Palin Reaches Out to Women Voters, Slams Obama for Passing Over Clinton

I think we can safely assume that Palin is no feminist and has failed in her primary role of luring disgruntled Hillary voters. Why is she still peddling talking points on this months after the Biden pick and the period when Hillary backers were ripe to be wooed? Did she get an old speech?
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During a week in which the Republican ticket is trying to highlight its connection to the working class and promoting its newest campaign tool, Joe the Plumber, it was revealed that Palin’s fashion budget for several weeks was more than four times the median salary of an American plumber ($37,514).
To put it another way: Palin received more valuable clothes in one month than the average American household spends on clothes in 80 years.

Matt – I share your sentiments in general, but I am still worried that there is a “Palin effect” out there i.e. people are secretly supporters of her and may vote for the ticket, but will not admit it publicly or to pollsters. But I do not think it is correct to say that she is not a feminist. Feminists come in all shapes and forms and she cannot be discounted and disrespected just because she does not fall in line with the traditional definition.

Palin: “When it came time for choosing, somehow Barack Obama just couldn’t bring himself to pick the woman who got 18 million votes in his primary, and that seems to be too familiar a story isn’t it?”
No, actually, governor, its never happened before… ever.

This is the thing that’s driving Palin’s numbers down, and negatives up. She just keeps spouting off with this stuff that sounds, well, stupid.
Her argument is that Clinton was the runner-up in the primaries and thus should have been the running mate, but wasn’t chosen because she’s a woman.
The obvious problem with that argument is that Palin herself never got a single vote in the Republican primaries.
If the runner-up deserves to be the running mate, then why didn’t McCain pick Huckabee? Is there a glass ceiling holding down Baptist ministers?
Actually right about now, McCain might be asking himself why he didn’t pick Huckabee as well, but that’s another story.

If Palin would stop her dog-gone it, joe six-pack etc., she might appeal to more working women. As I listen to her, I am totally turned off. I want an intelligent woman like Hillary in the White House, not a silly ninny.

Palin – Hillary will be in the White House with Obama she’s taken over Condi’s position. You are stupid not to believe that Hillary will not be a part of such a smart team as Obama’s.
We love you Hillary see you in 2009… Stick a fork in John McCain for choosing such unvetted and hurried pick as Palin.

And the simple fact is there has never been a runner-up consolation in modern times. The nominee picks his or her running mate.
For political reasons, sometimes the nominee will pick a primary competitor. Reagan with Bush comes to mind. Or even Kennedy with Johnson.
Most of the time, the nominee doesn’t do this.
To argue otherwise is to either be ignorant or to just play someone who is ignorant on TV. With Palin, I’m not sure which it is. She clearly doesn’t even understand the role of the vice president, so this kind of basic ignorance on how running mates are selected is possible.
Now I’m not saying that Biden was an obvious pick over Clinton. I was expecting Bayh and hoping for Zinni. Clinton would have been interesting, but I do think picking her would have been problemmatic. But in the end it wasn’t my call nor Palin’s. It was Obama’s call.
He made a good choice. I’d argue not a great choice, and given some of the things he’s motor-mouthed on the trail, I don’t think I’d have too much argument with that. But Obama certainly made a better choice than did McCain.

Palin asks why Hillary wasn’t vetted – sorrysarah, I don’t believe it would have been necessary to vet Hillary. The question that you should ask is ” why didn’t mccain do a better job of vetting me”? If he did, you’d be back in alaska now, probably shooting moose or getting that natural gas down to the lower 48, or something that better suits than the bought and paid for wardrobe the repubs took care of for you. Cheers, don’t get caught in the landslide in 2 weeks!

Sweetie Hilly is TWICE the ve p you would make.Just lookin for votes are we.
You are the worst one to say anything you are a liar a thief a crook and have nothiing unless you use your power as Gov.I sure hope they tell you to go to hell, not wanted in Alaska either….

The reason why Obama did not choose Hillary is because it would question his legitimacy.
Remember Obama got less votes than Hillary and only got the nomination because of a flawed system and the sexist Dem hierarchy/

Elizabeth Cady Stanton , Lucretia Mott and Susan B. Anthony, and all the other women
That fought for womens rights, you must believe that Sarah blink and wink Palin is notThe end result of your struggles. Our country has produced lots of intelligent smart women. If sarah Palin is truly the choice of the Republican party, It tells me what the party thinks about women.

Wow, Palin is really grasping at straws here. Who is she to even utter the word “vet”? She is the antithesis of free-thinking, progressive women everywhere (feminist or not). For her to play the feminist card is silly if not downright insulting.

Sarah Palin, YOU ARE NO HILLARY CLINTON.
To tell you the truth I don’t think Hillary wanted it. She can do more good as a Senator.

This Hillary supporter is voting for Palin. Issues be damned. My vote is mine and I’ll use it however I see fit. Obama passed on Hillary, I’m passing on Obama.

One of the many ironies here is that if Obama HAD picked Hillary, there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that McCain would have picked Palin!
That being said, I’ll add that I would have paid good money to see Hillary rip Caribou Barbie to shreds in a debate. Biden beat her but Hillary would have demolished her!

I can understand how Obama took some critizisms for not choosing Clinton, but I believe that he belives he made the best choice for the country. He did. Nothing against Hillary, she is remarkable.
However, is it fair to even make comments as Palin has about this selection? How rediculous is it? And is it fair to say that McCain is more sexist than Obama since he believed picking a woman to pull Clinton voters would get him into the White House? This is outrageous.

This Hillary supporter is voting for Palin. Issues be damned. My vote is mine and I’ll use it however I see fit. Obama passed on Hillary, I’m passing on Obama.
Posted by: jose | Oct 22, 2008 9:04:22 AM
Go ahead and vote for her and pappy. Shows me as a Hillary supporter that you didn’t care what she stood for.

There is no “feminist movement” in the USA. There is a progressive womens ideology. These are vastly different things.
Gov. Palin came from a very humble backgroud and has achieved what few have. Instead of that being lauded, it is made fun of and ridiculed. Why? because she is a regular woman who made it on her own.
She didn’t have the rich family or elite connections and she holds conservative views. So,she is attacked and denegrated in the most vile ways.
The idea of a feminist is a joke. So called feminists don’t look to support all women. They only support those who share their far left views. If you’re a crack whore living on the street, they love you. If you are a college girl who chooses to sleep around and have abortions, they love you too. If you lean far left and donate money to Obama, they really love you.
However, if you are a wife and mother who has overcome all obstacles to become a Gov but hold conservative views, well your just a stupid moron who needs to get back home and take care of your kids, like a good little girl.
Sickening…

So palin comes from humble beginnings…so what’s your point? So does Obama. So do I. If that entitles me to some sort of special consideration even if I’m underqualified for a position I’d sure like to take advantage of that!
I never said she had to go to her house, but I do hope she goes home. She is pitiful.

John at 9:07am – I could not agree with you more.

Concerned,
My point is that you dislike her for her views. You don’t care about her accomplishments.
I know that Gov Palin is more qualified that Senator Obama. Senator Obama is a negotiator. Gov Palin is an executive who makes decisions and solves problems for a living.
You and I clearly see things from a very different view. That is perfectly fine in America.

“If you’re a crack whore living on the street, they love you…” When did these conservatives get a lease on Jesus? Is this the same compassionate teacher who said “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone” when the Pharisees (Jewish conservatives) brought an adulteress before him to be stoned ? If he came back today, would any of today’s religious right endorse him ?

This from an Alaskian posted on another blog.
I’m an Alaskan (99705) and although we don’t want Palin back, I wouldn’t wish her or her family on the rest of the nation. This “hockey mom” and “joe six-pack” are worth over a million. Their home in Wasilla is worth more than $500,000, they have two vacation homes, a float plane,etc – you know, just the average family.She has said that she an Todd struggled, wondering how they could afford health care – also not true. Todd is 1/8 Yupik eskimo, and up here that’s like waving a platinum Visa card. Todd and the kids get free healthcare as well as shareholder checks from big oil (all natives do). Here’s the deal – I don’t care what she owns, what she spends, or where she lives – but she’s a liar. John McCain wears $500 shoes, but he pays for them himself and doesn’t lie about it. I’m sure that the Obama’s wear clothes and shoes that are far more expensive than you or I purchase – but they pay for it themselves and they don’t lie about it. See a theme? Palin has charged our state with nearly $25,000 in travel expenses for her kids , and doctored the expense reports to say that the kids were on “official business” She’s a liar. I remember her when she was just Sarah Heath, a really bad sports reporter – but at least then she wasn’t costing Alaskan citizens money. She brags about selling off the state plane – yeah, she did. AT A LOSS TO THE STATE. Good call, Sarah. She has sent thousands of Alaskan gas line jobs to Canada, abused her power, violated ethics codes, and is basically drunk on seeing her face on the cover of magazines. Folks, she is simply NOT ready or qualified to be VP. It’s laughable when posters here say that of you don’t like Palin it’s because you’re jealous of her “brains and beauty”. She placed third in a Miss Alaska pageant, came back the next year trying to compete as Miss Big Lake and didn’t make the top ten. We’ve seen her struggle to string together a coherent sentence while trying to stick to her flashcard talking points – I just can’t find anything to be jealous about. Besides, I’d rather have a really ugly, but wise VP any day. What do looks have to do with being qualified? Those posts are merely the last gasps of a dying campaign that’s out of ammunition. Sorry folks, it’s over. Obama-Biden ’08.

John,
Accomplishments are great. But where you and I disagree is whether her accomplishments make her suitable for office. I think they do not.
Of course I have concerns about her views. I disagree with McCain about 85% of the time. Are you suggesting that I put views aside and vote for her because she is a woman with some modest accomplishments?
She is not ready for this responsibility and does not represent me as a citizen or as a woman.
Nuff said.

I’m not religious. I just have eyes and can see. Where did I say anything about God?
I don’t have those answers for you.
What I do know is that I know many women just like Gov Palin. They are strong and accomplished. She is a Gov and yet that is a joke to the left because she has a different view point.
It matters very little whether we agree or not. I believe that there are more people who view her favorably than what many want to believe. I think this will be proven soon.

It is funny how Americans will judge Sen Palin’s abilty and qualifications to run this country, even though she is much more qualified than Obama. They are afraid to judge Obi like that, why? Is is because he is a man. Stupid American women, you are always lowering your standards and this time you are proving you will always be second base. Ha Ha

I am so sick of hearing this “elitist” BS. I grew up in a small town, got myself through non-Ivy league schools and am now successful. This woman holds no sway on me. Why? Because she doesn’t know anything, and she doesn’t really care that she doesn’t know anything. I do not want any of my leaders winking at me or dropping their ‘g’s, I want someone with intellectual curiosity. She is the worst kind of joke I could imagine for feminism. You HRC supporters that are supporting her are delusional. She is no HRC. She is not even fit to be mentioned in the same sentence.

By America I mean all of us. I believe in your right to disagree with me. I hope you will extend me that too.
I love my country and my countrymen. I want America to succeed for each and every American. I am not sure how you read into my post that I somehow held you apart because I respect Gov Palin and others do not.
I am sure you are a reasonable person and feel justified in your opinion. I was not attacking you or anyone else. I just hold the view that if Gov Palin held views like Speaker Pelosi (who is also a mother of 5 by the way) she would be a “feminist hero”.
Believe what you will. I hold no ill will against my country or countrymen, regardless if I agree with them or not.

People are afraid to admit they will not vote for obama. tell that to a pollster or media person and you get the Joe the plumber treatment.
The Bradley effect will now be known as The Joe the plumber effect.

“Palin should keep Hillary’s name out of her mouth. She is not worthy”
typical Obama thug speak. silence free speech in America.
PUMA for McCain

Tell Sarah Palin she doesn’t know what she is talking aobut. Her running mate has never supported women’s issues!! Go check the votes. As for Sarah herself in Alaska – never supported woman issues!!

john’s point isn’t that she deserves an automatic pass on the vetting but that she does not deserve to be automatically ridiculed just because she isn’t an east coast liberal.
My god, this lady has negotiated a very tricky agreement with oil companies, a foreign government, various local interests etc. and she doesn’t seem to get an ounce of credit. Mind you, she did this before “energy independence” became the latest fad in the liberal cocktail circuit.
If there’s any doubt that the media is sexist, their treatment of Hillary and Palin have totally exposed that.

alain, if you believe that Palin is qualified, there is something terribly wrong with you. She just announced that the VP runs the Senate, and can “get in there and make good policy decisions”. We should expect our presidential candidates to at least read the US Constitution. Your post is complete rubbish.
concerned, Yes, if liking to read and wanting to learn is elitist, then I am an elite. This woman is perfectly happy to spew talking points, regardless of their validity, and is therefore necessarily disqualified from the position because of it.

“Palin should keep Hillary’s name out of her mouth. She is not worthy”
typical Obama thug speak. silence free speech in America.
PUMA for McCain
Posted by: geevill | Oct 22, 2008 9:31:45 AM
Geevil the little PUMA troll. Go back under the bridge.

Why is Palin not feminist? BEcause she happened to have children? How many children do you have to have not to qualify for the feminist label?
I’m sorry for the American women who can’t see out of the box. They keep on knocking each other and let me tell you. That’s not feminist.
But Palin is right. She’s telling the truth and that’s what hurts the Obama’s suporters and the wanna be feminists.
Obama camp didn’t pick Hillary because they’re sexist. This is a sexist, sexist society and the Republicans proved to be less sexist then the so called progressives. When it comes to woman’s rights the Democrats are not progressive.

If we are talking about not vetting someone, it should be about McCain’s selection of Palin. He threw away the race with that pick. Palin is no Hillary. I find Palin an embarrassment to professional and independent women – her amateur antics during the debate were absolutely juvenile.

This is the first time I’ve read this blog and was I surprised? Not really. It is the most far left blog I’ve ever encountered. Made up of the most vile responses one could imagine. As a democrat, I’m embarrassed at the tone and content of some of the replies. What has happen to civility to get one’s point across? I see it’s long gone on this blog

Given her comment on the VP’s job, ask yourself this: Could Sarah Palin pass the test to become a US citizen?
It is laughable that she would claim to be better qualified than Barack or Joe Biden. LAUGHABLE!!

Ms. Palin’s right…Obama didn’t pick the person who got the second-most number of votes in the primaries (and most presidential candidates don’t). For that matter, McCain didn’t pick Romney, or Huckabee, each of whom could claim to have gotten second place in the Republican primaries. The difference is that Obama obviously chose the best fit, and didn’t try to shoe-horn a woman into the job just because she is a woman. Unlike a certain Republican nominee, who obviously chose the wrong person for the job just because she was female and ultra-right-wing.
Joe Biden may not be the best of the best, but he’s a heckovalot better than Palin ever could be.

Anyone notice a pattern with the majority of comments here?? Me too…
What is incredible to me, is that people that claim to support Obama are vitriolic and insistently disingenuous.
I thought that Obama was supposed be above dirty campaigning, but his supporters have been ugly since day one. Talk about a disconnect.
Obama is inspiring? All I see is that he inspires people to be ugly in order to defend him. That is not positive leadership.

Palin slams Obama for passing over Clinton? What about McCain passing over Romney for Palin? That’s the real tragedy and the reason why McCain will lose this election.

Well at least Palin’s got the wardrobe, hair and makeup down! That cost ought to go over well with Joe the Plumber!

Posted by: Leisa | Oct 22, 2008 9:44:34 AM
Oh please, the amount of trash and lies and hateful posts by the GOP supporters is 10 x’s worse. Go over and read the blogs on Colin Powells endoresement.

It’s a blog; get over it. Happens on all them.

Palin brings in thousands and thousands of people at her rallies, so ABC are you going to report that? you women who tear her down, shame on you. i guess the real defination of feminist are jealous bitter women who tear down other women… i have a co worker who is black and he is voting forObama because he is black, that is his only reason… when it is a women, you become haters and you set successful women back to the beginning when we were worthless and beneath men, you are now valiadating those times… all women who are successful all have different opnions and different approaches,m who cares if she has a different value as yours, you should be behind a successful woman!! YOU ARE NOT TRUE FEMINIST FOR TEARING DOWN A SUCCESSFUL WOMAN

does this idiot Palin really believes that the Hillary supporters are listening to her? Does she really believes that Hillary and her followers would like to see her as president? Hillary Clinton is much too smart to fall into her trap, I respect Hillary as a politician and woman , but this idiot of Palin ,she is a disgrace to women she should go back to the AIP

Palin’s far from squeaky clean. Complete abuse of power happening in Alaska on a variety of fronts.

How ironic – - Palin is slamming Obama for NOT considering Hillary as a running mate; meanwhile the whole world is slamming McCain for considering Palin as a running mate.

Just count the posters above attacking Palin’s speech and see how many are men. Liberal men love to talk about how much they support women but it’s clear that most of them don’t really respect us. That’s why Obama pays his female staff less than his male staff.
And to Paul, YES it has actually happened before that a female presidential candidate in the primaries was not picked as running-mate by the nominee. Here are just a few: Patsy Mink, Bella Abzug, and Pat Schroeder, for the Democrats and Elizabeth Dole for the Republicans.
Of these, Pat Schroeder and Elizabeth Dole were serious candidates with national support, but they were passed over by their party’s nominee. So Palin is right! It is a too familiar story.

Al Queda is playing a “reverse psychology” game with the American people. They think that if they say they want McCain that we won’t vote for McCain because he is the “terrorists” candidate. Actually, Hamas as well as many other terrorist groups have endorsed Obama. Sarah Palin is just reminding the country that Obama didn’t choose the most qualified person for veep, Hillary Clinton. Biden is nothing but a gaffe master. I’m extremely concerned about this guy being involved in our foreign affairs. Anybody ever heard the expression, “Loose lips sink ships?” This guy’s lips flutter like a paddlewheel on a riverboat!

TELL’EM SARAH!
WHY DID OBAMA NOT EVEN VET HILLARY? WHY IN THIS CAMPAIGN DID THE DEMOCRATS AND OBAMA, THE SO-CALLED CHAMPIONS FOR WOMEN’S RIGHTS, CONTINUOUSLY BASH AND DEMEANOR WOMEN.
OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ARE THE TRUE SEXIST AND RACIST!

“YOU ARE NOT TRUE FEMINIST FOR TEARING DOWN A SUCCESSFUL WOMAN”
I am a feminist for holding Sarah Palin to the same standard as the other candidates. Her obvious lack of knowledge of the most simple issues is astounding. She has no idea what the Constitution says, she cannot name a Supreme Court case other than Roe v. Wade. She has learned a speech and she delivers it well. There is not a unique thought in her head.

I am a Hillary supporter who is giving my vote to McCain/ Palin. Obama and the Democrats did nothing but make ignorant comments towards women.

Palin attracts women who are like her. Women who are strong, independent,confidante, educated, motivated with both morals and values.
We know that these traits infuriate those of you who rely on others for information without the ability to think for yourselves. You are good at regurgitating someone else’s talking points without caring or knowing the facts!!!
Posted by: JP | Oct 22, 2008 9:51:18 AM
Ummm…no all of us confident,intellgent successful women DO NOT want to be just like Sarah. I am sorry but this woman is a first class twit. She has morals???? The Ethics queen? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081014/ap_on_el_pr/palin_state_ethics;_ylt=An1k_.Q0V097hZmZl4Fxyw.s0NUE
Quit insulting us women who have a clue.
As far as your comment about Hillary, 18 million people disagree with you.

If anyone believes Palin or McCain is an advocate for women’s rights or equal pay for equal work, they should have their head examined!

Somebody said “who cares if she has a different value as yours, you should be behind a successful woman!! YOU ARE NOT TRUE FEMINIST FOR TEARING DOWN A SUCCESSFUL WOMAN”
Wow. That sounds very ignorant.

Concerned,
Yours is s typical response that every woman can relate to. When a woman does something positive, it is belittled and diminished by stating that she had nothing to do with it, others also helped etc. etc. Bottomline is there was only one person who had the power to negotiate the agreement – that was GOVERNOR Sarah Palin. And she showed that she could use that office to do some good, even if nobody is watching. I mean was it even a major news item in the American press when this was accomplished? YOu might think it is not much but whenever somebody takes a positive step toward energy indepedence (be it via the conventional route or the alternate route) they have my highest regard.
You may not want to see the obvious just because a conservative WOMAN has accomplished it but its your prerogative to bury your head in the sand. I won’t stand in your way.

The list is : two wars at disarray, collapsing banking system, raising unemployment, credit crunch, 3rd world countries on the way to the moon while we retire from space, insane national debt, tarnished International reputation, religious tenshions on the rise even in side CHristianity, and racisim sticking its head out, then the wishful veep says…..what? What the heck is McCain doing? Karl Rove needs to go home, stay home, and shut his big car hood, until this is over on November.

It’s a shame that many women will be suckered in by the rhetoric of a women who LIED and then FALSIFIED government records to support her families travel expenses, charged to the people of Alaska for her minor children. Just how much help can minor children be in the running of state business? Now she contradicts the actions of her boss, John McCain, who chose NOT TO EVEN SHOW UP in the Senate to vote on the “Lily Ledbetter Equal Pay for Equal Work for Women Act”, but instead chose to release a statement from the fundraiser he was attending the day this Senate vote was taking place, stating this act would harm businesses because he feared it would open avenues allowing women who felt they had been wronged by not being paid equally to a man doing the same job, to file lawsuits. I find it hard to believe that any working woman would vote for this ticket, any woman who does most certainly has not done research on the issues supported by McCain/Palin.

John- I respect your views and no one I know would question your right to express them. I also see one America…and it includes big city residents, homosexuals, intellectuals, aetheists, liberals and so on.
That being said, why do you support a candidate that DOES see two Americas? Palin and McCain comments about the “real America” and “small town values” tell us that they view parts of this country as amoral and anti-American.
I am quite tired of being told that I am not patriotic b/c I have steadfastly opposed an immoral war in Iraq, as well as the majority of republican policies that have been advanced the last 8 years and continue to be advanced by McC/P.
I am an American and will love this country, even if (heaven forbid) McC wins and even if (heaven truly forbid) McC dies in office and Palin is president. But heaven help us ALL if either event comes to pass.

Palin attracts women who are like her. Women who are strong, independent,confidante, educated, motivated with both morals and values.
We know that these traits infuriate those of you who rely on others for information without the ability to think for yourselves. You are good at regurgitating someone else’s talking points without caring or knowing the facts!!!
Posted by: JP | Oct 22, 2008 9:51:18 AM
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You mean Palin attracts biotches? Let’s face it – that’s what she sounds like out there. The woman is the type of woman I try to stay away from.

am a Hillary supporter who is giving my vote to McCain/ Palin. Obama and the Democrats did nothing but make ignorant comments towards women.
Posted by: gina | Oct 22, 2008 9:59:26 AM
Gina, how can you vote for people who do not share the same vision that Hillary had for this country. The primaries are over, it’s done. Even Hillary has gotten over it. I suggest you do the same.
I was a Hillary supporter who saw that McCain is no good for this country and with his pick of Palin it just reinforces that.

I am a feminist for holding Sarah Palin to the same standard as the other candidates. Her obvious lack of knowledge of the most simple issues is astounding. She has no idea what the Constitution says, she cannot name a Supreme Court case other than Roe v. Wade. She has learned a speech and she delivers it well. There is not a unique thought in her head.—
says who? katie Couric? she was interviewed by Cameron on Fox and she was able to name 3 Supreme court cases easily. the problem with katie Couric grossly distorted interview is that they had to edit 2 hours worth of interview into 6 mins, remember when a MSM glorifies a messiah, they trash and tear down his opponents which ABC has done so greatly. Biden made 10 misstatements during the VP debate.. Katie couric interivews him and they he talks about how during the great depression FDR got on TV to calm the people down andKatie goes “ohh how yiou are soo in tune with the american people” ummm, FDR was not president and there was TV like what we have now.. woiw your brillant Couric is feeding you distorted lies….
Roe Vs. wade would be hard to be overturn. Palin stated she wants to see the number of Abortion reduced, is that wrong? or are you excited that there are like 40 million babies aborted a year?? are you excited that Obama permits partial birth and that if a babie survives the doctor puts that aborted baby in a closet to die? does that make you a proud feminist for supporting that?
Biden is a joke. Obama has no exepreince at all

Fob,
You continue to misunderstand me. I am all for a strong woman accomplishing things. But, when considering a candidate for VP it is within my right (and I would dare say it is every voter’s responsibility) to have a clear understanding of the candidate’s actual role in the policies (s)he uses to demonstrate his/her ability to fulfill the role (s)he seeks to fill.
Having done that, she comes up short.
Now, let me also say that I can admire a woman or a man for mild success and achievement, but I cannot SETTLE for that level in a candidate for VP.
We need to hold all these candidates up to a higher standard. And I would suggest that people aren’t doing that with Palin simply because they’re playing the woman card.

Susan-1: You don’t even know the facts. Stop talking. McCain does pay equal wages to women, it’s the “Messiah” who doesn’t pay women as much
Posted by: esm | Oct 22, 2008 10:03:54 AM
SHe’s not talking about campaign workers, she is talking about all the time he has been in the Senate. He has not been good on women’s issues. The same guy that called his wife the “c” word. Real stand up guy for women.

I can certainly believe that she charged the “good folks of Alaska” for thing she shouldn’t have. Interestingly enough no one is really picking up this story. And what about the RNC paying to clothe her and the family for the public appearances, they would have been better off to let her come out in her own clothes, then she really could have been like the rest of us. I think she is an illusion for that RNC there. She should be investigated again for her ethical behavior and mis-management of funds in Alaska. And really, she should know what the VP does in the Senate by now, but no she made another boo boo this week about that too.

I’m a self proclaimed feminist, lesbian lawyer and democrat who supports McCain/Palin. I do not believe that the perfect feminist is an Ivy League grad. I can look past the dropped g’s.
I’m taxed at the Single HOH rate, am drowning in student loan debt with 3 little kids to feed. A tax increase for me will be devastating to our monthly budget and I will be in the Obama’s “wealthy” category for the first time in my life. I’m not prepared to spread that “wealth” around in lieu of paying off debt and saving for my kids college.
On the other hand, I won’t accept a federal same-sex marriage ban and believe in expanded healthcare.
Tough decision.

Palin is pathetic.

esm here are your facts -
McCain has repeatedly voted no on issues pertaining to birth control and abortion.
McCain voted no on bills aimed at stopping domestic violence against women. This includes bills aimed at children who suffer as a result of domestic violence.

I can’t believe some of you women call abortion rights “reproductive” rights. Despite your views on the issue… reproduction is one thing.. abortion is another… so don’t confuse the two issues like your some martyr for reproductive rights.

Palin asks, “You’ve got to ask yourself why was Senator Hillary Clinton not even vetted by the Obama campaign?”
I ask, “How is it that Governor Palin was so poorly vetted by the McCain campaign?”

Posted by: fob | Oct 22, 2008 10:08:31 AM
You just showed you don’t have a clue. Those stories are old. Don’t ya think that somebody somewhere would have connected the dots by now if there were anything to them? Even Fox hasn’t dug up anything….lol Come up with some new material.

SO, sounds like most of you will be on Obama train…..Do you really, really, think he gives a dam……
Corp America runs this country (just check the stocl market…)
You getting played and I love it. Finally (if he is elected)there will be no more talk of RACE in this country…..
It amazes me that American still seem to think someone is going to come along and save them….All I hear is (CHANGE)..Now ask youself, if the system made you million$$$$$$, would you change the system????
I DON’T THINK SO!!!!!!
Good luck boys and girls….

Palin on the side of women…what a joke. And for her to even mention Hillary makes me realize what a complete blunder McCain made by choosing this candidate. My vote stands…Obama will do more for women than this bubblehead ever would.

Mark – here is the deal. When you suddenly grow a womb? Get back to me. If men had to give birth this right would be in the constitution. Then there’s the problem with 70 billion owed in back child support. Which men don’t seem to care about. So, I’m going with this is more about control.

This is not about being a woman – she’s a joke – I almost can’t stand hearing her when she talks. I can’t begin to understand why ANYONE would actually think that she knows what she’s doing or that she’s even slightly qualified. I’m a woman, and would have gladly voted for Clinton – but because she knew what she was doing! not because she’s a woman.
Can you imagine Palin as VP… worse… President? Seriously? Please ladies, don’t McCain just because Palin is a woman – that’s just ignorant.

Ah,
So you all disagree with progressive taxation? Go back to 1913 and fix it.

Posted by: fob | Oct 22, 2008 10:08:31 AM
You just showed you don’t have a clue. Those stories are old. Don’t ya think that somebody somewhere would have connected the dots by now if there were anything to them? Even Fox hasn’t dug up anything….lol Come up with some new material.
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Some people will never believe the truth if it slapped them in the face. I’m really tired of all the rumors and lies put out my the McCain campaign and that guy who started all the internet rumors about Obama. If all this was true do you not thing the RNC wouldn’t have the facts posted all over the place. The reason they can’t? They aren’t facts, just made up rumors.

At this point in the game Sarah Palin criticizing anything is like Satan sitting outside the prison yard fence telling the inmates how morally screwed up they must be. It is transparent that she is good at what she does but doesn’t come with the necessary game at this point to play at this level of politics. I don’t know if Mcain made this choice on his own or if the party somehow twisted his arm into it, but I bet secretly right now, he’s feeling a bit like Tom Cruises’ character in the movie Rain Man having to deal with his politically challenged but otherwise brilliant sibling.

gopalin–I am sure she could name cases after she had a chance to be briefed. Yesterday, she explained the VP in such a ridiculous way that the third grader who asked the question probably said, “Huh?”
Mark–I did not mean abortion rights, I meant reproductive rights. Since you do not have a vagina, and presumably cannot give birth, I am sure that I have more of a stake in this issue. Roe v. Wade is only one issue. Painting anyone who believes that reproductive rights are important as “pro-abortion” is ludicrous. I do not support abstinence only education, I do not believe that pharmacists should be allowed to refuse birth control based on their personal beliefs, and I do not believe that Sarah Palin will do anything to prevent unwanted pregnancies in this country.

ahhh… invoking “patriotism” in voting for a white man. That’s as bad as invoking patriotism as a reason to support war. WOW.

What newspaper ever investigated the cost of the wardrobe for Obama, McCain or Biden or any other male candidate? Am I the only one who senses a bias against a female candidate here?

We are seeing the start of the fouth Reich. Media lies, Media Smears, Voter Fraud, Blind followers, Brain washed youngsters, school teachers advocating political views to children and the possibility of a Democrat President, A Democrat House and a Democrat Senate. This alone scares me to death that every citizen of the United States have given their own Rights and Freedom to a political group that can tell you when to sh_t, how often and what color it should be. I for one condemn this kind of government, as would ever American soldier that gave his life to preserve our well being, and freedom. Those of you that are looking forward to this democratic run government need to ask the old timers from WW II in Germany what they think of this type of Government.

Concerned,
I’m sorry but you are being evasive and vague. I didn’t say you lose all credibility by weighing all the issues – quite the opposite. I said you lose all credibility if you don’t weigh all the issues and blindly state that Sarah Palin hasn’t accomplished anything or try to take credit away for what she’s accomplished. You still can’t bring yourself to give credit for some things she’s accomplished. That’s what shoots your credibility with people like me. That said, I respect your right to choose based on whatever criteria you think is important to you.

For women? The “oxyMoron” believes ALL birth control is “abortion.” Which supports about what Bush is trying to do right now. As they scream about entitlement they seem to promote the most stupid garbage that would only increase entitlement.

Paul I so agree. Do tell, are many men just voting for this woman because she’s hot or something here? I just do not get this one. Her head is on disconnect.

to Heather, so if Palin explained in language not understood by a 3rd grader, the MSM would be after her.. if you are thinking of Biden’s take on the VP job from the VP debate, you have been misinformed, Biden was wrong on that too.
Biden was taken off the trail recently because he made a another dumb Gaffe, CNN just confirmed to Palin that they would had crucified her of she made that kind of statement that Biden made.
your man is not a messiah. Biden is a joke. the world is so excited to have Obama win becayuse then they can do anyting they want to us (and we will be wishing that we had not elected the messiah) the world knows that Obama is weak, inexprienced and that Biden is an idiot.

Bitter – Bunk. I’m a Hillary voter too. You’re a die hard republican.

Susan-1: Are you that dense? If your guy is so pro-choice than how come on a number of pro-choice legislations has he not voted in favor but just “present”? BTW, Just b/c someone isn’t pro-choice DOES NOT mean they don’t support women- what an obtuse way to look at things. McCain does in fact put his money where his mouth is and frankly I’m getting the feeling that some women are just threatened by how much Palin has accomplished while raising 5 children. I’m not going ot villianize her just because she has religious beliefs. That’s pretty stupid. She’s done quite a lot in her career so get over it already!!! It’s other jealous women that cause many of the problems with our gender getting ahead. I’m tired of it.

I was HOPING she’d come out and attack on this. THIS is the new direction of feminism – not the whiny, ultra-liberal victimhood of the past. I am a woman who always voted Democratic, am 40, and think the two real problems that women face in this country are precisely those that smacked my candidate, HRC, down: sexism, and lack of access to REAL power.
With one move, John McCain is looking to change all that, and I love the way the Republicans are suddenly progressive in decrying sexism against Sarah Palin. Not because she can’t decry it herself, but because it is just flat out wrong to hold gender against women these days.
As the Dems did to HRC.
I am squarely behind McCain Palin now. She hit the Dems right where it hurts – in their shameful treatment of women. I am glad she had the guts to stick a knife into that oozing wound and turn it, ripping off the pathetic band-aid Obama / Pelosi / Dean / Brazille slapped on it with the ‘all ride the unity pony’ meme.
About bloody time! Go Sarah!

gopalin – Drudge is a far right hack. I do not care what McCain personally pays women. It seems he doesn’t care what anybody else pays them. He didn’t even care to make the damn insurance companies cover birth control either, after they jumped on Viagra. The man is just not into giving a squat about women.
are you sure he is a righty??? i have checked his site daily and he has alot of pro Obama comments on there.. sometimes it is pretty fair and balanced…

As an African American and one who know of the struggles of Marcus Garvey and HIM Selassie 1-
Obama is a Hollywood gimmick

Bitter – wonder what Hillary would have to say to you about that? And how do you think you will have a balance in Washington by voting for McCain/Palin?

Concerned,
Great Obama bumper sticker “No credit for standing up to Oil Companies”.. fantastic, that explains why Obama voted to “credit” oil companies with billions of dollars.
An incredible argument such as this in no way enhances your credibility.

Fob,
Source, please?

sarah, sarah…
should we, as good Americans, condemn john mccain because he didn’t select a better candidate…romney or pawlenty…to help him win the presidency?
it would be a different race had he chosen a better running mate…yeah you betcha!!!
enjoy the trip back to alaska and the inquiry as to why you spent the taxpayers funds flying your children around to watch bubba race in the snow!!!

i wonder if ABC will follow up on the letter that McCain and 19 other senators wrote to try to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie.. Obama name was not on that letter. i saw the actuall letter on Drudge and WSJ last week. Obama voted Present, when he told the world that he tried to control it, he lied and the reason he lied was because her recieved the 2nd h ighest money from Fannie Mae.

“The discrepancy, however, appears be that more top level staffers in Obama’s Senate office are men, and therefore have higher pay.”
Exactly! This is the exact reason that is ALWAYS given when wages appear to be unequal. So tell us, Sen. Obama, couldn’t you find any qualified women for the top posts?
You’ve got to watch what he DOES and not be swayed by what he SAYS.

sharonevolving – Hummm, let’s see. Making women pay for their own rape kits, yeah that’s progressive. Being a hypocrite about morals – she was preggo’s when she married Todd. Had contractors for the stadium being built in Alaska build her a $500,000 house. Had an affair. etc… the list goes on and on. Progressive – I think not! Same old repub crap – doesn’t matter her gender. I will vote for the most qualified and the ones I think will make a difference. Not someone just because she is a woman!

gp – Just what all was attached to the bill. Remember these bills always have attachments.

Palin slams Obama for passing over Clinton? What about McCain passing over Romney for Palin? That’s the real tragedy and the reason why McCain will lose this election.

Taqlking about hijacking African Americans Dream thats Obama and his Hollywood friends

Does anyone believe polls from the Obama only for president,Mainstream Media?
Any polls from ABC, CNN MSNBC etc. are all skewed in Obama’s favor, by at least 5 points, so say all you want the truth will be shown on November 5th.
Obama will go back to Chicago
Acorn will be dissolved
And Pelosi, Reed, Brazile et al will be charged with corruption and fraud in the DNC convention and the RBC voting irregularities…
No one believes these polls, no one believes Obama and the only true Democratic leader was Hillary Rodham Clinton and the DNC ruined their own party….

And under clinton the budget was balanced, taxes were lower, and this country saw a dramatic increase in small business, jobs and millionares.
Hm…

Obama is still an illegitimate candidate for the historic title First Black American President- Those are shoes he will and can never fill wit his partial ideologies as he has kissed the filth of Hollywood and tricked many blacks into voting for him in the primaries suddenly he is on a Middle Class ticket- what- what happen to the black males in the jailhouses etc.

gp – Just what all was attached to the bill. Remember these bills always have attachments.
to jenny-
point is, where is Obamas?? he makes many ” i proposed this” ” I suggested this” ” this was alllll my idea”, yet he votes present.. he only votes if it benefits him.

HI JEN. Can you post where you got all of this information from about Palin, Was it from Rev Wright? maybe Bill Ayers? Tony Rezko? or some bloggers web site. I guess you didn’t read about her banning books or having affairs around Alaska, I wonder to, if she didn’t convince the Oil cartel in Alaska to build Senator Stevens house for 250,000 too. you also forgot about her daughter having the autistic child. Wow your really missing the boat with all the extra info Ive seen out there in space.

I am outraged at the way Obama treated Hillary durring the primary. He and the media are horrible.
I vowed to never vote for Obama even though I am a lifelong democrat.
I will be voting for McCain and Palin this November.
The media has been disgusting with how they smear Sarah Palin and have given Joe Biden a free pass with what he says.
Funny how my fellow democrats said I would “cool off” and “come to my senses and vote Obama”.
I said I will never support him and that means that I never ever support him.
If there is one thing I have learned to do recently is to denounce a president as not being my president. Obama will never be my president. Not ever!

At a rally in front of thousands of cheering supporters, Palin spent most of her speech talking about women. She started by mentioned some female endorsements: First, Prameela Bartholomeusz a small business owner and a member of the Democratic National Platform Committee…Linda Klinge the former Oregon president and now Vice-President of the National Organization of Women…Shelly Mandell President of the Los Angeles chapter of the National Organization of Women here with us today and Lynn Rothschild you may have seen her on television a whole lot lately. She is a member of the Democratic Platform Committee. She is with us here today and Elaine Lafferty a former editor in chief of Ms. magazine they are here today to endorse the McCain-Palin campaign.”
The women were all sat behind Palin on the stage and she then said that the Democratic ticket “presumptuous” thinking that they have won the women’s vote.

I just can’t believe that the McCain campaign does not proofread and fact check the comments that come out of Palin’s mouth. I can see the head of the campaign putting his head in his hands everytime Palin makes a gaffe. I wish we could see backstage footage…LOL. McCain is probably about to have a little accident in his pants everytime she speaks because he has to come after her and clean up the messes that she makes.
At this point if they told Palin to just sit and look pretty I would not be surprised. Just a few more days and this will be over.
Obama/Biden ’08/’12

Jenny Rome Ga | Oct 22, 2008 10:44:23 AM
Wow! Jenny, you question Governor Sarah Palin’s experience.
She has been Mayor, and now Governor of Alaska.
Obama has been community leader…Please!
People are supporting him out of white guilt or out of black pride and for no other good reason.
Hillary was far superior than Obama on so many level it would take a book to list her credits.
Even Sarah Palin has more experience and savoir faire,to be president than Obama has.
Where is Barry Soetoro’s real Birth Certificate? He may not have even been born in America and thus not even eligible to be president?
Why does he hide so much of his past, he is an total unknown?
If Obama were applying to a large corporation for CEO with his resume, he would not even be consider for entry level position…
And he wants to be president of America?

Bitter Hillary supporter- Yeah, who cares whats better for the country.
B.T.W. You was never a Democrat, because they make rational decisions.

Of course Obama wasn’t going to pick Hillary for his running mate. He wanted a puppet with a pulse who would just go along with his leftist illuminati viewpoints. That’s why he picked the man who has done absolutely nothing in his political career – Joe Biden.

TerryDo,
It’s comments like that where I can’t believe that ignorant and bigot people still exist in the US.
It has nothing to do with Black Pride or race for that matter. As I saw on another blog the other day if that were the case the huge number of African Americans that voted for Bill Clinton both times would not have voted because he was white. Now does that make sense?
Give me a break!

Kristen-
Colin Powel endorses McCain. one of MLK jr niece endorses McCain. 4 retired secretary of state endores McCain. umm the MSM is silent on this.
they are silent on every endorsement that the McCain receives…
for Concerned: beleive me i am researching both sides. i come from a family that is either voting for Obama or voting for McCain. the thing is i have found soo many new evidence that are coming to light about Obama that the press is hushing about or stating “no one is interested in that!!”. what is really making me lean toward McCain is the MSM and they continue to glorify the messiah. i mean doesn’t that kind of freak you out? they ahve labeled Obama the Messiah

0bama didn’t pick Clinton as VP because:
- She got more votes than him
- He had to threaten her delegates to vote for him at the convention
- He had to cheat in the caucuses – ACORN anyone?
- He had to cheat at the RBC – and cheat Michigan and FL out of half their votes
- He had run the most anti-woman, misogynistic campaign in history (and he flipped off Hillary at rallies in NC, to the laughter and hoots of his rabid pubescent fans)
- He had to buy off the media to whitewash his cheating and his lying and his dark, dark history
- Ever notice how 2 of Hillary’s most ardent supporters/delegates mysteriously DIED right before the convention? If you believe what the 0bamamedia is telling you – about any of this – then you are stupid.
So, why wouldn’t 0bama pick Hillary for his VP? Because the top of the ticket is rightfully hers – AND HE HATES HER FOR IT. There is some heavy strong-arming going on to keep her from revealing all.
0bots will call this tin-foil-hat stuff – because they’re instrumental in perpetrating all these crimes – of course the accuser is “crazy.”

For Sarah Palin to come off as having a stronghold on women’s issues is almost as laughable as it is sad.
Taking this woman seriously is a daunting task!!!

Susan-1: I’m tired of entertaining your comments…sorry I don’t use the term “va jay jay” and it is unbecoming for you to assume that I support women for the sake of supporting women. It’s offensive to the rest of the people on this post. At the end of the day you can’t deny that Obama pays women less than men- says one thing and does another AS USUAL. BTW, I would prefer Hillary over Obama any day!!!
LET’S GO MCCAIN/PALIN ’08- don’t let glitz and glam fool you- remember: talk is cheap.

gopalin – Drudge has been playing it in favor of McCain from the start here. He’s supposedly a “librertarian.” I figured this out the day he “made up” a rumor that Oprah “refused” to have Palin on her show. There was no truth to that rumor, and it was merely to mess with things. And it worked.

“If Obama were applying to a large corporation for CEO with his resume, he would not even be consider for entry level position…”
You are absolutely right – and as Carly Fiorina said, neither would any of the other candidates in the running.
To be the CEO of a large company you need to be ruthless, care only about profits (and your own perks), and have to answer only to the board. To be a President, you need to make sure not only that you are doing the right thing for the country, but also be able to listen to, convince and motivate the majority of the population. A country, unfortunately, is not a corporation, neither is it an army. Give me a community organizer, a powerful speaker and someone with advisors like Warren Buffett, Colin Powell and Wesley Clarke, any day.

Factcheck also debunks ayers and acorn…

Gopalin: “i have a co worker who is black and he is voting forObama because he is black, that is his only reason… when it is a women, you become haters and you set successful women back to the beginning when we were worthless and beneath men, you are now valiadating those times… all women who are successful all have different opnions and different approaches,m who cares if she has a different value as yours, you should be behind a successful woman!!”
Are you serious?! In one breath you’re ripping on your co-worker for voting for Obama “just because he’s black” and in the next you’re damning us because we’re not voting for Palin just because she’s a woman?!
Honestly!

gopalin,
“Colin Powel endorses McCain..” What did he change his mind since yesterday ? I thought even Rush Limbaugh heard that Powell had endorsed Obama.

“Factcheck also debunks ayers and acorn…”
Fakecheck is a joke that has been proven to be biased.

Concerned | Oct 22, 2008 11:03:24 AM
TerryDo,
It’s comments like that where I can’t believe that ignorant and bigot people still exist in the US.
It has nothing to do with Black Pride or race for that matter. As I saw on another blog the other day if that were the case the huge number of African Americans that voted for Bill Clinton both times would not have voted because he was white. Now does that make sense?
Give me a break!
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When over 94% of African Americans voted for Obama during the primary, if that does not show racism I do not know what does.
And then for Obama’s campaign accuse President Bill Clinton of being a racist, that is what is unbelievable in this country. A president that was so supportive and proactive in AA rights and advancements.
Don’t get on your high horse, there is racism in all races.
This is not just a white black issue or black yellow issue etc, racism is with us and will always be.
Just ask Rev. J Wright who the racist are in his church when they talk about hatred towards white people. What would you call that?

Mack,
You clearly haven’t read the site. They are non-partisan and provide copious sourcing for their information.
Ayers and Acorn have been debunked.
Period.

For all of you mocking Obama’s experience, here’s a little fact (not that it would matter to you). One other president had exactly 8 years in the Illinois state senate and 2 years in the US senate.
His name was Abraham Lincoln.

There are thousands of links about Bill Clinton and his failure to kill Osama bin Laden. Clinton is responsible for the Global War on Terror.
http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/the_9_11_warnings_bill_clinton_missed_and_opportunities_to_kill_bin_laden/
Bush inherited a Clinton Recession and corporate scandals hatched on The Clinton’s watch. Source CNN.
http://money.cnn.com/2002/08/07/news/economy/bush_cheney/
Clinton is the Daddy of the Sub-Prime mess.
http://piggington.com/thank_you_clinton_for_the_subprime_boom_1999_nyt_article

I am embarrassed for Palin. Her comments are hypocritical and idiotic. She touts herself as an advocate for women yet she is on the ticket that opposes equal pay for women. She brings up Geraldine Ferraro who the Dems nominated for VP. It took the Republicans 24 years to name a woman to their ticket.
But, the most frightening thing is Sarah Palin is unqualified for the job of presidency yet she is a heartbeat away from the presidency.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1172-Birmingham-Political-Examiner~y2008m10d18-John-McCains-choice-of-Sarah-Palin-for-VP-may-have-cost-him-the-presidency

To Bishop: What are you talking about? Obama got his party nomination from voters, and only from superdelegates after he had secured the nomination. Even back in May, Obama was getting as many as 75,000 people at his rallies. His record-breaking $600 million fundraising campaign has been from middle-class donors contributing an average of just $80. Obama is finally a candidate enthusiastically supported by everyday people, not just by corporations or moneyed special interest groups. He is an example of mass democracy at its best.

“How many times do you have to get hit over the head before you figure out who’s hitting you?”
- Harry S. Truman (talking to farmers about why they shouldn’t vote Republican anymore) sent to us by Jonny in California

And Gopalin,
the cnn article you site is more of a jab at bush and cheney than anything…

“When it came time for choosing, somehow Barack Obama just couldn’t bring himself to pick the woman who got 18 million votes in his primary, and that seems to be too familiar a story isn’t it?” Palin said at a rally in Henderson, NV yesterday. “How it is for so many American women that the qualifications are there, but for some reason the promotion never comes?
Where do I even begin? Obama didn’t choose Hillary because: (a) she didn’t want to be VP she wanted to be P, and (b) she wouldn’t have been an appropriate complement for his skill set. Biden was an excellent choice. Unlike McCain who picks random wing nuts without qualification to run with him, Obama chose someone who could complement him in the White House. Although VP takes over when P dies, it doesn’t mean that VP = P. The truth is, Hillary was an amazing candidate, but 4 years too damn late. Where the hell was she in ’04 when I was ready to support her?
Obama is a better candidate overall than Hillary. That is why I vote Obama in ’08. That said: Palin is NO Hillary. Hillary was educated at some of America’s finest institutions. Palin couldn’t get through college without transferring 6 times. If Palin can’t handle college level thinking/analysis, how is she supposed to run a country with all its nuanced issues? How can someone who “I betchya” can’t point out Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Israel, Libya, Siriya, or China on a map, possibly have anything useful to say about foreign policy? Cafferty’s outburst on CNN was legit: I respect the man for pointing out the obvious, when idiots like Wolf Blitzer sit there and defend this woman for her incompetency. It’s absolutely not excusable. Hillary may have been qualified, but she lost fair and square. That’s how elections ought to be: fair and square, not folksy and joe-hoe-shmoe-y.
Is some ditz from Alaska seriously charging a man who is by profession trained as a constitutional lawyer, graduating from the TOP of his class, about “socialism” and “that’s not what America’s about”… I want to ask you Mrs. Palin, what is America about then?
Executive experience my ass. You could put a moose in Palin’s position and it would do roughly the same job as Palin has done. At least it wouldn’t charge the state for its personal business.

matt and Jenny Rome: between you there’s more horse puckey than at a rodeo.

gopalin – Colin Powell did not endorse McCain, he endorsed Obama.

Regardless – we are where we are. Two weak candidates – one young man with no experience and an old man with no judgment.
Posted by: ch | Oct 22, 2008 11:27:56 AM
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Sorry to be picky, but I believe you meant to say “one young WOMAN with no experience, and an old man with no judgement”
You’re WELCOMED! :)

Obama did not pick Hillary because of Bill. Besides, Obama is more of a man than McCain will ever be. Obama’s not just gonna pick Hillary to get the women’s vote! That is totally not Obama. This is something McCain is doing, picking that eskimo to get the women’s vote!

Susan-1: Now I have an “all that” attitude? WOW. Enough said. My case is made.

Did Clinton ignore the intelligence reports that a plane would fly into the WTC? Hmmm… I think that was a guy named Bush.—
Heather- Clinton did nothing. he was tested and challenged several times and did nothing. Bush was tested and challanged and fought back and since then nothing has happened to us since then. Clinton ignored a lot more than Bush did. i know Bush is not the favorite here and that is fine. but if we are gong to point fingers.. your precious dems are as much as responsble for this whole mess, just as the reps are.. as for Fannie and Freddie, Franklin Raines cooked the book and walked away with 100 million dollars. and he is a dem.. even the NYT is starting to figure it out that this whole mess is 80 percent on the dems who conitnued to lie and aviod regulation (maybe to cause this collaspe so they could have a dem superpower in the house). Clinton admitted twice that the dems are to be blamed. WSJ has confirmed this. rep are guilty too. so no one is perfect here. and explain to me how are we going to opay for alll of Obama’s proposal? he even said no one likes taxes but we will have to raise them.. McCain said not to raise them because it will lead to a depression…. there is new tape out there that confirms Ayer stating that he is more like a Marxist, Obama’s buddy, not just a guy from the street. Obama is a marxist, he even has the communist party endorsing him.. is that what you guys want? you want to be like russia??

Hillary will not be selected by Obama for his cabinet because he will never ever win this general election.
He is a fraud and he will soon be exposed as such.
Where is his real Birth Certificate?
Why does he not want to show Americans his real Birth Certificate and not one that he demonstrated on his bogus site?
Barack Hussein Obama, or Barry Soetero were you actually born in America?
Americans await your proof.

If McCain wanted the Hillary vote: He should have picked Hillary as HIS VP running mate.
(a) she would have “stood up” to his party on every issue.
(b) she would have finally cracked the so-called “glass ceiling”
(c) she wouldn’t have flumoxed her interview with Couric
(d) she would have been a damn good choice to complement McCain’s nutty off-the-handle and thoughtless approach to everything.
…aside from Hillary, there are plenty of respectable and smart women senators out there… but no, he passes all of them up, to pick a no name, no credit, no brain, hockey moose from Alaska.
Smartest person on Energy policy in the US my ass: Whatever happened to all the PhDs out there who are out there finding us new energy solutions? Was the nuk-you-lar reactor technology something Joe-the-shmuck-plumber-wannabe built in his backyard? Why didn’t you pick someone who had a degree in Physics? Someone who actually knew something about how safe and secure they were? How about someone who has other kinds of experience? Seriously McCain, Palin? Is your senility getting the best of you? Or did you just let Karl Rove’s protege and hyper-active monkey, Steve Schmidt, take over what used to be a respectable and dignified man?

gopalin – “Wag the dog.” The phrase used by republicans to go after Clinton regarding his “obsession” with OBL. There are many quotes of republicans criticizing him over it. So, which is it? He did nothing? He was obsessed? Then if you consider had the republican witch hunts backed off maybe he’d have had more focus on a job . . . . And lastly? Bush shelving the huge intel report about it all as soon as he took office.

gopalin–Clinton had intelligence on Osama. He didn’t attack for fear of civilian casualties. He assembled his staff each morning to assess risks and threats. All of this stopped under Bush. The writing was on the wall, and yet nothing was done by Bush and his administration. Read the book. This goes all the way back to Carter. Reagan and Bush supplied the Taliban in Afghanistan with weapons to defeat the Soviets. Clinton did far more to keep you safe than Bush has ever done. Go ahead and talk about Ayers some more. The American people don’t care. Tell me how McCain will make you better off in the next 4 years. Tell me how in the world you think Sarah Palin would handle a crisis. Obama is not a socialist or a marxist. You have been thrown one silly story after another. Look at their policies and their votes. Under Bush, the top earners of this country have increased their salaries by 15% while the middle class’ salaries are flatlined. Obama only suggests going back to tax rates as they were under Reagan. Our taxes have always been progressive.

gopalin
Factcheck is funfef by the Annenberg FOUNDATION, which neither Obama or Ayers were ever a part of.

since then nothing has happened to us since then.
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are you SERIOUS MAN?!
do you NOT READ THE NEWS?
do you KNOW how many of our SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND MOTHERS AND FATHERS AND HUSBANDS AND WIVES have DIED since 9/11???
THIRTYTHOUSANDSEVENHUNDREDANDTWENTYTRHEE!!!!!!!
YOU ARSE!

http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/
Enough said.
Assuming you’re a resonably intelligent woman who actually believes in women’s rights and women’s progress and wants to eventually reach a point where women get equal-pay-for-equal work, then the choice is clear: Obama/Biden ’08
If you’re a woman who votes for McPalin, you deserve to be passed up at job interviews time and time again; and yes, you deserve to be paid less than a man, because a smart man wouldn’t vote against his own self interest, like you do time and time again.
Stupid people are stupid, because they never pick people who would actually help them – they pick people “they want to have a beer with” or “can understand what its like to be a mom”. Woe is me: I’m a hockey (/soccer) mom, and I need the world to understand how hard that is. Get yourself together for god’s sake.

I am sick of the division that Obama has caused this nation.
There is no way it will go away with him elected.
I will not be voting for him due to the amount of hate and divisive attacks his supporters spew forth.

Hillary will not be selected by Obama for his cabinet because he will never ever win this general election.
He is a fraud and he will soon be exposed as such.
Where is his real Birth Certificate?
Why does he not want to show Americans his real Birth Certificate and not one that he demonstrated on his bogus site?
Barack Hussein Obama, or Barry Soetero were you actually born in America?
Americans await your proof.
Posted by: TerryDo | Oct 22, 2008 11:36:46 AM
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MAN SHUT UP
it is not standard that a candidate to US PRESIDENT have TO SHOW his birth certificate to the world SO SHUT UP.
WHERE’S BUSH’S?
WHERE’S CLINTON’S?
WHERE’S MCCAIN’S?
WELL GO THERE AND FIND OBAMA’S
GO FIND IT YOUR DARN SELF IF YOU SOOO MUCH NEED IT, ONCE YOU SEE IT, WILL YOU VOTE FOR HIM?
WILL YOU???”
ok SO HERE!
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
AND THE SEAL’S ON THE BACK YOU S.A!
sick of this bs!

Concern-
you bring up good points and i will continue to research both sides… both sides provide good programs and funding. i think after this people will start leaning toward independent, because bothside talk and talk and present nothing. that bailout money, your honest opinion, should that had been approved?
Tell me, are you not at the least bit bothered by how the MSM has glorified Obama as the Messiah? in SF there was a picture of one of those catholic prayer candles and they put Obama’s face on it as if he was the christ. now come on, isn’t that a bit to extreme? what about his attack on Joe the Plumber? Joe the plumber was vetted more than obama was

GIGI – I get your pain. Free Prozac for all!!! I’d say the republicans owe us that much?
Posted by: Susan-1 | Oct 22, 2008 11:49:51 AM
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or a six pack at least!
is that GOPALIN idiot still typin???
tell me! is over 35K dead not ENOUGH???? hellooooooooooooooooooo!

Thank your stars that you people don’t rule for the majority.

Desperate Sarah and McCain- two devils together- they have nothing for America but so they reach in their bag of Halloween tricks for more garbage. Hillary will be on the team but where will poor Sarah Palin be- In Alaska hopefully being impeached or somthing. Hillary was in Florida yesterday kicking some butt****Maybe Hillary will send you a post card from the Obama team- NOT.

gopalin,
Good questions…
I don’t know how I feel about the bailout. I think I feel the way people on both sides of the aisle feel; that it sucks, but the fallout could have been even more devestating and something had to be done. I was actually hoping that we might give it some time to see if the market corrected itself. I don’t support giving banks any more money, and I don’t support refinancing mortgages.
I am not bothered by the MSM. People use the messiah term in a derogatory way to suggest that Obama supporters are blithely following him in blind faith. So I don’t think they’re glorifying him…it’s an attack on him. Either way, I make my decisions based on the research I do. And the MSM is always only part of the story with it’s own slant. If you’re saying you think it’s blasphemy, that’s a different story. I dont’ believe so.
Joe the plumber got more than he bargained for. You may know that the McCain campaign had this all planned out, to the point of having a camera in his living-room to capture his reaction to the debates. The MSM is going after him because the average American loves that crap. So they’re providing a service that the public is demanding. Who is ultimately responsible for that?

She fires up both sides Liberal and Conservatives That is because she is so effective at what she IS- the No-nonsense Reformer Not Changer Like OBama- Reform we dont want no Marxist type social proggrammes now, or no Middle Class Bail-out
FeedThe POOR man

I’m marrying a Navy vet who volunteered after high school for 4 years so this is very close to me. Do you think that Obama has a sound plan to handle this war??? If anyone has the ability to clean up this mess is McCain who has BENN IN THE MILITARY for 20+ years. Do you really think someone who has truly served his country and suffered in as a POW isn’t going to take our military actions seriously??? We’re in the spot we’re in- what matters now is what we do now and the worst idea is to put someone in office who didn’t even think it was important enough to enlist in our forces to begin with, let alone have any experience with foreign relations. COME ON!!!

I think its because she is the embodiment of the American Dream why she bothers these space age women so much, HIllary types- Business smart but not smart enoughto hold a family together.
I see virtue in her something I teach my daughters
A irtuous woman has the ability to lead
Also it is her Christian Values that makes her so appealing. How can such a folksy lady be Vice President they say.
She is not the technocrat or diplomat or businesswoman- She is the Mom.
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I am a stay at home mom. I’m going with if your teenager is preggers? Your son on drugs and forced to enlist? Paying people to raise the other ones after you’ve so obviously “lost” your two oldest? Taking a far more involved job after losing the first two? Wellllll . . . not MY idea of mom of the year nor hardly a great example of “holding the family together.”

> I think its because she is the
> embodiment of the American Dream why
> she bothers these space age women so
> much, HIllary types- Business smart
> but not smart enoughto hold a family
> together.
> I see virtue in her something I teach
> my daughters
WOW. You are an idiot. You assume “hillary types” aren’t smart enough to hold a family together? Really? Did you notice that despite the fact that both Bill and Hillary clinton are “working parents” that their kid Chelsea Clinton has also gone to some of the finest colleges in the land, on her own merit, and is now working for McKinsey? Whereas, you idolize a woman who constantly pops out babies, who CANT actually hold her family together, as evidenced by the fact that she COULDNT prevent her daughter from F’in the hockey player in the first place. Christian values? My ass.
Let me remind you: They will say, “Lord, Lord, open to us; and he will say, I know you not.”
> A virtuous woman has the ability to
> lead. Also it is her Christian Values
> that makes her so appealing. How can
> such a folksy lady be Vice President
> they say.
> She is not the technocrat or diplomat
> or businesswoman- She is the Mom
> At least her husband is by her side- ?> That my friends gives her more credit > that 90% of her opponents
Let me remind you. Todd Palin, works at BP. An oil company. If she was put in office, do you seriously think a woman who can’t turn down $300,000 dresses is going to say “Thanks! But No Thanks!” when the Oil companies lobby her with millions of dollars? Let’s not fool ourselves, she is in it for the Cash. So is Todd. That and the sex (where do you suppose all those babies come from?)

I don’t think that McCain’s veteran status demonstrates any strategic knowlege that will help us fix our course in the war (of course, I honor and respect and thank him for his service). McCain voted with Bush most of the time on the failed policies in iraq…I don’t trust that he has the intention to do anything different- and I am not convinced he has the diplomatic wherewithall to forsee foreigh-relations issues. He seems to have a knee-jerk response to everything…his campaign, the economic crisis…I’m just not seeing the steady leadership in him that I think we sorely need.

I support am Supporting John McCain and Palin, because I do not like what I read or hear about Obama. To here Obama speak I cant help but be impressed with his tone and his skill my doubts about Obama have to do with his judgment and his associations! When I here him talk about Iran not being a threat or talk about the Russia/Georgia conflict I cant help and think he has not Idea on how things work in the world. And to hear Biden say he will be tested scares me! We do not need a President that will be tested in office McCain has been tested and people know he will be tough and will react with force if required. I am not to happy about Obama’s views on “sharing the wealth”. I also don’t like the fact that Obama has been less truthful about his ties to Rezko, Ayres and Rev. Wright. There is more to the story and he has had to shift his position on Ayres three time to clarify it from just a Guy in the neighborhood to I served on a board with him to I thought he had changed! I am not saying Obama is a terrorist or supports Ayres tactics, but I do think a presidential Candidate should show better judgment in associations. Hillary I could have supported but not Obama. I wish we could all agree to disagree without the name calling and insults.I love America I believe I live in the best Country on earth and for all its problems it is far better than other places. I believe McCain and Palin Both Love America and want it to improve and thrive. I also believe the same about Obama and Biden. All of these candidates love America! I believe all of you Love America as well we just have different opinions that does not make us bad people or stupid it just means we disagree and we should leave it at that. Let people share opinions good or bad and use all information to make a decision, but not to look at the whole picture is wrong! Obama does have some skeletons in his closet as does McCain you have to look at the good and bad about both of them and make a decision. But lets stop the name calling on both sides.

“For all of you mocking Obama’s experience, here’s a little fact (not that it would matter to you). One other president had exactly 8 years in the Illinois state senate and 2 years in the US senate.
His name was Abraham Lincoln.”
Abe was agnostic, so you wouldn’t catch him sitting in a church of hate for 20 years.

Palin is a demagogue – a person who gains popularity by arousing the emotions, passions, and prejudices of the people. They often use lies and distortion !
Regardless of what Palin says, Sen. Obama chose the RIGHT VP for himself and the world who would best assist him in successfully leading teh country in the 21st century. America is broken and in desperate need of a healing leader.
Sen. Clinton has already come to terms with it wasn’t meant to be for her. God has chosen Sen. Obama for such a task!
So no matter what McCain-Palin or their supporters think or say, their campaign and personal attacks of hatred, fear, racism, and division WILL NEVER PREVAIL against Sen. Obama – this nation’s next Commander-in-Chief !!!
You [ Barack Obama], are from God and have overcome them [the enemy's attacks, schemes, and plots ] , because the one [God] who is in you [ Barack Obama] is greater than the one [the enemy ] who is in the world. – 1 John 4:4
No weapon forged against you [ Barack Obama] will prevail, and you [ Barack Obama] will refute every tongue that accuses you [ Barack Obama] . This is the heritage of the servants [ Barack Obama] of the LORD, and this is their [ Barack Obama] vindication from me,” declares the LORD. – Isaiah 54:17
” I [ God ] will send my terror ahead of you [ Barack Obama] and throw into confusion every nation you [ Barack Obama] encounter. I [ God ] will make all your [ Barack Obama] enemies turn their backs and run.” – Exodus 23:27
The Lord will rescue me [ Barack Obama] from every evil attack and will bring me [ Barack Obama] safely to his heavenly kingdom. – 2 Timothy 4:18
11 For he will command his angels concerning you [ Barack Obama] to guard you [ Barack Obama ] in all your ways; 12 they will lift you [ Barack Obama ] up in their hands, so that you [ Barack Obama ] will not strike your [his] foot against a stone. 13 You [ Barack Obama ] will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you [ Barack Obama ] will trample the great lion and the serpent. – Psalm 91:11-13
I have given you [ Barack Obama ] authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you [ Barack Obama ]. – Luke 10:19
It’s time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It’s time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It’s time for REAL change in Washington, it’s time to elect Barack Obama for president !
Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !
Amen.

It should makes you mad eh! she being the angel of light she is> You just deplore that.
The more the media crucifies her image the clearer her personality becomes- it is not only one of charm but generous benevolence that touches to the true meaning of American- the I can do it attitude- not measuring success by setbacks but by overall outcome.
I will vote with my heart for Palin
She is The Joan of Arc of America
I believe in America

lets bring “god” into the equation
the single most demonic thing according to Christianity in its fullness is stem cell research which Obama supports and Palin rejects

MOMO – Proclaiming an “ethics violator” vindictive type is Joan of Arc? One that spews division and hate speech? I’m going with undiagnosed schizophrenia

Yeah Mach, that boy enlisted cauz they’re so patriotic. And what was that group again that the shadow governor Todd was involved in????

As an business manager, I look at work experience and associations of the people I’d like to hire. Yes, I listen to them talk but only after I’ve thoroughly vetted them. I go through the same process when deciding on a Presidential candidate to support and I would encourage anyone who’s still undecided to do the same because, as Joe Biden once said, “past is prologue”. Everything else is just rhetoric.

Mack,
You are right here. Palin has a certain amount of power to let people go. Clinton did it, oh boy did he do it! There is the question of her ethics (allowing her husband access to private documents, using taxpayer money innapropriately to pay for stuff for her kids), though I’m not sure how big a deal it is until we see the results of the investigations.

By the way, Sarah Palin supports stem cell research but not EMBRYONIC stem cell research. Huge ethical difference.

> It should makes you mad eh! she being
> the angel of light she is> You just
> deplore that.
> The more the media crucifies her image
> the clearer her personality becomes-
> it is not only one of charm but
> generous benevolence that touches to
> the true meaning of American- the I
> can do it attitude- not measuring
> success by setbacks but by overall
> outcome.
> I will vote with my heart for Palin
> She is The Joan of Arc of America
> I believe in America
I’m sick of twits who equate the crucifiction of Jesus: the punishment of a sinless man, with the media’s “crucifiction” of a VP candidate. She deserves to be put on the spot and asked pointed questions about really tough issues. They asked Hillary tough TOUGH questions as well: the different is Hillary passed. People don’t criticize Obama because he CAN do this: He didn’t graduate at the top of his class at Harvard because he was an idiot. Palin can’t do this: She doesn’t know cowturd to make any real statements. All she knows is who is “pro america” and “anti america”…those are the same kind of lines that Hitler used to rile up the Nazi party. I’m certain there are KKK-ers and Skinheads out there who love this woman because she reminds them of their fearless leaders.
Genius: I am NOT the damned media. Just a really really concerned citizen who doesn’t buy her “angel of light” crap. Don’t forget Satan was an angel too, until he used God to launch his own political career.
It’s people like you who vote “with your heart for Palin” that will screw our country and send it to the dog heap. Neither McCain nor Palin can handle or even understand the current economic crisis, so they stick to their talking points and attack Obama/Biden instead of addressing the serious problems we have before us.

For one week, let no one speak negatively about candidates, then convince me to who I should vote for by using positive views about your favorite choice. Can you do it? So far I do not think you can.
That is why I am voting for who I feel is the best choice without listening to anyone with negative writings or name calling. Facts are helpful but twisting the truth and denying proof and calling names or belittling is by far a sad reason for calling yourself a free American.

Sarah’s candor? If you mean her willingness to show her evangelical convictions, then I’m with you. But she has not been as forthright with documents regarding her ethics violations, she’s accused of falsifying reimbursement forms, she won’t share her medical records…
I think she’s only outspoken about things that pander to her base.

Palin is right on this one. Obama failed his first real test as the Democratic presidential nominee – select a running mate to energize and unite the party. He didn’t come close. Not only that, but he simply reminded a lot of voters that the democratic party is not the one of equality and equal opportunity – love em or hate em, the republicans have the better record of advancing women and minorities to positions of power.

Yes when the media talks of Palin, she cleans their spirits and souls up, those who wash there mouths on her get Listerine- Seriously folks Jokes aside
A vote for Palin is a vote for America and the best in us and the hopes of our Children
Our children will not forgive us if we do otherwise, Obama says we have lost love worldwide
He is so wrong- The lack of Love has manifested n ow but it has always been there and he being President will not stop that or change that
Of all the things Bush did wheen he assumed unilateral responsibility for the Iraq War- he crystalized our friends and our enemies are.

Sorry Mary, I don’t vote on gender. And you shouldn’t either. The issues that face this country are way to important for that.

lets bring “god” into the equation
the single most demonic thing according to Christianity in its fullness is stem cell research which Obama supports and Palin rejects
Posted by: MOMO | Oct 22, 2008 12:14:43 PM
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HOLY FATHER AND SON!
WHAT??! there are TEN commandments, all TEN are BAD. none badder or more DEMONIC than the other. WHAT?
are you serious?!
LMAO!
dude, what religion are you? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT IS NOT CHRISTIANISM.

the funny thing as a black When I look at marcus Mossiah garvey,Selassi 1, Martin Luther, malcolM X I kno w none of these men would endorse baracks Middle Class SELLOUT

LJC – Not only have they smeared Palin (and continue to do so) they completely downplay Biden’s gaffes! Sunday, Biden pretty much warned America that if we vote for Obama, we welcome our enemies to put him to the test (Biden’s words not mine) – he said Obama’s reaction to these tests would at first seem “not right” (again his words not mine). I think America has enough to worry about right now without having to worry about being tested by foreign enemies. I voted this morning for McCain/Palin and I feel good about it.

Does anyone realize that Obama could not pass a security check to get a job in the federal Government and we are trying to elect him president. The sheep are being led to the slaughter…….

Bob C,
Why is that? Do you have a reason with even a shred of proof? Or are you just fear-mongering?

MOMO
Our children will not forgive us if we do otherwise, Obama says we have lost love worldwide
He is so wrong-
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W R O N G
Hve you spoken to anyone from PARAGUAY lately? New Zealand?
Japan?
ARGENTINA?
MEXICO?
Yes it’s been there since before Ernesto Guevara even learned how to ride a bike, but with THE INTERNET and other means of communication IT HAS PREAD more and more!
My boyfriend is on a tour had has been to all these countries in the last three weeks, and has talked to people everywhere because IT ALWAYS COMES UP (because he is American and black) and people are actually saying THIS IS THE CHANCE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO PROVE IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THEM, that we actually CARE for JUSTICE!
how can you make such an erroneous statement?

Does anyone realize that Obama could not pass a security check to get a job in the federal Government
How so.

Does anyone realize that Obama could not pass a security check to get a job in the federal Government
How so.
Posted by: Just Wondering | Oct 22, 2008 12:38:44 PM
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I was also wondering if a seat in the US senate did not constitute a job in teh federal government…
Maybe they are referring to a separatist party? Like Todd Palins?

Reading these comments I see woman are their own worst critics, and therefore, enemies.
I was a Hillary volunteer and saw this same cruelness towards her. I just don’t get it. You don’t see Hillary out attacking another woman.
If woman ever want to be treated with respect and equally, we need to start doing it ourselves. Sarah Palin might not share some of my views, but I can still see she is a self made, accomplished woman. This meme of portraying her as stupid make me sad. She could not have gotten where she was and have the highest approval rating of any governor if she was not intelligent. She did not have any dirty money or politicians helping her rise.
It’s time for women to start standing up for all women.

Momo,
What are you talking about? That’s a serious question. You’re all over the map with accuasations and specualtions, but no proof or logical reasoning. The only common thread in all your posts is fear- and that’s just a tactic. Don’t vote emotionally. Do some research. And for god’s sake please provide reasons and proof of your outlandish claims.

Reading these comments I see woman are their own worst critics, and therefore, enemies.
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what a dumb statement, I OWE so much of who I am today to my critics…
I give it to her for being the (ugh, “hottest”) governor, but nah uh! stay out of the white house. Sarah Palin is teh WORST that has happened to Feminism since Senaca falls.

“ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC have done everything they possibly could–from misleading negative headlines to attacking her family–attempting to discredit Governor Palin since her candidacy was announced.”
They all have sponsors, so we need to hit them where it hurts them the most.

MOMO
Our children will not forgive us if we do otherwise, Obama says we have lost love worldwide
He is so wrong-
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W R O N G
Hve you spoken to anyone from PARAGUAY lately? New Zealand?
Japan?
ARGENTINA?
MEXICO?
Yes it’s been there since before Ernesto Guevara even learned how to ride a bike, but with THE INTERNET and other means of communication IT HAS PREAD more and more!
My boyfriend is on a tour had has been to all these countries in the last three weeks, and has talked to people everywhere because IT ALWAYS COMES UP (because he is American and black) and people are actually saying THIS IS THE CHANCE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO PROVE IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THEM, that we actually CARE for JUSTICE!
how can you make such an erroneous statement?

Here is a real American according to Sarah Palin, bigoted hypocritical cowardly, arrogant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_United_States_Senate_election,_2006#Allen.27s_Macaca_controversy

sorry about my typing guys i’m bad at it. Obama will win, so you need not worry all you Democrats
Obama will Win but AMERica will lose.
Recently Russia sent warships to Venezuela. Chavez is talking about a hardline South America. Anti-Americanism is suddenly Cool! They say its Bushes faultno . Its Hollywood and the Media who questions everything America does as totalitarian and egocentric and murderous.If the Media was like this 60 yrs ago we would have lost to Hitler

Mcsame and his campaign have gone too crazy and off limits when calling part of US unAmerican or not real when they are behind in polls there, this is stupid and devisive and breaks American heart.
Mccain’s brother is crazier when he says Arlington,Va county where Mccain has one of his seven houses there as communist county.
Mcsame I have news for you, you do not deserve my vote when you are insulting me and my county, I am conservative republican will vote for Obama to punish you and your weak and erratic and poor response to our biggest financial crisis. Your tempervery poor handling crisis unqualified barbie palin are worst.
Mcstupid are you out mind defending tax cut for rich when people our loosing their jobs and homes. You do not feel our pain while having seven houses.

Momo,
Antiamericanism isn’t SUDDENLY cool…it’s been growing steadily since about 8 months after we invaded Iraq, found no evidence of WMDs, failed to create any safety for the citizens of iraq…..shall I go on?

sorry about my typing guys i’m bad at it. Obama will win, so you need not worry all you Democrats
Obama will Win but AMERica will lose.
Recently Russia sent warships to Venezuela. Chavez is talking about a hardline South America. Anti-Americanism is suddenly Cool! They say its Bushes faultno . Its Hollywood and the Media who questions everything America does as totalitarian and egocentric and murderous.If the Media was like this 60 yrs ago we would have lost to Hitler
Posted by: MOMO | Oct 22, 2008 12:51:04 PM
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ALSO POSTED BY MOMO:
The lack of Love has manifested n ow but it has always been there and he being President will not stop that or change that
========== or Maybe MOMO’s EVIL twin?
so here, besides contradict yourself, you are saying that IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT how our country is perceived, but that it is HOLLYWOOD’s and THE MEDIA?
And that NOT TO SEEM LIKE A TOTALITARIAN REGIME, we should have more subdued, let’s say… CENSORED? media?
like, you know… without so much FREEDOM OF SPEECH and all that JAZZ>>>>???
I believe that while Chavez received the Russian subs, and then hoped on a plane to CHINA and when arrived there admonished all the other foreign leaders WHO WERE IN NEW YORK FOR THE MILLENIUM’S GOALS SUMMIT, Ms Sarah Palin was getting herself a free meal ticket and using that very event to become aquainted with some foreign leaders.
MCCAIN WAS RUBBING HIS FOREHEAD WONDERING HOW TO TEACH THIS GIRL ANYTHING… and talking trash! how can these two idiots PROVE TO ME that they care about venezuela, russia and CHINA if they arE TOO BUSY EDUCATING PALIN?

NOW she taslks about women who need childcare so they can go to work. Where wsa his buzz before when a month ago it was: “If a woman can’t have a family and work at the same ime, I’d like to send that Nenaderthal back to the CAVE!!”.
I’m glad HER husband was ableto stay home with the kids and be Mr. Mom. Most working parents are working because having 2 incomes is a necessity, not a LUXURY”. I’d love it if my husband could stay home or me for that matter!!!
I’d like to make a case in point to the person from AK who said that Todd is 1/8 Native American and because of that their family is able to get free healthcare. This is TRUE because as a former healthcare administrator in WI, worked with the Oneida Tribe. All a person had to do was show they had 1/8 American Indian in their descendancy and they were IN. If they had health insurance through their job, whatever that plan did not cover,the Tribe paid 100%. If they had NO health insurance from another entity, the Tribe paid ALL their bills 100% just for having that 1/8 blood.
This is not an intent to knock Native Americans because no people in our country were so wronged but it shows Todd and Sarah are NOT telling us the whole deal either. Never mind her bridge to nowhere-she could’nt sell me anything!!! Working women have to battle with their employers ENOUGH as it is for anything. Most are still waiting for a place at work to PUMP their milk to bring home to their newborns if they’re nursing,let alone be able to bring the BABY there too and FEED them. Get real!!!!

Mary, the majority seems to disagree with you about Palin. Her negatives outweigh her positives now. She’s only helping McCain with the base but he needs the independents to win. And they aren’t buying her.

Palin is a dimwit. Does she know that everything she says will be reported by the media to the entire country? Instead of making more and more stupid comments that alienate people (except the far-right convers), can’t she least make comments that doesn’t keep attacking her opponents?
Using Clinton as an example this late in the game is silly, especially when Clinton is supporting Obama.
Not to mention the other day she herself would endorse an amendment to ban gay marriage. I’m not gay, but to go against McCain, who supports letting the states decide, is foolhardy since it shows the two are not unify at all. (Not to mention, she once again alienates a group who no doubt will vote Obama now.)
So keep it up, Palin. The more stupidity you spew, the more you make Obama/Biden look good. You betcha! (wink)

I will not even draw a comment on Powell history which judge the mettle of a man by his actions and INACTIONs.
Even if we could disqualify Palin because of a myriaad of reason from being an effective Vp. We cannot take from her the charisma of leadership- that which inspires – if Obama is Hope of the Future. palin is the Future
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GOOD! let’s get Palin her very own TALK SHOW.. now, I would LOVE to hear your response on some of the other comments you have made.
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MOMO
Our children will not forgive us if we do otherwise, Obama says we have lost love worldwide
He is so wrong-
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W R O N G
Hve you spoken to anyone from PARAGUAY lately? New Zealand?
Japan?
ARGENTINA?
MEXICO?
Yes it’s been there since before Ernesto Guevara even learned how to ride a bike, but with THE INTERNET and other means of communication IT HAS PREAD more and more!
My boyfriend is on a tour had has been to all these countries in the last three weeks, and has talked to people everywhere because IT ALWAYS COMES UP (because he is American and black) and people are actually saying THIS IS THE CHANCE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO PROVE IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THEM, that we actually CARE for JUSTICE!
how can you make such an erroneous statement?

There is no Obama as a leader, there isn’t even a McCain as a leader. I tend to be more conservative, that is my personal preference, leave your one-liners at the door. But I try to walk around with my eyes open to “all” sides. _______________________ The more I learn though, the more I realize that I, and most everyone else are “Useful Idiots”. —- Watch this video from a Russian defector in 1985: This is happening just like the he said it would ___ http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1 ___ Please! Please, listen with your hearts and pass it on!

Eventually Palin will morph into a Benazir Bhutto type matyr- her legacy will be that never has there been so many aroused whether negatively or positively by such simplicity and girlish awkwardness in a political leader of our times. Whether it is a testament of who she is or a spin-off of this election history will figure it out about that i am not worried. She is a compelling human being. Whi is in no way deserving of some of the vitriolic comments on these Blogs-
Posted by: MOMO | Oct 22, 2008 1:14:44 PM
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I am actually NOT SURE if this is a compliment or an insult (to either lady) but it does not matter because Palin didn’t know who Bhutto was (and by the way, didn’t pay her respects when she met her widow) CLASS!
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MOMO
Our children will not forgive us if we do otherwise, Obama says we have lost love worldwide
He is so wrong-
=============
W R O N G
Hve you spoken to anyone from PARAGUAY lately? New Zealand?
Japan?
ARGENTINA?
MEXICO?
Yes it’s been there since before Ernesto Guevara even learned how to ride a bike, but with THE INTERNET and other means of communication IT HAS PREAD more and more!
My boyfriend is on a tour had has been to all these countries in the last three weeks, and has talked to people everywhere because IT ALWAYS COMES UP (because he is American and black) and people are actually saying THIS IS THE CHANCE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO PROVE IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THEM, that we actually CARE for JUSTICE!
how can you make such an erroneous statement?

“Obama did not choose Hillary because she came with about 200 lbs of baggage named Bill. The concept that MCCain thought he could get all the women who were mad because Obama did not choose Hillary by selecting this rent a uterus from Alaska is absurd. We women are not interchangable. If we were I would like Angelina Jolie’s body please.
Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga”
I think the Palin pick was not to “get the woman vote” but rather to combat the “republican old white male” rhetoric that the Obama campaign and democrats had been playing. Did you notice their strategy was thrown for a loop when McCain picked Palin? Fortunately McCain hit the race card dollar bill incident head on and his minimized the cultural warfare angle from Obama’s campaign.
If Romney or someone else was selected as VP I guarantee “see republicans once again just pick rich, old white males for office” would have been a deep seated strategy of the campaign. The “old white male elitest” thing didn’t have as big of an impact once Palin was on the ticket.
I don’t care what gender or race someone is I am concerned with their values, skills, experience, etc. Granted Palin is not key in some of these areas but she has shown a tremendous ability to learn quickly and efficiently. The major media didn’t point out these differences but in the last VP debate Palin actually corrected Biden on things like the role of the VP. The prior debate she handled poorly but within the time to the next debate she met Biden square on and showed that she should not be underestimated.

The liberals and the liberal media are going to have a rude awakening come election night. Women are going to overwhelmingly vote for McCain Palin. Women don’t wont a socialist system in America and they sure hated the way the democrats and Osama screwed Hillary big time in the primary.

Will Silly Sarah please crawl back under the rock she came from. Do she think I am fool!!! And stay out Democrat family business. You can find plenty in the Republican Party to fix, start with all the cries for you to step aside or the claims that you are “dragging the party down”. You don’t have a clue, and are a poor example of a successful woman. Have pride, and show some integrity!! That is who todays woman is, proud, strong, intellectual with integrity and steady. Oh, yea we steady!! Steadily getting tiered of your lies, manipulative and divisive tactics. You mama are no lady!!

MOMO
o on a retake to concerned the Biblical verse in is genesis 6 it comes from the Hebrew root nephel- an abortion- (Stem cells)
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What!!! You are joking right!!! I am looking this up right now.

Momo,
Are you kidding? Wow…Are there any verses in there about prozac???

“Posted by: GIGI | Oct 22, 2008 1:07:02 PM”
Listen, last time I checked we still had our alliances. Just scanning your list of countries, yes it looks like for the most part we’d come to thier aid and all they’d have to do is ask. Many of these democratic countries would not survive without the backing of US military power.
Remember, each country first and foremost has their own interests in mind. America should be no different. Imagine for a moment if we pulled all of our foreign aid. There would be an outcry and mayhem the likes of which we’ve never seen. Remember too, how much Reagan was hated overseas for confronting communism and the USSR.
That said, I care what other countries think only to the extent that what they think doesn’t negatively impact our economic and national security. So I guess I do give a flip afterall. :)

This just days after McCain lynched liberal feminist.

Why does she even care?

Palin wants to take away your right to choose, prevent education that would reduce unwanted pregnancy and dilute our children’s education by even insinuating that creationism is a scientific theory. That’s not equality for all. That’s hard-core right-wing ideology.

At the end of the day, after the campaigning…Hillary and Obama would have come back together because the difference between them is like COKE and PEPSI…to small to calculate. Any person who says they were voting for Hillary and are now voting for McCain, I wonder…because Hillary and McCain have nothing in common. What would sraw them to McCain.

is the Baracomania or Obamarama done

she’s a real what?
I’m real hungry right now… that makes me vp or president material?
we’re talking about bridge-to-nowhere, abused-her-powers, sold a plane-on-ebay claiming PALIN!

Check out Clinton’s economic record, James, and compare it with the administrations directly before and after. Then we’ll talk.

Gen X,
Or if McCain/Palin wins, you can learn about it in science class.
:)

Monom- Nephel actually means that which has been aborted or cast aside see your strongs for that- anyway
A stemcell was actually used inthe creation of what we collectively called Nephilim. As it is called- A counterfeit being

“Don’t be mad or surprised. Hillary is first and foremost a Democrat.”
What about integrity? If she really believes what she said then there is no excuse for this. Americans deserve an honest person as president regardless of party. John McCain is solid but Obama is not (slippery trial lawyer).

It’s always the same thing with rabid democrats. When the conversation turns against Obama it’s time to change the subject – just like the ugly media…nasty way to live and it’s going to get worse…

Well the media has already made Obama president. haha- that cool though i think he so sloppy a candidate he needs their sleazy endorsements

“oh and that’s UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, last time I checked, America is a continent.”
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ALL CAPS and then that last zinger so you can fulfill your need to give me a geography lesson. Yeah, I see where this is going. Here I thought that a reference to “America” represents an ideal and that North America and South America were continents, so thank you for setting me straight.
“MILLENIUM GOAL”? “UN”? You’re right, that’s not real high on my list of priorities right now. That’s probably because I give to non-profit charitable organizations that do some great work for the people of Africa. However, I’m finding that the sour economy and the threat of higher tax rates will adversely impact my donations. Too bad no one is talking about incentivizing private charities and their donors to continue this work.

“It’s always the same thing with rabid democrats. When the conversation turns against Obama it’s time to change the subject – just like the ugly media…nasty way to live and it’s going to get worse…
Posted by: roberto13″
Yep typical Obama/McCain exchange. Obama can’t fool all the people with his “get back to the issues” garbage.
1. Obama attacks McCain
2. McCain in return attacks Obama
3. Obama says lets stop these negative attacks and get back to the real issues
Many tools don’t recognize this exchange but many people do. So its ok for Obama to attack McCain but not vice versa right?
BTW Obama is running more negative ads then McCain but Obama is outspending 4-1 so he can still have double the negative ads and then have double the fluff ads as well.
McCains ads are some of the only ways you’ll hear about Obama negatives anyways since anytime something comes up negative about Obama the MSM writes a bunch of fluffy articles trying to spin it and redirect it at McCain. MSM has lost ALL credibility for me going forward.

It seems a lot of people on here like to bash anyone who does not support the same candidate thy do. I support John McCain does that make me a bad person? I respect who people want to vote for I just hope everyone looks at all the facts and makes a decision based on that information. To ignore the negative is wrong. Both candidates have negatives and this includes Obama.

“None are as blind as those that will not see”
If Obama is president there will be buyer’s remorse…
The media have mocked McCain’s character and it’s more than shameful – it a travesty of justice.
I guess we live in age of flash and lack of respect for people’s devotion to their country.
This country will miss McCain when he is gone but it’ll be too late.

Batesba,
I hear what you’re saying. I agree with most of Obama’s plan and virtually all of his views. There are some things I disagree with, that I would consider negative, but overall he has the better plan.
Now when you say ‘negative’, I think you’ll find that Obama supporters are frustrated because even though the Ayers thing, the Acorn thing, the socialist thing, the birth certificate thing, the muslim thing, have all been discredited multiple times, the McCain camp continues to use these fear-based smears. That kind of campaigning much more ‘negative’ to me than the small policy differences I have from Obama.
I’m not speaking for all Obama supporters, but it’s sad to me that the conversation comes down to that.

“What about integrity?”
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What about it? Sadly, there’s very little of it to be found in politics.
Your McCain reference is duly noted however. His Senate record shows he has consistenly worked with both parties. This has earned him support from indies and moderates and grudging support among some conservatives.
I don’t see a similar record in Obama or Biden despite their promises to reach across party lines. I just don’t think they’ll be able to pull it off. However, they may not need to. If they win, they may be able to simply implement their agenda while steamrolling any opposition or dissent. That’s the state of nirvana the Left is hoping for and it may just happen.

have all been discredited multiple times
That’s just it they haven’t – it’s all spin and twisting by Obama with the help of the media. Wake up and don’t throw away your vote – do the research don’t be lazy…

Hmm… I didn’t know Sarah Palin was in on the discussion when Obama was deliberating who to choose as his running candidate. I think Clinton was seriously considered – she had to be based on the number of votes she was able to pull in in the run for the Democratic nomination. Enough Sarah – you didn’t even know the duties of the vice-president so why would anyone believe you have insider knowledge on this one?

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
This is so obvious to some but sadly not to others…

Well, Kimmy maybe you can go back to 1913 and eliminate the progressive tax program?

MOMO the Unhinged;
Stem cells can come from embryos… they can also be harvested from an umbilical cord after birth… they can also, if recent experiments are confirmed, be made from skin cells…
What does the Bible have against Umbilical cords and skin? I thought the Bible was pro-conception..?
More umbilical cords result from more procreation… which makes more stem cells available. So the Bible is undoubtedly pro stem-cell research.
:-)

“Sarah Palin is the best VP since James Baker and I think she should run for President In 1012 or Conoleeza Rice- (the First Black president) i predict that one”
LOLZ at the typo; 1012, indeed. A Palin administration would be replete with Dark Ages trappings; inquisitions, burning books, demonic exorcisms etc etc

“What about rights to public schools? medicare? The postal system? Social Security? Unemployment? Welfare? Disability Insurance?
All of these alleged SOCIALIST programs have been in place for many years under the government’s control.”
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None of these are “rights” that Americans have. They are what they are – programs administered by the Federal government and supported by taxpayers.
And yes, the more control the federal government has over our lives, the closer we get to socialism. I don’t see how that can be disputed.

LOL Torrboy…
Tell me again about how the universe revolves around the earth…?

Obama is the new Teflon President. Anything the republicans say does not stick!
President Obama! Get used to it!

While we debate Palins lipstick Russia,Iran and Qatar are forming Gas cartels. Chavesz wants subs. Iran sponsoring Airfields in the Ccaribbean hmmm

Cliff,
I dissagree…
Just because some programs that we now have in place would be considered socialist (and I agree that all the programs I mentioned are socialist), doesn’t mean that we are a socialist nation. We have never been a purely capitalist or purely socialist nation. As I’ve said before…we fall in the middle.
But nothing Obama is proposing is any more overtly socialist than the system we already have.
Offering government sponsored healthcare might be one of your arguments but we already offer that in terms of medicare and medicaide and the government would not replace employer plans.
Eliminating tax cuts for certain tax brackets might be the other argument. But remember, he’s suggesting we roll back tax cuts for individuals above 200k or families above 250k to levels reflecting where we were before Pres Bush. And at that time, this country was economically way better off than we were before or since.
But I digress…
Which social programs already in existence would you keep or eliminate and why???

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.”
Certainly – I would like freedom from torture, from being bugged, from having to pay taxes for wars that aren’t mine, have an abortion if my circumstances make it difficult for me to raise a child… It is curious how conservatives have no qualms about spending tax money on wars, on the police, on prisons, on motorways, etc., but not on healthcare, education, etc.

Cryos,
You clearly never got the memo that the cold war is over, and the reds aren’t hiding under your bed waiting to steal your capitalism.
I take issue and completely disagree that you would even consider that the majority of Americans would want to take the lazy way out.
Your argument is simple and devoid of any critical thought. It’s just the fear talking. Turn off Fox News.

SHEOPLE! MYSELF INCLUDED!
This is an “eye-opener” why none of our arguments on this subject matter.
Please take 15 minutes TRY to understand!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

As for Biden and Scranton whayt hsappen to inner city pverty .LA california My god America what happens to IMmigration, to The 100,000 women killed in the deserts sands. Talk about Rwanda when there is mass murder right on our doorsteps

the bis (homogenous) left haha want to dictate policy for the stable right- they want to make Sarah Palin out as a pook- We know their evil intentions and we are above this weakness.
Obama is on the Hollywood Express to and Jesse Jackson knew it and wanted to you knowwhat! haha

Palin is The Truest and most compeling individual of this elections. She is the most human and the most inspiring by far.

John McCain how can I get my donation money back that I contributed to you. I did not contribute money for Sarah Palin and her families wardrobe. I would like a refund.

The first presidential election year that Gov. Palin was old enough to vote was in 1984.
Did Sarah Palin vote for Ferraro?
In 1984, Geraldine Ferraro was picked to run as Vice President of the United States on the DEMOCRATIC Party ticket, with former Vice President Walter Mondale as the candidate for President.

Batesba,
I hear what you’re saying.
I don’t think he taught classes for Acorn, he attended some training sessions to encourage people to vote.
Regarding the Rev. Wright thing; like you, I had a concern about that at first. I urge you to read or watch Obama’s speech called “A More Perfect Union.” It’s kind of long, but a very good read, and it put to rest any question I had about the Rev. Wright thing. In fact, it was actually quite inspiring.
Regarding tax cuts for non workers…that’s not what he means. Remember that there are those people who make so little they are not charged INCOME tax. BUT they pay social security and payroll taxes, etc. They are still contributing to the system. People who aren’t paying taxes won’t get a tax refund.
Regarding taxes on business…if you own a business and make a net profit (NET- after payroll, expenses, etc), you will get charged 3% more ONLY on the money over and above 200k.- again…close to what we had in 2000.
I’m not sure about the capital gains tax thing…let me look into it and get back to ya! :)

jwench;
And isn’t it ironic how the left constantly accuse the right of being vicious, mean spirited, hate mongers with no sense of tolerance? Selective application.

“Cryos,
You clearly never got the memo that the cold war is over, and the reds aren’t hiding under your bed waiting to steal your capitalism.
I take issue and completely disagree that you would even consider that the majority of Americans would want to take the lazy way out.
Your argument is simple and devoid of any critical thought. It’s just the fear talking. Turn off Fox News.
Posted by: Concerned”
Nice partisan knee jerk response to a VERY valid scenario (in my opinion).
You know thats funny in China alone there are 1.2 billion communists. You think that Russia, China, North Korea, etc aren’t working to try to undermine our capitalist republic? I hope you are not that naive.
I can tell you this there is a small chance I would work as hard and stressful of a job as I do if it had no personal benefit. I don’t think I”m alone in this and I think you are denying what you know is the truth.
If you want to blind yourself from reality to “believe” that is your choice but at least try to be honest.

MOMO:”the bis (homogenous) left haha want to dictate policy for the stable right- they want to make Sarah Palin out as a pook- We know their evil intentions and we are above this weakness.”
Maybe, but i think poor Sarah needs another exorcism before Election Day, just to be safe… Palin may be the “most human” in this election, but that’s apparently only after they got that pesky demon out of her.
I can see the new GOP platform now; “Let’s clean up Washington!!! Mandatory Weekly Exorcisms for all public servants!!!”

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.”
Certainly – I would like freedom from torture, from being bugged, from having to pay taxes for wars that aren’t mine, have an abortion if my circumstances make it difficult for me to raise a child… It is curious how conservatives have no qualms about spending tax money on wars, on the police, on prisons, on motorways, etc., but not on healthcare, education, etc.
Posted by: Libertarian”
So you cherry picked one quote from many. Would you like to discuss others in relation to socialism? And by the way if you are liberatarian you would be opposed to the healthcare and education issues just like national security and police. Any true liberatarian is far from socialist.

Posting this scenario one more time for people glorifying socialism because Obama believes in it. Take this scenario and apply it to a whole country. If productivity and the economy goes into the gutter indefinitely ALL of us are a lot worse off then we are now.
Let me provide a simple example of the end state of socialism that many people of high school/college age should understand if they are honest with themselves.
Scenario: You just graduated high school and are considering whether to go to college and what type of career to pursue. You have 2 choices:
1. Work a gas station job that requires no further education and no “off hours” work.
2. Work an IT job that requires at least a bachelors degree, continuous education as well as has after hours work, on call and is very mentally stressful.
Both jobs will provide you with the same quality of life. They’ll both earn you the same home, same car, and same amount of spending money. Which one will you choose?
Some people with strong work ethics or with an interest in a specific field might choose option 2 but I GUARANTEE if answering honestly the majority of people would choose option 1.
That is the impact that socialism would have on the country.. It will remove a LOT of motivation to work hard and become successful because instead you could do the minimum, have more free time for friends and family, and at the end of the day have the same quality of life as someone who works hard.
The result would be a continually declining american education, workforce, etc. The only way to combat this would be to force people to work to their potential and the minute we go there we are communist.

“I can see the new GOP platform now; “Let’s clean up Washington!!! Mandatory Weekly Exorcisms for all public servants!!!”"
I haven’t checked into this to see if the accusations are viable, but even so I’d prefer someone who wants to exorcise demons within themselves rather than listen to demons preaching racial hatred for 20 years.

Cliff,
Thanks for your answer. I may not agree with you, but you’re the FIRST person to answer me- and I’ve asked the question a LOT.
There’s a couple issues I’d ask you to consider. I get concerned when I hear about privatizing medicare- I’m just not sure the elderly can navigate such a system, and I think it leaves them vulnerable to unscrupulous individuals. How would you address that?
I realize that these programs are not rights. But you say you’d keep public education and I think that everybody would support some type of public schooling because it’s better for our society. Not only in terms of future success, but it contributes to the economy and the health and happiness of our citizens. And that’s the kind of country I want to live in. I don’t have kids, but I have no problem paying real estate taxes (and in NYC they’re HIGH) which are used in my neighborhood schools. I also don’t mind funding programs that make sure the elderly couple next door has heat in the winter and can get their medication. I also don’t mind that, in hard times like these, my cousin got unemployment for a few months after getting laid off from the utility company she’s worked for these past 12 years (I’ve been there- it sucks). I don’t mind if some of my taxes goes to libraries and parks and all these other programs that make America the culture it is.
Now, after all the peace and love, let me tell you what I don’t want.
I don’t want to bail people out of mortgages they never should have taken. I don’t want young women to have children to abuse the welfare system. I don’t want any one who benefits from these programs to think there is a bottomless well out there for them.
But here’s what I REALLY don’t want. I don’t want a good presidential candidate demonized as a socialist unfairly. He’s not doing anything radical. And if he does bolster this country and get the economy back to where we were in 2000 every one will be better off.

@Cryos,
Search for “Palin exorcism video” in any search engine… video links get flagged as spam by this site, else I’d link you directly, sorry.

“Now, after all the peace and love, let me tell you what I don’t want.”
Your turn to be my hero, Concerned… great post.

Cryos,
I will again respond to your scenario: given the choice, people want to make a contribution and to work hard and get ahead. The majority of people are not relying on cushy jobs.
You’re grasping at straws. Show me a study or some statistic to back up your claim.

The more I think about it, John McCain isn’t a natural when it comes to running campaigns. The reason: He’s just an honest person who truly wants to serve the public. He doesn’t need “President” on his resume, he already has 20+ years in the military (including 17 military awards and decorations), 20+ years in the Senate where he’s sponsored NUMEROUS bills on issues from Indian Affairs to Fuel Efficiency to Immigration to Veterans Affairs to public safety, national defense, etc! Shame on anyone to write him off for his age or looks- maybe he should apologize for the many times he put his life in danger just so you have the right to make those stupid remarks. I’m so ashamed when people do that. SHAME on anyone who assumes he’s just another old guy running for office- he’s HAS been a maverick and showed that he IS TOUGH. And people think he’s ANGRY? Maybe that’s what we need!! Maybe we need someone who is angry with the way things are going!! I want a person who will FIGHT and WORK, not for his own glory, but for our country.
Now we have problems with Obama possibly delaying the legal verification of his birth certificate! WHAT DOES THIS MAN KEEP HIDING? And NO, he hasn’t really answered for his affiliations with Wright, Ayers, Reznic, Frannie and Freddie, ACORN etc. This is getting to be ridiculous. I , as many citizens, are really getting tired of this song and dance routine.

Cryos,
Among my mentors are athiests, republicans, catholics, farmers, foreigners, domestics….a well-rounded person learns from differences as well as similarities.
He has NOT voted for raising taxes across the board. You are ill-informed.
I’m still not sure about the capital gains thing….the last I heard him say was that he would eliminate capital gains up to 15k during this economic crisis so that people would have access to assets if they needed them.

“Cryos,
I will again respond to your scenario: given the choice, people want to make a contribution and to work hard and get ahead. The majority of people are not relying on cushy jobs.
You’re grasping at straws. Show me a study or some statistic to back up your claim.
Posted by: Concerned”
I would say looking at posts and people’s reactions to “taxing the rich” and their “rights” I think are evidence alone in favor of my judgement of the scenario.
I would like to agree with your assessment but I can’t. The problem also is that working hard wouldn’t get you ahead hence the loss of motivation.
The optimistic side of me believes as you do but then I look at what people do when given a choice, the things people demand, the state of many countries in the world, etc and it is hard for me to agree.
The path of least resistance is taken most often if there is no personal incentive to make another choice. I see it as an unfortunate reality.

Cryos,
Perhaps you see it that way because that’s what’s salient to you? The people who are doing what they’re supposed to be doing- getting an education and working hard- just fade into the background while the few who abuse the system are so out-and-proud, acting all entitled to a free slice of pie…(see? I’m not ALL that liberal ;) )

I posted Obama’s views regarding capital gains. That to me is even worse than his statement with Joe.
I agree with your statement regarding influences and being well balanced. I know and converse with people from all spectrums of politics, religion, etc because often things that challenge your views result in better learning experiences.
However judging even by his own books Obama doesn’t appear to have that type of diversity in his mentors and socialism/marxism are a unifying thread in the people he admired most.
On a seperate issue, in the campaign Obama called out McCain and Palin on “transparency” but why hasn’t he released things like his Occidental and Columbia University records? He just seems to use a lot of double standards and depends on the media to only raise one side of the story.

What was said was direct and pointed. You may disagree with her but at least you have something to disagree with.
What is offered by Obama, change ? What change ?
Get out of Iraq and move into Afghanistan and Pakistan ?
Offer more government intervention which caused the banking problems in the first place ?
Obama and McCain .. it is hard to tell which one is young and which one is old.
It is time to make a difference vote the bloodsuckers out, vote out the democrats and the republicans. Vote third party and independent vote for something don’t vote for the lesser of 2 evils because all you will get is evil.
In 2000, people voted against the Democrats and they got Bush for eight years. Democrats and Republican are the problem and picking on Palin’s character won’t get you any where unless you listen to the third parties and fight to get them into the debates.
The third parties represent a voice that needs to be heard. If Obama or McCain fails to hear the voice of the Naders, Barr, Ron Pauls and McKinney then let the democrats and republicans lose votes because of it.
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” — John Quincy Adams

Cryos,
I’m glad we’re finding common ground!
I think Obama has a highly diverse background; culturally, racially, and if you take a look at his Illinois senate record I think you’d be more than satisfied that he’s worked with democrats and republicans on some tough issues.
Regarding his transcripts…I hadn’t heard that he blocked his records but, do you really need to see them? The guy graduated Magna cum Laude from Harvard Law for god’s sake…it’s likely he passed a good portion of his undergrad coursework.

My guess would be, this argument is working with the PUMAS’. The libs are losing this arguement. I sense panic from the left.

As an addition to my last post, what Governor Palin could explain is that out of all the other very well qualified Republican females in politics, and trust me, there are many, why did he pick her? Popular governon in america? i think not, haven’t heard of her but i’ve heard of Schwartz. Reform minded? please. laughable. take on government? troopergate. what is it then? please explain this to me cause it appears as though old man panicked and picked the first name on the Republican rollerdex with a vagina. I am a female , and i feel insulted.

Sara Palin has more executive experience in her little finger than Obama has in his whole anorexic resume!
Obama is a camouflaged misogynist whose hatred and dislike of women was so obvious to us all in his treatment of Hillary Clinton. His rapper Jay C act on stage in N.C. day after his pathetic PA. ABC debate showed us his huge disrespect when he used his midfinger to “scratch” his cheek awaiting for his audience to ‘clue in’ his dumb juvenile “flip-off” joke and hten he dusted his shoulder and “scraped” Hillary off his shoes.
Obama, you sir, are a sexist piggie and you can’t fool us.

“Regarding his transcripts…I hadn’t heard that he blocked his records but, do you really need to see them? The guy graduated Magna cum Laude from Harvard Law for god’s sake…it’s likely he passed a good portion of his undergrad coursework.
Posted by: Concerned”
THe issue for me is not the records, grades, thesis, etc but a pattern of character and judgement. Both Obama and the media seem to play off each other for issues like this.
It seems that Obama criticizes others on issues where he actually has more liability but has the “do as I say not as I do I am not held to my own standards” attitude. The records combined with many other issues where he seems to duck the questions and deflect and then uses the media’s lack of impartial reporting and investigation to back him up. This pattern to me makes me even more suspicious of trusting what he says.
McCain has a MUCH more bipartisan record even if you limit the timeframe. Do a search on “washington times mccain bipartisanship” and regardless of spin the September 15th article examines voting records and bill sponsorship and finds McCain much more bipartisan.

Oh! Sorry Cliff, is that for me? :)
He wants to raise capital gains from 15 to 20% for people making over 250k per year.
Analysts say this is 1/3 lower than the rate set by Reagan.

Mary, i don’t even know where to begin to address your stupidity.
The nominee has every right, and it is his sole decision to pick whomever he wants to be vice president. he does not owe hillary a single thing. thats done.
second, i am quite amazed at how you overlook the candidate who is anti family values and has demonstrated in his life, his selfish, openly misogynist ways, say the cheating with his first wife, the mistress who became the second wife, “trollop, c***” , your candidate, not mine. and yet, you seem to point that just because he did not pick hillary he is misogynist ? please.
One house, one spouse. i cannot even begin to tell you the love i feel just seeing Mr. and Mrs. Obama together and with their family. what that portrays for a nation that so values family.
you Mary, stand corrected.
cheers all.

Concerned would you care to address the capital gains issue? Perhaps you are researching it, busy with other things, etc so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt however you are showing signs of an Obama blogger by ignoring the elephant in the room you mentioned you’d “like to look into.”

“He wants to raise capital gains from 15 to 20% for people making over 250k per year.”
First, raising it even a single point is pointless and counterproductive. Second, color me skeptical that Obama would stop at a 20% rate and $250k/yr. I’ve just never known a liberal democrat to do such a thing.
Just speaking from experience…

Cliff
“First, raising it even a single point is pointless and counterproductive. Second, color me skeptical that Obama would stop at a 20% rate and $250k/yr. I’ve just never known a liberal democrat to do such a thing.”
I take it you would prefer a “Tax-Cut and Spend-Anyways” conservative..? ;-)

I’m done too. At some point I need to get back to work… :)
I’ll just end with this. Obama needs to build on his record. He needs to show bipartisan leadership in the US Senate during the next four years. He needs to show that he can actually cut government waste and support policies that serve to stimulate the economy thereby lifting all boats.
I think once he has accomplished these things, then many more Americans will trust him. At the moment, I sit here with a sheet of paper listing the accomplishments and experience of both Obama and McCain and folks, there just is no comparison.
Cliff out!

When you respond to this post in relation to Obama and socialism I asked about 3+ times with a straight answer and not trying to spin it maybe I’ll believe you are trying to do what you claim. I can respect your viewpoints but everything you say “gets away from the issues” and ONLY criticizes McCain not Obama. Any honest person who is not a “party hack” should be able to say that both sides are wrong in some respects.
GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.
So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.

“I take it you would prefer a “Tax-Cut and Spend-Anyways” conservative..? ;-)”
Nope. I’m a “Tax-Cut and Cut-Spend” conservative. I supported the Bush tax cuts but vehemently opposed the spending increases that were passed under his leadership. I felt it was very irresponsible, and so did John McCain, btw.
Thanks for asking…

Cryos and cliff, i really do appreciate the civil discourse, its refreshing to see that these days.
for cryos, i doubt you’ll regard huffpost as your preferred source of info but i think that you’ll greatly enjoy reading this article, also quoted NYT and times links in there. explains the whole Bipartisan arguement better than i can on this forum
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/the-bipartisanship-scam_b_101385.html

Just reading over these many, many comments on Palin, mainly negative, is very amusing as I see how very much she gets under all of your skin. This is great! MCCAIN/PALIN!!!!

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/22/1579781.aspx

Voter in PA ditto; thanks! Concerned I also appreciate the civil discourse but feel you have been disingenuous in some of your replies and changing of subjects. However many of your opinions are well thought out and I respect that.

FYI my google criteria wasn’t meant to throw the discussion off it is the first thing I checked since it is in the title. You could also google “washington times obama bipartisanship” :)

“”Cryos said:
“Sigh done wasting time debating with an Obama blogger. Oh well hopefully some people learned things from the exchange. I get tired of all the deflection used to fill up the blog with rhetoric”
Now you’ve gone and hurt my feelings. I was trying real hard not to be deflective or rhetorical.
Oh well.
Posted by: Concerned”
We were first discussing Obama and socialism and I brought up 2 concrete things to address. I have asked no less than 4 times to address the Gibson capital gains issue and you won’t even acknowledge it or comment on it. I don’t see how you could be more deflective or rhetorical than that.
In my opinion Obama’s answer speaks for itself that he considers “fairness” above economic concerns in taxation. I guess I’m curious what other type of conclusion to draw. I hold statements like this with high significance given the limited pool of adhoc statements by Obama not part of talking points or stump speeches.

PS ….that’s for people making net > 200k

To every Hillary Clinton supporter voting for John McCain because he picked Sarah Palin…
Thanks for proving you’re just as stupid and shallow as they hoped and expected you would be.

Posting one more time so Concerned’s paid blogger distractions don’t scroll it way up.
Here is a very relevant question regarding Obama and socialism.
Concerned, the “joe the plumber” off the cuff remark and I think an unplanned reply to Gibson regarding capital gains taxes to me solidified “socialist” type leanings I was highly suspicious of. Among other “warning signs” I interpreted were:
1. He has voted for tax increases across the board from his voting records
2. Many of his mentors are marxist, socialist and communist. Unless you agree at least to a degree with their ideals I wouldn’t think you would consider them your mentors.
3. He has changed his tune many times. Against Hillary the cap was $70K but he upped it to $250K for the general election.
Here is the snippet from the Gibson interview. My interpretation was that regardless of evidence that shows lower capital gains is good for government revenue and the economy Obama would still want to raise it for “fairness.” This says to me that he puts “fairness” above economic sense which scares me in more ways than 1.
GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.
So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.

Cryos,
1.) Asked and answered.
2.) Asked and answered.
3.) 70k is not what he’s proposing in his plan, and I can’t find anything about his past proposal- which would be moot at this point.
Your interview snippet…I’m not sure of your point, but I’ve already posted several answers regarding capital gains.

That quote does not say he would raise taxes for people making 75-200. They would stay the same. You missed something here.

That quote does not say he would raise taxes for people making 75-200. They would stay the same. You missed something here.
Posted by: Concerned
Article quote:
I said I would cut taxes for people making $75,000 a year or less.
Your spin is getting more and more desperate. He only extended TAX CUTS up to $75k (70K was a mistake I made). It is VERY relevant since it hints that his tax cut caps vary according to his audience.
Once again take care.

For every Democratic party offical whom made a sexist and misognyist comment or stood silently by while Hillary was attacked you must be held accountable. For every Obama supporter that made sexist and misognyist comments about Hillary you must be held accountable. For every MSM whom attacked Hillary with misognyist and sexist comments against must be held accountable.
Now is the time to pay. This life long Democrat voted down ticket Republican today. Damn it felt good too.

TLINTX–I totally agree –to let this go unchecked is far more dangerous than to vote for McCain considering the DEM’s will control Congress. I decided to vote for McCain when they took the delegates from Hillary in that back room deal where they appointed Obama.

Mc Cain/Palin 2008!

amazed801;”What next? A core group of Obama enthusiasts — those educated professionals who applaud the “fairness” of their candidate’s tax plans — will soon see their $100,000-$150,000 incomes targeted. As entitlements expand and a self-interested majority votes, the higher tax brackets will kick in at lower levels down the ladder, all the way to households with a $75,000 income.”
So, what does that all mean..? People making >250 grand might have to choose the Acura, instead of the BMW..?
EEEK!!!! THE HORROR!!!!111!
Gadzooks, amazed801, don’t scare the rich people like that before Halloween!

Obama doesn’t care about women’s issues. Why should he?
His treatment of women is patronizing and dismissive.
Much like these dumb blonde stereotypes who sleep their way to the top! He’s just lying his way to the top job!
but do we have to suffer his fat ego!?
Posted by: pat | Oct 22, 2008 4:15:53 PM
EASY COWBOY you gonna hurt yourself with all this contradiction you’re doing.
soooo.. where did you meet Barack? how long you’ve known him?
or are you just ingesting whatever the GOP served for lunch yesterday?
two words for you:
CHELSEA RENO

SOLVE THE EQUATION
MCCAIN: FOREIGN POLICY, DOMESTIC ACCOMPLISHMENTS
PALIN: DOMESTIC ACCOMPLISHMENTS
OBAMA: NONE(MANIPULATIVE PSYCHOLOGY, KOOL-AID)
BIDEN: FOREIGN POLICY
DO THE MATH!
GO PALIN!!!!

I’m a PUMA voting for McCain. Palin is just icing on the cake.
No Way, No How, NoBama!!
Hillary 2012!!

hillarysmygirl08 WARNING
You sound very angry…the Rove handbook tactics have worked on you. Do you understand anger is actually a secondary emotion? Anger is the secondary emotion to the primary emotions of: fear, insecurity or frustration. The Q you ought to ask is how do you get from supporting Hillary to Palin, polar opposites? You are voting with your emotions…fine…just understand how manipulated you have been…I was blind and now I see…and it is with amazing grace I will vote for Obama…

How many “Hockey Moms” have 150,000 dollars worth of clothes? Yeah, she’s authentic just like the rest of the phony hypocritic republicans and their party.

Lest you forget – this election is between an elected candidate John McCain of the Republican Party and a selected candidate forced on us by the Democrat Party.
In the name of Liberty – Please vote on Nov. 4 and make that vote count toward the prevention of an illegitimate coronation of a man who does not deserve to be president. God forbid he winds up with The Oval Office – The House – The Senate- The Treasury – The Justice Dept. and The Media! Think about it! And they hate Women!
Our failure to interrupt Obama’s plans will in fact result in his success. The only thing that ensures him that success is OUR Failure to intercede!
Is Sarah a feminist? You betcha!
When I read Governor Sarah Palin’s explicitly feminist political speech given in Nevada on 10/21, I choose to believe she meant what she said – why shouldn’t I? It is clear that this woman is her own person and she has made her own choices and she has climbed the ladder of success on her own merits. She was not cultivated as a politician – she owes no one any favors and she is one of us with all her differences – she is woman watch her roar.
Please pass a copy of her speech on to every women you know and ask her to have another look and decide how much longer we will wait for a THE perfect women to show up? You know the woman that will appeal to everyone in the country — apparently that is what we are looking for right? Hillary wouldn’t do for half the country and now Sarah will not for the other half. Stop the insanity and let’s give this woman-the same opportunity we have always given the men we have elected – when’s the last time you agreed totally with any one of them?

And I’d LOVE to watch Hillary mop the floor with Palin in ’16.

Date:Thurs Oct 23,2008
Time:7:13PM
Hillary PUMA
Re: On Thursday Philip Berg filed an Temmporary Restraining order against Barry Soetore..aka Barack Obama to stop campagining..a once.
I think it’s safe to assume that if Barack Obama, continues to defey order court’s to hault his campagin..he could then be arrested ..I think this is what Gov.Palin is really trying to say to the public at large.
Sincerely,
Emmery Jones Jr
Medical Record’s Admin.CCS-P
WCSU Radio.com kb9Zxe
Graduate:William Rainey Harper College