By Hope Ditto

Oct 8, 2008 9:05am

The Note: McCain Swings, Misses in Bid to Shift Race

ABC News’ Rick Klein reports in Wednesday’s Note:

NASHVILLE — John McCain wanted to have 10 of these?

The town-hall meeting may have been Sen. John McCain’s salvation in the primaries, but McCain and Sen. Barack Obama roamed the stage for 90 minutes to end up basically where they started. (Here’s guessing Gov. Sarah Palin doesn’t spy any gloves on the mat.)

It was a status quo debate, in a solidifying contest, and McCain didn’t win in a clash he needed to be all his. For a campaign looking for pivot points, for big ways to change the direction of a race that has veered out of its control, there’s not much in place Wednesday that wasn’t there Tuesday. (And the ongoing market meltdown probably would have swamped it anyway.)

Your consensus: McCain lost, by not winning. Even the Jell-O didn’t stick. He now has precisely one opportunity left to command the simultaneous attention of the assembled press corps and the nation at large — and it might come too late to move the big rocks assembled in his path.

“If McCain’s principal mission was to change the course of the campaign, it was difficult to find evidence that he succeeded,” Doyle MacManus writes in the Los Angeles Times. “In a debate that served largely as an empathy competition, the two candidates battled to something like a draw.”

Read the rest of The Note — and get all the latest on the 2008 election, Congress, the White House and the wide world of politics every day — from Rick Klein by bookmarking this link.

Politico’s Roger Simon: “If you had to say somebody lost Tuesday night, it was McCain. Because he had to win and he did not. He is the one who has to change the current trajectory of the campaign, and he did not do that.”

ABC’s George Stephanopoulos scores it for Obama, with an A on substance, compared with McCain’s B+: “It was Obama who once again edged out McCain in the debate, sticking to his strategy of portraying himself ready to serve as president. . . . We saw Obama continue with the strategy that he started with in the first debate: showing that he belongs up there on that stage as a potential Commander-in-Chief. That is where Obama made his greatest advances tonight, and he will likely be seen as the winner of this debate.” 

CNN polling called it 54-30 for Obama; CBS’ uncommitted voters had it 40-26 in the same direction. 

The clip that’s destined for a thousand replays: McCain calling Obama “That One.” (Did he mean, “The One”?)

“Senator Obama has a name,” Obama strategist David Axelrod said in the post-debate spin room, per ABC’s Teddy Davis and Arnab Datta. “You’d expect your opponent to use that name.” 

Continue reading today’s Note by clicking HERE.

ABC News’ Hope Ditto contributed to this report.

User Comments

Obama acted Presidential. McCain resorted to calling him a name (“that one”). Who would you rather have as leader of the free world?

Posted by: Mortimer Snerd | October 8, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am

This should have been Barack’s chance to steal 2nd base and get to third. He is caught now between throw backs from the third base player and second base player, not to mention the shortback is giving mixed signals and there was a 3rd rank pitcher in play. Barack is on the run both back and forth. McCain is in place at third base to put him out with Palin as catcher to seal the deal. This debate was “the link.” Barack went no where except where his paid followers and pundits put him. This is the last inning of a long ball game that we know WE CAN WIN, but waiting for that pivotal play. It will play out! Don’t rush the action of the guy on third base and his catcher….and remember…there are booos and claps/cheers going on on both sides that add to the mix. Barack should be on third base. Barack is NOT on third base. Barack is on the run. John did what he had to do…….AND he is on third base waiting

Posted by: HP Boston | October 8, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

I thought Mccain was very rude and disrespectful not only to obama but to the voter in regards to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, when Mccain said ‘There are probably many of you who never heard of them before this crisis” IS MCCAIN AN IDIOT WHO ON GODS EARTH DONT KNOW WHO FREDDIE AND FANNIE ARE? Mccain why do you think americans are stupid? he is one angry bitter disrespectful man.

Posted by: angie | October 8, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am

BROKAW: Iran attacks Israel, would you be willing to commit U.S. troops in support and defense of Israel?
Obama did not answer the question…it was an easy question if Israel is attacked would he be willing to commit US troops. I’ve always thought that talks come before, Brokaw said Iran attacks Israel…you know like bombs and killing people.
OBAMA: “We’ve got to try to have talks, understanding that we’re not taking military options off the table”.
QUESTION: With the economy on the downturn and retired and older citizens and workers losing their incomes, what’s the fastest, most positive solution to bail these people out of the economic ruin?
Obama did not answer the question….and apparently he didn’t read the bailout bill because there is nothing in that bill that helps homeowners out. The bill helps the banks and Wall Street. Retired people and older citizens are not going to be working on road nor bridge projects either, Mr. Obama.
OBAMA: “Now, step one was a rescue package that was passed last week. It means help for homeowners so that they can stay in their homes. It means that we are helping state and local governments set up road projects and bridge projects that keep people in their jobs”.
“And then long-term we’ve got to fix our health care system, we’ve got to fix our energy system that is putting such an enormous burden on families. You need somebody working for you and you’ve got to have somebody in Washington who is thinking about the middle class and not just those who can afford to hire lobbyists”.
Go back and read the transcripts…Obama doesn’t answer any questions, he keeps repeating the same message over and over as if to mesmerize or hypnotize his audience. I guess if you keep hearing the same message you become a believer and never ask questions or read.

Posted by: Mike | October 8, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am

The suicide squeeze is on!

Posted by: Mortimer Snerd | October 8, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am

McCain came across as passionate and knowledgeable however, Obama was more so and McCain was edgy and angry the whole time which was difficult to stick with. If he is this angry and edgy now, I worry that he would be another war monger leader. Obama for ’08!!!

Posted by: Sarah C. | October 8, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am

The GOP painted Obama as “unpatriotic” for not wearing a flag pin early in this election. McCain has not worn one in either debate. Karl Rove better start pitching a fit!

Posted by: Paige | October 8, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am

I thought OBUMA was very rude and disrespectful not only to McCain but to the voter in regards to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, when OBUMA said ‘There are probably many of you who never heard of them before this crisis” IS OBUMA AN IDIOT WHO ON GODS EARTH DOES NOT KNOW WHO FREDDIE AND FANNIE ARE? OBUMA why do you think Americans are stupid? he is one angry bitter disrespectful man.
THATONE should know! He got tons of money from FREDDIE and FANNIE, the second most of anyone!!!!

Posted by: HP Boston | October 8, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am

HP Boston – McCain may-be on third base, but it is in the Little League only.

Posted by: Paige | October 8, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am

Was McCain even in the room???

Posted by: Howard Gallas | October 8, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am

Good point(s) HP Boston and Mike. I thought I must be experienceing premature Alzheimers symptoms. It seems so clear to me that Mc Cain delivers the message with clarity “straight talk” and very well qualified to be commander in chief…but somehow all the media and blogosphere and posts favors Obama. I don’t see it no matter how much I strain my brains..and I aint stupid.

Posted by: Mary Jo Necesito | October 8, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am

McCain came across as passionate and knowledgeable however, Obama was more edgy and angry the whole time which was difficult to stick with. If he is this angry and edgy now, I worry that he would be another war monger leader. So confused and never answered a question had to ask Michelle what he did not know?? Is he a fool or what? He had these shiny things in his ears and it was so distracting!
McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: HP Boston | October 8, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

Again, the cynics are peeing on themselves after s******* their pants during the first debate.
The poor little parrots haven’t learned new words and Fox hasn’t given them any new ones to regurgitate.
What you will be fed is more crow. That’s about all you’ll be eating.
Grey Poupon?
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!!

Posted by: Nat Turner | October 8, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am

Mike: You are so right. Obama doesn’ know about war or foreign policy. He is in training with his advisor’s. He has a long way to go. I believe McCain answered every question correctly but of courst CNN is pro-obama and most of the callers are blacks so that’s why they say he won the second debate. He didn’t even win the first debate. All the networks are pro-obama. Especially the NYT and Washington Post. People don’t care about Obama’s past, he could be a criminal and they would vote for him knowing he can’t run the country. This generation needs to wake up and get a grip before voting for Obama.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 8, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am

McCain is a very very sick man.
McCain had to escape the stage immediately after the debate for health reasons.
Obama stayed on for almost 20 minutes to chat with the audience of 80+, sign autographs and take pictures.
Like I already said before McCain is a very sick man who will die in office if elected.
McCain apparently had a dizzy spell three days ago and almost collapsed, but was caught by one of his FBI Security details.
Investigations are underway, trying to force McCain to release his latest medical records.
McCain has either developed prostate cancer or his skin cancer is back.
If any of this is true McCain has less than 3 years to live. And don’t talk to me about his mother because she does not have cancer.
At what ages did McCain’s father and grandfather die again?
Just think about it for a moment my friends.
McCain will die in office if elected and Sarah “Humpty Dumpty” Palin will be President.
God Save America.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 8, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

McCain came out with a punch that landed. Apparently you missed it. He wants to ensure that people are kept in their homes. Otherwise, you will have millions of foreclosures, thereby devaluing homes by at least %50. With Obama’s plan, we can all look forward to empty, rotting homes coming to a neighborhood near you. (Like the ones in his Chicago district.) However, Obama might know a few slumlords who can help with this….that aren’t currently incarcerated.
Because of the bailout package, Obama can no longer keep ANY of his campaign promises. Unless of course he taxes you into the poor house.

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | October 8, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

I guess if I was a TWC (typical white cynic), I’d be depressed too when coming to the reality that a white woman from middle America and an African from Kenya produced offspring that would contribute to the demise of white American cynicism in this country.
Karma is cold-blooded isn’t it?
YOU BETHCHA! (Eye Blink)
Guess how many occurances of this is or has happened in this country?
POTUS OBAMA – Cynicism is on it’s deathbed

Posted by: Nat Turner | October 8, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am

Ditto Marianne Pepitone and SadStateof Affairs…

Posted by: Mary Jo Necesito | October 8, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

SadStateOfAffairs ,
That McCain proposal is already in the $700B package that Congress just voted.
It makes you wonder whether McCain read the bill he calims to have “suspended his campaign” to help enact.
You pathetic Repugs are grappling for straws.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 8, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

They are looking into Mccains Medical records,Aparentley when he went home fo last weekend to so call debate prep he was sick,he nearly passed out something is going on with Mccains health and just to think Palin will take over if godforbid something happen to mccain. I dont support Mccain but I dont wish him any harm and hope hes ok, I dont want him for potus but I will take him any day over Sara Palin.

