Palin Says Vice President “In Charge Of” Senate

Lord help us all if this woman wins and would end up as our President.

Making an issue of this just shows the incredible bias the media has against this woman. The use of the phrases “in charge over” vs “presides over” is purely a matter of semantics. Joe Biden says something stupid almost every time he opens his mouth but the media gives him a pass. How is Biden more qualified when he thinks President Roosevelt went on TV after the 1929 stock market crash to calm people down or after 36 years in the Senate he doesn’t know when the Vice President presides over the Senate? And I think it is absolutely despicable that Biden has embellished the tragic story of his wife and daughter’s death by falsely saying on numerous occasions that they were killed by a drunk driver when the investigation showed no evidence of alcohol.

Palin is a power-crazed megalomaniac, she’s worse than Cheney ffs!

Also, the vice is considered the 101st senator, often being the tie breaking vote in an evenly split decision.
I think she is far more qualified than certain polar bear huggin’ vice presidents we’ve had.

Can she actually be dumber than Quayle?

OMG that interview was so funny! She did not have a clue what she was talking about and trying to sound intelligent. I got to give it to her she have a lot of guts and confidence in herself. She truly believes that she is smart. My husband and I had the best laugh when she was speaking – I no longer undecided. Lord Please help us if this woman get’s close to the white house. She is just plain dumb! John McCain should be a shame of himself.

You people kill me Because some of the Veep’s choose not to get more involved in doing there job she is moronic .

Keep up the propaganda ABC. Your relentless campaign to make this woman appear incompetent is stunning. In your article you state “the Vice President does serve as president of the Senate, according to the U.S. Constitution.” That’s exactly what she said.
Where is your article about Joe Biden incorrectly describing the role in the VP debate after spending 35 years in the Senate?
You guys are truly sickening.

What was McCain thinking? Oh that’s right he wasn’t.

I cant wait for my 3 letter word J-O-B-S Joe is the real Moron but attack Palin MSM at its worst as usual

McCain and Camp have made a mockery of our political process by choosing Palin as his running mate. This has got to be a gimmick and we are just dreaming right? This is outrageous!

I see it is wrong when Palin says it but okay if Biden says it…got it.

I am voting for Obama and don’t agree with Sarah Palin’s social policies but I think this is nitpicking. She was trying to speak down to a child using terms he would understand. There are far better things to knock her for, I think this is just pushing it.

Palin is George Bush in drag.

For once in this campaign everybody is right:
This is unfair petty criticism.
The media is biased.
Palin is a disasterous choice for VP.

Keep up the propaganda ABC. Your relentless campaign to make this woman appear incompetent is stunning. In your article you state “the Vice President does serve as president of the Senate, according to the U.S. Constitution.” That’s exactly what she said.
Where is your article about Joe Biden incorrectly describing the role in the VP debate after spending 35 years in the Senate?
You guys are truly sickening.
Posted by: steve | Oct 22, 2008 8:23:29 AM
Hey Steve,
I have a little secret for you…………..She does that all by herself!

is this idiot for real am not even an american and I know what the Constitution says about the Vice President role this woman should go back to grade school, What do you expect from somebody that belonged to the AIP, her and her husband never believed that Alaska is part of the Us territory

The media is not as biased as you think
(Except for Fox News)
Their agenda is to make $$$ money questioning whoever is in power
They didn’t hold back on the Monica Lewinsky story to protect the Democrats…It was on the news
every day all day long. Why?
BECAUSE IT SOLD PAPERS AND AIRTIME

Steve,
This is what she said
““But also, they’re in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom”
Correct me if I am wrong, but she has no authority to make policy changes, only to break a tie.

Sorry Sarah,….it’s a moot point because you’re gonna lose in November anyway.
Don’t mess up your “Do” on the pickup truck’s gun rack on the way back to Alaska,….Heh-Heh!

I like Sarah Palin’s tax program:
On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted. The administration of Alaska’s governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan. This comes to about $741-million for state residents. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account. That comes to about $741-million for state residents
For a family of 7 (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means an additional $22,400.00 in income sent from the state of Alaska. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!
Sarah Palin is more ready for the Washington, D.C. crowd than Obama. Obama has proven he cannot even take care of a simple housing project. How can YOU expect Obama to run the country?
Obama wants to tax the oil companies and waste the collected taxes with federal government spending. The same spending waste used for his housing projects in Illinois. Where did the tax dollars go?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1
Obama gave the people in Illinois broken down housing and dangerous living conditions. Where did the money go? What pockets were filled with tax payers’ money from Washington, D.C.? We know where Governor Sarah Palin’s tax money is. The tax money is in the pockets of the residents of Alaska.
She would make a great Vice-President.

an unethical person who has used state funds for her daughter’s travels.

YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET A LIFE. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE OUTCOME READ YOUR BIBLE, IF YOU OWN ONE. IF NOT GO AND GET ONE AND THEN EAT IT UP.

It’s funny how many ppl don’t even know what the constitution says or even understand it. Especially the person that wrote this article. She said exactly what the constitution says in different words both in this interview and in the debate. It’s a shame that ppl would frame a story to meet what their political persuasion is.

“The Constitution clearly says that the Vice President “presides” over the Senate. How actively he or she should do so is a matter of opinion. After 36 years in the Senate Joe Biden incorrectly stated on national TV that the VP only “presides” when there is a tie and none of the media called him on that mistake. The media bias in this election is just unbelievable.”
Professorj,
You are wrong. So wrong that it is obvious you did not even read this article.
From above:
“Article I of the Constitution states that “The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided.”"
So the Vice president only presides over the senate when there is a tie, EXACTLY what Joe Biden said. Obviously you are not a Law Professor.

Palin is cute! And that’s why liberals can’t stand her…yet they adore Barney-fudge packer-Frank, Rossie Odonnell, Barb Streisand, Jon (foultmouth) Stewart…

This is why people in glass houses should not throw stones. If Palin did not base her campaigning totally around attacking Obama and if she had some real issues she could intelligently talk about, she would not be so grating on people. The people and the media call attention to her many blunders because she speaks out of both sides of her mouth (and winks).

“After 36 years in the Senate Joe Biden incorrectly stated on national TV that the VP only “presides” when there is a tie and none of the media called him on that mistake. The media bias in this election is just unbelievable.”
And the ignorance of supposed experts like you, ProfessorJ, is also unbelievable. When Biden made that statement, he was not referring to the official wording in the Constitution of the VP’s role in “presiding” over the Senate. He was referring to the daily operations of the Senate. Most of the time, the VP doesn’t sit at his podium “presiding” over the Senate. Usually the President ProTem or another senator is delegated the duty to “preside” over the daily business. About the only times the VP actually does take the podium and presides is when there is the possibility of a tie vote and he would have to cast a vote.
So either you are a terribly ignorant professor, since you don’t seem to understand the difference between the daily routines of the Senate, or that’s just a title you used, which means you’re just an ignorant citizen. Either way, the ignorance is still there and the “media bias” crap just confirms that you wanted to make a partisan rant.

He or she may be assigned additional duties by the president but, as the Constitution assigns no executive powers to the vice president, in performing such duties he or she acts only as an agent of the president
Here you go all you know it alls
Posted by: reddog0216 | Oct 22, 2008 8:28:06 AM
Ok, show me where it says she can make policy changes.

blackjack, please stop spewing diarrhea out of your mouth, you make me vomit

“I cant wait for my 3 letter word J-O-B-S Joe is the real Moron but attack Palin MSM at its worst as usual”
J-O-B-S is 4 letters reddog.

MEDIA AGENDA:
- DUMB DOWN AMERICANS
- Right wing BAD. Left wing GOOD!!!
- Republicans stupid, yet sinister!!!
- Bury bad stories about democrats!
- No news but bad news from Iraq!
- Tell the world how bad America is!
- Villify all opponents’ views!

Poor third grader got the wrong answers from the next VP…. If you think all third grader are uneducated then why did this third grader ask the same question Palin ask in a interview?

Again, Sarah was right. Her answer was consistent with both the Constitution and HISTORICAL PRECENDENT. (Seriously, do you guys really think her team of debate coaches wouldn’t have anticipated that question??)
“The FEDERALIST PAPERS, written by Alexander Hamilton, John Jay and James Madison, are generally considered to reflect the rationale of the framers of the Constitution. This is how they characterized the responsibilities of the vice president (Federalist 68):
“The vice president is to be chosen in the same manner with the President; with this difference, that the Senate is to do, in respect to the former, what is to be done by the House of Representatives, in respect to the latter. The appointment of an extraordinary person, as vice president, has been objected to as superfluous, if not mischievous. It has been alleged, that it would have been preferable to have authorized the Senate to elect out of their own body an officer answering that description. But two considerations seem to justify the ideas of the convention in this respect. One is, that to secure at all times the possibility of a definite resolution of the body, it is necessary that the president should have only a casting vote. And to take the senator of any State from his seat as senator, to place him in that of President of the Senate, would be to exchange, in regard to the state from which he came, a constant for a contingent vote. The other consideration is, that as the vice president may occasionally become a substitute for the president, in the SUPREME EXECUTIVE MAGISTRACY, all the reasons which recommend the mode of election prescribed for the one, apply with great if not with equal force to the manner of appointing the other It is remarkable that in this, as in most other instances, the objection which is made would lie against the constitution of this state. We have a lieutenant governor, chosen by the people at large, who PRESIDES in the Senate, and is the CONSTITUTIONAL SUBSTITUTE for the governor, in casualties similar to those which would authorize the vice president to exercise the authorities and discharge the duties of the President.”
In his 2004 treatise on Alexander Hamilton, Ron Chernow quoted a senator who characterized how Vice President Aaron Burr – functioning under President Thomas Jefferson-had PRESIDED over the Senate “with great ease, dignity and propriety.” He added that Burr was so estranged from Jefferson that his most notable achievements had come in the LEGISLATURE.”

