‘That One’

No respect…

Hmm…I think Obama has so much “style” nobody much cares what he says…not that he has no substance, just too much style and a little to eager to tell people what they want to hear.
I thought McCain did well in the debate, but that it was about even…that’s good for O at this stage…we will see, I am still hopeful.
All Obama has to say is “the last eight years” and ignore the bad hand Bush was dealt and he can skate by…

“I saw no evidence of a radical streak, either overt or covert, when we were together at Harvard Law School,” said Bradford A. Berenson, who worked on the Harvard Law Review with Mr. Obama and who served as associate White House counsel under President Bush. Mr. Berenson, who is backing Mr. McCain, described his fellow student as “a pragmatic liberal” whose moderation frustrated others at the law review whose views were much farther to the left.

Doesn’t Obama refer to himself as “the One”? As in We are the one we’ve been waiting for?
Of course, we is Obama (if I may write at the 8th grade level for some of you).

McCain seems incapable of genuine respect of others. I feel that is a mandatory requirement for a President dealing with the entire USA and the world. But I already felt he was incapable of genuine understanding of the economy, the wars in Iraq and Afg., health care, medicare/medicaid, etc….so it really didn’t surprise me that he would be so immature.

That one, this one… Come off it, you people. Only a racist would view this reference as racist.

I like that one.

McCain called Obama “that one” which can be percieved either racial or not. However, by refusing to shake Obama’s hand at the end of the debate, he cofirmed that it’s racial.
Review the debate and see for yourself.

McCain sounded like Grampa Simpson.
McCAIN = FAIL
SAY GOODNIGHT, JOHN.

What, are you people objecting to “the one” label. Obama’s whole campaign theme has been to identify him and those around him as the ones we’ve beem waiting for. Let me remind you: Oh-bah-ma, Oh-bah-ma.

McCain’s character showed up in that moment. Erratic, disdainful and childish. Not trustworthy in my book.
(he didnt shake Mr Obama’s hand at the end, and Cindy quickly moved to do so)

Obama is “the one” who keeps lieing! “the one? with something to hide.

at the last debate obama kept referring to mr mccain as john, i found that disrespectful as well.

McCain meant no harm, he just forgot Obama’s name for a moment there.

Has ABC fully endorsed Obama yet as NBC has?

The questions were pretty standard. Same stuff we’ve heard time and again. Obama was very smooth. Nothing said would change my mind, but the health care issue may have been important to some. It really is a bad idea to have the government involved in administering health care. Sounds like same health care soldiers get. Hurry up and wait to see a PA. Doctors will be in short supply. You folks aren’t going to like health care administered by Uncle Sam. But it’s probably better than nothing.

Several news and blog sites have picked up on this. McCain didn’t give away much tonight, but “that one” may come back and bite him in the butt.

Did Ugot2befree cut and paste that???

I am from Ohio and it has recently been reported the racism still existing here in this state.Some person not of color quoted as saying,”We don’t like black people here in Ohio.” The subtle racial bias that exist in Ohio and elsewhere throughout the country will not prevail.
As far as this idiot from Ohio he certainly does not represent southwest OOhio,this is Obama country first,you bbetcha.wink

McCain meant to say “The One”, not that one.

Geesus Mary and Joe…what are we in High School now…of all the important things to be discussing about this debate we are reacting to what the Obama camp once again tries to bait with suggestive language.
I think OBama won tonite but this crap is a turn off. Who gives how they referred to each other it is how they answered the questions and their imapct on our lives.

“That One.” Unreal.
Does that give us free license to refer to McCain as “that Curmudgeon”?

I agree Ann, John did make Obama look bad

Republicans passed the civil rights legislation because they had to,in order to preserve their interest.And I do know that Mcbush voted AGANIST making Martin Luther King a national holiday. You really don’t want to go there…..

And what party opposed it Ann? hmmm the socialists? the libertarians? No that would be the Dems

Atleast the old guy did’nt call himself a “maverick”.

What’s the deal with McCain asking the young black man if he knew fannie may and freddie? Who doesn’t in this day in age. He sure is out of touch and extremely condescending.

I find it very disturbing that McCain cannot call Obama by name. I do not know if the reference to “that one” means that he cannot remember Obama’s name or that he is deliberately trying to demean Obama or that he honestly thinks Obama is less than he in terms of being called by name. Any of those reasons is very troublesome and reveals something about McCain that I do not want to see in an American president.

Here, Here to Concerned!

For those that think McCain made Barack look like a fool, you may be surprised. Obama has kept a level of maturity and professionalism throughout this campaign and that fact that he refuses to sink to the Rep smear level, he shows he is the better man!Going into the debate, I knew he wouldn’t attack McCain back and we were just waiting for McCain to self destruct!!!

“What’s the deal with McCain asking the young black man if he knew fannie may and freddie? Who doesn’t in this day in age. He sure is out of touch and extremely condescending.”
No, what he said was that the man probably never heard of F/F before their role in the crisis was brought to light. He could have been talking to anyone and said the same thing.

Earl (11:07:41 PM): “Gee was it the Republicans whose forced and passed the civil rights act???”
No. Credit for muscling the Civil Rights Act of 1964 through Congress belongs to President Lyndon Johnson.
LBJ was the one who personally cajoled enough House members to provide the requisite number of signatures to pull the bill out of Rep. Howard Smith’s Rules Committee, and he gently strongarmed Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield into bypassing Sen. James Eastland’s Judiciary Committee in the bill’s referral, and instead send it directly to the Senate floor for debate following Second Reading.
However, you may take solace in the fact that many of those southern Democrats who opposed the legislation later joined the Republican Party at the invitation of Richard Nixon and his “Southern Strategy” …

“That one” will win by a landslide!!!
McCain needs lesson in treating people with dignity and respect. I used to like McCain but now I see he can use some lesson in anger management.

Just as I had expected. McCain was quietly, yet obviously seething – his sincerity – I guess that’s what it’s supposed to have been appeared condescending. He was unstable, while Obama’s physical and verbal presence was steady. Obama basically swatted away mccains snark. Yet, McCain wasn’t man enough to broach the Ayers subject himself – face to face, I guess he’ll just let Ms Palin handle the lowest slop. Weasel.

McCain is off his rocker crazy. Every time he opens his mouth he sounds unstable.

Hey my name is Earl…Blacks were not the only group to benefit from civil rights legislation,in fact we are the least likely group to reap any benfits.If you know your American History platforms and principles as well as constituents have changed,frankly neither party reflects my interest and values because I am a minority.Never the less..Obama gets my vote.

Didn’t anyone else notice that McCain declined to shake hands with Obama after the debate? He motioned “that one” towards Ms Bud and walked away from him. Can’t believe that wasn’t picked up by the pundits! No class.

McCain was so nervous. Obama won the debate handily. What I don’t like is how the Obama campaign is magnifying McCain’s not looking at him in the first debate and his saying “that one” in the second. That kind of stuff ignites racial tensions because some see any slight toward Obama as personal. They should just let people decide the matter, we saw it, heard it and can think for ourselves.

I can’t believe those of you who are saying the “that one” comment was racist. Are you completely delusional? Do you not understand that when you say something as innocuous as that is racist that you belittle the justified outrage when an actual racist comment is made??? McCain wasn’t being racist. He was expressing frustration with Obama distorting the facts about the energy bill. Obama is constantly saying McCain votes for big tax cuts for the oil companies when McCain voted AGAINST the bill and Obama is the one who voted for it. I am a Democrat but I am disgusted with how so many Democrats appear to be willing to throw out racist accusations when there is nothing to support them. You demean those who have actually been exposed to racism when you do that. Plus, it is truly unfair to McCain, who even if you don’t agree with his policies, has never once even had a hint of a racist attitude. Grow up!!!

McFallin is funniest couple in American politics ever.
One is stupid and another one so senile that can’t remember anything, not even that he is holding a microfon in his own hand.
It would be really funny if is not scarry to death.

Otter
“And he got the leader of Pakistan wrong- how did Obama get this far again? ”
Why… Musharef was the previous dictator Bush supported for almost 10 years.
Musharef is now replaced, Pakistan has elected a new leader, the man of the murdered Benazir Boetho, don’t know his name.
The problem is that this new elected leader is corrupt as hell.

I’m with Sarah — I can’t believe McCain wouldn’t shake hands with Obama. What a snob!
” sarah | Oct 7, 2008 11:29:06 PM
Didn’t anyone else notice that McCain declined to shake hands with Obama after the debate? He motioned “that one” towards Ms Bud and walked away from him. Can’t believe that wasn’t picked up by the pundits! No class.”

It’s clear to me that McCain is getting desperate. The “that one” comment, although disrespectful, was not racist. McCain is over matched and he knows it. I see things getting more nasty from him this final month. Obama is, far and above, the better choice.

I was very worried that I still wouldn’t be able to decide, but tonight’s debate showed me how sincere Sen. McCain is and how much more experienced he is than Sen. Obama. While Sen. Obama has a smooth and convincing way of speaking, I don’t believe his solutions to problems will actually work. I also believe Sen. McCain was only trying to say as much as possible in the time given, and that the “that one” use was completely harmless in its intent. To now focus on it like it was demeaning or racist seems to me like sour grapes.

I wanted to see McCain get all mavericky
on Obama but he just stumbled and mumbled, acting old and seniley. I wanted mavericky and I got seniley! I mean, what’s up with that?

Obama is right on HealtCare. If this is not regulated well, the insurance companies will take shortcuts.
Competition is good, but taking care for rights of patience is even more important. The history shows us the insurance companies care more for their shareholders than for their patients.

I cannot overlook rude behavior. This may seem trivial, but, I would hate to see my president strolling the stage for photo ops in the background while another person is speaking. Would McCain be so disrespectful to a foreign dignitary?

The ‘that one’ moment was yet another senior moment. Grampy McSame couldn’t recall the name of the man he was debating. at least three times.

SHHHH, don’t mention to the guy below that GW didn’t see it happening because…..because…….because…..
He isn’t knowledgeable enough to recongize it….
SHHHHHHHHHHHH. 7 years….. SHHHHHHH
Didn’t know what was happening on his watch…. SHHHHHHHHHH………….
Too busy looking cool…… SHHHHHH
I am not supporting McCain. I just want to mention one thing: The “VERY ORIGIN” of the current economic crisis must go back to the Federal Reserve Board’s activity during Clinton Administration….keeping unreasonably low Fed Fund interst rate of 1.00% for TOO LONG, which ignited home-purchases by many unqualified (for the payment capability) people. The problem just didn’t become apparent until the time when those fraudulent activities by many investment bankers became “no longer sustainable” point.

Gianni,
Obama is the one who can’t remember McCain’s name. Remember in the last debate when he called him the wrong name repeatedly? McCain knows Obama’s name but respectfully calls him Senator Obama instead of a (wrong) first name like Obama did repeatedly. I think it is ironic in that you are obviously discriminatory against McCain’s age. Apparently being ageist is ok in this country but we will unfairly accuse all kinds of people as being racist. Obama’s people even accused former President Clinton, one of the finest Presidents in modern history, as a racist. So pathetic….

”
Guaranteed universal health care is a right in socialist societies.
”
Nope, it’s a right in all Western European countries.. And no, they are not all socialist societies.

Look at all of the angry comments from the democrats. What would they be doing if they were losing?
Ah, now we are back to Ayers. The democrats think that any action they take is justified. They however take great offense at everything – the “that one” comment is a case in point.
I am waiting to see how that will be construed as racism – when the Rev. Wright blow out were not seen as even offensive behavior by them.

Sarah
“Obama’s people even accused former President Clinton, one of the finest Presidents in modern history, as a racist. So pathetic….”
Pathetic to lie about this sarah.

Thanks, Jake. How about an actual opinion?

post-rational
“What would they be doing if they were losing?”
We wouldn’t be such hypocrites like the republicans.
Throwing punches with sleazy personal attacks but crying foul when Obama counter attacks to set the records straight.

McCain keeps talking and forgetting we are in 2008 not the 50s or 70s anymore move forward think about dealing with what is happening now,he also is showing how much he detest Obama,that is not presidential,that shows how he will deal with the rest of the world.He and Palin are not in the greatest form right now.

Imagine Biden pointing his thumb at Failin while uttering “That one”. Would that be considered demeaning? Absolutely!
My friends, “A clear thinking statesman would never use the phrase”.
Phony war hero, crumby pilot, 104 IQ has just gone down in flames.
The guy’s a blithering bigoted idiot.
Maybe it was a freudian slip and he meant to say “The One”.
Those two words will fuel a downward spiral. Just wait and see.

Hanna,
I’ll take Ayers any day of the week than the Keating 5!!!!And, how bout something a lil more recent…Troopergate?! I swear, whenever I mention this, I get 1 of 2 responses. Either it gets ignored in hopes that it’s forgotten or they say, ” Palin is running for VP not Prez. We should stick to the top of the ticket.”Yeah sure, if your candidate wasn’t in his dotage thereby making Palin literally a heartbeat away to Commander in chief. I hear obama lacks experience…etc etc, but when referring to Palin all one hears is crickets!!!

Sarah
” People die of cancer waiting for their turn for chemo and radiation. ”
Again a lie, Sarah
I’m born in Netherlands, but moved to US 10 years ago .
My father had cancer, and past away 3 years ago. And I can tell you, I’m glad he was in the Netherlands and not in the states. He was treated directly, and I was standing at his bed, saw him taking his last breath together with his doctor.

“That One” will now be the next President of the USA.
McCain was snarky, mean, and contemptuous of Obama and the voters in the room.
McCain got slapped down on everything- debating points, understanding the issues, and on style points.
McCain looked feeble and unhealthy. Old, old, old.
Game Over!

Hey, but McCain’s the guy – apparently the ONLY guy – in DC who “works across the aisle”!! You can see it in action everytime he’s around Obama.
He and cindy sure beat it out of there quick…

Obama big problem with Ayers is that they past outy money to brainwash our children wich so sucks you will see they are fixing to get going on this . The papers were just released last week .

McCain Makes No Mention Of “Middle Class” — Again

John Cole:
I guess when it boils down to is that, McCain, for all his tough guy talk, is just a tired old wimp. Given ninety minutes to go after Obama like he and his partner and his surrogates have the past few days, and he said nothing. Given all that time to question Obama’s patriotism, to question his background, to suggest he does not support the troops, and McCain refused to do it. Why didn’t he look him in the eyes and call him Sen. Hussein like his surrogates are doing? Or is that just supposed to be in the background, to make Obama look suspect, to accuse him of being in league with terrorists- but like every punk and every bully he can’t own up to it himself.
On the other hand, Obama, every time he landed a punch, it was something he has done above board, in public. There is no underbelly launching into questions of character- all his punches were fair, legitimate, and issue based. All his punches were on things he had mentioned before, publicly, things he is man enough to put in his commercials and repeat right in John McCain’s face.

Double tax ex too 7000 from 3500

Aussie spake (with an cute geko like accent) – “McCain Makes No Mention Of “Middle Class” — Again”
I guess you missed the part where McCain said that we should buy up the bad loans so that people can stay in their houses. He did go into the specifics of it – and I can understand how you might have missed – as you were looking for a much younger less experienced and trustworth candidate.
Throw a scrimp on the barbi!

im Australian and dont want to live in your country Emm
I think mine is much better! I love our health system that cares for everyone.
I like our clean air and good relations with other nations!
I dont like that racisim and hate that goes with your election!
I do support Obama I think he will make your once great nation great again!
As a nation that has lost alot for our friendship with yours I do once again want the world to respect America..
I want you to be the good guys again!

And under Obama, that 50K will cover about 25 of his hand out recipients.

Andrew Sullivan has the button already posted at THE ATLANTIC
THAT ONE/Biden
08

post-rational
He never mentioned the middle class in the debate and “his” housing plan is already included in the powers given to Treasury Sec. Henry Paulson.
I write “his” because this was something the Democrats sugested at the start that the republicans said would be to costly and wouldnt be appoved!

“All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly”) Sure beats a capitalistic society.”
Delusional.
In practice, socialist still has a ruling upper class corrupt elite who control every aspect of your life from cradle to grave, and every else is poor.
In practice, capitalism allows the individual to achieve his goals base on his own merit and motivation.

Aussie spake “I dont like that racisim and hate that goes with your election!”
We love Australian and Australia, but we know you have terrible problems with the influx of Indonesians, Arabs, amd Malaysians. We have seen the beaches closed where Arabs were accosting swimsuit clad women.
No one is perfect. We try to fight ignorance and put our lives on the line for other people. You Aussies have a proud tradition for that, too.

I don’t know why they called this a “town hall” debate.
The questions were all submitted ahead of time, Brokaw had control over which questions were asked, and then added his own question after each question asked by the audience.
I wonder what questions they didn’t get to and what questions were passed over.
I was very disappointed in the whole arrangement, and felt that this debate should have been conducted as a more traditional town hall.

post-rational
The truth of the cronulla beach riots comes down to this… Drunk people with nothing to do! Its that simple! 40+ deg c, booze and bordom… Along with stupid talk back radio that goated it on..
I hope you also saw the anti-racism rallies that took place in cites all over Australia!

Aussie – yes, I should have realized that your anti-racism rallies were put together because you have none. My bad.

We as American voters interested and focused on participating in this election have our differences despite the logic and obvious of choice…how unfortunate that we give way to our human fallible nature and hard core beliefs. We should not agree totally on either candidate but we should rest our better judgement on who would best lead or better put, represent the office of President of these United States of America…it is our responsibility and obligation to cast a vote for the one candidate that will best represent our most common interest, nuff said here…clearly this choice must be Sen. Obama. We have all heard the soap box rhetorical verses and must trust that one of these choices has OUR best interest in mind along with the crap that this office holds…our best hope is believing in ourselves and choosing one that understands that hope we share along with the great task of the duty of office.

“Concern Ohio”
You are already paying for someones else’s health care. That is why the cost of Health care is so expensive.`!!!

PrezObama08,
Well, I will make one last comment too about universal healthcare and then I am signing off. Do I doubt that the US Federal govt can perfect universal health care when other countries have not been able to? Heck yes, I doubt it!!! I am an extremely patriotic person but don’t try to throw platitudes about American ingenuity out as proof that we can perfect univeral healthcare. Look at Medicaid and Medicare in this country and the quality of care there. What does that tell you? How about all those senior citizens who are forced into nursing homes to live out their remaining years b/c of the nursing home lobbyists who lined the pockets of our Congressmen. Most of the elderly could be treated and cared for in a compassionate, dignified manner in the privacy of their own home for about 1/4 what it costs to house them in nursing homes but our esteemed politicians and their greed saw to it that it is not an option. If you are looking to the jokers in Washington to come up with a feasible plan to make universal healthcare really work….you are delusional.

Mr. Post Rational,
I belong to that class that was once called “untouchables”. I can proudly say that we consider them as the “thing” of the past and we have grown from there. More importantly, if any one make such a comment, that was used in those untouchable-era, publicly, will definitely end up in prison for sure.
McCain might not have intended that but it was utterly disrespectful.

In the early days of the $700b bailout debate both Sen Clinton and Obama suggested we may need to do a new version of the “Home Owners’ Loan Corporation Act” as was done in 1933 under President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Republicans where against it although one news story said this at the time “speculation that U.S. Senator John McCain may support this plan but this has not been confirmed”
So its not a new Idea it Mccain coming out in support of something already dicussed!

raj – I think you are disrespectful for accusing s US senator of making a racial slur on television in front of millions of people.
The Indians in the US usually stay within there cast among Indians, but move freely in American society. You can say what you want. You know that Indians are migrating in droves to the US. That is usually for our free and accepting culture – and opportunity.
And we love you here.

McCain missed a golden opportunity tonight to stick it to Obama on Bill Ayers.
When Obama, still keeping up his tired Bush/McCain mantra, started talking about what President Bush said after the 9/11 attacks was to tell Americans to go shopping, McCain should have come back and repeated the charming words that Bill Ayers said after 9/11:
“I don’t regret setting bombs…I feel we didn’t do enough…”

PrezObama08,
Yeah, that’s it. I am the one who came unarmed when you are the one talking about in a political discussion? I chose not to respond to that b/c I personally found it offensive. Interesting how you hold Hilary in such high esteem (as do I, although I disagreed just as vehemently with her universal healthcare plan)but yet Obama could not deign to pick her as his VP? Tsk, tsk, tsk….Didn’t you learn in debate class not to bring up your own candidates own failures?

With age comes wisdom. And Obama is still at the See Spot Run level.

aussie and raj – glad you guys are not voting. Of coruse, you could apply to the Chicago ACORN office and they could probably get you registered and an absentee ballot.

We have the best socialized healthcare in the world right now. You and I are paying for it but we can’t actually get it.
I’m glad we have it though. McCain looked like he will be needing it soon.
All congress persons get socialized healthcare and they love it.
McCain wants to tax the value of your employer provided healthcare. That would mean every government employee including our elected congress. Also, the needy president and vice president. Right? Fat chance little lemmings.
Socialized medicine for congress. They’ll never loose their houses seven houses when they get cancer. But you will.

post-rational
Ive been to and lived in the US Ive seen the good part of the American people and Ive seen the ugly..
Ive seen how Americans treat Mexicans in CA Ive seen how America treats Black people in the south..
Racisim is Americas uglist part!

I’m too tired to go into any great detail and even if i did it would be short of the top heavy BS that actually goes on in this country every day…to take a shot at Gov. funding, its all corrupt…its starts with pork bills dropped down to states and corporations cutting the pie, then feathered out to organizations and by the time it gets to the PEOPLE on the ground they’re just numbers on the books to keep this jacked up trickle down money game going…do you think that the city council official that has a small hand in the till really gives a flying skippy what the federal ideas are or the national polling is on this…this is just sound bite rhetoric on the bigger picture or better put the smaller picture…the smaller picture that no one really sees…the poor and impoverished neighborhoods with little infrastructure improvements, little business, high unemployment and the list goes on…again sound bite info but enough to understand its all game.

McCain offers a new plan to help homeowners by having their mortgages re-financed to save on monthly mortgage payments and prevent foreclosures.
Obama campaign jealous and didn’t have Hillary to steal the idea from.
Obama team reaction: The same sad response to Bill and Hillary….play the race card.
Who wants 4 years of Obama crying racism?
Not me!
Obama was disrespectful to Hillary by turning away from her and not shaking her hand at the State of the Union.
Obama is not only not ready but he has a lot of growing up to do and is not Presidential.

Wow Lee what a fantastic argument on why he should be prz!! So any POW that survives has the qualities to be commander of first rate country???? His survival is nothing short of awe-inspiring, but the fact that he’s still “goin strong” has nothing to do with mental fortitude. It’s probably because of the fabulous socialized healthcare he receives!

post-rational
” McCain will not only reach across the aisle (I hate that term – work with everyone is better), McCain has actually done that. Obama has no history of having done reached across party boundaries for two reasons – he would not do it and he has so far done nothing.”
You’re maybe talking about the McCain from 2000. But not the McCain of 2008.
His selection of Palin was for me a vote of no confidence.
If he had picked a more authentic centrist VP, someone like Colin Powell, I really would have considered McCain.
Instead he caved in to the right-wing cronies.

I am speaking of personal fortitude.
McCain has it. “That One” does not.

So glad McCain says Pack-is-tan like most Americans…..but the Anti American Obama says Pock-is-tan….like two of his only friends from college days who he travelled with to Pock-is-tan. The two Pakistanis I’m referencing have declined all interviews but have donated $100,000 each to his campaign. None of BO’s druggie college friends ever come out of hiding. Actually Jessie Jackson is in the Witness Protection Programs now, come to think of it. Where is Rev. Al, Rev. Wright….everyone laying low til their guy gets in….?

CLabs – I agree Mitt Romney was the most qualified candidate for office this term. Guiliani was also very well qualified – executive experience, fiscal responsibility, and a good guy.

The race card crap is just BS…this is why this country is stuck on stupid, I’ll never know. Yes, it still exist and the obvious is posted here and practiced…once the racist stop playing the blame game trying to be more intelligent than they really are, maybe we can get something done…its just sad…the game is the game…you don’t get to run for President if you don’t play the game…it doesn’t stop stupidity, but you just can’t play the game and the game is bigger than race, stupid.

Aussie – I’ll let you do your own research and evaluation. From your problems with the heat, I think you might want to stay out of Chicago in the summer time and definitely stay away from the beaches. We do not put up with that sort of silliness here in the US. Women are first class citizens like everyone else here.

“If you are planning on voting for sen. mccain, you were no supporter of mine and what i stand for.”
Sen. Hillary R. Clinton,speaking at the 2008 Democratic Convention
Denver.
“NO WAY, NO HOW, NO Mccain”
HRC-2008

Aussie – no I am not backing McCain. I am backing you because you are so generous with women – blaming them for all of Australias problems and then denying that Australia has problems. You might want to scroll back and see what you wrote.

post-rational
Woman in Australia are equal citizens..
Woman in Australia are treated fine the are aloud to bath in the sun topless and nude if they so choose unhindered and fine!
You clearly have been here!
Ive been to you coutry I’ve seen the good and the bad!
Ive seen true kindness in boise idaho to out and out racisim in Ca and the south!

Read some news reports, then post. The reference was to Ayers and it’s still unconfirmed that anyone said anything. Even Secret Service said they heard nothing.

you can go back and forth on this all night.
i’ll just stand by my last post. and everything you keep posting what you posted, just go back and read my last post.

thx, jake ;)

“I love how the media found something ANYTHING to be a negative against Mc Cain. ”
Exactly. Grasping at straws.

McCain and Palin are ugly humans!
Obama is a leader who cares about the issues that effect the American people!

pecanpii: Patrick Sheehan, of UBS Investment Bank (which also employs Phil Gramm is on the Board of the Woods Fund – and was also there when ACORN was awarded money. Do you consider him to be corrupt? Communist? “Pals” around with someone not like us? I think he might be surprised to hear that.
Now for Obama: My Dad died of Alzheimers, and you are right. It is sad – except for the chances this man is taking with this country and my daughter’s life.
As for That One – I love it – and I want a button.

“Read some news reports, then post. The reference was to Ayers and it’s still unconfirmed that anyone said anything. Even Secret Service said they heard nothing.”
If nothing was said how do you know it referenced Ayers?
The Secret Service is investigating.

Ryan C
ayers is secondary… ACORN is Obamas main funding source and they are being investigated in Nev now… you want obama at all costs and there will be hundreds of investigations that will actually have some merit as apposed to the witch hunts Pres Clinton was subjected to

Besides saying “that one” (just like a man saying “that woman” and in a condescending way..McCain said something else you better pay attention to…he said when he is president he would buy up more failed housing loans (to the tune of another $300billion)and that does not worry you?
After a $700 billion bailout, how much is enough?? Wasn’t the $700 billion already meant for that?
Worries me.
Obama/Biden ’08

Jaime
Im a democrat and still uncomfortable with Obama… he may win because he is able to bs his way through but he will fall flat like any other poltician… which he is.. and the ACORN and ayers stuff is relevant because Obama handed ayers a 50 million dollar grant to give to organizations in chicago in the 90s and thats suspect at best

This was not a debate, Tim Russert we needed you in the election season to ask hard questions. both did well ill give Mccain A-, Obama B-(this was because of his rambling on and on.)But he gave very direct answers to questions he could answer, like wise with Mccain but foregin policy is what the president decides on that the american public has little say over (edge Mccain) the economy will turn around and then what (both Tied)and relating to people in the crowd (edge Mccain). the press love Obama so much that they didnt even pay attention to utterly sloppy, down unprofessional Tom Brokaw, which I liked up til now. You sitting in Tim Russert chair, sir. Either retire from jouralism, or sign up be a spokesman for Obama. I’m a democrat no matter who wins the press need to reevaulate how the do business they arent Objective and ethical,
R.I.P
Tim Russert we miss you big guy!!!!!!

Quintell
yea it was not a true town hall debate.. I watched the replay of the 92 town hall on c-span where there were genuine questions and gut reactions and transparent manerisms from the candidates… Obama did try to play bill clinton btu he came off looking sortof small

Who voted against biofuels and the development of alternative energy that would lead to energy-independence? McCain!
Obama/Biden 08!

“that one” is racist?
I’m sick of the Obama campaign finding racism at every turn, from Ayers being called a “terrorist” to Obama being referred to as “that one”. The Obama campaign, Democrats, and minions either are so racist themselves that they can see nothing else, or this is just a political ploy.
My money’s on the political ploy.

Seeing McCain’s attitude and behavior towards a fellow American, and an American leader at that, makes me question his ability to deal with foreign nationals and leaders with respect and decorum. If he can’t show respect to Obama how is going to treat those from around the world?

Did hear that racist dog McCain… He walked in front of Obama. How dare him. How disrepectful and racsist. Did you see when he looked at him and pointed at him! What a dastardly RACIST! I swear. When McCain sad ‘that one’ I was shocked and appauled. I know that term ‘that one’ has always meant something racist. My African American mother used to call me that all the time when she was mad at me and wanted to “keep me down”. This is disgusting!!

He’ll never make it to POTUS. His deceptions and real agenda are soon to be revealed and the American people will wake up from their trance. He’ll be lucky if the media doesn’t throw HIM under the bus once the indictments of treason start.

btw, that one says computer was invented by govt. how come nobody caught it. If it is Mccain people would be pondering all over it to say how non technical he is

The statement “that one” reflects John McCain’s methods on trail recently. Palin and McCain are enticing crowd hate, racial prejudice, terrorist, kill him, treason at campaign rallies. At the end of debate when Obama tried to shake McCain hands McCain refused. McCain’s well known erratic explosive temper and hate were quite apparent. In contrast Obama displayed good sportsmanship and body and facial language were quite cordial.
I am white college educated medical professional and Registered Republican, but I have no tolerance for MCCain and Palin’s dangerous encouragement to crowd to cause bodily harm to another Presidential Candidate!! FBI needs to stop this!! Both Democrats and Republicans should be quite angry!! I am quite angry!!

Not so much racist…. as just vile and contemptful.
McCain clearly cannot control his emotions. His erratic behavior shows us that much. Couple with his inability to look Obama in the eye. And McCain comes off as kind of desperate and threatened. He moved around the stage like a possum, and would occassionally leer with his jaws open, like possums do when frightened.
“That one!” Just kind of sealed the whole deal.

I thought “That one” was pretty rude. When I am talking to a person I say him or her or call them by their name. You don’t say “that one”.
I’m not saying McCain should bow and scrape at Obama’s feet or go far out of his way to respect him in, but I think he could have should simple civility by referring to Obama by his name or as a person. Obama showed McCain that in the past two debates, looking at him and listening when McCain was talking. I also found it particularly annoying that McCain would be walking around when Obama was talking, it was quite distracting.
Still, McCain and Palin have made their campaign very negative. While they are not outright telling people that Obama is a terrorist, that’s what they seem to be insinuating the past few days.

Focus people. PORK. This is a non story meant to detract from the important point McCain made. He could lose a few of the “my friends” remarks for my taste, but the message is about PORK. Don’t get all wrapped up in the distractions.
“By the way, my friends, I know you grow a little weary with this back-and-forth. It was an energy bill on the floor of the Senate loaded down with goodies, billions for the oil companies, and it was sponsored by Bush and Cheney.
You know who voted for it? You might never know. That one. You know who voted against it? Me.
I have fought time after time against these pork barrel — these bills that come to the floor and they have all kinds of goodies and all kinds of things in them for everybody and they buy off the votes.
(From another part of the speech: He voted for nearly a billion dollars in pork barrel earmark projects, including, by the way, $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. My friends, do we need to spend that kind of money?)
I vote against them, my friends. I vote against them. But the point is, also, on oil drilling, oil drilling offshore now is vital so that we can bridge the gap. We can bridge the gap between imported oil, which is a national security issue, as well as any other, and it will reduce the price of a barrel of oil, because when people know there’s a greater supply, then the cost of that will go down.
That’s fundamental economics. We’ve got to drill offshore, my friends, and we’ve got to do it now, and we can do it.”

“It seems to dehumanize them into an object instead of a person.”
Almost as good as Obama’s comment that Hillary was “likable enough”?

Hmmm, can’t look Obama in the eye….what will he do when he has to actually address heads of other countries? Send “winky” Palin, of course! McCain is erratic, and as age marches on, will only become more so. He is in no position to participate in a global environment. He does not have the demeanor or the mindset. Also, FYI, I am not 20, 30, or 40..try 50, and in the medical profession.

“That old one” was in a
state of agitation and
high dudgeon the whole
debate.

Did you all watch the debate last night? Obama explained what he’ll do for America if he’s elected, while McCain literally danced around the stage. Town Hall format & Obama knocked him out again. Sorry McCain having an attitude just helps us, keep up the good work. See you in the Senate next year.
Obama 2 – McCain 0
Obama/Biden the coolest ticket in town

Yeh, too bad they won’t work, as evidenced by the continued fall of the Dow in response to these bright ideas.

“Sen McCain was an officer and he was born in a period of MANNORS.”
If indeed there was some disrespect intended, and not an innocent use of two words we use everyday when referring to that one and not this one, he probably picked it up from Obama’s comment on Hillary as “likable enough.”
Seriously, this is the most trivial whine in the history of mankind, but yet again, the Dems have managed to outdo themselves this time.

Emm,
I don’t think many people would have pounced on it if McCain hadn’t in the previous debate seemed to be really angry with Obama and snickering when Obama was talking, in addition to not looking at him the whole while. Not to mention he refused to shake Obama’s hand after the second debate and got Cindy to shake it instead.
If hadn’t done all of that, I’m sure people would probably taking as a misconstruing of words, not a sign of contempt. I found it rather condescending that McCain kept saying Obama didn’t understand this or that. Well, Obama had a good reply in my opinion: You’re right. I don’t understand how we ended up invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Not to mention McCain kept walking around when Obama was talking. Rather distracting.
The issue is McCain seems to be quite peevish and grumpy these days- and he’s letting it show too plainly.

I wouldn’t vote for the Republican ticket if McCain was running for dog catcher and Palin was the pit bull he was chasing. I’m fed up with them.

justj joey,
It is not black\white thing. It is simply a dis-respect for sitting United States Senator. Is it being blown out of proportion? Sure. But that is what campaigns do. Republicans are guilty too for assuming it is race baiting. It is simply an insensitive remark from an insensitive Senator who, while he should no better, has a long history of making insensitive remarks when getting a bit riled. It goes to temperment and judgement. The remark re-inforces people’s belief McCain has neither.

I just seem to find it rather strange that Palin was in FL and after her remarks
“Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric’s questions for her “less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media.” At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy.”
She did not find it needed to say anything against the racial slurs, she just went on with her speach. And now McCain has pointed out “that one”. I can’t help but think that they are trying to play on the fears of the American people by pointing out that
“that one—’racial slur’ is Dangerous”
Even with his Harvard education.
I am very ashamed.

hey, INDYVOTER…….since your most recent comment doesn’t make much sense, I really can’t comment on it, so I will let it pass……sorry can’t hang around for your next gem…..I’m heading out now to save the economy of the country…..or as Obama would say,
“,,,,of the world.! Bye now.

I had a knee jerk reaction last night when I heard that comment, and the finger point. I just felt it. Not that I had a second to “analyze”, or even say well, it’s just this, or that.
Now also imagine Mcsame doing THAT at a conference with like,…. North Korea, or Pakistan, or Spain. Oh, wait a minute.
I forgot. He won’t even speak to them.
Posted by: pamela | Oct 8, 2008 2:01:42 PM
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If you had not been schooled in racism you would not have noticed ‘that one’ comment. I am black and I was paying attention to the speech for more comments of substance than name calling.
If you are for Obama you should be listening for just what he will do for the country, and it isn’t what you think you are hearing.

Pookie:
I am actually schooled in poli-sci, and pscy…. I think that the fact that you are standing up for JM after he point blank counter-manded himself, several times last night, and repeatedly attempted to perpetuate the same lie about Obamas tax plan, and what he said about Pakistan (point blank, and with no ambiguity) over and over is commedable. Sad, but commendable.

I’m a black male, but not one of those ‘cry-wolf/everything-is-racist’ types. I tend to give people speaking off the cuff a bit of leeway in the words they choose and I save my accusations of racism for when it’s clear.
This lets some people off the hook b/c polished politicians know how to use loaded language rather than clumsy racial epithets, and they frequently get away with it. But at least I avoid accusing people of racism that don’t deserve it.
With McCain and his ‘that one’ comment there’s a few things that should be noted.
1) McCain is the one that said Obama should be very careful with every word he utters. If McCain’s going to turn ‘lipstick on a pig’ into a sexist attack when it clearly wasn’t, Republicans shouldn’t belly-ache about ‘that one’ being questioned as racist. Many black AND white people raised an eyebrow when he said it. We’re not making it up (in fact, we’re responding to a CBS article written about it). Stop trying to let the old dude off the hook. He’s the one that started it.
2) McCain said openly that he was going to attack Barack’s character. That suggests aforethought. Maybe it was an accident, but ‘that one’ was definitely a loaded word–maybe not racist, but at least racially insensitive, like ‘uppity’ is. If he’s going to telegraph his personal attacks, he should be accountable if they come across as racist. Again, Republicans, stop belly-aching.
3) We don’t go around calling him ‘John Sidney McCain’ because it would be stupid and awkward, so why does McCain’s camp/surrogates keep calling him ‘Barack Hussein Obama’? This is not deep insight obviously, we know why. I only mention it because it’s SO sophomoric and basic and clumsy, that it’s preposterous that grown-ups not named Karl Rove would resort to it. It would be laughable except that it’s so insidious. And the worst part is, there are dumb people out there that go for the head-fake, and it gives people that are inclined towards racist views license to act and speak on them. If John Sidney McCain was a principled man, he wouldn’t allow that crap. Too bad he isn’t.
4) All Republicans are racist and so is everything they say (just kidding…a little Al Sharpton humor never hurt nobody).

And another thing…Obama is way smarter than John McCain. McCain isn’t dumb like Bush is dumb, but Obama has a robust, formidable intelligence that McCain doesn’t even sniff. Republicans can call it elitist to be smart and educated if they want but I’d be embarrassed if my presidential campaign finished 894th out of a class of 899 and my VP candidate flunked out of 3 or 4 junior colleges and is married to a “First Dude” that didn’t go to college at all (not that that’s bad) and was a member of a political party that advocated secession from the U.S.

“I am a brain surgeon. Didn’t obama say he was going to give a tax cut to 95% of the American people”
Yes he did.
And he has been referencing the American working family and how his tax plan benefits them.
Right wingers who pretend they are smart like to play semantic games with the statement. But these are usually the same people that make the argument that McCain was referencing the American worker when he said the fundamentals of this economy are strong.
So their credibility is zero.
Obama’s tax plan gives fare4 more of a tax cut to families making less than $200K than McCain’s.
Obama’s tax plan raises payrool taxes on those making $200K+ and income taxes on those making $250K+
It includes tax credits for health care for small businesses.

sad, pookie, sad…. the birth cert. is on the website: c’mon, you know better than that.
The tax cut plan is also on the website.
I think you would actually find it quite refreshing as a analytical to see detailed and laid out (at least for this stage)plan that can show you, me , and everyone who got torqed this week or two , how we are going to get back on the right track.
It is a well read plan, and I am also happy to recommend his healthcare plan to you. Especially as a healthcare professional, you will be delighted to see that you wont’ have to concern yourself with no-pay clients who need life-saving surgery.
Instead of working for the “drug-dealers” ha ha, who show up with their fancy briefs, and “recommendations” you will be able to actually be a Dr….. no more working with your “hands tied” to the medical insurance and pharmaceuticals industry. Unless you actually enjoyed that.

Pamela, I have looked at the birth certificate, just a couple days ago.
This certificate looks like one you could buy at the office supply and complete as you see fit, or it is just a certification of birth. Most birth certificates list, doctor and the doctor’s signature. Have you looked at McCain’s, to see if there is a difference?
I want you to tell me that they are not going to send checks to the 40% that do not pay taxes. I don’t care if it is on the web, anyone can put anything on the web. That is a place I do not believe anything I read about any subject.

Correction! I believe that Obama refers to McCain as “this guy”. Thats probably very important to some of you.

I betcha “empty head” at least knows it’s spelled Barack.

Bob
I heard it again on on Larry King and Mccain was trying to be humorous but both candidates lack humor especially Obama… Ive had it with this trying not to lose… its gort to be bad when Michele seems like the same one at this point

My friends,
My crimson tie has turned blue, like the sky over here in Alaska…where I’m with my little friends the squirrel, the moose and the pit bull.
To paint the now extinct snow over here, I use some of my left over grey locks to make a brush (because economics have turned bad on me)..smash it like so…that’s the best part of it !!..(like telling old stories about so called ‘terrorists’ to the forefront).
And then..my friends.. to paint the bare stone frame line that has surfaced, I use some of the burnt sienna color of my young ignorant friend over here, who by the way doesn’t know that the cause of the ice melting and climate change in her home state of Alaska is manmade.
Ok..my friends, this was the last episode of painting the nation’s budget in RED (and of Republicans ever being elected in the USA again)…God Bless & Good Night, my friends. RIP, JR.

i am stunned that some people still think there is a connection between bill ayers and barack obama. even more stunned that anyone but a white supremest, neoconservative, or fundamentalist would even be thinking of voting for the guy. with palin catering to the violent streak manifesting in her rallies i am speechless with disgust when i read one more diatribe on obama for something that he had nothing to do with. he was eight when ayers was in the weather underground. i don’t know about you but i don’t automatically do a background search when i am introduced to a college professor. if no one said this is bill ayers the one who was acquitted of charges that he was involved in domestic bonbings how would obama know? he does not hang with the guy and his campaign was started by a rabbi and the rabbi’s wife. incidentally the rabbi’s wife is quite upset that people are saying ayers started obama’s campaign. get it right people and for crying out loud THINK about what your being asked to believe. you don’t get to the presidential race without having been scrutinized ad nauseum.