The Note: McCain Down But Not Out
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports in Friday’s Note:
Let’s hope Joe the Plumber doesn’t charge by the minute — the 15th can be the roughest.
Maybe John McCain’s last great comeback isn’t possible. Maybe it’s only possible on the back of a plumber from Ohio (albeit one who could have used some vetting).
Maybe it’s only possible with a plumber plus an ACORN plus an apology plus an “SNL” appearance plus a whole bunch of nasty things still to be said about Barack Obama.
But as the race moves to a (bluer) map, the fact is that a McCain comeback is still possible, all the signs to the contrary notwithstanding. Outgunned on the air and the ground, in difficult (shrinking) terrain, there may yet be room for one final storyline that casts McCain like he remembers so fondly.
If he wins, he’ll be eking it out: “Top aides to Senator John McCain said Thursday that they were searching for a ‘narrow-victory scenario’ and would focus in the final weeks on a dwindling number of states, using mailings, telephone calls and television advertisements to try to tear away support from Senator Barack Obama,” Adam Nagourney and Jim Rutenberg write in The New York Times.
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“Mr. Obama’s advisers said they would use the remaining 19 days of the campaign to focus mainly on capturing states that President Bush won in 2004; he is going to Missouri, North Carolina and Virginia, over the next three days and spending two days in Florida next week,” they write. “In a sign of the differing fortunes of the candidates, advisers to Mr. Obama said he was escalating his effort in West Virginia, which Mr. Bush won by 13 points in 2004, with a surge in advertising spending and a campaign swing there in the coming days by Mr. Obama or his running mate, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr.”
Karl Rove charts the strategy: “Mr. McCain is shaping a story line that draws on well-founded concerns about Mr. Obama’s lack of record or experience,” Rove writes in his Wall Street Journal column. “Mr. McCain is also bowing to reality and devoting most of his time to the economy. His narrative is he’s the conservative reformer who’ll lead and work hard to get things done, while Mr. Obama is the tax-and-spend liberal who’s unprepared to lead and unwilling to act.”
The itinerary: “[McCain’s] campaign understands the dire circumstances it faces and is narrowing his travels almost exclusively to Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, Missouri, Colorado and Nevada. If he carries those states, while losing only Iowa and New Mexico from the GOP’s 2004 total, Mr. McCain will carry 274 Electoral College votes and the White House. It’s threading the needle, but it’s come to that.”
Defense is what’s left of his offense: “The latest polls show Obama ahead in Virginia and Florida. McCain and Obama are effectively tied in Missouri and North Carolina,” ABC’s Ron Claiborne reports. “This has forced McCain to play defense in these states with less than three weeks to go instead of being in blue states that his campaign has targeted, such as New Hampshire, Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota.”
“Absent his ability to pick off any state won by the Democrats four years ago, he must prevent Obama from winning any of half a dozen Republican states that now appear vulnerable,” Dan Balz and Shailagh Murray write in The Washington Post. “McCain’s campaign and the RNC still point to Pennsylvania and, to a lesser extent, New Hampshire as potential pickups. But McCain has so many red states to defend that he may not have either the time or the money to convert Democratic turf.”
But is it too late for state-by-state hopes, given Obama’s financial edge? “He’s too far in the hole,” said Mike Murphy, a former McCain adviser. “He has to move the whole country his way to get back in the game, and at that point the North Carolina-type problems will fade and he will be back in battle in places like Colorado, Ohio, New Hampshire and Nevada.”
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Posted by: Mike | October 17, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
I think McCain still has a slim shot at this thing.
Obama isn’t being well served by his party. Biden is polishing his golf game, Clinton is already calling the nominee President Obama, Murtha is insulting an entire region of a swing state, Lewis is bringing up awkward comparisons, Tom Moran last night on TV was declaring the race over.
I can see why Obama is the Democratic nominee. He seems to be the only one in the party with any sense.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
But, um, he’s going to red states who never liked “old john mccain”.
Posted by: bubba | October 17, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
Why is ABC and all the other news outlet, excepting FOX, not reporting on the ex-FBI agents outrage on the Obama-Ayers connection? The people should research this story. It is quite interesting.
Posted by: lp | October 17, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
I hope McCain does not have one more story line left. I’m tired of his stories! I want policy, not narrative.
So ditch Joe the (unlicensed) Plumber please!!!!
Just put your idea up against Obama and let us decide.
Posted by: Greg | October 17, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Well, they just discovered actual voter FRAUD occurred here in my home state of New Mexico during the June primary election here.
Not registration fraud, actual voter fraud.
There were 28 fraudulent votes, mostly absentee, cast during the June primary in one state congressional district in Albuquerque.
Most of the fraudulent voters, you guessed it, were registered by ACORN.
Posted by: Lee | October 17, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Martin Nesbitt, the treasurer of Obama’s campaign, has tax liens. So do his companies.
You’d think that matters more than the tax liens of Joe the Plumber, wouldn’t you? But good luck finding a Big Media story about Nesbitt’s liens.
http://webofdeception.com/obama.html#nesbitt
Posted by: Forget Joe, I got your Tax Liens right here, pal | October 17, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
we should all leave Joe the non-plumber alone as pointed out on FOX (shepard Smith) he can’t buy the business in this lifetime and really makes $40.thousand a year and would benefit from Obamas plan……move on
Posted by: votor | October 17, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am
If tax liens are such an indicator of character and trustworthiness, wouldn’t it have more significance for the treasurer of a presidential campaign than for a man who just asked a question of the candidate? If the national media has such an interest in investigating a plumber who made a couple of national appearances, why wouldn’t they have at least the same interest in the people running a major party presidential campaign? Of course not. The same people who instruct us that Barack Obama’s 20-year membership in Jeremiah Wright’s church while Wright called 9/11 “chickens coming home to roost” now interrogate Joe the Plumber on national TV about his brief flirtation with the Natural Law Party.
Because, you know, associations matter when choosing a plumber, but apparently not when choosing a President.
Posted by: Taxes for Thee, but not for Me | October 17, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am
Cynics Reporting:
Errr, Uhm, could you please explain why you haven’t reported on the western PA report that Obama pals around with biracial unidentified objects that we heard flew directly in from the white hating planet Blackery. Hee Hee
You cynics are just praying to your OUIJI BOARDS with your biracial voodoo dolls lead by Palin the parrot’s pastor, huh?
NOTE TO BRAIN: McChicken doesn’t have a porkchop’s chance in a piranha tank of even getting 200 electoral votes. Suffice to say, POTUS is not on his achievable goals list.
POTUS OBAMA – 18 DAYS, IT’S A LOCK!