Telling a friend that the love of his life is a phony and dangerous is not likely to get him to change his mind. But it may cost you a friend. It is much the same story with true believers in Barack Obama. They have made up their minds and not only don’t want to be confused by the facts, they resent being told the facts. An e-mail from a reader mentioned trying to tell his sister why he was voting against Obama but, when he tried to argue some facts, she cut him short: “You don’t like him and I do!” she said. End of discussion. When one thinks of all the men who have put their lives on the line in battle to defend and preserve this country, it is especially painful to think that there are people living in the safety and comfort of civilian life who cannot be bothered to find out the facts about candidates before voting to put the fate of this nation, and of generations yet to come, in the hands of someone chosen because they like his words or style. Of the four people running for president and vice president on the Republican and Democratic tickets, the one we know the least about is the one leading in the polls — Barack Obama. Some of Sen. Obama’s most fervent supporters could not tell you what he has actually done on such issues as crime, education, or financial institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, much less what he plans to do to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear nation supplying nuclear weapons to the international terrorist networks that it has supplied with other weapons.
The magic word “change” makes specifics unnecessary. If things are going bad, some think that what is needed is blank-check “change.” But history shows any number of countries in crises worse than ours, where “change” turned problems into catastrophes. In czarist Russia, for example, the economy was worse than ours is today and World War I was going far worse for the Russians than anything we have faced in Iraq. Moreover, Russians had nothing like the rights of Americans today. So they went for “change.” That “change” brought on a totalitarian regime that made the czars’ despotism look like child’s play. The communists killed more people in one year than the czars killed in more than 90 years, not counting the millions who died in a government-created famine in the 1930s. Other despotic regimes in China, Cuba, and Iran were similarly replaced by people who promised “change” that turned out to be even worse than what went before. Yet, many today seem to assume that if things are bad, “change” will make them better. Specifics don’t interest them nearly as much as inspiring rhetoric and a confident style. But many 20th century leaders with inspiring rhetoric and great self-confidence led their followers or their countries into utter disasters. These ranged from Jim Jones who led hundreds to their deaths in Jonestown to Hitler and Mao who led millions to their deaths. What specifics do we know about Barack Obama’s track record that might give us some clue as to what kinds of “changes” to expect if he is elected?
We know that he opposed the practice of putting violent young felons on trial as adults. We know that he was against a law forbidding physicians to kill a baby that was born alive despite an attempt to abort it. We know that Obama opposed attempts to put stricter regulations on Fannie Mae — and that he was the second largest recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae. We know that this very year his campaign sought the advice of disgraced former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines. Fannie Mae and Raines were at the heart of “the mess in Washington” that Barack Obama claims he is going to clean up under the banner of “change.” The public has been told very little about what this man with the wonderful rhetoric has actually done. What we knows enough to make us wonder about what we don’t know. Or it ought to. For the true believers — which includes many in the media — it is just a question of whether you like him or not.

From her ridiculous comments she’s obviously not very bright. It’s no wonder she has such strong appeal to her republican constituents – those ignorant ones that don’t realize that they have nothing to gain under a republican leadership – republican politicians are in it for the wealthy you fools, they just promise you guns and religion to keep you in tow.

Biden LIED about the role of the Vice President in the constitution during the debate.
Funny ABCNEWS never mentioned that? Wonder why.
ExDemocrat.

It’s pretty damn sad when American’s try to make ridiculous excuses for someone running as important a position as VP. Trying to say that it is media bias to point out that this woman was clearly BSing her way through a simple question she should know by now, not alone knowing that her answer would be critiqued on its accuracy, is simply pathetic. I wonder how many of you apologists know what the the three main branches of our government are or why we have them. America is going down the tubes in so many ways and you all still want to elect an obviously incompetent, grossly unqualified person for VP. And why, I might ask? Just because she’s a christian? Because she’s cute? Because she’s for “Pro-Americans” in small towns. The stench of ignorance on this woman reeks to high heaven and still you believe it’s ok for her to be one heart attack away from being the President of the United States. Are you all out of your freaking minds, or just as dumb (or dumber) as she is? Or, does your confidence in her come from the belief that Todd Palin will be right there to help her out if she gets too confused? I wouldn’t want to have a beer with her and I don’t give a damn about hockey. I want to know that the people I plan to elect are highly intelligent and capable. I am not intimidated by “smarts” or put off by “elitism”. You morons can justify elite athletes playing for your home team but you don’t want the best and brightest running your government? Damn.

Borrowing some thoughts from the great late Ann Richards
Poor Sarah, she can’t help it, she was born with an icy foot in her mouth.

Boy Jake this is over the top silly journalism. You are parsing words here.
Why not cover the fact that the Obama campaign has only received 25% of their campaign finances from small donors? According to today’s Washington Post, lots of big money is behind Obama. I thought his grassroots support was so tremendous that it was supposed to be a new form of campaign finance reform.

MEDIA AGENDA:
- DUMB DOWN AMERICANS (already done)
- Right wing BAD. Left wing GOOD!!!(because libs have good ideas, and repubs have awful ones)
- Republicans stupid, yet sinister!!!(truth hurts)
- Bury bad stories about democrats!(bad stories are what you say, bad. And 95% of the time they are not true)
- No news but bad news from Iraq!(What is good about people dieing everyday?)
- Tell the world how bad America is!(The world is telling america how bad it is, some people refuse to listen)
- Villify all opponents’ views!(Mccains stragedy, don’t take away his only plan.)

Palin is not just corrupt – she is inept! GOD, how could McCain pick someone so UNQUALIFIED and POWER HUNGRY?
Did he really think AMERICANS were so stupid that “pretty, young, and folksy” as a VP pick would do?
He didn’t check her out at ALL! She is making it up as she goes. Palin has NO IDEA what the VP job is! AND she lied to the little 2nd grader who asked the question!
Posted by: Independant American Woman | Oct 22, 2008 8:57:16 AM
Why dont you read what the constitution says then break out a dictonary and get back to us!!!

reddog,
either you are wrong, or you are arguring a different point.
“Your own words leave room for what a vp does or does not do “usually” They have the power to “preside” over the senate while most choose not to they do have the power to”
If by presides, you mean “sits in the room and watches the senators vote”, then you are correct.
If by presides, you mean “argues points and tries to sway the opinion of the senators” then you are wrong.

Independant American Woman look at Orbama for corruption:
On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted. The administration of Alaska’s governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan. This comes to about $741-million for state residents. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account. That comes to about $741-million for state residents
For a family of 7 (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means an additional $22,400.00 in income sent from the state of Alaska. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!
Sarah Palin is more ready for the Washington, D.C. crowd than Obama. Obama has proven he cannot even take care of a simple housing project costing in excess of $500,000,000. How can YOU expect Obama to run the country?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1
Obama gave the people in Illinois broken down housing and dangerous living conditions. Where did the money go? What pockets were filled with tax payers’
money from Washington, D.C.? We know where Governor Sarah Palin’s tax money is. The tax money is in the pockets of the residents of Alaska.
Sarah Palin is four times the better candidate when comparing to Obama. Obama who could not even run a housing project in Illinois. He will never be able to run a country that has a lot more houses.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1
No to Obama……..BOOOOOO to Obama

“Biden LIED about the role of the Vice President in the constitution during the debate.
Funny ABCNEWS never mentioned that? Wonder why.
ExDemocrat.”
Democrat for McCain,
Please cite your source, OR YOU ARE A LIAR.

The same Joe Biden said he would be honored to run on the ticket with John McCain because, quote, “the country would be better off.” And here we have some common ground. I want a president who spent 22 years in uniform defending our country. I want a president who isn’t afraid to use the word “victory” when he talks about the wars we are fighting. I want a president who’s ready on Day One. I want a president with the experience and the judgment and the wisdom to meet the next international crisis – or better yet to avoid it. I want John McCain as our commander-in-chief.

reddog,
either you are wrong, or you are arguring a different point.
“Your own words leave room for what a vp does or does not do “usually” They have the power to “preside” over the senate while most choose not to they do have the power to”
If by presides, you mean “sits in the room and watches the senators vote”, then you are correct.
If by presides, you mean “argues points and tries to sway the opinion of the senators” then you are wrong.
Posted by: TIM | Oct 22, 2008 9:01:24 AM
Main Entry: pre·side
Pronunciation: \pri-ˈzīd\
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): pre·sid·ed; pre·sid·ing
Etymology: Latin praesidēre to guard, preside over, from prae- + sedēre to sit — more at sit
Date: 1608
1: to exercise guidance, direction, or control
2 a: to occupy the place of authority : act as president, chairman, or moderator b: to occupy a position similar to that of a president or chairman
3: to occupy a position of featured instrumental performer —usually used with at

Black jack ,your comments are not worth a spit in a bucket

This isn’t the second time this woman has made this claim, but THE FOURTH! She’s really a slow learner. YIKES!

Democrat for McCain: “Could it be that maybe things are working in Iraq”
They damn well better be, with us paying for their health care, defense, internal security, roads. Basically everything is on our dime. And the major issue being us supplying them with 150,000 of our best and brightest to be abused and murdered – more than before the surge.
Yeah, lets get into Iraq and how we’d have thousands of more living, productive, energetic sons and daughters still alive if the Republican’s had fed them into a meat grinder for five years “staying the course” with Rumsfeld’s “small footprint…shock and awe” tactics and unqualified Republican hacks bumbling critical tasks (have you heard about the kid they sent over to establish the Iraqi stock exchange?!?!?!).
Iraq should be a vacation spot on par with Paris (a pretty low bar, actually) for safety and American friendliness by now for the enormous cost in blood the Republicans have spent bumbling on it.

Obama said he had visited all 57 states.
He will make a great president that doesn’t know how many states are in America.

Blackjack – 50 states and 7 territories GET OVER IT. HE made a gaffe oops. Better he make that kind of gaffe than Palin blowing Atlanta off the map in her zeal to attack the Russians.

Well, if she said that to a 7 year old perhaps she didn’t get into the nitty gritty details of the presidents role because for god sake she was talking to a & YEAR OLD CHILD! I can’t believe the media idiots who would actually post this as if Palin really doesn’t know by now what the VP does..

It is stunning just how ignorant Palin is. God help us all if she were to become President. She is even dumber than W, if that is possible.

As an O’Bama backer, and one who bristles at most everything that comes out of Sarah Palin’s mouth, she got reasonably close here. I think that she get’s a pass on this one.

Considering the huge amount of resources dedicated by the likes of ABC, NY Times, CNN, etc to destroying Gov Palin it should give Americans great comfort that they are reporting on trivial things like expense reports. If she was really the big bad wolf don’t you think we’d know by now?
Obama’s running mate guarantees an international cris as a “test of mettle” from a laundry list of places and ABC News top story is Gov Palin’s outfits. It’s almost too easy. Please people wake up.
On with the personal attacks on the Governer….

Obama said he had visited all 57 states.
He will make a great president that doesn’t know how many states are in America.
Posted by: BlackJack | Oct 22, 2008 9:09:47 AM
I can see that mistake because of the grueling primary and the schedules they were keeping. She’s been on the campaign trail barely two months there is no excuse. What magazines does she read. Simple question and the twit couldn’t answer it.

So, for everyone saying that the Constitution provides for no other role than voting in a tie, etc, is it your position that the V-P is constitutionally barred from lobbying members of Congress for the President’s agenda. Do you actually think that Palin meant that she is going to show up at the Judiciary Committee’s first meeting and demand a vote? Come on, she’s talking about lobbying for the President’s agenda. Can anyone seriously think that the Constitution keeps her from doing that?

oh ABC, how you forget that Obama said there were 60 States in the U.S. This is much more of problem. Then again, no one can even prove Obama is a natural born citizen. . .
Thanks to the media this year, we will ignore the U.S Constitution’s standards because of a cult following behind a man who speaks well. We will also get to see many job losses because of his anti free-trade policies, and his hatred of success by businesses in America.

Vice Presidents have only a few statutory duties. Since 1949 they have served on the National Security Council, and they are on the Board of Regents of the Smithson-ian Institution (which operates various museums in the capital). They name five cadets to the U.S. Military Academy, U.S. Naval Academy, and Air Force Academy. They appoint senators to various independent commissions, including the Migratory Bird Conservation Commission, the Harry S. Truman Scholarship Foundation, and the Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations.
Vice Presidents are usually assigned by the President to chair various commissions. They generally chair the Space Council; other commissions deal with nondiscriminatory practices in government contracts and efforts at deregulating the economy. They usually serve as the White House liaison with the National Governors Association and the U.S. Conference of Mayors. The Vice President participates in cabinet meetings, a custom established by Warren Harding. Since Eisenhower’s time, Vice Presidents have presided over cabinet meetings in the absence of the President; Richard Nixon chaired 20 such meetings during Elsenhower’s illnesses and trips.

jhw539:
Then, that which Sarah Palin speaks is also not important. So get over it.

oh ABC, how you forget that Obama said there were 60 States in the U.S. This is much more of problem. Then again, no one can even prove Obama is a natural born citizen. . .
Thanks to the media this year, we will ignore the U.S Constitution’s standards because of a cult following behind a man who speaks well. We will also get to see many job losses because of his anti free-trade policies, and his hatred of success by businesses in America.
Posted by: erica | Oct 22, 2008 9:20:18 AM
At least if you are going to lie, get the lie straight. He did not say 60.
Your REPUBLICAN President has already trashed the Constitution and it will be up to the DEMOCRATS and OBAMA to restore that. GO back to Fox and spout your nonsense there.

Jwench
Can you point me to where in the Constitution it says spread the wealth oh thats right it was robin hoods Constitution steal fronm the rich and give to the lazy or was that poor?

This is what I mean when I say Palin doesn’t know ANYTHING! They don’t run the senate or make policy.. they simply break a tie if one does occur… do you really feel she should be our VP if she doesn’t know what the job is for?

Has Palin ever been in Capital, even for a visit? Does she know what Senators do? With her journalism degree, would she even understand the verbage in the laws that she would be reading to coerse “policy changes”?
I can understand she was only speaking to third graders so, giving her the benefit of the doubt, she may have been over-simplifying the position.
That still does not mean she is qualified to be in that position. Four years ago, she wanted to be a news anchor, and now people may actually vote her in to the second highest position in the country. That is scary.

Blackjack: “We know where Governor Sarah Palin’s tax money is. The tax money is in the pockets of the residents of Alaska.”
And our tax money – Alaska takes $1.80 from the feds for every $1 it pays in federal taxes. And residents don’t pay taxes – Governor Palin spreads the wealth from the oil companies and sends each and every resident a check annually. Is that welfare, socialism, or both? There is no question that Alaska, with it’s clear spread the wealth policy and unearned annual payouts (even to people with zero earned income!), is the most socialist state in America by a large margin.

jhw539 – I would agree with you. While I read the article as well, I would have to ask the following:
Isn’t it the responsibility of the Mayor and the Police Chief to help keep order in the community? While the Senator may assist in lower taxes to help developers build homes, the safety of the residents would actually fall to local city agencies.
I don’t understand how they are trying to tie that to Obama.

reddog0216 – Taxes are for the purpose of spreading the wealth. We all pitch in to receive services like the police and fire departments. Those that make more, pay more. That is part of the fundamentals of the tax laws.

The reason why Biden’s gaffes aren’t covered is the same reason why McCain’s sordid past isn’t mentioned. The media focuses on Obama and Palin, they get the good AND the bad. So stop your bitching about media bias and go watch faux news to sate your contrived imbalance.

Tim, you proved my point perfectly. Consider yourself successfully dumbed down by the media. Americans on both sides have similar values, democrats move towards socialism and stomping out individualism will not get us there.
MEDIA AGENDA:
- DUMB DOWN AMERICANS (already done)
- Right wing BAD. Left wing GOOD!!!(because libs have good ideas, and repubs have awful ones)
- Republicans stupid, yet sinister!!!(truth hurts)
- Bury bad stories about democrats!(bad stories are what you say, bad. And 95% of the time they are not true)
- No news but bad news from Iraq!(What is good about people dieing everyday?)
- Tell the world how bad America is!(The world is telling america how bad it is, some people refuse to listen)
- Villify all opponents’ views!(Mccains stragedy, don’t take away his only plan.)

reddog0216 – Taxes are for the purpose of spreading the wealth. We all pitch in to receive services like the police and fire departments. Those that make more, pay more. That is part of the fundamentals of the tax laws.
Posted by: mybrainreallyhurts | Oct 22, 2008 9:35:15 AM
Excatly not to hand out money for non-educated not motivated people.Get a job get a education and do for yourself

jhw539 Your computer lies
CHICAGO – The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who can’t afford to live anywhere else.
But it’s not safe to live here.
About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale – a score so bad the buildings now face demolition.
Grove Parc has become a symbol for some in Chicago of the broader failures of giving public subsidies to private companies to build and manage affordable housing – an approach strongly backed by Obama as the best replacement for public housing.
As a state senator, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee coauthored an Illinois law creating a new pool of tax credits for developers. As a US senator, he pressed for increased federal subsidies. And as a presidential candidate, he has campaigned on a promise to create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that could give developers an estimated $500 million a year.
But a Globe review found that thousands of apartments across Chicago that had been built with local, state, and federal subsidies – including several hundred in Obama’s former district – deteriorated so completely that they were no longer habitable.
Grove Parc and several other prominent failures were developed and managed by Obama’s close friends and political supporters. Those people profited from the subsidies even as many of Obama’s constituents suffered. Tenants lost their homes; surrounding neighborhoods were blighted.
Some of the residents of Grove Parc say they are angry that Obama did not notice their plight. The development straddles the boundary of Obama’s state Senate district. Many of the tenants have been his constituents for more than a decade.
“No one should have to live like this, and no one did anything about it,” said Cynthia Ashley, who has lived at Grove Parc since 1994.
Obama’s campaign, in a written response to Globe questions, affirmed the candidate’s support of public-private partnerships as an alternative to public housing, saying that Obama has “consistently fought to make livable, affordable housing in mixed-income neighborhoods available to all.”
The campaign did not respond to questions about whether Obama was aware of the problems with buildings in his district during his time as a state senator, nor did it comment on the roles played by people connected to the senator.
Campaign finance records show that six prominent developers – including Jarrett, Davis, and Rezko – collectively contributed more than $175,000 to Obama’s campaigns over the last decade and raised hundreds of thousands more from other donors. Rezko alone raised at least $200,000, by Obama’s own accounting.
One of those contributors, Cecil Butler, controlled Lawndale Restoration, the largest subsidized complex in Chicago, which was seized by the government in 2006 after city inspectors found more than 1,800 code violations.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1
It is all there if you want to see it.

Your REPUBLICAN President has already trashed the Constitution and it will be up to the DEMOCRATS and OBAMA to restore that. GO back to Fox and spout your nonsense there.
Posted by: Jwench | Oct 22, 2008 9:24:26 AM
This is such a great example of what to expect if the Dems get this. Do not express your opinion and expect to be rebutted with any sense of respect for it be prepared to be judged by our rule (so we can do the same things and get away with it), Now friends and neighbors how fun will this be if the Barrack Hussein Obama gets this election? And by the way on the “McCain wants to give companies tax breaks but not middle class America” I am lower income class America and even I know that taxing of companies means the taxes are passed to the consumer meaning if they are reduced (the taxes that is) the price you pay to put food on the table and heat your home goes down. Giving me a reason to want this ticket to win. You Dems are already trying to get felons to vote and the ACORN mess oh man whos friend is Barrack on that one? Does he know this group or not, do they live in his neighborhood? If Republicans or conservatives were anywhere near this you all would be carrying flaming torches right now and calling for McCain’s head (please remember he already put his life in danger for this country) on a platter. So please remember the dual standard has already been established in this campaign and consider who gets the easier side of that standard.

For anyone whom are trying to comment on the Constitution of the United State that have not read it yet…Here is what it states; “The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.”

I did not say it does.It simply says the right to pursue happiness not hand out happiness I cant wait to be France Obama will put this country in the toilet but then all the slackers would be able to get there share.
Posted by: reddog0216
France is rated number one – Healthcare Quality Index (World Health Organization)
Shouldn’t the USA, one of the wealthiest countries, a superpower, be number one? Don’t we have the best technology? Don’t we have enough money so that everyone in the country can at least have free health care?
And before you get your panties in a bunch, remember that England, France, and Sweden are all free countries that have free health care.

As usual, Palin who some say is so qualified (huh) and intelligent (huh) can’t answer a 3rd graders question.
Preside over and in charge of are two different things, and can be explained to a third grader. Then maybe he can explain it to Palin.
I think part of it is, she is power hungry. You should be able to understand that from her role as mayor and govenor. Here I am!!!Aren’t we lucky.
The media is not out to get Palin. Why shouldn’t she be questioned, she’s a relative unknown and supposedly well qualifed for this position. Why can’t she be asked about foreign policy, economy and energy? All the other candidates are asked these questions, why should she be exempt? People say Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric were so hard on her, why? Shouldn’t she be asked these questions, as she could be stepping into pres. if something happens to McCain? There should be no problem with this.
When at a rally why isn’t she talking about the issues instead of slamming Obama and Biden? How does she know foreign policy, and economy? She left may with the town in debt for 22 million.

skizim – I may agree with you, but did you see my post above?

neil – and Governor Palin is married to a successionist.
Those that live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.

Doh…
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/081022/world/al_qaida_us_election

MEDIA BIAS! NITPICKING! What a bunch of hypocritical whiners. Have you guys ever heard of separation of powers? VP’s don’t get in there and make policy changes if they want, as she stated. They break ties and preside over procedural matters. Look it up.
It is absolutely a relevant news story that she doesn’t know anything about the position for which she’s running. She’s just making stuff up as she goes along and that’s painfully obvious to everyone but her fawning fan base. Wake up!

Excatly not to hand out money for non-educated not motivated people.Get a job get a education and do for yourself
Posted by: reddog0216
Didn’t you just describe welfare? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_(financial_aid)

She stated quite clearly that the V.P. is a part of the Executive. I wonder what Cheny thinks about this? Given that he’s been arguing that his e-mails are not covered under the same laws as the Presidents, due to the fact that he is a part of the Legislative.

reddog0216 – huh? How to tax increases on the wealthy promote laziness? I dont follow your reasoning.

The crazy thing is that the Republican party chose George Bush over McCain in 2000… If his own party didn’t chose him over Bush which means they didn’t have confidence in McCain, then why should the American people? All the smearing has turned me off to the Republican party and they should concentrate on what will help Americans, not destroy them. Doesn’t McCain think he should change his tax plan? Its the same as Bush and Bush doesn’t have a good approval rating. It just blows my mind of the incompetence level of the GOP.

@mybrainreallyhurts-
Just read your post. Yes, I’m sure that Palin has no idea what a Senator does…do you honestly believe that she doesn’t know such things?
She is not the best person for the VP job, clearly. I would actually like a VP more to the tune of Al Gore or Evan Bayh.
But as long as we’re talking about the best person for a job, how about the role of President? Try to look at it rationally/objectively, do you honestly believe that Obama is our BEST choice for a president, out of all the possible choices we could have made?
What are the man’s REAL qualifications? And the manipulation by the media of the election is SO blatantly obvious…
Now *THAT* is what scares me.

Sarah Palin can’t blame anyone for the way she answers questions.. you can see she’s struggling…

Jwench,
First off that is what he is proposing just like the rest of the democratic agenda It has nothing to do with hannity or rush or anyone of those, you think handouts are good they are not they promote laziness.Helping corporations is how jobs are created Obama wants to cut up the pie McCain wants to grow the pie
Posted by: reddog0216 | Oct 22, 2008 9:55:03 AM
He is not giving handouts. Please research what his plans are and not the right wing side of things. This trickle down nonsense has never worked. It’s time we try something else.

The Constitution provides that each house of Congress makes its own rules. Thus, the Senate itself would define the role or duties of the President of the Senate. I have not read the rules, but assume they do not provide much authority.

The vice president IS in charge of the senate. This article is a joke.

How often does “best choice” want to run for president or make it past the mudslinging and media scrutiny of the primaries? What emotionally and socially normal person would want that? IMHO we’ve been stuck voting for the best choice (out of no best choice options) for a long time.
I wanted Hillary (still not a best choice, but a better one).
McCain has destroyed his credibility and Palin has made him unvotable.
Obama has energy and vision and Biden has expereince. There you go! Obama ’08

Well Didnt it take her 6 years and 4 Colleges to get a Degree? Not knowing the United States Constitution is Quite bad when your stepping up to the second highest Job of the Land, Mccain What were you thinking My Friend?

John Adams tried to “preside” over the first Senate and he was laughed back up to the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.
First off, they won’t win. But something in me would love to see her try to bully U.S. Senators like she’s bullied the Alaskans who stood in the way of her agenda and political advancement.

reddog0216 – huh? How to tax increases on the wealthy promote laziness? I dont follow your reasoning.
Posted by: mybrainreallyhurts
Okay it is simple you think giving people more makes them strive more.I have very little formal education I am 39 years old I have worked from the time I was 17 60+ hours a week I was told my entire life if you want something work hard for it.I own my own home own my own buissness.People are either this way or they are not you cant make someone work hard unless it is out of need to survive.I have no problem helping someone but they should have the desire to be helped not handed.
This country is going in the toilet because there are so many people belive they have right to be handed something.I am sorry I do not believe that you want something work for it go to school better yourself dont lower the standards.Do you have any idea why immigrants come to this country legal or otherwise opportunity we have plenty of it.

To My Brain Realy Hurts, Nice description of yourself, I guess your brain is truly lacking. First of all, the word is secessionist, not the word that you composed. Secondly, investigate what you state vs. the blatant, incessant anti-American rhetoric of the Rev. Wright and Billy Ayers, among others of a similar ilk. Blatant, hate-filled statements and actions are their contributions to this society.

skizim – Is Obama the best candidate for the job? I am sure there are other Americans that are more qualified.
However, when it comes to an objective look at Obama vs. McCain, I would have to select Obama.
I haven’t fallen for the right wing lies and smears. I actually looked up the facts for myself. I did research on both candidates.
I do not like McCain’s policies or plans for our future. His plan for the mortgage crisis is just as much socialism as Obama’s plan for healthcare. Although the taxpayers would have to foot the bill for the mortgage companies losses. (= higher taxes down the road)
I do not like McCain’s healthcare plan. I think it will have disasterous results. I have read many articles from the health care community that believe his plan would be difficult to administer and would actually force business to cut health care benefits, not provide more to their workers.
I do not like McCain’s choice for a running mate. I still had an open mind until he made this mistake. I am all for a woman in the White House, just not this woman. She is an embarrassment on many levels and she is definitely not qualified to be President should anything happen to Senator McCain.
I do not like McCain’s ideas for our economy. Obviously, the trickle down theory hasn’t worked well at all. If you don’t believe me, look up how much money CEO’s are making these days. The reasonable ratio of executive pay to the average worker should be about 20:1. (J.P. Morgan) In the US it is…531:1 – Japan 10:1 – Germany 11:1 – Britain 25:1. The closest country is Brazil at 57:1. Trickle down does not work in a greedy Capitalist system. By the way, McCain condemned greed, and then voted for tax breaks for the wealthy and big business.
I also want to bring the young men and women that serve our country home. We have done as much as we can for that country. There will be no “win”. Neither country will “win”. Terrorism has spread because of that war, it didn’t minimize it. Al-Queda needs to be destroyed in Afghanistan and then we need to bring everyone home to their families. We need to rebuild, refresh, and reenergize our military.
And don’t even get me started on how the two ran their campaigns. One talked about solutions while the other changed his slogans to match the other. One used smears while one provided answers.
So yes, I have looked objectively at the two candidates. In my opinion one stands above the other. Is Obama the best pick? Maybe not. Is he the best pick of the two? In my opinion, yes.

The problem is she explained it for a second grader and most people criticizing her are not at that level. I suggest you read or re-read article 1, section 3, Clause 4.
“In this case, the Vice President’s ability to preside over the deliberations of the Senate AND (more importantly) break tie votes, presumably in favor of the presidential administration’s preferences, allows the Executive Branch to influence the behavior of the Senate (and, consequently, Congress).”
Or just keep pounding your VP’s message with the four letter word J-O-B-S.
Or his horrific helicopter landing in Afghanistan under enemy fire.

In strictly speaking, any real or hypothetical state organized along the principles of socialism may be called a socialist state. Furthermore, since socialism purports to represent the interests of the working class, many socialists refer to a state organized according to their principles as a workers’ state.
According to Marxism, socialism is a stage of social and economic development that will replace capitalism, and will in turn be replaced by communism. Thus, in Marxist terms, a socialist state is a state that has abolished capitalism and is moving towards communism.

reddog0216 – I understand now and I completely agree with your philosophy. I have worked hard for everything I have received as well
Which Obama plan are you referring to? Free medical care?

It is sad how many republicants can’t think for themselves. It is interesting to contemplate if they actually believe all the things they say or if it is just to make them feel better. It says a lot about a person when they can’t think for themselves and need others to think for them. Talk about Cuba, killing, Marxism, and all the denial. It is a good thing that these people will be out of power and have to sit back and just deal with it. What would you people do without your talking points? You would be lost!

Senator McCain and Sarah Palin continue to spin words trying to belittle and ruin Senators Obama and Biden. When Biden spoke about crises on Senator Obamas first day, he meant ANY president on the first day will be facing major issues, not the fact that Obama will be creating them. The republicans are spinning that phrase.
In comparison, Sarah Palins EXACT words are cause for alarm. She doesn’t even know what the vice presidents role in government is, and yet people are willing to vote her one possible death away from the presidency. Isn’t it time for Senator Obamas campaign to take off the gloves and finally quit being soft toward Palin. I don’t care if she is a woman, if she’s running for the second highest office in our country she needs to be ready (male or female) for anything that is placed before her. She’s no where near that, and that’s very scary. We aren’t playing trick or treat here.

Robin – sorry to tell you but what Sarah Palin did in Alaska is not socialism. Socialism pits one class against another with the theory that the wealth is concentrated in the hands of few and should be spread around to many.
Sarah Palin gave this refund to all citizens regardless of socio-economic class. Nice try though.
By the way Sarah Palin is currently the most media accessible candidate among the 4 in the race – check the ABC news homepage.

Robin – from ABC News homepage.
In short order, Governor Sarah Palin has gone from toughest get to most-accessible of the four members of the two tickets…interviews and brief q-and-a sessions with reporters are almost common now….
Oh and spare me the BO talking points about the Bridge to Nowhere and the 27M deficit in Wasilla that was a result of a sports stadium that the citizens of Wasilla voted for.

Has everyone forgot about checks and balances? Remember seperation of powers?
If she is suggesting she would actively lobby senators for support of bills sponsored by McCain’s administration, well that is one thing (and completely acceptable) but, unless I am hearing her wrong, she is suggesting as president of the senate she would decide what bills get voted on, who gets to speak, etc. Defiantely not what I was taught in 3rd grade what the VP does. This rehtoric is a dangerous leap into unitary executive thinking and threatens the very idea of american democracy.

Some people here are relying on vagueness, no matter how authoritatively they seem to be speaking. If the VP has some sort of power over the Senate, besides the tie-breaking vote, please just state what it is. Biden has influence, for being a respected and high-ranking and longstanding member there. But Palin?

She has been asked 4 times the same question and gotten it wrong every time. This is not a one time mistake. I hate when the right treats it as Bias. Do you think Laura Ingram if picked as VP would have trouble with these questions? What newspapers you read? Supreme court cases etc? She would be on point. I disagree with her but she is bright and informed.
Don’t let political leaning blind you-Palin is not ready for big stage period.
Thank Dennis

Progessive income tax rates are entirely fair. All fair countries have them. People should not pay taxes on income they need for basic survival. People who are merely paying their bills do not have “income” in any real sense. People fortunate engouh like Joe the Plumber, pulling in $250 grand a year, can afford the extra 3%. Somebody has to pay, and putting the burden equally on everyone, regardless of how well off they are, is stingy. I don’t make $250 grand a year, and realistically there is about a 1% chance that I ever will, but if I did get there, I wouldn’t mind the extra 3%. Like Obama said, all the Joe’s working their way up to that point benefit. He was right on.

She isn’t qualified to teach civics, much less be VP!

Socialism yea you mean like the Government taking over all bad real estate loans
OOOPS THAT IS A MCCAIN IDEA
My mistake

When are you idiots (96% of all Americans) going to stop watching TV, learn the constitution, and take your country back?

Socialism yea you mean like the Government taking over all bad real estate loans
WAIT THAT IS A MCCAIN IDEA
My mistake

Progessive income tax rates are entirely fair. All fair countries have them. People should not pay taxes on income they need for basic survival. People who are merely paying their bills do not have “income” in any real sense. People fortunate engouh like Joe the Plumber, pulling in $250 grand a year, can afford the extra 3%. Somebody has to pay, and putting the burden equally on everyone, regardless of how well off they are, is stingy. I don’t make $250 grand a year, and realistically there is about a 1% chance that I ever will, but if I did get there, I wouldn’t mind the extra 3%. Like Obama said, all the Joe’s working their way up to that point benefit. He was right on.
Posted by: frank burns | Oct 22, 2008 10:51:07 AM
** Exactly Frank.. just shows me how GREEDY some people are. They’d rather America suffer instead of doing whats right. Furthermore, if the people owned businesses, they would see more profit because when people can afford to go out and buy their products. So its a win win situation. Those fools out here who are crying these sad tears don’t bother me. It doesn’t bother me if they take more taxes out of people who make 250000 a year and if I made that a year I wouldn’t mind the new tax system Obama is proposing..

OBAMA – Admitted:
1. I was born in Kenya.
2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.
6. My mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.
8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
10. I was not born in Hawaii.
11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii.
12. I was not born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.
13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii.
14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.
15. I never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain my U.S. Citizenship status.
16. I am not a “natural born” United States citizen.
17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961.
18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends.
19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan.
20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens.
21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country.
22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan.
23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan.
24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a “natural born” United States Citizen.
25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage.
26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine.
33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed.
34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed.
35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia.
36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.
38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.
39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya.
40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law.
41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth.
42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.
43. I am not a “Naturalized” United States Citizen.
44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means.
45. I cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii.
46. My “vault” (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.
47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses.
48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
49. Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama.
52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.
53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro.
54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law.
55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office.
56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/38-press-release-obama-a-dnc-admit-all-allegations-in-berg-v-obama

GOD HELP US!!!! I am a FORMER republican and have not only witnessed the downfall of Senator MCCain but our party. Mrs. Palin if you watched on MSNBC last night has stated WRONG 4 times what she as Vice-President is suppose to do. SOMEONE ANYONE help this poor pathetic exscuse of a vice president nominee. I for one will be voting for the first time for a democrat I only wish McCain had taken more time to check credencials before beliving that any women would win him the presidency.

Posted by: BlackJack | Oct 22, 2008 10:59:29 AM
** Everything you put in here is a lie! How can he be born in Kenya when his mother and father were students at a university in Hawaii?? Thats how they met.. I’m so concerned that Republicans havent learned boldly lying to the American people is not working.. they need to switch their style because when you are behind in the polls and still slipping.. its time to switch it up

On the other hand, Governor Palin’s lack of clarity about the extent of the VP’s role in the Senate and her apparent embrace of Cheney’s expansive view of vice-presidential power are potentially dangerous. Her misconceptions might portend more brinksmanship in the tug-of-war between Congress and the Executive.
** Exactly.. we don’t need another Cheney.. and Mccain’s sold his soul for his party.. sad shame McCain’s lame

To Barack Hussein Obama,
The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4, 2008, that proved you had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than what you previously admitted. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.
The Chicago Sun reported on May 8, 2008, that FBI records showed that you had a significantly closer relationship with Tony Rezko than what you previously admitted. In the interview, you said that you only saw Mr. Rezko a couple of times a year. The FBI files showed that you saw him weekly. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.
Your speech in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008, about “race” contradicted your statement to Anderson Cooper on March 14 when you said that you never heard Reverend Wright make his negative statements about white America . While your attendance at Trinity Church for 20 years is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on March 14.
In your 1st debate with John McCain, you said that you never said that you would meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea without “preparations” at lower levels … Joe Biden repeated your words in his debate with Sarah Palin … while the video tape from your debate last February clearly shows that you answered “I would” to the question of meeting with those leaders within 12 months without “any” preconditions. While your judgement about meeting with enemies of the USA without pre-conditions is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America in the debate with McCain.
On July 14, 2008, you said that you always knew that the surge would work while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you stated that the surge would not work. While your judgment about military strategy as a potential commander-in-chief is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on July 14.
You now claim that your reason for voting against funding for the troops was because the bill did not include a time line for withdrawal, while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you voted against additional funding because you wanted our troops to be removed immediately … not in 16 months after the 2008 election as you now claim. While your judgment about removing our troops unilaterally in 2007 is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about your previous position.
You claim to have a record of working with Republicans while the record shows that the only bill that you sponsored with a Republican was with Chuck Lugar … and it failed. The record shows that you vote 97% in concert with the Democrat party and that you have the most liberal voting record in the Senate. You joined Republicans only 13% of the time in your votes and those 13% were only after agreement from the Democrat party. While it is of concern that you fail to include conservatives in your actions and that you are such a liberal, the greater concern is that you distorted the truth.
In the primary debates of last February, 2008, you claimed to have talked with a “Captain” of a platoon in Afghanistan “the other day” when in fact you had a discussion in 2003 with a Lieutenant who had just been deployed to Afghanistan . You lied in that debate.
In your debates last spring, you claimed to have been a “professor of Constitutional law” when in fact you have never been a professor of Constitutional law. In this last debate, you were careful to say that you “taught a law class” and never mentioned being a “professor of Constitutional law.” You lied last spring.
You and Joe Biden both claimed that John McCain voted against additional funding for our troops when the actual records show the opposite. You distorted the truth.
You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted against funding for alternate energy sources 20 times when the record shows that John McCain specifically voted against funding for bio fuels, especially corn … and he was right …. corn is too expensive at producing ethanol, and using corn to make ethanol increased the price of corn from $2 a bushel to $6 a bushel for food. You distorted the truth.
You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted like both of you for a tax increase on those making as little as $42,000 per year while the voting record clearly shows that John McCain did not vote as you and Joe Biden. You lied to America .
You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time when you know that Democrats also vote 90% of the time with the President (including Joe Biden) because the vast majority of the votes are procedural. You are one of the few who has not voted 90% of the time with the president because you have been missing from the Senate since the day you got elected. While your absence from your job in the Senate is of concern, the greater concern is that you spin the facts.
You did not take an active role in the rescue plan. You claimed that the Senate did not need you while the real reason that you abstained was because of your close relationships with the executives of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Countrywide, and Acorn … who all helped cause the financial problems of today … and they all made major contributions to your campaign. While your relationship with these executives and your protection of them for your brief 3 years in the Senate (along with Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd) is of concern, the greater concern is that you are being deceitful.
You forgot to mention that you personally represented Tony Rezko and Acorn. Tony Rezko, an Arab and close friend to you, was convicted of fraud in Chicago real estate transactions that bilked millions of tax dollars from the Illinois government for renovation projects that you sponsored as a state senator … and Acorn has been convicted of voter fraud, real estate sub prime loan intimidation, and illegal campaign contributions. Tony Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to your political campaigns. You personally used your political positions to steer money to both Tony Rezko and Acorn and you used Acorn to register thousands of phony voters for Democrats and you. While your relationships with Rezko and Acorn are of concern, the greater concern is that you omitted important facts about your relationships with them to America .
During your campaign, you said: “typical white person.” “They cling to their guns and religion.” “They will say that I am black.” You played the race card. You tried to label any criticism about you as racist. You divide America .
You claim that you will reduce taxes for 95% of America , but you forgot to tell America that those reductions are after you remove the Bush tax reductions. You have requested close to $1 billion in earmarks and several million for Acorn. Your social programs will cost America $1 trillion per year and you claim that a reduction in military spending ($100 billion for Iraq ) can pay for it. While your economic plan of adding 30% to the size of our federal government is of concern, the greater concern is that you are deceiving America .
The drain to America ‘s economy by foreign supplied oil is $700 billion per year (5% of GDP) while the war in Iraq is $100 billion (less than 1% of GDP). You voted against any increases to oil exploration for the last 3 years and any expansion of nuclear facilities. Yet today, you say that you have always been for more oil and more nuclear. You are lying to America …
Mr. Obama, you claimed that you “changed” your mind about public financing for your campaign because of the money spent by Republican PACs in 2004. The truth is that the Democrat PACs in 2004, 2006, and 2008 spent twice as much as the Republican PACs (especially George Soros and MoveOn.org). You are lying to America .
Oh, Mr. Obama, Teddy Roosevelt said about a hundred years ago that we Americans should first look at the character of our leaders before anything else.
Your character looks horrible. While you make good speeches, motivating speeches, your character does not match your rhetoric. You talk the talk, but do not walk the walk.
1. You lied to America . You lied many times. You distorted facts. You parsed your answers like a lawyer.
2. You distorted the record of John McCain in your words and in your advertisements.
3. You had associations with some very bad people for your personal political gains and then lied about those associations.
4. You divide America about race and about class.
Now let me compare your record of lies, distortions, race baiting, and associations to John McCain: War hero. Annapolis graduate with “Country first.” Operational leadership experience like all 43 previously elected presidents of the USA as a Navy officer for 22 years. 26 years in the Senate. Straight talk. Maverick. 54% of the time participated on bills with Democrats. Never asked for an earmark. The only blemish on his record is his part in the Keating 5 debacle about 25 years ago.
Mr. Obama, at Harvard Law School, you learned that the end does not justify the means. You learned that perjury, false witness, dishonesty, distortion of truth are never tolerated. Yet, your dishonesty is overwhelming. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty that caused the impeachment and disbarment of Bill Clinton. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty of Scooter Libby. You should be ashamed.
Mr. Obama, it is time for us Americans to put aside our differences on political issues and vote against you because of your dishonest character. It is time for all of us Americans to put aside our political issues and vote for America first. It is time for America to vote for honesty.
Any people who vote for you after understanding that you are dishonest should be ashamed of themselves for making their personal political issues more important than character. Would these same people vote for the anti-Christ if the anti-Christ promised them riches? Would they make a golden calf while Moses was up the mountain? Would they hire someone for a job if that someone lied in an interview? Of course not. So why do some of these people justify their votes for you even though they know you are dishonest? Why do they excuse your dishonesty? Because some of these people are frightened about the future, the economy, and their financial security …. and you are preying on their fears with empty promises … and because some (especially our young people) are consumed by your wonderful style and promises for “change” like the Germans who voted for Adolf Hitler in 1932. The greed/envy by Germans in 1932 kept them from recognizing Hitler for who he was. They loved his style. Greed and envy are keeping many Americans from recognizing you … your style has camouflaged your dishonesty …. but many of us see you for who you really are … and we will not stop exposing who you are every day, forever if it is necessary.
Mr. Obama, you are dishonest. Anyone who votes for you is enabling dishonesty.
Mr. Obama , America cannot trust that you will put America first in your decisions about the future.
Mr. Obama, you are not the “change” that America deserves. We cannot trust you.
Mr. Obama, You are not ready and not fit to be commander-in-chief.
Mr. Obama, John McCain does not have as much money as your campaign to refute all of your false statements. And for whatever reasons, the mainstream media will not give adequate coverage or research about your lies, distortions, word parsing, bad associations, race baiting, lack of operational leadership experience, and generally dishonest character. The media is diverting our attention from your relationships and ignoring the fact that you lied about those relationships. The fact that you lied is much more important than the relationships themselves …. just like with Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon … Monica Lewinski and Watergate were not nearly as bad as the fact that those men lied about the events ….. false witness … perjury … your relationships and bad judgments are bad on their own …. but your lies are even worse.
Therefore, by copy of this memo, all who read this memo are asked to send it to everyone else in America before it is too late. We need to do the job that the media will not do. We need to expose your dishonesty so that every person in America understands who you really are before election day.
Mr. Obama, in a democracy, we get what we deserve. And God help America if we deserve you.
Michael Master
McLean, Virginia

Michael Master
McLean, Virginia
Posted by: micheal master | Oct 22, 2008 11:09:08 AM
** Too bad you’re not a part of real VA according to Sarah Palin so your comments dont count!

The people are ready for a change.. McLame and Failin keep offering the same thing.. If you are part of the 20% that think the country is going in the right direction.. then you would vote for them
I want change so I’ll be voting Obama in Nov!

I know it hurts but the Ayers attacks are not working so keep them coming.
While Palin’s poll numbers have gone down below Bush…
Now insanity is doing the same thing over again expecting a different result
The right keeps the same attacks and they don’t work GET IT
Powell has access to all files if Obama was any security risk don’t you think he would know it and not endorse him?
He worked under your man Bush didn’t he?
Case closed

This woman knows less of civics than the most recently naturalized citizen, and the Repugs think she is qualified as a potential president? Get real. Vote smart. Vote Obama.

Palin is hot but stupid how you can compare her to anyone on either ticket is beyond me.
So on the right you think she was a better choice then Romney etc
That was the best available?
If so that is sad

It is interesting to see how closely the press seems to scrutinize Sarah Palin while giving Biden, and Obama for that matter, a virtual pass on everything they say. Apparently, it must be more important to our economy and national security to investigate “Joe the Plummer” than it is to explore the relationship between Obama and the people he has aligned himself with in his adult years (i.e. Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, and ACORN to name a few). The issue isn’t “Joe the Plummer” it is the response that Obama gave his question. Many Americans are interested in the answer, not who asked it. I continue to be amazed at what the press chooses to investigate, and what they choose to ignore. Sarah Palin is not running for president but Obama is. If the press wants to ask the vice presidential candidate tough questions and scrutinize her responses, great! But when was the last time anyone in the press grilled Obama on his experience, his relationships, and why he is uniquely qualified as a 1-term senator to be president of the United States? And can someone please tell me how Obama’s tax plan to take from the wealthy and give to the rest will create one single job, or give anyone the incentive to better themselves?

Doug ,
Half a term senator if at that.

Article 1 encompasses/defines the Legislature.
The Legislature is comprised of both the House of Representatives and the Senate
Section 3 – Defines the Senate and the Vice President as a part of it; said V.P. being President of the Senate.
[The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.]
Therefore, the V.P. is part of the Legislature and is part of the Senate.
In answering the ? for a 3rd grader, it was a pretty decent answer.

This is exactly what happens when you get liberals teaching the Constitution, you just get a class full of clueless liberals.

Why is the GOP paying for Palin and her family to get clothes?

Eli M
Perhaps you didn’t realize that was Sarah Palin speaking. Last I checked, she was a clueless republican, not liberal. Nice try.

reddog0216 – Do you believe everything that Palin says? She has lied too many times and made too many executive decisions based on her personal whims, not based on what our party stands for.

Beth,
I would like to explain my comments but it would just glide over your head. Sorry, enjoy dreamland though!

Good…someone has to keep these raving Socialists in check.

Wait in couple of days lets see if the liberal press is going to report the conversation between Michelle Obama and the AIP. If not I am sure the liberal press will try to hide it. It is coming soon.

ABC is like the rest of the major networks…they have completely dictated their preference for Democrats and biased their reports of the news….hmm, what about giving front page attention to the latest gaffe(?) of Bite-My-Tongue Biden that promises Obama will be tested internationally within a few months? What about Obama’s statement about visiting ‘all 57 states – or was it 52?’ Everyone of these politicians could be made to look like idiots if that’s the goal of your news….Biden even know the role of the VP during the debate…do you mention that?…go back to the tapes.
Yet you spotlight only the Republican miscues…it’s tiresome….you’re supposed to be the objective ones….no wonder people are changing the TV channel…..sorry to say, I’m gone too…..you’re worse than Fox – conservative as they are, they at least give you the two sides.

Unbelievable! Palin makes a slip and it’s front page news. No mention of Biden talk in Seattle we should expect Obama to be tested in 6 months and calling for his base to accept what he will do even though they do not like what he will do. No wonder you ratings are down I watch the news to learn not be hit with partisan propaganda for Obama. Biden is in hiding and tell him to keep his mouth shut till after the election.

Eli M
Go ahead and explain away. If it glides past me, maybe someone else will understand.

This is Obama’s tax plan, He is wanting to do away with the Bush tax cut, so her we go middle class:
Let’s say you’re part of a married couple, filing jointly, with $60,000 in taxable income. In 2008, you would pay $8,198. If you have the same amount of taxable income after the Bush tax cuts are repealed, and tax rates return to 2000 levels, you’ll pay $11,100.
You get to be more patriotic in Joe Biden’s mind to the tune of $2,902, out of your pocket and into the government’s coffers. Gotta spread that wealth around, you know.
But don’t worry. Barack Obama says he won’t raise taxes on people making less than $250,000, and provide a tax cut for 95 percent of Americans. He promised

I shudder to think…

Wow .. okay .. so the analysis and argument of this has basically just turned into a partisan snipe-fest. The facts are this:
1. Gov. Palin does not fully understand what the Constitution states about the role of the Vice-President. In fact this is the 3rd time ( interview with Katie Couric, the VP debate and now with a group of 3rd graders) that she has displayed ignorance of the Constitutional role of the Vice-President. Please read: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section5
2. The Constitution IS NOT flexible in this matter counter to Gov. Palin’s statements.
From what I ( and many others) observe Gov. Palin shows absolutely no intellectual couriosity about the world which I find incredibly fightening and sad.

Beth,
You’re comment just produces more questions, how many liberals does it take to understand a point? Hmmmm

four times this Mrs. Palin has been wrong on what the Vice President does, pick up a book an read what the vp does Mrs. Palin or google. OMG im scared

This was not Palin’s fault – the 3rd grader is either a socialist, a communist, an elite or the mean mainstream media -
Please make her go home

when was the last time any of you have said something incorrect not because your stupid but because you were just mistaken we all slip up once in awhile give her a break just like I have giving Bitme and Osama the benefit even though I’m not voting for them

Ops sorry about the typo see we all mess up know and then

Actually Jenny, I’m not so sure. This is taken from the US Senate’s website:
“Under the original code of Senate rules, the presiding officer exercised great power over the conduct of the body’s proceedings. Rule XVI provided that “every question of order shall be decided by the President [of the Senate], without debate; but if there be a doubt in his mind, he may call for a sense of the Senate.” Thus, contrary to later practice, the presiding officer was the sole judge of proper procedure and his rulings could not be turned aside by the full Senate without his assent.”
I think it’s fairly evident that the VP can, if the individual so chooses, excercise a more direct role in the proceedings of the Senate. Recent VPs have chosen NOT to take a more direct role in the proceedings.

The media is so biased.
Pailin was answering question to 3rd grader. The answer is enough. Why should she say too much for the students not understand?

Sanjoy – Yeah it is pretty bad when both Katie Couric and a class of third graders get the best of you. Almost makes you feel sorry for her. Then she opens her mouth again.

Barry – Maybe a more accurate answer to the question would have been to preside over the Senate and if needed cast a tie breaking vote. Other than that I am supposed to sit back, be quiet, support the presidents agenda and hope he croaks. Thus why Hillary would not be a good VP choice.

This is affirmative action in its worst form one job available and two men wanting it which one do you think is going to be hired

Sarah Palin is a down and out idiot, an embarrassment to the feminine gender. She has bought on to the Republican hate machine and this time it will not work! You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time! It is time to get the bums out of the white house and not fill it with another Republican agenda, God help us all!!!!!

Some people seem to believe that a person earning $20K couldn’t possibly be working harder than someone earning over $250K.

You can wrangle over semantics on what “presides” means, but the simple truth is the VP’s role is that of a tie breaker in a vote. They can not put forward legislation, they can not schedule or alter the schedule for votes, they can not even address the chamber as to the pros or cons of pending legislation!

steve, I’ll tell you one thing. If McCain does win, it will not be because he is better qualified. It will be because of too many racists choosing the white candidate.

Richard how is Obama going to change things do you make more $250,000 a year if you do then i’ll give my address and you can send me a check because I only make $65,000 a year spread the wealth Richard YA I’m all for it

While her description wasn’t exactly spot on, it at least had a little more basis in reality than the stance the current Vice President has taken…you know, the guy who won’t be governed by Senate rules and ISN’T a part of the executive branch. At least she isn’t making the Vice President into a whole new branch of the government.

She wants full control everywhere so she can get her husband to use the VP office and pay his and her children’s personal travel costs using tax payer money.

All I want to know is when is Obama going to campaign for us in the 57th state? He’s prejudice to the citizens of the 57th state and I’m MAD!!

Hilary Clinton beat Obama on just about every point but look who got the nomination it could mean that the Dems don’t want a woman in charge or it could mean Obama won because of the black vote

Obama is the new Teflon President. Anything the republicans say does not stick!
President Obama! Get used to it!

Steve – that is why you cannot vote in Junior High.

the media keeps reporting on polls 58% to 42% for Obama thats out of 250 people that they polled let hope we have more than 250 people vote all it mean is that in the group they polled there were more Dems than Reps wants going to happen is they are going to fire up the Rep base with all this poll repoting and we’ll have more Reps come out and vote

Ha ha Eli. I have to admit that I still laugh about that comment today. Of course every one of the candidates has had slips of the tongue. The problem with Palin is that it is much more than that.

Obama is the new Teflon President. Anything the republicans say does not stick!
President Obama! Get used to it!

Have you seen Obama on TV telling the same story about when he went to a pie store to get some pie each time he tells it the story gets more stretched but what doesn’t change is the way he tells it, he say it in a way a black person from the south would say ‘sweet potato pie’ this is because he is appealing to the black part of the crowd and every time they eat it up, it’s just like when a black women gets angry and she start the whole head bobbin thing moving her hand around saying “OH NO YOU DIDN’T ” so don’t try and tell me that the Black vote isn’t a factor here, this man well say and do anything to get elected just like he keeps saying “ OUR TIME HAS COME “ what do you thing he means by that

OMG. Palin was speaking about a third grader. Third graders do not understand what preside means. Historically Palin was correct but putting it in terms that a third grade would understand was appropriate. Weird off the wall comments. What the hell is the matter with you people.

Obama is the new Teflon President. Anything the republicans say does not stick!
President Obama! Get used to it!

McCain has always shown the he will go up against his own party for the people that keep saying it will be Bush all over again your wrong in a election you need to be very careful what you do and if McCain came out and said he was not going to side with Bush then the rest of the Reps would not stand with him so lets wait and see if he wins then you’ll see what he is really all about the Obama supporters this includes the media are asking us to give him a chance and if he wins I will but if McCain win I’ll ask the same of them

Does noone actually read anymore?
E.g. the word ‘presides’ appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution. The word ‘God’ appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution.
Palin is clearly an empty suit, like Bush Jr., Cheney and most [re]publicans. Her answer TO AN ADULT of a question from third graders not even present was simply moronic and WRONG.
She is yet another example of someone who thinks they know, but who are too lazy to actually read the Constitution. IOW a typical religious zealot (e.g. fundatmentalist Muslims, Jews, Christians etc.) like the ones the founders warned us about and who smartly wrote into the Constitution “Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; …”.
For all you moronic Palin-defenders go to the below link and read/search The U.S. Constitution to your hearts content rather than listening to nonsense from those like Palin who just lie, it is not that hard.
“http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html”

John McCain how can I get my donation money back that I contributed to you. I did not contribute money for Sarah Palin and her families wardrobe. I would like a refund.

Independent realist.
You are clearly neither independent nor a realist.
Fortunately for us all the Democrats will once again clean up after [re]publican ‘welfare for the rich’ excesses of George Bush Jr. and Richard Cheney.

I bet if you had the chance to ask 90% of the Obama supporters about his policies they wouldn’t be able to tell you anything. All they ever say is “we need a change” what a bunch of ignorant people. If they really took the time to stop watching tv and read about this jerk they would finally see what he is all about. If he is put into office our country is going down fast. His tax plan is going to kill us all. You watch!!!!!! Wake up America it wasn’t George Bush who did this to America it was organizations like Acorn who did it. Why don’t all you complainers start praying for our leaders instead of complaining. Maybe it would be something new for you to try. Oh yeah, the media you all suck. You are disgusting and the lowest of lows. I can’t wait until you all get what is coming to you. and you will…. I can’t wait to see you all fall on your face. I used to watch abc for news never again. I found FOX at least they show both sides. You idiots in the mainstream media are part of the problems in this country. I hope you are taken to task and thrown out. Oh, I forgot for all of you who constantly compain move to another country. We are getting sick of you and the media.

NO there is no need to bash the rep party because of bush. but do you think mccain could the coutry and as for palin i think she is a nice person but not ready for VP. also when you said everyone is bashing the rep party what is mccain and palin trying to do to obama, they certainly want to give him a bad name, and they know its lies. every time they say something about obama we get to find they were also involved. mccain is talking about acorn now we see him on tv with the acorn people ha ha. today we now hear palin has spent so much of your money on clothes not only for her but her whole family, is this right.

I think it has to come if Obama wants to do everything that he is talking about. I mean, he has such a mega-plan out there to provide free this, free that, free everything else, universal healthcare, universal this. It all doesn’t come without a cost. Now, they’ll tell you that we can pay for all these things if we, (A), end the war in Iraq, which we all want to do, and (B), if we do away with the president’s tax cuts. Well, remember, that ’03 tax cuts, but remember, if we do away with one tax cut, on the one hand, that’s basically raising new taxes on the other hand.
So, yes, obviously, if Senator Obama becomes president, all of us have to be afraid, very much afraid that our taxes will be going up.

I believe Imtiyaz Delawala and Z. Byron Wolf are the ones who are unfamiliar with the U.S. Constitution. Simply because Vice Presidents traditionally do not exercise their right to preside over the U.S. Senate does not invalidate the right.
The convention that the Vice President not use his authority to influence the passage or failure of legislation by presiding over procedure in the Senate is just that: a convention. The Constitution actually carries force of law and thus overrules that convention.
In other words, Governor Palin is absolutely right in her assessment of the role of the Vice President (and, unlike Joe Biden, she manages to place it in the right Article of the Constitution).

oh for crap’s sake, people – chill out. Palin was talking to a class of third graders. this sort of political “analysis” is so pointless, and you wonder why people think the media is perversely liberal in its bias. why doesn’t anyone write an article about how Joe Biden thinks we need 3 words: “J-O-B-S” what in the world did he mean by saying that? Joe Biden must be STUPID. God help us if Joe Biden becomes Vice President. oh, and we ought to check his DNA to see if he’s actually a man because his policies are so feminine.

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/22/1579781.aspx

The id10t’s commenting on here are proof that we get the government we deserve.
keep after it, stumps

Ok, am I to understand that she was answering a question posed to her by a third grader? If so, then her answer of the VP being ‘in charge’ of the Senate was a more than valid response. Not many third graders would have a firm grasp of what ‘presiding over’ might mean. Again, I am really struck by the media bias and how quick they are to jump on the smallest gaff if committed by a Republican.
Makes me feel like a 4 letter word. SAD (tongue in cheek)

Does anyone really think that the question posed by the third grader wasn’t hand picked by the reporter for exactly this purpose. They didn’t like her answer in the debate regarding VP duties, so they attempted to get her to talk about it again so they could exploit her response. By the way, Biden got it wrong in the debate as well but no one seems to care about that. He sited Article 1 of the Constitution when in fact Article 2 deals with the VP issue. Biden stated that the only duty in the senate is to vote to break a tie and this is wrong also. The vice president is the president of the Senate, where he interprets the rules and can only be overridden by a vote of 60 senators. I wish the press would start doing its job.

US Constitution
Article I
Section 3
Paragraph 4
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided.
Every Senate debate or oral uttering of a Senator is usually preceded by “Mr. President, …”
The first change to protocols in the US Senate is that the proper oral speech on any subject shall begin with “Madam President, …”
This opens the door to changes in Senate rules. A simple majority may suffice.
What they can do is allow the President of the Senate to comment, or state views, or to simply talk Turkey about some Legislation being debated or some legislation they should work on.
There is nothing in the US Constitution that prevents this from happening.
Vice President Sarah Palin is unlike any Vice President ever to hopefully hold office in the next Administration: the first woman.

One news source quoted ‘runs’ and another quoted her saying ‘in charge of’ . Which is it?? This is news reporting at its finest!!? One of these days, the AP will no longer have an audience. Until then, I don’t care which party you belong to, just vote for the candidate that best represents your interests and ignore the rubbish that is streaming from popular news sources. ‘Presides over’ is probably a better term and yes the VP can get involved in legislation. Of course, school age children might not understand the word ‘presides’.

Any third-grader of average intelligence understands the concept of tie-breaking, so Gov. Palin is either ignorant of the Constitution, or as Machiavellian as Cheney.

What is it with the media? She correctly states she is in charge of the Senate to a 2nd grader and ABC aided by you guys are arguing about whether one who is “President” is “in charge of”. You should be worrying about the effects of her desire to make some changes if the Senate is closely matched… And Senator Liberman? how will he vote?

It really worries me how divided we have become as a country, Palin’s comment on the VP is correct, the VP is president of the Senate. How many people here who think she’s dumb actually bothered to look up the appropriate articles and make a decision for themselves? Before belittling her comments to a child maybe you should review the actual constitution and what she said. But has been the case this year everyone just differs to their party allegiances and makes accusations and insults. Fact: the VP casts the deciding vote in a tie, both on legislative and procedural matters. Fact the Vp’s retirement/ pension is based on being President of the Senate. Palin is interpreting the role of constitution correctly but her interpretation differs from previous choices /practices made by other VPs. We can debate the merits of that interpretation all we want-maybe an active involvement of the VP like Biden proposed is a good thing, maybe it is a distraction. Either way let’s have the facts straight before we jump to the rhetoric. If we as a nation can’t talk to each other we aren’t going to solve any of our problems.

second and last post. McCain and Palin will not give this country away like obbama wants too. and it is true we have had 8 bad years. but where did it start ? i will tell you , with natifa and bill cliton. , think about this on your way to vote.then make the correct choice.

Posted by: sean mcw | Oct 22, 2008 8:25:11 PM
dude, vp is not IN CHARGE of the senate… enough of this “I said this but I meant something else” campaign stuff!

Win or Lose there will be civil unrest after the elections. Obamabots will be out of control, one way or another. Be prepared, for the safety of your family.

She wouldn’t be the first moron elected mayor of a town or rising to lead a PTA. Surely out of over 300 million people to chose from, it is not unreasonable to want leaders who actually have a grasp of our basic governing documents. If her supporters are so worried about whether or not she can stand the media heat, they must be hysterical with worry about how well she stand up to real pressure, like warfare. Give me a break with the media bias and realize she was just a bad choice.

@Sean MCW
“It really worries me how divided we have become as a country, Palin’s comment on the VP is correct, the VP is president of the Senate.”
First and foremost: it’s McCain’s campaign which is focused on being divisive. Its tone is polarising, its focus is on personal smears, its statements misleading, and its set-up is unethical. When you get your followers to shout “kill him”, you have a responsibility, even if you backpedal.
And in this campaign Governor Palin has been launching the nastier comments, and they weren’t all scripted for her (“palling with terrorists”, “pro-american parts of the country” anyone?).
So much for “how divided we have become as a country”.
Now about “Palin’s comment on the VP is correct”. It is not. Yes, he formally “presides” it (but the senate carries on perfectly well if he’s absent and the VP doesn’t set the agenda), and gets to cast tie-breaker votes.
But apart from that, his role is purely formal, no matter how a VP chooses to interact with the senators. The VP is not “in charge” of the senate in any meaningful way.

I like your line of thinking. But it is apparant that you don’t understand that the VP does not live in the White House, so she wouldn’t have the keys.
Let’s use your logic to give them to Obamarama, who has the competence, iintellect and vast wordly knowledge to be entrusted with the keys.
Did you really imply that? what a doofus. You, sir, are an ignoramus. You are also a troll on the payroll of the obama campaign.
get a real job, douche.

I like your line of thinking. But it is apparant that you don’t understand that the VP does not live in the White House, so she wouldn’t have the keys.
Let’s use your logic to give them to Obamarama, who has the competence, iintellect and vast wordly knowledge to be entrusted with the keys.
Did you really imply that? what a doofus. You, sir, are an ignoramus. You are also a troll on the payroll of the obama campaign.
get a real job, douche.
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FYI…I never said anything about Obama in my mail. FYI…I’m an undecided, independent with a real job. You may want to tone down your name-calling…

I like your line of thinking. But it is apparant that you don’t understand that the VP does not live in the White House, so she wouldn’t have the keys.
Let’s use your logic to give them to Obamarama, who has the competence, iintellect and vast wordly knowledge to be entrusted with the keys.
Did you really imply that? what a doofus. You, sir, are an ignoramus. You are also a troll on the payroll of the obama campaign.
get a real job, douche.
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FYI…I never said anything about Obama in my mail. FYI…I’m an undecided, independent with a real job. You may want to tone down your name-calling…
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You may want to go pound sand, with no respect intended. I’m not trying to pursuade you to vote in one direction or another. I could give two shats what you do or when you do it. On the other hand, since you like to provide behavioral advice, Mr. Independent, you may want to go through your grease pencil checklist of id10t arguments and try to make a coherent argument about something. For an undecided independent, you sure sound like you have already made up your mind.
snort. We are doomed as a nation…

Hey American:
Breaking ties in the Senate is
policy making, Fool!
I can see by some of the posts here
that Obama/Biden have the Ignornant
Vote Locked Up!

Sarah Palin’s nomination is an affront to women everywhere. Too bad the second-grader didn’t correct her on her grasp of the Constitution. I used to have some respect for McCain, but choosing Palin shows him for who he is: irresponsible, easily manipulated, and supremely condescending to women.

McCain and Palin don’t decide her role as vice president, the United States’ Constitution does. Very clearly. And that’s why it is so frustrating to watch the cable news shows in which the republican talking-head–who have obviously been instructed to say that Palin was answering the question in a way a third grader can understand–are always answered with “she wasn’t talking to a third grader, she was talking to a reporter.” What if she was trying to talk in ‘plain-speak’ (the word these republican pundits have used over and over). What is so nuanced about breaking ties in the Senate and taking over if the President can no longer be President? It’s clear as day. Again, it’s in the Constitution and it’s not flexible as Tre up there asserts.

“The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.”
There’s a direct quote for tre and the rest of the people out there who are baffled by people’s outrage over this.

McCain is power would be erratic, impetuous and ideological – a real RISK and thats what Al Qaeda wants – thats why the website everyone’s talking about wants him there.
Palin has no idea what job she’s gunning for.
Together, they are a REAL RISK to america’s security.

The comments in this post are a case study in how little people know about how their government actually works, yet how readily they will repeat the talking points of whatever pundit they associate most closely with.
The VP has no constitutional responsibility other than casting tie breaking votes. The VP initially was rarely even of the President’s party. The VP position has been affected by several amendments. None of which have given it any more power, except possibly in clarifying it’s position in the line of ascension. The XII Amendment also states that, “and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;” and I doubt that the outgoing VP is the person intended for counting the votes for their replacement. V.P. Cheney has rarely been in the senate during his 8 years in office, he is not neglecting the scope of his position. He is recognizing the limitations of his authority. The fact that the V.P. goes regularly, or even daily to their office in the Senate is pure fallacy.

She does not know anything in Politics, Economy, or even Business. She knows about Hockey. VP does not require to have a Hockey experience!!!!

This is a really nice artical on Palin. Shows she knows more of the role of the VP than the “Dumb Ass” that has been in the Senate for the last 35 years. Palins remarks might have been a bit broader than she thinks, at least she does know that the Vice President is President of the Senate and presides over the Senate. Biden couldn’t even answer the question right, he made remarks about Cheney and then said he would be an Adviser to the President. Where the hell is that in the Constitution? These 2 guys are the best that the Liberals have out there? Are you kidding me really are you kidding me. Wake the F@#k America.

The bottom line is, three months ago she said, “I don’t even know what a Vice President does.” This is more telling than whether or not “presides over” is the same as “in charge of.” She is a danger to our country. She is ill-informed, cruel, hypocritical and aggressive. Not a good mix.

Extracted from the US Senate web-page, a selection from Vice-Presidents of the United States, written by Senator Mark Hatfield:
The first two vice presidents, Adams and Jefferson, did much to shape the nature of the office, setting precedents that were followed by others. During most of the nineteenth century, the degree of influence and the role played within the Senate depended chiefly on the personality and inclinations of the individual involved. Some had great parliamentary skill and presided well, while others found the task boring, were incapable of maintaining order, or chose to spend most of their time away from Washington, leaving the duty to a president pro tempore. Some made an effort to preside fairly, while others used their position to promote the political agenda of the administration.
During the twentieth century, the role of the vice president has evolved into more of an executive branch position. Now, the vice president is usually seen as an integral part of a president’s administration and presides over the Senate only on ceremonial occasions or when a tie-breaking vote may be needed. Yet, even though the nature of the job has changed, it is still greatly affected by the personality and skills of the individual incumbent.
Biden was wrong. He thought the way he has seen the VP’s operate must surely be dictated by the constitution. Turns out it’s just current practice, not constitutional law.

I wish people would research claims themselves and not just rely on a terribly liberal-biased media to give them their opinions. If people took two minutes to visit the Senate’s own history on this issue at http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Vice_President.htm they would better understand the history of the position. As the President of the Senate, the VP’s influence has run the gamut from non-engaged figureheads to very engaged leaders. The Senates own rules give quite a lot of power to the President of the Senate. In fact, “Under the original code of Senate rules, the presiding officer exercised great power over the conduct of the body’s proceedings. Rule XVI provided that ‘every question of order shall be decided by the President [of the Senate], without debate; but if there be a doubt in his mind, he may call for a sense of the Senate.’ Thus, contrary to later practice, the presiding officer was the sole judge of proper procedure and his rulings could not be turned aside by the full Senate without his assent.” Sure sounds to me like there is a lot of latitude in how the VP engages this role.

I’m so tired of stupid “folksy” people ruining our country. Bush is not – and never was – a smart man. Palin is clearly very, very stupid. You cannot expect stupid people to do a complicated job – like running the entire country – without screwing it up.
Look back at the best presidents this country ever had… they were not stupid people. They were very, very smart. And good things happened. It is not a coincidence.