Posted by: angie | October 8, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

McCain sounded like Palin a couple of times, starting off answering one question and then wondering off into something else.But he’s a maverick, right.
Ex Republican

Posted by: RGeier | October 8, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Rove said an interesting thing on Fox last night: basically, if you are against the Iraq war then you are in Obama’s camp. That’s writing off a lot of voters, no?

Posted by: MIguy | October 8, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am

Can’t HP Boston read or hear? It was McCain who made the remark about not knowing Fannie and Freddie. He said it to the questioner who was African American in a condescending, “You blacks wouldn’t understand” way. So if according to your logic whoever said this was ‘rude and disrespectful’, your words not mine, then it was McCain who was rude and disrespectful.

Posted by: plainview | October 8, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am

Howard Gallas: Yes, McCain was in the room but its hard to see Obama because he is so dark. They need better lighting.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 8, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Town Hall’s are very boring.. no wonder McCain likes them… and good for Obama for not wanting them.
Brokaw was awful… worse than McCain.
But if McCain wanted a game changer, he didn’t get one… and he couldn’t deliver it anyway… he looked very old and tired and made way too many faces.
He just does not look or talk like a president…. and his VP choice is a bigger joke… you can’t take Palin serious, because she doesn’t take it serious, with all her flirting and winking and backwoods sayings. She is just not professional… more like a walmart cashier.
The two make a perfect pair… but just not what this country needs.
Obama won hands down and as always, kept his cool, remained calm, and connected with the people.
Obama, a true leader.

Posted by: l | October 8, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

Marianne YOU ARE SO RACISIT BETTER GO WASH YOUR SHEET

Posted by: angie | October 8, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Obama was the clear winner in last nights debate. On another note, I want to thank the media for posting fact checks. The fact checks hold the candidates accountable and reveal the truth to the American people. You would think Palin would stop lying.

Posted by: Cyndi | October 8, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

McCain refused to prioritize actions to address the most urgent issues facing our nation. I’m not the least surprised at this failure to lead.
To simply say we can do everything at once, and have it all, just because we are Americans, is an insult to the American public. As a promise, it’s reckless, as a policy, hopeless, as a conviction, mindless.
Pandering at such a primitive level is what you get from those whose retarded ideology precipitated this unmitigated disaster.

Posted by: rogerthomas | October 8, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

Mariann Pepitone – So, now the truth comes out – you’re a rascist! Thank you for your candor.

Posted by: geecee | October 8, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

The format of the debate was not conducive to touching Obama’s SERIOUS PROBLEM
Voters have ther RIGHT TO KNOW Obama’s DEEP CONNECTION with Ayers and many other RADICALS. This is A SERIOUS ISSUE.
Obama and New York Times say Obama’s relationship with Ayers is casual. But how can we EXPLAIN that OBAMA LAUNCHED HIS POLITICAL CAREER at AYERS’ HOUSE?
Ayers still believes the BOMBING was not ENOUGH and praised Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela.

Posted by: Geon Lee | October 8, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

The format of the debate was not conducive to touching Obama’s SERIOUS PROBLEM
Voters have ther RIGHT TO KNOW Obama’s DEEP CONNECTION with Ayers and many other RADICALS. This is A SERIOUS ISSUE.
Obama and New York Times say Obama’s relationship with Ayers is casual. But how can we EXPLAIN that OBAMA LAUNCHED HIS POLITICAL CAREER at AYERS’ HOUSE?
Ayers still believes the BOMBING was not ENOUGH and praised Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela.

Posted by: Geon Lee | October 8, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Hey HP Boston – it was McCain who made those condescending remarks about people not knowing what Freddie and Fannie are, not Obama. And it’s Obama, not Obuma. Who’s the idiot here?

Posted by: Bilbo | October 8, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am

I think the most important thing to come out of that debate last night…
is a very bad wolf “foxnews” showed that they might be the worst wolf in sheep’s clothing that got us here over the last decade.
If their was any sign how out of touch and destructively manipulating the American people Fox News is
it is there poll from viewers on who won the debate.
Every other news agency and pollster has Obama winning…and they have it
90 to 10 Mccain.
“Fair and Balanced”
should probably not do those viewer polls anymore
as they show how a whacked minority can act like a national pool.
you want to know how we got HERE
the creation of Fox News a little over a decade ago…
isn’t it funny that as soon as we have this new “news agency”
all this malarkey got spread…
and it happens to be a news agency started by a right wing partisan hack.
Only with Fox news being created could America be “frauded” into electing Bush Cheney.
Luckily this time America might learn.
Go look at how out of touch their poll of their viewers is with every other poll.

Posted by: dl | October 8, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

I think the most important thing to come out of that debate last night…
is a very bad wolf “foxnews” showed that they might be the worst wolf in sheep’s clothing that got us here over the last decade.
If there was any sign how out of touch and destructively manipulating the American people Fox News is
it is their poll from viewers on who won the debate.
Every other news agency and pollster has Obama winning…and they have it
90 to 10 Mccain.
“Fair and Balanced”
should probably not do those viewer polls anymore
as they show how a whacked minority can act like a national pool.
you want to know how we got HERE
the creation of Fox News a little over a decade ago…
isn’t it funny that as soon as we have this new “news agency”
all this malarkey got spread…
and it happens to be a news agency started by a right wing partisan hack.
Only with Fox news being created could America be “frauded” into electing Bush Cheney.
Luckily this time America might learn.
Go look at how out of touch their poll of their viewers is with every other poll.

Posted by: dl | October 8, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am

Yeah McCain wanted 10 town halls…
What he did was: he said he wanted 10 town halls for the sake of appearances. He & his campaign proceeded to place conditions (they control the audience, they control the format, they control the questions…) that no idiot would agree to so that Obama had no choice except to reject. They knew he would & then they’d have their excuse to do what ever they wanted & every time they’re called on it they just say “well he wouldn’t do what we wanted”. Now that we’ve actually seen McCain & Obama walking the same stage it’s painfully obvious that Obama wipes the floor with him. McCain looked like a lost, scared, confused, pathetic old man in comparison. I actually felt sorry for him on a few occasions last night…

Posted by: Palinator | October 8, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am

Paige: Flag pins are a choice. Obama never wore one for a long time until he was critized as an anti-american. But of course we all know he was anti-american along with William Ayers. And as far as the debate goes neither one of them said anything new. Three of the news media said it was a tie. Now, both of them said they would change social security. I thought the debate came off very good and both kept their cool. Of course your going to have disagreements. One is democrat and the other republican. Get a grip.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 8, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

MARIANNE DID YOU WASH YOUR SHEET YET?it is people like you why this country is so bitterly divided if you have children i fell sorry for them!

Posted by: angie | October 8, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am

Palinator: I don’t think you understand politics and anything that was said last night. Besides that age has nothing to do with politics. I don’t think your parents are under 40 years of age. And your lucky if they live as long as McCain. Didn’t Tim Rustert drop dead on the Meet The Press floor of a heart attack. Wake up. McCain did a very good job at explaining everything. Obama tries to set a good example but he doesn’t know foreign policy like McCain. Obama is still in training. Biden will run the country and Obama will take the credit.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 8, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am

Did anyone notice how Michele walked along the side of Barack and Cindy walked behind McCain. That shows me Barack accepts women as equals and McCain doesn’t…. That’t the leader I want.
President Obama!!!

Posted by: truth | October 8, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

Barack showed me he has life experience and McCain has government experience. Becasue Barack has been there, done that he can help the country move forward.

Posted by: truth | October 8, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Plainview,
Thanks for pointing out that it was McCane (no, I’ll be nice) MCCain who made that remark and it WAS very disrespectful. He looked so old last night and when he walked he appeared to have no strength. Sarah looks scarier and scarier.

Posted by: J | October 8, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

Angie: Its dumb people like you that are the ruination of this country. You don’t know the difference between right and wrong. Did you graduate school or are you still going. I am not like you, true American’s don’t vote for a candidate like Obama unless you don’t care about your country. Knowing he was involved with a terrorist and anti-americans you would vote for him because your like the rest of this generation, know nothing, do nothing and say nothing. That’s what Obama does. Get a grip and wake up. We don’t need a terrorist coming to the white house for dinner.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 8, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

truth: Yes, Obama will help the country move forward into a deep depression worse than 1929. Obama doesn’t have the intelligence to run this country, and he is never in his senate seat. But he certainly was involved with a terrorist named William Ayers and got involved with him. He is also involved with Acorn who office in Las Vegas was busted open for vote fraud. Maybe that’s how Obama won the senate seat by false signatures. He is involved with so many crooks who knows.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 8, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

Marianne You need to get a grip you want to talk about terriost take a look at mccains vp pick and her first dude BELONGING TO THE ANTI-AMERICAN CLUB IN ALASKA those alaskins HATE AMERICA they dont want any part of it and little miss pitbull and her hubby belong to that terriost group so you my racisit friend needs to SNAP INTO REALITY!

Posted by: angie | October 8, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

MARIANNE Its not obama thats gonna destroy this country its the people like you,the freak Rush limbaugh, fox fake news,Karl Rove, look because of you freaks we ended up with BUSH and look at this country going to hell NOT THIS TIME HANNITY LIMBAUGH OREILY FREAKS not this time not this year!

Posted by: angie | October 8, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

ABC not reporting the indictment of a pro-Obama blogging son of a Democrat delegate in TN?

Posted by: geevill | October 8, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

The McCain campaign must now be regretting the long Democratic primary, which allowed charges like Ayers and Rezko to be thoroughly (and ad nauseam) aired – and debunked. Now they’re just – yawn- stale, old news that only invigorates the base that would never have voted for Obama anyway.

Posted by: pawal1 | October 8, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Marianne Pepitone…all I can day is you’re the best..

Posted by: MJ | October 8, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Geon Lee: I don’t know if you watched Fox News the other night but they were showing a video of Obama signing a card for a black women on the southside of Chicago when he was running for the senate seat which he lost to Bobby Rush a radical of the 60′s also. Obama met William Ayers in 1995 when he wanted to run for the senate seat again. Ayers and Obama became close friends and were co-chairmen of different organizations together. Obama wanted to run for the senate seat again. And Ayers gave him large donations plus campaigned for him. However, there was a woman named Alice J. Palmer that was getting signatures to run for the same seat. Obama took her to court and claimed she had false signatures on her list and won the case. Then a man named Keyes ran against Obama but lost. Obama won the senate seat. He ruined that woman and she never ran again. The announcer stated that he was not a community organizer, he was organizing himself to become president one day and getting people to know him. He did nothing for the community at all. He was a fake. Later he got himself involved with Rezko the underhanded crook like Obama and he gave Obama 3/4 of the money to buy his house and next door lot. Obama covered up a lot of shady deals for Rezko but hasn’t been called to testify against him. It shouldn’t make a difference that he is running for president. I believe him to be invoved in those deals although it hasn’t come out yet.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 8, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

You McShame people are Cr@pping your pants. You can see it’s over and you are starting to make things up about President Obama. There is no way that Americaa is going to vote that crabby old man in as president. He can barely walk around the stage let alone lead this nation.
Just look at the polls, there is a land slide coming for the new president of the USA, and his name is Obama!
Hail to the chief.

Posted by: Independent realist | October 8, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

HP Boston – please do us all a favor and refrain from giving us all another headache with your nonsensical baseball “related” analogies. “Shortback”?

Posted by: Basebal Enthusiast | October 8, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

The AP reported on July 20, 2007 that withdrawal would unleash a massive Iraqi bloodbath. “Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq ISN’T a good enough reason to keep US forces there.”
What kind of candidate is it whose moral response to genocide – genocide – can reverse itself 180 degrees in a matter of months? Is that the kind of candidate who ought to be the leader of the free world?
Obama’s answer also ignored the multiple genocides of the Saddam Hussein regime. We knew well before our entry into Iraq that Saddam had conducted genocides against the Kurds. He used the chemical weapons that people now claim he didn’t have at Halabja, for which he and his henchmen deservedly received the death penalty (although Saddam had already been executed by then). He also conducted a genocidal campaign against the Marsh Arabs, draining their wetlands and leaving them to die for their opposition to his regime. Saddam persecuted the Shi’ites after an uprising in 1991, one that continued in defiance of the no-fly zones — the same tactic Obama recommended as a stop against genocide in Sudan and elsewhere.
Now Obama says that American intervention in Iraq was the wrong move, but in an Obama Doctrine, that would have been an acceptable response. Saddam was a genocidal tyrant, and no one else in the region was going to act to stop him. The only difference here is the political juice Obama gets for opposing the Iraq war.
And, as Jacoby points out, Obama can’t even be consistent. He decries genocide and pledges American intervention to stop it, but earlier said that potential genocide wouldn’t be enough reason to keep American troops in place in Iraq. Huh? Either Obama is confused, or he only cares about genocides when it doesn’t involve Iraqis.

Posted by: Obama's changing views on Genocide | October 8, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

Obama supporters: are you deaf mute and blind???? See how he sttuters and pauses trying to find words to say when amswering questions or re-battling Mc Cain. Definitely not a sign of readiness much less clarity and grasp of the issues presented. Clearly not president potential (of the most powerful nation on earth). I may vote for him as a community organizer (no disrespect intended). This debate and the first was clearly won by Mc Cain 90 to 10.

Posted by: Mj | October 8, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am

MJ, keep dreaming, it’s over.
President Obama, get used to it.

Posted by: Independent realist | October 8, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

“That one”..
Probably… just another senior moment. Perhaps McCain could not remember Barack’s name.
I am nearly 60 years old.. and I cannot believe how old John McCain looks and acts.

Posted by: Joe | October 8, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

mj, McCain is behind and needed to knock it out of the park, as they say. He didn’t do that.

Posted by: annie | October 8, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

I think one of the most salient points that came across last night is definitely in their healthcare approach. Mccain consistently attacks Obama’s healthcare plan as a move to nationalize healthcare coverage, and while that is partially true, I am now warming up considerably to it because I do not think it is such a bad idea. The thing is Obama wants to introduce an accessible, fairly priced government subsidized healthcare plan with favorable rules and baseline coverage standards, while still allowing people to choose between private or government options. Both candidates have acknowledged that healthcare costs have only gone up through the years, but I think Obama’s plan might be a good way to stop this price inflation, but I think Obama’s plan has a potential game changing impact on this scenario. To draw an analogy, if one person sells one apple for a dollar, and everyone else sells one apple for $2, people will either only buy apples from the one who sells it more cheaply, or everyone else is going to have to lower their prices, offer better apples, or go out of business. McCain’s healthcare plan attracts voters with a $5000 tax credit to purchase health insurance, but he fails to mention that he plans to tax health benefits….smart accounting, but a bad idea. I cannot help but find that it is like taking money from my left hand to give it to my right. Offering such credits will not only do nothing against the rising costs of health coverage (since there is no downward price pressure), healthcare providers will also not be compelled to meet certain common sense non-discriminatory standards for coverage. I think Obama has hit the nail right on the head with his approach.

Posted by: andyt | October 8, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

The clip I think would be more revealing is the one in which McCain referred to his “entire military career.”
It came across as an alzheimer’s moment, when he didn’t realize he wasn’t in the military anymore. In the awkward space that followed, McCain looked flustered, and then caught himself.

Posted by: Paul | October 8, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

MJ: Thank you. For the record MJ, I live in Chicago, born and raised here, and during the 60′s the radicals, Bobby Rush and William Ayers tried to unseat Richard J. Daley at the 1968 Democratic convention. I watched it on TV. There were police all over the place. It was terrible. They had no respect for our Mayor and no respect for themselves. William Ayers was the leader of the Chicago 7. Also called the Weathermen. I cannot believe that Obama would get himself involved with a man that bombed government buildings in his own country. Even though that was years ago, it still happened. But of course, Obama belonged to a racist anti-american white hating church for 20 years and I read at an early age Obama began to dislike his mother’s race. McCain is a true American, loves this country and fought in the war. I don’t believe Obama really loves this country but is using it for his own benefit. And he wants to be in control. I am voting McCain so this country can get back on track again.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 8, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

By no means do I claim to be a scholar, but only a knowledgeable person can understand the concept that life is an in-transfer of knowledge and many scholars believe that over 90% of the things we learn, we learn from others. So when you have someone like Barack and Michelle Obama graduating with honors from one of our Country most prestigious College institution, this is an above average achievement to say the least. Barack often talks about how his Mom would wake him up at 4 in the morning to study his lessons, and he often expressed how upset it would make him, but let’s look at his achievements because of his mother’s love, concern and determination. Michelle also described how her parents stayed on her and her brother emphasizing the importance of an education and limiting them to just one hour a day of television viewing. As a result of their parent’s commitment to their lives, they attended Chicago’s most prestigious academic public high school, Whitney Young.
The reason I share this story is because of a few of reasons. The first being, I too had the honor of having my niece attend Whitney Young after getting chosen out of thousands of applicants of all nationalities of Chicago’s brightest kids. As a result of attending Whitney Young she went on to get her P.H.D. from Yale and graduated with honors also. Once again, this is no average achievement. It was a result of the countless hours that my sister devoted in preparing her when she was a young child. We all know that when you devote yourself to higher learn, it prepares you to have a better understanding of power, conflict resolution skills, discernment, philosophy, theory and many more other helpful attributes that bring about a better understanding of life challenges.
Bill and Hillary Clinton was another couple that did quite well at Ivory league School, not to mention that Bill was a road scholar. Even though we may have felt embarrassed with their questionable personal shenanigans, while in the Whitehouse. Nevertheless, there is one thing I am sure we all can agree on, and that is their political achievements were very admirable. Joe Biden has a law degree, and his wife is currently an English professor in Delaware. Now let’s look at George Bush, who was an underachiever in College (C. Student) and became this nation President. Regardless if you were one of the ones that voted for him, there is no denying that his Presidency was a complete disaster, plain and simple. After witnessing an underachiever in college get elected to the Whitehouse, and almost completely destroy our Country, we find ourselves once again contemplating foolishly doing it again with John McCain who graduated fifth from the bottom. This is simply unbelievable.
This Country has always promoted the idea that we are a nation that is built by the best and the brightest. Even our military have now adapted this same slogan, now it appears that we have a difference slogan for the Presidency, which now says that we are a nation that allows underachievers to become the President, which makes no sense. In closing, Sarah Palin attended five difference Colleges, one being a Community Junior College, and the last being Idaho which has one of the nation lowest SAT and ACT entry acceptance scores (Math SAT, 549 Verbal SAT, 559 ACT, 23). Out of 210 major Colleges I surveyed, there were only 13 Colleges with a lower SAT and ACT entry acceptance score than Idaho.
So when Sarah Palin feels like knocking Barack Obama for being a community organizer, she must have forgotten that he graduated from Harvard law School with honors and taught Constitutional law. Our best law firms in the Country only hires the brightest students from College, so why should it be any different when we choose someone for our Nation top job. This Country is the land of opportunity for those who work hard. Thus, in my final analysis on this matter is in no way meant to be cynical and undermine this basis concept, when I make it known that Gov Palin husband never graduated from College and worked 20 years as a blue-collar employee in the oil fields of the North Slope of Alaska. I know he is not running for any major office, but are these truly the credentials to get you in the Whitehouse. Perhaps we need to hang a neon sign over the Whitehouse, that says that only the knock heads need to apply for this complex job, and continuous education is not required.

Posted by: ROD | October 8, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

The other thing I noticed – imagine a guy in a coma for 20 years and woke up just before this debate.
He doesn’t know either candidate, even to the point of knowing which is in which party.
After the debate, you ask him which is the Republican and which is the Democrat. Does he get it right?
I’m guessing he doesn’t. I thought McCain was moving to Obama’s left with that idea about the federal government buying up mortgages, his refusal to prioritize efforts because he isn’t going to wait one minute working on health care, and his criticism of Obama’s tough talk.

Posted by: Paul | October 8, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Mariann: “I cannot believe that Obama would get himself involved with a man that bombed government buildings in his own country.”
Did Ayers bomb government buildings? I thought he just blew up a police memorial statue.
Also, I suppose something should be said as to the design of the American justice system. If you do the crime, you do the time. Once its done, your debt to society is paid. Don’t you agree?
Yet you seem to think Ayers is in a different class – someone who should be forever shunned by his community. Strikes me as rather un-American.

Posted by: Paul | October 8, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

angie: Pictures don’t lie. Those pictures that Fox showed are the real mccoy. You just don’t want to believe that Obama was involved with a terrorist and was an anti-american racist for many years. His wife run of the mouth Michele belonged to a racist organization at one time. All you people that are voting for Obama think that he is going to run the country. Are you kidding? Biden will be running the country behind the scenes and Obama will be president in name only. Hillary, Biden, Palin and McCain can throw rings around Obama when it comes to politics. Obama wasn’t in his senate seat long enough to know what to do. He was busy reading books on MLK wanting to walk in his shoes. Obama should start walking in his own shoes and stop trying to be MLK. MLK was intelligent and Obama left his brains at Harvard. You can be at the head of your class and still come out looking like an ass.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 8, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Ditto Marianne. Exactly is what you’ve said and I’ve heard and read not just from local or national media but more so international media which I trust more because they tell it like it is… is the reason I am honestly scared of Obama, and the more “scarier” fact is that he and his very liberal pundits has infused their GODless ways throughout the country. That is beyond frightening, we are really in a very destitute situation when and if Obama reigns. I love this nation, and all I can say is GOD BLESS us all.

Posted by: Mj | October 8, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

A little history lesson about the radicals of the 60′s, who the conservatives like to refer to as terrorists. They were pushing back on an establishment that was war mongering, forcing the youth of the country into war without the right to vote against it. Thomas Jefferson, who in his own right was a terrorist stated that it is the responsibility of the American people to occasionally shake the foundation of this nation in order to keep tyranny in check.
I am not raising the radicals to an exulted level, but the conservatives are nationalist, and they can be tyrannical. We just witnessed that over the last 8 years.

Posted by: Independent realist | October 8, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

Would someone please have the candidates define “Middle Class”? Both myself and my wife work extremely hard to EARN everything we have. I am not in favor of some “robin-hood” playing president in re-distributing our hard earned money. We both paid off many student loans to get a good education in order to have what we enjoy today. I will not pay additional taxes to help those who do not want to work and expect hand-outs. Call me un-patriotic, but facts are facts.

Posted by: HardWorkingAmerican | October 8, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

HP Boston: You said it better than I can. I agree with everything you said. There are comments about McCain’s age which is an injustice to people of that age. Who would have thought that Tim Rustert would have dropped dead on the floor preparing for a Meet The Press program at the age of 53. I was in shock. That’s why instead of their comments, they should thank God for everyday they are alive. No one knows what is going to happen to them when they walk out that door in the morning or night. And they have to remember that their parent’s are not young anymore either.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 8, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

Redistribution of the wealth is what the main purpose of income taxes. I am against income taxes, but it was voted into the constitution through the amendment process, which requires a large majority of the people of the country. I would rather see it used on domestic spending rather than for a bloated defense budget which is just a hole for government spending. We can’t defend ourselves on $300 billion a year?

Posted by: Independent realist | October 8, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am

Mj: “…is the reason I am honestly scared of Obama, and the more ‘scarier’ fact is that he and his very liberal pundits has infused their GODless ways throughout the country. That is beyond frightening, we are really in a very destitute situation when and if Obama reigns.”
Wow, that’s some statement.
So you’re afraid Obama is secretly planning to blow up some statues himself? I’m having trouble following this logic.
And what exactly do you mean by Godless? Is it because Obama hasn’t had the blessing of a witch doctor?
I’ll tell you what strikes me as Godless. This notion, as expressed yesterday by Palin, that the U.S. was the greatest source of good in the world. That’s a pretty aethiestic statement, and certainly not what my church teaches.
Oh, one more thing, a president doesn’t reign. That’s kind of one of the things our Founding Fathers wanted to get away from.

Posted by: Paul | October 8, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

Independent Realist: “We can’t defend ourselves on $300 billion a year?”
What the Republicans don’t want us to know is we now spend nearly half of the global defense budget.
And if you look at the next 10 top spenders, seven are formal allies and another is Switzerland.
The next highest defense spender after us is Japan at $41 billion. Granted, that can be argued, because the Japanese “navy” or naval self defense forces as they call it also perform duties like our Coast Guard. If you stip those out, the Japanese drop to third and the next highest is the Brits, according the CIA’s unclassified reports.
There are only a few nations that we know for sure spend more than $40 billion – all allies of ours. The CIA does acknowledge that its estimates of China’s spending are most likely not accurate, and estimates there range from $20 to $60 billion.

Posted by: Paul | October 8, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am


I thought Mccain was very rude and disrespectful not only to obama but to the voter in regards to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, when Mccain said ‘There are probably many of you who never heard of them before this crisis” IS MCCAIN AN IDIOT WHO ON GODS EARTH DONT KNOW WHO FREDDIE AND FANNIE ARE? Mccain why do you think americans are stupid? he is one angry bitter disrespectful man.

You can blame everything on Bush’s policies. But FREDDIE AND FANNIE is really a socialism practice by liberals and apparently it fails.
It fails, not necessarily bacause it is wrong but because America is not THAT wealthy so people can have what they need when they need.
This country needs leaders with moderate views rather than liberals, who can share majority’s value in common ground.
Right now you can not expect any realistic cooperations between the two parties because leaders of both sides have different extreme views.
Selecting these leaders is just like swinging high on hope and hitting low on reality. Again and again.
Let us wait and see. Anyone who leads us out of this deadlock situation is surely great one.

Posted by: jy2008 | October 8, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

As for our potential adversaries, how much do they spend on defense?
China and Russia aren’t really adversaries, as we owe so much debt to each that we really can’t go to war with either. But China comes in at fourth with a $59 billion budget, and Russia fifth with a $50 billion budget.
Our first commonly recognized potential adversary, Iran, comes in as the 26th biggest defense spender with an annual budget of $6.3 billion.
North Korea is 29th with $5.5 billion.
Venezuela is 35th with $4 billion.
By contrast, the U.S. spends $583 billion, which is almost half of the $1.2 trillion global annual expenditure.

Posted by: Paul | October 8, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

Paul, did you know that a republican president, Eisenhower, actually cut the defense budget, and put the money towards building the highway system. Where did the men with that kind of courage go?
And by the way, who are we supposed to be afraid of that we need to spend that much money? If we keep doing that we will be bankrupt sooner than later, and then they win… whoever they are.

Posted by: Independent realist | October 8, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Realist – I did. That’s an interesting story. Eisenhower was impressed with the Autobahn, which he saw for the first time while allied forces were moving into Germany. Though he recognized other applications, his big interest was having a road system on which U.S. military ground forces could move quickly, if ever required to defend the homeland.
I also remember Eisenhower’s farewell speech in which he warned about the dangers of the military-industrial complex if it were to grow to large.

Posted by: Paul | October 8, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

McCain is a very very sick man.
McCain had to escape the stage immediately after the debate for health reasons.
Obama stayed on for almost 20 minutes to chat with the audience of 80+, sign autographs and take pictures.
Like I already said before McCain is a very sick man who will die in office if elected.
McCain apparently had a dizzy spell three days ago and almost collapsed, but was caught by one of his FBI Security details.
Investigations are underway, trying to force McCain to release his latest medical records.
McCain has either developed prostate cancer or his skin cancer is back.
If any of this is true McCain has less than 3 years to live. And don’t talk to me about his mother because she does not have cancer.
At what ages did McCain’s father and grandfather die again?
Just think about it for a moment my friends.
McCain will die in office if elected and Sarah “Humpty Dumpty” Palin will be President.
God Save America.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 8, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

Steve, please leave the rumor and fear mongering to the Republicans.

Posted by: Paul | October 8, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Paul, I have to believe that the industrial war machine that Eisenhower spoke of is the lobbyist and the neo-cons that keep getting us into these meaningless wars. Bush’s father belongs to one of the industrial war machines. Much of his wealth along with former secretary of state baker has come from in the last decade.

Posted by: Independent realist | October 8, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

“Obama stayed on for almost 20 minutes to chat with the audience of 80+, sign autographs and take pictures”
really? It was obvious there were too many black people (98% for Obama)for the crowd to be “undecided”.

Posted by: geevill | October 8, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

geevill, are you race bating? Only whites can be undecided?

Posted by: Independent realist | October 8, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Where was grandpa munster when the debate was over? I didn’t see him getting his picture taken with the crowd. Was it past his bedtime?

Posted by: Independent realist | October 8, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

McCain cannot win because he is so closely aligned with deregulation. He is cranky because he knows victory is slipping.

Posted by: glass steagall houses | October 8, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

Obama is almost as clueless as his
runningmate, Joe Biden!
I can’t believe that the Media,
Fox included missed this gaffe:
And we can do it, but we’re going to have to make an investment. The same way the computer was originally invented by a bunch of government scientists who were trying to figure out, for defense purposes, how to communicate, we’ve got to understand that this is a national security issue, as well.
The Computer was invented by the
U.S. Government! I Don’t Think So!
I guess Obama meant the internet but
it was a big mistake!
Had McCain said that he would have
been crucified!

Posted by: reaganfan | October 8, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

Obama will be the next president. Just look at the polls. Focus on the electoral maps. That speaks louder than the popular vote polls.
McCain is done.

Posted by: Independent realist | October 8, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

McCain is angry and incompetent. Obama’s supporters are ANGRY while HE is incompetent. Suttle difference… I suppose.

Posted by: hmn | October 8, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

I find it interesting that many of the McCain supporters want to yammer on about Ayers instead of anything substantive in the last night’s debate..
Concentrating on Ayers will not bring McCain closer to the White House. He needs to shift his focus back on the economy. And if McCain starts to really talk about issues, that will leave Palin with nothing to do. I suggest she go back to Alaska and answer questions in the Troopergate investigation.
You people may find comfort in your GOP Ayers conspiracy theory club, but the rest of America is focused on the economy.

Posted by: Jennifer | October 8, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

Reganfan:
You simply do not know your history. The computer WAS invented by the government. Or at least the US Armyseems to think it was.
This is from the US Army’s site http://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/comphist/eniac-story.html
“The world’s first electronic digital computer was developed by Army Ordnance to compute World War II ballistic firing tables.”
Now if you can calm down, you might be able to get your foot out of your mouth.

Posted by: NoMoreIdiots | October 8, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

We’ve got to impose term limits on every incumbent running for Congress or the Senate in this election. They all deserve to be fired! We don’t need a constitutional amendment to do this, just vote against every incumbent running, Democrat or Republican. Fire every one of them. Doing this could very well force whomever is elected President to sit down with all the new faces and come up with real solutions to the serious problems we’re facing…and maybe even putting the long term interests of our nation first.

Posted by: TP | October 8, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

We’ve got to impose term limits on every incumbent running for Congress or the Senate in this election. They all deserve to be fired! We don’t need a constitutional amendment to do this, just vote against every incumbent running, Democrat or Republican. Fire every one of them. Doing this could very well force whomever is elected President to sit down with all the new faces and come up with real solutions to the serious problems we’re facing…and maybe even putting the long term interests of our nation first.

Posted by: TP | October 8, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

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