Posted by: Nat Turner | October 17, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Voter fraud is despicable, regardless of who doe it. Did these votes sway the actual election of a candidate, however? Were they counted and did it affect the outcome of the election? And, please stop with Joe The Plumber? Now we have been reduced to voting for the POTUS based on some “less than forthright” guy on what his taxpayer position is. No one likes paying taxes, but we do it because it’s the law, and that is how our government functions (not too efficiently though, I might add).
Posted by: geecee | October 17, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Yes, by all means release any and all information about Joe the Plumber, but nothing at all about the actual candidate and his campaign.
Posted by: Lee | October 17, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
Of course the fraudulent votes were counted. This occurred during the June primary election. Election results were canvassed and verified months ago.
I don’t imagine that 28 votes changed the outcome, but is that really the point?
Posted by: Lee | October 17, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
White Supremecy’s execution is scheduled for November 4th 2008.
WS is currently on its deathbed with immediate family members “Oppression”, “Cynicism”, “Racism” standing by the bed balling their little eyes out. Nephews and nieces denial and pessimism can stand to be in the room as they have had nervous breakdowns and are heavily medicated.
POTUS OBAMA – 18 Days Left for White Supremecy
Posted by: Nat Turner | October 17, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
McCain is the one who exploited Joe the plumber from his comfortable rich seat at the debate, he was not being personally investigated before that by the media.
It may have been a photo op but at least Obama was knocking on average votors doors when he came upon Joe the plumber.
Posted by: votor | October 17, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
Voter suppression, it’s the Republican way!
Posted by: Uncle Sam | October 17, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
Nat Turner,
White Supremecy you guys kill me!
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 17, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
Voter suppression, it’s the Republican way!
Posted by: Uncle Sam | Oct 17, 2008 9:35:25 AM
suppression of fake voters
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 17, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
This appeared on NBC Investigates this morning:
“A company that ships oil into Iraq for use by American forces there “appears to have engaged in a reprehensible form of war profiteering,” according to a letter by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Cal., Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. The company, International Oil Trading Limited, is run by Florida-based businessman Harry Sargeant, a top fundraiser for the presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.”
Now, is this more or less serious than “tax liens”, which will get paid when someone attempts to sell their property.
Posted by: geecee | October 17, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Lee, Wow 28 in the whole state of NM there’s breaking news? and I guess we are to take as fact that these acts were perpetrated by democrats, even though McCain himself spoke at a an ACORN conference?
Posted by: rick | October 17, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?
We wont.
Posted by: PulSamsara | October 17, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
ACORN? Ayers? If that’s the best you McCainer’s have, then listen very carefully, THUD, THUD, THUD, that’s the sound of the dead horse you are beating and no matter how much you beat it, it’s still a dead horse.
If that’s the best you can do, you might as well pack it up and get back under the porch.
Posted by: Uncle Sam | October 17, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
No. Obama is the one who needs some vetting. Using Gestapo like tactics against Joe the plumber for asking a question is a frightening disgusting implication of Obama Thugcracy and the media.
Posted by: geevill | October 17, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
The point is not the number of votes, or which party. The point is voter fraud occurred.
It is illegal, so it would be news.
Take it whatever way you want.
Posted by: Lee | October 17, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
As usual Mc Cain makes a big deal on something that is not true…S. Palin did not sell the plane on e-bay and Joe the plumber is not a licensed plumber and owes back taxes. No wonder Joe is looking for a rebate…he probably wants to pay his back taxes with the rebate he gets from Obama. Mc Cain should do a fact check before he makes a hero out of someone. Oh, I forgot …he can’t use a computer.
Posted by: Pat Napolitano Marietta. Ga. | October 17, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Please .. the fraud was conducted in 2000 by the Bush campaign. Somewhere, in a swamp in Florida, lies mouldering boxes of votes.
Posted by: Frank | October 17, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
As usual Mc Cain makes a big deal on something that is not true…S. Palin did not sell the plane on e-bay and Joe the plumber is not a licensed plumber and owes back taxes. No wonder Joe is looking for a rebate…he probably wants to pay his back taxes with the rebate he gets from Obama. Mc Cain should do a fact check before he makes a hero out of someone. Oh, I forgot …he can’t use a computer.
Posted by: Pat Napolitano Marietta. Ga. | Oct 17, 2008 10:05:52 AM
No one said she sold the plane on ebay she said she put it up on ebay which is true maybe that is the problem with obamanation they dont understand english or what someone says.
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 17, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Joe Wurzelbacher, heretic has offended The One.
Joe Biden (Joe Six-Term) as is so often the case, twisted the facts about Wurzelbacher. No surprise there. Slick Joe Biden is the one who tells fables about visiting a diner in Delaware that hasn’t been open in years; spins yarns about getting “forced down” in a helicopter over Afghanistan because of perilous conditions that turned out to be weather related, not al-Qaida related; and continues to slander the family of the man involved in his wife and daughter’s fatal car accident (crash investigators cleared the now-deceased driver of drunk driving, despite Biden’s insinuations).
Wurzelbacher never claimed to be making $250,000 a year. He told Obama that he might be “getting ready to buy a company that makes about $250,000, $270,000” a year. His simple point was that Obama’s punitive tax proposals would make it more difficult to realize his dream.
Posted by: The Left Must Crush Joe The Plumber | October 17, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Nat Turner: “POTUS OBAMA – 18 DAYS, IT’S A LOCK!”
I just read at the Dewey Presidential Library that nothing is ever a lock.
Seriously, this last 18 days is shaping up badly for both parties. Democrats are gloating and Republicans are falling into even greater depths of faux indignation and personal smears.
Rep Moran was on Hardball last night actually declaring the race over. And the McCain campaign is using Ayers in its closing argument robo-calls in at least eight states.
This is looking like a contest to see which party can more effectively lose an election.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Let me get this straight. A couple of agitated yahoos in a rally of thousands yell something offensive and incendiary, and John McCain and Sarah Palin are not just guilty by association — with total strangers, mind you — but worse: guilty according to the New York Times of “race-baiting and xenophobia.”
However, should you bring up Barack Obama’s real associations — 20 years with Jeremiah Wright, working on two foundations and distributing money with William Ayers, citing the raving Michael Pfleger as one who helps him keep his moral compass (Chicago Sun-Times, April 2004) and the long-standing relationship with the left-wing vote-fraud specialist ACORN – then you have crossed the line into illegitimate guilt by association. Moreover, you are a Racist.
