Palin’s Mixed Messages on Patriotism
She makes strong charges.
"Our opponent is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country," Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.
But then yesterday to a smaller audience of reporters she said, "I know Obama loves America. I’m sure that is why he’s running for president. It’s because he wants to do what he believes is in the best interest of this great nation. I believe that our ticket can do a better job for America. But I don’t question at all Barack Obama’s love for this great country."
Same with the patriotism implications she’s made of wide swaths of Americans.
"We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation," she said this week in North Carolina. "This is where we find the kindness and the goodness and the courage of everyday Americans. Those who are running our factories and teaching our kids and growing our food and are fighting our wars for us. Those who are protecting us in uniform. Those who are protecting the virtues of freedom."
But, again, when asked to explain why some areas of the country are more "pro-America" than others, she backed off.
"Every area, every area across this great country where we’re stopping and where also the other ticket is stopping and getting to speak at these rallies and speak with the good Americans, it’s all pro-America," Palin said. "I was just reinforcing the fact that there, where I was, there’s good patriotic people there in these rallies, so excited about positive change and reform of government that’s coming that they are so appreciative of hearing our message, hearing our plan."
Hmmm.
- jpt
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Posted by: terracotta | October 18, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Talk about class warfare.
Posted by: Thinking | October 18, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
The McCain/Palin ticket are so pathetic!
Both are spewing hatred…
I pray Obama/Biden wins this election!
As for the Republican supporters, for the most part, they are mean and frankly, just plain dumb! You read their postings – they can’t spell, they are like McCain – no ‘flow’ to their thoughts.
I am so sick and tired of the rich complaining that under Obama they will have to pay more taxes. Gee, I wish I had more money to pay higher taxes! Yes, I do believe it is patriotic… if one has been blessed to have money, then one should consider it an honor to pay more in taxes. Of course, the Republican supporters will argue that case all the way to their bank! So, nothing will change… the rich will get richer and the poor will be the door mats!
Posted by: Sandy | October 18, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
This is why as a registered Independent I won’t vote for McCain/Palin because they would rather divide us than come up with
solutions to our problems. Does she realize if she does get to the oval office
she will have represent the whole of America, not just the white anglo saxon
protestants? I say as a white middle aged
protestant from the midwest that she does
not represent my views or anyone I know.
Posted by: Teri | October 18, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
the demagoguery backlash begins. finally. thank god.
Posted by: mm | October 18, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Palin comes across as having no particular set of views, no real knowledge of any serious issues, and is a “willing vessel” for her “speechwriters”.
That brings the question – just who is filling the vessel and what is the purpose or mission of this/these person(s)? I think we should all be concerned – she is not a joke any more.
Posted by: Sara, Wisconsin | October 18, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
Intelligent conservatives have spoken out against Palin. She’s a disaster and totally unqualified to be VP or POTUS.
Noonan, Frum, Matthew Dowd, Brooks, Parker, Will, etc, etc, etc.
All say she is a horrible pick. Most question McCain’s judgement for picking her.
Posted by: bob | October 18, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
McCain’s campaign all across the board is erratic, inconsistent, and apparantly desperate. Even this ‘Joe the plumber’ thing is now unraveling on them as people learn the guy would get more money back under Obama, he’s not a licensed plumber, and he’s a registered Republican going to an Obama rally. Then we have him on Katie Curic comparing Obama to Sammy Davis tap dancing. McCain doesn’t have a strategy… he just latches on to anything he think may give him a way to turn this around. Then inevitably the lack of planning and thinking through what the consequences might be blows up in his face. Then he blames the media for sticking his foot in his mouth once again.
Posted by: Mark | October 18, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
Noonan, Frum, Matthew Dowd, Brooks, Parker, Will
That’s it. No etc. etc. etc. Dowd? You can take that opportunist off the list. He’s a switch hitter. The rest are east coast elites who are having a lot of difficulty reconciling the popularity of the plain spoken lady from Alaska with their pompous, ivy league inspired, I’m-your-intellectual-superior-so-you-better-pay attention point of view. Go take the time to read Noonan’s latest missive in the WSJ. Then read the thoughtful comments of her readers. Enjoy.
Posted by: jcarob | October 18, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
i love sarah palin.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Palin is neither patriotic nor Christian. Palin represents all that is horrible and wrong about these values. ………………
Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | October 18, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Will they make up their mind???
Is Obama or is Obama not a terrorist sympathizer?
Is he anti-American or a patriot?
Is he a decent family man or a scary “Arab”?
And Concerned in OH, it’s also unpatriotic and Un-American to insinuate people who support the other ticket of being less-then patriotic as McCain did: (On polling day, it’s either Country First and Obama first). It’s also un-American to abuse your power to fire people. It’s also unpatriotic to pick a totally inexperienced VP just to win the election despite having a history of poor health and being of age.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 18, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
would you people shut the hell up about him not being a “licensed” plumber already!!!! wow.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
GOP = Get Out of Politics
Posted by: Lori | October 18, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
McCains own Party fighs back!
On Friday, even GOP Sen. Susan Collins condemned McCain’s robocall campaign. “These kind of tactics have no place in Maine politics,” her spokesman said. “Sen. Collins urges the McCain campaign to stop these calls immediately.”
Posted by: Mike NC | October 18, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
also, is it against the law to be a registered republican and going to an obama rally?! isnt that whats its all about in a democracy? i went to one as well, to hear him in his own words. THATS DEMOCRACY. and if i got the chance to ask him a question, you damn right i would have put him on the spot!!!! all of the medias ridiculous questions, and all the same ol stump speeches, its GREAT to hear an actual citizen grill them on a question!!!! thats what we need more of, so lets quit this ridiculous subject already!!!
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Do some research on Sara Palin I have and I can tell some of the things that Inspire this woman is downright SCARY BE AFRAID OF PALIN VERY AFRAID!
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
angie…
humor me, and tell me what is to be “afraid” of sarah palin?! please.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
AIP (ALASKIN INDEPENDENCE PARTY)
LEARN ABOUT IT!!
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
As far as I am concerned this rabid far right garbage being spewed is about as unpatriotic as it gets. They are ruining my country. I’m sick of listening to them demonize half the country.
Posted by: Susan-1 | October 18, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
ok, im going to try to break this down to the simplest of questions for those who support obama. ok, first, can we all agree that government, generally, screws up everything they get their hands on? whether your a democrat or republican, liberal or conservative, can we just agree on that???
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
angie…
seriously, “man” up, and tell me, in your opinion, why should we be scared of sarah palin? what could she have possibly done in her “short” political career that scares you?
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Palin is no way good enough
to serve the national at
this moment.
She just read what is
prepared for her speech,
without knowing what she
is talking about.
Thats why she gives mixed
messages when asked later to
clarify.
Posted by: FM | October 18, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Tim I was Listening to a NPR Radio program, The Topic was about Sara Palin, They were Interviewing A member of Sara Palins cabinet and pretty much what this man was saying Palin looks for advice Through the Backwoods Preachers of Alaska, You know like the Witch Doctor Pastor! pretty much what this man basically said SHE IS A RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS NUT SHE IS SO FAR RIGHT WORSE THEN BUSH,Her belifs are quite scary she does not belive in seperating CHURCH AND STATE THE LADY IS A NUT!!
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
angie…
lol ok, so first off, you have no proof of anything other than “some guy” on NPR? i asked what you were scared of her for, and you replied “alaska independance party”. sarah palin has been a registered republican since 1982. she has never been a member of the alaskan independence party. care to try again?
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
oh and by the way, im sure if this “guy” was on sarah palin’s cabinet, he wouldnt be saying she was a “right wing, religious nut”… lol
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
There are days McCain and Palin like all of American. Then there are days they only like half of America.
Maybe these two are on pills?????
Something is erratic.
Posted by: newz4i | October 18, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
and, why am i not getting any answers from obama supporters on here regarding my general question of “do you think the government screws everything up it gets its hands on”? any replies?
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Sarah Palin is a religous nut job. She is a ignorant intolernent hater. She missused her authority as Gov of Alaska. She condoned the agenda of a radical seperatitst group in Alaska. She tried to ban books in a library. She stood by and said nothing when morons at one of her rallies cryed Tratior and Kill him about Sen Obama. This woman is a liar who is only interested in power and pushing her own twisted agenda. Sham on John McCain for picking such a pice of garbage for a running mate.
Posted by: Mike in WNY | October 18, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
ghm,
There are plenty of Alaskans ###### off with Palin. Go look at You tube or any video sharing website.
They have some very good slogans:
I didn’t blink = I didn’t think
Palinocchio!
McCain/Palin= Unstable/Unable
God’s will is not foreign policy!
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 18, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Palin seems willing to say whatever is put in her mouth. She appears to have absolutely no ideas or principles of her own. Like Bush, she allow others to do her thinking. She is not only unqualified, she is unfit to be Vice President.
Posted by: James | October 18, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
tim,
The govt can help in REGULATION, not neccessarily taking over the whole process. Letting the market run wild, for one, was a bad idea.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 18, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
mike..
i reaize vy what you say, you are a liberal. but why come in here and say absolute LIES about someone you dont support? if you want a debate, thats great. but to come in here and just spew lies? cmon now.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
greymatter…
ok, i finally have someone to answer.. lol i agree, government has its place. im just trying to make a point here. but in general, can we trust the government anymore thatn we can trust the free market? isnt creed and corruption the issue, wheter its in the government or free maket? so i ask, why would we elect someone who says, flat out, he wants bigger government?
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
grey matter…
there is ALWAYS going to be critics of a politician!!! look at her approval rating in alaska. enough said.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Tapper, this is the first time that I have called you out, but you are completely full of it. During the summer, when Obama (in all his wisdom) pointed out that when the conservatives would start getting desperate, they would start trying to make the electorate scared of him, which they have, you accused him of crossing the line.
Now that this woman has basically talked out of both sides of her mouth for Obama’s love of his country, all you can say is hmmmm? Really? Hmmmm?
Posted by: TRW | October 18, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
So let’s see what the very conservative Chicago Tribune has to say:
Part 1:
McCain failed in his most important executive decision. Give him credit for choosing a female running mate–but he passed up any number of supremely qualified Republican women who could have served. Having called Obama not ready to lead, McCain chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. His campaign has tried to stage-manage Palin’s exposure to the public. But it’s clear she is not prepared to step in at a moment’s notice and serve as president. McCain put his campaign before his country.
Posted by: Truth Reigns | October 18, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Chicago Tribune Part 2:
The Tribune praised Obama as a “University of Chicago Democrat” and promised to “provide some assurance” to Americans wary of the Illinois Senator:
We have known Obama since he entered politics a dozen years ago. We have watched him, worked with him, argued with him as he rose from an effective state senator to an inspiring U.S. senator to the Democratic Party’s nominee for president.
We have tremendous confidence in his intellectual rigor, his moral compass and his ability to make sound, thoughtful, careful decisions. He is ready.
Editorial page editor Bruce Dold said he is “as proud of our endorsement of Obama” as he is of its endorsement of Lincoln.
Posted by: Truth Reigns | October 18, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
The Chicago Tribune endorsed Barack Obama Friday, marking the first time in the paper’s 161-year history it has backed a Democrat for president.
Posted by: Truth Reigns | October 18, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
anyone else care to try answering my general question? “does government screw up everything it gets its hands on”?
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
come on liberals!!! i know you’re still in here!!
“does government screw up everything it gets its hands on?”
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
no obama supporters left in here?
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
can we say “erratic”
it’s not about age
it’s about not having a compass.
Posted by: dl | October 18, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
dl…
if i remember correctly, you’re an obam supporter correct?
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
can we say “erratic”
it’s not about age
it’s about not getting right ever on the first shot.
Posted by: dl | October 18, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
yeah
I am an Obama supporter…
I am not a supporter of the
same team
same tactics
same fake bologne
same weird use of patriotism to cover their own bad judgements
Posted by: dl | October 18, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
so she is a parrot, and it is correct to be asking who is sarah palin? and what does she really think and believe?
if she thinks obama loves his country, let her say it to a wider crowd.
if she thinks he is patriotic, let her say it at a rally.
and lets see what she says the next time she is in front of a mike, with a big crowd.
Posted by: wow | October 18, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
and Tim
here approval rating came from windfall profits of oil companies in an oil economy dependent state.
she increased her state spending by 60%
because of that
Hitler and Paris Hilton’s love child would have gotten an approval rating of 75%
Posted by: dl | October 18, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
dl…
would you care to answer my question that i presented to all the obama supporters in here a bit ago and they all decided to leave? does government screw up everything it gets its hands on??
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
well seeing as the last 8 years was about reducing government social programs and reduction of regulation
I think your point is baseless.
seems the government stepped out of the market and programs over the last 8 years
and into our bedrooms and our personal spaces…and helped bring the church more into those decisions…
they deconstructed the safety net architecture that protected us from market greed and implosion
and now we are here.
capitalism works in a democratic republic only when there are rules and architecture…a capitalist democracy only works when it is “touched by grace”
but some people like McCain seem to never understand that…
never mind Palin…she can’t spell capitalist democracy…never mind understand it.
Posted by: dl | October 18, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Tim,
no, sure enough not. BUT …. it depends on who is governing and with what background of ideology.
Selfishness remains selfishness, and that is what GOP seems to be mostly about – in my opinion.
Posted by: Truth Reigns | October 18, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
I bow to dl who gave you a beautiful answer, Tim.
Posted by: Truth Reigns | October 18, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
ahhhh, i think truthreigns answered it for me.. lol IT DEPENDS ON WHO IS GOVERNING!!! forget about the canidates. based on your principles, do you like big government or smaller government? i am also sickened by alot (not all) of the last eight years. lots of blame to go around, from both sides of the aisle. but based on your values, do you like bigger or smaller government and why?
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
TIM not her but First dude was and there is proof and Evidence of her Speaking to the AIP members telling them KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK As early as 2007 so spin that!
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
and TIm be very clear
the Fannie and freddie notion of spreading home ownership would have been good for our markets and capitalism…
more people paying mortgages
but the year it was passed …just after that bill
Phil Gramm …yes Gramm…
the moment this fannie and fredie stuff got through…
he went to work and got the Gramm Leachey Bill passed a month or so later…
opening up wall street to take advantage of those Fannie and Freddie mortgages.
Gramm ushered it through congress for the same people who have hired him to lobby for deregulation
through a republican congress in a veto proof passing…
Opening the door for what should have been good for America…fiscally and morally…
into typical republican slimey opening for the execs on wall street.
Posted by: dl | October 18, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
the present gov. with full support of john mccain, has messed up everything they put there hands on.
I say it is incompetence
my husband said george bush is not as stupid as he has seemed and it was a planned.
at any rate, this gov. with 90percent of support from john mccain has messed up everything it has been a part.
and the thing that really worries me, and john mccain has not told me, so i have no reason to think otherwise.
mccain voted proudly with bush on bush policies 90%-he has not changed them, because he agrees.
mccain has not told us how he would be different from bush.
so therefore i will think, he will be about the same, or worse.
Posted by: wow | October 18, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
angie…
ok, if thats why you are scared of sarah palin, because her husband was briefly associated with the alaska independence party, then so be it. be scared. but then if you want to talk about associations, what say you about barack obamas associations through the years? no need to mention names, i believe you know the list.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
As for all of you claiming Obama will bring Socilalisim I belive The Presidency of Bush the Last 8 years and him pouring Goverment into our banks has BRANG SOCIALISIM!
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Tim
on almost every level
McCain Palin is the worst ticket for the white house this nation has ever seen.
period.
Posted by: dl | October 18, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
tim
we don’t leave, we just ignor ignorance.
yes, government has many problems but the hands-off approach by bush and his fellow hijackers has put this country on the brink of depression.
is the good part of government that you might agree with are amries fighting in iraq and afganistan? do you just cherry pick the parts that you want government to govern? does no one else have a say in what our government should be spending our tax dollars on?
You know there are many places in the world where the government is not very strong – weak army, starvation, no roads, more stealing and graft then you can ever imagine – maybe you ought to try one of these countries.
How can your leader LIE to start a war and not be impeached. How?????? Did this war start for WMD’s? Where are they? If we have proven Iraq did not have them why are we still there 4 years later. Why are we paying $10 billion a month to secure and rebuild Iraq when our country is crumbling? WHEN WILL IT END????? How can we start to rebuild are economey and country while we are still fighting bush/mccain/palin’s war? Answers????
Posted by: mike | October 18, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
Quote
would you care to answer my question that i presented to all the obama supporters in here a bit ago and they all decided to leave? does government screw up everything it gets its hands on??
Quote
When Government is run by Republicans, yep, it screws everything up.
Posted by: TinaT | October 18, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
TIM
It isnt just about AIP that scares me about Palin SHE IS TOO FAR RIGHT AND A RELIGIOUS NUT THAT WONT SEPERATE STATE AND CHURCH YOU CANNOT BRING RELIGION INTO POLITICTS AND IDEALOGY
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Concerned in OH
See the forward part LEGAL SERVCES ???
Also has Obama been found guilty of anything is there an investergation ?
YEAH DIDNT THINK SO!
SARAH PALIN AND MCCAIN BOTH GUILTY OF ETHICS VIOLATIONS!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 18, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
dl…
you’re getting off the subject here. first off, you as a democrat i assume, hav absolutely no credible grounds on the housing crisis. it was caused simply by clueless, idealogical, left wingers in congress, that wanted to push the “american dream” of home ownership to all. you have absolutely no credibility there. if you want to pick on another issue, fine. but that one was overwhelmingly caused by liberals in congress. ironc, these are the same guys who are trying to “bail” us out now isnt?! anyways, dont get off subject. just bite your lip and tell me you love big government.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
TIM
Facts are Facts look at your history of Presidents
Democrat Presidents=Surplus
Republican President=Deficit
I am not saying all Republicans are bad but they dont know how to Budget Money and Sara is way too far right like Bush! Sara is more Bushy then Mccain!
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
angie…
ahhhh, so now when i present the “association” question at you for YOUR canidate, its not “just about” that?! too funny. but you proved the point, i dont need to go any furthur with that one, so why do you think she is a “religious nut job”?!
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
She should probably apologize to those from urban and suburban backgrounds serving in our armed forces.
Posted by: Jeremy | October 18, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
TIM
No the housing crisis is due to NO REGULATION no one was there to stop the banks from giving out loans that were not good! DEREGULATION is something Senator Mccain strongley supports!
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
What I cant stand about Palin and McCain is that they have no platform besides for more years of bush… they are running on smears and lies when one doesnt work the make up another!
Every line of attack they came up with ends up blowing up in their faces and still some people believe there crap!
Truth and Issues need to win this election thats why this former Republican is voting Obama.
Posted by: Mike NC | October 18, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Too many stupid Democrats here.
Posted by: seinfeld | October 18, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
angie…
you’re partially correct… lol there was a regulation problem there, but its much larger of an issue than that. liberals in congress, barnie frank, chuck schumer, chris dodd, etc., had the lendings institutions hands tied. they “made” them make bad loans to bad people. its as simple as that. and this didnt just come about in the last year. this started during the clinton years when the laws starting changing to make predatory lending easier and eventually “mandatory”.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Tim,
the size of the government should be like the size of the shoe: not too big and not too small.
To find out how big it must be and how much influence it should have intelligent people who SERVE the country are needed and they have to have the mental ability to assess that properly.
Did you study Sarah Palin’s rise? I did. Her career was launched by then chairman of AIP and in return he got a lot to say in terms of policies. Her door remains open to this scary man until today.
The last speech she gave to AIP was this year, and she said: keep up the good work.
It came on cnn too. The article appeared at salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/
Posted by: Truth Reigns | October 18, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
This woman is a ticking time bomb ready to explode,she is not to be trusted with the smallest part of this government.His quick ride on the skirt tails of this stupid woman is over.It back fired on him along with all the crap he is handing out.
Posted by: indp voter | October 18, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Palin is a Janus-faced liar.
A secessionist peddling
patriotism to the party base.
Posted by: anon | October 18, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
McCain and Palin have brought racisim back to our great country and made a mockery of themselves and our system.
tHAT IS UNPATRIOTIC. THEY ARE DIVIDERS AT A TIME WHEN WE NEED TO PULL TOGETHER
Posted by: seme | October 18, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Does Jake Tapper ever get tired of attacking Palin and McCain? I used to sit here and read him attack Bill and Hillary Clinton. The media runs 85% negative ads against the republicans and ZERO against Obama , and a few here and there against Biden.
Then to make up for it, Mc Cain is forced to run negative ads against Obama so the media says Mc Cain is to blame for the ‘negative campaigning’ .
I guess they dont consider Obama calling Mc Cain ‘the failed George Bush’ for 2 years to be negative campaigning.
This election cycle will go down in history as the most corrupt in United States history. The media has never been so corrupt in its history.
Posted by: infoseeking | October 18, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Hmmmm is right….Palin/McCain are stabbing in the dark….and dividing this country, vs trying to unite and include all of us GREAT AMERICANS as simply AMERICANS! cut the PRO-AMERICAN crap!
Insulting to insinuate any of us here in America are not pro-America!!
I’d dontate money to the Republican ticket…just FIFTY CENTS….for the clue, that is!
Vote Obama/Biden
Posted by: Richard | October 18, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
truth reign,
what is the name of the man with aip?
not that i care that much, i have cast my vote, for obama biden.
Posted by: wow | October 18, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
wow…
ok, heres the eventual point i was trying to get at. its just hard when i have to reply to others.. lol im not here to support mccain. i dont really like him all that much, along with a big portion of the sellout republicans in congress. and i REALLY despise most modern day democrats. my point is this. we have had a rough last 8 years. alot to fix. not just from the last 8 years, but alot from over the last 30 years. the role and actions of governemt is despicable. i just think that given the current problems we face, people DO want change. and i fully understand that, seeing that im one of those. barack obama came along at the perfect time to get elected. i just dont think that the average american realizes how bad his ideas truly are, because they are sooooo focussed on change. this guy, and again, im not saying this in support of mccain, is unlike anything we have ever seen before with a shot at the presidency. and he is such a good politician, that the average american dosent get it. i could go alot furthur with this, but im sure you all will jump on me on the “but why” questions, so ill leave it there.. lol
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Reporters have not asked Palin
a simple question.
Is she not an avowed secessionist?
Posted by: anon | October 18, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Jake OUGHT to point out this particlar story about Palin. She OWES ME and the rest of the Country and apology for insinuating we all are NOT PRO-AMERICAN’S!!
Jake is showing Plin’s TRUE COLORS! Thank God it is before the election!!!
THANK YOU JAKE!!!
McCain/Palin, quit dividing this country and stick to the issues of the direction of the country, as Obama and Biden have done, and continue to do!!!
Vote Obama/Biden!!
Posted by: Richard | October 18, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Palin herself is a mixed message. Please get her off the ticket – she is bringing the party down with her. It is now beyond embarrassment.
What if McCain wins? Will she be sequestered from the media then too? When will she have a press conference – since they won’t let her have one before the election and won’t release her medical records before the election – will she be allowed to have one as vice president?
What exactly will her role be – and what role will her husband have (will he be included in govt meetings and copied on govt email as he was in Alaska, will he be a shadow VP? Will she also use personal email for government business? Will she avoid future subpeonas as she has in the past? Will she again abuse her power as she has in the past? Will she be taping more messages for the Alaskan Independence party as she did for their last convention?
For Jake Tapper, when will the media demand a press conference? Not sure how she handle another 9/11 god forbid, if she can’t handle a press conference.
Posted by: Florida Republican | October 18, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
I don’t know why it’s so hard for the media to understand Gov. Palin.
She never said Obama didn’t “love his country.”
She said he is willing to criticize America, and she is not.
It’s not partisan — it’s the difference between those of us who don’t know any other country we’d rather live in, and what really is turning out to be the “Blame America First” crowd.
McCain’s career is about solutions, not about blame.
Facts:
He offered to give up his individual freedoms and serve America when he was 17 years old.
He led America in forgiving Vietnam, after being tortured for America as a POW by them for 5+ years.
He compromised with Ted Kennedy on education reform for the sake of moving America’s schools forward.
He compromised with Russ Feingold campaign finance reform; Barack Obama threw his own previously espoused support for campaign finance reform under the bus, for political expediency.
McCain compromised with Hispanic and Democratic leaders on immigration reform and now gets credit from neither side.
He hounded Tom Delay on K-Street lobbyists and cooperated in sending all the culprits to jail.
He held Donald Rumsfield accountable and into retirement because of his incompetence in handling of the invasion of Iraq, as his first act when Democrats took control in 2006.
He warned Democrats about Freddie and Fannie and the mortgage crisis in 2005-6.
He has never requested any pork-barrel spending in his entire career. In conrast, Joe Biden won’t even release his requests. Obama has taken a billion a year.
He led out on supporting the surge. Joe Biden offered a laughable alternative.
What’s Barack Obama’s record on doing anything except giving a speech (which to those who aren’t in the cult, sounds just like a lecture)?
Questions:
Bigger government?
Smaller government?
Higher taxes and re-distribution of wealth?
Lower taxes and government reform?
Liberals in charge?
Split government?
Sarah Palin is not speaking about patriotism; it is Joe Biden who implied that complaining about higher taxes was unpatriotic.
Sarah Palin is talking about government.
She believes we have the best government framework in the world, and wants to return to that framework.
Barack Obama wants to expand that framework to his own liking.
That’s the choice.
Posted by: Jan | October 18, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
wow…
ok, heres the eventual point i was trying to get at. its just hard when i have to reply to others.. lol im not here to support obama. i dont really like him all that much, along with a big portion of the sellout democrats in congress. and i REALLY despise most modern day republicans. my point is this. we have had a rough last 8 years. alot to fix. not just from the last 8 years, but alot from over the last 30 years. the role and actions of governemt is despicable. i just think that given the current problems we face, people DO want change. and i fully understand that, seeing that im one of those. john mccain came along at the perfect time to get elected. i just dont think that the average american realizes how bad his ideas truly are, because they are sooooo focussed on change. this guy, and again, im not saying this in support of obama, is unlike anything we have ever seen before with a shot at the presidency. and he is such a good politician, that the average american dosent get it. i could go alot furthur with this, but im sure you all will jump on me on the “but why” questions, so ill leave it there.. lol
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | October 18, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Sarah Palin really put her foot in her mouth talking about”palling around with known terrorists”I saw her speech to the AIP(Alaska Independent Party on the official AIP website)and those who belong to the AIP spew their “Anti-American ” retoric making no bones about thier distain for the “lower 48″
What gall this tramp has to get up and cast aspersions on Obama! This pageant reject who cheated on her husband,who used her office to further her own personal vendetta against her former brother-in-law,has some nerve acting as if she is some kind of Patriot. McCain chose her purely for visual effect, He didn’t want to be standing next to tall,dark and handsome Romney. He wanted to appeal to white, redneck,male voters who vote with their dicks. It’s no surprise that her daughter is 17 and pregnant: the fruit doesn’t fall that far from the tree.And, as for terrorist association;who is it who’s always being photographed with a gun in her hand ? OLD PISTOL-PACKIN’ PALIN HERSELF !!
Posted by: The Reminder | October 18, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Why is Sarah always questioning everyone’s patriotism? Does she think you have to live in a small town to be a genuine American? I thought America stretched from Atlantic to Pacific, from Canada to Mexico. Last time I looked, not everyone lived in a small town with a McCain sign on their lawn. This country has two political parties, not one, and both are American political parties, not socialists, not communists, not terrorists. Sarah needs to go back to the Upper One(as opposed to the Lower 48) where she feels more at home wanting to secede from this “great nation” as she constantly says. I for one would be happy if she took all the right wingnuts with her and formed her own Palin-Land for the “special needs” people amongst us, whose major need seems to be to question the character and patriotism of anyone who disagrees with them.
Posted by: mags | October 18, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
The Obama campain is right on target! If McCain had a brain he would have done what the Obama campain did and got on the ball and got people in his campain organized! he’s behind because he relied on big Washington money to pay for his campain! For all the so called experience he has he sure had some bad judgement. Not what I want running our country! My vote is Obama-Biden. I can’t live in the olden days! this is now and we have to look to the future for our children!
Posted by: kellie | October 18, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
truth reigns…
im not sure where you’re going with that one.. lol im assuming that you are another one that is totally “brainwashed” by mr. obama. believe me, i WANT to like this guy!!! i want to be one that truly believes he is good for the nation, but i see through the lines. i look at the big picture. i look at his ideas and his principles and what he thinks the role of government should be. i KNOW why people support him. he is young, charming, great speaker, black (yes i said it), a democrat, an idealist, etc. etc…. i realize why this guy is appealing to so many. especially given our current situation. but let me just ask you one question… have you ever done any research at all about socialism? karl marx, frederich engels? and im not trying to be “cocky” here, im asking a serios question… alot of his supporters and those on the left have made socialism a bad word… lol
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
I really think what Palin is trying to say is.. if you’re for Obama, then you are somehow not as American, as those people who support the Republican McCain\Palin ticket. Well, that’s just ludicrous Sarah, but why would we expect anything less to come out of your mouth? And especially at these rallies where your main goal is to divide and rile people with distortions and lies. Then I love when you try and backtrack and make it sound like you’re so innocent and wink at the camera and act as if the very thing you were trying to do is not what you were doing. I’m sure you wish we were all just that stupid, but you know what we’re not!
Posted by: lkinopfl | October 18, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
ok, angie… you win. you’re right… lol
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
ok, im not sure how, but on MY reply to “wow” below, it should say tim!!!! how it says mr. coffee, i have absolutely no idea. moderators, care to answer that one??????
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Dear Tim, How are you? We are having one of these incredible fall days – sky so blue it makes you believe in Santa Claus!
Anyway, Tim, no one screws up everything they do. No one party has all the answers. And no group I’ve every gotten to know has all good people or all bad people.
I’ve seen some amazing veterans being cared for at the VA. I’ve seen diseases stopped in their tracks at the NIH. I’ve seen the internet started and developed by government. So, sure, government does screw up somethings – but so do Libertarians, Republiicans, Democrats, Catholics, and so on.
Tim, it hurts me to hear so much anger from people here. When I am stressed, I tend to think everyone else is a lazy good-for-nothing who isn’t doing their job and just trying to ruin us all. But that’s not the way it is. Really.
We are so lucky to have Jesus as an example for us. He taught us we can choose Him, choose to believe – and choose to turn bad into good.
Tim, I bet you are someone who could be a real leader – someone who has ideas that are different from the average – ideas and energy that we need, together, to make this place, this blessed country of ours – work.
I’ll try to find time to make you some cookies today, but, if I don’t see you – get one for yourself for me. You are a good man, Tim, and I miss you.
Love, Mom
Posted by: Mom | October 18, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Tim,
why should he not include Karl Marx and Friedrich Engel’s good ideas? Not all is bad what they said.
I trust Obama’s judgement that he takes the good ideas from everyone left or right and forms it according to the actual need now, today into something new. Don’ you?
Posted by: Truth Reigns | October 18, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
“mom”…
ok,whischever one of you has to disguise yourself as someone else, that was the most ridiculous thing i have ever read.. lol but typical. because you come in here, and speak out against obama (and mccain) you must be crazy right???!!!!
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Palin is stoking hate and racism. She should be ashamed. She is not, she is an extremist. Even in Alaska. All that is coming out of her is ugly politics. People will go out in large numbers this election so Republicans can’t still this election, like they did in 2000, 2004.
Posted by: Betsy | October 18, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Tim,,,
here’s something that Sarah Palin did that scares me…although it shouldn’t surprise anyone since she got a D in Macroeconomics..
She took a town of approx 6,000 people which at the start of her tenure as mayor had zero debt…and left them with a debt of $27 million at the end of her term.
Now it comes our that she abolished building permits in her town just before she had her house built. The building of her home was coordinated at the same time as the building of the $15 million hockey arena she fought for. Of the contractors that are traceable, it appears several were the same and were working on the project at the same time.
Isn’t this the same kind of thing Ted Stevens is on trial for?
Where is the transparency when the requirement for building permits are eliminated.
Her salary was not cut when she took office as mayor, yet she hired at city manager at an extra cost of $60,000 to take over the work load.
The agreement she signed for the natural gas pipeline in Alaska (with a Canadian firm) against competing US firms) -not only has no provision to get the gas to the lower 48 (ends in the Alberta Oil Shales-and we won’t EVEN get into the possible implications of that)…but it also includes an non-competition clause which states that if the state facilitates an agreement with a competitor…it will owe Transcanada a yet to be determined figure…this plus $500 million non-refundable up front and Fed guarantees in the billions. There ARE provisions to get that gas to China built however..
Poor economic policy?
Posted by: karen | October 18, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
So let me get this straight Sarah Palin canmake time to apear on SNL but cant do a real interview with any new media other than FAKE NEWS ?
WHAT A JOKE!!
AND WHATS THIS NEWS ABOUT HER HAVING SOME THUGS BEAT UP THE MEDIA FOR ASKING HER QUESTIONS ?
HER AND HER McCarthyism HAVE NO PLACE IN MODEREN DAY AMERICA !!
THE LAND OF THE ‘FREE’ HOME OF THE BRAVE EVERYONE USE YOUR RIGHTS AND VOTE OBAMA!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 18, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
TIM- Do you not agree Phil Graham is the one that enacted the DEREGULATION ACT in 1992 Republicans dont want Regulation they feel thats too much Goverment so because of their Idealology look at the mess we are in!
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
now kimo poro
that is about the scariest thing i have seen in a long while.
i sure would like for john mccain to see that and hear what he has to say about that.
that is shameful.
do you all remember mccain rally’ pre palin. none of this kind of hate stuff.
after putting her up there spewing all the hate talk,
they brought all the kooks out of the woodworks. these were the people who were planning to stay in and not vote for mccain. and don’t we wish they had stayed out of sight.
all of this because mccain chose the wrong running mate.
mccain has to answer for george bushes mess,and he will have to give an explain
this sarah palin mess.
once this is over and mccain has lost,
do any of you think the mccains and palins will ever get together again.
cindy mccain looks at sarah palin with
the same disdain she looks at the people in the audience at her husbands rallys
Posted by: wow | October 18, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Why cant we ever have a President that is Independent and doesnt belong to a party?
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
DOES THIS MAKE YOU MAD ?:
GOP REP BACHMANN: INVESTIGATE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS “TO FIND OUT IF THEY ARE PRO-AMERICA OR ANTI-AMERICA”
THEN DONATE TO THIS MAN:
Elwyn Tinklenberg
Thankfully, the citizens of MN-06 have a better choice: DCCC Red-to-Blue candidate El Tinklenberg. El is currently locked in a tight race and winnable race with Bachmann.
Let’s show our outrage in a way that really matters: by kicking Michelle Bachmann out of Congress and replacing her with a sane candidate like El Tinklenberg.
GOP REP BACHMANN HAS NO PLACE IN MODERN AMERICA!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 18, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
iknpofl…
see, i knew someone would speak up and say “socialism isnt all that bad”… lol im not saying that its all bad!!! but its very idealistic, and not what america is!!!! we sit here and argue, day after day, about the mistakes goverment has made and continue to make. so now you want to give them more control????!!! it just dosent make any sense. and let me clear these “assumptions” up. i am NOT a republican, i did NOT support this ridiculous bailout. i dont want to live in a country that “spreads” the wealth!!!! are we robots? when did americans start to say “lets spread the wealth to everyone”???!!! there are people who desperately need help, im not saying that. im not for cutting ALL social programs, but come on!!!! capitalism works!!!! we just need to hold the greedy ones accountable, we dont tneed to change the whole system!!!
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
I guess according to some Republicans on board here its ok to take our tax dollars and bailout Big banks, and CEOS walking away with Millions. Going to Spas,and the most expensive vacations. But the minute the Democrats talk about helping everyday average Americans get Healthcare or whatever its Socialisim please republicans stop being hipocrites!
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
angie.. you win. i already said that.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
did you people even see WHO voted for this “bailout”????!!!!!
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Tim…
Capitalism is not freedom and socialism is not love.
No one is contemplating (least of all Senator Obama- go read his books) that the free market system be abolished…but at this time…as at the time of the Great Depression…under FDR….some elements of programs such as established under the New Deal should be considered…and …yes…some of them are “socialistic” to an extent…as is Alaska’s redistrbution of oil money to it’s citizens…as is the bailout.(which McCain signed too)..
Have you read my posts about Palin…care to discuss why she scares me a tad?
Posted by: karen | October 18, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Both Democrats and Republicans voted for the bailout, What choice did they have? But if it were not for the Republicans and their DEREGULATION maybe we would not have needed a Bailout, now Congress wants to use some of that money to help people on Main St with another stimulus check Republicans are blocking it but it was ok to bailout CEOS and help them Republicans are for the Rich and Wealthy and not for the average American
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
truth reigns…
well let me first say, i dont trust ANY of them. thats your first mistake. never trust a politician. support and trust are two TOTALLY different things. when you trust, that leads to brainwashing. im happy you have this much support for him. im sure you hold more optimism thn i do for the future because of this. and when you said obama “isnt stuck into one ideology or the other”, are you serious??!! his ideology TOTALLY supports big government and spreding the wealth!!! thats why i asked if you have ever done research on a socialistic style of government. how can you say he dosent lean one way?! if you agree or disagree with it is another thing, but there is no disputing his ideology. you said “obama includes the good ideas of everyone”. does he support ANY “good ideas of a fiscal conservative? absolutely not. because his IDEOLOGY wont allow it!!! now again, im not here to tell you to agree with that or not, but to say what you said about his judgement and ideology is flat false.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
karen…
i would love to, but honestly, i am not a fast typer, and i can only largly type one issue at a time.. lol and currently im going at it with truth reigns about mr obama… i will say this though, i like sarah palin from what i have read about her. i dont think she was th best choice, a little inexperienced, but shes ok.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
The Mccain-Palinists are losing on the issues, losing on their attacks, losing on every tactic they’ve tried. But it’s easy to manipulate a crowd mentality. They’re attempting to again make it an “US” versus “THEM”: our side are the real Americans, they’re not, they’re different & scary. It’s OK to hate them. However, as a nation, we’ve had it with divisive politics. Villifying the opponent is not going to work anymore. This is just another way Mccain is not showing leadership. That’s the bottom line. Obama is going to be a good if not great president.
Posted by: SuznAZ | October 18, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
what chioce did they have???!!! are you serious????!!! THEY HAD THE CHOICE TO SAY NO!!!!!!!!! and a number of them did. and i for one noticed, and will vote accordingly. it gets back to my original point of MAING THE NECESSARY CHANGES!!!!! funny how, after all the “sky is falling” talk, and politics of fear about voting “yes” to it and ASAP, it still hasnt helped?? WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO LOOK AT WHO SAYS AND DOES WHAT, AND VOTE THE BAD ONES OUT. plain and simple.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
karen…
believe me, i am open minded. and i realize mccain is scary based on the fact he is “more of the same”, but through ACTIVISM and americans actually STAYING ON HIS ASS, i think there is some hope, but obama just flat out terrifies me. just remember, IT ALWAYS COULD BE WORSE.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Someone needs to ask McCain about this:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Most U.S. and foreign corporations doing business in the United States avoid paying any federal income taxes, despite trillions of dollars worth of sales, a government study released on Tuesday said.
The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
And then there is this:
New IRS statistics show 7,389 federal tax returns with $200,000 or more in adjusted gross income reported no federal income taxes in 2005. That”s a 161% jump from the 2,833 comparable returns filed in 2004. Additionally, 4,224 of the over-$200,000 earners reported no worldwide income tax liability on their 2005 returns, the IRS data show. That represents a 75% increase from the 2,420 comparable returns filed in 2004.
If the corporations and wealthy paid their fair share, we could give tax cuts to everyone.
Posted by: karen | October 18, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Someone needs to ask McCain about this:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Most U.S. and foreign corporations doing business in the United States avoid paying any federal income taxes, despite trillions of dollars worth of sales, a government study released on Tuesday said.
The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
And then there is this:
New IRS statistics show 7,389 federal tax returns with $200,000 or more in adjusted gross income reported no federal income taxes in 2005. That”s a 161% jump from the 2,833 comparable returns filed in 2004. Additionally, 4,224 of the over-$200,000 earners reported no worldwide income tax liability on their 2005 returns, the IRS data show. That represents a 75% increase from the 2,420 comparable returns filed in 2004.
If the corporations and wealthy paid their fair share, we could give tax cuts to everyone.
Posted by: karen | October 18, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Palin needs to be held to account RIGHT NOW. I still haven’t seen a substantive piece in the Washington Post, New York Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, or other major publication about her involvement (her own and her husband’s) in the Alaska Independence Party. And since last weekend’s “Troopergate” report there has been a bizarre silence about the findings – that she ABUSED HER POWER and that she VIOLATED ALASKA STATE ETHICS. Then she blithely lied about the findings – saying she had been cleared of all legal and ethical wrongdoing. WHERE IS THE FOLLOW-UP? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? If Obama and Biden are taking the high road and not attacking her, meanwhile she impugns them every step of the way, maybe the media could step in and DO THEIR JOB.
Posted by: jon in maryland | October 18, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
I am a conservative independent, and I will choose presidential and VP candidate on the basis of moral issues, patriotism, american values and freedom. Why is there so much negative comments against Sarah Palin? This governor has 85% approval rating in Alaska and Alaska has huge surplus. i would say most of these negative comments are coming from die hard democrats who were blinded by so called promise of change: from capitalism to liberal socialism. Socialism, as Obama said is distribution of wealth to everybody, and this is good news to some lazy americans who considered laziness as one example of patriotism.
Posted by: Elaine | October 18, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
ex republican…
at least go and vote for ron paul. make a statement, dont waste your vote.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Tim
The credit markerts were freezing up how were small business gonna get loans to make there Business grow? yes the Bailout was wrong but Congress hands were tied THE BUSH ADMIN was the one asking! it all comes down to the Credit market now slowly the Credit Freeze is thawing but it will take time!
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
jon in maryland…
they looked into the issue. and there is not expected to be any “legal”action taken against her. what is the problem? and also, she has never been in the “alaskan independence party”. she has been a registered republican since 1982. and the problem there is??
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
tim….check out the Palin info for the “it could always be worse” scenario.
Posted by: karen | October 18, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
TIM
What scares you about Senator Obama his name or his skin color?
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
Tim…
the ethics investigation in Alaska concurred and unprecedented level of involvement by Todd Palin in the inner workings of his wife’s administration.
Todd Palin was a member of the AIP for many years. Read the salon.com article..
Governor Palin got her start with the help of the chairmans of this party. Their policy is infiltration of mainstream parties. THAT is CLOSE involvement.
Posted by: karen | October 18, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
angie…
yes, bush id recomend voting for it. what does that mean?! the first time they voted on it, it got turned down. then he asked to “revise it asap”. they did, and then all the weak ones caved. they sold out. EXCEPT for a number of the ones whose convictions are strong. take note of those in our state, if any, that did this. its very important that we ALL do this. and when i sadi the politics of fear, the credit markets freezing is what i meant!!! the credit markets were NOT on the verge of total collapse. they did not need to vote this ridiculous bill in tht soon. listen to the economic experts talk on this issue. they all say the same thing. politics of fear.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
) The tax code is progressive , going up as you make more and has been for almost 100 years.. so in that case we have always been socialist. Its less progressive today than under Reagan and Nixon. I guess they were socialist. Under IKe the max tax rate was 70% by the way.. not 35%.
2) Are you saying that McCain is against Medicare. Medicare is single payer, not socialized. DOCs dont work for the government! As a provider I can tell you medicare is superior to the pain of dealing private health insurance. The U.S, is ranked 37th in healthcare, lower life expectancies than in Europe and infant mortality ranking of 27th.
Posted by: karen | October 18, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
angie…
his belief in governments role actually. nothing else. nice try though.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
TIM
Lets say Mccain wins the Election he is 72 years old,with a history of skin cancer. godforbid something should happen to him can you honsetly sit there and say Palin is qualified to be president?
Posted by: Angie | October 18, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
karen…
ok i get it. you dont like sarah palin. you obviously believe that her associataions in the past are why you dont like her. thats fine. i understand. but is that the real reason you are not voting for the mccain/palin ticket?! let me ask you the same question i asked the last person who came in here talking about her past associations: how do you feel about barack obamas past associations? no names necessary.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
truth reigns…
i agree, your opinion is just that. yours. and i accept it. thanks for the good debate. take care.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
angie…
being that its the only real choice i have as a conservative, i have to say yes!!! i dont think mccain or palin are the greatest choices, how many times do i need to say that?! but as a conservative, i have no other choice. thats all im saying. but its funny how you hear alot more discontent out of conservatives on “our” ticket than you do from the left. have yo umet an obama/biden supporter that dosent FULLY support them? kinda werid to me. actually VERY weird.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Ah PS Tim: talk about brainwashing: then kindly study Palins church background ——-scaaaaaaaaaryyyyyyyy.
“Sarah Palin’s Churches And The Third Wave” on Huffington Postin septembre. Sorry I can’t find the link anymore.
And: Palin did break an ethics LAW not a recommendation. It is not yet clear what will happen but something will have to happen. She wanted to fire the ex brother in law to strip him of his income so that her sister could get the full rights for the kids. Very nice person?
The pattern of abuse is visible already in her early career. See salon article.
Ok bye now………
Posted by: Truth Reigns | October 18, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Palin would hate Houston. We’re big. We’re multicultural. But, we are a community that works together. We’re a community that loves America.
Palin needs to back to her narrow little world with her narrow little views.
She is clueless about America. Electing her would be like bringing a foreign dictator to rule the US.
Posted by: Jan | October 18, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
truth reigns…
ok, you got your last word… lol goodbye
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
karen angie? where did ya go??!!
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
karen…
i know you’re not gonna back down from my question are you??!!
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Sarah Palin is too Ignorant and Ill informed herself and hence when she speaks she has to keep correcting herself!
She has created an atmosphere of fear and divisiveness among those equally illinformed people/subculture who actually believe what she has to say.
The worst people can do is be loyal to a party without thinking about the consequences of platitudes and rhetoric!
Posted by: tkforchange | October 18, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
The explanation is simple, Sarah Palin will say whatever is on her Teleprompter. If no Teleprompter is available, just string together a semi-coherent sentence utilizing the word Maverick.
Posted by: Pacific moderate | October 18, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
I think what she was implying is that people in small towns are more isolated and therefore easier to spoon feed. That shows how out of touch she is, small, middle size, or big, all towns have internet and newspapers. I think she thinks small towns in the lower-48 are like small towns in Alaska. Again, her mind is too set in concrete to adjust to any other reality.
Posted by: jrc903 | October 18, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
It appears that Palin and McCain does not want to win on their own merit, ideas and plans.
They rather win by planting division.
Posted by: musicisourhigh | October 18, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
MCCAIN ,PALIN is ROVE behind these two, the people are sick of BIG MOUTHs, NO action.
Posted by: AIRPLANE | October 18, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Vicious, ignorant people call people who disagree with themselves “terrorists”. That’s the only thing we’ve learned during the last eight years.
Posted by: US Citizen | October 18, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
If she “knows” Obama loves this country, why is she saying just the opposite? That’s all one has to ask. If you have any common sense, then you know her speeches are being written for her, she has no qualms about lying to the American public about her true feelings, and her ambition sprints past any thoughts of us – that’s you and me.
What bothers me the most is that she is flat out lying about what she really believes just get what she wants. That tosses my trust of her completely out the window. Imagining how she’ll do the same in office, as it appears she already has done as a governor, honestly makes me afraid. McCain and Palin are no different from Bush and Cheney. And we all know how Bush successfully disgraced himself so badly that he’s about to replace Hoover in the hall of losers – if he hasn’t already.
Posted by: Raz | October 18, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
In the world of the intolerant nutjob that Sara Palin is anyone who does not vote for the Republican is a traitor and anyone in predominantly liberal, tolerant and progressive areas are Ant-America. Also, what would it make her husband who was part of the Alaska Independance Party and she even spoke at their conference. That would make the Palin family the biggest TRAITORS in the land.
Posted by: feminist50 | October 18, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Vicious, ignorant people call people who disagree with themselves “terrorists”. That’s the only thing we’ve learned during the last eight years.
Posted by: US Citizen | October 18, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
No reason to wonder, she is getting slapped back with her involvement with the Alaskan Independence Party.
Kind of hard to slam someone for being anti-American when you are married to a guy who wants Alaska to secede from the union.
Posted by: Rally | October 18, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
In the U.S. profits are privatized and losses are socialized. Bush and McCain ruined this country with their war and their hands off attitude towards the rich bankers and oil barons.
Posted by: tim | October 18, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
The real question is does Todd Palin and the rest of the Alaskan Independence Party love America?
Posted by: Targaray | October 18, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
In some ways, Palin is the perfect running mate. Because she has no ethical boundaries, she will do ANYTHING that the RNC strategists ask of her.
“Sarah, we need you to accuse Obama of being a foreign-born, christian-hating, terrorist sympathizer. Will do you this?” “You betcha!”
“Sarah, we need you to convince America that they should be afraid of a black man living in the White House. Can we count on you to sell this message?” “You’re darn right you can!”
Well, fortunately the American people are not buying the hate-filled rhetoric that Palin is selling.
To borrow a famous line by Aaron Sorkin used in “The American President”: “We’ve got serious problems, and we need serious people…..this is a time for serious people, (Sarah), and your fifteen minutes are up.”
Posted by: labman57 | October 18, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
… “the whole of America loves her..”
famous last words.
Posted by: val | October 18, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Are you Reps, Crazy? What do you call the Govmnt. buying bad debt from major markets? Is this the Capitalism you guys live for? Boy you conservative people are not only dumb but you wallow in dumbness. Lord have mercy on us all. McCain/Palin, we will all need help if you fools have your way another year. How much of your retirement have you lost? I’m down about $30,000.
Posted by: chucky | October 18, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
The reason McLame doesn’t want to discuss Rev. Wright is because his closet is filled with skeletons when it comes to racist political figures. McCain stated he won’t bring it up because he doesn’t want to be known as a racist. Well when you look into his past it is rittled with racist people. Recently Civil Rights leader John Lewis stated McCain campaign reminded him of Wallace. He wasn’t comparing McCain to Wallace he was referring to the effects of the the two campaign. However, George Wallace was a racist, and McCain was one of his biggest supporters. I’m an older American and I remember those days. Does that make McCain a racist? If Obama is a terrorist than McCain is a racist.
Posted by: MsLena | October 18, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
This great country of ours? Where? I haven’t seen it in eight years. Under Bush and Cheney we’ve been living in occupied America, the mean-spirited American that instead of church and state and liberty for all spies on its own citizens and tries to impose the religion of some onto all. Well no more, and no to McCain/Palin. It’s time for this country to get back on track the way the founding fathers designed it.
Posted by: Robert | October 18, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
How come no one mentions Palin’s backers in Alaska? John Bricher’s, milita’s, secessionists who wanted to start their own little oil fiefdom in Alaska? Isn’t that called traitors?
Sarah and her first dude supported them and they lanched her Governer campain.
Again shows how little Repubs think of America by making her VP. .
Jerry
Posted by: jerry | October 18, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
karen…
ok i get it. you dont like sarah palin. you obviously believe that her associataions in the past are why you dont like her. thats fine. i understand. but is that the real reason you are not voting for the mccain/palin ticket?! let me ask you the same question i asked the last person who came in here talking about her past associations: how do you feel about barack obamas past associations? no names necessary.
Posted by: tim | Oct 18, 2008 1:35:46 PM
The same way I feel about McCain’s associations. They all have their dirt so none of them should be throwing stones at each other.
Posted by: Jwench | October 18, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
I find it quite troubling that Senator Government’s campaign is now asking for federal investigations into people who accuse ACORN of voter fraud.
Not investigations of ACORN’s voter fraud, but the people who make the claim that ACORN is committing voter fraud.
I repeat, Senator Government wants you to be subject to federal investigation if you accuse ACORN is committing voter fraud.
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Oct 18, 2008 10:58:33 AM
How about this:
Dozens of newly minted Republican voters say they were duped into joining the party by a GOP contractor with a trail of fraud complaints stretching across the country.
Voters contacted by The Times said they were tricked into switching parties while signing what they believed were petitions for tougher penalties against child molesters. Some said they were told that they had to become Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California initiative law. Others had no idea their registration was being changed.
It is a bait-and-switch scheme familiar to election experts. The firm hired by the California Republican Party — a small company called Young Political Majors, or YPM, which operates in several states — has been accused of using the tactic across the country.
Election officials and lawmakers have launched investigations into the activities of YPM workers in Florida and Massachusetts. In Arizona, the firm was recently a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit. Prosecutors in Los Angeles and Ventura counties say they are investigating complaints about the company.
Posted by: Jwench | October 18, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
While many other countries in world is trying hard to better themselves academically, intellectually, economically…, we are happy to be just the “average”. If we continue to hold on to this false sense of superiority and refuse to look and think out of the box, then please, step aside and let other country lead. One cannot demand respect but commend respect. If we think Sarah just-an-average Palin is the one to represent and re-iginte the American Dream, all I can say is “dream on…!” God bless America.
Posted by: Very Concerned | October 18, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
Can you imagine John McCain cabinet? scarier
Posted by: t.v.eddie | October 18, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
I wonder what Sarah Palin thinks of the 9/11 firefighters – including the ones who gave up their lives. After all, they were New Yorkers. Does she think they weren’t patriotic?
Posted by: mara | October 19, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
I’m getting a bit tired of these politicians who think that only small towns and rural areas are where “real Americans” live. Doesn’t anyone else find that insulting? My husband and I were both born & raised and con’t to live in NYC and we’re probably more patriotic and “real” than Sarah Palin and her pro-secessionist husband.
Posted by: Rose Marie | October 19, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
Tim,
You have learned a lot from Sarah Palin. You ignore the questions you don’t want to address and try to frame the discussion according to your own opinion. Just to get your question answered: No, I don’t believe the govt. screws up everything it does. Now, can we get back to the real point. Is McPalin qualified to be President?
Posted by: Dr. Mari | October 19, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am
I don’t know where “very concerned” gets his/her information. I changed party affiliations and it was a standard form. You have to choose which party you wish to join and then sign the form. You cannot be tricked into picking the word “Republican” if you don’t want to.
Posted by: AK grandma | October 19, 2008, 6:05 am 6:05 am
Web search Alaska federal lands. you will see that you can’t even put a road between two towns without crossing federal land. While waiting for permission to put that road in, you have to also fight in the courts with all the environmental groups in the nation. This partially explains why almost all Alaskans at one time or another have paid lip service to the idea of secession. But when Alaska want to manage their fisheries, lumber, oil, etc., we have to deal with people who know absolutely nothing about the state. I have talked to people from the lower 48 that don’t even know what hemisphere Alaska is in–and because most of our land is federal owned, that means that idiot may actually have a say in what we do here. The fact that Todd Palin belonged to a party (AIP) back in the late 90′s only tells me he got fed up with the restrictions at that point and reacted by changing politcal parties. He changed back to undeclared in 2002. He may not even have known that the AIP stand for secession. I’m sure that there is much more than that in their parties platform. Do you know everything in your parties platform? I really doubt that you do. But to use the fact that he was at one time a member of AIP to “prove” that his wife is unpatriotic is ludicrous. I read the statement in our state election pamphlet from the AIP and it said nothing about secession. It said they are for bringing the troops home now, defending the US boarders from illegal entry, pro 2nd ammendment, pro life, against free trade agreements and for energy independence. Sounds pretty radica to me.
Posted by: AK grandma | October 19, 2008, 6:49 am 6:49 am
I do not point out Palin’s palling around with members of the AIP a secessionist party with ties to the KKK. There are times in youth that one experiments with ideology. The problem is, how can you do this and then point out as a weakness a friendship with an antiwar group member of the Vietnam war era. American has not forgotten the political dynamics of the war in Vietnam and there is not one among us who were of draft age who did not protest or have associates who protested the war and subsequent draft.The same cannot be said of the KKK. I personalty have associated been friends with former members of the KKK although I am diametrically opposed to their stated goals.Hypocrisy is at the foundation of the problem most have with Palin.If you want to have a person in the position of vice president with hypocrisy as a stated theme then vote for Palin.
Posted by: riddelup | October 19, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
In the interest of full disclosure, McCain should explain his relationship with “Joe the Plumber.” Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. Now retired, the elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.
Posted by: jac | October 19, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Palin’s most patriotic move is DROP OUT for America!!
Posted by: newz4i | October 19, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
The worst VP pick ever. She will be the reason John McCain loses.
Posted by: whynot | October 19, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
I THINK THAT THERE IS AT LEAST ONE THING THAT YOU CAN SAY WITH CERTAINTY: SARAH HAS ALWAYS BEEN PROUD OF HER COUNTRY.
Posted by: Ron | October 19, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
If Sarah Palin so loves her country as she says. Then why was she a member of AIP along with her husband Todd.This outfit wanted to take Alaska and make it a country of it’s own They Sarah and Todd hung around with a terriost who lost his life buying material to make bombs to use against America. He stated that he hates America and doesn’t want his bones buried in America.
Posted by: Thomas Gialamas | October 19, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Palin’s ties to the Alaska Independence Party seem to be off-limits for most of the media. How else could Palin get away with the insinuation that Barack Obama does not sufficiently love America while she herself has long standing ties to AIP?
With Palin slights on the patriotism of many Americans, and recent comments by Michelle Bachmann, we are witnessing, as Katrina van den Heuvel put it, the rebirth of McCarthyism. John McCain is perfectly content to go along with this.
Posted by: JonathanU | October 19, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
WHERE ARE THE REST OF SARAH PALIN’S TAX RETURNS?
Palin owes America 8 more years of her tax records, like the other three candidates. So far, Ms. Palin, who loves attacking Obama on tax plans, has shown that she herself doesn’t like to pay taxes and is possibly even guilty of “fixing” her tax returns.
The election is just over two weeks away – - WHEN IS AMERICA GOING TO GET TRANSPARENCY ON THE REST OF PALIN’S TAX RETURNS?
Posted by: AMCNYC | October 19, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm