Power Goes Out During Obama Rally in Reno

Good job Obama!!!

Give it up JG……don’t you have NEW smears to run with?
President Barack Obama…has a great ring to it!!!

Thanks for the moment of levity, Jake.

Prove they paid ACORN. Not possible, cuz they didn’t.
On the other hand, $180K went to Doll Up Caribou Barbie instead of into much needed campaign ads in battleground states.
Clever strategy.
McCain = Fail

How many people do you think make 250,000 or more a year??

The New York Times reported recently that the average family in America with an income of $10 million or more received a half-million-dollar tax cut, while the middle class got crumbs (less than $100 shaved off their tax bill). If we examine the taxes paid in a static world—that is, if we assume that there was no change in behavior and economic performance as a result of the tax code—then these numbers are meaningful. Most of the tax cuts went to the super wealthy.
But Americans did respond to the tax cuts. There was more investment, more hiring by businesses, and a stronger stock market. When we compare the taxes paid under the old system with those paid after the Bush tax cuts, the rich are now actually paying a higher proportion of income taxes. The latest IRS data show an increase of more than $100 billion in tax payments from the wealthy by 2005 alone. The number of tax filers who claimed taxable income of more than $1 million increased from approximately 180,000 in 2003 to over 300,000 in 2005. The total taxes paid by these millionaire households rose by about 80 percent in two years, from $132 billion to $236 billion.

I am still wondering if people really think 250,000 a year is middle income. I would consider it well off income. What is considered poor??
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Excellent question. The answer determines where you live. $250,000 in San Francisco and other major cities will not take you near as far as $250,000 in Montgomery, Alabama.

No joke, Obama.
Typical when anything goes “wrong”; blame it on the McCain campaign.
It’s just not funny.
Obama’s persona is flat when it comes to humor. Simple as that.
Just read of the teleprompter; that’s Obama’s speed.
It’s sad. Even at the Alfred Smith dinner, Obama fell flat on the jokes. McCain outshined him 10 to 1.
Posted by: NielPA | Oct 25, 2008 2:19:28 PM
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You said it perfectly … that’s why I think McCain should run for the President of “Comedy Central”! He has no business being the POTUS!

@JG- 1-Do you get an earned income credit on your income tax? Do you think the earned income tax credit is socialistic? It is a part of the tax code and has been for years.
Did you even watch either of the original transcripts of the Obama/Joe interaction or the Biden speech that the two different soundbites were cherry picked from. I guess not because the context in which they were said was completely removed creating attack soundbites. Biden said that Obama has a spine of steel regarding his comment in that speech and Obama said if we grow our economy from the ground up that the wealth would spread around and give more money to spend for services to small businesses. If you choose to make soundbites your basis for opinions you do not see the whole issue.

Paige I agree. I live in upstate NY which as you know is a blue state. I am close to 60 and am disabled. Our total household income is just below 50,000. We own our modest home have a 2007 van and a 10 year old pickup. If we were to sell our home for 100,000 which would be a good price and moved almost anywhere else the same home would be 250,000 plus. It makes it difficult to know how a tax cut should be given out. Cost of livings are more in one area tan another, wages for the same work are much different from one area to another. I just feel with the top 25% of the population already accounting for 85% of the income tax revenue that spending control is needed more. I agree with McCain to put a spending freeze, assess and eliminate unnecessary programs, make government more efficent. I heard Biden proclaim in the vice pres. debate that “we are committed to doubling foreign aid but may have to postpone that for a bit” I would rather have McCain’s approach to cut foreign aid, especially to countrties that really don’t like us much. What is your view??

“Typical when anything goes “wrong”; blame it on the McCain campaign.”
why not, they’re usually the ones that have caused the problem, just like the republicans have caused the problems our country now faces.

“It takes more than “words” to become president. It takes judgement,”
Is that the “judgment displayed by McCain picking Palin as VP and possibly the next president?

why not, they’re usually the ones that have caused the problem, just like the republicans have caused the problems our country now faces.
It is amazing that you feel all the problems everywhere are caused by the party with the fewest members. The last democrat in the white house was impeached and couldn’t have possibly help to cause the problem. You need to check the facts on deregulating the mortgage industry. You need to check what Clinton had to say in Feb. 2000 about Iraq. Bottom line is we can take your criticizm because we know it comes from the uninformed on the facts, or non-believers of the facts. Your choice.

JOHN MCCAIN vs JOHN MCCAIN!
John McCain (2001) said “”I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief.”
Now barack Obama wants the top 2% of earners to go back the tax rate that John McCain VOTED TO KEEP.
But what is MOST striking about the debate over taxes is that Obama wants to return the top tax rate to the pre-Bush level and use that money to HELP THE MIDDLE CLASS.
Were the Clinton era taxes so bad? the economy added mongo jobs and inflation was low.
Were the Bush years better? Maybe for Joe the Hedge-fund Manager! Middle class wages, adjusted for inflation, FELL during the Bush years!

JR
Obviously you have no idea about Palin except what CNN spews. Maybe you should take time out and LISTEN to her. The media sure made a fine job into making Palin a insignificant candidate; and as usual most people fall for the media’s talking heads.
Obama’s judgement on Ayers, Wright, Renzko, etc. outweighs anything the media or Obama fans would throw at Palin.
Independents for McCain

Neil,
I agree…they have demonized her to the point where people no longer look at Obama’s lack of experience and judgement. I love the way the elitists have attacked middle class families during this campaign, but yet say “we’re fighting for you.” What a bunch of bs!

Power went out on that lying slimeball a long time ago. He’s nothing but a shadow of a man with nothing inside by a VERY LARGE EGO.

Oduma’s advisers have come full circle.
They spread so many lies, made so many contradictions that now they are starting to contradict themselves. Of course, Oduma hasn’t got a clue; he could be saying the wrong thing for days before a light went on inside his vacant attic.

Janice,
For example, Obama could say the economy is strong then contradict himself two hours later!
Most people who read a newspaper knew of the mortgage crisis and the potential damage to the credit market in February. Barack Obama mentioned it in speeches.
But not John McCain, he gave a standard Republican speech on economics this July where he said the danger to the market was regulation!
McCain, like Bush thinks that regulators should sleep on the job, after all, the MARKET CAN REGULATE ITSELF, right??

I SAY, RETURN THE TAX RATES to where they were in the Clinton Administration!
The Clinton record:
o High job growth. Check.
o Low interest rates. Check.
o Didn’t allow terrorists to blow up the world trade center. Check.
o Balanced budget. Check and check.
o No fool wondering around the debate stage like he lost his imaginary cat. Check.

A Veteran,
For my purposes, Obama’s definition works fine:
Income of $250,000 or less == middle class.
NOW ALL the Firemen, Teachers, Engineers, Waitresses, Single Moms, Police officers who make more than $250,000 raise your hand!
Because John McCain proved in the last debate that he is mostly concerned with those making over $250,000.
And Barack Obama proved that he is mostly concerned with the Middle Class.
We tried the Republican approach of $700,000 tax breaks for the fortunate few.
Let’s try a different idea: Give the middle class a break!

“No just impeached for perjury and obstructuction of justice.”
And the party that did that were punished in the next election.
“And the tax rate during his regime was 39%. It is 35% during Bush.”
‘I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief.’–John McCain, May 2001
“Most jobs created were government sponsored.”
FALSEHOOD.
Social security is a problem now because every president since Kennedy keeps borrowing the money from it and not intending to pay it back.
Unprovable question of intent. But here is a provable point: If you divert some of the Social Security taxes that currently pay for the Social Security checks going out, then the trust fund goes into technical default sooner and BY LAW when the trust fund goes into technical default, the benefits are reduced to the level equal to the SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES COMING INTO the system.
Therefore, when and if technical default does come, the checks will be reduced MORE if you have some workers diverting money to private accounts.”

Unprovable question of intent
Have you seen any of the 10+trillion debt being repaid yet. I think the intent is quite clear.

And the party that did that were punished in the next election.
We weren’t the party that had John Kerry as a candidate.
I guess your saying he shouldn’t have been impeached then. I guess thats why we need more democratic rule so we can turn our eyes away from unlawful behavior.

“You have no lower limits. Does that mean someone making 20,000 is middle class also?”
Make your own definition for the lower limit. Obama’s plans and McCain’s simply don’t have much difference for those below the middle class.
HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM:
John McCain keeps harping on how unfair it is to return the upper tax bracket to the pre-Bush level.
McCain voted against and TRASHED the tax cut when it came to a vote.
HE WAS RIGHT WHEN HE SAID THIS:
“”I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief.”–John McCain, May 2001
John McCain also said it would be more appropriate to keep the upper level where it was and use the money to lower the rate for the middle class ==> EXACTLY WHAT OBAMA HAS PROPOSED!!!
John McCain doesn’t have a tax policy. He has a self-hypocrite policy.
That is why he needs his conscience to remind him of the OLD (younger) John McCain.
A vet,

How much more than 85% of the tax revenue do you want the top 25% of earners to pay???

“Income of $250,000 or less == middle class. Now all you small business owners…”
The numbers are calling you a liar.
Only 2% of small busineses make $250,000 or more. Joe the plumber doesn’t. Not very many plumbers do.
Soak the middle class to feed the rich. Good Republican slogan there!
And people working 3 jobs are not making $250,000 either. Most of them are working multiple lower paying jobs.
and people who are working a couple of jobs to be able to live the American dream…. and those who have FINALLY made a chink your niche……
SIT DOWN.
We will give YOUR money to someone who,sadly earns only $15,000 a year because that is well below the poverty level…. and he needs it more.
We will give YOUR moen to someone who makes only $235,000.00 because, happily, he is not earning $250,000.00
and HE needs it more.
Trickle down economy is the REPUBLICAN notion of soaking the middle class for the benefit of the rich, dimwitt.
Wealth of the top 2% of Americans has doubled since 1980. Have inflation adjusted middle class wages? NOPE. They went up during the Clinton years and DOWN in the Bush years.
Barack Obama thinks the middle class need a break. John McCain is only worried about those making more than $250K.
GIVE THE MIDDLE CLASS a break now.
Trust us with our own money rather than spending it on tax breaks for millionaires.

My comments got mixed with anothers. Here is the corrected version:
“Income of $250,000 or less == middle class. Now all you small business owners…”
The numbers are calling you a liar.
Only 2% of small busineses make $250,000 or more. Joe the plumber doesn’t. Not very many plumbers do.
Soak the middle class to feed the rich. Good Republican slogan there!
And people working 3 jobs are not making $250,000 either. Most of them are working multiple lower paying jobs.
Trickle down economy is the REPUBLICAN notion of soaking the middle class for the benefit of the rich. Let’s try trickle up instead!
The wealth of the top 2% of Americans has doubled since 1980. Have inflation adjusted middle class wages? NOPE. They went up during the Clinton years and DOWN in the Bush years.
Barack Obama thinks the middle class need a break. John McCain is only worried about those making more than $250K.
GIVE THE MIDDLE CLASS a break now.
Trust us with our own money rather than spending it on tax breaks for millionaires.

HOW YOU KNOW that John McCain is a hypocrite:
John McCain has NOT proposed a flat tax plan.
It therefore follows that he supports some variation to the current wealthy person pays a higher tax rate policy.
ALSO, HE TRASHED the Bush tax cut and voted against it. Yet somehow going back to the pre-Bush tax rates (WHICH HE VOTED TO KEEP) is ‘redistributing wealth’.
“I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief.”–John McCain, May 2001

I note that none of the diehard lefties on here are disputing the outright lie that Biden told – the campaign never paid ACORN anything. Outright lie.
ACORN literature clearly states that CSI is “ACORN’s campaign arm”
Get your facts straight, lefties.

How you know Obama is a hypocrit:
Obama has NOT proposed a flat tax plan!

One thing all of you lefties and paid Obama commenters are ignoring:
It is impossible to build up a New New Deal (1 trillion in new social spending and welfare checks called “tax credits) on the backs of the top 5% only. There simply is not enough money.
One of three results:
1. The Dollar collapses because of a trillion dollar a year deficit and we have hyperinflation, destroying the economy for a decade.
2. Obama gets a clue and decides not to spend money America does not have (unlikely)
3. Obama pushes his definition of “rich” downward until he has enough funds to play societal recreator.
Truth hurts, lefties.

JG,
Huge tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans (the ones that McCain REJECTED before deciding it was a necesary condition for his ambition) can potentially hurt the budget more than spending.
Obama and McCain have promised new spending but McCain’s deficit projection looks worse than Obama’s simply because of his FREE MONEY policies towards corporations, upper bracket tax payers (and his future war with Russia — oops that is off budget, I forgot).
In any case, we have to decide what are the nation’s top priorities (I wouldn’t mind an end to the corn-ethanol subsidy) and use our resources to get there.
For example, if you want to move to renewable, American sources of energy, this will require investing in research and tax breaks, maybe even subsidies.
John F Kennedy sent men to the moon. But an Apollo like project costs money.

‘U.S. Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat’s campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports.’
‘subject, but one of the people he interviewed was not so gentle. In the article the RNC says:
“Barack Obama’s failure to accurately report his campaign’s financial records is an incredibly suspicious situation that appears to be an attempt to hide his campaign’s interaction with a left-wing organization previously convicted of voter fraud. For a candidate who claims to be practicing ‘new’ politics, his FEC reports look an awful lot like the ‘old-style’ Chicago politics of yesterday.”
‘Then, after reading this statement from the story, I have to agree with the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics spokesperson who said this:
“It’s rare that people don’t file any amended reports.“
‘In my opinion, you can’t accidentally type STAGE, LIGHTING AND SOUND when the bill from your vendor obviously says”Get-Out-The-Vote Organizing.”
“And then, on ten additional, separate occasions, make the same type of mistake on separate forms, followed by ADVANCE WORK entered when the bill says Get-Out-The-Vote Organizing or POLLING when the bill says ‘Get-Out-The-Vote Organizing’.”
“This, in my opinion, is noteworthy because it sounds like a pattern of lots and lots of amendments to the FEC reports.”
“The Obama campaign can amend their reports all they want. But, had observers not discovered this obfuscation, then the lies would have continued to the end of the campaign, as they sprayed tens of millions of innocent donor dollars through various groups to fund the ACORN-Obama grass-roots campaign, under the radar of the press and public.
It does not matter so much who or how many may claim to have been “blind” to these activities. It is my opinion that the Obama campaign knew they were misleading the public and that they have no intention of offering transparency unless pressed and challenged. And I challenge all seekers of justice to continue to challenge him every day.”
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snipped from the:
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review 10-02-08

The topic of my most previous post should have read:
“Obama Campaign’s Connection to ACORN and CSI”

“b o”
You last post was a waste of your time. We, the middle class, need a break.
Barack Obama wants to give a tax break to the middle class. John McCain only cares about those making over $250,000.
Easy for me and the rest of the middle class to make that choice!
You can draw, paint, sing songs, and make sonnets about acorn. I hope John McCain does, since that would just bring him off-message.

John McCain’s conscience :
All I asked of YOU, John, was an explanation of how trickle UP economy works.
I am totally curious, because it completely escapes my powers of imagination.
But then, I am neither a politician nor an economist.
Not only that, I’m in the middle class and heavens! I’ve still switched from Hillary to John McCain!

Maybe with better spending all of our taxes could go down.