Stephanopoulos: No Candidate Has Ever Lost with Obama’s Lead Over McCain

Breaking news, Obama has problems! Tony Rezko is now talking to the FBI about his connections to Chicago politicians! You won’t hear about this from ABC news!

Obama has the most negative and misleading campaign ads in the history of US politics, but how come the media does not report this.

We’ve now suffered 20 years of Lee Atwater style politics. Bush won twice by sharply dividing America. The McCain campaign, run by the same Bush/Rove Atwater disciples that spread disgusting rumors about McCain in S. Carolina in 2000 are running this campaign.
The LAST thing we need is division in this country. If nothing else happens, pray that this type of divisive politics is over -
Palin, GO HOME.

Breaking news: Rezko is talking to the FBI about Rod Blagojevich, the governor of Illinois, not Obama (that’s according to the Associated Press — look it up). For the billionth time, the Chicago press has raked over the information in this story for YEARS; Obama has met with investigative reporters from the Sun-Times and the Tribune, and he answered questions until they had no more questions, literally. They asked him everything they could think of. What did they conclude? That Obama should’ve set down and talked to them a long time ago, because it would’ve cleared up the mess faster. They also PRAISED Obama for his openness about the issue and said that it was a standard that all politicians should live by. Then on top of all that federal investigators found no evidence of wrongdoing on Obama’s part. They even tried to get Rezko to make up something about evidence, but Rezko said he wouldn’t “lie to save himself.” (look that up too). Although I have a feeling that these FACTS won’t stop the smears, here they are. You could save yourself a whole lotta heartburn if you stopped trying to smear Obama.

McCain is reaping what he sewed. The choice of Palin, who is really like a mayor of a large city (Alaska would have the population of the 17th largest U.S. City), has no international experience, has come off as a fool, being unable to state a magazine or newspaper she reads, thinks that if she can see a land mass, she knows the politics of those that live there, and although she has railed against “activist judges,” when asked whether she can name a Supreme Court case outcome she disagrees with, other than Roe V Wade, says “Roe V Wade.” Now McCain and Palin are the only two President and Vice Presidential nominees, who have violated ethics laws. Two great mavericks. They will do whatever it takes, as long as you don’t care about ethics. Thanks, but no thanks!

Republican last gasps: Rezko!
You know what Rezko did? He didn’t pay a home repair bill!
The penalty for not paying your home repair bill is a short prison term.
But what about McCain’s pals? Like Bush – who sent 4,180 Americans to their deaths for a lie?
The penalty for treason is…?

I got a suggestion for the McCain campaign. Make President Bush endorse Obama. That way McCain can tie Obama to the unpopular President.
I think that’s the most mavericky thing to do. I double dare you!

George Stephanopoulos Bows to Obama daily.
Is he on the Obama payroll
Is he going to Obama Press team

You’re underestimating John McCain’s neocon operatives.
I’m sure they’ve already figured out the most crucial states, and are perfecting their plans for voting machine fraud there.

McCain and all Republicans are about to reap the division and discord and stupidity that they have sewn over the last 14 years. I see in Ohio all these unemployed people who will vote for McCain. Don’t you people ever learn? It was Bush and his trickle down de-regulation policies that put you in the unemployment line. A McSame presidency would spell certain disaster for this country. OBAMA-BIDEN 2008

I simply cannot believe how ABC News had gone public for Obama. So many of us are through with ABC News. We knew Charles Gibson, Geoge Stephonopolus and Diane Sawyer were all very, very prejudiced where McCain is concerned but to say it on the air is not right. I, along with many people I know have never been asked who we are far. Poor old Joe Biden, what a farce.

Obama+promises+record=lies

The Record Newspaper Endorsement
For the first time in 72 years, The Record is endorsing a Democrat for president. The last one was Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1936. Endorsement of elected officials is a newspaper’s public service duty and we take it very seriously.
McCain is an American hero, and he has served this country in the Senate with determination. He has gone against his party, but the fact is his ties to the Bush administration and its policies are deep. Americans know we cannot keep going down this path. Baraka Obama has demonstrated time and again he can think on his feet. More importantly, he has demonstrated he will think things through, seek advice and actually listen to it.
In addition to his smarts and energy, possibly his greatest gift is his ability to inspire. Under this difficult time, these are qualities needed for a leader. Therefore, Barack Obama, a democrat is our choice for president of the United States.

I’m a conservative independent and will be voting for Obama. I am so sick and tired of Bush/Cheney and want a new direction for my country. Even if I have pay more taxes, it will be good for my country. Who’s going to pay for soldiers fighting in Iraq? Who’s going to pay to repair our crumbling roads and bridges? PLEASE, stop the divisive, negative ads! Shame on you McCain/Palin, you know they’re going to raise taxes on the middle and lower income people like they’ve been doing the last eight years. You know McCain/Palin will CUT taxes on the rich people only.

Ha Ha Ha !!: The race is within 4 points (Zogby/Reuters) and Gallup. Bradley effect in the polls now :-)

It is so sad to see how people make up their mind about selecting the next president of the USA, this is WHY we are in the mess we are right now.

Has anyone seen anything by the press that was negative about Obama?
Obama doesn’t need negative ads… he’s got the press!
Issues and solutions:
CHANGE:
McCain has challenged both the Republican and Democratic Machines. Obama has NEVER voted against the Democratic political line. Obama wants to change from the Republican political machine to the Democratic political machine.
TRUTH:
McCain is honest about challenges and sacrifice needed for what is best for the nation. But who wants to vote for that.
Obama doesn’t lie. Obama makes “political promises” of free stuff, subsidies, and lower taxes. Free and/or subsidized: health care, education, mortgage payments, and every thing else you think he said. Who wouldn’t vote for that?
In the last debate he now wants to subsidize the economies of the former USSR satellites!
ECONOMY and ECONOMICS:
To pay for this he wants to increase capital gains taxes. Doesn’t he know the 401k’s have lost money big time? There are no capital gains to tax! He wants to increase taxes on big business. Doesn’t he know many are LOSING money or going bankrupt? Where are the profits to tax? I know he didn’t major in math or business or economics, neither did I, but even I know this just doesn’t add up!
WAR AND MILITARY:
He also wants to reduce military spending. He expects free national security? But he expects the military to be ready and able to go into Pakistan and get Binladen. Plus be ready to go into any country where there is injustice like genocide or what ever. Should they use rowboats and sling shots?
AND he wants ALL young Americans, not just the poor, to either serve in the military, or government foreign service or peace corp. How does he expect to pay for this? Volunteer labor? Forced free labor??
EXPERIENCE:
Palin does not have enough experience to be VP. But as VP she can learn on the job. Obama has more experience than… than… er… ahh… Oh Ya! Palin! (Except of course when it comes to an actual leadership position making actual decisions; and writing actual legislation… but what an autobiographer!). I really don’t want my president learning on the job. (Oh I learned I have to increase taxes. Oh I learned when I reduced the military we couldn’t stop the terrorists from attacking. Oh I learned that it was actually the Democrats that caused the sub prime mess that took down the US economy.)
If you vote for free stuff and lower taxes and no war then you are as dumb as Obama thinks you are.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

God, you guys over there are so dumb! Can you not see that Obama is the quintessential politician who will say anything to get elected? I doubt even Michelle knows his real views on many things. Arggggh! It drives me nuts to see so little question of someone so unsuitable for leader of the free world.
It’s like watching a modern day version of the Pied Piper of Hamlin!
Oh well….

Who caused the sub prime mortgage mess?
9 years ago—this one is priceless and worth the read- right out of New York Times
September 30, 1999
Fannie Mae
Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVEN
A. HOLMES
In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.
The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets — including the New York metropolitan region — will encourage t hose banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they
hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.
Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.
In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates — anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.
”Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990′s by reducing down payment requirements,” said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae’s chairman and chief executive officer. ”Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.”
Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market.
In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to
that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980′s.
”From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,” said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the
American Enterprise Institute. ”If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.”
Under Fannie Mae’s pilot program, consumers who qualify can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one percentage point above that of a conventional,
30-year fixed rate mortgage of less than $240,000 — a rate that currently averages about 7.76 per cent. If the borrower makes his or her monthly payments on time for two years, the one percentage point premium is dropped.
Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it purchases loans that banks make on what is called the secondary market. By ex pan ding the type of loans that it will buy, Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to make more loans to people with less-than-stellar credit ratings.
HERE IS WHAT BILL CLINTON HAS TO SAY:
Bill Clinton knows who is responsible for this NATIONAL CRISIS!
PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: “I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”
My Comment: You’re right, Mr. President. It didn’t have to happen

I think some people forget it was Licoln who started the Republican party and ran on the platfom of anti-slaverey
and later set them free!

Go to the drudgereport.com they have all the lastest poll information and the candiates are getting closer
together.

George Stephonapolis as political commentator is a joke after being part of the Clinton Administration. But that’s ABC news for ya!
Stop all this stupid polling, and just let th people vote.

Everybody that wants to see an honest election had better start calling ABC, NBC, CBS and tell them to start telling the true story about ACORN, and Obama’s affilliation ACORN and HOW MANY STATES ARE INVOLVED IN THIS ACORN VOTER SCANDAL! NONE OF THEM ARE REPORTING THE VOTER FRAUD….TELL YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO ALSO CALL…EMAIL, FAX WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THE NEWS OUT TO THE PUBLIC..THIS IS NOT AN HONEST ELECTION! AND OBAMA’S CAMPAIGN IS CALLING RACIST ABOUT ALL OF MCCAINS RALLY…THAT IS A PLOY TO KEEP THE RACIST RHETORIC UP FROM THE OBAMA THUGS!

Jane – Drudge will push the conservative stories you want to hear. For actual FACTS, try Real Clear Politics or fivethirtyeight.com

I don’t know why Americans are angry at anyone but themselves. When people said lower taxes aren’t the answer if it results in huge deficits and a deteriorated infrastructure they just stared blankly back. Having never read a single book on finance or the economy, they screamed “free market!” and “all regulation hurts”, even though there’s never been an unregulated market for over 2000 years in organized society that worked. Even the Code of Hammurabi (“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”) has a section on market regulation. If we Americans are angry, it should be at ourselves for fooling ourselves into thinking we knew it all!

Thinking – Did you read his answers to Univision on 9/11 and Iraq? It has not hit the main stream media yet. Bottom line- still trying to link the two.

Replace capitalism with Islamic financial system: cleric
Muslims should take advantage of the global financial crisis to build an economic system compatible with Islamic principles, influential Sunni cleric Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi said on Sunday.
“The collapse of the capitalist system based on usury and paper and not on goods traded on the market is proof that it is in crisis and shows that Islamic economic philosophy is holding up,” said the Egyptian-born, Qatar-based cleric.
“The Western system has collapsed and we have a complete economic philosophy as well as spiritual strength,” he said at Sunday’s opening of a conference on Jerusalem.
“All riches are ours… the Islamic nation has all or nearly all the oil and we have an economic philosophy that no one else has,” Qaradawi said.
He urged Muslims to “profit from the crisis to bring about the triumph of the (Islamic) nation, which holds the spiritual and material resources for victory.”
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?

I was listening to Bill Cunningham on 89.0 AM radio in Chicago. I have no idea if there is a web site. He had a guest, and I didn’t catch the name. The reviewed Bill Ayres book and compared it to BO’s Dream book and are sure that Ayres wrote it.
They also looked at Audacity of Dope and they are sure that BO wrote that one him self cause it is a piece of crap. I will try to listen for that guys name and report back.

Former foreign policy advisor Samantha “Hillary is a monster” Power talks about how it would be a good idea to stop sending money to Israel to Palestine can take over Israel. Maybe genocide them out?
“Video Of Former Obama Advisor On Invading Israel”
http://jewagainstobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/06/video-of-former-obama-advisor-on-invading-israel/

So republicans are not democratic? hmmmmmmmmmmm! accept it like you have been always accepted ok? Do not be angry, it makes you stupid.

Face the fact that McCain made another big mistake in choosing Sarah Palin as VP. McCain had 27 years in the Senate. You should have been elected eight years ago but they preferred the Bush mob. You gave a lot for this country but now it’s time for you to retire, so Thank you.

It’s bad enough that it has become sufficient to call a person an ‘Arab’ and everyone ‘understands’ what it means. It’s worse, when admonishing such sentiment, that a U.S. Senator and Presidential Candidate should reveal his own racism in saying no more than – “No ma’am, He’s not. He’s a decent family man…” It’s worse yet when a seemingly well respected journalist such as Stephanopolous characterizes such a response as ‘honorable’.
This is particularly troublesome because it reveals the depth to which anti-Arab racism, and therefore Racism, remains institutionalized. Stephanopolous, for more than the fact that he’s Greek, should be intimately tuned to the coded language of hate. That the true nature of McCain’s remark passed him by, or were ignored, speaks volumes about the Media as well as Americans. What does this say about the relevance of the spread in the polls. How can we trust the numbers when Racism penetrates the very core of this society.

The simple truth is this if you think the country is headed in the right direction and the economy is fundamentally strong then vote for John McCain. But if you love America and also believe that the country is headed in the wrong direction and the economy is sinking the vote Obama
ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID!! and not Race, race doesn’t put food on your table stupid the economy does!!

From what I had read there was no “Kill him” yelled out from the audience. Only ones yelling hateful things were the Obama brain deadheads.
I dont recall seeing McCain supporters going around setting dumpsters on fire, throwing things off a bridge as delegates were on their way to the DNC.
I dont recall seeing republicans committing battery by hitting and spitting atpeople.”
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/obama-supporters-wearing-sarah-palin-is-a-c-tee-shirts/#comment-7019
I heard from people who were actually AT these rallys that there WAS NO “KILL HIM” SAID, PERIOD. She also said that the Secret Service actually checked out the guy who yelled “terrorist” (and that was the WORST thing that was said) and found him to be a BO supporter.
For one, this is just like the perpetual “fish” story, that gets bigger every time Axlehead tells it, and two, he knows full well that he has sent his own campaign members in there to scream things, and three, BO’s people literally decimated the RNC in typical “race riot” fashion. But who’s reporting these things?
Yeah, how ’bout that s**t, sweetcakes?

McCain played with fire and he got burned. Obama remained hopeful and he is being rewarded. …………
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/12/obamas-journey-dont-stop-believing/

Teleprompter broke, Obama could not apeak.started jabbing about pies

Posted by: HP Boston | Oct 13, 2008 9:40:13 AM
Yeah you read that in an article off a right wing site. Real believable. How come there is only one article about that? I read that same thing last night.
You shouldn’t believe everything you hear “sweetcakes”.

What’s that I hear?! Singing?! Yes, singing, of the fat lady variety.

You Obama supporters cannot come up with any real crap about McCain so you push the “BUSH” thing…sorry to tell you, but, this Dem who dislikes BUSH knows that BUSH is NOT running!!! McCain is, and McCain is NOT BUSH..and that is why millions of us DEMS will be voting for McCain because the Democratic Party along with the Democratic Congress are a bunch of crooks who got us into this mess and just today, Pelosi says she want 150 billion more to bail out California and other so called Democratic states who are going broke!! This country, in the past two years with this Congress has gone done the john crapper with this bunch of idiots!! My life was doing just fine until this bunch took over and I am sure there are a lot of people who were doing much better two years ago too…and remember, it was Bill Clinton and his NAFTA bullsh!t that helped us lose work to other countries! THAT WAS THE SO CALLED DEMOCRATIC WAY…THEY SHOULD CHANGE THEIR NAMES TO THE UNDEMOCRATIC PARTY…NOT MY PARTY THIS YEAR!!!

And no candidate has ever had 99.9% of the black vote just because the candidate is black.
Hurray for America! This is what democracy is all about right there! I’m so proud of our black Americans!
Posted by: Just Beaming | Oct 13, 2008 9:50:05 AM
I am not proud of my fellow white Americans when they bring up stupid bs like this.

Bush hates McScam and this is why he has went out of his way to make sure McScam never wins the white house race by ruining the economy and the current political messes we have going on.
McScam has been deep throated & screwed!

From what I had read there was no “Kill him” yelled out from the audience. Only ones yelling hateful things were the Obama brain deadheads.
I dont recall seeing McCain supporters going around setting dumpsters on fire, throwing things off a bridge as delegates were on their way to the DNC.
I dont recall seeing republicans committing battery by hitting and spitting atpeople.”
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/obama-supporters-wearing-sarah-palin-is-a-c-tee-shirts/#comment-7019
I heard from people who were actually AT these rallys that there WAS NO “KILL HIM” SAID, PERIOD. She also said that the Secret Service actually checked out the guy who yelled “terrorist” (and that was the WORST thing that was said) and found him to be a BO supporter.
For one, this is just like the perpetual “fish” story, that gets bigger every time Axlehead tells it, and two, he knows full well that he has sent his own campaign members in there to scream things, and three, BO’s people literally decimated the RNC in typical “race riot” fashion. But who’s reporting these things?
Yeah, how ’bout that s**t, sweetcakes?

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George Stephonapolis as political commentator is a joke after being part of the Clinton Administration. But that’s ABC news for ya!
—
Worked pretty good for you guys in the spring when he was throwing dirt at Obama about Rezco/Ayers at the request of the Hillary campaign.
Seemed pretty low at the time, but I’m glad she ran her kitchen sink campaign at Obama, now there’s no ammo for McCain.

Ah, the Obama news media with their own biased garbage polls. Zogby has Obama up by 4, Rasmussen by 5, and Zogby by 7… yet GMA in their corrects the solid polsters and informs us he’s really up by 10 and that there is no way the polls could be wrong since 1936…. except for how they’ve been wrong in almost every modern election. You guys are so biased it’s not even funny.

Say good-bye to free speech if Obama is elected.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/the-coming-thugocracy/print/

10 points ahead ? Can you say “white Guilt” ?

I have been an devoted fan of GMA for YEARS, but since this election, I have had to go to other sources for my news. I am sick and tired of the liberal news, (yes GMA, you too) pushing your liberal opinions down everyones’ throats. We, the American people, are not stupid imbeciles. Some of us actually can form our own opinions and thoughts. So enough is enough. Either change your reporting and get rid of Leftanopoulos or you will end up losing viewers.

American’s can see now who is a better leader for our Nation. mcCain and Palin would destroy what Bush has left of it. The two have run the most negative, dirty,and reckless campaign ever. They are both liers. Palin abused her power in trooper investigation, her association with the AIP, her bridge to nowhere, her pastor the witch hunter and on and on. Mcain has become senile, reckless, bitter, and a hypocrite. Republican’s say they are ashamed. They would be terrible for our international affairs. We need to move on to regain the America we were once admired to be. Obama and Biden will do this.

Seeing right wingers (vs) take comfort in Zogby’s poll humors me. If they have it at 4%, with the “Bradley Crap”; what are you happy about? So even with the racism taken into account, Obama is still up 4%? And you all still breathe hope from that. I’ve never seen people so happy, even though they are down in the 4th quarter. Look at the averages people! LOL, this thing is over.

I have been an devoted fan of GMA for YEARS, but since this election, I have had to go to other sources for my news. I am sick and tired of the liberal news, (yes GMA, you too) pushing your liberal opinions down everyones’ throats. We, the American people, are not stupid imbeciles. Some of us actually can form our own opinions and thoughts. So enough is enough. Either change your reporting and get rid of Leftanopoulos or you will end up losing viewers.
Posted by: Patty | Oct 13, 2008 10:26:27 AM
I am sure they will miss you…lol. No you don’t form your own opinions you go with the rest of the sheeples and yes there are stupid imbeciles amongst us.

I have a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on my car.
Since then, I have had the word “RACIST” keyed on my car.
Thanks – Obama supporters.

reddog0216 wrote “It is very funny to me that abc news has got it by 10 when all the other polling shows the lead narrowing.abc shows it increasing”.
ROFLMAO yeah right just wait until the other polls take their next sampling after the findings that Palin abused her powers. Remember that news just broke on Friday.

Last Monday, McCain and Palin opened the door to racial politics. They are using “Willie Horton” tactics to scare people. “Obama is the boogieman, he’s a terrorist, he’s a Muslim”. To people who are ignorant, these tactics will work… tell them anything that tie into their fears and racial hatred… and they will believe it… whether it’s true or not…
After opening the door the racial politics, McCain/Palin/Rove, let it fester without saying a word. They smiled and relished in the moments. Just like when a McCain supporter called Sen. Clinton a ‘Bitch”… McCain said nothing, he smiled, and kept going. Last week was no different… his supporters chanting… ‘Terrorist, Kill him, off with his head”… McCain and Palin said nothing… They let the snake out of the bag. Then on Friday, after the ignorance of his supporters were viewed by millions of thinking Americans, who saw this as now more negative behavior… McCain finally commended the race-baiting Palin started… But he and Palin just smiled and said nothing for 3 or 4 days.
Now they both are calming down the mob-like atmosphere that their rallies. Yet still, McCain hasn’t put forth a solution for this economic crisis.
If John McCain wins this election it won’t be based on leadership, it won’t be based on issues or policies, it won’t be based of character or judgment… If John McCain wins this election it will based on racial hatred, fear tactics… that are connected to centuries of American’s ugly past
That’s the legacy of John McCain. That’s the America John McCain wanted, “My Friends”

MARE: Yes girl you have the right to vote for whoever you want, just that your vote will be wasted…GO OBAMA!

While John Bush McCain is at heart an honorable man, his judgement and actions are not very stable. He says one this one day and sometimes a few hours later says something different.
The media have been too kind to him. He has been their darling for years, so they find it hard to report all his gaffes. FOX New is in his pocket, ABC and CNN are afraid to tell it like it is on McCain. Only NBC and MSNBC can be truted to report all the truth in this campaign, and even they have a couple of characters who are old buddies of McCain.
But the biggest mistake John McCain has made in this campaign, one which the media can’ cover up, is his choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate. He should have run away, instead of toward her. She is nothing but an air head and an attack dog. She doesn’t know anything about anything, and shows it. She is afraid of meeting and scared to death of meeting with any reporter, even those who side with her, and unable to have a real candidate press conference for the same reason.
As a veteran of Wold War II, Ihave oneeven more serious concern about Palin. She is a rabble rouser and the first I’ve ever seen in American politics. She likes to lift crowds to an irrational frenzy, while saying nothing with any real meaning. When I watch her I am reminded of the Nazis I used to hear and watch as a young man.
She frightens me and is potentially the most divisive force in modern American politics.
John, you made your most serious mistake with her. She has probably lost this election for you!!

Excuse me Young_voter. How can you possibly say that Obama has run a negative campaign. Let’s be for real here. The McCain campaign has incited THE worst out of Americans. When you have people calling for a candidate to be killed and more, that is not putting the the country first. That’s about as un-American as you can be. THAT, is the act of terrorist. What kind of legacy does McCain want to leave behind?
People like you want try to distort the obvious truth, but I don’t think the majority of Americans will allow it this time around.
This November 4th, Obama gets my vote for President.

How the mainstream media would like you to believe that Obama is ahead. There are those of us that actually can use common sense and separate facts from lies. Why is it deemed negative campaigning when one wants to speak the truth? Unless the truth will reveal who the real Obama is.
Posted by: Linda/Michigan | Oct 13, 2008 10:42:23 AM
Go to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/
You will see how many lies McCain and Palin have told about Obama.

Andie
That’s right. One idiot scratching your car proves that all 60 million Obama supporters are bad people. LOL

Rep supporters will say anything to get the Geezer and Giget in office.
So now, Obama is guilty by association? Sure, if I go into a Starbucks for coffee and while there a back robber is also there ordering a coffee, somehow I am guilty of robbing that bank too, by association?
Keep digging and find more so called “dirt” it only show how ignorant your party stance is and works against the reps.
STICK TO THE ISSUES show that you have a little intelligence.

Glenn, get real, it is the DNC that has run a hateful spiteful racist campaign, and their DNC candidate has benefited from these tactics. The DNC candidate even wrote about these type of tactics in his book. McCain is American, has the knowledge, skills, and experience and finally we have in McCain someone who represents a more center of the road approach that is more like all Americans want. McCain has proven abilities to unite both Democrats and Republicans to solve issues and deliver solutions. I hope people will research the issues and not vote based on DNC tactics and flip flopping false promises. Actions speak louder than words and when it comes to results – McCain is the winner. Don’t want to swing the pendulum to the liberal left who looks alot like Bush in alot of ways. The best thing for folks to do is to vote McCain.

So, you want to talk about lies?
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203
http://www.theobamafile.com/
American Independent Voters for John McCain and Sarah Palin.
Posted by: Independent Voters | Oct 13, 2008 10:58:37 AM
Maybe if you posted more credible sites it might make you look like you have some ounce of sense.

Obama wants to put Americans back to work with building bridges and building roads. Just how many Americans can operate heavy construction equipment? How many Americans want a pick and shovel job?
May be that Obama wants to bring back the WPA, CCC and use Workfare. That would be a great way for people to pay for the national healthcare program. People that do not want to work receive no benefits. The WPA, CCC and Workfare seems great to me, Obama.
For those that do not know about WPA, CCC and Workfare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workfare
What do you say? You never realized that could be part of Obama’s great plan. Surprise! Surprise!
I will not be seeing you all at camp because I only give to the government.
American Independent Voters for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

looked at the polls this morning and most show a 3-7 point Obama lead. But remember these polls are usually of a real small sampling of voters.
Posted by: batesba74 | Oct 13, 2008 11:05:08 AM
Actually it’s between 4 and 10 but what’s a couple of points.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

First it was Ayers, when that disn’t fly, it was ACORN. That must not be catching on either, since the new BUZZ from the McCain camp is the canard: “my car has a McCain sticker and got keyed by an Obama supporter” or some other such nonsense. Fascinating that they all start the same story at the same time and in different parts of the country. MORE LIES FOR MCCAIN
Posted by: Herb Gray | Oct 13, 2008 11:10:13 AM
Funny you say that. Yesterday the babblings from the GOP supporters was racism…lol

Your poll is an outlier. All the other polls show the race as tightening up.

Barack Obama supporters go to the same deception school. Only that which they relate to is true. Yes, true BS
American Independent Voters for John McCain and Sarah Palin.
Posted by: Independent Voters | Oct 13, 2008 11:12:44 AM
The difference is we don’t make stuff up and we cite credible sources, unlike the ones you posted. Quit reading biased websites you might learn a thing or two.
Try this one out and you will see McCain and his Piranha have a habit of lying quite a bit.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

Now some right-winger calling himself an American Independent wants to take on the WPA and CCC. I lived through the Great Depression of 1929 to 1942, so I know what I’m talking about and he has only other right-wing biased sources to refer you to.
Bothe the CCC and the WPA put people back to work doing productive work, instead of keeping them on welfare. Both did work that needed to be done and was not getting done. Most of their work was so good it still stands today or was the beginnings of what works to this day.
Two examples from rural New Hampshire:
#1. The WPA. Well designed and well built Post Offices still in use today.
#2. The CCC. Many of the Appalachian mountain club trails and huts still in use today were started by that group.
The CCC was a model for all kinds of valuable work that could be done by young people.
The WPA did long overdue work on our infrastructure, much of which still stands today over 70 years later. So unemployed Americans put to work on long needed, as well as visionary new projects, helped us through the Republican created Great Depression.
The phony “American Independent” can follow the McCain campaign lead and lie, buttressed by right-wing citations, doesn’t know what he is talking about.

Janice, says poor old Biden. Poor US citizens if this guy ever takes office. If Biden would ever assume the Prez office, this is absolutely the worst thing that could ever happen to America, except for maybe Pelosi. The DNC legislators are the ones who put us into this huge financial fiasco that we have – starting with Clintonomics and the changes he passed. I agree that we need a leader who sees the light – that today is McCain/Palin.
Posted by: Terri | Oct 13, 2008 11:22:25 AM
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This one is taken word for word from the RNC “playbook” the lying talking points.

It’s very simple, if you enjoy the financial fiasco making the headlines today and are making money off of it – vote DNC/Obama because Obama is in cahoots with the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. No one in the last 20 years has received more money from the Freddie/Fannie folks than Obama except for DNC Chris Dodds who is in charge of regulating them. He is a puppet for the DNC.

The self-proclaimed American Independent Voters for McCain – Palin, is as phony as anything the McCain lying squad has come up with yet.

Slave Labor
Barack Hussein Obama does not have a financial plan that will turn America around financially. His financial plan has failed think tank analysis. It is not possible to turn around the American economy with socialistic ideals. Although Barack Hussein Obama programs do not appear to be socialistic, they move towards socialism by implementing a national healthcare plan and the wanting of strict control of banking and the free market.
The Democrats writing bills that add strict controls on banking and the free market demonstrate the Democrats moved towards socialism. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship (Democrats) of the proletariat has yet to show successful achievement. Governments have failed by using socialistic ways of control.
Moreover, Barack Hussein Obama is talking about public works programs like the WPA, CCC and Workfare. Barack Hussein Obama said he will put Americans back to work by building bridges and building roads. The unions think of these programs as slavery. Are you ready for slavery?
An independent voting for McCain/Palin

How can anybody believe the polls. One poss uses about 600 +/- people, another uses 1100, another 3000 another 250, how can anybody doing a poll get an accurate reading in this country getting by with numbers like that. If somebody wanted a poll, they should sample several hundred thousand split up over all 50 states. That would be a poll that might be believeable.

“The fact is that the nation is sick to death with the GOP brand. ”
Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank, aren’t doing you any favors.

Obama’s Healthcare Plan Doomed from the Start
 
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/09/23/history-proves-many-doctors-recommendations-are-disasters.aspx?source=nl
An independent voting for McCain/Palin

“I am at least a registered Independent!”
Are you going to vote for the Independent candidate, Ralph Nader?

Zero-bama is not just another candidate. He is God of Nothingness who constantly makes self-characterized boneheaded mistakes.

I think that if Obama wins- the Russian emergance as renegade power would take on a new meaning and thats even worse news for our world as it is being rocked by financial crisis. I am not sure what does Mr Obama’s master i.e Mr Brzenski wants from it in the end.
On the other hand you have McCain as the alternative- well I think its better not to vote rather than to vote for McCain.

Obama claims alternative energy is his idea. More lies and deception from Obama. Obama claims that these are his ideas.
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/
http://westinstenv.org/sosf/2008/02/11/bipartisan-house-coalition-introduces-legislation-to-fix-biomass-definition-in-renewable-fuels-standard/
American Independent Voters for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Past the level of Hannity (of Fox News) insanity of the last few weeks and now that McCain conceded senator Obama is a decent man, we can get back to the real issues affecting our nation. If the Republican Party looses this election was the minute Karl Rove and his like got involved to train the attack dogs. His choice of Mrs. Palin was cute but degrading to the intellectual capacity of today’s voters.

Andie said: I have a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on my car. Since then, I have had the word “RACIST” keyed on my car.
It’s sad that the DNC candidate’s lack of leadership has led to total disrespect for other’s views and their property. We have the same type of thing happening in our neighborhoods, so much so that many people have told me that they are fearful to mention they support McCain because of retaliation and reprecusssions from DNC supporters. It looks like the Odinga campaign was a practice run in Kenya for the US election.

Zero-bama is not just another candidate. He is God of Nothingness who constantly makes self-characterized boneheaded mistakes.
Posted by: d0 | Oct 13, 2008 11:41
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Homer Simpson is that you? I noticed the d0.( you spelled it wrong though, its DOH!)

The same Liberals who trash Republicans are the ones who same ones who take offense to Republicans bashing Democrats. There seams to be a huge double standard among Democrats. They can run on hate division and Fear. But they trash McCain/Palin for bringing up Obama’s associations. This is only being portrayed as attack and hate tactics because you can see the trouble with his associations. And as for lies Obama has his share of lies that for some reason no one in the mainstream media ” if you can call it that anymore” fail to talk about. It is always attack McCain and Palin. They have given Obama such a free pass it is not funny. Following will be posts showing how Obama has lied to advance his Presidential ambition! I guess the truth would worry a lot of people!

“McCain is the man who through lack of competence crashed his plane in vietnam and lied about being shot down.”
What type of jet do you fly? How long have you been a pilot?

“I am the only candidate who isn’t taking a dime from Washington lobbyist” – LIAR- The record shows quite the opposite. According to USA Today, Obama’s campaign fundraising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government, records show. Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million for the Illinois senator’s presidential race. Employees of their firms have given Obama’s campaign $2.26 million, a USA TODAY analysis of campaign finance data shows

Posted by: batesba74 | Oct 13, 2008 11:52:36 AM
There’s a difference. Nobody is going around accusing McCain and Palin of palling around with terrorists. Both of them have questionable associates as well.

I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis – LIAR. [03/30/2008] You and your campaign buddy Penny SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash – Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans: Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT LEAST – Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. I am sure that cash all came from folks who knew the subprime loan they had was a dream, eh?

Jwench: No terrorists last I checked!
What do Obama and Osama have in common ? They both are friends with people who attacked the Pentagon! No a joke this is fact!

If you dont believe that mccain is a traitor and a liar read his book. He said it himself that he broke under interrogation and told his captors everything he knew about troop movements – no wonder they treated him better than any other pow captured in vietnam.
And now he wants to be president?!!. I shudder at the thought. But knowing how dumb we are as a nation I won’t be suprised if he becomes president. But remember he will definately take us to war with Iran!! but this time we will lose and lose big – because our soldiers are not machines or robots. These soldiering gentlemen are human beings and they need rest after 3,4 and sometimes 5 tours – their energies and zeal has been sapped. a clueless mccain will still not know any better

Jwench: No terrorists last I checked!
What do Obama and Osama have in common ? They both are friends with people who attacked the Pentagon! No a joke this is fact!
Posted by: batesba74 | Oct 13, 2008 12:03:01 PM
Oh, that’s an original thought…lol. I guess you think that joke is clever.
If you knew how to research you would find out they are not “friends” as you put it. Quit listening to the GOP talking heads and do some research of your own.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/790/

As McShame’s hopes slip away, the only ones left to defend him are the wackos and the trailer trash. Obama received 15 newspaper endorsements, and McShame recieived 0. GOP honchos are baling on McShame at an increasing pace, and republicans in Neb. (Lee Terry) are campaigning on Obama’s coattails.
It’s over folks, they lies and misinformation didn’t work. You can make up all the sh:t you want, but it’s over!
President Obama! Get used to it!

Most polls are generated by registration forms….not accurate this year…can you say thank you ACORN!!!!
McCain will win this election by more than you Obama supporters will like! The mainstream media will be wondering what happened! One reason is the media not printing accurate information…like this article….voter fraud will not get Obama in the White House!

Its on record John McCain crashed 4 Naval Planes before doing in the 5th one. He was always saved by the admirable services of his father and grand father
. What has McCain achieved in his 72 years of existence?? The dumb McBush followers dont have an answer, just insults.
After 72 years of living all mccain could achieve was to live off the success of his grandfather and father. And palling around with a drug junky called cindy with a criminal father inlaw

Posted by: Jwench | Oct 13, 2008 12:07:28 PM: He launched his Political career at Ayres Home! His wife is Friends with Ayres wife also a member of the weather underground! He first said he had no ties to Ayres “just a guy from my neighborhood” then said I served on a board with him that was all! Then Obama said I thought he was “reformed” Last I checked when you decide to launch a political career you would do so at the home of someone who shares your views! how do you explain this? And that was not a joke it is a fact!

McCain and Palin should be arrested for inciting violence, riot, racism !
Send them to Gitmo now!

Republicans, it’s always someone else’s fault. The media elite, the democrats, the terrorists, Freddie and Fanny.
You guys are pathetic, which is why it’s over. The republican party is going to be a footnote in the history books like the Whig party. You’re done, it’s over, no more. America woke up from the night mare, and they are taking their country back.
President Obama! Get used to it!

Forget the polls. When voters are alone in the voting booth and casting their votes, many will find themselves (even liberals) unable to put a muslim man in the White House.

Good thing one isn’t running.
President Obama! Get used to it!

Barack Obama, an attorney that does not know the Bill Of rights.
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=2413
American Independent Voters for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Voted against letting people argue self-defense in court if charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home. (2004) unsuccessfully sponsored measure to expunge some Criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals. (2002)
Unsuccessfully sponsored limit of one handgun purchase per month. (2000)
Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (2001)

State polls are what counts and Obama is leading!

Barack Obama offers you nothing but empty words. After he has your vote, he will not remember you. Barack Obama has shown that to voters in Illinois. Just research the projects he sponsored in Illinois and learn the truth of his lies.
American Independent Voters for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

independent realist: That’s just what you hope but don’t get those hopes up now. Ayers is the big problem in Obama’s campaign. Some voters are mad about that and are calling Obama names. Wisconsin and Minnesota to say two of them. And in one part of NC Obama not welcomed.

I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko – LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.

I told the pollsters that I was voting for Obama but the truth of the matter is that I cannot in good conscience vote for a muslim man as President.
Posted by: John Biden | Oct 13, 2008 12:29:32 PM
No you would rather vote for a liar who has dealings with the U.S. Council for World Freedom, and somebody who has dealings with the AIP. Great choice

Marianne, keep dreaming, it’s over. I bet you didn’t even know who Ayers or the Weathermen were until this election.
You know the funny thing is that Ayers is a professor of education, and a well respected one who is asked to be on a board sponsored by a well respected republican who has ties to McShame.
You guys are so simple!
President Obama! Get used to it!

TruthSeeker: Because the courts do not want Obama to testify on what he knows and he knows plenty. But he is running for president and they don’t want the blacks to riot against it. Blacks are getting to be a big problem in this country because they what you to say only what they want to hear and no more. I don’t care what they think I say what I mean and mean what I say. There is a black radio host who is supporting McCain and received a lot of hate mail from blacks. They think that all blacks should vote for Obama. Well that’s not the way it was when Hillary was running. There were many blacks supporting her. And there will be blacks supporting McCain as seen in his audience’s.

“The theory of the Bradley effect is that the inaccurate polls have been skewed by the phenomenon of social desirability bias.[6][7] Specifically, some white voters give inaccurate polling responses for fear that, by stating their true preference, they will open themselves to criticism of racial motivation. The reluctance to give accurate polling answers has sometimes extended to post-election exit polls as well. The race of the pollster conducting the interview may be a factor into voters’ answers.”
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The Badley Effect could happen if the identity of the person responding is known. Polsters usually take random annonymous samples. Therefore there is no reason or fear to lie.

Jwench: Where do you get your information I am still waiting?
Posted by: batesba74 | Oct 13, 2008 12:42:11 PM
Patience is a virtue.

philosopherkingtomas | Oct 13, 2008 12:20:50 PM: The only person who has played the race card during this election is Obama, he used it against Hillary and he is using it know! Obama is a man who uses his race when it benifits his agenda. Wake up you Liberals you cant even think for yourself anymore!

Jench: When your talking about a liar your must be referring to Obama who stated Ayers was just a neighborhood guy. Sure he was, he was a good neighbor to Obama who met him in 1995 and got to involved with the bomber. That’s the highly education Harvard graduate who was at the top of his class only to come out a big ASS.

John mccain is a gambling addict and loves prostitutes
check this out: http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
No way
No how
No Mccain

Read about the DISASTER Coming our way with Obama. USA as we know it is FINISHED.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html

Mariann Pepitone
John McCain:
1.The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America
2. Keating 5
3.G.Gordon Liddy
Sarah Palin:
1. AIP
2. Abuse of Power
Don’t throw stones unless your candidates are squeaky clean.

Posted by: batesba74 | Oct 13, 2008 12:00:43 PM
If you are going to rant at least provide sources for them. Just because you post something doesn’t make it true.

George is sounding much more like Mathews, Olbermann, or Hannity since the last few weeks. I don’t care for Fox news or MSNBC and found ABC much more fair towards both parties but I lost that trust as of now just by noticing how ABCnews.com is gearing towards trashing McCain campaign since the beginning of this month. It is becoming very difficult to find fairness on news/medias anymore especially for an undecided voters like myself.

Its the Economy Stupid!!
Its the Economy Stupid!!
Its the Economy Stupid!!
oops! Just remembered you so dumb you wouldn’t know it anyhow!!
maybe age is catching up with you
go take your nap and dont foget to take your medication for Alzheimers!

McShame and Palin are the first party ticket in history where both people on it were found guilty of ethics charges. I don’t know why anyone would be surprised, their republicans aren’t they?
President Obama! Get used to it!

Marianne, you sound so desperate as you see your candidate and your party slipping into oblivion.
There is a reason it’s over, the republicans can not lead.
President Obama! Get used to it!

Independent realist: Yes, McCain and Palin are republican’s and are not associated with people like Ayer’s who bombed government buildings in the US, his own country. I don’t care if Obama was 8 years old, he wasnt’s 8 when he met him in 1995. He claimed he didn’t know. Give me a break. That’s a lie in its self. Then he said he did know but he thought he repented. Didn’t Ayer’s statae he didn’t do enough? Won’t he be invited to the white house if Obama is elected. Obama better get double security because he will need it.

you just dumb – we are talking with you. There is no reason to call anyone dumb on this blog.

I think it is a pity that we ended up with the 2 underdogs running down the stretch to the finish line. THE PEOPLE need to decide who should be President NOT the DNC or the RNC or the media. Good luck…it’s just a coin toss at this point. This country is SO messed up you couldn’t change everything in 4 years anyway.

sorry dydx! – But its hard not to take those dumbits on. when racist and bigots come here casting aspersions and spouting stupidity its hard not to respond!!.
But thanks anyhow!

Here are three point
1. Obama is not arab. His father was Kenyan.
2. Obama is a christian.
3. His WHITE grandparents RAISED him.

Speaking of being marginalized, one lists the people with whom Obama associates: Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Farrakhan, Michele (I am a proud American) Obama.

Atleast I can call Mariann Pepito dumb without fear of contradiction.

you just dumb – the tactics you are using are right out of the racists handbook. This same sort of willingness to denigrate other is what the Nazis used to take over Germany. When you say those things you know what the rest of the world is thinking.
You are better off showing us how smart you are and winning us over with your witty argument.

Independent realist : Just when I think you have shown how stupid you are you have to go and prove you can get even more stupid on us! How is a free market Socialist? Do you even know what Socialism is?
Racist Radical Obama – Get use to it!!

Here are three point
1. Obama is more Arab than African American. His father was Kenyan Muslim.
2. Obama is a Christian in a Liberation Theology church which is adamantly anti-American.
3. His WHITE grandparents RAISED him and he has thrown them under the bus in countless speeches.

It’s no longer a free market if the government is pouring $700 billion into it at the request of the republican president. And now he wants to nationalize banks. Keep talking, you keep making a fool out of yourself.
President Obama! Get used to it!

Independent realist – I think that the weather underground who gave up on dialog and went to violence to change America are inherently un-American. You may have a different opinion on that.
They tried to burn to death the judge on one of the Black Panther trials. They set fires at the front and back doors hoping to burn the judge, his wife, and their small children. I defintely call that un-American. I am entirely open to your argument.

Independent realist – calling some one a fool is not a convincing argument.
We had to pour all of that money into the economy because we allowed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to be run as a social engineering experiment. THey let out loans to people who could not repay them. Those loans were then bundled and traded by the greedy – who should have been regulated.
Now we are to start another great experiment of re-distributing wealth in this country. Many are thinking it will not go well and they are taking their capital out of the country. One may have noticed as Obama’s poll numbers rise, that the stock market tanks with the money being pulled out.

If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under. But Democrats want to remove all religion from our daily lives.
Posted by: batesba74 | Oct 13, 2008 1:45:39 PM
But you sanctimonius arses are calling a US Senator a terrorist. I thought Christians were to love everyone. The repeated lies all of you keep telling that is against the bible. It’s one of the 10 Commandments. “THOU SHALL NOT LIE”.

More propaganda from the MSM.
Listen up, this time in 2000, Gore was up 11% over Bush, and in 2004 Kerry was up 5% over Bush.
If Obama was so sure of a slam dunk, his ACORN organization would not have felt the need to register dead people, the homeless and the same people 13 times. People are in jail over this and being indicted today.
Another thing to keep in mind, the MSM is driving this election. They were stunned that after they called Gore the winner in 2000, before all the polls were closed, that they had to recall his win and claim Bush the winner. An anchor, Paula Zahn, I believe, actually cried on national television. They are determined to get their liberal guy in this year going so far as to lie or deliberately exclude or distort the negatives about their candidate.

The constitution was written with the notion that some groups may attempt to grab power. The balances in the constitution were designed with the notion that we can work out compromises.
Now we find people who have failed in their argument to convince the voting public and elected officials of their viewpoint. Bombing a building specifically to create colateral damage on innocents, as the weather underground did, sounds to me to be nothing to be proud of. Unable to argue and willing to resort to violence when a brat rich kid from Chicago cannot get his way may in fact match some one who calls themselves independent. But realist, no.

Independent realist – economist are coming out and saying that the “free loan” experiment that was pushed as policy and supported by greedy banks and institutionalized by Freedie Mac and Fannie Mae are at the heart of the the current melt down. Even SNL aggrees on that point:
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/mystery-of-missing-snl-bailout-skit-explained-nbccom-took-it-down-for-legal-reasons-will-put-back-up-edited-version-today/

“Independent realist” – I hope you are not encouraging violence as your argument seems to be just developing. You may not have read the Bill Ayers is a rich kid from Chicago. A lot of the weatherundergound were rich snots.

Lindsey Graham – that is a convincing argument that you present there. Are you certain that you know who Barak Obama is? Have you read any of his written work? If you have please sent them along to the rest of us as Obama has not written record of any kind.
Obama was in Harvard Law Review – a job that usually has a lot of writing associated with it. Obama has none. It is spy novle stuff that lack of a paper trail on this guy. Look around for it.

dydx | Oct 13, 2008 1:39:17 PM: Funny I don’t see you calling out all the Democrats who like to slam Republicans, treat me with respect and I will return the favor. That is all Democrats have done is slam Republicans so when I return the criticism you get a moral compass how covenant. “you just dumb | Oct 13, 2008 12:17:11 PM wrote “The dumb McBush followers dont have an answer, just insults.” His name you just dumb basically calls anyone dumb who supports McCain? He or She also wrote ” And palling around with a drug junky called cindy with a criminal father inlaw ” Last I checked she was hooked on perscription Meds a common problem in our society so everyone of those people are bad? Obama himself said he did drugs and I quote ” I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when I could afford it.”

batesba74 – no one is making a personal attack on you. We are certainly not talking about Bush. Bush hated McCain’s constant reform.
If you think that denigrating personal attacks and name calling with no logic behind it are central to your argumentative style. We can understand that. The problem with it is that those techniques are often associated with fascists – if you want to put a name on it.
Now if you want to talk about policy. We can get some where there. McCain’s policy to buy the loans does two things. It keeps people in their homes and it keep home prices high. You might want to argue both sides of that.

“Man is not free unless government is limited.” Ronald Reagan Another great quote about big Government “”A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.” This is the kind of Government Obama wants and he already said he wants the re-distribution of wealth!

But you sanctimonius arses are calling a US Senator a terrorist. I thought Christians were to love everyone. The repeated lies all of you keep telling that is against the bible. It’s one of the 10 Commandments. “THOU SHALL NOT LIE”. Posted by: Jwench | Oct 13, 2008 1:52:23 PM
Which one was that?

dydx | Oct 13, 2008 1:39:17 PM: Sorry but Liberals make it so hard to play nice. Obama’s campaign has been founded on fear and hate and not Change.

: Jwench | Oct 13, 2008 1:52:23 PM: I never said Obama was a terrorist, I said he has associated with terrorist, you know something the rest of us don’t? I want you to tell me something. What economic policy of John McCain has led to the economic crisis we are in today? We already know the high risk sub-prime loans pushed by Obama and his fellow Democrats are part of the problem. We also know that the Democrats blocked the Republican call for stricter Regulations on Freddie and Fannie , and we know the Democrats took most of the money over 20 years from these companies such as Freddie and Fannie? We also know that instead of fixing it in 2005 like the Republicans proposed the Democrats pulled the race card out of the deck and killed the 2005 bill. We also know this is not the first Mortgage banking collapse Obama has ties to.

I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the US Congress.
Ronald Reagan

Obama first said he only new Ayers from a party. Later on, he said they were neighbors. Later on, he said he served on a board together. Later on, he said he wrote an introduction for his book. Sounds to me like Obama likes unrepentant terrorists.

In a perfect World No one who had complictity in the invasion and occupation of Iraq should be in American Government after January 2009. This would include Biden. This is not a perfect World. When the election is over and the economy becomes old news the destruction of Iraq and it’s people will remain on America’s balance sheet. Obama is the only hope we have ,at this time, for America to change course.

ABC has an outstanding collection of right-wing nut cases commenting on this story. Where did you round them up? A local Klan rally?
Posted by: postmort | Oct 13, 2008 3:32:27 PM
Their sheets must be drying that is why they are on this blog. (Make sure you use dryer sheets).

BTW Wench, For the next year don’t send any packages to the troops. For fear my husband might get one of yours and not make it home!! No telling what they are laced with.

BTW Wench, For the next year don’t send any packages to the troops. For fear my husband might get one of yours and not make it home!! No telling what they are laced with.
Posted by: Patty | Oct 13, 2008 3:59:25 PM
There are civilians on military bases who do send your husband the things he needs. Should we quit sending him the stuff that actually could save his life?

That’s because John McCain is a good man. Has a decent heart. Loves God, Country and man. And I send the stuff my husband needs. Me and my community. Oh yes, that’s right, you know so much about me, and I know nothing of you. You are just like your kind. Mean spirited and evil. I saw how you went on to bash every comment that didn’t side with you. Kind of small minded don’t you think.

Funny I ask for the Republican Policy that has caused this economic problem and not one person can give me one example! Sounds like The leftist liberal bloggers on this sight just repeat what the Democrats say, they have no Idea on policy they just believe all the crap the Democrats keep feeding them! By the way who keeps playing the race card? Democrats. The left has made appauling claims and statements about McCain/Palin and no one sees any problem with that, I am so sick of the Liberal Bias in the American Media today. They have said Palin would be gang raped if she came to New York! They have accused Palins husband of incest with his own children. Where is the media’s outrage on this?

There are civilians on military bases who do send your husband the things he needs. Should we quit sending him the stuff that actually could save his life?
Posted by: Jwench | Oct 13, 2008 4:07:46 PM
Yes, I’ve seen the civilians that work on base. What a joke! It’s always their time and who cares about the soldiers trying to get their work done. If the civilians don’t want to work and help out the military, then find another job. And like I said before, my husband will be well taken care of. I truly support him and all the other troops. These are the men and women who when asked to serve their country by their president stepped up to the plate.

Yes, I’ve seen the civilians that work on base. What a joke! It’s always their time and who cares about the soldiers trying to get their work done. If the civilians don’t want to work and help out the military, then find another job. And like I said before, my husband will be well taken care of. I truly support him and all the other troops. These are the men and women who when asked to serve their country by their president stepped up to the plate.
Posted by: Patty | Oct 13, 2008 4:16:17 PM
Believe what you want. I really could care less. I know what I and my colleagues do makes a difference.
If you think that Obama is a muslim terrorist keep believing that. I know it’s not true.

Oh I see. And what has Obama’s closet been hiding? Rainbows and Puppies? See, you only spat out what the other Left wingers say. Does it hurt to talk out of both sides of your mouth? See in my first statement that I made and you felt the need to bash me all I said was that they need to be fair. You started getting on your high horse and spouting off ignorant stuff. So don’t try to play all innocent now. Saying that you send packages to our troops and you’re just the all american. HA!

Believe what you want. I really could care less. I know what I and my colleagues do makes a difference.
Posted by: Jwench | Oct 13, 2008 4:21:14 PM
There you go again. Both sides. If you really could care less, why all the BS replies?

Most simply saw it as death by electoral numbers.
“Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Missouri, Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada,” declared Byron York of the National Review. “Bush won everyone of those states except Pennsylvania. McCain has to do it all. And it is hard to do that by going on Letterman.”

Obama has the most negative and misleading campaign ads in the history of US politics, but how come the media does not report this.
Posted by: young_voter | Oct 13, 2008 8:08:51 AM
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Simple! It’s not true. You’re young and unlike McCain probably know how to check it out. See for yourself. Obama’s negative ads: 100% McCain’s negative ads: 34%.

There you go again. Both sides. If you really could care less, why all the BS replies?
Posted by: Patty | Oct 13, 2008 4:31:29 PM
This is the part of your first post that really ticked me off:
“You are probably sitting at home collecting another welfare check that society is handing to you. Drink up, then in a few more years you can collect more from the tax payers.
Posted by: Patty | Oct 13, 2008 2:43:28 PM
Both sides of what? I don’t care if you vote for Mickey Mouse. All I am asking you GOP’ers to do is tell the truth and cite sources and not biased sites written by the GOP. Get informed!

Go to http://thomas.loc.gov and examine the bills sponsored by Obama and McCain. During 2007-08, Obama introduced 129 bills to McCain”s 38. In 2008, McCain only introduced one bill, his self-serving gas tax holiday campaign gimmick. Obama introduced 16 bills, including a bill to provide for the coordination of the Nation’s science, technology, engineering, and mathematics education initiatives, a bill to strengthen transparency and accountability in Federal spending, a bill to amend the Public Health Service Act to enhance public health activities related to stillbirth and sudden unexpected infant death, a bill to provide for enhanced food-borne illness surveillance and food safety capacity, an amendment to clarify and expand requirements with respect to information in recall notice, an amendment o require the Comptroller General of the United States conduct a study and report on the effectiveness of authorities relating to the safety of imported consumer products, an amendment to provide an additional $5 million to the military departments’ respective Boards for Correction of Military Records to expedite review of cases in which service members with combat-related psychological injuries or closed head injuries (such as TBIs) were administered discharges for personality disorders or other discharges resulting in a loss of benefits or care and seek a correction of records or upgraded discharge. While running for president, Obama has continued working as a United States senator.

Hey Patty,
While you think obama is a Muslim and a terrorist, please look these up and find something out about your candidate.
Google them and see what comes up.
John McCain:
1.The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America
2. Keating 5
3.G.Gordon Liddy
Sarah Palin:
1. AIP
2. Abuse of Power

Democrats do not want to remove religion from the public square, just the government. If folks pushing this would just read their history they would know the founding fathers did not start a Christian nation. Our country is not a Christian nation. It is a nation that at this point in time is majority Christian. A big difference! A minister said recently that folks who push religion like the righties are afraid that their numbers are not growing. I don’t think this is true considering all the evangelicals. No matter anyway. We are not a theocracy. “Under God” was not put in the pledge until 1954.

Someone told Sarah to Shut up… You re embarrassing us….

GOBAMA!!!

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McCain must win ALL of the following states in order to win the election. Others simply saw death by electoral numbers.
McCain must win each of the following states in order to win the electoral votes he needs.
“Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Missouri, Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada,” declared Byron York of the National Review. “Bush won everyone of those states except Pennsylvania. McCain has to do it all. And it is hard to do that by going on Letterman.”

Obama was in Harvard Law Review ….
Posted by: dydx | Oct 13, 2008 2:12:42 PM
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Compare that to a “HERO” who graduated 894th out of a class of 899. And a man whose McCain’s flight instructor described his as “One of the worst students I ever had.”
freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&aid=25070

Here’s another link that debunks lies about Obama.
http://mediamattersaction.org/swiftboating/factsheet

President Obama! Get used to it!

On Monday, the Democratic-leaning group ACORN, which has been painted as a criminal enterprise by the GOP for its voter registration and housing policy efforts, pushed back against its critics by producing a photo of John McCain attending its March 2006 rally.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/13/acorn-mccain-and-gop-used_n_134284.html

If Bush hasn’t gone to prison yet, no one is.

don’t know what’s more scary, the cover up by the MSM for Obama, or his brainwashed Nazi Youth supporters like Bethb, who typically respond to any questioning of their Messiah with an angry barrage of hate filled insults.
Guess what Obots, your candidate was never vetted at all and has run the most corrupt campaign in history.
Better get used to people like Natasha, and millions of others who will only make sure to find out about Obama especially if he does steal the Presidency.
get used to it. He will never escape the upcoming scrutiny.

republicans no its over for them. The will be marginalized as racists, liars, and thieves. The grand old party is now the dead old party.

Obama-bots remind me of Mao’s Red Guards. It’s a cult of personality. Ready to mindlessly act on anything the great helmsman says, with no regard to logic, reason or morals
Posted by: sue | Oct 13, 2008 5:47:12 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t you GOP’ers the ones that parrot everything McCain and Palin and the rest of the rightwing nuts have to say?
Your candidate has no morals, just ask his first wife.

Obama needs to open up even a bigger lead.McCain/Palin= racist. Obama/Biden=Future,unified,better America for all.

Maybe he wants Obama to win?

It’s simply amazing to me that there are still people in America stupid enough to regurgitate the repuglican yapping points. It’s so apparent who the leader in this presidential campaign is… Barack Obama. It’s about time we had someone with actual INTELLECT and who cares about the majority of Americans in the White House. I predict he will be a great president.
Honestly, if you even think of voting McShame and Failin’, then you really are too stupid to vote in the election.
Please, take your gene pool diluting chromosomes and ruin another country, not mine.

Wonder what the new talking point will be now that John McCain and ACORN have been linked? Any guesses?

It’s simply amazing to me that there are still people in America stupid enough to regurgitate the repuglican yapping points. It’s so apparent who the leader in this presidential campaign is… Barack Obama. It’s about time we had someone with actual INTELLECT and who cares about the majority of Americans in the White House. I predict he will be a great president.
Honestly, if you even think of voting McShame and Failin’, then you really are too stupid to vote in the election.
Please, take your gene pool diluting chromosomes and ruin another country, not mine.
Posted by: Tired of the Bushit | Oct 13, 2008 6:08:29 PM
Isn’t it always the Demoncrats that say they will leave the country? So start packing.

Isn’t it always the Demoncrats that say they will leave the country? So start packing.
Posted by: premort | Oct 13, 2008 6:21:28 PM
In this case we are moving all the Republicans to Alaska.

In this case we are moving all the Republicans to Alaska.
Posted by: Jwench | Oct 13, 2008 6:32:59 PM
Ok and all the Demoncrats to Hell.

Ok and all the Demoncrats to Hell.
Posted by: premort | Oct 13, 2008 6:43:14 PM
And they wonder why we get upset with you GOP supporters. This is one of the reasons.

We are watching the end result of the US Congress’ attempt to create a huge socialistic mortgage give away. They opened the flood gates and freed up credit beyond what was appropriate and which a prudent capitalist would risk. It was like chumming blood into the water the blood and gore creates a feeding frenzy, it is easy to catch fish. Eventually sharks move in. Sharks are attracted by the chum. That is what sharks do. What is this “bad shark business” granted we are fascinated and revolted by sharks but if you don’t want sharks around you stop chumming. What the Congress has done when their program failed is killed the village milking cow and is grinding it up chumming away even harder to start the feeding frenzy all over again. STOP CHUMMING WITH OUR MONEY!

NG,
You are absolutely right about Obama.
http://mediamattersaction.org/swiftboating/factsheet#7

THESE POLLS ARE PHONY…SOME POLLS SHOW THERE IS ONLY A 4 POINT DIFFERENCE.
THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS WHAT THE VOTERS SAY ON ELECTION DAY.

reply The Gipper:
Sometimes you have to ask yourself are you better off today than you were four days ago. Two weeks ago I was driving about 20 miles to get gas here in GA and could only get a limit of $25. Times are hard, but, America is blessed that every four years we get to change course and take this country in a different direction. Three more weeks and lot of praying to go. ;-)

By: FutballDad
The truth: This “article” is so full of inaccuracies that I almost don’t even know where to begin. First, let’s begin with the lie that about Odinga’s associations to radical Muslims. This link debunks the origin of the Memorandum of Understanding as a forged fax. The Society for Internet Research republished an African Political Science Journal’s review of a timeline regarding the Kenyan election and had the following to say about the forgery that this article lauds as a verified document here:
“After captivating the country for several weeks, the MoU—which was widely circulated on the internet as the ultimate dangerous piece of accord—turned out to be an agreement aimed at safeguarding the interest of the Muslims, which said nothing about the Shari’ah law. Much more importantly, it does not have any dangerous implication or any potential of fomenting religious cleavages in Kenya, as had been claimed by the Christians and some Muslims before the exposure of the MoU by Sheikh Abdullahi Abdi.”
http://www.sofir.org/sarchives/006273.ph...
The fallacy: Even if this document was true, it would be an argument of guilt by association. Obama was sworn in on the Bible. Obama is a Christian who attends Christian churches. Those on the right can’t condemn his Christian affiliation with Reverend Wright and simultaneously claim that he is a Muslim Manchurian Candidate.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/o...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ken...
The truth: Obama is a closer relative to George W. Bush than to Odinga. Bush and Obama are 10th cousins once removed. Obama is also distantly related to Cheney.
The Source: Finally, consider the source. That the author is a member of the Sinclair Broadcasting group does not surprise me. Sinclair led the charge to get Ted Koppel and Dan Rather fired. They attempted to boycott or prevent the Nightline episode that read the names of all the fallen Service Men & Women in Iraq. They are a GOP Media group. They gave close to $80,000 worth of campaign donations in the 2004 electoral cycle. 95% of that money went to the GOP.
This is a naked guilt by association argument. Apparently, the Bill Ayers arguments aren’t working on Independents and can’t stoke the base any hotter than they already are. So today we have a new recycle of arguments that were debunked almost a year ago. More attempts to “swift boat” another Democratic nominee. This is the old politics and America has moved on.
http://www.stopsinclair.org/
This is a pitiful attempt to smear a decent man who best embodies the America that we must become. I would remind anyone trying to circulate this rumor of the 9th Commandment: “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor”. This is a false rumor and spreading it or trying to give it credibility is a sin. Do the right thing.

From the Wall Street Journal: John McCain’s presidential campaign has been on the attack against the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for its voter registration tactics as well as its ties to rival Barack Obama. Today, Acorn fired back at McCain, accusing the Arizona senator of erratic and misleading behavior.
“ACORN to McCain: Have You Lost That Loving Feeling?” reads a release by the organization this afternoon, noting that McCain was the keynote speaker at a Feb. 20, 2006 Miami rally cosponsored by Acorn to build support for a comprehensive immigration reform bill co-sponsored by McCain and Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts. The bill never passed Congress.
In a statement, Bertha Lewis, chief organizer of Acorn, sharply attacked McCain, suggesting the 72-year-old senator is “erratic”—a word that Republicans believe Democratic opponents use against McCain to stir up concerns about his age.
“Maybe it is out of desperation that Sen. McCain has forgotten that he was for Acorn before he was against Acorn; he was for immigration reform before he was against immigration reform; and he was a maverick before he became erratic,” Lewis said.
She added, “We are surprised at his efforts to vilify an organization that, until recently, he saw as an ally.

The polls are phony….. only when they are in favor of Democrats.
McShame and the republicans are done, let it go, they are no more. All done…bye bye. You can’t ruin the country anymore!
President Obama! Get used to it!

Intelligence wins out over fear every time!
President Obama! Get used to it!

I wander what the outlook would be if Obama was all white? It is so strange how race was not a factor until a black or bi-racial canidate runs for president. Really this whole thing of of Obama being a terrorist and so forth was brought about by the Clinton’s. I do not really see them helping Obama, they are mainly collecting funds for themselves. Obama is very gracious to the Clintons and Biden. All of these people stabbed him in his back. Jessy Jackson wanted Obama to bring up the race card and is upset because he did not make it as far as Obama. Obama has an uphill battle still, since he is black. A friend told me, “Before they put Obam in the White House, they would prefer to put a polar Bear in”. And where does the polar Bear come from? Palin shows up as Mc Cains vice. Oh by the why, he stands up like Fred Sanford, by pushing up on the chair or seat. I repect him for his years, but I do not see him making it past 1-2 years. He looks very, very sick.

President Obama! Get used to it!
Nothing you can say, nothing you can do will change it!

Say good-bye to free speech if Obama is elected.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/the-coming-thugocracy/print/
Posted by: susie | Oct 13, 2008 10:23:43 AM
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FEAR… IT DOES A BODY GOOD?
I suggest you give up your terrorist ways… You’re not going to win over votes by using fear.

If Obama were judged by his character and not by the color of his skin as Dr King suggested, he would not be in the race today.

Wow, fact or fiction? It seems here that people are trying to sell what they have bought from someone else’s sales pitch or they are making assumptions. I mean it must be true, I read it on the internet. Fact: Obama will be our next president. And why? One of the biggest influences is the fact that the Republican Party has too long favored the wealthy and big business. It doesn’t mean that it’s all bad, just disproportionate. Come on. We can’t act like it hasn’t been that way. It most definitely has and you want to think you can still keep this up and survive. But it’s gone too far. It’s now hurting the country. Again, with the financial wrongdoing we are taxed with, and yet trying to put behind us, we are not seeing accountability. No one wants to answer how this can happen. Too many too close to the problem. It’s criminal. See regulation can be a good thing and lobbyists a bad thing. See how that makes sense. So, prepare yourself for a change. It’s coming. It’s here. Some just don’t want to accept it yet. It’s going to get better people. It will just take a little time. Obama is really being handed a troubled country. War, finance, unemployment, take a look around. Look past your own comfort zone. Be hopeful. If this country returns to having hope and a little trust it will prosper. Stop bashing so much. Perhaps you see this as the lesser of two evils. You better hope something changes. This convenient boost in the stock market and the temporary lower gas price may fool some of you. Don’t let that happen. Stop and think. Remember when you “really” thought Bear Stearns was too big to fall. Get a grip. For those that will listen, “stay close to your broker” because the roller coaster ride by far isn’t over!

Let’s dissect some of your chatter from Mr. Krauthammer. In particular “If a Republican candidate had launched his political career at the home of an abortion-clinic bomber—even a repentant one—he would not have been able to run for dogcatcher in Podunk.” He must really think far more of “a Republican” than most of us. A man is what he is not by the party he freely joins. I dare say that not one reader would bet their paycheck on finding one politician with a clean slate. (Yes even our Republican with his sidekick lobbyist taking 15K and 30K monthly from Fanny and/or Freddie to lobby against regulation. That seemed to have worked well for them. Caught in the act. Go ahead, Google it. We do have such short memories.) Will these men go back to the political arena after the elections? Of course they will and no one will be questioning their character then because the threat will be gone. Frankly most of us don’t really believe a man can reach higher political offices without playing some of the “old” politics to get there. What he does when he gets there is where the rubber meets the road. That shall decide how he will be remembered. And let’s face it, once he’s in the office he is still going to have to answer to and coax the political machine that is before him. And if the past eight years has shown me anything, that Republican you caught in the home of an abortion-clinic bomber would surely have had a great explanation for being there. Probably looking for weapons of mass destruction or some other righteous cause if that didn’t work out. So, who’s got crimson hands now? Sell it elsewhere boss, we’re all stocked up on 8 years of double-talk here.

How come none of these polls state how many people were polled. I have never been polled and think that you are using the poll numbers to sway peoples opinions about the election and which candidate should be voted for. News media is supposed to be reporting facts, they state 90 percent of Americans feel a certian way which is not accurate by any means.

I looked at the specifics of the poll and you consistently spoke with 9-10% more democrats than republicans.
Since we know that 90% of democrats will vote for Obama and 90% of republicans will vote for McCain, then your poll means nothing. You intentionally skewed the results to produce the 10% difference.
Retake the poll and speak with an even # of both sides and see where the results come out. I guess it’s true, ABC stands for Advance Barrack Corporation. Your poll is nothing more than a lie.

if the past eight years has shown me anything, that Republican you caught in the home of an abortion-clinic bomber would surely have had

Wright 101
Obama funded extremist Afrocentrists who shared Rev. Wright’s anti-Americanism
By Stanley Kurtz
It looks like Jeremiah Wright was just the tip of the iceberg. Not only did Barack Obama savor Wright’s sermons, Obama gave legitimacy — and a whole lot of money — to education programs built around the same extremist anti-American ideology preached by Reverend Wright. And guess what? Bill Ayers is still palling around with the same bitterly anti-American Afrocentric ideologues that he and Obama were promoting a decade ago. All this is revealed by a bit of digging, combined with a careful study of documents from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, the education foundation Obama and Ayers jointly led in the late 1990s.
John McCain, take note. Obama’s tie to Wright is no longer a purely personal question (if it ever was one) about one man’s choice of his pastor. The fact that Obama funded extremist Afrocentrists who shared Wright’s anti-Americanism means that this is now a matter of public policy, and therefore an entirely legitimate issue in this campaign.
African Village
In the winter of 1996, the Coalition for Improved Education in [Chicago’s] South Shore (CIESS) announced that it had received a $200,000 grant from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. That made CIESS an “external partner,” i.e. a community organization linked to a network of schools within the Chicago public system. This network, named the “South Shore African Village Collaborative” was thoroughly “Afrocentric” in orientation. CIESS’s job was to use a combination of teacher-training, curriculum advice, and community involvement to improve academic performance in the schools it worked with. CIESS would continue to receive large Annenberg grants throughout the 1990s.
The South Shore African Village Collaborative (SSAVC) was very much a part of the Afrocentric “rites of passage movement,” a fringe education crusade of the 1990s. SSAVC schools featured “African-Centered” curricula built around “rites of passage” ceremonies inspired by the puberty rites found in many African societies. In and of themselves, these ceremonies were harmless. Yet the philosophy that accompanied them was not. On the contrary, it was a carbon-copy of Jeremiah Wright’s worldview.
Rites of Passage
To learn what the rites of passage movement was all about, we can turn to a sympathetic 1992 study published in the Journal of Negro Education by Nsenga Warfield-Coppock. In that article, Warfield-Coppock bemoans the fact that public education in the United States is shaped by “capitalism, competitiveness, racism, sexism and oppression.” According to Warfield-Coppock, these American values “have confused African American people and oriented them toward American definitions of achievement and success and away from traditional African values.” American socialization has “proven to be dysfuntional and genocidal to the African American community,” Warfield-Coppock tells us. The answer is the adolescent rites of passage movement, designed “to provide African American youth with the cultural information and values they would need to counter the potentially detrimental effects of a Eurocentrically oriented society.”
The adolescent rites of passage movement that flowered in the 1990s grew out of the “cultural nationalist” or “Pan-African” thinking popular in radical black circles of the 1960s and 1970s. The attempt to create a virtually separate and intensely anti-American black social world began to take hold in the mid-1980s in small private schools, which carefully guarded the contents of their controversial curricula. Gradually, through external partners like CIESS, the movement spread to a few public schools. Supporters view these programs as “a social and cultural ‘inoculation’ process that facilitates healthy, African-centered development among African American youth and protects them against the ravages of a racist, sexist, capitalist, and oppressive society.”
We know that SSAVC was part of this movement, not only because their Annenberg proposals were filled with Afrocentric themes and references to “rites of passage,” but also because SSAVC’s faculty set up its African-centered curriculum in consultation with some of the most prominent leaders of the “rites of passage movement.” For example, a CIESS teacher conference sponsored a presentation on African-centered curricula by Jacob Carruthers, a particularly controversial Afrocentrist.
Jacob Carruthers
Like other leaders of the rites of passage movement, Carruthers teaches that the true birthplace of world civilization was ancient “Kemet” (Egypt), from which Kemetic philosophy supposedly spread to Africa as a whole. Carruthers and his colleagues believe that the values of Kemetic civilization are far superior to the isolating and oppressive, ancient Greek-based values of European and American civilization. Although academic Egyptologists and anthropologists strongly reject these historical claims, Carruthers dismisses critics as part of a white supremacist conspiracy to hide the truth of African superiority.
Carruthers’s key writings are collected in his book, Intellectual Warfare. Reading it is a wild, anti-American ride. In his book, we learn that Carruthers and his like-minded colleagues have formed an organization called the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations (ASCAC), which takes as its mission the need to “dismantle the European intellectual campaign to commit historicide against African peoples.” Carruthers includes “African-Americans” within a group he would define as simply “African.” When forced to describe a black person as “American,” Carruthers uses quotation marks, thus indicating that no black person can be American in any authentic sense. According to Carruthers, “The submission to Western civilization and its most outstanding offspring, American civilization, is, in reality, surrender to white supremacy.”
Carruthers’s goal is to use African-centered education to recreate a separatist universe within America, a kind of state-within-a-state. The rites of passage movement is central to the plan. Carruthers sees enemies on every part of the political spectrum, from conservatives, to liberals, to academic leftists, all of whom reject advocates of Kemetic civilization, like himself, as dangerous and academically irresponsible extremists. Carruthers sees all these groups as deluded captives of white supremacist Eurocentric culture. Therefore the only safe place for Africans living in the United States (i.e. American blacks) is outside the mental boundaries of our ineradicably racist Eurocentric civilization. As Carruthers puts it: “…some of us have chosen to reject the culture of our oppressors and recover our disrupted ancestral culture.” The rites of passage movement is a way to teach young Africans in the United States how to reject America and recover their authentic African heritage.
America as Rape
Carruthers admits that Africans living in America have already been shaped by Western culture, yet compares this Americanization process to rape: “We may not be able to get our virginity back after the rape, but we do not have to marry the rapist….” In other words, American blacks (i.e. Africans) may have been forcibly exposed to American culture, but that doesn’t mean they need to accept it. The better option, says Carruthers, is to separate out and relearn the wisdom of Africa’s original Kemetic culture, embodied in the teachings of the ancient wise man, Ptahhotep (an historical figure traditionally identified as the author of a Fifth Dynasty wisdom book). Anything less than re-Africanization threatens the mental, and even physical, genocide of Africans living in an ineradicably white supremacist United States.
Carruthers is a defender of Leonard Jeffries, professor in the department of black studies at City College in Harlem, infamous for his black supremacist and anti-Semitic views. Jeffries sees whites as oppressive and violent “ice people,” in contrast to peaceful and mutually supportive black “sun people.” The divergence says Jeffries, is attributable to differing levels of melanin in the skin. Jeffries also blames Jews for financing the slave trade. Carruthers defends Jeffries and excoriates the prestigious black academics Carruthers views as traitorous for denouncing their African brother, Jeffries. Carruthers’s vision of the superior and peaceful Kemetic philosophy of Ptahhotep triumphing over Greco-Euro-American-white culture obviously parallels Jeffries’ opposition between ice people and sun people.
More of Carruthers’s education philosophy can be found in his newsletter, The Kemetic Voice. In 1997, for example, at the same time Carruthers was advising SSAVC on how to set up an African-centered curriculum, he praised the decision of New Orleans’ School Board to remove the name of George Washington from an elementary school. Apparently, some officials in New Orleans had decided that nobody who held slaves should have a school named after him. Carruthers touted the name-change as proof that his African-centered perspective was finally having an effect on public policy. At the demise of George Washington School, Carruthers crowed: “These events remind us of how vast the gulf is that separates the Defenders of Western Civilization from the Champions of African Civilization.”
According to Chicago Annenberg Challenge records, Carruthers’s training session on African-centered curricula for SSAVC teachers was a huge hit: “As a consciousness raising session, it received rave reviews, and has prepared the way for the curriculum readiness survey….” These teacher-training workshops were directly funded by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Another sure sign of the ideological cast of SSAVC’s curriculum can be found in Annenberg documents noting that SSAVC students are taught the wisdom of Ptahhotep. Carruthers’s concerns about “menticide” and “genocide” at the hand of America’s white supremacist system seem to be echoed in an SSAVC document that says: “Our children need to understand the historical context of our struggles for liberation from those forces that seek to destroy us.”
When Jeremiah Wright turned toward African-centered thinking in the late 1980s and early 1990s (the period when, attracted by Wright’s African themes, Barack Obama first became a church member), many prominent thinkers from Carruthers’s Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations were invited to speak at Trinity United Church of Christ, Carruthers himself included. We hear echoes of Carruthers’s work in Wright’s distinction between “right brained” Africans and “left brained” Europeans, in Wright’s fears of U.S. government-sponsored genocide against American blacks, and in Wright’s embittered attacks on America’s indelibly white-supremacist history. In Wright’s Trumpet Newsmagazine, as in Carruthers’s own writings, blacks are often referred to as “Africans living in the diaspora” rather than as Americans.
Asa Hilliard
Chicago Annenberg Challenge records also indicate that SSAVC educators invited Asa Hilliard, a pioneer of African-centered curricula and a close colleague of Carruthers, to offer a keynote address at yet another Annenberg-funded teacher training session. Hilliard’s ties to Wright run still deeper than Carruthers’s. A close Wright mentor and friend, Hilliard died in 2007 while on a trip to Kemet (Egypt) with Wright and members of Wright’s congregation. Hillard was scheduled to deliver several lectures to the congregants, and to speak at a meeting of the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilization, which he co-founded with Carruthers and other “African-centered” scholars. On that last trip, Hilliard accepted an appointment to the board of Wright’s new elementary school, Kwame Nkrumah Academy. Speaking of the need for such a school, Wright had earlier said, “We need to educate our children to the reality of white supremacy.” (For more on Wright’s Afrocentric school, see “Jeremiah Wright’s ‘Trumpet.’”)
Wright delivered the eulogy at Hilliard’s memorial service, with prominent members of ASCAC in the audience. To commemorate Hilliard, a special, two-cover double issue of Wright’s Trumpet Newsmagazine was published, with a picture of Hilliard on one side, and a picture of Louis Farrakhan on the other (in celebration of a 2007 award Farrakhan received from Wright). In short, the ties between Wright and Hilliard could hardly have been closer. Clearly, then, Wright’s own educational philosophy was mirrored at the Annenberg-funded SSAVC, which sought out Hilliard’s and Carruthers’s counsel to construct its curriculum.
Perhaps inadvertently, Wright’s eulogy for Hilliard actually established the fringe nature of his favorite African-centered scholars. In his tribute, Wright stressed how intensely “white Egyptologists recoiled at the very notion of everything Asa taught.” As Wright himself made plain, it seems virtually impossible to find respectable scholars of any political stripe who approve of the extremist anti-American version of Afrocentrism promoted by Hilliard and Carruthers.
Ayers’s Pals
An important exception to the rule is Bill Ayers himself, who not only worked with Obama to fund groups like this at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, but who is still “palling around” with the same folks. Discretely waiting until after the election, Bill Ayers and his wife, and fellow former terrorist, Bernardine Dohrn plan to release a book in 2009 entitled Race Course Against White Supremacy. The book will be published by Third World Press, a press set up by Carruthers and other members of the ASCAC. Representatives of that press were prominently present for Wright’s eulogy at Asa Hilliard’s memorial service. Less than a decade ago, therefore, when it came to education issues, Barack Obama, Bill Ayers, and Jeremiah Wright were pretty much on the same page.
Obama’s Knowledge
Given the precedent of his earlier responses on Ayers and Wright, Obama might be inclined to deny personal knowledge of the educational philosophy he was so generously funding. Such a denial would not be convincing. For one thing, we have evidence that in 1995, the same year Obama assumed control of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, he publicly rejected “the unrealistic politics of integrationist assimilation,” a stance that clearly resonates with both Wright and Carruthers. (See “No Liberation.”)
And as noted, Wright had invited Carruthers, Hilliard, and like-minded thinkers to address his Trinity congregants. Wright likes to tick off his connections to these prominent Afrocentrists in sermons, and Obama would surely have heard of them. Reading over SSAVC’s Annenberg proposals, Obama could hardly be ignorant of what they were about. And if by some chance Obama overlooked Hilliard’s or Carruthers’s names, SSAVC’s proposals are filled with references to “rites of passage” and “Ptahhotep,” dead giveaways for the anti-American and separatist ideological concoction favored by SSAVC.
We know that Obama did read the proposals. Annenberg documents show him commenting on proposal quality. And especially after 1995, when concerns over self-dealing and conflicts of interest forced the Ayers-headed “Collaborative” to distance itself from monetary issues, all funding decisions fell to Obama and the board. Significantly, there was dissent within the board. One business leader and experienced grant-smith characterized the quality of most Annenberg proposals as “awful.” (See “The Chicago Annenberg Challenge: The First Three Years,” p. 19.) Yet Obama and his very small and divided board kept the money flowing to ideologically extremist groups like the South Shore African Village Collaborative, instead of organizations focused on traditional educational achievement.
As if the content of SSAVC documents wasn’t warning enough, their proposals consistently misspelled “rites of passage” as “rights of passage,” hardly an encouraging sign from a group meant to improve children’s reading skills. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge’s own evaluators acknowledged that Annenberg-aided schools showed no improvement in achievement scores. Evaluators attributed that failure, in part, to the fact that many of Annenberg’s “external partners” had little educational expertise. A group that puts its efforts into Kwanzaa celebrations and half-baked history certainly fits that bill, and goes a long way toward explaining how Ayers and Obama managed to waste upwards of $150 million without improving student achievement.
However he may seek to deny it, all evidence points to the fact that, from his position as board chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Barack Obama knowingly and persistently funded an educational project that shared the extremist and anti-American philosophy of Jeremiah Wright. The Wright affair was no fluke. It’s time for McCain to say so.
— Stanley Kurtz is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

As I read all of the hate-filled notes on this thread, all I can think of is this, and I’m totally serious: Let’s split into 2 countries, with liberals living on one side of the Mississippi River, and conservatives in a separate nation on the other side. After all, we despise each other’s approaches to government, and we pretty much hate each other, too. What do you think? I’m pumped up to start this movement.

Get over it, republicans. The real race was between Obama and Clinton. It will be a landslide. The middle class woke up and realize that republicans are only for the top 1% of wealthy Americans or as George Bush calls them the Haves and the Have Mores. The landslide is coming.

Louise wrote: “Ha Ha Ha !!: The race is within 4 points (Zogby/Reuters) and Gallup. Bradley effect in the polls now :-)”
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The Gallup poll has Obama up by 9 and Zogby/Reuters by 7…
You republicans certainly do like to lie. Not to mention your extremely attractive racist qualities…

I made the mistake in the past of voting for the GOP. Not this time; and since I am out of the country, I have already cast my vote for Obama. I hope all servicepeople and those of us overseas have done the same.
These past few years I have travelled to various continents. I have learned the GOP has done great damage with diplomatic relations and the American image. I do not think Americans realize the extent of this problem. In fact, when Bush visited Rome, I couldn’t get in to the Vatican because of riots protesting his being there. The prospect of Obama’s presidency, I have noticed, has already begun to boost international morale regarding America. We are at a time on many issues that we need a leader that foreign leaders can respect and communicate with.
Even without that, I have never yet liked a candidate as much as Obama. Not in my lifetime has there ever been a candidate I have admired and respected to this degree.
PS REDDOG – great comments about Palin’s non-viability as a candidate.

Reporter: “Gov Charlie Crist, will you be campaigning for the Bush/McCain presidential ticket
Gov Crist: Nah, I don’t have the time, I’m going to Disney World…

Why is McCain playing the Rocky Theme at his rallys and bragging that he’s gonna whip Obama’s ass? Too funny.

Mc Cain all the way he paid his dues has Obama served and fought for our country????????????

It scares me when I read responses in forums and else where when one says that Palin isn`t VP material! Well what the hell does that say for Obama??? He has less experience and is running for President.
It appears to me that America wants a taste of socialism, and you thought Carter was bad!
Come on, enough is enough. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!