The fact that, when John McCain actually heard one of those nasty things said about Obama, he incurred the boos of his OWN CROWD by insisting that Obama is “a decent person . . . that you do not have to be scared [of] as president” makes no difference. It surely did not stop John Lewis from comparing McCain to George Wallace.
So remember:
Obama = Jesus
McCain = Hitler
Posted by: Left Unwraps a New Pack of Race Cards to Play Before Election | October 17, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
The left must…: “Wurzelbacher never claimed to be making $250,000 a year. He told Obama that he might be ‘getting ready to buy a company that makes about $250,000, $270,000′ a year. His simple point was that Obama’s punitive tax proposals would make it more difficult to realize his dream.”
He might believe that, because of mischaracterizations of Obama’s tax plan by the McCain campaign.
But if Joe was seriously considering buying this business, he also needs to seriously look at the tax implications. And if he does, he’ll realize that the McCain spin is pretty ridiculous.
Let’s say Joe does make $250,000 exactly in profits, even after paying off the loan he’d need to buy the business and all other operating expenses. If he makes that exact amount, he’d pay the exact same taxes as he would under the current massive Bush tax cuts. Exact same.
If he makes $270,000 in profits, then $20k would be taxed at the higher rate proposed by Obama – 3 percent higher. That’s an additional $600 in taxes, if Joe makes the high end of his estimate.
Sorry, but I just don’t think that an extra $600 is significant to a guy taking $270,000 out of his business every year.
And if Joe thinks it is significant, he can always keep money in the business, thus reducing his personal profit. He can hire an employee, or buy a new van, or upgrade his tools, or advertise, or whatever… to get his income under a quarter million.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Left unwraps – yes, McCain did correct a woman who called Obama an Arab, and did tell his supporters they don’t have anything to fear from an Obama presidency.
We all saw it, because it was news – because it was different than what had been happening before.
McCain says there will always be “fringe peoples” at a rally that large. Okay, may be true.
But when death wishes are yelled by the crowd, you don’t recognize that as something out of the ordinary?
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
A comeback is possible for McCain. If he can narrow the race in Ohio and Florida, he has a real shot to get back into this thing. It is likely that both states will be decided by 5 points or less and it all depends on the turnout operations. McCain has had a good start to the final phase of the campaign following the 3rd debate. Obama will need to step up his campaign schedule. I think he needs to be doing 2-3 events per day to keep the pressure on, and match McCain’s desperate intensity.
It reminds me a bit of Dole v. Clinton, where Dole was everywhere in the last 2 weeks and Clinton struggled to keep up with him.
Obama is still in the driver’s seat; he just has to do a better job of acting like this thing isn’t over.
Posted by: Khyber Jones | October 17, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Paul,
Maybe I am wrong but if he gets taxed at 36% now and makes 250,000 that is 90,000 dollars if he makes 250000 under obamas plan 39% would be 97,500 would it not???
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 17, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Khyber – I agree, and McCain would need both Ohio and Florida to go his way to pull it off.
However, he’s also given Obama a lot of ammunition to use in those states.
McCain said he wants to cut $1.3 trillion out of Medicare. To a lot of seniors, Medicare is more of a third rail than Social Security.
I saw an article saying Obama has the ads up today, and I didn’t bother to catch the reports of where. We can guess. Those ads are most likely running in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and maybe even West Virginia.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
reddog – the first $250k is taxed under the lower rate. Only the amounts over that are taxed at the higher rate.
Its the way our progressive tax rates have always worked, I believe. I know they are that way now. And its what Obama explained to Joe during their conversation.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
What barack explained makes no sense to me.Lets say I make 35,000 a year my tax is 10% for argument sake if I make 100,000 i get taxed 36% of all of it not 10% of the first 35,000 etc..?
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 17, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
In other words, reddog, if Joe makes $250,001, he’d pay 3 cents more in taxes under Obama’s plan.
Yesterday I was posting a lot about how small business owners have always manipulated their income to get into lower tax brackets.
I could have added that the small business owners who kept around-the-calendar accounting services have also always been advised that dogmatically trying to get oneself completely into a lower bracket can get a little silly.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
reddog – your taxes now are calculated so the first x amount is taxed at the lowest rates, the next x amount is taxed at the next lowest rates… etc.
If you have any doubt, look at your own 2007 returns. Look at the amount of taxes you owe on the adjusted income, and get out a calculator. The percentage of the total will be lower than the percentage prescribed by the tax bracket your top amount enters.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Let’s see, we’re supposed to feel sorry for Joe the Plumber because the media is picking on him? Give me a break. McCain is the guy who made Joe a cause celeb, not just during the debate but continuing on the next day. Now we find out the guy owes back taxes, is not a licensed plumber, and has never made anywhere near $250,000 per year? I have never missed paying MY taxes, and on time. Tell me why this guy gets a pass. One more case of McCain’s legendary poor judgment. He did not bother vetting the guy first before he made him a celebrity.
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 17, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
And here’s another thing to consider, reddog. It flies in the face of what Republicans consider a truism, so brace yourself.
Higher taxes on small business owners actually promote economic growth, rather than stifle it.
The reason is that small business owners will have an incentive to not cash out – keep resources invested in the company, which leads to growth of the company. That incentive is created by wanting to lower their amount of take home profits – so they don’t get taxed on them.
The Bush and McCain approach to taxing these small business owners actually provides an incentive to take cash out of the business. In other words, when taxes are lowered, there is an incentive to grow the business more slowly for the immediate benefit of lifestyle improvements.
To put it most simply, why invest as much in new tools or even new employees when you won’t be penalized for grabbing profits now and joining the local country club?
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
William J. LePetomaine,
A) You dont have to be Licensed Plumber to work as a Plumber you can work for someone who holds a License.
B) No one said he was making 250,000
C)Good for you paying on time maybe you can convince vice chaiman rangel to pay his on time as well!
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 17, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Mr. Mike “Sour Grapes” Murphy – what a source!
Posted by: expatriot | October 17, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
William J. LePetomaine – actually I do feel for Joe. Whether you want to blame McCain for bringing him up so much at the debate or blame someone else, all Joe did was have a conversation with a presidential candidate and question one of that candidate’s proposals.
His fame or infamy took off from there.
And, sure, in reality he probably isn’t in position to buy any company that can make $250k in profits. A company like that would sell for millions, and making the money he does, its a reach to imagine him getting that loan.
