The Note: For a Night, No Avoiding Obama Message
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports in Wednesday’s Note:
While you’re watching (or not watching) the Great Roadblocked Obama Show over on those other networks — framed by a “World News” interview, a “Daily Show” appearance, and other entertainment known informally as Late Night with Bill and Barack — pause to consider the plight of Team McCain six days out.
No cash to respond in kind. No loyalties to enforce kindnesses. No kind of consistent message to refocus the race.
Yet something may shift yet in this campaign — and that still-softish middle is Sen. Barack Obama’s audience for his unique infomercial Wednesday night.
Maybe this is a silly waste of money and time (and at $3 million and 30 minutes, it a lot of both). Maybe Malia Obama isn’t the only American who wants her programming lineup intact. Maybe this is just too weird, or too boring, or too Ross Perot (one “deep voodoo” reference, and we click), for an electorate to swallow.
(And maybe this is an odd time for Obama to be attacking Gov. Sarah Palin so directly in a TV ad — wink and all.)
Read the rest of The Note — and get all the latest on the 2008 election, Congress, the White House and the wide world of politics every day — from Rick Klein by bookmarking this link.
But Wednesday’s primetime buy can be Obama’s most valuable type of forum — the kind where he gets to look like a president. It’s a fireside-chat moment, in front of that most sacred of American boxes — Obama’s last best opportunity to appear presidential before he actually might get a chance to be president.
“At times he will speak directly into the camera about his 20-month campaign, at others he will highlight everyday voters, their everyday troubles, and his plans to address them,” writes The New York Times’ Jim Rutenberg, who got to see a one-minute trailer of the 30-minute address.
Rutenberg: “The trailer is heavy in strings, flags, presidential imagery and some Americana filmed by Davis Guggenheim, whose father was the campaign documentarian of Robert F. Kennedy. As the screen flashes scenes of suburban lawns, a freight train and Mr. Obama seated at a kitchen table with a group of white, apparently working-class voters, Mr. Obama says: ‘We’ve seen over the last eight years how decisions by a president can have a profound effect on the course of history and on American lives; much that’s wrong with our country goes back even farther than that.’ ”
Obama continues, “We’ve been talking about the same problems for decades and nothing is ever done to solve them. For the past 20 months, I’ve traveled the length of this country, and Michelle and I have met so many Americans who are looking for real and lasting change that makes a difference in their lives.”
“This is going to be more like a television show, rather than a speech, top Obama campaign officials tell ABC News,” per ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. “We’re going to see a ‘lively half-hour of television,’ one Obama aide told ABC News, speaking only half tongue-in-cheek.”
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ABC News’ Hope Ditto contributed to this report.
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No avoiding, why don’t you have cable or satellite? I have a hundred channels and I know where the off button is on the remote…easy stuff!
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 29, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am
No avoiding Obama message? Really? I’ve managed to avoid it for months. I just switch channels or tune it out. I figured this charlatan out a long time ago. Half hour of prime time just confirms what I already figured out – loads of money coming from God knows where. Half a billion dollars from college kids on the internet? Come on. Only the deluded Obamabots will buy that sh$T.
Posted by: ObamaThuggery | October 29, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
I am looking forward to hearing from the next president of the United States of America.
This country is long overdue for a long term, forward thinker like Barak Obama.
Posted by: Truth Matters | October 29, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
Update America:
PRINCETON, NJ — A Gallup update based on more than 21,000 interviews conducted as part of Gallup Poll Daily tracking in October shows that registered voters’ religious intensity continues to be a powerful predictor of their presidential vote choice. John McCain wins overwhelmingly among non-Hispanic whites who attend church weekly, while Barack Obama dominates among whites who seldom or never attend church.
Non Hispanic White that attend church weekly: Obama 28%…..McCain 65%
White Hispanic White that attend church weekly: Obama 43%…McCain 46%
Looks like Mr. Wright using the name of God in vain, Obama and Pastor Joel Hunter praying to (false) GODS lost the race to control religious people that believe in one GOD. AMEN.
Posted by: Update America | October 29, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Obama isn’t the first to buy prime time. Ross Perot was the first. I remember his 1/2 hour speech. I watched it along with friends. Our conclusion: Perot trying to buy the election. Kind of like Obama, isn’t it? Promising everything to everybody to get himself elected, with no intention of giving ANYBODY a tax cut. People are stupid. Obama knows that. He’s the best shyster I’ve ever seen.
I kinda hope he does make it, just to see the Obama cultists get screw@#D over by their Messiah!!!
Posted by: Carole | October 29, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
put down the kool-aid Rick. This is you rlast chance to see Obama pretend to be President. Thank goodness the Obama show will be permanently cancelled next Tuesday.
Posted by: geevill | October 29, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Lyndon LaRoche was the first. Another wacko like obama
Posted by: geevill | October 29, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
I am more interested in how John McCain *avoids* answering this question:
Are you John McCain willing today to call for the end of all redistributionist government programs including:
A) Social Security
B) Medicare
C) Unemployment insurance
D) All local property taxes
E) All local sales taxes
F) All federal funds going to Alaska, the number 1 recipient, which receives THREE times as much federal ‘pork’ per citizen than, for example, the state of Illinois
FOLLOW UP QUESTION:
Are you, John McCain, a Socialist by your own definition???
Posted by: John McCain's conscience | October 29, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am
Is Rick Klein aware his employer is televising “Pushing Daisies” and not “The Barack Obama Razzle Dazzle BS Show”
Way to throw your bosses under the bus Rick.
Posted by: geevill | October 29, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
I think people are finally realizing this guy is a great speaker and nothing more! His true agenda is coming out over the last couple of weeks with Joe the Plumber/1196 Speach/2001 Interview all about spreading the wealth. His relationship with Rashid Khalidi/Tony Rezko/Bill Ayers. Why are all these people keeping silent? Now we have his Birth Certificate under seal by the Govenor of Hawai, and proff that Rezko was funded by a bagman for Sadam Husain. The LA Times not releasing a tape of Obama addressing a pro Palestinians event for his good friend Khalidi? Too much Obama is covering up and the people of America are starting to ask “IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, WHY?”
Posted by: chuck | October 29, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
chill with the hate,
either look at it or turn the channel what’s the big deal
Posted by: watching | October 29, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
Posted by: Update America | Oct 29, 2008 9:08:20 AM
*Last time I checked white people aren’t the only people in this country.. plus they stole it from the Indians anyways.. this isn’t your land! This is the Native American’s land that you’ve sold off into non existance.. then had the nerve to claim the nation under God.. wow!
Posted by: Stolen! | October 29, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
It has backfire written all over it. Obama trying to get a second covention bounce. Instead he will make even more people sick of seeing him. Who wants four years of that.
Posted by: geevill | October 29, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
Is Rick Klein aware his employer is televising “Pushing Daisies” and not “The Barack Obama Razzle Dazzle BS Show”
Way to throw your bosses under the bus Rick.
Posted by: geevill | Oct 29, 2008 9:14:06 AM
** Here’s the devil w/ a sarah palin costume on…
Posted by: Stolen! | October 29, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am
It has backfire written all over it. Obama trying to get a second covention bounce. Instead he will make even more people sick of seeing him. Who wants four years of that.
Posted by: geevill | Oct 29, 2008 9:17:30 AM
** What America is tired of seeing is Bush and his allies the Republican party… Right wing conservatives who stole the land.. Southern folks who just can’t get over the fact they lost the war!!
Posted by: Stolen! | October 29, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
The GOP is teed off because they didn’t think of this. Obama funding is completely by the American people. The money he spends is not taxpayer dollars from the government but rather taxpayers who choose to provide financial support to BO. If McCain stayed on message and didn’t choose an idoit for VP I would have voted for him. But since he didn’t….. my vote went to BO.
Posted by: truth | October 29, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
I will be watching. Should be interesting to see how he does it.
Posted by: Joseph | October 29, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am
It’s funny all this time people are tired of the policies of Bush but come on people… do you want to be taxed on your insurance premium, and pay big business when they fail (bailout). Well under McCain you will… talk about paying more into the pockets of big corportations.
Obama/Biden 08′
Posted by: truth | October 29, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
ADVOID, I will. I would probably have eaten by then and I would like to keep my dinner down. If I feel the need to be Mesmerized I will tune in a Bay Watch rerun.
Posted by: doomedbybho | October 29, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
“Update America:
PRINCETON, NJ — A Gallup update based on more than 21,000 interviews conducted as part of Gallup Poll Daily tracking in October shows that registered voters’ religious intensity continues to be a powerful predictor of their presidential vote choice. John McCain wins overwhelmingly among non-Hispanic whites who attend church weekly, while Barack Obama dominates among whites who seldom or never attend church.
Non Hispanic White that attend church weekly: Obama 28%…..McCain 65%
White Hispanic White that attend church weekly: Obama 43%…McCain 46%
Looks like Mr. Wright using the name of God in vain, Obama and Pastor Joel Hunter praying to (false) GODS lost the race to control religious people that believe in one GOD. AMEN.”
…
Here’s an update for you:
The religious right has been voting Republican for decades.
Posted by: Reason | October 29, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
“No avoiding Obama message? Really? I’ve managed to avoid it for months. I just switch channels or tune it out. I figured this charlatan out a long time ago. Half hour of prime time just confirms what I already figured out – loads of money coming from God knows where. Half a billion dollars from college kids on the internet? Come on. Only the deluded Obamabots will buy that sh$T.”
…
So you never listened to him AND you figured him out. Sounds pretty fair and balanced.
Is it “deluded Obamanots” or is it the largest grassroots effort in the history of politics”?
Posted by: Reason | October 29, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Republicans have done their part to bring division and hate to this country, thank you, I don’t need to watch Obama tonight, I already voted for him, the last eight years have been a nightmare, losing jobs, losing homes, high gas prices, just need to make a change….
Posted by: Paul T. | October 29, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
E_DAY – 6: ELECTORAL COLLEGE EV POLLS
2008
Obama 364
McCain 157
Tie 17
2004
Bush 281
Kerry 236
Tie 21
State-by-State Polls Are What Matters And Always Predict The Winer.
Source: http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 29, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
ABC’s “Pushing Daisies” will have record ratings for this evening.
Posted by: Watch ABC | October 29, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
“I think people are finally realizing this guy is a great speaker and nothing more! His true agenda is coming out over the last couple of weeks with Joe the Plumber/1196 Speach/2001 Interview all about spreading the wealth. His relationship with Rashid Khalidi/Tony Rezko/Bill Ayers. Why are all these people keeping silent? Now we have his Birth Certificate under seal by the Govenor of Hawai, and proff that Rezko was funded by a bagman for Sadam Husain. The LA Times not releasing a tape of Obama addressing a pro Palestinians event for his good friend Khalidi? Too much Obama is covering up and the people of America are starting to ask “IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, WHY?” ”
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Why do you fall for all that stuff? Empty you inbox and stop watching Fox News. Obama’s got so much positive energy and is a very nice man who loves his family.
Attacking him is like attacking a teddy bear.
Posted by: Reason | October 29, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
How could anyone vote for someone who accuses people of bias if they speak his middle name? Wake up, America, before all your rights are gone!
Posted by: tina | October 29, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
McCain = DISHONORABLE; Palin = SCARY!!!
Posted by: Howard Gallas | October 29, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Break away from the madness people and watch something else:
ABC has on Pushing Daisies
BIO has on The Horrors of Hussein(for those that are too young or do not remember)
Animal Planet has on Animal Witness (for you PETA fans)
There are also reruns: Law & Order;The Cosby Show; House etc
The point is, if you are as sick of seeing and hearing about Obama as a lot of people are; turn the channel.
Posted by: Sarah | October 29, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
If you go right now and donate online to Obama under the name Aldolf Hitler his campaign will accept the donation. That is where he gets his money. He is unethical. He did not keep his promise on campaign financing. He is so unAmerican that he will delay the start of the World Series. He asks people to take the day off of work to vote for him utterly unaware that companies cannot afford to have people out of work. He changed the American seal on his plane to some New World seal. He gets a pass from ABC News on fundraising. When he wins- you better get in the food line early because it will be a long cold depression.
Posted by: Cameron | October 29, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Either watch it or rent a DVD. I, for one, am looking forward to hearing what Mr. Obama has to say when he’s not being interrupted by a sputtering, spitting, angry old man who keeps shouting campaign bumper sticker slogans. Many of us have contributed whatever we can to give Obama the opportunity to address us like this.
Posted by: paintpaintpaint | October 29, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
I would never get sick of seeing an intelligent, articulate president with a real plan. Bush, yes. The prospective of a bumbling McCain repeating himself over and over and avoiding real answers – definitely.
Obama/Biden baby! Pennsylvania is blue all the way!
Posted by: PA | October 29, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
To the people hating on Obama:
“Dear Red States: We’ve decided we’re leaving. We intend to form our own country, andwe’re taking the other Blue States with us. In case you aren’t aware,that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota,Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the former slavestates. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. Youget WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole’ Miss. We get 85 percent ofAmerica’s venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share. Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition’s, we get a bunch of happy families. You get abunch of single moms. Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we’re going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they’re apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don’t care if you don’t show pictures of their children’s caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq , and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we’re not willing to spend our resources in Bush’s Quagmire. With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country’s fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation’s fresh fruit, 95 percent of America’s quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners)90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, mostof the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias andcondors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford, CalTech and MIT. With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia. We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you. Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacredunless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties. Finally, we’re taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weedthey grow in Mexico. Peace out,Blue States” I believe that sums it up.
Posted by: Laura | October 29, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
No Avoiding? LOL. I guess it if you are addicted to that thing in you living room.
But it hardly matters what those of us who have mad up our minds what we think, watch or don’t watch, what matters is those who have yet decided think. Will they watch? Probably
Posted by: Thinking | October 29, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Anyone who is not an Obama supporter should simply not have their TV for this 30 minute info commercial. Take a walk, read a book, play a game. Wash your hair, do your laundry, anything but watch TV. Just my way of saying thanks, but no thanks to the useless Democratic party who have managed to do absolutely nothing for the American people since President Clinton left office.
Posted by: neo | October 29, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Laura…here here!!! I love you. When are we moving?!
Last time I drove through a red state I was practically run off the road by an old redneck who thought going 65 in a 40 was too slow. He was obviously drunk, honking and swearing, and gave my elderly mother the finger as he passed us on the right hand shoulder of the road and proceeded to drive into a field. He “proudly” displayed his confederate flag in the back of his pickup window, along with his gun rack. It was quite a welcome to the South.
Posted by: Amy | October 29, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Laura, that has to be the best post I’ve ever read. Thank you.
Posted by: PennsylvaniaBlue | October 29, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
“looking forward to hearing what Mr. Obama has to say’
Obama said it is a shame the Supreme Court does not manadate his socialist spread the wealth agenda. You can hear for yourself on you tube.
Posted by: geevill | October 29, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Obama has nothing but words… and frankly, we’ve heard enough. He has No Qualifications Whatsoever upon which to run (save for a GretBlackHope and a WhiteRacistGuilt)His greatest achievement appears to be his ability to LIE, cover up, justify, reframe (and throw his friends under the bus). He lies about who he is, whom he chose for pals, his wrok product, his school work, his voting record, his writing, his BELIEFS! Everything he has done in this race – starting ith the false narrative of Dreams (written by Ayers to construct a “struggling black” fairytale) has been to protect and defend a LIE. If that’s what you want to lead your country, then you deserve it. He is a fraud and he will bring a massive group of fraudsupporters with him into office. You don’t know one thign about him (except what people have been able to dig up on their own) and you are placing your trust in his words…
Posted by: gael | October 29, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Obama wants to control your income just like he is trying to control what you watch on TV. what kind of egomanic dictator in the making monopolizes Tv channels like this?
Posted by: geevill | October 29, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Here in Missouri armed sherriffs like Glen Boyer of Jefferson County, and St. Louis County prosecutors like Jennifer Joyce and Bob McCullough, have enlisted as members of the “Obama Truth Squad.” Their goal is to “address” any statements or writings that they deem “untrue” about Barack Obama. They don’t spell out exactly how they will address these so-called “untrue” statements about their Messiah, but the fact that they have guns and/or legal powers is a little scary. Isn’t this the kind of thing that happened in Nazi Germany? I’m a Democrat, but I find Barack Obama frightening. Almost as frightening as the people who blindly follow him.
Posted by: Jeff County Red Neck | October 29, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Laura,
You are a genius baby.
I doubt the “reddies” are intelligent enough to understand waht you are saying.
You forgot to add:
“We get 95% of the most intelligent Americans and you get 98% of the dumbest”.
Boy She Good.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 29, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Can’t wait. I hope he lays out all of plans and explains how he is going to accomplish them in this melt down we are having. I know he will not be able to do it all in the first 4 years but he can in the next.
I hope all of you who have avoided what he has to say all these months will watch. Maybe you will see how his plans are good for you and McCains is not.
Obama/Biden
Posted by: becky | October 29, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
The media should be ASHAMED of themselves. I can’t turn on the television or the internet without seeing or hearing biased messages in favor of Obama. You people are supposed to be unbiased, respectable journalists and reporters that tell the entire story to your readers and listeners, letting THEM choose their own sides for themselves. Instead, you have chosen to place the “popular” view, YOUR view, in front of all of us all the time. The way you represent Obama’s interests is close to communism; and you should all be ashamed.
Posted by: Meagan | October 29, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Again, Red States, you are entitled to your beliefs, but we the Blue States really would like you to have your own country where you can kill those on death row but lecture 16 year old mothers about abortion. And we’ll have our own country where we don’t have to be surrounded by uneducated hillbillies who think Obama is unexperienced but that George W. was perfectly qualified.
Posted by: Laura | October 29, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
I’ll tell you what’s scary. There’s nothing more scary than a trigger-happy old geezer who could croak in office and be replaced by a complete dingbat.
Posted by: samurai | October 29, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Those who would consider “tightening” national polls a valid argument that McCain will deliver an upset are nonsensical and ingenious at best. Similar to when Gore led and eventually WON the popular vote in 2000, Bush still took home the Electoral College votes and, subsequently, the presidency. Looking to the state polls, Obama has sizable leads in nearly all of the “swing states” and a resounding lead in the states that Kerry won in 04; however, let’s air on the side of caution. With a double digit lead in Pennsylvania for the past couple of months, let us assume he has won that. With an average lead of 7+ points in Colorado and New Mexico as well, let’s go ahead and give him those too. Now, despite Obama’s current lead (according to RCP averages of ALL polls conducted…no ‘internal’ crap) in FL, OH, MO, VA, and NV (sizeable, by the way), let’s “cling” to the hope that McCain wins them ALL. (Sure, we would have to assume Republicans were correct in stating that all those increases in new Democratic voters were due to “media bias.” Heck, we would also have to discredit the leads in Democratic Senate and Governor races in those states as well, but bear with me.) McCain pulls off big upsets in these states and practically paints the town (i.e. nation) red. This gives him…oh no!!…only 265 votes! Obama has 273?! But that must mean….RIGHT!!! You lose! Welcome to the reality that WAS the Democratic Party for the last 8 years. Similar to Republican arguments, we TOO mentioned Bush would bring about the destruction of America and guess what kids?! He HAS!! Take responsibility for your votes then and allow us the freedom to do so now; you can attempt to inject fear and distrust in this election, but NOTHING can compare to what we ALREADY EXPERIENCED!! Get over yourselves. Obama will win the electoral college in a landslide: 349 – 189. You heard it here first.
Posted by: Paul | October 29, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Wouldn’t it be a hoot if McCain lost his home state of Arizona? He’s only slightly ahead there.
Posted by: samurai | October 29, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
wow. Communist, socialist, alien? It would be really nice if someone would go and count up the number of things that inspire fear and hatred, accusations and slander… just count it up.
most people find it kind of gross. Maybe you should think about that before you post your anger. Being an angry child doesn’t do anything but make you look like and angry child – and makes your candidate all he less appealing.
Then again…. keep it up. The more freaked out you people get the more it helps Obama
Posted by: dan | October 29, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Palin believes the earth is only 6000 years old.
Palin believes that dinosaurs and humans coexisted on earth, and as proof she claims to have seen pictures of human footprints inside dinosaur tracks.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story
This is someone who potentially could become president.
Posted by: samurai | October 29, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Why does the public need to know about Barack Obama’s radical friends or his dangerous left-wing Marxist ideology or his “I’ve never met a tax I didn’t like” economic plans? It’s so much more important to know about Sarah Palin’s wardrobe.
Posted by: Another Sarah | October 29, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Radical, left-wing, Marxist — more scare words. You forgot Muslim.
Posted by: samurai | October 29, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Laura: Split the country, and watch your precious blue states hollow out as the people who produce in this country move to the red states where communism is yet to take root. Socialism and communism fails every time they are tried, it’s why china had to turn toward capitalism, they were going the way of the soviet union and had to change or implode. Obama IS completely unexperienced. Has NO, ZERO, qualifications for the position of president. You talk about the educated folks in the blue states… the educated folks who are in the senate watching over fannie mae and freddie mac for example? The educated folks who are so smart they are tossed aside for foreign educated applicants. The Educated folks who are so smart they think 20% of the worlds population on 1.17% of the worlds surface area are causing a change in a planetary sized atmospheric system. (which is only a HYPOTHESIS and a disproven hypothesis at that considering their own data and report debunks their claim) These the same educated folks who are so smart that they can claim sea levels are rising when several islands and nations AT sea level still exist and aren’t swamped by the oceans? The same folks that are so smart that they believe the rest of the world thinks like they do and thus can be reasoned with?
HAHAHA yeah, keep dreaming. Your blue state empire would implode just like the soviet union, just like europe almost did. There’s a reason why the EU was formed. Several of the major European countries (many of which have double digit unemployment rates) were about to implode financially from their social programs. If Barack gets elected this nation will deserve the disaster it creates. The only thing known about him really are his associates which are Anti-American Radicals and admitted marxists. Human nature is to surround yourself with like minded individuals, we prefer to work and associate with such. Even Baracks own press corp doesn’t know who he truly is. You want to hire a dance teacher (figure of speech), to build a skyscraper… that’s what electing Barack means.
