The Note: McCain Losing Traction, Options as Final Debate Looms

Doubt and mistrust are sinking Obama as the stories of ACORN voter fraud, jesse Jackson bragging about Obama’s pro-black anti-Jew agenda, Obama telling a plumber he will take his income and give it to lazy slugs, so on make it to middle America despite MSM blackout.

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…the Washington lobbyist who JOHN McCAIN has named to HEAD HIS PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TEAM, aided an influence effort on BEHALF of IRAQI DICTATOR SADDAM HUSSEIN !!!!!
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Never thought I would see the day geevil was weakening. To make your points valid, you’re actually using Jesse Jackson as credible all of a sudden? Because he says something that he hoped would be damaging to Obama; you give him credibility possibly for the first time in your life. I dont know you, but I know you’re better than that…Listen to yourself; have some dignity in these last days.

geevil, sinking Obama? That level of denial is Palin-esque. What planet are you on?

To Steve_NJ
Could you be anymore illiterate??
It scares me you have a privilage to vote.

ABC is evil – Making people believe that Obama has ever had a chance of becoming Pres in this election. Do you believe in the Easter Bunny too?

Geevill will have to get a real job instead of a paid Republican troll. Where do you live Geevill? We can start networking for you.

Some networks are reporting that the McCain campaign is trying to lower expectations before this last debate.
Wasted effort. First two debates did that already.

geevill hopes to land a position with Rick Davis getting $15,0000 per month from Freddie Mac for doing nothing.

I should not be unkind to geevill who I have come to admire. After this is over, my friend, what say we hit the road and rediscover America. All we need is a burlap bag and we can live off the ACORNs alongside the road.

geevil….BTW, I am NOT a lazy slug…I have been working since I was 15 years old, and am still struggling to make $30,000 a year. I have never been laid off because as soon as I lost a job I had another one waiting. I didn’t have the money to finish college because of the Bush policies, So here I am…
You are an idiot by saying people who are struggling are slugs…

Acorn? LOL is a joke all over the net and even now with the MSM because there are too many pictures of McCain speaking at their events! LOL Same poor tactics and message and the American people, Democrats and Republicans alike, are sick and tired of the lies.

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…the Washington lobbyist who JOHN McCAIN has named to HEAD HIS PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TEAM, aided an influence effort on BEHALF of IRAQI DICTATOR SADDAM HUSSEIN !!!!!
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If McCain brings up Ayers, who was a member of the Weather Underground when Obama was 8 years old, then McCain’s involvement with Wm. Timmons is fair game. Timmons was a lobbyist on behalf of Saddam Hussein after the first gulf war. His job was to try to get sanctions against Iraq lifted! He is a traitor! And now McCain has tapped him to head his transition team if he gets elected. SHAME!

I end up laughing all the time when
I try to think what McCain has been
saying.
He said: “when you want to attack
your enemy you never mention what
you are going to do (Ref. Afghanistan /Pakistan war).
Now, he has mentioned that he will bring Ayers issue during the debate.
McCain, you have already mentioned
your intentions, and hope your opponent will not prepare himself for the attacks? Folks, we will have a huge problem incase McCain wins, which I do not anticipate will happen.

McCain + Timmons + Rick Davis = CORRUPTION

darryl from indy,
What is illerate about exposing the fact that Old McGeezer is very sick and they are hiding the information from the voters.
You Repugs are really in denial.
Let me say it again.
McCAIN IS SICK, VERY VERY SICK.
The voters deserve to know this TRUTH.

It doesn’t matter. The media has never tested Obama and they will not now. So thanks to the media we will have a very weak and inexperienced leader – Obama.
Mark my words. After Obama wins and is inaugurated – you will soon be seeing Rev. Wright in the white house. Just watch – that whole thing was staged when Wright came out against Obama and then Obama threw him under the bus and then we never heard from Wright again.

“it bears a strong resemblance to something else in Sen. Obama’s past: voting PRESENT.”
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Do you even understand what you are writing? Voting “present” in the Illinois State Legislature is not uncommon. It is used to signal support for a bill, but perhaps not the wording; it is used when there is a conflict of interest, etc.
Obama voted “present” 123 times out of 4000 votes.
Obama was labeled “head of the class” by the Illinois Times for his legislative abundance.

Keep your cool tonight Sen. Obama.
McCain is going to either come at you with everything, or he’s going to try and play the role of “hero that can save you”.
Either way…stay on message. Don’t get rattled. If you get hit, counter and come back with a few well placed punches of your own! McCain’s hands are less than clean. His choice of friends leaves a lot to be desired.
Break a leg Obama!

Brenda – Rev. Wright in the White House? Are you serious? Are you nuts? Do people really believe this silliness? No brains, no brains at all.

to Greg in MN>
Yes I am sure Obama just read your message because he is so concerned about you as an individual. there is only one thing that socialist moron wants from you and that is your vote. After election day he will be back to hanging with his rich friends and supporters and most of his promises will begin to be broken. His biggest motivation is to be the first black pres

Yes ObamafortheUSA. Just watch! I can’t wait to be the first one to say is “I told you so” you obvisoulsy have bought his rhetoric.

Brian-Chicago – It might well turn out the opposite too, that people who live in conservative areas aren’t willing to ‘fess up to their friends and neighbors that they really want Obama. But you could be right. It’ll be interesting to see what happens and election day will prove what kind of people we are.

PALIN HAS VALUES????????WOW FIRST I HAVE HEARD OF THEM…SHE IS A LIAR A CROOK USES PEOPLE AND HER POWER YOU CONSIDER THAT VALUE? YOU ARE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS SHE IS.SORRY I THINK THIS IS THE WORST PEPUBLICAN TICKET THEY COULD HAVE EVER COME UP WITH..HE TRIED TO RIDE HER SKIRTS BUT……..DIDN’T WORK.HE IS AN OLD MAN WITH NOEW NEW IDEAD SHE IS A JOE SIX PACK THAT IS WAY OUT OF TOUCH AND WAY TO RISKY FOR THIS COUNTRY >>>>> WINK ;)

Brenda: Maybe you should read about the Tuskegee Syphlis Study or the Compulsive Sterilization Program that this country ran from 1907 thru the 1970′s. Rev Wright had alot of reasons to decry what this country has done to blacks and the mentally retarded.Think what this administration has done to this country in the name of democracy!

Well is this how Obama is getting contributions — credit card fraud by his “team”???
“They (Chase) kept on asking me ‘are you sure you wouldnt have gone to a site in support of Obama’,” said Rachel Larman. “And I repeatedly said ‘Im voting for McCain – I would not be going to an Obama site’.”
Chase dropped the charge from the Larman’s card. The couple is thankful thay they caught the charge on the card, but worried that others may not see that type of fraud on their own credit cards before it’s too late.
“You always get emails saying be on the lookout,” said Rachel. “So I just wanted to get the word out, that there’s someone out there perpetrating this against people, and to pay attention.”
The Obama campaign said they were aware of the Larman’s story, but did not have any comment.

Vic Winkler: Welcome aboard ….we appreciate your vote! I promise you.. you won’t be sorry.

Once it was easy to admire John McCain.
Amazing how in the span of just a few months he first tarnished the McCain brand and most recently has done it terrible damage. What sort of President acts like that, runs a confused anything-goes campaign like that, and most notably — Puts a complete nincompoop like PALIN on his ticket???
What the ….?????
Is THIS the John McCain ANYONE wants to remember?????

Waaaaaaah!!! Sniffle, sniffle sniffle…..(Said the cynic)
“THAT ONE” just drank all of my milkshaaaaaaaaake, and won’t give it baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!
Whining hasn’t gotten you this far. Why continue down a dead end? Oh, you’re following your fearless leader John McChicken….My Bad.
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!!!

To Link:
Why is it your first instinct to bash McCain when someone says something negative about Obama. I think both of this candidates are morons and are equally unqualified to be commander in chief. I am voting for Obama against my better judgement but what choice do I have. I have been a life long democrat and I am extremely disappointed in our choices but I could never vote Republican.

Angie…don’t forget McCains ties to the women who bombed an aboriton clinic and shot a docter. She is in federal Prison now.

If McCain goes down the Ayers route, he will lose even more respect from conservatives who have been emphasizing that McCain needs to stay on message about the economy..
It’s the radical neocon Republican base who wants McCain to continue attacking.
The John McCain of 2000 has been buried due to his lusty ambition to become president.

This may be harsh, but I frequently think — when listening to/watching Palin — that the only thing missing is a brown shirt circa pre-WWII.
OK, so it is a harsh statement — but I really do think that often enough.
Palin does NOT represent the party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, or any number of other capable and honest Republican Presidents or Vice Presidents.
Palin DOES remind me of SPIRO AGNEW, who was a sad chapter in recent Republican history. And Palin also reminds me of the dangers of electing a President who is intellectually uninterested in any views other than those that his ideology allow for.
BUSH YEARS: 3 words–Ideology, Incompetence and Arrogance.
MCCAIN/PALIN YEARS: “America — the former great power…”
Folks, the writing is on the wall. If you can still read, do it. Read and think.

Makin It
Yes I know but the Right wing nuts are proud of that, Its sad there is so much on Mccain the Media wont report but harp for days and days about nonsense about Obama sad!

During the primaries, I at least respected McCain for his service and his sacrifice. Although I have been for Obama since the Iowa caucuses, I thought to myself that if McCain ended up winning, the country would be OK. Now however, given the nasty, personal attacks which have no merit in truth that the McCain campaign has unleashed, he has dropped way down in my estimation. No McCain, no way, not now, not ever.

Linda-
No problem. It’s all in fun. This election reminds me of the Civil War.
Neighbors pitted against neighbors. It’s crazy. We all have the same goal in mind. Prosperity, Peace and goodwill.
Some of the crap being discussed about both candidates is ridiculous.

Brenda – you call it “rhetoric.” I call it brains. If there was ever a hope that I’d vote for McCain it was over the second he chose Palin. Talk about dangerous! This woman may be clever and know how to relate to joe-sixpack folks but she’s got no intelligence to speak of and to have her be one step away from the White House is a truly chilling thought. Yeah, McCain lost me and quite a few others who value intelligence in our leaders. Apparently you don’t.

William J. LePetomaine,
They have merit in truth but as it goes the media dismisses it .It is not hard to see the lies the deceit that obama surrounds himself with.Change is one thing RADICAL CHANGE IS ANOTHER!!!

To understand McCain’s situation, think of McCain’s campaign as an overweight person. A person doesn’t put on 75 extra pounds overnight, and it can’t be taken off overnight. Sen. McCain’s problems (the backfiring Palin publicity stunt; the ‘suspended campaign’ grandstanding, etc.) have been many, and each new misstep piled up to become Sen. McCain’s current train wreck campaign. Sen. McCain’s many missteps can’t all be undone by waving a magic wand (or via one debate).

Reddog: William Timmons = traitor. And McCain wants him to head his transition team? And McCain is not 8 years old.

too add on to my last thought,
also, lets put into perspecitive that Barack Obama, the black guy with hte funny sounding name beat not only the Clinton machine (which no one thought was possible) but also is poised to take out the Republican machine that past Dems did not know how to do.
Kudos Obama. You deserve it all.

Why thank you Alan. You have caused my eyes to open and see that you, of course, are right.
What was I thinking!?!? Hoping that the candidate I am going to vote for will do well. And posting my well wishes on a place where people go to, well, post things.
Why, I should do what you do! Troll blogs and whine and moan only!
It’s a blog! Did I think the Obama was reading this particular one? Uh…nope. Just wanted to put stuff out there…like people do…ON BLOGS!

My guess for tonight is the hard core political junkies will watch to see if McCain makes a guilt by association attack, and a lot of other voters won’t watch.
I’m guessing viewership will be significantly down for this one.
I’m not saying the election is over, but there’s a growing sense it might be, and I’m guessing that and relatively boring previous debates will be enough to convince a lot of voters to either check what’s on the other channels or maybe catch up on a little housecleaning.

“The bill NEVER made it out of committee and was ruled “dead”, therefore never being brought to a full Senate vote.”
Posted by: Paige | Oct 15, 2008 9:58:02 AM
No, it’s a “shame” when partisans like you ignore facts.
The bill WAS passed out of committee on a party line vote, but died on the Senate floor because no Democrats would vote to end debate (need 60 senators).
Now are you going to tell us how brilliantly and courageously Obama voted Present in Illinois 123 times?

Friend of FF: perhaps you can explain how brilliantly and courageously McCain missed altogether over 400 votes in the Senate? Being from Illinois, at least I know what a “present” vote means in the Illinois legislature, and it is not what you think.

William J. LePetomaine – while I don’t share what seems to be your partisan fervor, I do agree that McCain has managed to make himself seem like the riskier choice, given his campaign performance.
McCain himself said we need a steady hand on the tiller, and I don’t see how many people can look at McCain now and still see a steady hand.

Most voter are sick of hearing about Ayers. This issue is not relevant to our concerns. Our retirement savings have plunged in value. Some of us face unemployment and foreclosure. We wonder what kind of future our children will have.
We want to know how the candidates would address those concerns as president. We want to know who has the brains and temperament to handle the job.
However, McCain will bring up Ayers because he’s unable to talk about anything else. His economic plan is too little, too late. McCain will bring up Ayers because he will be a wuss if he doesn’t — now that Obama and others have dared him to.
McCain won’t be able to talk about the Ayers “connection” without becoming angry. Obama will calmly explain to tens of millions of voters how weak that relationship is — and that quite a few Republicans had similar connections to Ayers, as they had with ACORN.
Obama will then coolly and precisely return fire with McCain’s far more significant relationships with Keating, Bonanno, and Liddy.
The angry and desperate McCain will simply continue to turn off independents and the remaining handful of undecideds with his obsession with Ayers’ actions 40 years ago. Obama will be intelligent, reasonable, and calm — traits that we need in our next president.

It’s all over but the shoutin, folks, and actually, the shoutin is more like squeelin.
As a Vet myself, I have serious issues with McCain beginning with his narration of his POW experience, his lack of POW support and absence of veterans’ issue support. Then, he has his own personal morality issues, ACORN issues, Gordon Liddy issues, lobbyists issues and his selection of Palin as a running mate. Palin is a bonafiide liar, poor parent, earmark abuser and an unethical yet blindly ambitious small-town politician who is too stupid to realize that she’s too ignorant to be the VEEP!
The McCain campaign is the definition of hypocricy. Country first my ass!

Alex: “Most voter are sick of hearing about Ayers. This issue is not relevant to our concerns.”
I agree. If McCain wants to connect those dots and claim that Obama is sympathetic to terrorists in general, then he should do that.
Otherwise this is just an argument over whether Obama lied when he described his relationship with Ayers. And the ironic thing is McCain’s criticism is based on a mischaracterization of what Obama said, lol.
In other words, when saying that Obama’s truthfulness is the issue, McCain is lying about Obama’s words.

Paul,
Expertise comes from the people that advise you with your own thoughts added in.While she may not have the Law degree etc…I think she has some life experince and Govermental experince that not only leads to the proof of her ability also lends to her credibility and quite honestly I can care less about troopergate that was nothing more than someone helping out a family member .It is a tough line to draw.If my sister asked for my help or I felt she was in danger I would do everything in my power to help her as well

When confronted with the Ayers issue, all Obama needs to do is ask John McShame what it is that he believes is the truth. Since all McShame has done is innuendo, he will be forced to put teeth to his accusation at which time America will see that McShame has nothing. McShame will look like the old fool that he has become.
Desperate, desperate, desperate. McShame sees his chances slipping away, and after tonight he is done.
President Obama! Get used to it!

daryl -
you really need to learn how actually works. Just having a simple majority is not enough to actually get something passed when you can’t override a veto or stop a filibuster. Note that Shrub never vetoed a bill until AFTER the Democrats “took control” and has vetoed almost everything they sent to him

Something that no one brings up, but Ayers is a professor of education. He has taught thousands of college kids. Are they all now terrorists in waiting?
President Obama! Get used to it!

reddog: “If my sister asked for my help or I felt she was in danger I would do everything in my power…”
I assume you’re referring to the Troopergate thing.
Here, I flat out don’t buy what Palin is saying. She feared for her family’s safety, so she wanted to get this former brother-in-law fired?
It doesn’t make sense to me. If this guy really was a danger to the family, the fastest way to realize that danger would be to take his job away. Then he has a huge grudge, less to lose, and no structure reigning his actions in.
Sounds more to me like she just didn’t like the guy, wanted to stick it to him, and then used the notion of being concerned about safety as an excuse.

And, Darryl,
Whaddaya think of the AIP Republican party infiltrator Palin??? That story’s coming home to roost as we speak as well. Obama was 8 when Ayers committed his acts, Palin is married to an AIP member as recently as 2002 and even addressed the 2008 AIP convention.

Multi-million dollar lawsuits coming to a Palin near you.
http://www.mudflats.wordpress.com
Wooten and Monegan are exacting pounds of flesh it seems. Wonder how they’re gonna divide that house on the lake and who gets the plane?

1) S.190 is introduced in January, 2005.
2) HR 1461, the House counterpart, was introduced in April.
3) After hearings, both bills were voted out of their respective committees in July.
4) After that, S.190 vanishes. Where is the record of it being discussed on the Senate floor?
5) HR 1461 is passed in the House in October. It secures about 330 votes, but that’s with almost all of the Republican votes, and about half of the Democrats.
6) HR 1461 is received in the Senate, and referred to the Banking committee.
7) HR 1461 is never heard from again. No committee meetings were ever held.
The Seante leadership, which was Republican in 2005, killed the bill through parliamentary neglect.

reddog: “I look at someones record and her record from what I can see and support rating that she has is second to none.”
Not true, anymore. Here numbers in Alaska have dropped significantly. They aren’t crashing, but she is far from the governor now with the highest approval ratings.
Alaska’s largest newspaper just yesterday virtually slammed her for embarrassing Alaska with the Orwellian claim that the troopergate report vindicated her, and today, the paper has a lot of letters to the editor that echo the same theme.
They also have a lot of letters to the editor that question the objectivity of the investigators, so like I said, its a mixed bag.

Jennifer and Paul,
I am still wondering about an ODD candidate who stated in Oregon that he had traveled to 57 states and had one more to go, excluding Alaska and Hawaii.
Can you confirm that was a intellectual deficit error, or a slip by a foreign man?
I am curious about other ODD moments…
ie:
the fake Presidential seal, the wierd renditions of American flags surrounding obama, and his unwillingness to put his hand over his heart to salute the flag.
An ABC interview caught Obama saying that he is Muslim.
If he is , then why lie to us about it?
Why can’t the voters know up front and center who we elect? Is it a tricky Nixon type untruth?
Are these slip ups (Bush type intellect) moments, or is there a clear evident senile (Regan type dementia onset) at hand?
The mis steps were’nt very intellectual were they?
How should I believe this is a brilliant man?
Please explain to me how you yourselves over came the 60 states of the union?

Rubbish??? OH, you mean that toxic waste dump across the dead Lake Lucille from the Palin’s house.
Darryl,
Do you deny that Palin addressed the 2008 Alaska Independence Party’s convention and told the to “keep up the good work”? Do you deny the taped eveidence that the AIP actively promotes members to infiltrate the established political parties to advance their cause? Do you deny that Todd Palin was an AIP member until Sarah decided to run for Lt Gov. in 2002?
But you really want to discuss Obama’s relationship with Ayers on a board of a republican’s charity in Chicago. Hmmmmm.

Yes, dotty, Obama referred to 57 states. He meant 57 primaries and caucuses, some of which were held in territories. But he said states.
And McCain said Czechoslovakia was still a country three times, said Iran was supporting al Qaeda twice, said al Qaeda in Iraq would take over Iraq if we pulled out (thus beating the majority Shia) three times, referred to the border between Iraq and Afghanistan, and called all of us “my fellow prisoners.”
Mispeaks happen, but voters have to decide if they think the mispeak was just a result of talking all day long or caused by ignorance. If you believe Obama really doesn’t know the number of U.S. states, don’t vote for him.
To me, its more believable that McCain really didn’t understand the differences between Shia and Sunni, as numerous mispeaks have pointed to that possible confusion.
Also, if you think Obama is lying about being a Christian or refuses to hold his hand over the heart as a show of opposition to the U.S., again, factor that into your voting decision.

Bob-
Maybe you miseed it. It is Sarah Palin who is running with McCain and not her husband Todd.

I am curious about the affiliation of the community organizer to the Maharishi University in Fairfield Iowa.
I have scoured to find out why Michele Obama went to speak in Fairfield Iowa.
Isn’t this the same group that tried to overtake the toiwn of Antelope Oregon with snakes in mailboxes and salad bars, to rid the location of residents to establish a base for India to overtake the economy of the World?
No one ever answers questions, yet I am supposed to cast a vote on blind faith?
Paul and Jennifer, I would just like to hear how you made your decision, considering this ODD speech location by the Obamas?
If it doesn’t bother the Department of Justice or the Homeland defense zar, then why worry about it I guess.
The Bush administration is a very confusing thing to me. I cannot understand why we have all of this civil investigation, and nothing done about who we let into the Country to overtake small towns.
Do you think we already lost the war on terror?
Mc Cain seems to act like we haven’t,so where does Obama stand on the issue?

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. writes:
>>>Vice Presidential hopeful Sarah Palin has taken to faulting Senator Barack Obama for his casual acquaintance with a respected Illinois educator Bill Ayers, who forty years ago was a member of the Weathermen, a movement active when Obama was eight and which he has denounced as “detestable.” Palin argues that the relationship proves that Obama sees “America as being so imperfect that he is palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.”
The Times dedicated a page one article to Obama’s relations with Ayers and CNN’s Anderson Cooper obliged Palin by rewarding her reckless accusations about Obama’s patriotism with a major investigative report. Fox, meanwhile, is still riveting its audience with wall to wall coverage of this pressing irrelevancy.
But if McCarthy-era guilt-by-association is once again a valid political consideration, Palin, it would seem, has more to lose than Obama. Palin, it could be argued, following her own logic, thinks so little of America’s perfection that she continues to “pal around” with a man–her husband, actually–who only recently terminated his seven-year membership in the Alaskan Independence Party. Putting plunder above patriotism, the members of this treasonous cabal aim to break our country into pieces and walk away with Alaska’s rich federal oil fields and one-fifth of America’s land base–an area three-fourths the size of the Civil War Confederacy.<<<
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/alaskan-independence-part_b_133261.html

Darryl,
She’s one 72 year old heartbeat away and McCain irresponsibly put the country at risk with her selection.
Nonetheless, McCain has enough crap in his locker to keep you busy defending him but naaah, Palin’s more fun and the most recent example of McCain’s maverickyness (translation: Idiocy).

As the Republican party dies off, it is time to look at the libertarian party as an alternative. With their belief in the constitution and the liberties that it grants us, along with their small government, and fiscal responsibility stance, they can be a refreshing replacement for the corrupt, fear mongering, imperialistic republicans.
There is no doubt that a third party will rise from the ashes of the GOP. Hopefully they will be principled and honest with the best interest of the country, and not the rich.

Bob: “Go to http://www.mudflats.wordpress.com for a good article on Palin’s House-Gate.”
Thanks, Bob, and no offense but I don’t think I will. I really don’t care other than as a political junkie watching the drama play out. From that perspective, the Anchorage Daily News provides sufficient detail for me.
Either way – whether she did take a construction favor or not – it doesn’t really matter much. The political impact of her selection to the McCain ticket is kind of unwavering at this point. The Republican base claims to love her, though many Republican-leaning pundits still question the choice. And Democrats obviously don’t like her much.
The real game is independents, and she seems to be more of a turn-off than a plus with them. To the degree that a running mate has an impact, that’s most likely the biggest impact she’ll have on this race.

DREW GRIFFIN: Good morning, Kiran. You know, ever since the voter registration deadline ended for this November 4th election, I feel like I’ve been on a national tour looking at voter registration fraud across the country. In Philly, it’s no different. And here in Philadelphia, they say it’s the same group as everywhere else. The good news, there have been hundreds of thousands of new voter registrations processed in Philadelphia, including a vast majority of good, clean registrations from ACORN. The bad news, Philadelphia has already sent 1,500 obvious fraudulent registrations to the U.S. Attorney to be investigated. Every one of them from the same group, ACORN.

jai: “Then came the USS Forester incident.”
All joking aside, and I have joked about this incident, too, McCain wasn’t the least bit responsible for that fire.
The other stuff you wrote about… yep. He does seem to be a below average pilot. You can set aside one accident as equipment failure or even just one of those things. But he seems to have strewn wreckage around everywhere he’s been assigned.
And, yes, he did talk as a POW. He also bargained – talk in return for a trip to a local hospital, and both parties in this agreement held up their end of the deal.
Was McCain tortured? I’m sure he was. But there are also accounts of him sipping coffee while having numerous conversations with a Cuban psychiatrist during his captivity. And one of his captors just yesterday expressed support for his campaign, and noted that while he and McCain had fierce debates during office hours, they had many friendly conversations in the after hours.
His captivity was still that, captivity. But it may not have been the five constant years of suffering the campaign seems to want us to think it was.

I am sure a Democratic Congress would keep her in check as well.

Barack Hussein Obama!
He is not a muslim but his name looks like one
He is not an Arab but his name looks like one
He is not a radical but his name looks like one
He is not a terrorist but his name looks like one.
It must be safer to vote for McCain-Palin!

dottydo – if you believe those e-mails about Obama, then do you believe the ones Republicans sent out about McCain eight years ago?
Again, if you think he was born in Indonesia, or he was madrassa trained, or he is in any way some kind of Manchurian Muslim candidate, then don’t vote for him.
But remember what you’re up against if you’re trying to make those arguments about Obama. We’ve already seen people call him the anti-Christ. I mean really, the anti-Christ. There seems to be some people who really believe that. So squabbles over birth certificates and lapel pins kind of pale in comparison to that one.

Bob-
Real mature, yeah…I’ll move to Alaska.
Bravo.
Again, voters like you give Dems and Repubs a bad name.
You are a radical.

reddog – lol, here’s the problem. I don’t like any of the four you mentioned.
I’d go with a Colin Powell/Chuck Hagel ticket.
Or… and I know I’m in the vast minority on this one… a ticket with Christine Todd Whitman on top. I think she’s a pretty smart and honorable lady.
On the Democratic side, I could go for a ticket with some combination of Warner/Bayh/Sebellius.

According to a prominent Democratic supporter of Barack Obama, the ‘Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades’ will ‘lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.’ It should not surprise anyone that Obama’s supporters see what others, from the terrorist group Hamas to Iranian President Ahmadinejad, have seen: an Obama presidency would bring real change to America’s policy of support for Israel. Barack Obama has claimed that nobody has suffered more than the Palestinians, praised a former spokesman of a Palestinian terrorist group for reminding him of his own ‘blind spots’ and ‘biases,’ and told the New York Times that Hamas and Hezbollah have ‘legitimate claims.’
Barack Obama expressed support for Jerusalem being the undivided capital of Israel and switched his position 24 hours later in the face of criticism from Palestinians. A former Middle East adviser to Obama admitted that he had held meetings with the terrorist Palestinian group Hamas. Barack Obama has said it is a “disgrace” that the United States has not met unconditionally with leaders committed to Israel’s destruction. Now, Barack Obama claims to be a strong supporter of Israel but his supporters — here and abroad — know better.

Bob,
Perhaps you’ve never heard Mr. Wright preach. You know, the church Obama has supported for YEARS. Until of course he had to distance himself.

Bob, actually that sounds like a pretty innocuous speech. I suppose she can be criticized for attending the convention at all, and thus – in the great fear of Republicans – granting legitimacy to the secessionist movement in Alaska, or whoever is being graced with a visit.
But actually I don’t see anything wrong with what she said.

McCain and Palin will get us out of the war in Iraq and create more jobs to improve the economy. They are decent leaders and will do an excellent job to make America proud. They understand and fight for american values unlike the other candidates. Obama said he would sit down with Russia, North Korea and Iran to solve international problems but he is not aware of the fact that leaders of those countries are snakes that are ready to bite you. I am sure McCain will sit down if those leaders change their attitude and don’t try to degrade America as much as they have done in the past.

Paul,
I was thinking the same thing. What;s the big deal. She is the Govenor and greet all conventions.

Bingo on the witch doctor Paul. But, I don’t think addressing the AIP and “keep up the good work” are prudent decisions of a sitting governor given the primary goal of the party, secession from the U.S.

Bob, its a fair criticism. I’m kind of in the “who cares” column on this one, but I can see your point.
In context, the drama here is that she attended AIP conventions before being a politician and married one of the secessionists. So from that perspective, its a little more interesting than just a governor greeting an opposing party’s convention.
The truth teller would be if there is an Alaskan Communist Party, and they invited the governor… would she go?

Sen. Obama’s confidence, intelligence, temperament, command of the issues/needs of the American people will position him to win the last debate tonight ! McCain’s planned IGNORANT, STUPID, IMMATURE attacks WILL NOT PREVAIL !
You [ Barack Obama], are from God and have overcome them [the enemy’s attacks, schemes, and plots ] , because the one [God] who is in you [ Barack Obama] is greater than the one [the enemy ] who is in the world. – 1 John 4:4
No weapon forged against you [ Barack Obama] will prevail, and you [ Barack Obama] will refute every tongue that accuses you [ Barack Obama] . This is the heritage of the servants [ Barack Obama] of the LORD, and this is their [ Barack Obama] vindication from me,” declares the LORD. – Isaiah 54:17
” I [ God ] will send my terror ahead of you [ Barack Obama] and throw into confusion every nation you [ Barack Obama] encounter. I [ God ] will make all your [ Barack Obama] enemies turn their backs and run.” – Exodus 23:27
The Lord will rescue me [ Barack Obama] from every evil attack and will bring me [ Barack Obama] safely to his heavenly kingdom. – 2 Timothy 4:18
11 For he will command his angels concerning you [ Barack Obama] to guard you [ Barack Obama ] in all your ways; 12 they will lift you [ Barack Obama ] up in their hands, so that you [ Barack Obama ] will not strike your [his] foot against a stone. 13 You [ Barack Obama ] will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you [ Barack Obama ] will trample the great lion and the serpent. – Psalm 91:11-13
I have given you [ Barack Obama ] authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you [ Barack Obama ]. – Luke 10:19
It’s time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It’s time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It’s time for REAL change in Washington, it’s time to elect Barack Obama for president !
Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !
Amen.

dirty setup: “I worry about Obama and Biden selling America, Iraq and Israel than I worry about Palin.”
I worry more about McCain than the other three. He’s driven by emotion, prone to kneejerk decisions and clearly doesn’t possess the steady hand he himself says we need on the tiller.

For some reason, I doubt God had in mind either of our current political tickets when inspiring the Gospels and other books of the Bible.

It’s so surreal to read conservative comments all over the blogosphere. What’s up is down, what’s down is up. I mean to say that Obama is tanking?? Really? I just haven’t found one article to even suggest that is happening. What universe are these people living in? In fact, everything is topsy turvy with the Conservatives. Palin says she’s cleared of any wrongdoing which is shamefully absurd in light of the truth. McCain lashes out at Congressman Lewis for being a racist by merely pointing out Palin/McCain are playing with fire and stoking division and racism. It’s beyond remarkable — and it’s on almost every issue. Is this what honor looks like? To me, a very likeable McCain has reached into a very dark place to appease 30% of Americans who love nothing more than to hate everything and blame everyone.

Posted by: Barack Obama IS Our next president and Joe Biden is the VP | Oct 15, 2008 12:11:34 PM
Wow! Good thing Liberals believe so strongly in keeping religion (especially Christianity) out of politics.

dottydo – admit it, you were a Clinton supporter who probably forwarded the madrassa e-mails when they came to your computer, right?
If not, I apologize. But that is how you are coming across.

It’s frightening reading some of the stuff on here. If this is indicative of the population, it’s very depressing. A conservative Christian movement that is fading and angry to lose power is not reflective at all of Jesus Christ’s teachings. I’m shocked to think that so many so-called “Christians” are nothing more than bitter, hate mongers. Some of the comments about minorities is more akin to a country I don’t recognize

dotty – Wright was in the examination room when JFK was shot? Huh, hadn’t heard that one before.
I guess that’s a conspiracy in which everyone has been accused at some point of being involved, so why not Wright.
Actually its a conspiracy I do believe – rare for me. But there’s some tangible proof in that Howard Hunt admitted on his death bed that the CIA was involved. He did this on tape for his sons to keep. Hunt even named the hierarchy of CIA agents involved.

dottydo – admit it, you were a Clinton supporter who probably forwarded the madrassa e-mails when they came to your computer, right?
If not, I apologize. But that is how you are coming across.
Posted by: Paul
Apology accepted.
I do not use my email for very much at all.
Put your crystal ball away and don’t practice the fallacy of intent belief.
I want to accept why Obama should be entitled to the office of President, nothing much is really fair in this world, is it?
I want to understand why these questions will not come up later and bog the Nation down with impeachment process, or endless lawsuits over the Constitution which simply defines who can run for President.
If you think about it, Mc Cain was born in Panama….why has Obama never jumped on that one? Google it.
People’s perception at morning coffee,is that it would invite further inspection into his own claims to an American entitlement…
Commander in Chief.
Why hasn’t PRESS vetted these two clowns? instead it is leaving behind voters with so much confusion.

dotty,
I’m Ret. USAF and both my kids were born in Germany while I was stationed there. They both are eligible to be elected POTUS as is McCain since his father was stationed in Panama when McCain was born. He was and still is a Navy BRAT.

SteveNJ
Research it yourself on google…don’t call me a liar.
I simply followed the pop ups down the line and went to tube as well as here.
I opened every site down to an article called Barack Obama,Kenya,his cousin Odinga and Islamic Jihad
This is is a thread about how far it might go….fear not….and go there first.
If I have questions, answer them and don’t assume anything…your crystal ball is full of fog.
Put on your tin foil hat, and climb back under the couch, so the obvious portion of your anatomy is all that is exposed at home, as well as in here.

Amateurs? I think not. Professionals in the ongoing institution of voter fraud tactics perfected over time in two of our older Citites: Chicago and New Orleans, where Acorn’s founder Wade Rathke’s brother is on trial for embezzlement of $1,000,000.00 from ACORN..and what does the National Acorn board say?…Stunned..did not know anything about it until now…Where o ACORN and WHERE O Howard and Where OBINGO are the everyday standard accounting and legal procedures at least at minimum, once a year of AN OUTSIDE INDEPENENDENT AUDIT OF BUDGET AND FUND MANAGEMENT? and Where O Where all of you thieves, crooks and FRAUDS ….were you?
Most importantly, Where are the attorneys to sue for the pulling of ACORN’s CHARTER AS A NON-PROFIT
AT STATE LEVELS AND WHERE OH WHERE ARE THE ATTORNEYS TO SUE FOR THE SAME REGARDING ACORN SO CALLED SUBSIDIARY NON-PROFITS?

Hi Independant Realist,
I am reading one of Obama’s books right now and you are right. It’s a great way to get to know him. What I get from the book so far is how intelligent, introspective and empathetic he is because of his live experiences.
Some say Bush has lived a life void of self examination, which is pretty scary in the leader of the free world. I think Senator Obama is the complete opposite.
McCain and Palin are more of the same.
Obama/Biden 08

dotty,
The wonderful thing about the internet is that you can find ample supporting justification for just about any outlandish position one might have. Just google it and you can make the case for the world really being flat, the moonwalks were filmed in Arizona and the Holocaust was a hoax. Take a controversial position on any subject and as long as credibility isn’t a qualification for your sources, you can dredge up support for it on google.
You’re proof positive that anyone that can type can post on the internet.

McCain can win this debate – if he hires Bill Clinton as his stand in. Only the greatest master of communications could turn this election around for McCain. ……
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/15/can-mccain-win-the-debate/

“….
I worry about Obama and Biden selling America, Iraq and Israel than I worry about Palin.She is the first women running for the office and she will be fine.
…..”
Posted by: dirty setup | Oct 15, 2008 12:10:43 PM
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dirty setup,
Do you Repugs really take pride in your ignorance as Obama says?
Palinn is NOT “first women running for the office”.
Have you ever heard of Geraldine Ferraro?

Steve – I think dirty setup is a Clinton supporter rather than a Republican. Just a hunch. There’s kind of a posting style these folks have in common.
But it must drive these hold-outs crazy to read things like if polls accurately reflect the Democratic support Obama now has, he’ll beat both Gore and Kerry in terms of holding the party base.
Actually I think that’s where a lot of Obama’s recent surge came from. He picked up a lot of older, working class support at McCain’s expense – the so-called Reagan Democrats.

Paul McCain couldn’t win this even if Hillary n Bill were campaigning for him non stop. It’s over except for counting the votes. this is a runaway campaign. What MUST be done is to trounce McCain so the republicans get the picture that we are done done done with their way of theft. We “regulate” the man on the street. You walk out of the bank with your cash, and the cops “regulate” the mugger so you can make it to your car and home. We should “regulate” the theives at HMOs, banks, lenders, wall street as vigorously.

dirty setup: Palin will be fine when she gets back north to Alaska where she can wheel and deal with the bumpkins who she’s overwhelmed these few years. yep, you betcha. I’ve never been so insulted by a politician as I was when Mccain nominated her. Did he really think we would be mesmorized by her winks, and whimsy? Goood God girl, Palin is a dummy!!!!!!! I used to live in Hudson County, N. J. ANY half baked Jersey poll would eat her lunch. Palin is a disgrace to humanity, and women specifically should be outraged by Mccain using her gender to try to get votes. SHAMEFUL

dottydo,
You are a lot dumber than I thought.
So you believe everything you read on the web?
I am sure you believe that the “Big Foot Hoax” was not a hoax. Afteralll it is clearly stated on the web.
You numbskulls make me laugh.
Here is one good one for you.
My dad was an alien from space and my mum an alligator from ther Florida Keys. True this is on the web and when I release this it will be on this blog too. I am sure you can now believe it since you read it on the web>

To Uncle bigboots-
You should channel your anger into something more positive.
I bet you are uneducated the way you carry on.
You don’t matter in the long run.

dotty – I believe the argument isn’t that McCain was born on a military base. Its that he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which was U.S. territory. Its not now, because we gave it back to Panama in the 1970s.

dotty,
The wonderful thing about the internet is that you can find ample supporting justification for just about any outlandish position one might have. Just google it and you can make the case for the world really being flat, the moonwalks were filmed in Arizona and the Holocaust was a hoax. Take a controversial position on any subject and as long as credibility isn’t a qualification for your sources, you can dredge up support for it on google.
You’re proof positive that anyone that can type can post on the internet.
Posted by: Bob
So are you.
Is it your contention that freedom of speech be removed from average Americans?
What is your point?
Many women that supported Hillary were tasked to vet the opponents.
During that long process, there was a lot of evidence that clearly made sense.
I, being average, assumed that Mc Cain’s entry into the military is when he was “sworn into the entitlement of “Naturalized American” and granted a passport to roam around Internationally on lock and load.
I now assume nothing and ask a lot of questions.
Gals like me probably should never have had things they authored, empowered by governors as mandated law manuals of protocal, or NOW resolutions either I take it.
I rarely type by the way.
I do ask a lot of questions that people who are greatly smarter than myself offer no answers to.
I still contend that Press should have been the masters of their own professional powers granted under the Constitution and answer all these confounded questions hanging out there.
Have you seen the evidence provided by the forensic investigator into Obama’s birth certificate in Hawaii?
There was more to the article above.
The Republicans’ argument:
The hospital where McCain was born was on a United States military base and therefore is considered United States territory.
Wrong:
American embassies are considered American soil no matter where they are in the world, not military bases. Otherwise, my sister wouldn’t of had to be sworn in.
The Republicans’ argument:
McCain is a natural born citizen of the United States because both of his parents were citizens of the United States.
Wrong:
So were mine. It didn’t make any difference to the Social Security office and the Department of immigration. My sister was not considered a natural born citizen. However, because both of my parents are United States citizens my sister qualified to become a naturalized citizen and only needed to be sworn in. However, according to the Constitution of the United States, my sister would never be eligible to be president of the United States.
The Republicans’ argument:
From 1907 to 1974 Panama was considered a United States territory.
Wrong:
We tried to make Panama a United States territory around 1907. We signed off on it and so did the Panamanians. Unfortunately, Columbia considered Panama part of their territory and never signed the agreement. Instead, we rented the land from the Panamanians for $10 million upfront and $250,000 per year. In exchange we had access to the canal and 5 miles in each direction.
We didn’t own the house, we rented it from our landlords the Panamanians. Granted we had great rent control, but the land McCain was born on was the possession of the Panamanians. McCain is not a natural born American citizen. He’s not even a naturalized United States citizen until he gets sworn in like any other naturalized citizen. Until then, McCain is a Panamanian.
The Republicans’ argument:
There is no evidence which says the canal area of Panama wasn’t United States territory. The resolution we signed with Panama is not specific enough, and until it is McCain is considered a natural born United States citizen.
Wrong:
There may not be specific contractual evidence as to the sovereignty of Panama, but there is precedent. When we left Panama in 1974, President Jimmy Carter gave a speech which referred to, and acknowledged that the Navy base in Panama was Panamanian territory. And Carter wasn’t the only one. From 1907 to 1974 many presidents made references to the fact that Panama wasn’t part of the United States or its territories. Even our Supreme Court on several occasions repeatedly acknowledged the sovereignty of Panama over the canal zone.
The Republicans’ argument:
Upon Senator McCain’s request the Senate passed a resolution stating that McCain is a natural born United States citizen.
Wrong:
A resolution cannot change what’s in the Constitution, therefore it’s a nonbonding resolution and ain’t worth the paper it’s written on. While you’re at it, consider this, why would McCain and his friends go through the trouble of putting together a resolution if there were no questions about his citizenship. Our Constitution is quite clear when it says ‘you must be a natural born United States citizen if you want to run for and hold the office of the president of the United States. Which means, you must be born in the United States.
The Republicans’ argument:
There have been presidents and vice-presidents in history that were born in American territories that were not part of the U.S. For example; President Barry Goldwater was born in the territory of Arizona before Arizona became part of the United States.
Wrong:
This is not McCain’s situation. Panama never became part of the United States. It’s not even part of North America.
The Republicans’ argument: (snip)

darryl–It was reported on Fox news this morning too. A registered Republican had a $2300 charge on their statement and when they called Obama campaign to complain they were asked if they would please reconsider calling the credit company to get it taken off. Seems like the big money the Obama campaign has taken in is all smoke and mirrors.

dottydo–Seriously, you need to find something else to complain about. You really do not want to bring up McCain’s citizenship, when we are still waiting for Obama to produce his birth certificate.
The Canal Zone in the Panama Canal was United States territory from 1903-1979. There were 3,000 U.S. civilians residing there. McCain was born on a U.S. Naval base. In 1953, Title 8, Sec 1403 grants citizenship to all of those born in Canal Zone when at least one parent is a U.S. citizen.
Incidentally, Phil Berg, who is a democratic lawyer, is the one with a lawsuit demanding that Obama give proof that he is a U.S. citizen. Seems that there is a birth certificate filed in Kenya with the name Barack Hussein Obama, Jr with Obama’s birth date. His “supposed” birth certificate was filed in Hawaii 4 days after his birth.

darryl: “The polls are the ridiculous efforts of the liberal media to brainwash conservative Americans…”
Since we’ve become conspiracy theory central, I’d just like to give big Sarah Palin shout-out to our Libertarian friends, who believe the constitutional amendment allowing the federal government to collect income taxes wasn’t constitutionally approved.

Paul,
It’s a bobsledding team competing with Jamaica. Not soccer and besides, soccer players can’t be POTUS.
I think I’m going to consult with dotty dotty from now on…she justs asks them questions all the time that smart people don’t answer. I’m feeling so much more secure now. Probably can lower my xanax dosage.

darryl–The MSM is not taking into account the “Bradley effect” and also the Hillary supporters. I was part of the Operation Chaos who voted for her and they listed me as a democrat. The media is counting that as the “high number of democratic voters” this year.
You’re right, undecided voters are going to chose the lesser of the two evils. They messed up when they pushed Hillary out of the race because there are a lot of Hillary for president 2012 websites and her supporters will be voting for McCain so that Hillary can run in the next election.

Bob: “…besides, soccer players can’t be POTUS.”
Hey. What’s with the soccer bashing?

True American-
Obama hates Hillary so much, he chose Biden as VP, even though everyone knows, Hillary would have put him in the Whitehouse.
On November 5, history will show it as the biggest politcal blunder of all time.
Obama’s star will fade faster than anyone can imagine. He will be like Kerry and Gore – Put out to pasture as a complete failure never to be heard from again.
In fact, he wont even win relection as a Senator in Illinios.
You watch!

Okay, open vote – what’s everybody’s favorite conspiracy theory?
I’m kind of partial to the JFK assassination.
Posted by: Paul
Why don’t you believe that Wright could be a staunch American?
His dis on Obama seems credible to me.
He was the Doc for Presidents.
From the transcripts of Bill Moyers pbs
BILL MOYERS: He served six years in the military: two as a marine, and four in the Navy as a cardiopulmonary technician. That’s where our paths crossed for the only time.
That’s Jeremiah Wright, behind the I.V. pole, monitoring President Lyndon Johnson’s heart as he was recovering from gall bladder surgery at Bethesda Naval Hospital. And right behind him is a very young me. I was the President’s Press Secretary.
REVEREND WRIGHT: As you know, the President had to be operated on and out of surgery by 9:00 when the stock market opened. And talking and wide awake. So, we scrubbed in, like, 3:00 in the morning.
When he awakened, unlike other patients, you did not move him to recovery. You didn’t move him to ICU. They kept him right there for security reasons. Secret Service all around, there was secret service in the whole operating suite and nobody else allowed in the operating suite except Secret Service.
So, after about an hour and a half, I went to get some coffee. And as I was coming back from the lounge where the coffee was, going back to monitor, I saw the guys talkin’ into their wristwatches and I was nodding, speaking to them. So, I turn to go into the room to check the pace. And secret service guys standing there grabbed me, knocked the coffee outta my hand, burned me with the hot coffee, twisted my arm up behind my neck and screams into his phone, “I got him.” And I was, “Got him?” And I’m screamin’ in pain. And my assistant comes running out of the booth. He sees me jacked up and he starts laughing. I said, “Joe, don’t laugh. Tell him who I am.” And he said, “He’s been here all morning.”
BILL MOYERS: Standing above the President.
REVEREND WRIGHT: Guy looked at me, pulled my mask up over face, “Oh, yeah.” And that was it.

darryl, sounds like you’re describing Palin’s political future, not Obamas.
Wooten and Monegan are gonna split the Lake Lucille house and play poker for the plane.

dotty: “Why don’t you believe that Wright could be a staunch American?”
Um, didn’t know that’s what we were talking about.
Did you mean to say staunch un-American or something like that?

Bob – its a social event here, too. Just not one that most participate in.
But hey, get out and kick around a ball or lie on the couch and watch wrestling? Tough call.
My son’s friend just Saturday went to see the U.S. national team play Cuba, and Landon Donovan hands him his jersey as he’s leaving the field.
So that’s my claim to fame. I fathered a kid who knows a kid who got Donovan’s jersey.

darryl – yeah, maybe if you guys make the guilt by association attack just one more time, it will work. Good plan.

darryl: I can assume with a fair bit of accuracy that Paul meant to type, “a big Sarah Palin shout-out.” “Fairness” has nothing to do with his commentary. Likewise, the language in your own comment, “The polls are the ridiculous efforts of the liberal media to brainwash conservative Americans,” simply serves to display your own level of bias (effectively making your argument weak and baseless). Allow me to make another assumption: if the polls were in your favor, you would utilize the numbers relentlessly. If McCain held a 10+ point lead, would you still consider them “ridiculous?” This question is purely rhetorical; introspection might be useful to you right now.
Let’s drop the birth certificate argument. I understand how some people feed on controversy and scandal, but aren’t you tired yet of having your thoughts and feelings manipulated. To assume Obama successfully conspired his way into elected office (and soon the White House) by outsmarting (over many decades) the very government agencies that were created to safeguard this is nonsensical, ingenious, and outright slaps America (and what it stands for) across the face.

darryl from indy,
I agree retard wright is worse than ayers

Instead of character assassination and baseless guilt-by-association claims (both candidates), how about we focus on policy issues?
Darryl: For starters, what don’t you like about Obama’s economic plan compared with McCain’s?
I understand it is easier to demonize and give in to our innate sense of distrust, but call me crazy for wanting something different.

A different Paul-
Fair question. And by the way, I just like to rattle cages for spirited debate.
We are all Americans who want a better country for our children and ourselves for that matter.
Obama’s economic plan changes everytime I hear it. Did you hear about the Plumber exchange??? Obama lost votes not only from the Plumber, but every undecided small business owner who saw it.

Instead of character assassination and baseless guilt-by-association claims (both candidates), how about we focus on policy issues?
Darryl: For starters, what don’t you like about Obama’s economic plan compared with McCain’s?
I understand it is easier to demonize and give in to our innate sense of distrust, but call me crazy for wanting something different.
Posted by: A Different Paul | Oct 15, 2008 2:55:57 PM
I think th eproblem with Obamas policy is that.Corporations dont pay taxes consumers do!

Paul,
nice chattin with ya…gotta run. keep riding herd on the wingnuts here. Maybe see ya later.

Umm. Corporations do pay taxes; so do consumers. In order for a company to remain viable–and perserve the jobs of their employees–the effects of said tax might indeed reach the consumer (if this indeed is what you were getting at). Is anyone aware of how each respective plan will affect job growth?

darly from Indy,
Plumbers?????
We don’t need no stinking plumbers !!!!
is a good point.
Wright is a military doctor who attended to Presidents….he served to be able to speak nutty and freely.
Ayers did not, however, he is not in the sweep of the Homeland defense zar either. Thus my question….why is there a problem if Bush and all the Presidents men do not see one?
Why is the use of taxpayer money by Obama to campaign openly for a candidate in Kenya overlooked?
Can it be there was no problem?
I tend to think that the feds will pop out of the walls and make the next elected guy face some music,answer the questions, if this is still the USA.
Did Bush fall off the planet?
No.
Bush called the two apes we have to pick from into the oval office and said dance, they came out with their clown acts dancing like puppets didn’t they?
Hard to dis Bush in the end isn’t it?

darryl: “I really disagree with your church comment. I think your Catholic church is another exception. Most mainstream Churches do not discuss politics during sermons.”
You really believe that? I’ve seen it in three out of three Catholic parishes, and I’ve heard that a bunch of evangelical pastors were doing it so blatantly this year they were trying to force a legal case. They even called the media to say they were going to do it – which is how I heard about it. That was a story about two or three weeks ago.

In fact, darryl, the Moral Majority used to make these ‘voter guides’ for distribution in churches. I saw those, two, though the relationship between the Moral Majority and Catholic Church was never a strong one.
Anyway, those stopped being produced after yet another IRS threat to take away tax exemptions.

dotty: “Why don’t you believe that Wright could be a staunch American?”
Um, didn’t know that’s what we were talking about.
Did you mean to say staunch un-American or something like that?
Posted by: Paul
Paul paul paul,
Put away your crystal ball.
I came in to ask about evidence of merit, and what voters are reading on the net.
Obama thumbed his nose at Mc Cain over his far superior computer savy, yet in spite of a sleepy Press, these questions are being asked and answered regarding both candidates on the net.
More is out about Obama and dirty business, than Mc Cain. Both face a question about their Constitutional right to run as Commander in Chief.
Do you suppose that is why neither pose the question?

Paul, you libs seem the say and think that you and Obama have ran a complete positive campaign, LOL. That says it all. The Obama smear campaign started in the Democratic primaries. Everyone attacked each other on experience and policy issues, but when ever Obama was attacked on polices and issues, It was always called a smear or racist attack. You Obama supporters are little whiny hypocrites. You can dish-it, but you can’t take it. Get a life, the Obama campaign and supporters are full of false hopes and LIES, with no acceptance of personal responsibility. And don’t even talk about the polls, because other than Rasmussen and Zogby, they all lean far left polling in large measures, 35% more democrats on each poll issued. Now if that’s not biased in your eyes, you just gave everybody a perfect reason for you’re acceptance of lies and blind following with hatred of the actual truth. McCain is only down 4 to 5 points with 3weeks left, the game is on now, and we are really going to see the anger and hatred from you leftist, not that we haven’t seen it yet because we have, but it will be worse. The Obama jello plan has never yet set up yet, and never will.
McCain/Palin 2008 Country First!
McCain/Palin 2008 Country First!!
McCAIN/PALIN 2008 COUNTRY FIRST!!!

“For 20 years, Barack Obama sat in the pews, even brought his family, as Wright preached hate. Obama never said a word, until he was caught. Then he defended Wright. Barack Obama: Divisive. Dishonest. Dangerous.”
Wright, a fiery pastor who established one of the most powerful churches in Chicago until his retirement earlier this year, is credited by Obama for bringing him back to his Christian roots. But the Democratic candidate left Trinity United Church of Christ after 20 years in the spring after videotapes surfaced showing Wright’s angry and provocative criticism of America’s foreign policy and its history of oppressing minorities.
Obama loves him and values very much what he spews.
That is just the kind of change America needs.

In case some of you forgot how vile Rev. Wright is, let me remind you.
“God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme,” Wright railed in one of his sermons.
“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye. … America’s chickens are coming home to roost,” Wright once said.
And to think our next POTENTIAL President subscribed to this rhetoric and even tithed to this church.
Can you imagine Bush sitting in on sermons like this?
I dont think so.

Someone forged my name, and I’m pissed!
McCain/Palin 2008 Country First!
No, they would not adopt a white child, and they would not give it a chance to think for itself, the kid would be indoctrinated.

darryl from indy,
Why would the Homeland defense zar under Bush ignore this toxic Rev Wright?
Maybe if you google Bill Moyer Rev. Wright PBS you might read an answer.
How could this military surgeon who attended Presidents during trauma and surgery say such a thing?
Wright dissed Obama didn’t he?

You know what would be nice for tonight debate..if Obama and McCain were hooked up to electrodes and everytime one of them said someting about the other that was not true…they would get a nice shock, so the Ameerican people could really know the truth.
Its hard to tell who is full of crap anymore.

A Different Paul ,
Do you think what I said is true or not
Posted by: A Different Paul | Oct 15, 2008 3:10:33 PM
Yes that is what I am getting at we past our cost directly on to consumers and that why many corporations leave or manufacture overseas.

Wright, Rezko, Ayres, these associations do matter to most Americans.But Obamas wealth redistibution plan has all the parasites, mooches, and bums salivating like Pavlov’s dog.Change you can believe in.

Mickey Mouse,
That name in every precint in every State, sure seems like more than someone had it in for you.
Do mice like Acorns or is that just the food of squirrley types?
If a white child is endoctrinated to hate whites, wouldn’t that mean the mother has an agenda?
I want to talk about Cindy and Michelle a little more,because of the anger Obama’s wife has.
Vera Baker almost meant there wouldn’t be an Obama on the ticket.
Remember Kerry had his wife the Heinz heiress to contend with.
I asked a lawn crew once why they were washing their fast food hamburgers off under the garden hose, and throwing the bread with catsup mustard pickles away.I wondered if it was political.
They said it wasn’t because of politics,it was because the factory workers were mistreated and unpaid by Terry in Mexico, so they didn’t trust who left what in it from their hometown town down there.
Needless to say, I am now careful to never order at a restaurant they pre dresses the food whith Heaven knows what.
So who is the electible first lady in your mind?
Why?
The woman is usually a reflection of the man.

The liberal biased media does not report comments made at Obama rallies, their mikes are purposely positioned away from audience interference, and is also toned down to drown out background interference, which is also what happens at concerts(hello!).
What about the sexist shirts about Palin Obama supporters wear, etc…
Actions also speak louder than just words, which is also Obama’s problem.
It’s amazing how the left thinks all racism comes from just the right. I partied alot when I was younger with all sorts of different people of race, and it’s just my experience that most racism comes from minorities of color.
I have black and Hispanic family members and friends, and it’s funny, the one’s who don’t have hatred towards white people, are not the racist. The racist are the one’s who speak hate, and don’t won’t to be around whites at all.
And yes, there are white racist, so what, there are black racist, Hispanic racist, etc… What the hell, grow up, get over it! I wonder how many racist on the democratic side are voting Obama! Give me a break!

People who “cling” to Rev Wright had no plan on voting for Obama…. is probably a fair assessment.

Give me an instance of when someone at an Obama/Biden rally shouted out, “kill him,” “Off with this head,” and my favorite, “Ni**er!” It seems to me that the “hate” and “anger” you mention is not as well documented on the “lib” side of things. Good research.
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The guy who spoke thinking the mike was off…..the rainbow coalition guy…do you in the party remember his name… or is it selective memory these days?
Jessie Jackson ring any bells for ya?

According to the movie documentary Obama effect the Hype
the neighborhood Obama helped, has not changed a single bit.
I asked earlier about the validity Dems found in it’s content, but no one made any comment.
They all seemed to run out of the thread.

TIME FOR A RADICAL CHANGE IN THE ELECTORAL PROCESS
Taxpayers deserve independent representation with teeth. NOT suppliant gofers taking orders from special interests.
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/10/electoral-process-urgent-change-is.html
Will either debater raise this? Not likely.

My biggest problem with both of these candidates when they discuss their health plan is that they are only focused on getting everybody health insurance, but let me tell you that having health coverage these days isn’t all that great. I have health insurace, a PPO, which is a good plan and there are many ailments that just aren’t covered. Common proceedures aren’t covered like spinal lazer surgery to repair herniated discs, nasal surgery to repair nasal cavity to increase air flow (having trouble breathing), jaw muscles disorders are denyed treatment from health insurance and dental. The things that these insurance companies selectively choose to cover or not to cover needs to be regulated more closely to ensure that we get proper coverage or having insurance is worthless.

Forget McCain and Democracy and fair voting, terrorists, crooks and all that other stuff.
I’m voting for Obama because I want that FREE MONEY, bra! Woo hoo! FREE MONEY bubbling up from the ground! That’s what I’m talkin’ about there, Vern.
Maybe then I can buy some primo weed and European white wine (you know, the GOOD stuff, not that American crap) to partake of while enjoying Michael Moore documentaries.
“Happy days are here again, the skies above are clear again”….FDR #2 has been cloned! We will have another Robin Hood in Washington and we, like our parents and grandparents we will be able to enjoy fireside chats through a decade of Depression! I’m stoked! Who needs a time machine when we have Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd and (drum roll please) the GSE master(bater) Barney Frank to bring us back to the good ol’ days of D.C. social programs.
Hey, maybe these Hollywood actors can get some work through the WPA?
One thing worries me, though…if 95% of us won’t have to pay hardly any taxes, does that mean rich folks are the only ones who will be Patriotic?
Ah, the heck with Patriotism…overrated anyway…FREE MONEY from the government!
Sen. Government/Biden/ACORN ’08
“Vote early, vote often”