By Natalie Gewargis

Oct 15, 2008 1:38pm

Poll Cats: New Battleground Polls

From Time/CNN:

COLORADO: Obama 51, McCain 47
FLORIDA: Obama 51, McCain 46
GEORGIA: McCain 53, Obama 45
MISSOURI: McCain 49, Obama 48
VIRGINIA: Obama 53, McCain 43

- jpt

User Comments

obama is not a true American — he’s just not. he’s a political opportunist with an ego the size of Alaska. that’s all. no worse than George Bush (which is pretty bad).
America will still be here on November 5th even if Obama wins (which he wont).
And we’ll still be a great country with smart, free people.
Smart enough to know the polls are bogus as is usual.

Posted by: HP Boston | October 15, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

Looking good but keep the pressure on Obama supporters.
Make phone calls, canvass your neighborhood, donate to the campaign.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

From Time/CNN:
lol lol lol…….have another cup of kol aid!

Posted by: HP Boston | October 15, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

“obama is not a true American — he’s just not.”
HP Boston is not a true American.
He’s a right winger a diseased form of political animal that is an unfortunate and shameful aspect of our political culture.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

Things are really going to far now! Huff post reports on Rush Limbaughs recent radio commentary on blacks.It is so blatantly rascist and ties Obama & all blacks to militancy …if the media doesnt finally take a strong stand on this horrible rhetoric then it is being totally irresponsible. If this type of broadcast isnt inciting violence against blacks then nothing is! Free speech is one thing…promoting hatred is another!!

Posted by: Dee | October 15, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Okay, HP – Whatever you say. Now, just admit it – McCain doesn’t have a clue, and Palin is even worse. You really want to put America in their hands? You have got to be delirious.

Posted by: geecee | October 15, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Hey Ryan– I voted for Obama today and will again tomorrow. Hows that for support?

Posted by: noah in cleveland | October 15, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Since Time/CNN is dismissed for no reason by right wingers
Colorado
Suffolk Obama +4
Quinnipiac/WSJ/WP Obama +9
Ind Adv/Poll Position Obama +6
FOX News/Rasmussen Obama +6
Virginia
FOX News/Rasmussen Obama +3
PPP (D) Obama +8
SurveyUSA Obama +10
Suffolk Obama +12
Florida
Ind Adv/Poll Position Obama +4
FOX News/Rasmussen Obama +5
Research 2000 Obama +5
Strategic Vision (R) Obama +8
Mason-Dixon Obama +2

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

PALIN UNAWARE OF RUSSIAN OIL MEETING IN ALASKA………Palin has argued that her state’s proximity to Russia, as well as trade missions between Alaska and Russia, have helped give her the foreign policy experience necessary to be Vice President. But the campaign said the governor did not know that the Gazprom delegation was meeting with the commissioner of the Alaska Department of Natural Resources, who is a Palin appointee

Posted by: says it all | October 15, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

There has been a great betrayal in the Democratic Party this year. Millions of Democrats are feeling it, and no Democratic Party leader is currently addressing it. This resounding silence is unfortunate. Not merely because betrayal causes pain. But because in betrayal lies opportunity. If betrayal is recognized and heeded, acknowledged promptly, and fully apologized for, it offers a chance for reconciliation on terms of clearer understanding. The only way betrayal can be handled squarely, straightforwardly, and immediately is for the betrayer to fully appreciate and understand the harm he or she has inflicted on the betrayed. That full appreciation and understanding demonstrates that the betrayer has learned something, something vital to those who have been betrayed: he or she has learned to inhabit their perspective and in so doing to change his or her own. And this can bring the betrayer and the betrayed closer together. Thus betrayers and betrayed can transcend the problem and cooperate anew.
But betrayal also presents another possibility. Gone unaddressed and unredressed it festers, causes further alienation and mistrust in the betrayed, who gradually feel warranted in denying cooperation at all. Historical examples of this pattern – of betrayal ignored and the betrayed moving on – include the reaction of the American colonists, who believed that the British parliament and then the British king continually betrayed both the Americans and the ideal of British law and politics; the reaction of the Indian people who faced with repeated disappointment in the unfulfilled promises of the British Raj sparked Gandhi’s first experiment in political noncooperation.
Over and over this political season, the DNC and Senator Obama have betrayed millions of Democratic voters by refusing to count their votes, by refusing to hold a non-rigged convention, by pretending unity when there is not unity.
A time comes when silence is betrayal. –quoted by Martin Luther King in his address “Beyond Vietnam – A Time To Break Silence”
From the earliest days of the primary season – when not one man running for the Democratic nomination and not one DNC leader acknowledged, let alone condemned, the misogynistic and sexist portrayals of Senator Clinton – to the present moment – when Senator Obama, who claims the polls have made it clear his November victory is secure, cannot stop long enough to acknowledge his own betrayals and deceits and thus to show that he can not only win this election but win it without leaving a badly splintered Party in his path, the Democratic Party leadership has shown that it does not understand or appreciate the betrayal that has been experienced by millions of Democrats.

Posted by: HP Boston | October 15, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

HP boston,
Do you really think Maccain and Palin are smart?
Are you serious?
One more question, can you tell me what is true American by your standard?

Posted by: zen | October 15, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

When the polls consist of 40% Democrats, 30% Republican and 30% Independents,
What a surprise it leans obama

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | October 15, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

all you have to do is look at obama’s record to see what a sham he is….
while you’re looking, could you find out what happened to Vera Baker?

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | October 15, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

HP… what are you talking about.
All the Democrats I know are STOKED!

Posted by: Blip | October 15, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

“When the polls consist of 40% Democrats, 30% Republican and 30% Independents,
What a surprise it leans obama”
Polls are weighted by voter demographics to correspond to actual numbers among the population.
Also 40% Dem, 30% GOP, 30% Indy is fairly close to true registration numbers (which are more like 40 to 45% Dem, 30 to 35% GOP, 25 to 30% Indy.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

And we’ll still be a great country with smart, free people and Republicans.

Posted by: mudge007 | October 15, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

“all you have to do is look at obama’s record”
Helping the poor, fighting against injustice and corruption, intelligence coupled with excellent judgement.
I agree. It is quite a record.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Close race
Now if there is not extensives voter Fraud.

Posted by: seah | October 15, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

“all you have to do is look at obama’s record”
Helping the poor, fighting against injustice and corruption, intelligence coupled with excellent judgement.
I agree. It is quite a record.
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 15, 2008 2:05:25 PM
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Get real!! I sure hope they are paying you good to spread all your bs.

Posted by: Bidy | October 15, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

read his records, not his press releases…..
BTW….what are the chances that obama and ayers were soooo close that ayers could have had some hand in writing a bit of that Memoir….
HHAHAHAHAH

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | October 15, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

It’s 3 weeks to the election….
McCain is behind the polls….
I wonder where all these bizarre smears are coming from.
Do not believe ANYTHING the Republicans say…
if Republican rallies are filled with people shouting about killing Obama… you know there are many, many more who would be willing to lie about him.

Posted by: Blip | October 15, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

vera baker is a very pretty woman….
maybe too pretty for m.obama,
Nice to retire so young,
and to such a beautiful island…
where’s all that money coming from….
chicago?

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | October 15, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

In the end… McCain is going to lose precisely because of the outlandish campaign he is running.
I am no longer concerned about the election.
I am concerned about the consequences of the negative campaign.
America does not need another Columbine or Oklahoma City tragedy.

Posted by: Blip | October 15, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

What is not understandable is the fact that so many people including the many media are frenzily backing up The Candidate whose U.S.-born citizenship status is suspicious.

Posted by: Ted | October 15, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

vera baker is a very pretty woman….
maybe too pretty for m.obama,
Nice to retire so young,
and to such a beautiful island…
where’s all that money coming from….
chicago?
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | Oct 15, 2008 2:13:02 PM
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The money may be coming from Chicago now, but if elected it will be coming out of ALL our pockets? Anything would be prettier than Michelle and not look so mean.

Posted by: Bidy | October 15, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

GEORGIA: McCain 53, Obama 45
Yeah… your really showin em’ now Mr. Maverick..
go get em’ …. gosh darn it … you betcha

Posted by: Blue | October 15, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

Here a website with a lot of information on ACORN from the Employment Policies Institute in Washington.
The ACORN manual was quoted: “This is a mass organization where might makes right”.
And, from founding ACORN organizer, Gary Delgado:
“Of course they thought we were going to register Republicans. We did not register a single Republican voter in that election. However, we did use those resources early on to build the organization…that money enabled us to hire our first additional organizer after me.”

Posted by: HP Boston | October 15, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

What ever happened to Republican values?
Honor? Morality? Ethics?
Nothing to run on except for hate and innuendos and outright lies.

Posted by: Blip | October 15, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

We’ll see you on Nov. 4th. Let’s get this show on the ROAD people! It will be massive and I want to play a part in history. Let’s show them what unity can do. Let the people decide. Every vote counts! This is our time!
Obama 08

Posted by: Tanya | October 15, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

“What is not understandable is the fact that so many people including the many media are frenzily backing up The Candidate whose U.S.-born citizenship status is suspicious.”
As I said on the other blog, just because John McCain was born in the Panam Canal zone does not make him ineligible for the office of President.
Stop spreading that garbage.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

Virginia? Obama +10?
Oh man. McCain needs a bowout tonight. I would advise Obama to play it safe.

Posted by: Vanessa | October 15, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

The election hasn’t even happened yet… and the Republicans are already acting like sore losers.
Unhinged.

Posted by: Blip | October 15, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

McCain is a gambler… he’s going to go all in until Nov. 4th.
I predict that he is going to lose November 4th….
And come out of the ordeal so tarnished… that he will lose his senate seat, too.

Posted by: Blip | October 15, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

If McCain loses it won’t be because we were not informed about Barack Hussien Obama. It is so amazing that so many people can be so stupid. What is driving this madness? Our country is in trouble and our pocketbooks are important, but it we are not safe we won’t need a pocketbook. Think about our children and their children and what will our world as we know it now be if we are taken over by someone we do not know. Yes, McCain may not be the best, but at least we don’t have to wonder just what is around the corner with someone that is very questionable.
In my circle I will not listen to the bitching about Barack Hussien Obama..
I will just say “I told you so”.

Posted by: Bidy | October 15, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Best part? As it stand now ALL Obama needs is ONE of those states to wrap it up!

Posted by: Deanna | October 15, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

So are those of you in the press going to stop doing stories about how Obama can’t “close the deal” and now report that he has?

Posted by: Will | October 15, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

COLORADO, FLORIDA, GEORGIA, MISSOURI and VIRGINIA: Let’s make it a landslide. How about it! November 4th.
Obama 08

Posted by: Tanya | October 15, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

bidy
re: ‘If McCain loses it won’t be because we were not informed about Barack Hussien Obama.’
when…..John ..Sidney.. McCain loses, it will be because he is not trusted on the issues, his political party is bereft of ideas, he has shown himself to be a liar..and he condones extremism.

Posted by: Blue | October 15, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

I love the posts around here. ‘McCain needs a miracle at the debate…Obama should play it safe…’ etc. Yeah, that’s what I’m looking for in a leader, someone who only stands up when it’s safe and hangs back at tenuous moments.
“Shhhh…are they (fill in the blank) gone yet?”
“Yes, President Obama, it’s safe to come out from under your desk.”
“Shhh…”

Posted by: Shhhh | October 15, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

Bidy – The CIA checked Obama already… where have you been. Everybody knows all candidates must get check first before they could even run for PRESIDENT… Duhhhh
OBAMA 08

Posted by: Tanya | October 15, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

Conservative commentators George Will, David Brooks, Charles Krauthammer, and, gasp, William Kristol, dump McCain as they begin to prepare for regrouping in the Republican exile from power.
McCain at this point resembles the TV character Bret Maverick played by James Garner, as described in the series theme song: “Maverick is the name.
**Didn’t you see the special? The Maverick family who still lives in Texas said they don’t like John McCain and even though they can’t, they would like him to stop using their family name. He’s not a maverick! lol I thought that was funny

Posted by: maverick wants name back | October 15, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

From what I am hearing outside blogosphere, the question of whether ‘white America’ is ready to elect a black president has been transformed by all the rhetoric and accusations of being ‘racist’ if one does not vote for Obama, and the threats of violent riots or race war if he is not elected.
The question, now ,is whether ‘white’ America will ALLOW this man to be the first black president. Perhaps, if he had been honest about who he really is from the start. But it’s way too late for that.
Now, the answer is an emphatic and resounding “NO!”
Not THIS black man with his hate-spewing wife.
McCain doesn’t ‘appear’ to be fighting back because he knows he doesn’t HAVE to. Why do you think he has that smug kind of grin on his face all the time.
Sorry, BO, but not THIS time. You should have known that when you call someone a name, they will play the game. You called Whiteys ‘racist’ and now they are rising up to prove you RIGHT. Good-bye, Barack. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.!!!!!!!

Posted by: HP Boston | October 15, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

HP Boston: No one is talking black and white around here….only you. So go back to Boston! There are people who do not look at someone’s color but their character. You ain’t from round here!! and yes I’m white!

Posted by: Tanya | October 15, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

Obama was out for a walk one day. He came across a young girl with a box full of puppies. Obama asked what kind of puppies they were. The young girl said “they are Democrat puppies”. Obama smiled and continued on.
Six weeks later Obama went walking again. The girl was there again with the puppies, much bigger now. He noticed she had a sign that said “Republican puppies for sale”. Obama, shocked asked the girl “why did you tell me that they were Democrat puppies 6 weeks ago?” She said, they were, but now they have their eyes open.

Posted by: HP Boston | October 15, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Vote Obama YES!

Posted by: Tanya | October 15, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

The truth it startling, and Obama does not want you to know the truth. It is unfathomable what is really happening here at this time in America. We cannot get honest, true journalism from ABC, NBC, CBS and many other news outlets. We Americans must dig deep to find the truth. Thank God there are intelligent people like me who DO search for the truth, and the truth here is appalling. Obama should not be running for President. He is not what he claims to be. Great article. Thank you Tony Blankley.

Posted by: ml | October 15, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

“Obama not only outspent McCain three-to-one on television advertisements between Oct. 7 and Oct. 13, but he dramatically increased his disbursements in a wide swath of red states”
Kicking McSame butt all over!

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

Bidy – The CIA checked Obama already… where have you been. Everybody knows all candidates must get check first before they could even run for PRESIDENT… Duhhhh
OBAMA 08
Posted by: Tanya | Oct 15, 2008 2:36:20 PM
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Yeah, I am sure he has a security clearance since he is a black democrat and backed with mega money. This president is being bought with money not what he stands for. Like I said, if he is elected I will get to say “I told you so.”

Posted by: Bidy | October 15, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

HP Boston: No one is talking black and white around here….only you. So go back to Boston! There are people who do not look at someone’s color but their character. You ain’t from round here!! and yes I’m white!
Posted by: Tanya | Oct 15, 2008 2:43:26 PM
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HP Boston….Keep it up, at least you have got their attention, what little attention they have. Tanya, you sure don’t sound like the whites I know.

Posted by: Bidy | October 15, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

Tidy: I’m one of the good ones!! There’s a whole lot of us!
Obama 08

Posted by: Tanya | October 15, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

HP Boston,
Yes. McCain was up in the polls and suddenly the media started printing all these Obama will lose because of racism accusations. Almost overnight the polls changed. That tells me the true vote is a lot a different that what some people think it is. The more liberal the pollster the bigger the spread.

Posted by: geevill | October 15, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

“Yes. McCain was up in the polls and suddenly the media started printing all these Obama will lose because of racism accusations. Almost overnight the polls changed.”
The fairy tales right wingers tell themselves….
Obama began to gain on McCain when Palin started getting interviewed. After the world saw what a moron she was, the polls began to slide in Obama’s favor.
There have been two more shifts,
1 dealing with McCain’s desperate non suspension of his campaign to deal with the economy and the other being fallout from McCain’s nasty personal attacks.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

Blue – I don’t know… it might be a river :))))
That was a good one!
OBAMA 08

Posted by: Tanya | October 15, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Polls looking great for Obama!
GOOD LUCK TO HIM TONIGHT!

Posted by: Kathy | October 15, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

ACORN Investigation Grows Deeper
Updated: Oct 14, 2008 06:29 PM
There are now two investigations in Nevada into the community advocacy group called ACORN — one by the Secretary of State and the second by the Nevada Department of Corrections. One is looking into possible voter registration fraud and identity theft by ACORN and the other is looking at how inmates were hired to register voters.
According to a spokesman for the Secretary of State, both investigations may connect. The spokesman adds that the state is doing everything possible to finish them before the election

Posted by: HP Boston | October 15, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

“AND WILL NOT SIT BY AND LET THE DEMS AND THE MSM SPREAD LIES!”
Yeah! That’s HP Boston’s job, stupid MSM!
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 15, 2008 3:13:46 PM
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HP Boston……Keep up the good posts.
You have got them reading them, maybe they will learn something. Think Ryan C. just might be a member of the MSM since the MSM are the ones that deny and put spin on all comments and factual items put out about Barack Hussien Obama.

Posted by: Bidy | October 15, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

The RNC is conceding defeat in WI & ME and realizing the need to play defense.
“The RNC’s independent arm is going off the air in Wisconsin and Maine and is preparing to buy ads in Colorado and Missouri, another sign of the demand that Republican’s defend red states.”

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

HP Boston,
Yes. McCain was up in the polls and suddenly the media started printing all these Obama will lose because of racism accusations. Almost overnight the polls changed. That tells me the true vote is a lot a different that what some people think it is. The more liberal the pollster the bigger the spread.
Posted by: geevill | Oct 15, 2008 3:06:38 PM
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Yep geevill, well debate tonight and I will rest from the pureed rhetoric tomorrow. We will let the inmates rule in this asylum.
I am out for today, useless but fun to rile them with stuff they just do not care to question. I must say I used to be a die hard Dem thought the Republicans were poison, well not this time! The Dems make them look like cub scouts!
The polls tightened again today. Good posting you are well informed and a pleasure to know.

Posted by: HP Boston | October 15, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

These poll numbers must be why the McCain campaign has been inflating their rally attendance numbers again.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

ACORN Investigation Grows Deeper
Updated: Oct 14, 2008 06:29 PM
There are now two investigations in Nevada into the community advocacy group called ACORN — one by the Secretary of State and the second by the Nevada Department of Corrections. One is looking into possible voter registration fraud and identity theft by ACORN and the other is looking at how inmates were hired to register voters.
According to a spokesman for the Secretary of State, both investigations may connect. The spokesman adds that the state is doing everything possible to finish them before the election
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.

Posted by: HP Boston | October 15, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

“The polls tightened again today”
ROFLMAO!

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

Obama not only outspent McCain three-to-one on television advertisements between Oct. 7 and Oct. 13, but he dramatically increased his disbursements in a wide swath of red states”….
… and what about that large disbursement of Obama’s to A C O R N.
what do you think THAT was for, hmmmmm?

Posted by: hmmmmm | October 15, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

“The Alaska state Personnel Board investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin’s firing of Walt Monegan as public safety commissioner has broadened to include other ethics complaints against the governor and examination of actions by other state employees, according to the independent counsel handling the case.
The investigator, Tim Petumenos, did not say who else is under scrutiny. But in two recent letters describing his inquiry, he cited the consolidation of complaints and the involvement of other officials as a reason for not going along with Palin’s request to make the examination of her activities more public.
Two other ethics complaints involving Palin are known. One, by activist Andree McLeod, alleges that state hiring practices were circumvented for a Palin supporter. The case is not related to Monegan’s firing. The other, by the Public Safety Employees Association, alleges that trooper Mike Wooten’s personnel file was illegally breached by state officials.”
Filed under be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

“and what about that large disbursement of Obama’s to A C O R N.
what do you think THAT was for, hmmmmm”
Obama paid Citizen Services Inc. around $800K for canvassing efforts this spring.
Bring on the next fake right wing scandal.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

ryanc:
“Obama paid Citizen Services Inc. around $800K for canvassing efforts this spring. ”
They paid ACORN over $800,000 for “canvassing” and literally changing the canvas of the election by messing with the voter registration rolls and in so doing, they have painted a totally false .. and fraudulent picture!
Is this the kind of change we can look forward to should B O win?
hmmmmmmmmm?

Posted by: hmmmmm | October 15, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

“Isn’t it remarkable that a governor who entered the fray with an 80 percent approval rating”
Her approval rating has been dropping like a stone ever since she has embarrassed Alaska by being a complete moron.
Now she might get impeached.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

“They paid ACORN over $800,000 for “canvassing” ”
They paid Citizen Service Inc..
At least get the basic facts of your smear right.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

come on Ryan:
“Citizen Service Inc..” is a PART
of Acorn!!!!!
and acorns never land far from the tree….. not even rotten ones.

Posted by: hmmmmm | October 15, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

“”Citizen Service Inc..” is a PART
of Acorn!!!!!”
Yes, its a specific subsidiary tasked with doing specific tasks like voter canvassing (ie: knocking on doors and taking surveys) and they did that work this spring.
They were not paid for voter registration.
I know its hard looking at your candidate getting blown out on the polls and hoping against hope that some scandal will take Obama down but its not going to happen.
You are being played by the right wing media which does not care if you are humiliated when called out for repeating lies.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

RYAN:
“YOU are being played by the left wing media which does not care if you are humiliated when called out for repeating lies.”

Posted by: hmmmmm | October 15, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

Folks the candidates are all good and capable! Let’s just wait for the results come Nov 4

Posted by: Root crop | October 15, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

‘Helping the poor, fighting against injustice and corruption, intelligence coupled ……….’
and is he faster then a speeding bullet?
able to jump higher than the tallest building?
run faster than a speeding train?
Then his name is “superman” and B O is just a “pretender” an empty sham is what he am…….
Shucks!
I knew that all along!

Posted by: hmmmmm | October 15, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

If Obama wins, get ready for the Amtrak economy, popularity in Europe, and trouble brewing in Iran, Iraq, and the PDRK. Can’t wait to see those summits…they are gonna love Obama.
Tax plan will change once he is in office…spending will be high…gas on the fire.
Cuts will expire…your boss will think more about cutting your job if he is in a “small” business above $250K GROSS a year. HUGE bu
If its a C-corp or S-Corp, he or she already is, because Obama makes no bones about jacking the rate back up…
Come back at me with all the plan spin you like…we shall see.
Will he investigate Bush for war crimes? He said he would. Will he create a civilian corps as big as the military? He said he would…what does that mean?
See results of Annenberg challenge for blueprint of his success with education reform. More “grass roots” enlightenment of awareness of oppression, no change in performance…
Hey I like that! Obama / Biden – Amtrak Economy…

Posted by: Wade | October 15, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

“your boss will think more about cutting your job if he is in a “small” business above $250K GROSS a year. ”
Obama’s 50% health credit for small business health plans, hiring incentives & no capital gains taxes on small biz investment more than offset any taxes for the small biz owner on income.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

What is this obsession with ACORN?
1) The Obama campaign paid ACORN $800,000 to canvass (not register voters) during the primaries.
2) They’ve had no role in the Obama voter registration drive and no role in the Obama campaign.
3) ACORN is required to return all voter registration forms to local registrars. Before doing so, ACORN reviews registrations and identifies any they believe to be problematic.
4) If anyone’s getting ripped off, it’s ACORN which has been paying people to register voters and getting scammed in return.
5) If ACORN is such a nefarious, criminal enterprise, why was McCain their 2006 keynote speaker? Why did he tell them they were part of what made America great?
6) This is voter registration rather than vote fraud. I trust that all of you who are so concerned with ACORN’s voter registration screw ups will be equally concerned about maintaining the integrity of the actual voting and vote counting processes.
We’ve had some real problems with those parts of the process during the last eight years and they haven’t had a thing to do with ACORN.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 15, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

Ryan, you got the cut and paste down…you may win and if so I will congratulate you. (cross fingers no, looking pretty bleak though…you never know, the polls might be funky as they were in the primaries toward the end…)
We shall see on Obama’s miracle cures, color me skeptical.
What if you have a “medium” business? What is a non-small business according to Obama’s plan? Any credits there? Where does the small business category end? Details? Also, why only small businesses? Look I know that the “middle class” is the “engine” that does everything, but medium and large businesses do something too, right? What about HUGE businesses who are going to get taxed more, up to 5% more than now…is that an incentive to recreate the manufacturing base in the US,that everyone is always crying about?
My plan would be to allow business a lower tax rate of 25%, BUT only allow the companies to pay their share in foreign taxes, and then the rest to the US. So if they paid 15% in Belarus or whatever, they would pay 10% to the US…for 25% total. I dunno just an idea I had…we can argue about how much, of course…
Businesses that are not involved in investment do not see a benefit from a capital gains elimination…so what Obama is offering is “small” investment houses over $250K and under ? and maybe some VERY small real estate companies would benefit..are there a lot of those?…that is basically like giving almost nothing.
And the green jobs? We shall see…sounds like a monorail type situation to me…lot of cost, some benefit, not a miracle cure by any means. Let the waters begin receding…can’t wait to see Obama try to wiggle out of every failure. Just like a lawyer…

Posted by: Wade | October 15, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

“What if you have a “medium” business? What is a non-small business according to Obama’s plan? Any credits there? Where does the small business category end? Details? Also, why only small businesses”
Small business is the primary job creation engine in this country.
Obama does not plan on raising corporate taxes (though he will not cut them as McCain will).
What he will do is remove tax breaks for companies that move jobs off shore and create tax incentives for keeping jobs here.
The elimination of capital gains is for small business. Small business is a classification by the government(don’t have the qualifier off hand) but its not limited to under $250K.
I agree there are no miracles cures but hear me out on this Wade.
Tax cuts for the middle class put more income in the hands of the largest market of buyers of goods.
Tax cuts for small biz investments and assistance and health care means more jobs created.
Both of those things tend to spur an economy.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

Agreed, but you are wrong on Obama’s tax plan…I appreciate you reaching out to me on this.
He will “eliminate loopholes” that means a raise…because that’s how businesses get the taxes down to a reasonable level…there won’t be a corresponding cut. Plus that is about as generic a statement as can be. Same with “Maverick(y)” to be fair…
Small businesses can make well over 250K and still be “small,” believe me.
I have seen businesses much bigger than that struggle…
My point is, what is the specific level where you don’t get the credit? $300K? Is that too big?
You also didn’t address his upper limit…he doesn’t have one…I can’t find it anyway.
Also, this mantra about small businesses and the “middle class” is great, I agree they are *awesome*, but what about medium and even big? Don’t they do anything? What about Apple and Google…they are big and good right? Don’t tell me they would turn down a cut and be able to be more profitable and do more stuff that’s “good”
Sorry, I used to see it your way, but I have seen too many tax situations where a nice chunk for someone who worked hard and is frugal, not rich by any means, but fairly well off, got turned into…eh, better than nothing, sorry. And the results? Who knows? It’s like throwing your money into a whirlwind…it removes incentive to do well.
It’s particularly worrisome when Obama has a history of allowing money to go to unproven and sketchy orgs…see the real results of the Annenberg challenge (nothing achieved, consciousness raised big time). Just say “organizer” and people think you are Jesus. Well at least Laura Linney does. :)
I am just extremely skeptical of Obama’s promises…I don’t buy em. He can’t do everything and balance the budget too.
I would rather have McCain and Giuliani in there (I know, wishful thinking, thanks to the pro-life folks) who would at least do less and get out of the way to a greater extent, plus McCain would handle the war better. Obama is lucky, he gets to take credit for what McCain achieved by demanding more troops. Of course, if things still sucked over there as bad as last year, Obama wins because he could say the measures were a failure just like he said…he may just be the dems teflon, with the help of the easy softballs by the press…
Random thoughts
BTW, I just don’t buy that people can’t do anything, the attitude is like we are in the 19th century working in coal mines…Obama went to school, I went to school and you probably went to school…we did it, wasn’t super easy, but there has to be some kind of effort…
I don’t like the idea that 71% of Obama supporters do not believe that Supreme Court rulings should not be based on the Constitution, but what’s “right”
That gets scary–who decides? Who decides what ability and need are?
I don’t want Howard Zinn to be the FIRST book students read, but one in the middle after some other stuff like Ambrose. Get me? Challenge but do not usurp, because that is throwing the baby out…we are the best of the worst, by far.

Posted by: Wade | October 15, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

Wade,
As a cheap cop out, I must leave.
But it is always a pleasure.
But I want to go into taxes on business beyond small business and I understand your concern with them restraining a recession pullout.
Say tomorrow? Find me here and we can go over it.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm

Electoral votes. 270 needed
to win.
Bam 277
Mac 174
Up for grabs 87

Posted by: anon | October 15, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

Ryan C:
Understood…talk tomorrow…

Posted by: Wade | October 15, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm

If you believe those state poll numbers, I have a bridge to sell you. Americans are not stupid (well, most anyway) and they will not elect a Communist. They know better. These polls are meant to keep McCain supporters home because they will think it his hopeless, Obama has this locked. They couldn’t be more wrong. Just wait for the turnout and the rush by Americans to make sure a Chavez or Castro does not win this election. Go McCain (even though I don’t like you either)

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