Posted by: Norm | October 29, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Norm: You mentioned global warming as only a hypothesis. What would you call the idea of a “young Earth” as advanced by the Evangelicals?
Posted by: samurai | October 29, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Norm,
Your argument is flat and purely emotion-driven; I challenge you to tell me EXACTLY what qualifications Bush had before he became president and look me in the eye and tell me honestly that he didn’t create a “disaster” while there. Since the “nation” voted for him twice, am I to assume you believe America (or the majority of those who voted for him…i.e. Republicans) DESERVES (in your words) their economic woes? Like I mentioned in another post, allow the “new majority” to make their decision; I can say with all confidence they will happily live with it. In the mean time, take responsibility for YOUR actions and get out of the way.
Posted by: Paul | October 29, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Why don’t the Republican party just finally admit that they ran this great country of ours down the toilet!
As far as I am concerned why don’t they just finish the job and flush the wanna be plumber dude,their princess diva & her running mate….what’s his name….what’s one more flush by this failed party!!
Posted by: Brian | October 29, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Laura, if only that were true, you would make my day. Send us a postcard from the Socialist Marxist Republic of Hussein obama would ya! I’ll take Alabama any day!
Posted by: doomedbybho | October 29, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Samurai: Young Earth… hadn’t heard that one I’ll have to look it up.
Paul:
Bush was a governor with executive experience, 5 years of experience which is 5 years more than any of the candidates but Sarah Palin. And Bush didn’t “Create” a disaster Terrorists did or perhaps you buy into that whacked out conspiracy theory that Bush hired them to blow americans up on 9/11. Has Bush been a saint, by no means, He’s made plenty of mistakes but his policies are working albeit slowly. You are apparently not a student of our history or only perhaps the last 30 or 40 years of it, and most certainly not a student of world history. Iraq presented a unique challenge and we are winning there, I think it certainly could have been handled better but the results are still there, we are winning. The economic woes we are currently facing are NOT a product of Bush policies as the ball for this particular meltdown started initially 60+ years ago and incrementally culminated in the climax we are experiencing now. Case of bad timeing ultimately just like 9/11. Now I can and do fault the president for allowing the legislature to spend far too much money (but the legislature is largely to blame for that as they do control the budget more than the president). He did a lot of things wrong but Obama hasn’t proposed anything that isn’t more government programs or redistributing wealth, (he proposed tax credits not actual tax cuts… refundable credits which is simply a larger government paycheck at tax time) neither of which actually address what got us here to begin with. McCain to me is simply the lesser of two evils.
If you enjoy government control so much move to countries that already have it, like china or cuba or north korea.
Posted by: Norm | October 29, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Notice how angry the reddies here are and how rational and calm the blues are? Hmmm….
Posted by: Laura | October 29, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Laura: I’m not angry I’m amused at the size of the hook you’ve swallowed.
Posted by: Norm | October 29, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Samurai:
Ok assuming wikipedia is correct on what you are talking about ..”young earth creationism”? There isn’t anything to substantiate the time line that hypothesis claims. I am a christian and I do believe the world and universe was created… the timing on the other hand is not something I, or anyone else for that matter, can determine. The General Theory of evolution on the other hand is also a hypothesis as is Intelligent design. Basically because the root core of the “General theory of evolution” can not be reproduced and elements of it have already been proven scientifically flawed. The results can not be duplicated in experiments necessary to advance the idea past hypothesis, same with the intelligent design idea. I tend to follow the intelligent design idea mainly because I believe there is greater logical evidence for this universe being constructed than oopsed.
Posted by: Norm | October 29, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
As one of those rare undecided voters, I don’t I will watch this “video”.
Of course it is very well and carefully made to make Obama the best he can be.
I don’t need to watch a half hour propaganda show to tell me who to vote for.
I actually am deducting points from Obama for doing this.
It just doesn’t feel right.
Don’t leaders of communist countries do things like this?
Posted by: undecided dave 08 | October 29, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Norm:
“We’re” winning?! Iraq is a “unique challenge?” How about the Iraqi people? How are THEY doing, Norm? What sources will you quote when responding to this question? Instead of one dictator, there are now multiple terrorist cells, religious factions, AND a shady government that inflicts terror on it’s people. Winning, Norm?! Are we talking about American contractors winning? Are we talking about the terrorist/American soldier death ratio “winning?” How is America more safe in your opinion? How much stronger are the tenets of the Constitution after Bush? How many liberties has he toyed with under the guise of “protecting” America? Terrorists were responsible for 9/11, but BUSH was responsible for the Iraq war; he lied to the American people to get us there and ignorantly believed (as is evident you do now) we could “win” an ideological war with weapons (ironic that FAKE weapons got us there in the first place). When attempting to scare me by contrasting other “socialist” countries, don’t simply include communist countries–it’s ingenious and lame. How about Sweden (who McCain seems to applaud), and Japan (where I have lived over 5 years) and Korea and, well, the REST OF THE WORLD that “government control” seems to do fairly well. Don’t question my “student” status when yours is obviously warped and fraught with short-comings.
Posted by: Paul | October 29, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
yes undecided dave, they do. And after it airs we still won’t know anything about him because it is coreographed and not genuine. He is a great performer and orator, but again, someone tell me who he is and what he stands for… and not because he said he stood for it, where he showed he stood for it.
Posted by: Norm | October 29, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
I too would love to hear how Norm thinks we are winning the war. He also appears to be one of those clueless individuals who believes we are justified in fighting Iraq because of 9/11. Norm, do you understand that these are two different countries?
Posted by: Kevin | October 29, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Wow.
All the hate directed towards Obama on this message board is utterly amazing to me.
Nothing is going to get solved, no matter who’s in charge, as long as this is the status quo in American politics…
Posted by: brian | October 29, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
I’m in one of the red states and believe me, I wish I wasn’t here this year. Regardless, I already voted for Obama. So have my step-children (voting for the first time) and my recently naturalized mother.
Posted by: MaryJane | October 29, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Paul: I quote myself who is going to Iraq in a few months and my friend who has been twice and my other friend who has been twice and is now in afghanistan. The news hasn’t told you the facts so it’s not surprising you don’t know… 12 out of 18 provinces are now under Iraqi security forces control with a few more possibly passed over in a few months. The Iraqi people are turning in terrorists and foreign fighters to their own military and police as well as american forces. People who were denied education before are able to go to school. Their economy is picking up also. There are several terrorist cells there and they are trying to hide from a populace that has turned against them. The government isn’t perfect any more than ours is, and there is probably a lot more work to do, but shady and terrorist? Where do you make your claim? The religious factions are not NEW they’ve been there for a very very long time. The net result is our forces are engaged less and less, we are able to fall back to support and training only roles more and more, the Iraqi’s are standing up for their own which is what we want and need them to do so yes, we are winning, no thanks to Murtha, Kerry, and Obama.
America is safer in only that right now we are more vigilant. Bush can only claim 1/3 of the blame for that since the legislator won’t control the border and the courts defy our constitution, treaties, and precedents in the identification and treatment of terrorists.
Now who’s getting emotional… The Bush lied line is nothing but emotional puked up garbage. Most of the world had the same data on Iraq that we did. Bush made a decision based on intel that was wrong, but that same “wrong” intel was corroborated with our allies and NATO. I’m sure you always make the right decision when you are given bad information…
As for winning the war, we are, you don’t want to believe we are, you think this is some sort of ideological crusade against islam. Thankfully it hasn’t come to that, instead it is about giving people a taste of freedom and letting the natural human hunger for it drive them to liberate themselves. Which they are doing with less and less involvement from us as stated above.
Calm down, you’ll blow a gasket, if you applied your comprehensive reading skills you will note in my original post that I addressed more than just china, cuba, and north korea. Socialism leads to communism and it fails every time it’s tried. It brings about economic collapse and again the EU is a perfect example on how screwed up things can get. And if I recall it was American economic policies of an earlier day when markets were much more free of government intervention that led us to the mighty economic and military engine we now enjoy today… why would we abandon that for what sank so many other nations before us. So my student comment stands, you haven’t proven it wrong yet.
Posted by: Norm | October 29, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
This dumb woman is dumber than anyone can simply imagine. She is not even qualified to be governor of Alaska leave alone running as VP for as dumb McShame. She pretends to know her stuff written by other Republican Campaign scrip writers..this dumb woman knows nothing about policies and stuff..kick her ass out..if she even dares to run for 2012…vote against her
Posted by: Lisa | October 29, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Laura:
Your entire argument was littered with petty personal insults. As a representatiave of the Blue states, you come off as arrogant, ignorant, and bitter. For you to claim to be rational is laughable. You can have your Harvard and Hollywood. The South will gladly take our tornados and hurricanes, because we are strong enough to withstand them and rebuilid. We do not fold. We will take our Grand Canyon and our Everglades. We will take our antibellum Georgia and Alabama gulf shores. We will take our Texas hill country and Big Ben National Park. We will take Rice University and the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. You can keep your cheese and the Statue of Liberty and we will keep our cotton, wind and solar energy, gulf ports, beef and oil. We will keep our faith in God, our belief in mankind, and our Bill of Rights. You can have Michigan. Good luck with Detroit and the unemployed autoworkers. You can have Illinois (have fun with Chicago’s murder problem). We will gladly accept your industries after the Unions make it impossible to do business. Also, you better hope the God you mock is merciful.
Posted by: Alderene | October 29, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
“The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.”
–Dale Carnegie
Good day everyone.
Posted by: samurai | October 29, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
After looking a recent blog comments the leadership styles are apparent in attitudes of the constituents. McCain = hate, and Obama = hope.
Posted by: Akamai | October 29, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
It’s so easy to promise everyone to everything with words. What’s the old saying… usually whatever sounds too good to be true really is? And the other saying… actions speak louder than words? How many more have been proven to be true. Obama has no actions, no experience. Period. He gave less % wise on his tax returns over a 5 year period that I myself did. It is clear. The man is a fraud. And he IS trying to buy the election. His fans have their heads in the sand.
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
It’s so easy to promise everyone to everything with words. What’s the old saying… usually whatever sounds too good to be true really is? And the other saying… actions speak louder than words? How many more have been proven to be true. Obama has no actions, no experience. Period. He gave less % wise on his tax returns over a 5 year period that I myself did. It is clear. The man is a fraud. And he IS trying to buy the election. His fans have their heads in the sand.
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
AL QAEDA ENDORSES McCAIN:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/opinion/26kristof.html?em
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: October 25, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
The Endorsement From Hell
John McCain isn’t boasting about a new endorsement, one of the very, very few he has received from overseas. It came a few days ago:
“Al Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election,” read a commentary on a password-protected Islamist Web site that is closely linked to Al Qaeda and often disseminates the group’s propaganda.
The endorsement left the McCain campaign sputtering,……..(the article continues from here)..
Posted by: Sallie | October 29, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
ps i meant that Obama gave less %wise to charity than i did on his last 5 tax returns. He does not believe or practice what he is preaching. But he wants the taxpayers to be forced to give to a group of other people. He went to a church for 20 yrs that believes in slave reparations.
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Norm,
You seem so against socialism but look at Denmark. A parliamentary system with almost 60% taxes. You would think this would be absolutely horrible but they have free health care (which is good unlike Canada’s), free college education, a fantastic public transport system, many political parties ranging from all parts of the political spectrum to satisfy all and now half the country (aka 50%) is fueled by wind power! Their voter turnout is 85% unlike Americas 64%. They have a normal inflation rate of about 2.1% as opposed to that of Americas, their unemployment rate is near 0% and to top it all of they have been proven in studies to be the happiest people in the world! How can you then hate on REAL socialism?
Posted by: Zack | October 29, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
sallie: so you base your information on an opinion written in the paper lol lol
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Zack: So let me get this straight. They pay 60% in taxes but everything is free?? LOL LOL Now I’ve heard everything LOL
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
@ ObamaThuggery: I’ll tell you where Obama gets his money — from people like me. This is the first time I’ve EVER donated to a campaign, and I’ve donated 5 times now. I am not alone either; there are MILLIONS (I’m not exaggerating) of ordinary Americans who have been inspired enough to donate for the first time. That adds up to some big money pretty fast.
I’m even thinking about donating again, even though I know he doesn’t really need the money at this point. Why? Because besides my measley 1 vote in a red state, it’s the only way I can voice my protest against McCain, Palin, and their horrible campaign of slime and fear.
Posted by: Holly | October 29, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
Election 08, I’m glad that there are more voters like Laura turn out this time than voters like norms. I’ve been a registered Republican all my life but never vote for anyone until now.
Posted by: menyoo | October 29, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Msa,
The thing is that you think you care about money and that you dont want your money taken away from you. But what you really want is security. Financial security. If you get everything you want in life i.e good health care, a good job, a great public transport system, free college education, then what do you need thousands of dollars for? The amount a person in Denmark makes is much higher than that of an American. That 40% that they have left is more than enough to get everything else they need. There is a reason that they are the happiest people on earth. If you dont believe any of the facts provided feel free to research them for yourself. Everyone here has been blinded and brainwashed by quotes and phrases that “America is greatest country on earth”. Many are surprised that other nations even have freedom of speech as if this place has a monopoly on it. There are many places much more progressive that the U.S and Denmark is certainly one of them.
Posted by: Zack | October 29, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Zack: you forgot to mention that in 2001 a center-right government led by Anders Fogh Rasmussen won the election by introducing a moratorium on tax rates (skattestop) and thus avoiding an increase in the tax level (the world’s highest[9]), improving efficiency in the public administration and decreasing the number of immigrants and asylumseekers.
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
I moved to a red state a year ago and am proud to be voting for Obama. msa – if you have ever been to Denmark (have you been outside the U.S.?) you would know that they truly among the happiest and most well-cared for people. Like Holly Obama/Biden’s campaign is the first I have donated to and I am so glad my vote is being counted in a red state!
Posted by: Laura | October 29, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
zack: I found quite a few articles such as this about Denmark:
“What is the secret of that small country with dreary weather, heavy smoking and drinking, and taxes between 50-70%, that keeps the Danes so happy?
The key to the Danes’ happiness is that they don’t have high expectations.
A recent episode of 60 Minutes tried to find the answer. Morley Safer spoke to Professor Kaare Christensen at the University of Southern Denmark, who published a study titled, “Why Danes Are Smug.” He discovered that the key to the Danes’ happiness is that they don’t have high expectations. To illustrate, he claims that if the Danes ranking would drop to 20th instead of first, their response would be, “That’s not bad; at least we’re in the Top 25!” By having low expectations, explains Prof. Christensen, one is rarely disappointed.
The government helps this low-expectation lifestyle by taxing people highly while providing an enormous amount of social services. Health-care is free, people are paid to do well in college, and even graduate school is free. After having a child, both parents get paid leave for at least half a year, and Denmark spends more per capita on child and elder care than any country in the world. The government even helps subsidize friendships by providing funding for any group of people who want to cultivate a hobby like model airplane building or quilt croqueting. About 92% of Danes belong to at least one of these social clubs.”
It’s not fair not to tell the whole story, Zack
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Yes I remember that MSA as I lived there at the time. Funny to see you use Danish word (skattestop) =D Btw we have had two Anders Fogh Rassmusens and one time they even ran for the prime minsister seat at the same time! super confusing but hilarious. Bottom line though that after he took over many were unhappy with his way of doing things and promptly changed to the Anders Fogh Rassmussens from the left of center. Elections are held more frequently. If they prime minster and cabinet dont satisfy the people, we boot them out and we dont have to wait four years.
Posted by: Zack | October 29, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
In response to that I lived there and never felt we had low expectations. Our standard of living is top 5 in the world. It will not change. That article is merely one persons bias opinion. We hold our government to a high standard and with a good political system to back us up we get good results.
Posted by: Zack | October 29, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
well holly and laura you are wasting your money. Obama has plenty of money from people in much higher places than you. He wants you to think he’s getting money from the little people. I guess that’s why he decided to back out on his promise about campaign funding – he must have just had a “hunch” right?! lol Oh well, you don’t need someone to tell you now because you wont believe it anyhow. You’ll see. Just keep those eyes wide open if you can!
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
I won’t be able to watch it
I will be buying another gun. 300 ultra mag.
This one will make 47.
Question is… what scope?
I will also check on getting a AR15 with a folding stock and plenty of picantinny rails for mounting my equipment. I also have to get it with a huge flash suppressor and extra high capacity magazines.
Posted by: God Bless America | October 29, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Zack: sinc you lived in Denmark – how did the taxing structure work? were tax %s the same for everyone? or were the wealthy taxed at a higher rate? or are there no ‘wealthy’? I’m not arguing I’m asking a question.
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
They way it worked is that everyone was taxed about the same with a certain % difference. My father worked at the Royal Hospital there (Rigshospitalet) and therefore made a hefty amount was we were in the highest bracket of taxation ~63% but then you have someone that perhaps works at a boutique or owns a small grocery store and their bracket is much lower so depending on their wages they would be taxed somewhere between 54%-57%. You could argue that it is taking more from those who worked harder but all it is merely doing is making sure that EVERYONE pays and that we don’t bankrupt those who dont earn as much. The country knows that if you reached the highest tax bracket you are doing well for yourself. If for some reason you then have a crisis or something happens and you dont earn as much, then you fall into the lower tax bracket and then are taxed less. It works. Plus when someone becomes unemployed the country helps get you a job and a place to live because a healthy economy needs circulation of money so sitting back and saying he is lazy he doesnt have a job dont give him anything, we try to help people back on thier feet. A country doesnt prosper from only a few being wealthy, but by everyone contributing to the economy. Does that answer your question? Anything else I can help make more clear for you mate?
Posted by: Zack | October 29, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Zack: No, that was very helpful. I see the big difference being our broken welfare system. I think that is part of the problem with the “rich” giving more to help the “less fortunate”. Our system is full of lazy people who find it’s easier to live off of the govt than work. Also, the pork and barrel spending, lobbyiests… our govt is not “for the people”… perhaps that is the problem. But in my eyes, Obama is more of the same… just trying to ‘correct’ something he sees is wrong by taking from Peter to pay Paul to keep them ‘happy’. Pharms still rule here, as do lobbyists, lending institutions, etc. They’re just all corrupt. We might as well face it now. Corruption of govts used to seem foreign to us, like we hear about in Mexico. It is our govt. We just bailed out thieves that screwed millions of people. I think you now understand the exasperation of many who cannot understand why people believe Obama is different. He is the same, groomed and molded to keep us ‘complacent’ and full of ‘hope’. Sorry… that is what I believe in my heart of hearts. His past associations and history of charity giving tells it all in my book. Notice I did not brag on Repubs or McCain. They’re all in the same category as far as I’m concerned. Except that Obama has managed to pull the wool over many people’s eyes that he is somehow different. I honestly think alot of it has to do with his color. I think it has actually played to his advantage with many. But whatever. Our country is just screwed until the whole lot of them goes and they start again from scratch.
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
I compare the ‘reverence” for Obama to someone (us) sliding down in a hole of quicksand… two hands reach out to “save” us.. we can’t just say, “neither one of them will really do it” so you pick one… and then you put all your hope in that person, to rescue you. That is the best analogy I can come up with. But perhaps it will take a round of Obama for 4 yrs for people to admit that truly, we are just screwed until we take on the govt as a whole… and start fresh. It is a big mess. Giving a huge benefit of the doubt… If Obama is as great as people think he is, he will be devoured by everyone else that surrounds him anyhow. Anyone who believes otherwise has simply got to be in denial. He voted to bailout multimillionaires who screwed millions of people. Just like McCain and the rest did.
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
I am in no way endorsing either candidate. I cannot support this ludicrous two party system, how can anyone identify with either?! I miss the variety in the political spectrum. It is good see that you can keep an open mind about politics MSA, it is crucial for human development to do so. Hopefully I will be able to retain it myself as I plan to join the Foreign Office and become Diplomat. I do suggest that if you ever have the time and money to visit Denmark. I have suggested it to many of my friends and they have all enjoyed the culture, people, food, atmosphere, nightlife, castles, and hundreds of museums (many of which are free if not extremely cheap due to the government subsides because they want people to be educated). It is an experience like no other which I am sure would you enjoy. This reminded me of a time where I sat around with some friends back in Copenhagen and we were all having wine and dining together and someone said “**** it guys! they can raise my taxes to 90% and I will still love this place, keep my wine flowing and my friends close and I will show you a happy man!” Oh the many inebriated times =D
Posted by: Zack | October 29, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Lets be honest here. If she was a Democrat the media would be backing its removal but because she is a Republican the “NOT SO MAINSTREAM MEDIA” could care less. That is why the “NOT SO MAINSTREAM MEDIA” thinks when a Democrat minority runs for office its HISTORIC but when a Republican minority runs its attack attack attack time. Look at how the “NOT SO MAINSTREAM MEDIA” portrayed Pelosi as the first female speaker of the house, Obama as the first black president candidate, as Hillary as the first female president candidate is HISTORIC. HAVE YOU HEARD ONCE, JUST ONCE, ANY PART OF THE “NOT SO MAINSTREAM MEDIA” DECLARE Sarah Palin RUNNING AS VP AS HISTORIC? NO YOU HAVENT. BECAUSE YOUR ALL BEING PLAYED LIKE FOOLS BY THE “NOT SO MAINSTREAM MEDIA”. THE WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD BE PISSED AT THE WAY PALIN HAS BEEN TREATED. IT’S SEXIST AND PRETTY DMAN PATHETIC!!!!!!
Posted by: xinunus | October 29, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
I am an indepedent voting for Barack Obama. One of the reasons I am is his message of American unity and being able to disagree with a fellow american without demonizing them and making them the “enemy”.
All of the regional and partisan insults are counter productive and small. We can do better. Vote based on your beliefs and concious – when you do, realize that the person in the next booth who may be voting differently from you is no less of an american than you are.
Respectfully,
David Phillips
Citizen of the UNITED States of America
Posted by: David | October 29, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Thanks for the invitation to your country, Zack. I was already wondering where I might go to escape this place. I will look into it. Seriously. Perhaps I will look up a “Zack” when I get there and need a job. lol
It has taken me 45 years to reach my ‘open mind’ about politics. I was brainwashed like many for a long, long time. It’s a hard thing to accept. But it is what it is. I’ve had a good life over all, but things are getting bad here, and should not be acceptable to any of us the way they are – I don’t care who we ‘elect’ to the presidency. The goons up there in the govt are all about themselves and their cronies. An example that just blew me away that I never realized. In 2005, the Dems opposed legislation on regulation that was proposed by the Repubs. Why? I can only assume there was hardball being played. IF and when the banks and lending instituations failed, they could blame the Repubs. Ironically, they failed a month before elections, just to be sure the right party was blamed. That’s just an example. There is plenty on both sides. Again, they are corrupt. Period.
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Sounds great! You don’t even need me to get a job, when I was on my way to Copenhagen traveling from the suburbs on the DSB (beautiful train system) the link below will take u to see one of them. I happened to sit next to a nice middle aged man and we had a chat. I quickly found out he was one of the people on the board of directors of Zurich Insurance. One of the biggest in Europe and he like me and offered me an internship for the summer on the spot! Goes to show that everyone uses the rail system, even CEO types. Due to that we have less cars and less harmful emissons. So hop on a train and get a job! haha If thats not enough we have many good looking women (and men as well) to satisfy any need. Just when you thought all blue-eyed blondes were not intelligent you will come across a Danish one and your mind will be blown away.
Posted by: Zack | October 29, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
this is the link http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/kob/m-train1.jpg it says on the front Norreport which is the heart of Copenhagen. That where it takes you. No conductor. Runs on electricity. average time to wait for one is about 3 minutes regardless of where you are. Looks like something out of a sci fi but its a reality in a progressive place.
Posted by: Zack | October 29, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Zack: didnt see the link… please post again. also any other helpful links. If all the people who have figured things out leave the US, they can have who is left because they won’t know or dont want to believe any different anyhow! They are those that think a president can change the country for the better when they’re loaded down with a bunch of lifelong, career politicians.
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
Zack: got it. very cool. thanks so much. it’s been a pleasure conversing with you through typing lol. have a lot of food for thought now… Now I just have to worry about my 401k depletion but not a country to possibly consider living in at some point soon lol
Posted by: msa123 | October 29, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Here are a few links for both working/living/visiting Denmark. I look forward to finishing my studies here in America so that I can return. Although I am very happy I got to experience America first hand, many of the people here are extremely nice and one of a kind.
http://www.denmark.dk/en
http://www.nyidanmark.dk/en-us/News/News/Integrationsministeriet/2008/Juli/want_to_work_in_denmark.htm
http://www.visitdenmark.com/siteforside.htm?wbc_purpose=Basic
http://www.planetware.com/denmark-tourism-vacations-dk.htm
hopefully these help
Posted by: Zack | October 29, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Our tax system is broken and needs to be replaced. (I like the idea of the “Fair Tax”, but it will never happen since the politicians won’t give up the power they can get from the current tax system) As is our legislature which has gotten a free ride these past 30 years by passing the blame onto the executive branch for a bunch of lame brained decisions they’ve made. I don’t like McCain, but I can’t in good conscience vote for a man who wants to expand and empower what is already a colossal mess which is the only thing Obama has proposed to do. Why ANYONE thinks the government can responsibly handle most of the issues we face today is beyond me.
Also Zack, what’s working in Denmark won’t work here, mainly because we are so much larger, lack infrastructure, and most importantly lack a people willing to just fork over their hard earned money to let the government spend it. Apples to apples our poor are better off than the middle class in most of europe with access to more amenities, cars, living space, entertainment, the works. Our government does need change, Term limits on the legislature and supreme court, (it should be a crime to make a life long career out of stealing money from american tax payers) and we definitely need a third party. Right now we have a choice of socialist communist party (democrat) and the socialist party (republican). Not impressed with either.
Posted by: Norm | October 29, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
My TV has an “OFF” button. I will use it. lol
I think he’s jsut trying to reach those last remaining few with his subliminal messages before it’s too late. ;)
Posted by: fed up in Wisconsin | October 29, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Win or lose, I’ll be spared of Obama’s screaming into a microphone like he’s at a revival. At least for four years.
Posted by: Grand Old Party | October 29, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Is it true that obama is selling 3 thirty second spots ($1 million each) during this half hour special and the RNC purchased two of them?
Posted by: mike | October 29, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Norm: You say that “Right now we have a choice of socialist communist party (democrat) and the socialist party (republican).” This is your opinion, which of course you’re entitled to, but there are many other opinions out there, just as valid as yours. Many knowledgeable people out there look at the last several decades–the humiliation faced by Jimmy Carter followed by the popularity of Reagan, the center-right policies of Bush Sr. and the center-left policies of Clinton, followed by the off-the-map neoconservative policies of Bush Jr, and come to the opposite conclusion from you: that actually today the Republican leaders have pulled the party and American political debate so far to the right (and off the spectrum, with their powerful government neo-con activities) that actually, the Democrats represent the Centrist party in our country today.
Many people decry our 2-party system for excluding independent voices, but as a student of history and politics, I have come to respect the fact that our 2-party political system tends to keep us fairly close to the center. This means that the United States has gone through many swings and shifts, but that we have never, nor are we at the moment, approaching anything as extreme as communism or even socialism.
I’m sure you know a lot, but the fact that you continue to throw those words around makes me wonder if you actually are aware of what they mean or of what a socialist or communist state would actually look like. A real communist state would mean there is no state, because there are no classes and the workers own everything. Not even the USSR could be considered communist, because it was not run by “the workers” but by a centralized fascist bureaucracy. We have not yet seen a true communist state on this earth, and I think most of us realize by now that pure communism is a fantasy, while fascism is a reality. And socialism is not merely pursuing policies that benefit the poor or advocate higher taxes; it is control and ownership of the means of production (all business) by the state. Again, American government has ownership over some industries (the fire department, the postal service) but has never been, nor is it now, anywhere close to owning and dictating the means of production.
Those who support Barack Obama are not communists. Nor are they socialists. Those few individuals who consider themselves socialist or communist in our society support Ralph Nader or lesser known candidates. Or, they are like Al Qaeda in supporting John McCain, in the cynical hopes that the worse it gets here, the better it will get for their cause. These people are not supporting Obama.
The reasons so many people are supporting Obama are many, but I think the main one, and the reason we all need to take a deep breath and calm down, is this: every time our country has swung far in one direction, it eventually swings back. That is the beauty of our system. There are many competing concerns in a democratic, large society such as ours, and right now a majority of the population is itching for a return from the right-leaning policies of the last decade (or several decades, depending on how you look at it) for more attention paid to things like health care, and investing in our young people’s education. That’s all. It’s not a call for a major restructuring of our political and economic system. It’s not a workers’ revolt. It’s like the changing seasons – we’re moving from summer to fall. But don’t worry – like the seasons, it won’t last forever, and in a few years or so you’ll be the one sitting smugly with a leader you prefer in charge.
Posted by: AL | October 29, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
I am avoiding the psycho-babble by the only Marxist Socialist presidential candidate in the history of our country. An Obama-Reid-Pelosi government would destroy our system of democracy and replace it with a Euro-Socialist style of government. To make it even worse, their longer term agenda is to relegate conservatives to little more than an “opposition” party with severely limited freedom of speech or power to oppose their socialist agenda of dependency. If the American voters are foolish enough to elect Obama, they deserve the resulting economic slowdown and limits on freedom that will certainly result.
Posted by: Patriot | October 29, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
There are hundreds of choices on TV tonight other than Obama’s State of the Union address. Just like he over stepped his authority by interfering with foreign affairs in Iraq he’ll be over reaching with his address to the nation tonight. I’ll just be curled up with a good book, Obamanation.
I wonder what the ratings will be.
I hope he does about as well as MSNBC.
Posted by: OB Ron | October 29, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
Hey PA, Now y’all go ahead and take all that you think you want although you know we get all the folks who can make it down to Fla. and Hilton Head during the winter so mark that one out. Congrats and good luck with your hollyweirdos and we will take our good ol’ country music and our kind of family fun and be on our way. Your percentages are ‘way off but we won’t belabor that since you probably got them from your questionable professors. We can send you the few to match what you already have and you can go for it. As for me and most of the rest of us REDS and Southerners, don’t forget that we have the survival instincts and knowledge that you so pathetically lack. Go ahead and redistribute and we will feed our fat, skinny and all other shapes and love them the way they are. Be happy with your materialistic crap and stay away from us. Be cool now.
Posted by: zola kahn | October 29, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
There are hundreds of choices on TV tonight other than Obama’s State of the Union address.
Posted by: OB Ron
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There hundreds of “food banks” around that His Audacity Rmperor Obama could have donated the millions of dollars that he spent to promote his “Big Ego”
I am glad that I did not watch it. A friend of mine did – he told me that it was “Grandiose Obama” as usual.
I still don’t understand how is it that the pathetic left wing liberal media made such a fuss about Palin’s $150,000 that the RNC spent on her wardrobe, hair, and make up, while they are not having a cow over the millions that the DNC is spending for Obama to satisfy his “grandiocity”. Yeah, the media liked that – the idiots made a fortune out of Obama’s “spending spree”
America Wake Up – this is Obama-I-Feel-Your-Pain-Middle-Class.
Obama: The Audacity.
Posted by: Natasha | October 29, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
ABC: For a Night, No Avoiding Obama Message
No Avoiding?!
Are you joking??
Posted by: Natasha | October 30, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
Obama/Biden baby! Pennsylvania is blue all the way!
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Blue all the way?? What planet are you on? Is this why your Governor panicked a few days and called Obama to please come back and help?
The internal polls of both camps do not neccessarily reveal “PA bleu all the way” that is for sure. It will be a long night, on Nov. 4th!…. :>
Posted by: Natasha | October 30, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am
Well Mike and Norm and all the rest of you who think we have never had socialism in this country, I hate to burst your bubble because you are dead wrong. If you remember Obama’s short reference to the Manhattan Project during his town meeting in Nashville with McCain….well, he was talking about a socialistic community that operated during the 1940′s and 50′s. I know because I grew up in the mess; we had five ways in and out of the city with armed guards at each exit. Everyone had to shown ID to get in and out and visitors had to be vouched for by someone who already had a clearance and was living inside the perimeter. All the children wore dog tags and we were taught very well as to whom we should hate, also knew we were not to say anything about a leader in any capacity. There were about 5 types of housing and your family would get whatever was available as your name moved up on the list. 7 people would be living in a 2 bedroom house measuring approx. 900 sq. ft. Yeah, it worked if you think so. Nobody owned property, homes and the kids were the most violent I have ever seen. All the parents fought each other and the kids fought to kill. Great and it happened.
Posted by: zola kahn | October 30, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am
Wow, Zola, either you are incredibly uninformed or just straight-up lying and getting people all worked up about socialism again!
The Manhattan Project they were talking about is a reference to the 1940s project to build the first atomic bomb. They bring that up now as an example of a time when the government, business, and academics all got together to build something that they thought would help get us out of World War II. So when Obama or whoever talks about starting a “Manhattan Project” today, they are talking about using the powers of government to get a lot of smart and savvy people together to try to solve a problem, be it energy, or health care, or whatever. The idea is: lots of manpower+lots of money+lots of energy and focus=good ideas and solutions.
Not sure what the heck you were talking about, but it wasn’t the Manhattan Project.
Posted by: AL | October 30, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
I don’t avoid listening to what any of the political candidates have to say. As a matter of fact, I pay close attention. Isn’t that what it’s all about? I also research their backgrounds… in todays world it’s easier than ever. I don’t let race or gender decide for me. America will reap what it sows and so it goes, you have to work hard to have anything good.
I’m a centrist and a supporter of McCain/Palin.
Posted by: Kate | October 30, 2008, 8:18 am 8:18 am
Natasha,
“This race is close?” Where in the perpetually blue sea of positive polling numbers for Obama can one interpret that McCain is anywhere NEAR getting close? (Oh, and drop the internal stuff; objectivity is kind of an important thing.) On almost every major poll, he has not seen Pennsylvania’s double digit lead reduce in the last 2+ months. Not only did this state vote BOTH times for a Democrat in 2000 and 2004, there was nearly a 2-1 margin of new registered Democratic voters for this election year. Consider this state Obama’s backyard—he already has a dog there, with a grill set up, and a hammock between two trees. Done.
All signs point to McCain not taking a SINGLE Democratic stronghold. This would mean he needs to defend each state Bush won in 2004: FL, OH, NV, IA, NM, CO, NC and VA. Let’s see where McCain is ahead in these states…oh…this is curious. He isn’t ahead in a SINGLE one! He hasn’t been ahead in a long time! Surely there must be a mistake…North Carolina HAS to go red, right? Well, according to early voting data, about 1.6 million people have already voted — 54 percent are registered Democrats and 29 percent are Republicans. About 100,000 newly registered voters have signed up and voted at North Carolina’s one-stop voting centers and among them, Democrats outnumbered Republicans by about 2-1. Uh oh.
Well at least the Republicans have the tried and true states that never turn on…what? Are you sure? This just in; Indiana, Montana and Georgia are now considered “toss ups!” I couldn’t believe my ears when I heard Georgia, but it appears black voters make up about 35 percent of those who have already voted (it was a mere 25% last year). With a 9-1 ratio voting for Obama in the primaries, things are going to be close…IN THAT STATE.
Things might not look too good for McCain right now, but when it’s all said and done he can still head back home to Arizona and…what…NO! You’re kidding! This just in; McCain is holding a mere 5.5% lead in his HOME STATE.
What a perspicacious candidate! McCain was absolutely right when he said he loved fooling the pundits — NO ONE could have seen this one coming a mile away. Arizona, you’re not helping yourself out at all…you are NEVER going to get ear marks this way!
Regardless, Natasha, you were also right — you are going to be in for a long night.
Posted by: Paul | October 30, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
Picture this scenario – McCain wins the presidency!!!
6 months later . . . . . McCain suffers heart attack Palin sworn in as Commander in Chief.
Can you imagine this “gun-wielding,” “trailer trash” “redneck” running our government?
No really, think about it.
You thought it was bad under Bush………………
Posted by: Romanus | October 30, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm