Those Undisclosed Obama Donors
In an attempt at political jujitsu (soon to enter the Hall of Verboten Clichés — but not yet), the McCain campaign and the RNC have been attempting to put Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., on the defensive about his record-shattering fundraising, which includes an unprecedented $150 million September.
Obama, of course, opted out of public financing, despite an earlier pledge to do so, an issue of real contention for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who (rightly) feels it’s a broken promise Obama hasn’t gotten much heat for from either the media or government reform proponents.
More recently, Republicans have been pointing out that Obama does not disclose the names of donors who contribute less than $200 to his campaign. He is under no legal obligation to do so, but his failure to provide those names, it can certainly be argued, doesn’t live up to his pledges of transparency and openness.
Ergo, the Republican National Committee today introduced a searchable public database of un-itemized RNC donors -– those who contributed less than $200 to the RNC from the time McCain became the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.
You can access it HERE.
“Sen. Obama talks a lot about openness and transparency, but Republicans walk the walk. Here we have another example of Obama’s rhetoric in no way matching his record,” RNC Chairman Mike Duncan said in a statement. “When will Barack Obama stand up and follow through on his rhetoric? When will he stop talking about leadership and exhibit it?”
And yesterday, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis held a conference call on the subject.
Davis called Obama’s $150 million September “an extraordinary amount of money, and an unbelievable track record for somebody who, no question, will go down in political history, regardless of the outcome of this election, as the greatest fundraiser in presidential political history.”
That said, Davis went on –- per ABC News’ Arnab Datta -– "it brings up, though, an important, an important question for this campaign. From Day One, Barack Obama said he was going to bring in a new style of politics, he talked about being the most transparent campaign seen today, in fact, has challenged other people on their transparency throughout the course of the election, whether it was his primary opponents or others, and what is most amazing is that, regardless of repeated calls and questions in the media about his contributions and what he’s done, he has refused to — to this point, release any of his donors under $200 a person.
“Obviously, in order to raise $150 million, he has had to include, again, hundreds of thousands, if not close to a million, new donors into his campaign,” Davis said. “And what is also something that I think is important to note, is that it is the first campaign since the Watergate era that has taken primary fundraising efforts and driven it all the way through and into the general election.
"So, not only are the donors that he has received in September an important question mark as to why these aren’t being disclosed, but all the donations that he got during the primary are useable in the general election. It’s the first time that’s ever happened, and it raises questions about, you know, what of these donors, too, were qualified, and why isn’t the Obama campaign reporting them? Clearly, they have a significant Internet capacity, there’s no question that technology allows this to happen.”
Davis said that he has “no doubt that, you know, the vast majority of those are probably legitimate. But they’re being kept secret by the Obama campaign, for no good reason.”
I myself haven’t heard a good reason as to why Obama is refusing to disclose the names of these donors, unlike the McCain campaign.
Have you heard one? Do you care?
- jpt
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No Jake, I don’t care. I’ve head enough of all those poor GOP distractions.
McCain is losing on the issues. That’s what this is all about.
Posted by: Johnson | October 21, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
Another non-starter for the failing and flailing McCain Campaign. The fact that so many people donated to Obama while we in the middle of a financial crisis should be enough to shut Rick Davis up, but they continue to whine whine whine. Just go lose and shut up.
Posted by: Jim | October 21, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
I DON’T CARE!
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am
Why do the want the donor names, so they can change our voter registrations?…lol
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am
No, I don’t care, a donor that gave less than $200 doesn’t really have Obama’s ear you know? Its not like I am calling him up influencing his campaign and that sort of thing, since I am one of those donors, a stay at home mom in Naples, yeah, its a problem that I donated.
The Republicans feel like they are losing so they are going to keep distracting distracting distracting and its like stop being a baby and talk about the issues…oh, that’s right, that means you lose.
Posted by: Katsolera | October 21, 2008, 8:42 am 8:42 am
Another distraction while economy is in peril, incertainties are high, college cost is a real challenge, foreclosures a real reality and the future of the financial market is bleak. No way, No how, No McSame and No Palin. God save America from McCain and Palin.
Posted by: BKMC | October 21, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
Obama supporters whenever McCain makes another attack on Obama, get pissed and press the button to send $10 to the campaign.
3.1million donors. US$150 million. That would be about $48 per person. Or perhaps we can take the 600 000+ new donors they netted. if we assume they were solely responsible for the 150 million haul, even then, it works out to about $250 per person- not an entirely unreasonable amount.
Now, what’s this about McCain sending the Russian UN Ambassador a solicitation of donations? Who’s cosying up to the Communists and Socialists?
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am
ANY TIME SOMEONE HAS TO KEEP SOMETHING SECRET, YOU CAN BE SURE THEY HAVE SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO HIDE.
Posted by: JACK | October 21, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am
Jake,
For the sake of argument, let’s say 3-5% of the “small” contributions are questionable. That means for the month of September his number would be $146M – $148M…Does it really matter?
Obama knows the rules and is going to follow them by giving no more or no less information than required.
I wish he would open up the books, but if you were in his position, what would you do?
Posted by: rdub | October 21, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
Of course no one cares. If Obama is buying the election, or Acorn is committing voter fraud, who cares? It all helps to defeat the evil Republicans. So it’s ok to cheat.
Posted by: John | October 21, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
I would assume that McCain having surrounded himself with top lobbyists, many of them with very shady dealings in the past, is more of a great and legitimate concern than some minor Obama donors.
The old boy lobbyist network around McCain tells us lot about the way Washington would (still) work under a McCain Presidency. What do all these minor donors tell us? Hmmm… anything else than that the McCain campaign is very, very jealous of Obama’s financial strength?
These day, the McCain campaign launches 10 issues a day to try to get Obama in trouble, desperately hoping that one of them will stick.
In the meantime, Americans are focusing of their future and the future of their children in this great country.
A large majority of them will therefore be voting for Barack Obama in less than two weeks.
Posted by: plato | October 21, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am
Jack,
I would rather think Obama doesn’t want to expose his donors to harrassment by some crazy extremists who are in effect, no better then Muslim radicals, or by the GOP.
McCain’s campaign is so careless they ended up sending a letter to the Russian ambassador to ask him for money.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
they are probably kept a secret so the repubs don’t go knocking on their doors and say they are not patriots and/or comminists….
Posted by: matt | October 21, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
“keeping the contributors SECRET for no good reason.” Why am I not surprised that Obama has to hide where his money is coming from?
And the beat goes on. And the dumb get dumber.
Posted by: SCHMIDTY | October 21, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
ANY TIME SOMEONE HAS TO KEEP SOMETHING SECRET, YOU CAN BE SURE THEY HAVE SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO HIDE.
Posted by: JACK | Oct 21, 2008 8:45:48 AM
What business is it of the Republicans or you who contributed? There is no law that says they have to. I am sure that people do not want their names in the hands of the GOP. God only knows what would happen then.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
No One cares! The law states he doesnt have to Disclose them, I donate all the time when I can 20 dollars here and there when Palin Attacks him I donate more. Mccain camp is Jealous and this is another Distraction, We dont care MCCAIN WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR PLANS AS PRESIDENT! SICK AND TIRED OF THE OBAMA BASHING WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS MCCAIN?
Posted by: ANGIE | October 21, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
Whats up with Mccain BEGGING Russia for money?
Posted by: Angie | October 21, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
Considering how one Republican has been arrested for voter fraud and changing Democrat’s registrations to Republicans without their permission, I shouldn’t be surprised Obama doesn’t want the GOP to get their hands on the names of his donors.
Or how Obama supporters got their car tires slashed while at an Obama event.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
Angie,
They claimed it was a computer error. If it wasn’t, that’s well, huge. Begging a citizen from the “Commie, Socialist” country for money? Oh GASP. Even if it was an error, it underlines their incompetence.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am
The Republicans are saying:
“Obama is NOT breaking the law and we want to know why?”
Posted by: dj | October 21, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
Whats up with Mccain BEGGING Russia for money?
Posted by: Angie | Oct 21, 2008 8:51:38 AM
Who knows with Crooked McCain.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
Angie,
They claimed it was a computer error. If it wasn’t, that’s well, huge. Begging a citizen from the “Commie, Socialist” country for money? Oh GASP. Even if it was an error, it underlines their incompetence.
Posted by: Grey Matter | Oct 21, 2008 8:53:17 AM
They were trying to teach him how to use a computer and he hit the wrong button.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
Jake, it’s pretty simple: Obama’s undisclosed list of low-dollar, recently active (if not newly registered) donors is a hugely powerful weapon. It’s not about disclosure, it’s about him being the only person with their contact information. For fundraising, he would simply giving away the power of holding those names in. It’s the same reason people don’t give out their email lists. It’s just more important, because he can raise so much money.
Posted by: eric | October 21, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
GREY MATTER
Can you provide a link to that Republican being arrested for changing Registrations? and what is up in West Virgina changing Obama votes to Mccains is this what your talking about?
Posted by: Angie | October 21, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
JWENCH
HAHAHAHAH LOLO LOLO HAHAHAHAH!!!!
Posted by: Angie | October 21, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am
Jack, how many past contenders for the White House have posted the names of those who have contributed less than $200. This is a non-issue, especially when compared with all the other major factors of this election. You do yourself and the Country a disservice with such a dumb distraction. A good question that I think you should raise is the matter of intellectual curiosity and intelligence. Take a serious look at the education of all four candidates and compare them. It seems that Americans don’t care about electing stupid presidents as evidenced by electing Bush twice and now having McCain as a serious candidate. He is a nice guy but not someone who will be making challenging decisions.
Posted by: Fred Riek | October 21, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am
This is about changing the rules in them middle of the game. How many people donated less that $200 under the assumption that their name wouldn’t be published? There are many reasons why that could matter, especially for small business owners that could feel that their personal politics could have a financial impact on their businesses. I wonder how many small McCain supporters feel lied to after they released the names of donors that they had told they would not release? I guess once again these people are just considered collateral damage – anything to get a vote.
Posted by: winter99 | October 21, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am
This human nature of Republicans are
now going over and above the normal
limit.
Do they want to tell us that they were not aware of anyone contributing
less than $200 is not entitled to be shown, until now when they realised the record made of 150M $?
Can’t they practice boldness when they loose??
Posted by: FM | October 21, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Angie,
No it’s a different thing, but yes, both things did happen. One of them, some Republican got Democrats to sign some petition for harsher measures against child molestors and then used their details to change their registration to Republican.
Then another one is some voters in WV complaining that their votes for Obama kept flipping for McCain on the touch-screen machine. Explanation given was that screen was not calibrated properly, blahblah.
But even then, I don’t know why the heck, we, supposedly the model of democracy, used such measures that allow voter fraud to occur. We should follow those developing countries or like France which use a PAPER ballot and a pencil, and ink to mark the finger. Plain and simple, cheaper, and lower chance of voter fraud.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
No – I don’t care.
McCain/Palin – The Politics of distraction and inaction.
Posted by: Do Not Care | October 21, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Yes I care, but most do not. The unfairness, along with possibly some questionable donations is what it will take to bring this issue to the front. Every dem must think this is ok.
Must be because they see the end justifying the means….where have I heard that before?
Posted by: smith | October 21, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
“My daddy makes more money than your Daddy.”
Sounds like little Johnny and Ricky are pouting because Obama has more people giving him money than them..
Does that tell you anything you fools?
hahahahaha!!!
Posted by: Kerry | October 21, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Then another one is some voters in WV complaining that their votes for Obama kept flipping for McCain on the touch-screen machine. Explanation given was that screen was not calibrated properly, blahblah.
Posted by: Grey Matter | Oct 21, 2008 8:45:38 AM
Which is why we ALL need to check our votes before and after we pull the lever or push the button.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Yes I care, but most do not. The unfairness, along with possibly some questionable donations is what it will take to bring this issue to the front. Every dem must think this is ok.
Must be because they see the end justifying the means….where have I heard that before?
Posted by: smith | Oct 21, 2008 9:07:07 AM
As crooked and dirty as the Republicans are, I don’t think anybody wants them to get a hold of the names.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
I think people should try to get an optical scan ballot instead- the kind where you shade in the oval beside the candidate’s names. Less chance of funny business.
Those touchscreen machines are frankly, a waste of money and only cause problems. And they leave no paper trail. I mean, why not forgo the complicated stuff and just go with pen/pencil and paper to mark a cross on a PAPER ballot like what less developed countries we encourage democracy in do?
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
GREY MATTERS
Thanks for the links The Republicans are at it again trying to Steal the Election Pathetic, Yes I agree we need to completly CHANGE THE VOTING SYSTEM!Thats why we keep ending up with Republican Presidents.
Posted by: ANGIE | October 21, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am
The whole purpose of full disclosure is to ensure the integrity of the election process. How do we know that individuals aren’t exceeding the $2,300 limit by sending in dozens of checks under $200? How do we know that ALL of these under $200 donations are from Americans? Since Sen. Obama’s websites can be accessed from every country in the world, how do we know that international supporters are not sending in contributions under $200? Or worse yet, how do we know that ACORN’s practices aren’t filtering into the campaign donations (i.e., $10,000,000 in cash bundled with 50,252 made up names)?
Posted by: James Danley | October 21, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
Those touchscreen machines are frankly, a waste of money and only cause problems. And they leave no paper trail. I mean, why not forgo the complicated stuff and just go with pen/pencil and paper to mark a cross on a PAPER ballot like what less developed countries we encourage democracy in do?
Posted by: Grey Matter | Oct 21, 2008 9:11:29 AM
Because then they would be throwing the paper ballots away..lol.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
Angie,
Exactly. Which is why people must GO OUT AND VOTE and make it too big for the election to be stolen. Keep your eyes open for anyone behaving strangely at the polling station, and if you’ve no choice but to use the touchscreen machine, check that your vote is recorded correctly! Try to get an optical ballot.
It’s just so ironic how America is the greatest proponent of democracy yet our elections have fewer safeguard them some other countries to prevent fraud.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
I’m not for Obama, but I don’t think it matters we know his donors under $200.
I do think the hypocrisy is at an all time high though.
If Republicans raised this kind revenue and were drowning out Obama’s message 3-to-1, they would be accused of buying the election.
But Obama can do no wrong according to the media. Hypocrisy.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
Jwench,
Well, it would be harder to unload a whole box of ballots without out somebody noticing rather then just quietly messing with the voting machine configurations.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
GOP DONOR SEARCH ONLY ALLOWS $1.00 TO $200.00. THIS IS TRUE TRANSPARENCY? WHERE IS THE LARGE DONORS SEARCH? OR IS THE GOP PROTECTING THE GUILTY? MJM
Posted by: m j michles | October 21, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Posted by: Grey Matter | Oct 21, 2008 9:16:47 AM
Unfortunately here in PA where I live we have those. I will make sure that the people I am taking to vote check and double check that Obama gets their votes.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am
Jwench, regarding donors over $200. It’s already reported to the Federal Election Committe.
Federal law requires us to report the name, address, occupation, and employer of each individual who contributes over $200 in an election cycle (for contributions to McCain-Palin Compliance Fund) or $200 in a calendar year (for contributions to the Republican National Committee or to any state party committee).
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Jwench,
Well, it would be harder to unload a whole box of ballots without out somebody noticing rather then just quietly messing with the voting machine configurations.
Posted by: Grey Matter | Oct 21, 2008 9:17:54 AM
I know, I was just making a joke about how crooked they are.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
Distractions? Are you seriously suggesting, Johnson, that making sure that the financing of both campaigns is transparent and honest is a distraction?
Not to me. First Obama went back on his promise to take public financing when he saw it would be to his advantage. Then he refused to reveal all the donations, using the excuse that it is not a law to reveal small donations. McCain has revealed all donations all along. It is not hard to do.
But the Obama team doesn’t really want us to see all those thousands of donations that are, to put it kindly, suspicious. The donations from Mickey Mouse and asdfjk;. The multiple small donations from the same person who flies under the radar by donating under variations of his/her name: Joe Plumber gives 100 and Joseph T. Plumber gives 100 and J.T. Plumber gives 100 and Joey the Plumber gives 100… and soon you are over the contribution limit but no one calls you on it.
A great deal of the Obama money is tainted– estimate are up to 200 million, according to some news accounts. The press ignored that as long as they could. Bringing it up now? Better than not mentioning it, but by th e time this gets investigated, if it ever does, the campaign will be over, the unfair money spent on ads and walking-around money, the votes bought. It will be too late and Obama will be able to shrug and say, “we tried. It was just such a lot of money.”
McCain led the fight for campaign finance reform, to the chagrin of powerful members of his own party. He has been transparent in his fundraising. he has played by the rules. This is leadership. This is the president we need.
Posted by: moderate | October 21, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
Jwench,
No option to take an optical-scan ballot there?
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
JWENCH
I live in PA too I also will be talking to people about this
Posted by: ANGIE | October 21, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
Jwench, regarding donors over $200. It’s already reported to the Federal Election Committe.
Federal law requires us to report the name, address, occupation, and employer of each individual who contributes over $200 in an election cycle (for contributions to McCain-Palin Compliance Fund) or $200 in a calendar year (for contributions to the Republican National Committee or to any state party committee).
Posted by: Joe Detroit | Oct 21, 2008 9:21:42 AM
Why are you telling me this. I don’t care. Besides that I didn’t say anything about donors over $200.00
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
moderate,
I don’t think he wanted go back on his word. But he saw it as a good strategy when he realised how much he could pull in from small donors.
Considering how usually the RNC is able to raise more money then the DNC to support their candidate, I can’t fault Obama for doing this. It was smart on his part, and actually shows he does have good judgement. This is a non-issue.
They DO check and return the donations that are illegitimate, by the way.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
A couple weeks back didnt Mccain have to give back some Millions of foreign Donations he was Recieving?
Posted by: Angie | October 21, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
Who cares.
People don’t give a crap about this.
Posted by: David | October 21, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am
Jwench,
No option to take an optical-scan ballot there?
Posted by: Grey Matter | Oct 21, 2008 9:22:27 AM
I have no idea. I doubt it as small as the place is I have to vote. I will ask though :)
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am
It was me I gave him $100 bucks. shoot me GOP
Posted by: scott | October 21, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
No sooner does Colin Powell endorse Obama then along comes a visibly shaken Joe Biden guarantees a scary World Crisis in the first six months of an Obama presidency. What is Biden not telling us? Biden then goes on to say that we will appear to be on the wrong side, and Obama will need our support. I didn’t sleep a wink last night, just one hellish nightmare after another!
Doesn’t Joe Biden understand that an Obama presidency is all about hope, change, and lower taxes. Hint: Joe, save it for Nov. 5
Posted by: Bitter Business Owner | October 21, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
McCain led the fight for campaign finance reform, to the chagrin of powerful members of his own party. He has been transparent in his fundraising. he has played by the rules. This is leadership. This is the president we need.
Posted by: moderate | Oct 21, 2008 9:22:10 AM
Why is he asking the Russians for money then?
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
With the donors not being transparent, whose to say that Osama Bin Laden himself hasn’t hired 20 terrorists to contribute every minute of every hour every day to help Mr. Obama win.
What gives? Practice what you Preach Mr. Obama!
Bet we don’t know the truth about Rezko either.
Posted by: Mike | October 21, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
McCain flip-flops too.
He actually voted AGAINST his own immigration bill or something!
And not to mention the bailout. First he angrily decries it, then he supports it, THEN- here’s the whopper- he ADMITS HE HADN’T EVEN READ THE (then 3 page long) PROPOSAL!
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
This is a don’t care- RNC wants a list of names so it can do a hunt for a few troublesome entries that it can try and make hay with … anything that they do at this point is desperation. My suggestion is that they get out the vote and make sure Mickey Mouse and Tony Roma don’t show up- if their candidate wins then their candidate won.
Of course the perception is that Republican’s win by supressing the vote but they’ll be the first to tell you that’s all an ugly lie.
Posted by: Larry | October 21, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
Gray matter,
Spare me the reluctant saint Obama spin. He is an operator, a politician like any other. There is no special air around Obama. As you say, he did what he had to do to win. You are comfortable with that? He makes a promise, repeats it several times in primary debates and interviews, pledges to meet with his republican opponent and discuss it, then, when it suits him, he walks away from that inconvenient promise. Does this inspire confidence in you that he will keep the other promises he has made on the campaign trail? Not me. It reminds me of all the other flip flops he has executes, mostly right after clinching the nomination, far enough away from November, he hoped (correctly, it seems) to fade from voter memory by election time.
Posted by: moderate | October 21, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
Posted by: Bitter Business Owner | Oct 21, 2008 9:27:36 AM
Well my opinion is, the way McCain/Palin have stirred up the idiots and nut jobs, anything could happen.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Grey Matter.
Obama lied, he said he would use Public Financing and he didn’t.
Don’t try to spin out as some great move. It is one of many lies.
Like, Obama’s unifying message about rural people in PA “clinging to guns and religion”. Great unifying message there.
Just more Hypocrisy.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
You know, I love how fast a political party can change their tune when it so fits their agenda. A few elections ago, Republican’s were fighting to keep records and donors secret. Now when it fit’s their agenda, they scream for records and disclosure. The thing that I fault the American public for is, they think that the President is the be all end all of the political side they are voting for. This is not the case for the most part. Though the public faces may change, the people that work behind the scenes, the people who run the nuts and bolts, and conceive of the political illusions are the same. So what is the better way to look at what we are voting for? An actual person who is going to run the Government, or a Political Hierarchy that is already setup for the most part? Either side we vote, we vote for the same BS under a Different name and face.
cartoonahole
Posted by: cartoonahole | October 21, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
I care. With the so finacial crisis going on, it is hard to believe that the American people could donate such an enormous amount of money. $605 million dollars could have paid a lot of mortgages.
Posted by: Bob | October 21, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
I do care! Considering Obama’s past connections I really would like to know where all the money is coming from. I have received emails from the Obama campaign that said if I would give just $5.00 before midnight that they could multiply it with matching donors. So I could give $5.00 and get credit for $199.00. Where did the other $194.00 come from? Why do they need to have a surrogate giver? We are so stupid!
Posted by: 1post3 | October 21, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
This is so typical of the way McCain has run his campaign: agree to the rules up front, and then whine, cry and attempt to distract when the game goes badly for you.
McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for that 5% of the population and business community that earn far more than the other 95%, and opposed the cuts vigorously — until this campaign. Now, when Obama is essentially formalizing a plan to do the same thing, McCain is criticizing it as “socialism”. No principles in play here – just tactics.
On the sub-$200 donations, the confidentiality of small donors was perfectly fine, until 2 weeks before the election when McCain’s camp realizes that Obama has amassed enough money from individual small donations to let him really fight back effectively in battle ground states. Once again: agree to the rules up front, but whine and distract when you find yourself losing.
As others have pointed out in this thread, it’s likely that many who donated less than $200 did so with the assumption that their privacy would be maintained. Changing the rules after that fact is a violation of the privacy they have every right to expect.
Additionally, as others have pointed out, this makes each and every one of these people a target for competing campaigns — and we’ve witnessed, with the recent spate of misleading robo-calls, how access to voter contact information is abused by some of the more aggressive and amoral folks behind McCain’s campaign.
Considering that no law has been broken, and that these sub-$200 donors have every reasonable expectation of privacy, there is no legitimate reason to break this trust now when it’s purely a convenience for the losing GOP campaign effort.
Claiming, this late in the game after agreeing up front with it, that this is some kind of moral hazard, is yet another of the idiotic, disingenuous tactics that have actually soured much of the republican party on McCain and his campaign.
Desperation brings out the worst in people, and John McCain has illustrated that point all too effectively in recent weeks.
Posted by: Jon | October 21, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
At least mcSame has lots of good excuses for losing guys and gals!!!
You Bet YA
Posted by: Neil Snyderman | October 21, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
And, how can we tell those donations are all from PRO-AMERICA Americans?!
I can see the McCampaign trying to go over those millions of names with a fine-toothed comb to find ONE that comes from a person who once carried a protest sign against the Viet Nam War at a Weatherman Underground approved event, therefore proving once and for all that Barack HUSSIEN Obama is a terrorist. Or has poor judgement for not thoroughly vetting all his contributors. I mean his associates. I mean his BFFs.
Gimme a break. Go ahead and give them the names at this point. They can look at it after the election. It will keep them busy while they look for new jobs.
Posted by: MickP | October 21, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
I care. With the so finacial crisis going on, it is hard to believe that the American people could donate such an enormous amount of money. $605 million dollars could have paid a lot of mortgages.
Posted by: Bob | Oct 21, 2008 9:33:45 AM
Maybe, just maybe they don’t want another lying idiot in the WH.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
Many of us are aware that the Obama fundraising is legitimate. Their are literally millions of us donating. We see an upswing when Palin or Bachman speak. I have countless friends who have made donations, none of them approaching $2,300. Just small donors donating to a cause they fervently believe in. Each time the campaign of distortion sends out another misleading ad or speech or story, we donate.
Posted by: John | October 21, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
Smells like fraud to me.. Does ACORN take donations for Obama?
Why doesn’t anyone call this guy on this stuff?
Of course we should all care where this man has received $700 MILLION dollars.
That’s the kind of money that corrupts.
What a liar. Promises he’s going to take public funds, then flip-flops and says “show me the money” instead.
crook. crook. crook.
This is the biggest pulling of wool over the eyes of Americans that has ever happened, ever!
What ever happened to electing a candidate who’s honest? Because it’s not Mr. Obama that fits that description!
Here’s a short article that shows what we need in a President:
Posted by: Dan | October 21, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
Anyone in PA who votes for Obama is a fool. After he insults your whole state with the cling to guns comment.
It makes me laugh at the blind following. Insult me and my state but I’ll still vote for you.
Fools.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Sure, I’m comfortable with that. I’d do anything to prevent the disaster that is McCain/Palin set any foot near the White House and run the country even further into the ground.
Obama did apologize for his change of mind, but it isn’t exactly a moral barometer- not like he said he would support the GI Bill and later did not (McCain, by the way, did not support this bill). It was tactics. Many of his supporters WERE dismayed, but now they see that it was a wise decision.
I’m not saying he’s a saint or whatnot. I don’t want a President who sticks so stubbornly to something even when it has been proven wrong all looks to be a bad decision- Bush for one. Lincoln “flip-flopped” too, you know.
On guess what? Slavery. He had pledged not to force the end of slavery. And would all of you agree that that was a bad thing? You need someone who also takes facts into consideration and adjusts accordingly to deal with changing situations.
Obama, however, has stayed to his message, and has not pounced on things like the Keating 5, McCain’s affair with Cindy while still married, or said anything over McCain asking the Russians for money- which I have no doubt McCain would have blown out of proportion had that happened to Obama.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Like, Obama’s unifying message about rural people in PA “clinging to guns and religion”. Great unifying message there.
Just more Hypocrisy.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | Oct 21, 2008 9:32:37 AM
Well us PA people got over that comment. He is ahead in this state 12-15%.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
If the BUSH economy didn’t stink to high heaven I would send more to OBAMA…
OBAMA BIDEN 08
Posted by: Aaron Freeman | October 21, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
As someone you donated less than $200 I really don’t want my info revealed.There’s to much hate coming from the Repubs.and I don’t want the hassle,harrasment or possibly worse.That’s probaly why the law is written the way it is.
It’s a shame but true.
As far as transparency I would be more interested in the truth about McCain’s medical records than folks that made small donations to either candidate.
Here’s something for McCain,”there’s not a lot of people even listening anymore,and the ones that are hear a new lie eveyday”.Why don’t you at least come up with a good one and stick to it.I disagree with McCain on just about everything and that doesn’t make me less “American”or “patriotic” than anyone else.
The attitude that anyone who’s different or disagrees is an enemy of America is why McCain is to dangerous to be President.Is this what America is really about.
Posted by: voter1956 | October 21, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
To clarify, he has made an ad about Keating 5, but he’s not flogging it at every speech unlike McCain over the whole Ayers thing.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Well us PA people got over that comment. He is ahead in this state 12-15%.
Posted by: Jwench | Oct 21, 2008 9:38:07 AM
Priceless, we got over it. HA! What do you do when someone insults your family, invite them over for dinner…LOL
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
It makes me laugh at the blind following. Insult me and my state but I’ll still vote for you.
Fools.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | Oct 21, 2008 9:37:35 AM
The people of PA are not going to cut off their noses to spite their face, unlike some of you other fools. We are voting for who we think will get us out of this mess we are in. And yes, we will even vote for the black guy because most of PA are not ignorant idiots.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Up until about a month ago I was an under $200 person…
but all the bS the McCain camp has been throwing around has put me *well* over that milestone.
So, guess I’m listed now. Bully for you! These stupid attacks got me so annoyed that I gave over twice as much money in the past two months than I had in over a year…
smart campaigning.
Posted by: Rianeliza | October 21, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Joe Detroit,
I agree that was an unwise comment of Obama to make. He has apologized, and he has not kept on bringing up how “bitter” some people are at rallies, has he? Unlike a CERTAIN someone who said she enjoyed visiting the “pro-American” parts of America. Or SOMEONE’S spokesperson who said that the Northern part of Virginia was not “Real Virginia” because it was not as “Southern in nature.” Or who said the choice on Nov 4th was “Country First or Obama First”.
If I were a Republican, I would be furious that McCain is insinuating that perhaps my Democratic friend and Democratic cousin is less-then patriotic for supporting the Democratic ticket.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Priceless, we got over it. HA! What do you do when someone insults your family, invite them over for dinner…LOL
Posted by: Joe Detroit | Oct 21, 2008 9:40:58 AM
Some of us aren’t moronic. I don’t agree with everything he says, but I also believe he will do this country some good.
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Jwench.
That’s the problem no president will get us out of an economical problem.
Ask any economist and most will say we need moderate regulation and less government involvement.
The Bailout was a mistake, we should have let those companies fail. Others would have took heed and began operating more responsibly.
That’s the problem with Obama’s plan. It is not economically sound to raise taxes in a recession. On anyone. But yet no one brings this up, it is suppressed.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Obama is a fraud. It’s smoke and mirrors. Time will soon tell.
Posted by: msa123 | October 21, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Listen.
I don’t think Palin was a great choice. She lacks experience and she not as good an orator as Obama or Biden.
But, no one questions Obama’s lack of experience. This hypocrisy is just ridiculous.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
I have a good reason, as one of those ‘foreign’ donors,
Why they have not give out our names…how about privacy? That if I want to donate a small amount of money it is none of anybody’s business. Like voting it should be private. OH I forgot, the RNC and GOP don’t care about the rights of people.
I’m an American living in Canada…. I have donated 450.00, when Obama wins I will be proud to be an american again. Go Obama!
Posted by: Lynn | October 21, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
I am one of the undisclosed donors and could care less if it’s made public or not.
We are making sure Obama does not need or want government welfare to run his campaign like McCain
Posted by: watching | October 21, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Dear Jake,
Oh stop. Obama agreed to take public financing if an agreement could be reached to limit 527 expenditures, which McCain would not agree to. Your effort to paint Obama as having “gone back on his word” is inaccurate and you of all people should know better. Further, the last time I looked the percentage of undisclosed donors by the McCain campaign, as a percentage of donations, was about two percentage points higher that the percentage of undisclosed donations to the Obama campaign. It is becoming axiomatic in this campaign that every hysterical McCain attack on Barack Obama turns out, surprise, to be an attempt to hide a weak spot of McCain’s by attacking Obama first. What they are counting on is that the public and much of the press will not look too closely or think to look back at the McCain campaign to wonder why they are going there. I am surprised that you have bought into this one, when the facts appeared so each to check and debunk.
Posted by: Arthur | October 21, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Michelle Obama, said “she was for the first time proud of her country”.
Doesn’t that concern you that a potential first lady wasn’t proud of her country?
I don’t understand this blind following.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Jwench.
That’s the problem no president will get us out of an economical problem.
Ask any economist and most will say we need moderate regulation and less government involvement.
The Bailout was a mistake, we should have let those companies fail. Others would have took heed and began operating more responsibly.
That’s the problem with Obama’s plan. It is not economically sound to raise taxes in a recession. On anyone. But yet no one brings this up, it is suppressed.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | Oct 21, 2008 9:45:44 AM
I guess you think we should use the same old tired trickle down nonsense that hasn’t worked in how many years.
My vote is going for Obama and that goes for my entire family as well.
The rest of you Obama supporters, fight the good fight. I need to get to bed, I worked all night. Have a wonderful day!
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Joe Detroit,
People have. Take a look at the papers.
That was primarily one of Obama’s weaknesses. That’s why he picked Sen. Joe Biden. And even then, I say he has spent at least ten years in public service- Illinois Senate then US Senate, much more then Palin.
And he seems intelligent and thoughtful, he’s also pragmatic and appears to have a good grasp of foreign policy- as seen from the debate and interviews. I like how he appreciates the nuances of things like the War on Terror and he understands you can’t try to just win it with bullets, and that there is a distinction between different radical Islamic groups and you have to deal with each one a little differently to get rid of them.
To me, what I am worried is that Gov. Palin is not experienced. And McCain has had melanoma three times already, and considering his advanced age, it’s quite risky. Obama studied law and political science-Palin got a degree in journalism. I am not belittling her degree, but what Obama studied qualifies him more for the Presidency and he has Biden by his side. Think about that- are you confident of a President Palin?
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
I hear the list itself (of supporters willing to give money) is a very valuable thing. But rest assured, 3 or 4 million people giving 25 or 15 dollars when they can to a politician over a period of 6 months- WE are the ones who made this happen. And I personally would like to stay private so noone else asks me for any money! lol
Posted by: Preed 1962 | October 21, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Jwench – see a repub and dem can have a civilized conversation.
I don’t beleive in trickle-down theory.
I think a flat-tax percentage is the best solution.
Everyone pays 10% for example. Then the person who makes pays more but not disproportionately (sp?). But this option isn’t on the table.
So not raising taxes in a recession is the next best solution. GO McCAIN – 2008!
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
lets make the votes on Nov. 4 public also via searchable database.
Posted by: Richard Cheney | October 21, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Joe Detroit,
http://mediamattersaction.org/swiftboating/factsheet#4
Here is the ENTIRE quote:
In a February 18 speech, Michelle Obama told a crowd in Wisconsin, “What we’ve learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. … And let me tell you something — for the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I’ve seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic, common issues, and it’s made me proud.”
Posted by: Jwench | October 21, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
These continuous, false, divisive tactics by the Republicans are sickening me and dividing our nation. I am one of those undisclosed Obama donors. I gave 50 dollars, six times. Wait, make that 7.
Posted by: CB | October 21, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Grey Matter.
Honestly I am not thrilled with either choice.
But I know who will be in office from day one, either McCain or Obama. I agree Obama is very articulate and he graduated cum laude from Harvard. So he is intelligent.
His economical plan is all wrong though and it risks putting us into a majore recession. So my vote goes with McCain, with a possibility of Palin being president, which I doubt and hope doesn’t happen.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
I should not be surprised. I have heard some people say how they feel ashamed of America- because of what Bush has done and dragged the country’s name through the mud with the Iraq fiasco.
Some said they also felt shameful that America did not intervene in Rwanda.
But that doesn’t mean they’re not proud of AMERICANS and don’t love their country. They’re just disappointed witht the direction the country has gone.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Debating the virtues of Obama donors vs. McCain donors makes about as a much sense as debating whether to eat in the dining room or order room service on the Titanic’s maiden voyage.
As I listen over and over again to the trembling words from Joe Biden’s dire warning about the world crisis we will face in the first six months of an Obama administration, I am upset to the point of distraction. Please, Mr. Biden, tell us what you mean!!!
Posted by: Bitter Business Owner | October 21, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Jwench.
I have heard the full context before. I didn’t take it out of context.
So she wasn’t proud of her country when Clinton was in office either?
This doesn’t make me feel any better. She said it and meant it. I think that statements like that are devisive.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Joe Detroit,
My opinion is that we have to stabilize the middle-class. When they have more money, then they have greater purchasing power once more. And I’m uncomfortable with McCain’s foreign policy. I’m also concerned how he would pay for the Iraq war- we owe the Chinese over one trillion already. We spend about $10 billion in Iraq every month.
Aside from that, I appreciate being able to have a civil conversation with you even though we do not agree. It is quite saddening that the election has led to lots of ugly insults thrown at each other by supporters of both siades.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
From Politico: if he discloses the names of his donnors they can be hit with requests by other democratic candidates.
Posted by: joe | October 21, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Grey Matter, I guess you will chock it up to just another “tactic” when President Obama reneges on his promise to give tax cuts to the bottom 95% of the workforce. I mean it’s not like Sen. Obama said he would filibuster any bill that gives the telecommunications companies retroactive immunity and then changed his mind and actually voted for the bill…OH! That’s right, he did do that!!
Posted by: James Danley | October 21, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
I don’t care. I’m one of those people, a teacher, who gives what I can.
There are a lot of people like me who are in the under $200 range. The McCain campaign is just trying to find a way tar Obama.
Posted by: cincyr | October 21, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
If you look at the polls and the reports from Trapper that 30% of the vote is in cast as absentee, one has to realize that the election is over. Obama has taken it.
Those absentee ballots are processed via the electronic voting machines in places like Florida. A Princeton professor showed three days ago that those machines can be rigged in under 5 minutes. I have read that in New Jersey the machines show up with totals already in them. Some counties the last election had more voters than registered voters.
We should fund ACORN to look into fixing that. Maybe flood the counties with bogus registrations so that any count that is produced will work.
There are videos out of Obama supporters beating and assaulting McCain supporters in New York. The dirtiest campaign in history.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Grey Matter.
Excellent civilized exchange. I think if people didn’t get so emotional more understanding would occur.
The Chinese debt issue is a major problem, not to mention tainted products we receive from them.
Here is the thing, I know several business owners that employ 50 or people. Once Obama’s tax plan takes effect they are going to cut jobs to make up for the cost of increased taxes.
Most responsible will cost-cut to save aas some are barely making it now. That iis my biggest economical concern with Obama.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
James Danley,
I do not blindly follow things. I do not agree with Obama 100% on everything. But I agree with him far more then I do McCain, and I think he has what it takes to lead America in a new and better direction.
We can’t see the future, and if he’s going to renege on his plan, I would like a good explanation. How do you know McCain won’t renege on his?
Simple, no one does. But based on what I see and know, I think Obama is the better candidate.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
ei, McCain, you dont have to ask who donated those to Obama. I am one of them and i am a nurse who is trying to make a living and is not happy with what the republicans is doing. I am sure that there are countless more people like me who gave 10, 20 or 50 dollars or more… just to be sure that you and Palin does not bring more misfortunes to all of us…
Posted by: Jeremy | October 21, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Joe Detroit,
I guess this boils down to our views on big or small government, and it is debatable on both sides.
What I am questioning is how is McCain going to pay for all his programs? If we still stay in Iraq and the govt isn’t collecting more money from taxes.
If I am not wrong, I thought the smaller business owners- most make under $250 000- will be getting a tax cut.
McCain’s flip flopping on the bail out is what really made me wary. He first said he didn’t agree with it, then he endorsed it, then after that he said he hadn’t even read the 3 pg long report yet. To me, he seemed rather impulsive- I have to admit, my opinion is that Sarah Palin was more of an impulse pick too. Obama seemed to me to be more calm and steady, while McCain did not seem to look before he leapt.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Jake asks: “Have you heard one? Do you care?”
I’m in the I Don’t Care camp. These donors are Obama’s and he is free to do what he likes with them. Kerry didn’t publish his donors in 2004.
This is another, in a long series, of campaign stunts by the increasingly irrelevant McCain campaign. His shenanigans have done nothing to further his cause, and only increase his negatives. He doesn’t seem to understand that Obama, like Reagan, is the Teflon Candidate.
McCain campaign, and its surrogates, have tried to smear Obama as a baby killer, terrorist, closet muslim, empty suited celebrity, unpatriotic, etc., etc. All this has accomplished is an increasingly divided electorate, a fraction of which is becoming increasingly homicidal and violent.
I’m sincerely looking forward to an end of this election, and the swearing in of a President Obama. What a glorious day that will be.
Posted by: ChrisNBama | October 21, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
One has to realize that Obama has won it and we have handed the country over to people who do not like us – Pelosi, Reid, Barney Franks, Obama.
Biden is predicting chaos. We will pull out of Iraq and let Iran take it. Obama says that Israel will no longer determine foreign policy. I guess that means we let Iran finish them off through the funds they pour int Hamas and Hezoblah.
My hope is all of those people who sent in checks, get more back on their tax refund which is buying this election.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
I am once again shocked but not shocked at claims by John McCain Campaign!!
Barack Obama never, never ever signed any form he would take public financing. John McCain made a mistake and did sign form and he was obligated to use. Obama mentioned couple times, maybe more he would probably be inclined. Just before announcement Obama and McCain Campaign met regarding this. McCain knew Obama may not.
In America we are entitled to change our minds as long as we have not signed anything legally. We do it all the time!!
Why did Obama stay with private and take a chance – yes big chance???? He realized he would be fighting Republican Machine and the money of the Republican super rich who get preferential treatment for their interests. Republicans have a war chest of money, much more than Democrats.
There is no law for submitting small donors. That is why Barack Obama does not submit these donors.
Why are Republicans asking for this list?? Why are they complaining??? Why do they want the names??? Are they going to get and call each and everyone using their horrible terrorist, racial, baby killer, etc accusations??? This is one reason – known as fact.
This is just a complaint!!! There will be problems with each candidates. To be expected. But system is good.
Everyone should be praising Barack Obama for all he has done during this campaign. They said he couldn’t but he did. Why – because he had faith in us – we are responding!!! His donation raising campaign is awesome and wonderful!! I get great updates from them all the time. And I give every month.
For couple of weeks all we heard about was voter fraud. John McCain claims worst VOTER FRAUD TO HAVE HIT AMERICA!! Seemed to only be problems with registration of voters. Donald Duck hasn’t even committed voter fraud yet!!! Donald hasn’t voted yet!! Donald has to vote to commit voter Fraud!!
In California head of hired Republican group arrested for intentionally duping/causing voter party affiliation to be changed. Changing addresses, etc. Group is all across the country. Obama doesn’t attack for this!!! All we heard was ACORN, ACORN, ACORN. More than likely they were duped by their own voter registration employees who did not want to work and made up names to get money. All the experts on voter farud say voter fraud is rare. But with computer voting machine – with no paper trail – information can be deleted – many problem of machines for technical problems – one place in Virginia machine were broken into and as voters cast ballot machines automatically switched all votes over to Republican candidates. Huge complaints in Virginia??? Voters wanted printout of how they voted. Voters wanted proof. Finally machine shut down because person raised such a ruckus and went all way to top of government there!! These machines are disaster, as they are not a computer where you can still retrieve all information, record of when information changed. Republicans have done some things to create actual voter fraud!!! But no records!!!
Tell McCain Campaign to stop complaining!!! McCain is so erratic!! This man is running a horrible mean campaign!! Same Karl Rove Playbook that was played against him when he ran against Bush.
This white college educated female registered Republican has had it with John McCain and the Republican Party!!
Posted by: Sharonklim | October 21, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
He is not predicting chaos.
He is just saying all Presidents’ mettle will be tested by problems.
Has there been ANY US President in the past 100 years who has had not to deal with an international crises or a domestic one?
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Grey Matter.
Size of government is debatable.
For small business that make less than 250k, no tax increase which is a large NUMBER or quantity.
But the small businesses that generate jobs and employ 50 or more employees, they make more than 250k.
The 95% of small biz consist of many side-business, hobby-types and very low-revenue generating businesses. That would not employ many people anyway.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
today,
Yes, but McCain’s side is not completely guilt-free either. One Obama supporter had his car trashed with a rock, breaking the back window and graffiti sprayed on it, his Obama sticker ripped off. Some people got their tires slashed while attending an Obama rally. They had had Obama-Biden bumper stickers.
Both sides have had cases of misdemeanours.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
If we know nothing of Obama it is that he can tell some whoppers and breaks his promise without batting an eye. 150 million right in the middle of what Obama calls” the greatest crisis since the depression” is odd and since he seems to have enough to last him shouldn’t he tell his supporters that he has enough so go buy your family a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk?
Looks like we’ll get the best man that money can buy.
Posted by: david | October 21, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
See, people get it. Sweet, small town, honest, generous, hard working AMERICANS get it. We are all Joe the Plumber, and as such NOBAMA is our enemy.
There is a real disconnect between the media and supposed intellectuals/liberals. These people are so smart they cannot see how dumb they are, but ask any ‘average’ american (avoid Harlem though) and they can quote you pages on what is WRONG with Nobama.
This is really a universal historical fight between good and evil. Today it is just being fought with access to television/radio and money; a century ago it was fought with guns; 3 centuries ago fists.
Hopefully right will best wrong this year. We cannot be working hard enough to see this happen….
Posted by: HP Boston | October 21, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
As someone who has donated to Obama, I don’t want my info being released to RNC thugs.
Posted by: Joe | October 21, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Grey Matter, we agree on one thing: A President Obama will take us into a “new” direction. However, I don’t agree that it will be a better direction.
Posted by: James Danley | October 21, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
So if he does not publish who his small donors are, what would stop foreigners from donating millions in small increments? We already know that there is massive interest worldwide in weakening the U.S. via an Obama Presidency.
I am concerned we are seeing a win at any cost effort by the far left and their candidate. They seem to be attempting to buy this election on the front end and close with ACORN fraud on the back end.
Posted by: Dave | October 21, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Sharonklim – yes, Obama said he would sit down with McCain about public financing. He also checked that off on the paper work. Russert had it all. Search for the video “Sen. Obama agrees to meet Sen. McCain on public financing”
The dirtiest campaing ever. Financed by people who hate America.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Joe Detroit,
In my opinion, if we stabilize the middle-class and allow people to be able to afford things again more easily, then it would have a “trickle up” effect. People will have more purchasing power, and bring in more revenues for these business. Right now, these business that earn more then a quarter million may not have tax cuts, but at the same time their business has falled because of hard times. It’s pretty much two-way.
For these businesses, I suppose there is merit in not raising taxes on them. But for huge oil companies rolling in billions, I don’t see why we should give them a tax cut like what McCain would do, especially since they’ve profited from the stratospheric oil prices. It would be great if we did not have to raise taxes, but to me, we’re going to need to pay for programs one way or another, or if we want to continue fighting in Iraq, we cannot keep charging it to the Chinese-we have to pay the bill some day.
I trust Obama will review things carefully before making as he has shown himself to be pragmatic and deliberate.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Grey Matter – the battery is hopefully still a felony. Obama brought this on by telling people to “get in peoples faces” – great community organizing thug behavior. I am not whining. Obama has taken it. I consider the election done. We have given America to the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Barney Franks, Rev. Wright. Socialism would be a step up.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
anonymoose – interesting and insightful point you raise there. I am convinced of your solid thinking.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
James Danley,
That is your prerogative as a voter to decide which candidate will take the country in a new direction. But I hope the primary deciding factor is McCain’s policies and not about this donation fraud accusation. Kerry too did not disclose his donations. Obama has returned his donations that are not legitimate.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
When donors of less than $200 made their contributions, many would have assumed privacy since it’s common knowledge these donations aren’t reported.
Privacy is a very American concept.
Posted by: Danny | October 21, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
I do care. It seems it would be easy for someone to repeatedly donate under $200 and evade the limits.
Plus, he has promised to be transparent yet has never shown himself to be.
Posted by: MayBee | October 21, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
HP Boston – the real fraud will happen in the count at each precinct. the massive voter registration covers up the fact that the vote is already in. One does not want the count to be higher than the number of registered voters – ACORN has fixed that little problem.
Watch Florida and Ohio will come in with unbelievably high numbers.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
The Repubs want to do three things. First, create the false impression that rules are being broken. Second, scare small donors from donating. Third, intimidate small donors one by one after the election so Obama can’t repeat the feat in 2012.
Posted by: stan | October 21, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
HP Boston,
How about machines switching Obama votes to McCain in West Virginia? It is the GOP who is trying to force voter caging- things like foreclosures.
Honestly, as I’ve said earlier, I’d rather we got rid of this complicated electronic voting thing.
Electronic machines can be messed with and not be noticed easily. Just use PAPER BALLOTS and a pen/pencil. And ink to mark the finger.
Just count every ballot carefully, I don’t care if it means the results come out later, I would sooner have paper ballots.
Fox news is a right-leaning news and isn’t exactly unbiased. I’d rather get my info from a variety of sources.
Posted by: Grey Matter | October 21, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
As the election day comes closer it becomes even more difficult to stand more of this empty (sometimes outrageous) rhetoric from McCain campaign. I will be as happy to see Obama president as the end of this cheap McPain melodrama.
I am one of those <$200 donors. I wish I could have donated more.
Posted by: MRG | October 21, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
The democrats want to do three things. First, make us believe that small donors have contributed a billion dollars. Second, that there is no voter registration or voting fraud. Third, that your vote for socialism is only worth the $500 tax refund we are all going to get.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Danny – yes, I agree we have to preserver the privacy of the foreign contributors.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
The reason why Obama is not releasing his donor list is simple as it includes lots of fictious names who are covering for Palestinians, Saudi’s funding his campaign.
There is no way Obama is raising these funds from regular Americans, at 70% could be from foreign sources.
Posted by: Gregh | October 21, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Sorry – I do not mean to complain. The election is over. We get Pelosi, Reid, Barny Franks, Chuck Shumer, Biedn, and Obama.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Grey Matter.
You know maybe a better message would have been raising taxes on businesses making 5 Million a year. Not raising it on successful small businesses.
My only problem with Obama is his contradictions.
There was much criticism for McCain suspending his campaign to work on the Bail-out (which we shouldn’t have done anyway).
But now Obama suspends his campaign, rightfully so, to see attend to his grandmother. No criticism whatsoever.
I don’t like hypocrisy and that is what I see most of in coverage and vetting or lack thereof, of Obama.
Posted by: Joe Detroit | October 21, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
I agree with Stan’s comment on the 3 reasons republicans are doing this. The McCarthy-like hunt is on and they want their list. I’m on it by the way. FIrest time I’ve ever donated to a presidential election and this BS just made me donate more–to a congressional candidate.
Posted by: PJ | October 21, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
I am one of those small contributors. I don’t care, let it rip.
Posted by: Gene | October 21, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Jake, you SHOULD care. Obama is keeping them secret BECAUSE they are illegal donations. Made up names in order to avoid the contribution limit, AND FOREIGN donations. Every American should care. Our finance system was put in place to avoid exactly these types of problems. Obama subverted that, as usual. I find it amazing that YOU and the other members of the press seem to think that Obama walks on water and that’s quite all right for him to break laws, lie, twist and manipulate.
Instead its far more important for you all to discover Sarah Palin’s tanning bed and find out whether she’s the mother of her infant.
Posted by: Brenda | October 21, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
BrooklynGirl – thanks for taking it out on a McCain supporter. That sort of public beating will happen more often in New York as the Obama supporters get more into it. You really set a nice tone for the nation.
No need to argue the issues. Your show of force will more than do.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
We already know that there is massive interest worldwide in weakening the U.S. via an Obama Presidency.
Dave, how do we know that?
Posted by: annie | October 21, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
To raise $150MM in a month on $200 donations takes a lot of individual donations. That’s at least 750,000 individual donations or donors in 1 month. Is anyone really buying that?
The issue once again is hypocrisy. The Democrats fought for campaign finance reform when Republicans were able to raise more money from rich donors. Now that Obama is raising more money from unknown sources they are silent about the possibility of corruption. See no evil, hear no evil?
Obama’s people have to know what’s going on. The fact that they will not release records is curious if not suspicious.
If this election sis being bought and paid for by an individual or a small group of individuals, I think we all want to know that.
Posted by: Valerius | October 21, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
PJ – you make a great point about the McCarthy like hunt. Murtha has called his own constituents red necks and racists. Look at any one on the news shows. If one supports McCain they are qucikly shouted down. Watch msnc for 5 minutes. The witch hunt is on and it is led by a democrat with a torch in his hand.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Let’s see. In the middle of this economic crisis, while many people are loosing jobs, value of their 401K, and spending their savings to survive, the rich people are investing heavily on the cheap stocks. When the economy recovers with the help of everyone’s tax dollars, the rich will be even richer with their investments, the middle class will be trying to recover their losses working even harder. And, Today, you claim this is the way it should be, and Obama should not raise the tax of rich because it is socialism?
Obama’s tax policy is NOT socialism. This is necessary to balance and support the engine of this economy, the middle class.
Posted by: MRG | October 21, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
What did JFK do in hard times? Cut taxes. I didn’t know Jack Kennedy; he was not a friend of mine, but Mr. Obama is no Black Kennedy.
Re: tax “Big” Oil. What about the windfall taxes the government got out of high gas prices? It made a hell of a lot more “windfall profit” than the shareholders of the oil companies. What do you think oil companies or any other “Big” corporation does with profits? Do they have big rooms that they stash the money in and hire Scrooge McDuck to sit on top of the pile and count gold pieces? No, the money is invested in one form or the other into the Market. In short, money is the one and only Big Oil that keeps everything lubricated and in working order so that Mr. and Mrs. P can get all the private and governmental benefits they now feel entitled to.
Posted by: SideTrack | October 21, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Obama has won it. No use haggling over little issues like freedom.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Today, thanks for your one-sided commentary. Way to look at things from both perspectives. Or perhaps you assume that I live in the “Anti-American” part of the country and good ole HP Boston uses divisive language in an attempt to “unite” the country.
Sorry my tone doesn’t match those of the McCain/Palin rally participants. I’ll try really hard to be as nice as them….k?
Also, if you want to whine about sticking to issues…take your complaints to the McAyers camp.
Posted by: BrooklynGirl | October 21, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
BrooklynGirl – no I am agreeing with you. I think Ayers is a dandy guy. He fits right in with the Brooklyn democrats. If he set fire to your house, you might want to go for the windows as the judges family he tried to burn to death had both fron and back doors set on fire to keep them from exiting. Thoughtless republican neighbors must have saved them.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
They (the Repulicans) want the donor list so they can either A) robocall everyone on the list B) find a donor from a different country and equate Obama with terrorists. or C) Start a list of Obama supporters to add to their unpatriotic parts of America database. or D) All of the above.
I am a three time donor too. The limit is 2500 dollars not 200 dollars.
I don’t want my name given out to the Repulican terror machine. If I can vote in private I can donate in private.
Obamas database should remain secure. Those 100,000 people that attended his rally recently should feel secure in their own privacy.
Posted by: desertique | October 21, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
I didn’t hear Republicans complaining when George W. Bush was breaking fund raising records in 2000. If there were an Oscar for Best Faux Outrage, the McCain campaign would win it hands down.
Obama’s $150 million resulted from contributions by 3.1 million people who’ve had it up to here with Republican lies, distractions, divisiveness and distortions.
We’ve put our money where are mouths are and we’re going to keep on doing it.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 21, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
I have never given a candidate any contribution until this September, when I made a small donation to the Obama campaign because I am getting fed up with McCain’s tactics and his glorified, unqualified VP pick.
I am glad I made that donation, and I’m glad that the Obama campaign has not put my personal info on a searchable website. It’s nobody’s business who I give my money to! They have the legal records if they get audited; that’s sufficient. Asking them to put names and donation amounts in a public forum is just plain TERRIBLE. Shame on you, RNC!
Posted by: An Obama Donor | October 21, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Well, desertique, I respect your wish for privacy. It’s too bad Obama is going to make sure that workshop elections are no longer secret, when workers decide whether or not to be represented by unions. As Biden would say, “Think, literally, think” about it.
Posted by: JosephinePlumber | October 21, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
There is a real disconnect between the media and supposed intellectuals/liberals. These people are so smart they cannot see how dumb they are, but ask any ‘average’ american (avoid Harlem though) and they can quote you pages on what is WRONG with Nobama.
This is really a universal historical fight between good and evil. Today it is just being fought with access to television/radio and money; a century ago it was fought with guns; 3 centuries ago fists.
Hopefully right will best wrong this year. We cannot be working hard enough to see this happen….
Posted by: HP Boston | October 21, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
BrooklynGirl – by the way the supposed shout of “kill him” did not happen. The police and secret service take these things more seriously than democrats. They would have arrested any one who had said that. Look at the reports from teh secret service.
You can also look at the lovely Murtha democrat who is calling his own constituents racists – that is well documented.
OK, sorry do not mean to be picking on you, but you directly assaulted some one else.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Hey Today, sounds like you have a problem with Americans you don’t agree with…Todd Palin can perhaps help you out. Join his Alaska Independence Party and show that true American spirit. Then you can crawl out of your whole, rejoin the rest of the country, then criticize others for not being patriotic as you.
Isn’t that how it works in Republican upside down world? Smart is bad and stupid qualifies you for the highest office?
Posted by: BrooklynGirl | October 21, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Grey Matter, actually the primary factors for me supporting Sen. McCain are his experience and most of his policies (I agree with him only about 80% of the time). I am a strong believer in smaller government, Capitalism and the Free Market. While regrettably the Republican Party has reneged on its promise to shrink the size of the federal government, Sen. Obama will add an additional $1 Trillion in new entitlements. I believe Sen. Obama’s domestic policies will decimate the Free Market and turn our economy away from Capitalism and make a hard Left turn towards Socialism. And Sen. Obama’s plan for redistribution of wealth is nothing more than a punishment for success, which will obliterate the American Dream.
Posted by: James Danley | October 21, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Did anyone else notice that William Ayers donated 50 Bucks?
Posted by: ben | October 21, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
“Many will be deceived” Are we at this point in history? Could YOU be one of them? It is time for Americans to WAKE UP. Are you willing to take a CHANCE with your vote?
There Were a time when MOST ALL AMERICANS would FIGHT for FREEDOM of CHOICE. I am hearing alot about “more government” from the Democrats… More “freedom” from the Republicans. Where DO YOU think all this MONEY is pouring in from into the OBAMA camp? Aren’t you ONE BIT CONCERNED?
What about “THE REAL OBAMA” don’t you wonder and ask questions as an AMERICAN?
The media bluffs it off, so does the OBAMA camp as being NO BIG DEAL. ON THE SURFACE…it is NOT MUCH OF A DEAL. Jeremiah Wright is a showboat preacher. There are MANY showboat preachers all across America, black & white .Many of his remarks is VERY disturbing.
He is OBVIOUSLY against the WHITE AMERICAN…HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL?
Ayers is a SOMEWHAT reformed TERRORIST that has a position at a college… Obama knows him from college and has been on a few boards with him….NOT A BIG DEAL necessarily. These 2 men are about all you ever get from the media. Sounds benign enough BUT AMERICANS…there is more to it…THIS IS THE PART THAT YOU NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. OBAMA HAS SEVERAL CONNECTIONS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE WORSE TERRORIST AGAINST CHRISTIANS & AMERICANS (BLACK & WHITE) OVERSEAS. He lives in the very neighborhood with several of them. Don’t YOU care? Do YOU associate with evil as a good law abiding American? ALL THIS COULD BE CLEARED up if OBAMA would release his college records and come clean about ALL the people involved all the way to the #1 Terrorist overseas (which is linked straight to the devil) If OBAMA is a TRUE CHRISTIAN, a TRUE AMERICAN then he should FEEL the CONCERN instead of grinning everytime ask about it. Many questions are STILL unanswered. We don’t neccessarily need to know about Jeremiah Wright & Ayers, we NEED THE DEEPER TIES ANSWERED. The media doesn’t ASK for the “DEEPER” to be uncovered. Why did this smart young Lawyer take a job for $12,000. yr. SOUNDS LIKE GROOMING FOR SOMETHING BIGGER TO ME.
AMERICANS, CAN YOU WITHSTAND THE CHANGE IF IT COMES WITH AXIS OF EVIL ATTACHED?
I hope NO ONE is DECEIVED. Could Obama be decieved himself…could he be playing with fire and NOT know it until elected? I pray that these things COULD NOT, WOULD NOT be so. I AM NOT GETTING THE ANSWERS I NEED. I WILL NOT TAKE A CHANCE FOR AMERICA’s SAKE, MY FAMILIES SAKE OR MY SAKE. What about you?
BTW, this post is not party driven…I am a registered Democrat. this post is not race driven…OBAMA is 1/2 white and 1/2 black.
God be with us ALL…ALL over this world.
Posted by: Amazed | October 21, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
BrooklynGirl – Alaska sounds better than Washington to me. I was a democrat. I cannot think of a reason why I would want to spend the day with Pelosi, Reid, Barney Franks, or Biden. Obama is interesting.
Hey, I know Obama has won. Most hard left democrats still do not believe it. I know where we are going.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
I do not care! McCainiacs are mad b/c people like me, who donated under $200, did not donate to them. And there are a lot of us! So deal with it. Maybe we don’t want our names disclosed so you dirty freaks don’t start robocalling us or you send you crazies out to harass us. We believe in something better than what we’ve had. We deserve a brilliant leader…not an old washed up one and an absolute baffoon VP who sounds like Bush. I voted for Obama yesterday…and it felt good…really good.
Posted by: Stephanie | October 21, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
“If Obama is buying the election, or Acorn is committing voter fraud, who cares? It all helps to defeat the evil Republicans. So it’s ok to cheat.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | October 21, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Speaking as a European observer, do you Americans really want more fanatics like Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid to have free rein? That appears in the offing with an Obama victory. So much for checks and balances, what?
Posted by: Jeeves | October 21, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Battleground: Obama 48%, McCain 47%
Don’t believe the hype; vote.
Posted by: Kriuk | October 21, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
“Speaking as a European observer, do you Americans really want more fanatics like Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid to have free rein? That appears in the offing with an Obama victory. So much for checks and balances, what?”
Checks and balances were scoffed at when the Republicans held all branches.
Their criminal reign must be ended.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Jake,
Maybe you ought to point out that Obama has disclosed a much higher percentage of his donors than McCain has. McCain has nearly twice as many (as a percent) undisclosed donations as Obama has, and many more that lack full information.
Posted by: Mike | October 21, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
“by the way the supposed shout of “kill him” did not happen.”
There were two instances of that happening.
One is heard on video.
The other was reported by a reporter.
The one reported by the reporter is unconfirmed.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
“I didn’t hear Republicans complaining when George W. Bush was breaking fund raising records in 2000. If there were an Oscar for Best Faux Outrage, the McCain campaign would win it hands down.”
Of course not, Republicans are craven hypocrites.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 21, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
BrooklynGirl – no one is apologizing. Bush is not running this year – except I guess in Brooklyn. I think the republicans should have run Romney. It was that goofy Huckabee that messed up this election. You probably watch him on Fox. See you on the A line.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Thank you Ryan C. The denial from McCain’s apologist is laughable especially considering their threats were caught on video.
Pathetic…and it’s exactly why they’re about to experience a crushing defeat!
Posted by: BrooklynGirl | October 21, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Jake writes,”Obama, of course, opted out of public financing despite an earlier pledge to do so, an issue of real contention for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who (rightly) feels it’s a broken promise Obama hasn’t gotten much heat for from either the media or government reform proponents.”
Get ready for more of the same, friends. Biden warned you yesterday.
Posted by: BrooklynSlob | October 21, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Today, Bush’s policies are still in the running which is being supported by McCain, not just in Brooklyn but the entire country (plus Alaska).
Enjoying all the money that we’re pouring into Iraq? How’s that Wall Street crisis treating you? Think those tax cuts to the richest Americans will alleviate this crisis? Well honey, that’s apparently what you’re supporting…a third Bush term. Unless you’re voting against Obama for personal reasons, Mr “I’m a Democrat” (sarcasm off)
Posted by: BrooklynGirl | October 21, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
I started donating as soon as Palin was picked. $100 at a time, $250 last week, then I went all in yesterday for the max of $2,300. Palin is Obama’s biggest fundraiser.
Posted by: KC | October 21, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have.
Posted by: Gerald Ford | October 21, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
A lot of democrats are interested in pay back. Brooklyn is close to Wall Street where greed is king.
Posted by: today | October 21, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Both parties are distracting each other!!!
At least fair and balance media recognized that.
The election is over…Obama won and now I can just stay home 24/7 and wait for my tax rebate and well, maybe I will work just part time, do nothing and depend on the redistribution wealth from those that are really working hard for me.
Oppss… I gotta go. My fictional characters such as Mickey Mouse, the dead goldfish, etc. are on. I better watch it to show my support.
What a great Socialist country I am in!!! Thank you.
Posted by: INDEPENDENT | October 21, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
I think we should take all rich people’s money away from them and pay for slavery.
If we can land a person on Mars, I don’t see why my babies and me aren’t entitled to free health care.
I think we ought to tax Big Corporations and make them cut prices so that everything costs less.
My babies and me are entitled to an affordable house. If I cannot pay because of the criminal acts of George Bush, my babies and I are entitled to money to pay for that house.
My babies and me are entitled to free education and free day care starting NOW! I am entitled to a government salary with paid vacation and a pension for taking care of my babies everyday.
Food is too expensive. The government should make food cheaper NOW! And we need more food stamps NOW!
There are a lot of other changes that need to be made NOW! so that this great country and our brave fighting troops can be what they used to be before Bush and the Rethuglicans turned our country into a police state.
Vote NOW! Vote OFTEN! anything to get the filthy rich thugs out of power. NOW!
This is What’s In Store, and this message has been approved – that’s all you need to know.
Posted by: Zucchina | October 21, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
A serious issue has been raised. Some of the random donors to Obama’s campaign have been checked out and deemed suspicious. For instance a donation of $100 from jsufnvb sjsojhf, in Anywhere, MS and False names with addresses that do not exist in Boston.
Another questionable donor was from Hatem El-Hady, chairman of Kindhearts foundation in Ohio is on FBI watch list. This “charity” was shut down and all assets frozen by U.S. Treasury dept due to funneling $$ to terrorist group Hamas.
El-Hady had a dedication page on Obama’s website. when this story broke about him, the story vanished in April 2008.
When a candidate has been endorsed by such terror groups as Hezbollah, Hamas and FARC, and there are no safe guards put into place, it is resonable to assume that many donations coming in with false names and addresses are cover for $$ sent in by these terorist supporters.
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Posted by: James Everitt | October 21, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
There have been tens of thousands of illegal foreign donations to Obama’s campaign, totaling tens of millions of dollars. And, those are just the foreign ones we know about. There are more we don’t know about,and obviously illegal donations from the US as well.
Do I care? Of course I care. Who wouldn’t care about Obama attempting to steal the election using illegal money. Obama belongs in prison, not in the White House.
Posted by: EyeDoc | October 21, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Obama follows the FEC rules on disclosure.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some people have given money under the $200 ceiling because they DON’T want their name, street address and Google map directions supplied to the entire online world, including some of the people who hate, and I use the word carefully, Obama and his supporters. Especially the ones who call Obama and his supporters ‘baby killers’.
What are you encouraging, Jake?
Posted by: Tom J | October 21, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Thanks to his arab friends in over seas who are helping him to win this election.
Posted by: nancy sabet | October 21, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Zucchinia, great post!
I was/am a single mom, now married, who got $60 per month child support. I made it and did not expect the U.S. government to support me, or my illegitmate child. I was on welfare for 1 1/2 yrs going to college, then started working and became a taxpayer…one of the ten percent who pay all the taxes in this country.
Posted by: jaamn | October 21, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
This is ridiculous. The idea of transparency is not about the 200 dollar donator. Wow McCain is really getting desperate!
Posted by: bobbie | October 22, 2008, 4:14 am 4:14 am
We do know some of the small donor names…Daffy Duck, Sadaam Hussein, Bart Simpson… People using pre-paid credit cards can use any name they please. Foreign donors- no problem. The contributions go through.
Jake, do you care if foreigners are allowed to make donations? People should care, but they don’t.
Whether Obama wins or not (and appears he will) the FEC should investigate…this sets a dangerous precedent.
Posted by: pecanpii | October 25, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
If Obama has nothing to hide then why is he so secretive about this issue
Also, $150 million in one month. If he can do that then why cant he raise $150 million for something that would benefit everyone, eduaction, feeding the hungry, children that are homeless.etc…..Why is all this money spent when our vote does not even count. Correct me if i am wrong….it is all based on electoral votes & the electoral reps can vote anyway they choose despite the popular vote….i don’t bank on everything that CNN says is true but it was on the news when Gore lost……WHY VOTE IF IT DOES NOT COUNT FOR ANYTHING
Posted by: James Smith | October 28, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm