for Sarah.
ding a ling.

Well, I would HARDLY say that Obama, with his far left, socialistic beliefs and policies isn’t at all in sync with most of the Democratic Party.
So maybe Powell will endorse Nader.

Yes, an African-American who, along with the DNC, disrespected, antagonized, belittled, and cast aside that WOMAN, throughout the primaries, acting as if the nomination was his GOD-GIVEN right, rather than something to win fairly.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 19, 2008 5:18:
PUMA Power? yep I was right.

Esquire, just like the rest of the media, has been in the tank for Obama since day one.
So, I certainly don’t find their title of “influential” too convincing.

Lee, let’s be fair to you. Lets do this and maybe you can help me with my CORE problem with the McCain presidential bid.
CAN YOU, for a minute… talk about WHY and how John McCain and Sarah Palin could effectively run this country out of the godforsaken MESS and a hellhole George W Bush put it into?
you know, as opposed to spending your life trashing Barack Obama…
I just can’t get McCain to um, say anything consistent (except for that recicled acceptance speech) or REAL about how he is going to run his govenrment.

I’ll tell you one thing, most women in this country voting for McCain/Palin certainly have more in common with Sarah Palin than Barack Obama has in common with most African-Americans in this country who are voting for Obama.
Yet they do so to the tune of some 90%.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 19, 2008 5:27:13 AM
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those darn women lol… what trouble will they get into next! lol … Hey Ricky remember when Lucy tried to bring Ccheese into the country by carrying it like a baby? that WAS funny!

– So, I certainly don’t find their title of “influential” too convincing. –
No doubt.. you have already shown your hand by ‘claiming’ you were a Hillary supporter and then decided to vote for someone whos stands for the exact opposite of everything she did. Funny how a majority of women voters are supporting Obama, isn’t it? And you have yet bring up a single issue that you can use as a reason for supporting McCain.. why is that?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108022/Candidate-Support-Gender.aspx

Let’s see, why I support McCain:
1) Trust. Obama has lied about so many things, he is not trustworthy. McCain is who he is, and makes no bones about it.
2) Experience. McCain has been a Senator for almost 30 years. Obama has not finished one term, and has been running for President for most of that term.
3) Courage. Obama does not have the courage to listen to anyone who disagrees with him, or admit when he is wrong. McCain has both.
4) Self-Reliance. Obama does not know how to dig his heels in and stick to his guns. He is too influenced by what people will think about decisions he makes. That is why he votes “present,” on tough issues, rather than taking a stand. McCain is his own man. John McCain “don’t need a “Weatherman” to know which way the wind blows….”

1. McCain has lied about Pork Barrel spending. WE can ALL SEE what happened in the early 90′s
bonus: Sarah Palin sold an airplane in Ebay and made a profit. shame.
2. Experience, McCain has no experience as president of the United States.
3. COURAGE, Senator Obama is the first black man to run for president in the netion that fosters you, my fellow friend. THat, buddy… that takes courage. McCain called Chelsea Clinton ugly. that’s just lame.
4. as you youself stated… McCain’s many many many years far outnumber Obama… do you know what that means? scale them both, and tell me then… who will you vote for again? the one that votes present the most? yes, yes my friend. you will.

“don’t need a “Weatherman” to know which way the wind blows….”
And there you have it, John McCain’s economic plan.
congratulations Lee, you are a scholar!

Joe the plumber was just on Fox News. He no longer has a job, guess where he will be on Monday, at the Dept of Social Services. (Welfare check, food stamps, etc.) He also stated that his friends currently receive welfare assistance, childcare, etc. What a hypocrite!!

Thanks to Joe we now see how Team Obama deals with people who ask questions. The media has dug into his divorce, employment, driving records, and tax records to destroy him on behalf of team Obama. Obama went to this man’s neighborhood, he didn’t go to Obama’s and Obama showed his political ideology. Some americans that make less than 250K do not want to live in a socialist society.
We want transparency in government. We don’t want welfare to be buried in the tax code. Is this the kind of transparency Obama champions? Thanks, but no thanks Obama we stupid little country people haven’t been indoctrinated by Ayers and your other socialist buddies in Chicago.
We are willing to work for a living and will work if our employers are not taxed out of business.

+1 pt for writing in Paris Hilton! she’d definitely help many voters over their case of electile dysfunction!

– We want transparency in government. We don’t want welfare to be buried in the tax code. Is this the kind of transparency Obama champions? –
Oh, you mean like the kind of Transparency that Palin supports:
“We’re going to do a few new things also,” she said at a rally in Cedar Rapids. “For instance, as Alaska’s governor, I put the government’s checkbook online so that people can see where their money’s going. We’ll bring that kind of transparency, that responsibility, and accountability back. We’re going to bring that back to D.C.”
There’s just one problem with proposing to put the federal checkbook online – somebody’s already done it. His name is Barack Obama.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/18/palins-transparency-proposal-already-exists-in-dc/

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plumbers,
What has really happened to the “Joe the Plumber” story in the last few days is that it has played out and the American people are sick of it…
McCain and Palin using Joe the FAKE Plumber that owes back taxes and really only makes $42,000 a year has become PATHETIC!!
So plumbers, do you really think that old senile fool and his parrot Palin can milk this thing until the election?
Add to the nearly $1200 in back taxes owed to the Feds, the twice-divorced Samuel J. Wurzelbacher aka “Joe the Plumber” owes between $700 and $800 in civil traffic fines to Mesa, AZ that he skipped out on from 2000. According to the DMV in Arizona, Joe the Plumber’s license was suspended because he did not pay the fines owing, and he should not have been able to get an Ohio license with this suspension on record. Looks like the Joe the Plumber slipped through a lapse between the time his license was suspended and his getting a license in Ohio.
One more thing – according to the union local serving the Toledo, OH area, Joe the Plumber applied to the union as an apprentice plumber in 2003, but he did not complete the required work. The licensing department in Toledo, OH also commented on licensing requirements by saying that Joe the Plumber must have his own license to do plumbing work, regardless of whether the company where he works has a plumbing license. So…is Joe the Plumber telling the public that he’s been “illegal” plumbing work for the last few years?
I guess that the suspended license situation is going to catch up with Joe the Plumber in Ohio. That’s what happens when you decide to hold a press conference and allow yourself to be used as a tool in a political campaign. The media outlets would have left you alone, but no…you wanted to become relevant…Now you’re it, and you can thank the McCain campaign for your moments of fame or infamy, depending on your viewpoint.
Oh…the price of fame, albeit temporary.
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081019/OPINION02/810190293

Sen. Obama, experience matters. I have made many mistakes in my short life. It is true, when I think about it, that each of those mistakes are among my greatest assets with respect to decision making, each and every one of them. This is because we all learn from our mistakes. At all times, I believe the best of my judgment is anchored in the cement that is my experience. I believe firmly that the longer I live, the more I will have experienced, and the better my judgment will be, on the balance. Sen. Obama, do you really believe that you have made enough mistakes to be the next President of the United States? I respect your ambition. I respect your charisma. I embrace your place in history, but I do not believe you have sufficient experience to lead this planet, not even close.
America, since the mainstream media has failed to examine Sen. Obama’s experience and lack of experience, you will have to determine for yourselves what exactly is Sen. Obama’s experience? What did he accomplish in the Illinois legislature? He was only there for a handful of years. What did he promise he would accomplish? What did he accomplish in the U.S. Senate? He has only been on the job as a U.S. Senator for 1xx days. What did he promise he would accomplish? What has he changed in this world? This country? The Presidency of the United States is an executive position Sen. Obama. Do you have any executive experience? Have you created a budget, negotiated a budget, revised a budget or managed adherence to a budget?
Sen. Obama insists on presenting Sen. McCain’s experience as being only an puppet of the Bush administration. I saw Senator McCain stand up to President Bush’s Defense Secretary. He stood in a manner that no other did. He changed the course of the war in Iraq. What percentage of all GOP legislative votes sided with President Bush’s? What percentage of all Democrat legislative votes sided with Presidents Clinton, Carter and Johnson’s policies? I have no idea, but I’d venture to guess that, had the media presented that information to the American public, we’d find rank and file partisanship throughout our recent history. How many Americans would be surprise by that?
Well Senator Obama, you might be able to claim that you did not support the Iraq war resolution, but what can you offer as proof that it was the right decision at that moment in our history? You were after all in the small minority. Our country was after all reeling from the worst terror attack in our nation’s history. How would history have judged President Bush had he not led our troops into Iraq and then, a massive terror attack occurred yesterday, perpetrated by terrorists that lived and trained in Iraq over the past few years, with or without knowledge of Saddam Hussein? I think about it this way: history failed to present enough evidence to push the World to coalesce and intervene in 1930s Europe. But modern history is 100% clear on that point, it would have been the correct decision. History might well judge the Iraq war to be not a right decision. History will judge the Bush administration on many points. One of those may even record it, in part, as a series of lapses in the judgment of a young President, swayed by the belief and conviction of an older, seasoned Vice President and the overwhelming circumstances of a world that had changed dramatically, in an instant. I agree with you Sen. Obama that we don’t need another eight years of the Bush Administration, we dont need another eight years of an inexperienced President.
Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, Ms. Behar, Ms. Mitchell … you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You and your colleagues might think you have the power to micro-filter democracy’s messages to your liking, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You might think you have the power to subtly, and not so subtly promote and gather others to blindly promote one candidacy, while casting another in the least flattering manner possible, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You do not get to dismantle America’s vote. The mainstream media bias in this election is at best described as repugnant and at worst, a slap to the face of democracy; an assault on the moral and righteous ideal that all American voters should be free to construct their vote on the basis of readily available, factually complete, accurate, relevant and unbiased fact. It is my opinion that, during this election cycle more than any other I have witnessed, the mainstream media has failed millions of American’s who rely on them, as a basis for constructing their vote. Am I wrong? I might be wrong, but I’ll ask you, the American voters to decide that for yourself, by asking yourself some questions. Questions such as why was so much time spent this election cycle mining for dirt in Alaska, why was so little time was spent tracking laundry in Illinois? Why has the mainstream media spent so little time illuminating the razor thin experience that the junior Senator from Illinois maintains as his credentials? Indeed, if the media was prepared to be fair and honest, they would have been able to report, with incontrovertible confidence, that they were reporting fact, that the candidate having the most experience directly relevant to the position of the Presidency of the United States is actually the candidate that has been relentlessly attacked by the media, both personally and professionally. The mainstream media owes an apology to American Democracy for its treatment of Gov. Palin. Why is it, that after finally deciding to give minimal airtime to the ACORN voter registration fraud issue, was it not mentioned that Sen. Obama’s campaign funded ACORN? Sen. Obama, in my mind, there is no distinction between committing voter registration fraud, serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud or funding those serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud. During the last debate, you did a fine job of distancing yourself from ACORN, but you failed to directly confront and condemn those that perpetrate or encourage voter registration fraud. You had a nationwide audience, and you chose not to act.
The President is the commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces. That is a serious responsibility. I question how you can expect us to believe that you will effectively maintain the moral, skill and competence of our forces after you have insulted them. What will serve as your experiential basis for leading the U.S. Military? Do you have any military experience at all? Have you ever served in ROTC? Do you know firsthand the horrors of war? I believe that firsthand knowledge and experience is the most critical element one can use in formulating decisions, including the determination of when to and when not to deploy U.S. Military forces. Sen. McCain has that experience. That I know. That he has shown. The media can’t take that away from him.
With regard to foreign policy experience, do you think you are qualified to navigate the most powerful democracy the world knows during a time when the fundamentals of democracy are very much under attack? Are you ready to face Mr. Putin? Mr. Chavez? Kim Jung Ill? China? Iran? Are you ready to answer the 03:00 phone call? What experience do you have that I should judge gives you readiness? What is that experience? What foreign leaders have you negotiated with directly? What treaties have you signed? The media has presented none and neither have you. I have a good number of stamps in my passport Sen. Obama. I lived and worked in Germany for a brief period. Sen. Obama, I am not qualified by a longshot to make United States foreign policy, and you may only be marginally more qualified than I.
The oratorical is no substitute for judgment or experience Senator Obama. I do not believe that you have the experience to be President of our country. Experience matters Sen. Obama, and you are not ready, you have not made enough mistakes. But most glaring to me, Senator Obama is the one mistake that you seem willing to make over and over and it is the worst mistake one can make. That mistake is the action of not owning one’s mistakes.
Sen. Obama, you claim that you will cut taxes on 95% of all Americans. Is that true? Or let me rephrase, how can that be true? You told the voters of Illinois that you would cut taxes, but you have failed to do so in the U.S. Senate. Did you even try? Did you present a bill? Were it a committee issue did you encourage your peers to present one? Have you ever voted for a tax cut? What did you mean Senator Obama when you told Plumber Joe that you wanted to spread the wealth? Do you mean that you want to take money from Joe and give it to those with less money? Your running mate, Sen. Biden has commented that you would not be taxing additionaly those making under $250,000 a year. Sen. Biden commented that he knows no plumbers that make over $250,000 a year. I think that those who claim your tax policies embody class warfare are wrong. Wrong, because the policies are class warfare policies, but they are not directed against the haves, they are directed against the have-nots. Senator Biden, you may well be correct that few plumbers earn over $250,000 a year, but some that own plumbing contracting businesses probably do. What do those that spin your message have planned to say to that one plumber out of maybe six or seven that was employed by a plumbing company, but was laid off, because business is slow, new homes weren’t being built and President Obama’s tax increase forced the owner of the plumbing business to lay her off? The owner tried every angle possible, but was forced to make a tough decision. They were faced with the prospect of either making a tough decision or risk running the entire operation into financial distress and end up having to close operations and fire all workers? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell her that, even though she has no job, she does at least still have affordable healthcare? Senator Obama what will you say to the unemployed plumber in Ohio, father of two, that nearly had a job secured, the owner had just signed a good contract for a small building and he was ready to hire that plumber, but learned from his accountant, that Senator Obama’s tax increase has made it not possible to hire another employee? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell that plumber, that even though he still has no job, he does have a lower tax burden
Sen. Obama, you have stated over and over that Sen. McCain supports tax breaks for corporations that send their jobs overseas. The media has not reported on this one way or another, but if you are correct, then I commend Sen. McCain for doing so. What you don’t get, Sen. Obama, or perhaps don’t want the American public to get, is that income taxes, to a for profit enterprise are expenses not much different from the costs of raw materials and salary expenses for purposes of this discussion. All else equal, ladies and gentleman, a corporation will locate itself, and its jobs, or begin to locate itself and its jobs, in areas where it is least penalized in terms of taxes. This is how for profit American corporations behave and this is how they must behave. Their competitors are operating in that manner, continually scouring expenses to search for reduction opportunities. They have to. If they do not, they will be at a cost disadvantage and if their tactical errors are sustained, they may well go out of business in which case, even those jobs which remain in the United States, could also disappear. Even if the company does not fail entirely, some jobs may be eliminated, and chances are great that the highest cost jobs would be targeted first. Sen. Obama, America is not a low cost country, in these circumstances, they would be targeted first, all else equal. When those jobs are cut Sen. Obama, those new unemployed will not have money to support the ‘under $250k’ crowd…they won’t have money to support small businesses…is it sinking in at all?
Your position of not supporting tax breaks for corporations that export jobs overseas, indeed, only encourages them, at the margin, to further export jobs, or slow their job creation in the United States or end their job creation in the United States. This is global economic reality. The media can not distort this fact for you. At the final debate, I heard you add a carrot to your plans. You pulled that same tax string attached to the back of your head and out came the message you think the voters want to hear. If I got it correct, you’ll give tax credits to corporations that create jobs in America. In case you don’t know Senator Obama, this already happens today at the state and local level all across America. Have you thought about how much additionaly, it will cost the U.S. Treasury to employ workers, in an audit fashion, in order to verify which of all the xx million jobs that corporations claim they created actually exist? What are the time constraints? How long must they keep the job filled in order to receive the credit? What would happen when that time passes? Let me get this correct, you want to first keep tax rates on corporations high or raise them – thereby encouraging employers large and small to export their operations and jobs – and then at the same time you want to turnaround and give them a tax credit? You do realize that they are policy opposites don’t you? It looks to me that you might be trying to convince us that it would be a good idea to spend more on government for an unknown expected net job increase. If you can convince us of that Senator Obama, I’d suggest you also try to sell us a bridge to nowhere. Your tax policy is bigger government, bigger IRS, more regulatory burden on American Corporations and more administrative overhead makes them less competitive in the global market and less likely to employ. It is not the right policy Senator Obama.
Go back to the Senate and accomplish something Sen. Obama. Your candidacy is an insult to America.
oh and ps, the verdict has been in for decades on the effectiveness of spreading the wealth policies. Go visit an American Indian Reservation Sen. Obama. The only thing that has changed for the past several decades is the faces of the Washington politicians that have redistributed wealth to us. Do you have any clue what the average unemployment rate is in Indian Country Sen.Obama? Illicit drug use rate? Teen pregnancy rate? Pick a rate
Senator.

There is NO taking of rich man money in a sack and giving it to loser man who can’t get a job. There is NO Robin Hood or Socialism here. If you make a quarter million a year, you pay more taxes. You make less than that you pay fewer taxes. Make more, pay more. How hard is that?

I am not sure what is more delusional.
Voting for McCain or posting a 100 + word rant here attacking Obama and thinking anyone reads it.

Can we please be informed of who the speech-writers are! We should at least know their names and credentials, don’t you think? I mean if Gov Palin has to “Beg them” not to do something and they still go ahead and do it and she CONCEDES to their bidding…. Obviously they’re the one’s who are going to govern as Vice President of USA….?!!!! Why worry about whether she’s qualified enough or suitable to be VP when its them doing all the work and making the decisions!

Can you negative people get a hold of yourselves please??? ACORN is under the same scrutiny as any other organization that has anything to do with voting. Why didn’t anyone question the questionable way that the Bush plague won his last term in office as our current failed president?? Do we allow the media, and he-said-she-said way of getting the word out about anything that really doesn’t have anything to do with the REAL ISSUES?? Voting for a president that has real experience is irrelevant. McCain said it himself on Letterman the other night when he pointed out that Reagan was a cowboy, not an international negotiator, or even had any political experience. Obama was a top attorney, and graduated top of his classes in law school. So did his wife. Does anyone even know anything real about any of the candidates? It doesn’t appear that way by all your rants and raves, and ugly desires to be the only “right” person on the page. So pathetic, and sadly the way this country is heading because most of you are slaves to the media and believe EVERY ignorant word you read and hear. Does “baaaaaahhhhhh” mean anything to you sheep?

Interesting how the words of “Joe the plumber” have given Palin and Mccain a new sticking point on which to challenge Obama’s tax plan. Thank God for Joe the plumber, I guess. Nevertheless, on Oct. 20 on Hannity & Colmes , he seemed to have no real understanding of socialism. In fact, after Colmes questioned him, he so obviously deflected the question with a question of his own, admitting that he did not know enough to have an informed discussion on socialism to begin with. It’s disappointing that this pair of “mavericky mavericks” are quick to take the much traveled easy but low road in campaigning, but come up with legitimately shaped arguments that will allow them chip away at their opponent’s plans, they can’t. When you look at the plans of both candidates, there are so many questions, that average Joes and Janes might ask, but the candidates seem clueless because on neither side are they being asked. So if, there are any more Joe or Jane plumbers out there, please, advise these people.