But the fact that he’s thinking about exploring the possibility just means he’s like other potential business owners out there, wondering how he can work for himself. He doesn’t deserve ridicule for it.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
Paul,
That part I agree with investing back in your buissness.I think the problems come in That he set a figure today that I really dont trust.He should not dictate how or where I spend my sucsess .Nobody gave me a free education.Why now it is a right???I pay so many taxes and fees in Ny it sucks You tell people how much you make and while that may seem like alot to someone in some rural town money in Ny does not go that far.And than to watch them spend it so poorly
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 17, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Jerry sent this e-mail to me, it is worth the read
Listening to the mainstream media these last few days I’ve learned a few things about the GOP’s VP nominee from MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, N.Y.Times, Boston Globe et al, but also had to learn a few things from FOX News and on my own. To wit:
1. From the media I learned Sarah Palin’s husband has a DUI conviction from 22 years ago. On my own I learned that Ted Kennedy (hero of last week’s tribute at the DNC) was drunk while driving a car off a bridge in Chappaquiddick. That same crash killed a young campaign volunteer with whom he was having an affair. Oh, and that woman was pregnant with his child.
* Mr. Palin’s (who is not running for office) DUI came a mere 4 years after Barack Obama (who is running for president) stopped using cocaine and marijuana (by his own admission in his autobiography).
Shocking – it’s OK for the presidential candidate to use drugs or the party patriarch to kill someone while driving drunk yet the husband of a VP candidate should be demonized for something done 22 years ago.
2. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin’s daughter is pregnant.
* On my own I learned that Joe Biden’s (the other VP candidate) son was paid a large amount of money as a consultant to credit card company MBNA.
That same company had business before Senator Joe Biden concerning regulation of consumer credit practices. After the company paid a hefty sum to Mr. Biden’s son, he voted in favor of legislation to help that company.
* That same son, Hunter, is also engaged in a legal investigation and suit for defrauding a former business partner
Shocking – it’s a crime for the republican VP candidate to have a child who’s pregnant even though it’s irrelevant to how she performs her job.
It’s ok, however, for the democrat VP candidate while a senator to vote in favor of a company who paid his son over a quarter of a million dollars.
3. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin should be considered “selfish” for agreeing to run for VP knowing about her daughter’s condition. Knowing th at her public role would bring extra scrutiny on the family is selfish and she should have declined to protect her child (actually heard this on ABC this weekend).
Strange – the same people who said Sarah is selfish for running for VP did not seem to care about any impact on Chelsea when Bill Clinton had his dalliance with Monica Lewinsky. That was a private, personal matter you see.
4. From the media I have learned to be “concerned” that Sarah Palin probably won’t be able to manage her family and do an effective job of being VP at the same time.
Funny – I never heard anything about Hillary’s ability to support Chelsea while re-doing healthcare or any of the other feminist icons who say you can balance work and family. They also never mention that Barack will have to balance time with his children while meeting with heads of rogue nations or how Joe Biden’s kids don’t even have a mom and will be fighting for his time while he hosts white house coffee fundraisers and sells nights in the Lincoln bedroom.
5.. From the media I have learned that Sarah Palin is “too inexperienced”to be a heartbeat-away from the presidency.
* Apparently taking on corruption in your own party and running a state that’s the same size people-wise as Delaware (hint hint: that’s where Joe Biden is from) is not really experience.
* However, time spent as a “community organizer” and less than 180 days in the senate where you’ve authored no significant legislation is just the type of “change” we’re looking for from the top of the ticket.
Funny – inexperience at the top of the ticket is a mantra for “change” and “hope” while strong practical everyday experience as the #2 is cause for concern.
6. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin’s husband once got a ticket for fishing without a license.
* I haven’t heard much about the fact that if he were still a practicing attorney, the VP candidate Joe Biden would be dis-barred for plagiarism not once but multiple times.
It’s ok to break the rules if you’re a democrat candidate but not Ok if you are the spouse of a republican candidate.
7. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin doesn’t know much about Iraq ; in fact we wonder if she even knows where it is.
* Sarah’s son volunteered into the US military and is now deployed in Iraq . I guess that doesn’t count.
Sarah has spent more time with troops in Iraq (as commander of the Alaska National Guard she visited Iraq last year) than Obama has even while running for president. In fact, when Sarah went to Iraq she spent time with the troops. When Obama went there, he skipped a base visit to instead go work out at the Ritz Carlton .
8. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin is a “lightweight” and she better be a “quick study” to keep up with this team.
Funny, nobody is talking about how, after Barack Obama had “visited 57 states” according to him he only had “5 more to go” or endless other stupid gaffes that expose who he really is.
9. From the media I have learned that (gasp!), Sarah Palin’s husband was once a registered member of a 3rd party that favored states’ rights (man, this is really bad stuff).
* That same media has been silent to the story that when Barack Obama announced his first senate run, he did so in the home of William Ayers.
Mr. Ayers is an un-repentant terrorist convicted for bombing the pentagon.
This same Mr. Ayers said on 9/11 that he and his group did not do enough to harm our military and he wished he had done more. During the same time as that comment, he was serving on a board with Barack Obama. All notes and information about their serving together is now locked up by the corrupt Chicago machine and reporter access to those records are being blocked by the Obama campaign.
If we’ve had any doubts about the bias of the media, it’s pretty clear now where they stand. Pass this on to some of your friends who are on the fence and who get all their information from Katie Couric, Wolf Blitzer, Tom Brokaw and the gang. This is egregious and corrupt. The only way to stop it is to spread information using other outlets and make these guys irrelevant
Posted by: Jerry | October 17, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
reddog: “He should not dictate how or where I spend my success.”
If you don’t think the government should set tax rates, you might want to look at the Libertarian Party.
The simple fact is that the government has used tax codes to create incentives to get people to do what they want ever since we’ve had taxes.
The home interest payments deduction is an incentive to own, because the government believe expanded home ownership is good for economic stability.
The original marijuana prohibition wasn’t really a prohibition. It was a high sin tax on marijuana – an incentive not to use the plant. The problem is, like most prohibitions or even very high taxes on desired products, it only created an un-taxed black market.
Also, we’ve had progressive tax rates for a long time. It is “wealth spreading.” The richer pay more for bridges, fire houses, etc., though all have equal use of those things. The richer pay more for social programs that help the non-rich. Its wealth spreading, and its been advocated by both parties for decades.
The debate is in the details. How much wealth spreading, how do we set those progressive rates.
Obama is running in the current atmosphere, in which we’re coming off of several years of what many consider radical tax rates in favor of the rich.
Ten years ago, his tax proposals may have seemed more akin to what a Republican candidate rather than a Democratic candidate would propose.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
WRONG:
He’s Out but not Down….
check it out:
http://www.palinaspresident.us/
Posted by: thegwoe | October 17, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
It would truly be a terrible moment in our nation’s history if McCain and Palin were to be elected on their platform of hate and lies. There was a time I had some respect for McCain. But he has completely lost my respect. In fact I must have been mistaken all along to think that he had any honor. If he becomes president I will still have no respect for him. But even worse if he becomes president it will show the world that the days of an inspiring America are over. If he becomes president the world will see that America is ruled by hate, fear and bigotry and that every other country had better be afraid because a hate filled, angry old man and his ill-informed religious fundamentalist vp will be in charge and they are erratic and filled with negativity. In fact negativity is their platform.
Posted by: Jim Dandy | October 17, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
reddog: “I pay so many taxes and fees in Ny it sucks You tell people how much you make and while that may seem like alot to someone in some rural town money in Ny does not go that far.And than to watch them spend it so poorly.”
Can’t disagree with any of that. I’ve heard New York taxes are really high. And we all know government is never going to spend the money efficiently. Government is kind of a necessary evil. We need one, even though we know it isn’t going to work well.
Part of this problem is the result of government expansion. The bureaucracies in place now, with so many layers of oversight placed on top of one another, makes efficiency damn near impossible. And both parties are to blame for this.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 – the real question is why mentally challenged voters wanted to vote for McCain, lol.
Sorry, couldn’t resist. Of course this is wrong, and if substantiated, the guy who did this should be punished.
But we all know that stuff happens on both sides, and always has, so maybe we can drop the faux indignation?
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
McCain has nothing left but to attack Obama. He will not change his platform, and that is what is key.
McCains tax plan is 4 more years of bush tax cuts. His estimated $4.2 trillion over 10 years in debt, vs $2.9 trillion for Obama would mean that he would have to drastically cut more government spending than Obama just to break even. Those $18 billion in ‘earmarks’ aren’t even going to come close, and he still needs to find money to keep the war machine going. And if history has taught us anything, it is that trickle down tax policies do not work, no matter how many times they are tried.
His Health plan is a dismal one for Americans looking for help in the current health care crisis. Forcing people to private insurance and giving a tax cut will cause more people to lose insurance and like his tax plan simply favors the wealthy, while Obamas plan would cause more people to obtain insurance, and by a significant amount more, and would inject an estimated $140 billion a year into the economy in tax savings to employers.
McCain has come out and said he doesn’t know much about the economy, while Obama has Buffet advising him, and probably the last economic genius living, former fed chairman Volker endorsing Obama, not to mention a host of Nobel prize winners in economics.
McCain has a foreign policy stance identical to Bush, one of military might and preemptive military action. We have seen how that has worked out so far, and has destroyed our foreign relation and standing in the world. Obama has a much better chance at restoring what we once had with our friends and allies, and would, like we always have before Bush, only use military action when absolutely required.
And there is so much more that differentiates the two platforms and candidates.
I know people claim it isn’t so, but I’m certain that if Obama was born looking like JFK, this election would be a slam dunk for him. It is a shame that people let fear and intolerance cloud their judgment when it comes to doing what is best for the country and best for all Americans.
Posted by: Concerned American | October 17, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Did not Zero-bama want to up the social security cap to $150,000. That’s more than $3100 taxes increase to those of you couples making $150,000.
Perhaps it is still too rich for Zero-bama’s standard, after all his brother lives just at $1 per month.
Posted by: d0 | October 17, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
remember the media are in the tank for obama,eople are going to be shocked election morning when mccain wins we are what nixon called the silent majority and we will speak on election day
Posted by: gary | October 17, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Huh, Gary, and I would have thought pollsters would have been able to find the silent majority by now.
But I do agree its still a race.
The unfortunate thing for Americans is that its still a race only because of taxes, and the fact that a lot of Americans don’t understand the issue, thus allowing McCain to whip up a frenzy over how Obama will stick it to all the Joe the plumbers out there.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Slick Barry said, “I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls.”
This is Obama’s warning shot at Rupert Murdoch. The One is saying that when he takes office and re-imposes the “Fairness Doctrine,” then the FEC and federal lawyers (after he replaces them all) will take a good, hard look at Fox.
The Obama regime is already intimidating opponents with threats of legal action in Missouri and Chicago–as well as inciting angry mobs to try to shut down radio shows critical of Him in Chicago.
Obama’s FEC will say that they can’t regulate what Fox says on cable, but, hey, that’s a nice broadcast license you have over there at Fox Network. It would be a shame if something happened to it. This would be entirely consistent with how Democrat senators wrote a letter to ABC in 2006 (confident they were on their way to a majority), threatening ABC’s broadcast license for airing “Path to 9-11”–which Chuck Schumer deemed was too critical of B.J. Clinton.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=262624
Obama learned this art of intimidation at the knee off his master, Mayor Richard Daley.
That’s the Chicago Way! Get used to it, because it will become the tool of Obama’s Dep’t of Justice and IRS.
Posted by: Obama's Clever Threat to Fox | October 17, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Paul,
I agree maybe we should all look into Todds Organization.Start over.Thats was one of the reasons I was not in favor of the bailout .Let it crash we start over again and close the gap between the haves and the have nots
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 17, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Huh, Gary, and I would have thought pollsters would have been able to find the silent majority by now.
But I do agree its still a race.
The unfortunate thing for Americans is that its still a race only because of taxes, and the fact that a lot of Americans don’t understand the issue, thus allowing McCain to whip up a frenzy over how Obama will stick it to all the Joe the plumbers out there.
Posted by: Paul
I dont think it so much a issue of taxes as it is about bigger goverment.We need good goverment not more.
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 17, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Expiring Bush tax cuts -Obama lets taxes get raised all by themself.
Posted by: geevill | October 17, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
– Perhaps it is still too rich for Zero-bama’s standard, after all his brother lives just at $1 per month. –
That story is getting a bit old and makes one look a bet desperate, trying to find anything to justify ones position.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_obamas_brother_really_dirt_poor_in.html
Posted by: Concerned American | October 17, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Uh-oh! Barack and Michelle are already planning party, drapes, new gym but what? I wouldn’t count John McCain out.
Posted by: kid | October 17, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
reddog: “I dont think it so much a issue of taxes as it is about bigger goverment.We need good goverment not more.”
Again, you might want to check out the Libertarian Party. Has McCain advocated any decrease of government? If so, I missed it.
I don’t remember a Republican candidate for president talking about eliminating a government office since Reagan, and his idea of scrapping the entire Education Department. I also noticed it never happened.
Has either party ever closed any government office? I’m sure its happened, but I can’t think of one off the top of my head.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
reddog: “I agree maybe we should all look into Todds Organization.”
You caught me there. What’s Todds Organization?
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Paul,
I agree what they take and get they will never give back.McCain wants to scale down goverment and have accountability.Obama seems to talk about more more more goverment
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 17, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
reddog: “McCain wants to scale down goverment and have accountability.”
Has he offered any examples?
I know he said he wants to freeze spending except for defense and veterans programs. But then his proposals on the campaign trail include a lot of non-frozen spending.
There was a classic moment in the last debate. McCain said Palin understands the needs of parents with autistic kids, and how his administration would help these parents.
Obama responded by asking McCain how he was going to help them when he’s frozen his ability to spend any money.
McCain’s response to that was some kind of jibberish – certainly didn’t confront the obvious contradiction that McCain can’t do the stuff he’s talking about without money.
Anyone can say they want to scale back government and have more accountability. In fact, I think all candidates do say that. Without ‘for instances…’ it means nothing.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Paul ,
Palin braek away from this goverment
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 17, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
I have to give Reagan credit for at least offering a ‘for instance.’ He said the Education Department doesn’t run any schools, and can just go away.
I never saw any follow through on that once in office. It would have been a fight in Congress anyway, but I never saw the Reagan Administration start that fight.
But at least candidate Reagan had the cajones to propose an actual cut.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
– I agree what they take and get they will never give back.McCain wants to scale down goverment and have accountability.Obama seems to talk about more more more goverment –
Better look a little closer.. McCain has legislation in congress trying to create a government run US Boxing association funded with taxpayer money (S.84), increase rail transportation security (S.83), establish a Public Safety Interoperable Communications Working Group (S.744), create a pilot program on commercial fee-for-service air refueling support (S.AMDT 3103 to HR 1585), and several others mandating additional studies and working groups. I’ve never heard him mention scaling anything back, just ‘cutting pork’ and getting rid of earmarks.
Posted by: Concerned American | October 17, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Obama’s Trickle Up Poverty
Posted by: Gerald | October 17, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
McCain does say he’s not going to allow earmarks, saving the country something like $18 billion.
Meanwhile, we’ll be paying something like $300 billion just on the finance charges on the part of the national debt run up by the Bush Administration, but that’s another story.
McCain rarely talks about specific earmarks – just keeps in general so he sounds like a budget cutter.
When he does throw out a specific, the one I’ve heard is one Obama got – $3 million for a planetarium projector.
Presumably that’s the one McCain feels is the most embarrassing for Obama. That’s why he mentions it, right?
Except to me, I’m thinking if $3 million for a planetarium projector is the worst example pork Obama has delivered, well, that’s not so bad. I mean, look at that specific example.
If just one kid has him imagination fired by a trip to this planetarium, and thus gravitates toward a science career whereas he otherwise might not have, its easy to see that one kid giving us a positive return on the $3 million investment.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
OHIO BELONGS TOTHE DEMS
US SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED RULING.
OBAMA 08
Posted by: Omentum | October 17, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
MCCAIN IS DOWN AND OUT
Posted by: Omentum | October 17, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
By the way, Obama has proposed cuts to pay for the things he wants to do. Some have said the numbers don’t add up, and in all honesty, I’ll bet they don’t.
But at least he has proposed some.
Most notably, he’s proposed ending the $12 billion a month expenditure in Iraq, and has taken some political hits for it – like Reagan took some political hits for advocating an end to the Department of Education.
Just think – in two months Obama would save us more money from Iraq than McCain would save us all year from earmarks – and some of those earmarks are for some pretty good stuff.
Posted by: Paul | October 17, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
– When he does throw out a specific, the one I’ve heard is one Obama got – $3 million for a planetarium projector.
Presumably that’s the one McCain feels is the most embarrassing for Obama. That’s why he mentions it, right? –
Most likely.. and if you look at McCains legislation for the Boxing Association, the CBO estimates it to cost some $34 million over 4 years.
Obama also wants to re-implement pay as you go rules, eliminate no-bid contracts, end tax haven abuse, close special interest corporate loopholes and has voted the last three times against raising the federal debt limit.
And both have stated they want to cut ‘pork barrel’ spending and get rid of earmarks.. general political talk without any real specifics.
However, given the attention those have been given during this election campaign and the scrutiny that the American public is now giving them (remember how just hours after the ‘bailout’ bill was released that people started complaining about the ‘wooden arrows for children’, wool research and other garbage that was tucked in), I think both would be hard pressed to allow such legislation to be passed.
Posted by: Concerned American | October 17, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
McCain will:
1. Halt government expansion
2. Cut earmarks
3. Restructure wasteful military
spending
4. Institute a rational energy
policy
5. Cut taxes
Obama will:
1. Promote a socialist agenda which
will stifle economic growth,
discourage entrepreneurialism,
and weaken the country.
Posted by: Hal | October 17, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Pelosi – Obama – Reid: The Axis of Taxes
Posted by: Brad | October 17, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
– Obama will:
1. Promote a socialist agenda which
will stifle economic growth,
discourage entrepreneurialism,
and weaken the country. –
Most major economists and the former fed reserve chairman Volker disagree with your assesment. Even Greenspan has come out and said he does not support McCains tax cuts.
Posted by: Concerned American | October 17, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Even Greenspan has come out and said he does not support McCains tax cuts.
Posted by: Concerned American | Oct 17, 2008 12:37:37 PM
====
Of course, everyone supports Zero-bama’s tax increases.
What you got to concern, Mr. American?
Posted by: d0 | October 17, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
Even Greenspan has come out and said he does not support McCains tax cuts.
Posted by: Concerned American | Oct 17, 2008 12:37:37 PM
====
Of course, everyone supports Zero-bama’s tax increases.
What you got to concern, Mr. American?
Posted by: d0 | Oct 17, 2008 12:58:51 PM
Posted by: d0 | October 17, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
When is McCain going to PROPERLY vet someone.
On letterman he said he barely knew Palin
and now the Joe the Plummer story is unraveling soooo fast.
1. Not a plummer
2. A tax evader
3. Don’t have any intentions in buying a business
4. Don’t know what he was talking about with Obama
5. IT APPEARS THAT HE WOULD SAVE MORE MONEY USING OBAMA’S PLAN vice MCCAINS PLAN
Whats left. 18 more days of insanity.
God help us all.
Posted by: Omentum | October 17, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Omentum,
Another good man trashed and prevented from fulfilling his american dreams by Zero-bama and his cronies.
Sad, sad….
Posted by: d0 | October 17, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
d0
How in the heck am I preventing him from his american dreams. I just want the jerk to tell the truth while on camera before the world.
He said that he was plummer… ummm NO HE WASNT
He said Obama was going to tax him more.. ummm NO HE WOULDNT he benefits under a Obama plan. More than he would under a McCain plan
He waltzes over to the camera to talk to a Presidential candidate knowing he is not being totally honest. Finds out he is evading taxes.
He also show his true colors talking about Obama dancing like Sammy Davis Jr. (may he rest in peace)
What kind of jerk would such a thing… oh yeah… A stupid republican. Who would exploit such a thing oh yeah …. a desperate republican will to pull this guy on the national scene in efforts to shore up a demographic that he is lagging in. White working class men.
18 more days of insanity.
Posted by: Omentum | October 17, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
d0
Seems like you are not to concerned with Barack Obama dreams getting trashed.
Getting robo calls right now saying he is palling around with terrorist and that he is a baby killer.
18 more days of insanity
Posted by: Omentum | October 17, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Joe the ‘Plumber’ is just another glaring example of Rove political theatrics and lies. McCain is trying desperately to distance himself from Bush and yet he slides right back with his campaign. The difference now is that having been burned twice by Rove, selling them a defective president, the American people seem to be able to smell a rat this time.
Posted by: Loki | October 17, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
McCain needs a surge. If he called General Patraeus he would learn that a balanced application of honey and vinegar is the only way to win. McCain spews vinegar when he needs a little honey. ……….
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/17/mccain-needs-a-surge-he-should-try-one/
Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | October 17, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Oh, they’re going to target swing states NOW. Oh goodie. All these weeks, as big GOP states like Virginia go barreling into the Democratic column, and McCain is in IOWA, while Palin is in MAINE, and neither makes sense on the campaign trail.
McCain isn’t tech-savvy — so I bet he’s not looking at the Real Clear Politics electoral map. Palin’s handlers won’t even let her near the “depressing” media coverage so she doesn’t know what’s happening. God knows what their expensive expert advisors are doing.
If McCain/Palin run a campaign this way, how will they run the country? They have let down conservatives.
Posted by: Joyce | October 17, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
There are persistant rumors, though I have trouble believing it, that McCain doesn’t really want the job anymore.
Posted by: Loki | October 17, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
I hope McCain doesn’t win; it’s time for our country to have the Democrats in the White House and Congress. Spread the wealth around? Is that what Bush was doing when he bailed out Wall Street 3 times this year? The last time was $700 billion. Is that what you want your tax money used for? Bailing out the CEO’s that caused the failure? Not punishing them for the crimes they committed but rewarding them?
Posted by: nana | October 17, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
I think these Obama dornes will be sadly awaken on election day! The fact of the matter is that you can’t trust “polls” to give a true picture of the situation.
There exists significant reason for people to provide misleading information to these polls. As the link below demonstrates, the Obama Impire demands harsh repercutions on anyone who expreses a dissenting view! Think Hitler or Stalin squashing any dissent! It is sad to see people get excited about supporting oppression in the form of this “post turtle” Obama.
http://www.lufkindailynews.com/search/content/news/stories/2008/10/07/secret_service.html
Say NO to Tyranny before it is too late!
Socialism/Communisim will never work in this freedom loving country!
NoBama, NoBama NoBama!
Posted by: Average American | October 17, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Obama the magic negro is going to prison.
I’m Tony Rezko and I approve this message
Posted by: Rezko | October 17, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
McCain’s team still has not seen Obama’s achilles’ heel! McCain can dance to presidency but his campaign team does not see the path! It takes McCain 4 months to say “I’m not George Bush!” and it has been almost a year but his campaign team has a not seen the obvious!
Posted by: FloridaCounts | October 17, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
Paul, at least one of your impressions is not fact:
“The original marijuana prohibition wasn’t really a prohibition. It was a high sin tax on marijuana – an incentive not to use the plant.”
Actually, congress required a tax stamp for mj and then never made them available. This was overturned in the courts.
Posted by: rj | October 17, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
McCain it is over. Time for a change.
Read the TRUTH about the financial crisis:
http://www.vaboomer.com/the_portal_to_boomeranger/2008/10/mortgage-crisis-the-history.html
Posted by: Nancy Mehegan | October 17, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
you can put lipstick on Michelle, but it’s still a gorilla
Posted by: . | October 17, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Again,….why is the media, pundits, and everyone else thinking or even making it seem that McBush and his campaign even have a shot? Good ratings….possibly for TV, but why the internet? At least you would think that that would be truthful…..You know, had McGrumpy been who he was last nite at the political roast he may of had a shot, but the way he has allowed ROVE AND HIS RACISTS BSTRDS TO RUN HIS CAMPAIGN IS SHAMEFUL……
THE PENALTY HE HAS PAID IS THE PRESIDENCY ITSELF!!
BUZZARD KORNER!!
Posted by: BUZZARDS KORNER | October 17, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Greg: Just vote. I am tired of them talking about the economy when there is nothing wrong with the economy. The banks and mortgage lenders ruined it for themselves and the people are at fault for buying a condo or house with no money down. Then abandoning it later causing a foreclosure. That’s what the economy is all about. And the public should get their brains in order. The population in this country outnumber jobs. That’s why there are no jobs on the market. There are people at the age of 65 on social security but their check is not big enough which means they didn’t work many years in their lifetime. And there a people on SSI checks that don’t deserve it, selling their link cards for cash maybe to buy drugs. There a lot of problems in government that need to be changed. That’s one of the big issues. When they talk about health care, people should be responsible for their own insurance not the government. Company’s should not be forced to have insurance for their employees. This country don’t need government control.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 17, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Nancy: What financial crisis. Are you telling me you can’t buy groceries,pay your rent or mortgage, lease or buy a car, buy gas for the car etc. I am sure your not on welfare. Lehman Bros. are their own enemy. It has nothing to do with us. Whether Bush gave them the money or not it wouldn’t change anything for me.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 17, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
nana: Who cares what he uses the tax money for. Once it comes out of our checks why worry where it goes. There are more things to think about than the so called financial crisis which is now taken care of. Too many people are worried about Lehman Bros. Their crisis didn’t change a thing for me. And I am sure it didn’t change anything for you.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 17, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Omentum: Doesn’t Obama believe in abortion and if the child lives put it to sleep don’t help it? Don’t you call that a child killer? Of course he is. Every child has a right to live. If the commentor’s don’t believe that their mother should have aborted them. There are too many young girls getting pregnant then wanting an abortion or having the baby, throwing it in the trash to die, trying to flush it down the toilet. Now, that shows you how demented some young people are today. You can’t flush a baby down the toilet. That’s the drugs and booze that has affected their brains.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 17, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Omentum: Don’t you wish you had the money McCain and Cindy have. For a down and outer he has millions. And Obama’s lead is cut to 2%. It may be cut more after Palin speaks in Indiana today at 4:30pm. And McCain campaigning in the battleground states. Who cares about Virginia. OH, PA, IND, CO are the most important states. I believe McCain has SD, ND, WVA and ME locked.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 17, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Actually Mariann, Va is very important. All Obama has to do is win one of those states and he wins the presidency.
Posted by: annie | October 17, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
The only saving grace is that when these guys get into office they do very little of what they actually promised. Except Clinton promised gays in the military and he halfway did that. The stage has been set for someone who makes the American public feel warm and fuzzy inside, so that we’ll forget about all the ‘bad stuff’ going on. Seems to be working in a weird sense.
Posted by: msa123 | October 17, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
98% of polls lean left, for proof, they are admitting to polling 15 to 25% more democrats than republicans. So no wonder the polls favor Obama! If you Obama supporters want this country to be a socialist society, your going to have to wait another 20 years for indoctrinated college students to become the majority, because it’s not there yet!
Posted by: Independent for America | October 17, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Anyone hear about the outrage of the mandatory flu shots for pre-schoolers in NJ? But, but… I thought more of the nation wants more government?? They’re crying for it every day… give us Obama and national healthcare and tax cuts and and and…!… but DO NOT tell us we have to give our kids flu shots please? You guys are asking for it……………….!…….. that is IF he gets anything done that he promised, which he won’t because he’s too indecisivea and weak
Posted by: msa123 | October 17, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
The Obamabot brown shirts stealing McCain signs.Hillary should have the votes counted from the primaries,it looks like ACORN fixed the votes for 832ooo dollars that Obama paid them. those votes should be looked at and counted.
Posted by: Sandy | October 17, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
joe the plumber is a citizen who is now being targeted and smeared. he has every right to question a man who is running for the hightest office of the land. i would also ask everyone to be intellectual honest no matter what side of the fence your on; and ask yourself if this doesn’t scare you that this innocent guy is being attacked merely because he disgrees with “obama.” i thought they were suppose to be for the “little guy!” i would also like to add perhaps if taxes weren’t so damn high maybe joe the plumber could afford to pay them! isnt that the whole point of this debate!
Posted by: lc | October 17, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
McCain Can Kiss it Goodbye- Ashamed and Dishonorable………….
G. Gordan Liddy is McCain’s Ayers–
Take a good look at the PEOPLE that John McCain “associates” with.
John McCain was on the David Letterman show on Thursday and the quote most people have watched is where McCain says “I screwed up”. His body language is that of Oops! But further on into the show McCain then said this. “I’m not in any way embarassed to know Gordon Liddy.”
READ ON: Nixon impeached- America’s Honorable Republicans……
Others included plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972 Republican National Convention, kidnapping anti-war activists and transporting them to Mexico and arranging call girls to catch Democrats in compromising situations.
Liddy is most famous for the break in at the Watergate Hotel. Basically, the “plumbers” were caught breaking into the Democratic National Committee Headquarters housed at the Watergate hotel. Their intention was to bug the phones and put in a “room monitoring device”.
Liddy was sentenced to over 21 years in prison. He served four and a half years in prison after being convicted of conspiracy, burglary and illegal wiretapping. Liddy’s sentence was commuted by President Carter.
Posted by: sue | October 17, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
Read this to get to know the real John McCain.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
Posted by: Sarah | October 17, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
QUESTION:
Why don’t Palin’s older kids go to college?
Why don’t Palin’s youger kids go to school instead of campaigning?
This country needs more educated people, not less.
Wake up America.
Posted by: inwhatrespectcharlie | October 18, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
McCain’s association with Liddy isn’t news. The Chicago Tribune covered it back in May, when the Clinton campaign was roadtesting the McCain campaign’s tactics. Let’s compare:
* Bill Ayers participated in bombing a statue, the New York Police headquarters, the U.S. Capitol, and the Pentagon. G. Gordon Liddy participated in a White house plot to subvert the Constitution.
* Ayers has never been convicted or served prison time. Liddy was convicted of conspiracy, burglary, and illegal wire-tapping, was senteced to 20 years, and served 5.5 until President Carter commuted his sentence.
* Ayers is now a professor of education. Liddy is a conservative talk radio host.
* Ayers has said “we didn’t do enough” to stop the Vietnam War, a statement interpreted by some to mean he thinks he should have set off more bombs in the early 1970s. In 1994, after the feds stormed the branch Davidian compound in Waco, Liddy said on his radio program, [sorry, rough language coming] “Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they’re going to be wearing bulletproof vests. … Kill the sons of bitches.” (And as for Liddy on Hitler….)
* Ayers and his wife hosted a campaign event at his house for Obama in 1995. Liddy hosted a campaign event for McCain in 1998.
* Ayers donated $200 to Obama in 2001. Liddy has given at least $5,000 to McCain over the years, including $1,000 this year.
* Senator Obama has called Ayers’ terrorist acts “despicable” and condemned them. Senator McCain appeared on Liddy’s radio show last November and said, “I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family…. It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”
I’m not going to bother with quantifying the sins of Ayers and Liddy. And please note, I offer no defense of Ayers here. Go ahead, assume the worst of both men, and you can say, as does Chapman, that each man “back in the 1970s, extolled violence and committed crimes in the name of a radical ideology — and… has never shown remorse or admitted error.”
It’s simple: if you think Ayers is a voting issue, then you must think Liddy is a voting issue. Have fun voting for Barr or Nader.
Posted by: Sick of Double Standards | October 18, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Nothing has gone right for Senator Mc Cain, but this campaign was not going to be won on luck.
To win Senator Mc Cain how to display confidence and competence and he gave up the latter by not having a solid plan and message and selected Sarah Palin.
Posted by: geek | October 18, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
“Christopher Buckley, author and son of late conservative icon William F. Buckley, last week surprised readers of the magazine his father founded, the National Review: “Sorry, Dad, I’m voting for Obama” was the headline on The Daily Beast blog.
Tuesday in a phone interview with the Austin American-Statesman he revealed another surprise: After NR readers raised holy heck over his perceived betrayal of the right, he offered to resign his column – and it was accepted.
“It upset a great number of people – a huge number of canceled subscriptions, apostasy, the whole thing,” he said from Washington.
When he offered his resignation to the magazine’s editors, “I was sort of hoping for, ‘Well, let’s think about it,’ ” Buckley said. “But to paraphrase Ronald Reagan, I didn’t leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.”
Posted by: Rob | October 18, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm