Tough Crowd for Obama at Cape Fear BBQ and Chicken*

Obama is going to experience prejudice but he is a very strong personl and can handle it.
He is the Jackie Robinson if his time and Jackie Robinson was called the “N” word to his face but he still remain cool and collected.

I hope the next time I see the name Diane Fanning it will at the unemployment office.

One wonders if some of these people even know what socialism is? Why is she so afraid?

And this is my friend what the Republican party has become: The mean “Rush Limbaugh Party.” See?

Fanning will soon have her own show on Fox.

You cant just change some people in the south! and the Elderly in the south will never change! that is just the way it has been and will be, lets hope the younger generation will be a blow out for Obama in the southeren states!

Obama said ICE agents who arrest illegals are terrorists.
Obama supports reverse racial discrimination by supporting affirmative action.
Affirmative action in collages will continue forever with an Obama supreme court.
Obama with 60 dem senators will be able to put the most far left justices on the court.
Enough already.
Obama at a san francisco fundraiser said small town americans were racists and cling to guns and god.
Obama is allowed to say anything. The press adores Obama and he is America’s new hugo chavez.

Just one example of the kind of idiots who still think George Bush is doing a great job.

Dan–
Obama did not say racist, he said bitter, guns and religion. Get your fact straight.
And by the way, he was right on all counts. They are bitter and they do cling to the second amendment as if it were their baby and all decisions are made by the false religions that they worship.

So when Diane Fanning is eligible to collect her Social Security checks in a few years, she is going to yell
Socialist, Socialist, get out of here!” and refuse to accept them? This country has many examples of socialist policies already in place that constitute redistributing the wealth– Social Security, Medicare, sales taxes, highway taxes, etc. Fanning is simply regurgitating the current Republican talking points which are specifically designed to inflame such ignorant people.

I am so worn out with this charge of “socialist”. Most people that use it have only the vaguest idea what that term means. Do they understand the social programs that so may count on such as Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid could be considered socialist? But as long as the world is full of mean-spirited, selfish, and ignorant people, some social safety nets must be legislated in order for us to have a civilized society. Thank God the majority of people can see the benefit of cooperation and standards of fairness in the large and diverse country that we are.

Goverment election money is not “welfare” like Obama is proposing by spreading the wealth. It is a choice most people make on their tax return to give $3 to the presidential election fund. Seems if more democrates knew anything about taxes you wouldnt’ be voting to “spread the wealth” and could understand that if corporate taxes increase, jobs will be cut, product costs will increase. 40% of americans pay no taxes, the other 55% won’t need a tax cut if they are unemployed. Do your research, democrats prey on the stupid.

I have the utmost respect for Obama doing retail politics talking with regular people on all sides. Whatever the risks with this woman or Joe the plumber he’s down to earth taking the pulse of the nation…UNSCRIPTED

SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE ARE SOCIALISM.
I guess all this gray beards are saying they no longer want to accept government “welfare.”
Idiots.

Obama called small town americans racists.
Obama said small town americans are anti immigrant.
Obama with his stupid smirk say Hillary is likable enough.
Obama said small town americans have antipathy for people that don’t look like them.
Watch what Obama does when the cameras aren’t on not when they are on.
When the cameras aren’t on Obama has no class.
When the cameras aren’t on he calls small town americans racists.
When the cameras weren’t on brought his kids to hear hate speech from Wright.

What’s racist that in 2008 we still have affirmative action.
Obama wants affirmative action for even illegals.
Obama said he is for in state tuition benefits for collages to illegals.
Obama wants to use the justice department to free the JENNA 6 punks.
Obama said ICE agents were terrorizing illegals by arresting them in raids.
Obama insulted law enforcement.

the best revenge is a successful life-and in this case a succesful presidencey-I feel sorry for those who are blind by choice-but it is time to move on-and yes our country will see to the needs of those people as well as the needs of its more rational voter-because we will be a better country than we have been in the last 8 years-she may be able to retire instead of working at wallmart in her oldage

Guess that woman screaming “Socialist” is one of Palin’s good ole “true” Americans. Sorry, this sort of division of this country by the Republicans can only lead to worse things down the road. McCain and Palin need to bring people together, not continue to drive a wedge betweens regions of this country. At this point we have an election between “Socialists” (Democrats) and “Neo-Nazis” (Republicans). What has happened to this country??????????

Jeff, what do you call it when a subperforming white son and grandson of admirals gets admitted to the Naval Academy? What do you call it when the subperforming son and grandson of U.S. Senaotr’s get admitted to their alma mater, Yale? Affirmative action?
What do you call it when a white claims he did not get admitted to a given college because of affirmative action?
Excuses!

liberati-
The McCain strategy of turning everything they do around and saying Obama is the one really doing it has not worked.
It just makes all our heads hurt. You know and I know your candidate is a closet racist and his running mate is mentally deficient. Their campaign is the epitome of sleaze and lies and the GOPoopers are just made cuz they are getting their behinds kicked.

Wow, I was always taught to treat others with respect and I do even if I don’t agree with them.
This woman is a disgrace to those who raised her and is certainly no positive role model for her kids and grandkids.
Debbie from Michigan (age 51)

Over the last 25 years most of the middle class wealth has been transferred to the riches 2%. We need to give the middle class an opportunity to bring back some of that wealth. Why do republicans think it is okay to transfer the wealth to the rich, but to move some of that wealth back to those who do most of the work socialism. The funny part, most of the republicans don’t have a clue about what is really happening. They all think in their minds that they are included those top 2% of the wealthiest, when in fact they are the pawns of rich. What is wrong with making it easier for the middle class to acquire wealth. Over the years of republican control, this country has made it easier for the rich to get richer on the back of the middle class. They have just raided the middle class pension plans of trillions of dollars. That’s not socialism, that fairness.

Most of america doesn’t care with barrack obama is purple pink or orange.its about his leadership, ideas and the direction he is going to take this country-we now have socialism in our financial system-do to runaway greed and lack of enforcement of the regulations that currently exist-and i would suggest this exchange has more to do with pointing out how much our education system is failing than any shortcomings of Obama.

So when Diane Fanning is eligible to collect her Social Security checks in a few years, she is going to yell
Socialist, Socialist, get out of here!” and refuse to accept them? This country has many examples of socialist policies already in place that constitute redistributing the wealth– Social Security, Medicare, sales taxes, highway taxes, etc. –mila
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Excellent points.
I would add that it doesn’t speak well for the Republican party or the McCain-Palin campaign that many of their supporters can’t disagree without being disagreeable. And what exactly does Diane Fanning think socialism is? Most successful developing countries have elements of socialism, including the U.S.
If we have a failing economy and continue to borrow money to spend revenue that we don’t have, it won’t really matter how we label ourselves.

Racer01–
If you think all this goes away if McCain wins, you are also sadly mistaken.
We won’t sit still for another election being stolen.

What has happen today. Powell endorsed Obama. Obama reported raising 150 million in August. Polling suggest Obama won over some conservatives as well as Independents in the debate. Obama campaign in North Carolina a tradition Republican safe state, with a message of unity. I guess the copy and paste brigade has there work cut out for them…(pun intended).

To Mary
I guess you forgot that Chavez got in power by military power and overthrowing a dictator, supported by the U.S., who concentrated power to the wealthy. That is why Venezuelans support him. Chavez is in power because we supported injustice to maintain control in Latin America. See Chile for another wonderful example of American policy in Latin America.

As a Hillary worker and campaigner-I was called everything and anything by Obama SUPPORTERS-not the obama campaign-and EVEN in my extreme anger-i was able to put that in its proper place and decide what was in the best interest of the country-and i believe Obama can do that

Obama went to wright and nodded as he said zionism is racism.
Obama brought his kids to watch Farakkan get awards.
Obama brought his kids to watch Hamas be praised and articles praising them posted.
Obama is friends with anti semites like Wright.
Obama wrote a book about anti semite wright.
Obama called his moral compass anti semite pfleger.
Obama is close with khalidi and rezko.

cowgirlblues–
As one of the Obama supporters who got a little over excited during the primary’s, I apologize.
If Obama loses (unlikely) I will donate my last dime to Hillary Clinton to run in 2012. She has shown grace and dignity and proven that in her case country really does come first.

Copy and Paste Brigade as arrive to flood the blogs with meaningless babel. They are talking about what was said or what was done, instead talking Obama. I guess Republicans don’t know anything except what political leaders force feed them. By the way Hillary is not running for president in 2012, 2016, or ever.

You are no Hillary supporter.
Obama called the clintons racists for her lbj speech. Obama had a four page memo calling Bill Clinton a racist.
Obama blamed Clinton for Bhutto of Pakistan being killed who was a close friend of Clinton.
Obama said Clinton’s claws were coming out.
Obama with his stupid smirk said no likable enough.
Obama said Clitnon visiting 80 countries amounted to having tea with leaders.
Clinton won 300,000 more votes and was cheated out.
It was a disgrace.
Clinton won texas in the real primary but the stupid caucus.
The superdelegates rigged it.
Obama got more delegates per person in urban areas than clinton was awarded in other areas.
It was a disgrace and Hillary should be the president.

Twist comments, twist, twist twist away.
McCain supporters claiming they will joint the KKK if Obama wins.
McCain supporter claiming there will be repercussions if Obama wins, saying if we think this all goes away after the election “we are sadly mistaken.”
I never said Obama supporters would riot. We will do as we have done in this campaign, remain dignified and use our intelligence and cold hard cash to see to it your filthy, lying, underhanded tricks never work again.
Then, in 2012, we will send your thugs packing to the Alaskan wilderness to never be seen or heard from again. This one will not go away like it did in 2000. Not a chance.

she was screaming socialist…
but we all know she either doesn’t know what that is…
was handed the word from a Fox news broadcast…
and/or just needed a word to fill the air for what she really wanted to yell.
stupid, ignorant or just down right evil people argued for and got us the last 8 years with Bush…
and some people don’t learn and/or are still evil.

The really good thing that is going to come out of this uncivil debate-is that the republican party will have to return to its roots-and the right wingers-will have to go form a fringe party to be heard-i remember a day when the republicans were not represented by whackos and certifiables-they fear everything-including their own shadows-america is about to take the country back from the death grip “they” have had on it-and hey you can call it socialism or communism-I call it a great day for americans and a cause for celibration…

and her comment about Powell being a repuvblican in name only…
ugh…
she is confusing “Right Wing Nut Jobs” with Republican party…
you see Republicans actually use to be about conservatism in less government and less spending…
then right wing nut jobs took over…

This sounds minimal compared to the e-mail and phone campaign run by the Chicago Obama Campaign against a radio station that was interviewing Stanley Kurtz about the Ayers, Obama, and Annenburg Challenge connections.

Turns out what HP Boston is wailing about is that a number of churches intend to bus their congregations to early voting in Cumberland County for the first day of early voting, and the Count decided to accommodate them by adding polling places. The churches are excited about the early voting, but disappointed they wont be able to make the Obama rally as a result.

McCain thinks his voters are stupid:
Case and point on “socialism”.
In McCain’s prepared remarks for the last few days and the talking points distributed by his campaign have McCain’s advisers attacking Obama’s refundable tax credits as “welfare,” “socialism,” and a “govenrment giveaway,” even though–as countless observers have noted:
McCain’s own health care plan also includes a REFUNDABLE TAX CREDIT!

It really seems to bother Obama supporters that people don’t see him as they do. He’s a freak!

All the right wing has are lies, lies, lies! It’s really sad that there are a lot of a lot of bigoted “low-information” voters out there that lap all the right wing lies and propaganda up, and thus vote against their own best interest

Notice how Obama post are usually original and different. And the McCain post are copy and paste. It rings true to the McCain style of things. Copy and Paste 90% of Bush policies put lipstick on them and run for president.

I have news for you “to cowgirlblues” I still have a huge banner up on the highway that I paid for myself-I was there beginning to end-and proudly called myself a hillary deadender-and a sister of the travelling pantsuit…I was either going to write hillary in or vote for john McCain-then he picked Palin and i came to my senses-Whos ideas most resemble Hillarys???I supported hillarys policys for this country-and everything that Hillary stood for-I stood by her then and now-I am not going to punish the whole country for what happened in that race-there are other more meaningful ways to get revenge with the democratic party elders-than destroying the country because i am pissed

Kitty
Freaks are people to even though they are outcasts. Even freaks can run for office look at Reagan. The thespian acted his way into convincing Russia that he was crazy and would push the red button at a moments notice. What made Reagan a great President was that he played to his strengths. McCain doesn’t do that anymore, he hasn’t work across the party lines since he lost in 00′ to Bush.

To Eyes Wide Opened,
If you knew anything about corporate taxes, then you would know that the corporations tax rate is based on the amount of net revenue earned. The ceiling on corporate tax is 38%. Also, depreciation expense is taken off first, then you have a great many other deductibles. A corporation will reduce the amount paid when they have a losing year, by the amount paid on taxes the two previous years. Also, a corporation only have to pay taxes on $1 mil of its executive’s salary if it can show that the rest is based on performance. Therefore, corporations have many loopholes to reduce their taxes. Those loopholes allows the corporations to pay less taxes on average than many individuals. So before you start spouting off about the corporations paying so much taxes, then you should get the facts. Those that I mentioned are just a few of the corporation’s tax reductions.
A small business can file their taxes as personal income of the owner or file it under the business. Again, either way they receives many tax deductions and it has been proven by many that the number of small businesses in the US taxable income over $250,000 is about 1%. So, again get the facts first.
Always remember, Knowledge is Power, and Ignorancy Deems You Powerless.

Amazing! This Fanning woman is a Christian?? WOW!!!!

Hey repubs!! I spent 2 years in Libya, living with, eating with, talking with, laughing with, working with MUSLIMS. Where can I send my name and address so I can be investigated and hopefully vetted by the you and your party. You had better hurry as I am getting ready to vote for Obama since I figure I am his bro since I lived with Muslims for 2 years.

Telling
She is not a racist. She is misinformed. I have learn that jumping on the racism bus only hurts people causes. I will call racism when I see it but what she did wasn’t necessarily racist.

Ms. Fanning wouldn’t shake hands with Mr. Obama because he is a black man. It’s really that simple. I grew up around people like Ms. Fanning. Once they are taught fear and prejudice as children, I don’t think anything can change them.
Sadly, the “undecided” elderly folks while polite, most likely harbour the same racial prejudice as Ms. Fanning.
Anyone who thinks these kind of folks live only in the South are deceiving themselves. For the good of the country, I hope most of the people like Ms. Fanning decide to just be mad and sit out the election. That’s what my brother (whose only son served in Iraq and who cannot stand the thought of four more years of Republican rule) intends to do. I told my brother in a way, my vote for the Obama/Biden ticket counts as two votes since he is abstaining. He told me he is glad I voted for Sen. Obama, but he just can’t bring himself to do it. How sad is that?

dave
I don’t hate Jews, I don’t hate Muslims, I don’t hate Christians, I don’t hate immigrants, I don’t hate Catholics, I don’t hate atheist, I don’t hate agnostics, I don’t hate pro-choice, I don’t hate anti abortion, and neither do 98% of Obama supporters. I was raise to love my neighbor and aspire to love as Jesus loved. I am voting Barack Obama for President.
In honor of Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan who died defending our country.

I don’t see what the hubbub is about.
Other than the screaming whacko and the “I think he’s a closet Muslim” dullard, most of the people quoted in the article sound like nice, normal people.
It’s certainly not surprising that you wouldn’t find a lot of Obama supporters amid a crowd of older white people in North Carolina(or North Dakota, for that matter)since seniors are Obama’s weakest demographic.

Victoria–
The Supreme Court GAVE George Bush the presidency. They stopped the recounts that legally should have gone on and in the end Al Gore likely would have emerged the victor.
That election was stolen.
In 2004 OHIO’s results were disputed and once again, the republicans STOLE an election.
WE WILL NOT BE FOOLED AGAIN. WE WILL STAND UP THIS TIME AND WE WILL DEMAND THAT VOTES BE COUNTED AND COUNTED CORRECTLY.

It’s clear to me that the smear job is working, but it still won’t get McCain elected. All this is doing is dividing our country. Socialist? Tell me Grnadma, do you collect social security? If so, that’s SOCIALIST – thus the name “SOCIAL SECURITY”. Tax cuts for middle class WORKERS is not a social program.
I hate ignorance.

They call themselves children of God and act that way. What’s wrong with these people? Where’s the fellowship? What kind of religion is this? The McCain camp has spread so much hate. I’ve never seen anything like this. First they imply Obama’s a ganster, that didn’t work. Then they imply he’s a terrorist, not true and didn’t work. Now they are throwing around the word socialist like he has some kind of demonic disordy. This too will backfire. McCain is behind in the polls and is trying to win an election on hate, deceit and innuendo.I don’t know what God McCain prays to, but he should be on his knees praying for guidance and forgiveness. And the pastor of that congregation should take another look at the words of God. Seems he’s forgotten some of them. And maybe he should council that woman while he’s at it.

I suspect most Americans don’t even know what socialism is.
A clue — Social Security is socialism. So you think we should abolish that?

What may I ask if the choosen one – OBAMA is NOT elected will happen? Is the world going to end? Are Blacks going to rise up and declare that the Repulicans stoled the election, again. No I do not think so, the world will continue on course, some blacks will be unhappy but the problems will still be there to fix. Our economy is dead, we are fighting 2 wars, the world sees us as war hungry animals, the poor will still be poor and the world will still be spinning. Just be sure to go and vote. Every vote should count but they have to be cast.

Please get this now, taxes have always been a way of either creating wealth or re-distributing wealth. Do not let John Mccain fool you. The fact that you are cutting taxes for people that are already paying taxes can never be welfare. John Mccain has always been for the rich and his attacks these days are becoming increasingly polarising. You are un-american because you are a democrat,you are not ‘real’ Virginia because you wont vote for John Mccain and you have no values because you are not from small-town America. All these comments are disgusting in the name of trying to win an election. John Mccain have stooped so low. The Republican Party is really not worth it. I may share some of their values but to use it as a means of discrimination is totaling unacceptable

ja
That is not socialism. You don’t know what it is.

That is SO rude. I’m an Obama supporter and if McCain ever came forward to shake my hand I would gladly do so. I would even ask for picture.
It just goes to show the ways of Republicans when they’re facing defeating.
Republicans had the presidency for 8 years and the Senate and House for 6… It’s time for a change.

dave-I have never been able to twist the banks arm to give me money…Did those people who walked in there to get loans have a gun-there was NO law they had to make loans that people couldn’t qualifiy for–they did it cause banks were making money hand over fist on the housing boom-it was greed-period that drove them all to making those loans-they gutted the cash cow for their own self interest and now WE are going to pay for it-oh yes and they were enabled by their republican regulators who looked the other way or were too busy picking out their suits to be bothered protecting american taxpayer interests.

The first time in history where a tax cut for the poor is considered socialism.

Victoria,
Slanting history????
Everyone knows that Gore was ripped off. He won that election and it was stolen. PERIOD.
You must be one of the 7% who still thinks W. is doing a bang up job.

What would Jesus have done? Embraced Obama with open arms. It is truly sad that some people react like that woman did and still claim to be Christians while acting so unChrist like.

Thomas Jefferson proposed that when someone dies, their entire estate should be forfeited to the government for the benefit of all. It wasn’t because the government needed the tax money for the poor and whatnot, it was because that would prevent the establishment of a “royalty” of people who would be able to control the country because of their wealth.

I am glad this woman was respectful enough to keep her greasy rib chomping, wing plucking fingers to herself.

Yeah well that’s what happens when you don’t have the stones to respond to McCain’s crap. Obama couldn’t even buck-up and say “actually I am not a socialist, that’s just a lie spread by McCain in an effort to keep you mind off of the way the GOP put us $10 trillion into debt.”
Jesus get some spine already.
Obama is going to lose the undecided voters and the election.
And, it will be because the average undecided is uncomfortable w/ a guy who won’t defend his own honor.
That the reason I vote for independent parties. I got sick of seeing the Dems role over and let themselves and their supporters be disparaged by idiots w/ an IQ = to a pig with lipstick.

MM,
No, in a communist society no one has ownership. You are confusing the twooooo

powmadeak47
He called McCain on the charges earlier in the day at campaign rally. Obama didn’t want to be disrespectful and bring his own image down while confronting the lady.

ja
Nope I am not. Socialist is the precursor to Communism. It is the transformation from a capitalist society to a communist society. And in that transformation is the creation of a collective society to redistribute the wealth own by the people. There fore all work is the same, everybody is paid the same, and nobody truly owns anything because the society owns it.

“Obama’s white grand mother would not even look at other blacks” according to Obama when he he pushed her under the bus…

Victoria–
McCain promised a balanced budget in 4 years. That’s not promising the moon?
Fact is I would have voted for McCain, then he picked Ms. Alaska.
Gore was robbed. I and about 50 million of my fellow Americans know it to be true.

My GOD…She either forgot Jesus’s teaching or she is overtaken by her fear of loosing the power to black people (slaves of white people). If she thinks that way..that means she still lives in 1950s.
Cann’t believe we still people in America who will not shake hands with people with less value….We teach whole world about equality…We need to fix people in our home first.
Ms. Diane Fanning, I hope you read/listen about the effort goverment taking to recover the economy…is it not a solicialist approach? I get it…If it is done by others, it bad. If I do it then it is correct.
Give me a break…

Ja
I am waiting for your response.

ja
You still haven’t define socialism accurately and you know it. Under your definition any president who has ever given a tax cut is a socialist. That is about every President elected to the office.

at least obama is try to spread the whealth among most needy people wrather that spreading it among whealthy people only. Ms Diane Fanning, Republican’s never give damn to middle class people. Ms Diane Fanning will get benefit from Obama’s plan. Don’t you want to be benefitted?

MM,
Here is a post I made from before spelling out why Obama is a socialist:
But the point you are trying to make, I think, is this. Even here in America we have some programs that are socialist in nature. And yes, it’s true. Our tax structure itself is redistributive.
However, you have to understand the ideological mindsets by which we have higher tax rates for the wealthy. For the average American, it’s a matter of practicality. In order to properly fund government, we need to tax the wealthier at a higher tax rate because it would break the back of the poorer. This is a matter of PRACTICICALITY NOT IDEOLOGY.
Obama, on the other hand, said during a speech that such taxing of the wealthy at higher rates was a matter of JUSTICE. It’s not that this was needed for practical reasons, but that it is his IDEOLOGICAL VIEWPOINT.
And that is why Obama is a socialist. Redistributive justice requires income redistribution.
Sorry, Obama is a socialist to the core. And I’m very happy this is finally getting media attention – thanks to a plumber with the guts to ask the tough questions the media won’t.

Is the MEDIA going to do a back ground check on Ms. Fanning like they did on “Joe the Plumber”?
Can’t say anything to get Mr. Obama upset.

How very sad… and so rude of Ms. Fanning. Thank god for the younger generation who haven’t yet been ‘carefully taught’. And that was probably in the “real” part of N.C.

Well she had every right to her opinions. I will grudgling vote for Obama but it seems like people here are mad because she chose not to put on a fake smile for the camaras or crowd and said what she felt. I dont fear the people who say what they really feel I fear the fakes who say one thing about you to your face and another when your back is turned.

For all those who say Obama is taking your hard earned money … quit your jobs. Your wasting your time. Allow the rest of Americans work you job.

ja
There isn’t anything evil about communism but socialism is taking Egalitarianism to an extreme. To the point, that it restricts freedom for the sake of equality.

TO RACHEL .WHY DO U HAVE TO VOTE FOR OBAMA IF U DONT WANT TO .WHY GRUDGINLY VOTE FOR HIM .VOTE FOR MCCAIN HE IS A MENTCH .HEIS A HERO. ID RATHER NOT TAKE A CHANCE WITH SOMEONE WE DONT KNOW. DID U FORGET HE SAT IN A CHURCH FOR TWENTY YEARS NOT ONE BUT TWENTY YEARS U CANT TELL ME HE WAS NOT INFLUENCED BY THAT HATE FOR TWENTY YEARS. SAVE AMERICA VOTE FOR MCCAIN PALIN.

I heard a rumor that McCain is Erratic.

the media was right too check out joe,
and it had nothing to do with obama.
obama did not need him checked out.
joe stepped up to sen. obama.
the guy claimed he was a plumber, and with all of the attention he has gotten, he should have been checked out.
with john mccain hanging all of his economic plan of joe the plumber, and his hanging around with him, and fox news having joe on the tv. do you think mccain, and fox news were not going to check this guy out.
if the media had not checked him out, which is part of their job. mccain and co would have.
so stop trying to may itout to be something underhanded, in joe being checked out.

Ja
And then to try to prove you weren’t cherry picking, you half quoted Obama with out even putting together the entire sentence. Using vague, references, and generalities to prove a point that with a simple search can disprove.

ja
Again missing the point, you prove my point. “not practicality” Obama is allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire so that he can pay for tax cuts for the middle class, which will help put money back into the economy. The goal is to bring us out of a recession and possible depression.

MM,
Provide the quote then. I watched it myself and it was clear what he meant.
And “spreading the wealth around” is as clear as it gets. REDISTRIBUTION.
Be honest with yourself for god’s sake

Let’s review the facts:
1) The Bush Administration is nationalizing banks, i.e., socialism.
2) McCain wants the US government to spend $300 billion to buy (i.e., socialize) private mortgages.
3) Obama’s tax plan raises the marginal tax rate of incomes over $250,000 from 36% to 39%, i.e., 3%.
Yet Obama is a socialist?
This nonsense is a consequence of McCain’s outright lies. He is a shameful human being for polluting the public discourse solely to further his naked ambition.

Rich,
Once again, nationalizing the banks, for instance, was done out of PRACTICALITY NOT IDEOLOGY.
Arguing with you paid bloggers is just too frustrating.
Best of luck to all. I’m just glad Obama’s true ideology is finally coming out. Hopefully it will result in a healthy discussion about the pros and cons of Socialism

Hey Jake Tapper…you missed one buddy:
Oh, that Joe!!!!
BREAKING NEWS, Joe Biden declares that “undecided people” are RACISTS. I kid you not.
Yep folks, for the first time in history, we are finding out, according to Joe “foot in my mouth” Biden, that Undecided voters have apparently always been racists. OMG, what did they do in all these other elections if there wasn’t somone to be racist against?
We appreciate Joe letting us know his team Obama and Democratic Elites that they have such an opinion about undecided voters. I guess Joe is hoping to use the same tactic that made him come around to protecting and supporting Clarence Thomas and his hoping many are as weak minded and easily as intimidated as HE.
at a Fundraiser in San Fran last night.
“”Undecided people are having a difficult time just culturally making the change, making the move for the first African American president in the history of the United States of America,” the Democratic vice-presidential nominee said at a San Francisco fundraiser Saturday evening.”
abc news dot com
Hey Joe Biden, you are the gift that keeps on giving!!

ronny
So you are telling me you are counting on closet racism to win an election. Good luck with that.

Victoria,
at last we agree on something, neither one seems like a great choice at the moment.
I will be honest, I am fed up with both. Voting for the lesser of two evils yet again.
I will take intelligent over dimwit in this case and hope for the best.

McCain supporters are angry because their candidate is a crazy, erratic, old war monger who is going to lose and lose in a big, bad way.
at which point, these people of the 20th century will realize time has passed them by.

It’s such a nutty campaign.
The biggest socialists these days are Bush, Bernanke and Paulson. They nationalized the financial institutions.
McCain have the most irresponsible financial program ever. It’s not fiscally conservative..
His supply-side theories are just new clothes for the voodoo economics of the Reagan years. Give money to the rich, and hope they pass it to the middle class and poor. Will not work, never worked.
We need a fiscal conservative program, combined with a liberal social program.
Obama, Warren Buffet are more qualified then the bunch of mediocre advisers McCain assembled.

Wait!
Please get your accusations organized!
Is Obama a “socialist”, a “communist”, a “facist”, or a “Marxist” now?
Is Obama a “secret Muslim” or a “radical racist Christian”?
Is Obama “paling around with terrorists” or, as McCain just said, Ayres is a washed up old man who is inconsequential?
Seriously, it’s hard to keep up with your smear campaigns. You guys really need to be more focused. No wonder your LOSING.
Here’s a thought, perhaps you should just get some decent candidates with better judgment next time? You don’t have to decide now, you’ll have at least four years to think about it.

Bush is the gift McCain keeps on taking.

All US citizens, should “have the right” to know OBAMA legal status prior to casting their vote. It is un-American to remove this right!

So why do a lot of the McCain supporters on this board sound so much like the Hillary supporters did in May? No offense Hill supporters (I was one myself and did a bit of whining and crying).
It is just shocking to see the republicans act like a bunch of whiners. That is totally out of character. They were the bad asterisks back in the day.
I really hope the NeoCon breed die out this election cycle or at least be relegated to the fringes where they belong and that a smart, fiscally conservative republican party reemerges.

Victoria writes, “The repub is no great pick either but I dont think the two year senator will do a better job.”
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I think you meant to say you don’t think a “Black” man with a Harvard Law degree, eight years as a State Legistlator and two years as a United States Senator will do a better job. (lol) If someone with those credentials (considering there have been Presidents with far less experience) is incapable of doing the job maybe you’d like to tell us who can do the job?

Yeesh yes there is hope. Honestly I was going to call you delusional if you told me that Obama had no flaws but I now think better of you. Ill take experience over the gift of gab this time.

International–
Clearly you have not read the posts.
The republicans come on here and spread a bunch of lies and threaten people that they will all DIE if Obama wins.
Dems just try to defend the poor man who is facing people who are bearing false witness against him.

The majority of posters here obviously don’t realize that Medicare, Social Security and Unemployment are SOCIALIZED.
Colin Powell said most astutely that taxation has always been about the redistribution of wealth. McCain’s statement That Obama’s “spreading around the wealth” is socialism-is disengenous and and false. His intention is that the very wealthy-the top 1%-who will pay LESS taxes under McCain’s plan-will pay MORE. Right now most tax dollars come from the middle class-NOT the very wealthy. It’s a fact. Do you homework.

I went down south not too long ago and they are a fine bunch of folks, friendly and outgoing. Then, after being in a group of mixed ethnicity, I found myself alone with a young white man, who up to that point had been all charm and dignity, but then he let loose with the most vile, hate filled racial vitriol that I have ever heard.
We probably should be afraid of some Bradley effect. We cannot be complacent we have to get the vote out.

victoria
I didn’t attack you just argue against your point. Why the hostility?

Hey B.O.B =
News Flash – Joe the Plumber isn’t running for any office. He was just asking a question. That was my point.

She can’t spell socialism
and certainly knows nothing
about Republican economics
that has just brought us
the worst financial disaster
since the Great Depression.

pamslaff
Everything is wrong with socialism. It takes away freedom for the sake of equality. Neither of the candidates are socialist. It is just a smear plain and simple.

One thing is for sure now that Obama has raked in 150 MILLION dollars. He no longer has ANY EXCUSE for not retiring Hillary’s debt, as he stated he would. However, to my mind, doing so would be no recompense for his stabbing her in the back, as he so very publicly did. Yes, he has real class, maybe in Chicago.
Nobama ’08
Lemmings for Obama

Uhh…
Obama — BLECHY!
YEEEAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

MM–
Awesome. It should be a word. After 8 years of George W. we need something good to come out of it.

Colbert as Press Secretary that would be bad-a##.

Actually I have read posts from several sites. This one seems more neutral than most. Neither candidate is very truthful nor inspirational and that is why the anger displayed in some of these postings is so hard to understand. This anger is especially obvious on the part of the democrats.

Colbert as press secretary, that would be fantastic. Let’s start a petition shall we, after all that is what we dems do so well. Yak and send in those $$$$$.
It is way too funny how ticked off the republicans are at that $150 MIL. They had to know we would beat them at their own game at some point.

This is the time in the
closing weeks of this
general election for
some disgruntled people
to show how important
they are by being rude
to a candidate who came
to meet with voters in
their community.

“I found myself alone with a young white man, who up to that point had been all charm and dignity, but then he let loose with the most vile, hate filled racial vitriol that I have ever heard.”
At least Diane Fanning speaks the truth openly instead of being a back-stabbing honey talker.

International–
You must be kidding right? Dude, Obama is likely to win by a landslide. His supporters mostly just try to defend him from some incredibly vicious and vile lies.
The republicans who think they are losing have stooped to the most disgusting negative campaigning and their supports have jumped on the band wagon.
You, sir/madame, are clearly not objective.

J Robinson–
I couldn’t agree with you more. I am much happier when the white sheet is off than on. If you are going to be a disgusting, racist pig, please advertise it to the world.

DAVE
No but it doesn’t give you the right to stereotype Obama supporters either.

Obama has hung out with socialists his whole life, and now finally, thanks to poor old maligned Joe W., Obama’s real beliefs have been made plain. Socialism has failed wherever is has been implemented. With Obama as POTUS we will embark on the most costly, dunderheaded social experiment ever attempted in this country. Will the REAL Democratic nominee please stand up?

Tom in MA–
It won’t be that way. There are only a handful of people who are spouting the racist talking point (ON BOTH SIDES).
If Obama wins, it won’t be that way. He will be held to the same standard as any president and dems will be hacking on him from day 1. That’s just the way it is.

To Jeff and all you others who think McCain is a hero: Look up McCain’s dismal voting record on veterans’ issues(and troop funding)and see why so many veterans do NOT support him-because McCain does not support THEM. I find it incredible-since McCain has made no much of his military service- that NO one in the mainstream media-including ABC-is saying a word about this. And could one of you explain to me why McCain of all people voted against a bill that would ban torture??

Dems are all talk and intellect.
The people who are snarking on Obama seem to be the vicious type.
And yet, dems are being accused of potentially rioting. What a joke.

Jesus would be so proud OF HER!
WHY DO YOU WITH THE “PLANK” IN YOUR EYE,GO AFTER SOMEONE WITH A “GRAIN OF SAND”(SPECK) IN THEIRS?
HER PASTOR NEEDS TO PREACH ON “TRUE REPENTANCE FOR OUR SINS AGAINST A HOLY GOD” LIKE MY PASTOR DID TODAY.
GOD HAVE MERCY ON THIS BIGOTED, ARROGANT NATION.

Republicans = Socialism for corporate America and free market dog eat dog for the middle class and poor.

It’s too bad that lady didn’t have any class. She’s pretty disrespectful. She should learn there is a place and a time for her to get attention but I guess she’s just trying to get her 15 minutes too. It was just extremely rude. She didn’t even have the cajones to shake his hand. So much for crossing party lines like McCain says. See this is what happens when McCain and Palin and the RNC go around preaching hate and using fear tactics. The people are all worked up and it’s getting out of control.
Remember that auto plant that McCain went to? The people there just started chanting Obama…not so bad. They didn’t call him names as this lady stooped to doing. This lady is just angry and for what? How is calling people names going to change the track this country is on? She needs to grow up.

What an incredible insult! And she call herself a Christian?? Since when do people show such disrespect to those who are running for office. You dont have to agree with ones policies but that does not give license to be rude and disrespectful!! Another example of how divisive the Republican Party is.

Ken–
Dude, McCain called his own wife a C-word.
Not much ground for you on that talking point.

Average-brain people are smearing each other. If they are doing it for fun I will not get into, but doing it seriously, I would recommend everyone go find the answer from the authoritative organizations’ analysis of the current economic problem. Try to find the answer from “GMO LLC” by checking GOOGLE SEARCH.

To portia9 – actually, you should read the Chicago Tribune’s endorsement. It explains how Obama actually comes out of the University of Chicago’s economic school that favors free markets, which has actually ruffled many Democratic constituencies. He’s no socialist. A tax break for the middle class is just that – it means you still have to work to get that break. And it means those super rich con artists who have been raking in the profits will finally have to pull their own weight. I’m a hard working middle class mom & I’ve seen our wages stagnate, while we’re all working harder and everything costs more and more – meanwhile those guys are buying multiple yachts. But I think what is most striking about this article is the calm and confident and courteous way Obama interacted with those he knew disagreed with him. He doesn’t insulate himself from those who disagree, or even hate, him or his policies. He wants to continue to engage and isn’t ruffled by those who rebuff him. He doesn’t just “preach to the choir” he tries to talk and listen to everyone. By contrast, McCain & Palin have highly controlled events and refuse to engage with any voters who disagree with them. And their followers have learned to do the same – shouting insults instead of debating issues. This country needs to come together. Clearly from this article, Obama understands that.

FactCheck:
Let’s be absolutely clear about this.. to Ms. Fanning and the hundreds of Republicans in the south, “socialist” is a more polite term for the “n” word.
========================================See, at every turn dems want to call you racist. But that’s allright because that’s whats going to cost obama the election. American’s like me are tired of being called “racist” because we research the facts and will vote for the most qualified person, John McCain.
McCain/Palin 08 Palin/2012

Posted by: Get it straight | Oct 19, 2008 6:22:51 PM
I was responding to your stupid post about Ms. Fanning being in danger. That is a laugh riot.
It’s the republicans who have been screaming out threats to kill a presidential candidate and getting away with it.
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Do you have any proof of that or it’s your stupid’s (your word) assumption?

Lucas Gilmore – The sad thing is , I’m beginning to believe that America is NOT better than this. Our ignorance and intolerance is showing more day by day, disguised under the banner of the American flag. Those self-professed “true” patriots who spew their hatred at those who don’t believe as they do are the ones who would have the Gestapo pounding at our doors. Intolerance breeds fascism. THAT’S where we’re headed, not socialism.

Concerned in Ohio==
They should not be wearing McCain/Palin shirts to school. Nor should there be Obama shirts allowed at school. This campaign has become filled with hate, mostly from the McCain side and I can see how impressionable children might express the bigoted views of their parents.
However, you have no clarity and can’t see past your own viewpoint.
Both sides have done things that are pretty outrageous. This is politics, not tea and crumpets.
You need to take a deep breath and a chill pill. McCain is likely going to lose and at some point you will need to accept that.
If McCain wins, I will have to accept that and make sure I pray every night that he lives a very LONG AND HEALTHY life. Palin is what scares me, not McCain.

Ken–
Why no response on the whole bit of your being outraged at Palin being called the C-word? Kinda hard to defend when McCain used that word on his own wife isn’t it?
I see you took time to respond to a post not even addressed at you.

It just proves that Barry McGuire’s line from the eve of destruction about hating your neighbor but don’t forget to say grace (or go to church) is still alive and well in all too many people in America.

The nutty NeoCon right-winged policies, that’s what has tanked this country.
When Clinton left the office the economy was good, our debt was decreasing. 8 years later, debt doubled, economy in a mess….
That’s 8 years of redistribution of wealth, give it to the rich, the foreign countries and big corporations.
And what are McCain’s economic plans, do a google search on supply-side economics and McCain. It’s just giving away money to the wealthy and hope they will pass it to middle class and poor.

Concerned in Ohio–
Ummmm, dude, McCain is associated with an abortion clinic bomber.
where you been? That was all over last week’s news.
Not to mention, he held a fund raiser in…get this…G. Gordon Liddy’s living room.

Concerned in Ohio–
If Senator Obama (as he should be respectfully referred to) should happen to lose what you will see will be 10,000 lawyers spread across the land to root out the voter fraud that would cause such an event to occur.
You will not see riots in the street. Why? Well because most blacks (who let’s face it are the one’s you fear will riot) have very little hope Obama will win this, as they are used to social injustice and expect it this time as well.
However, I have heard many a republican say they will be joining the KKK should Senator Obama win.
You really do not have any high ground to stand on, my friend, so dial back the rhetoric and put away your broken crystal ball.

Obama’s bizarre refusal to confront McCain’s smears head-on is going to cost him the election. He is down to a 5 point lead. Which is nothing considering that he will surely lose the undecided vote.
Somebody better get a camcorder and sit Obama down and have him confront these smears in a ‘fire-side chat’ and start pumping out some TV ads.
all I am seeing is the same old tired, stale crap that won’t register w/ the average undecided.

Ronny, I cannot bring myself to vote for McCain. I am prochoice, I dont like his healthcare plan either. I am a Hillary suepport and both barack obama and mccain “sampled” her ideas Obama from healthcare and mccain her economic plan. Ase and African American female I never thought it would be this hard for me to vote for an African American canidate but it is. I dont like the primary went down and how Hillary was portrayed. However we cant always get what we want and it almost always comes down to the lesser of two evils and for me that’s barack. Hopefully Obama uses Hillary in his cabinet and anyone else who can really help this country.

Rachel–
So vote Bob Barr. You don’t have to vote for McCain or Obama. There are about 5 choices on the ballot I just got in CA and I assume it’s like that everywhere.
However, Obama has the closest platform to Hillary, if you are planning to vote on issues rather than the guy you want to spend Friday night bowling with.

Obviously, those not in line with the Messiah is angry white racist (snicker-snicker). Is she white? Dunno.
Considering the people ObamACORN hand shakes in the past, I would at least wash my hands twice. (that be Odinga-Ayers-Rev. Wright-Father Pleger-etc-etc).
Exit question: Did Obama order any A-CORN?

Cue up the Angry Left Anger in 3..2…1
I bet ObamACORN doesn’t come near another voter who works with a plunger…he-he
Poor ObamACORN is still trying to recover from Joe the Plumber. Won’t happen tho..

Crazy Joe yields 10k audience…
What, they don’t sell sleep medication?

Captain America,
We know it’s hard and that you are covering for your pain and deep sadness with a lame attempt at humor.
Don’t worry it’s all going to be fine. President Obama will fix the mess the republican party made over the last 8 years. It’s all going to be just fine.

Obama = wealth redistribution = reparations but not using that pesky R word.

Concerned in Ohio–
Right. Riots don’t have a racial connotation in America. If Obama loses, tell me now who is going to be rioting in your little mind?
Volvo drivers, soccer mom’s for Obama, latte drinkers, Arugula Eaters of America, elitist liberals…who exactly do you anticipate these great riots will come from? Who exactly do you think will be burning the cities down? Those were your words, “if Obama wins, cities will be burned”

Concerned in Ohio–
ooops my bad—
You said “if Obama LOSES cities will be burned.”
If McCain wins the only thing that will happen is Kleenex will make a fortune.

the Democratic Party can’t understand why they can’t get 95% of the vote when they promise 95% of the people a tax break. when someone tells Sen. Obama “I’m voting for Sen. McCain,” all he can say is, “but why? I’m cutting your taxes!” you see, like liberals who love America as well, lots of conservative Americans, good Americans, smart Americans, have a not unfounded idea that big government isn’t going to improve the middle-class’s life. While it may get you welfare, it will be at the cost of higher prices and getting you thrown in the unemployment line.

Whatever the woman’s belief on McCain or Obama, she should at least be civil. What I find most interesting is that she had just got out of church. Doesn’t the church teach love?
If the GOP goes down this election, we will know why. It has let itself be hijacked by right-wing evangelicals who profess God’s love “in name only” – or I as I like to call them, CINO – christian in name only.

“the Democratic Party can’t understand why they can’t get 95% of the vote when they promise 95% of the people a tax break. ”
The republican zealots can’t understand they are losing it because they don’t understand we are fed up with you guys.
Get used to it: It’s president Obama!

Obama is going to bring the country together…. my ***!! He and the liberal left are causing more division than this country has seen since the Civil War! I respect that lady for not shaking his hand. I don’t blame her for not wanting to shake the hand of a gutter pig who has never worked a real job for one day in his life! I wouldn’t shake this rats hand either! Black Jimmy Carter with big ears and no peanut farming experience!

Sound like Obama ran across some people that actually sees him for the man he is not the one he is pretending to be. Obama’s plan is the hide welfare in tax codes and hope we are too stupid to understand that it isn’t a tax if you get money back. It is a welfare.
Who would be foolish enough to give Team Obama their names and disent. He will have reporters track you down and destroy you.

There are some people who are just ignorant. Nothing much we can do about that. Thank goodness our next president won’t be one of them.

There are some people who are just ignorant. Nothing much we can do about that. Too bad Obama is one of them!

Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse
Actually it was Bush that asked for more regulation of Freddie and Fannie and the democrats blocked him. That was in 2005. Freddie and Fannie gave Obama Huge donations for his campaign.

The person who would not shake his hand was wrong. Where has respect gone these days? This is America, land of the free, which includes and was meant to include all – by our constitution.
There was no call for that woman to disrespect Mr. Obama.
She ought to be ashamed of herself – and have plenty of sleepless nights thinking of her wrong doing today to another human being.
WRONG on all accounts.

Republicans are ++ socialist, Democrats
are ++++ socialist, you can spin all you want, they both are socialist to certain extent. At least Ms Fanning stay true to herself, after you call someone a socialist you should not shake their hands, it’s political at its best. If you can’t stomach it then politic is not for you. God is Alah…

ubu1991: “Sound like Obama ran across some people that actually sees him for the man he is not the one he is pretending to be. ”
That’s right, he’s willing to face those who hate him. What a horrible guy…
“Who would be foolish enough to give Team Obama their names and disent. He will have reporters track you down and destroy you. ”
What a crock. Joe the Plumber is having a great time, and Obama hardly sent anyone after him. He’d love for the guy to fade away ASAP – it’s not the message he wants in the media.
And are you implying every Republican needs to fear very cursory scrutiny? Most dems I know pay their taxes, follow basic licensing laws, and don’t feel a need to lie extravagantly about how much they earn. Maybe if the press was actually lying (like they did to that poor Jewel guy regarding the Olympic bombing) you could actually accuse the press of destroying him.

Yes, I am sure it is every american’s dream to have the press dig through your divorce case, track down your tax liens, your employer, and an unpaid traffic ticket. That is what happens if you offer disent to Team Obama and his followers.

I think it is clear who the larger person is and it is not the old lady who doesn’t even have the couth to act with some decorum. Calling Obama a socialist is absurd…I bet the old gal would scream bloody murder if someone took away her Social Security check!!!

Last week McCain said he has learned from history. So I must ask, then why is he rehashing Hillary Clinton’s campaign down to the last gasp?
He hit racism last week. This week he is now a “man of the people.”
First of all, he has never been middle class and so he has no real understanding of the needs of the middle class. He can SAY anything he wants, it doesn’t make it so.
It didn’t work for Hillary and she had more actual history to back her up, after all she was a democrat.
I find it deeply amusing that McCain has decided to run as the democrat in the race. He labeled Obama a socialist so he could be the democratic candidate.
Lame.

Remind me again why Colin Powell went from a part of the Bush war machine to Leftists’ darling?
Name a few prominent blacks who support McCain. I do believe there will be many who will vote for Obama because of race and not necessarily because they think he is the best man. I believe this because I watched a campaigner in a North Carolina parking lot asking blacks only if they were registered to vote.

GOOD TO SEE that Ms. Fanning knows what a Socialist is, I hope every American does.

It was the Star Spangled Banner and there is no requirement for hand over heart.
We were taught in grade school it was a sign of respect to salute if in uniform or place your hand over your heart in honor of all the brave men and women who have died for that flag and their country since our country was founded.
I did see the picture of the incident.

A Veteran–
For the record == Obama had placed his hand over his heart for the pledge of allegiance which had come right before. Then the Star Spangled Banner was performed, which he did not place his hand over his heart.
It is not a requirement, there is no consistent rule for that. I have never done so and neither have the legions of people I have witnessed. And I live in Idaho, so we would definitely be considered “Pro_America” country as we are all republicans up here.

Obama asks for PRAYERS???
Hypocrite he is… God fearing, humble human being, he is not.
McCain has more class in his little finger than Obama has no matter how you slice it. Obama is nothing but an arrogant, self serving, slimy Chicago politician.

Marian Pepitone–
McCain dumped his crippled wife and married a rich barbie doll. That is how he got his money.
THAT IS A FACT THAT YOU CANNOT DISPUTE.
LIVE WITH IT.

Mariann Pepitone,
McCain came from an admiral family and married into money when he left his 1st wife for Cindy.

history
and mccains wife inherited what she has—no work ethic involved in the mccain house.

I do agree it is not a requirement but just encouraged to show respect. It was a least nice to be able to give an opinion, talk and not have to resort to the other nonsense that others seem to thrive on. I agree there is no excuse for bigotry or racisim during this difficult. We are all Americans first. ust because someone is Republican doesn’t mean they agree with everything republican or vice versa. What needs to be done is to hold all politicians in office accountable for their actions.

Dave –
That is so funny. I was called by one of the polls too and told them I was totally for McCain.
I want the polls to look really close so we can get Obama voters motivated to get to the polls. We have all been told to do that, I guess you must not be on the e-mail list.

WHY DOESN’T MCCAIN WEAR A FLAG PIN.
Why does he get a free pass because he crashed 5 airplanes and ended up an honored guest of the Hanoi Hilton where he spilled his guts and denounced America.
Don’t ever question why any POW would spill his guts and denounce America. You probably wouldn’t have lasted one week of torture much less years of it. The truth is everyone breaks to some degree.

Ignorance goes a long way in this country – how do you think Bush Jr got elected?

aviewerofABC: People are not blind they just don’t care if Obama had a prison record. This generation of fools is the ruination of this country. All they see is a half black man telling them all kinds of lies and then if elected look out. Do they really think he is the man who will make changes. Changes in what. The only change he knows is from Ayers to Senator. Colin Powell has been teaching him on foreign policy because he wants to be secretary of state. And he endorsed him because he is half black. Powell is a republican. Joe the plumber is smart. He figured out Obama’s tax plan and decided he was a socialist. Obama thought he could fool Joe by double talking. Didn’t work.

Marianne Pepitone-
You are the worst of the worst liars there are.
Obama has a prison record???? Really????
But you know what, I would still vote for him. I would vote for him if he ate a baby for lunch and picked his teeth with the bones.
I hate McCain with all my heart at this point becuase of people like you. You are everything he stands for and I despise you.

“between mccain ,palin ,and the plumber guy –his campain is looking like a freak show-”
And what are the Obamas’, Wright, Dohrn, Ayers, Kahlid al-Monsour, etc??

Fanning sounds like rude, ignorant woman who is so typical of the parrot minions who don’t think but, only do as they are told by the propaganda machine.
Thank goodness more people are more gracious whether they support obama or not and thank goodness more people have the ability to think for themselves.
That woman, Fanning, may go to church but, is no christian

A Veteran–
I wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes as a POW.
I also think it is bull to run like that’s all that matters. I respect McCain for his service, that does not qualify him for the presidency in and of itself.
I think what McCain was trying to say by bringing his POW experience up was to tell all who cared is that he is the kind of person who does love his country and will defend its honor and try to do the right thing for all of us. Members of the service don’t fight for themselves, instead they fight for all of her citizens. Rememver the definition of a hero is one that runs toward what everyone else is running from.

“But you know what, I would still vote for him. I would vote for him if he ate a baby for lunch and picked his teeth with the bones. ”
Vile. People like you don’t deserve to vote.

“McCain is a warmonger and Palin is an imbecile they would destroy this country. ”
And what are Biden and Powell? I remember Powell lying to the American People the same way his Messiah does.

A Veteran
I respect your opinion and how you express it, however, to me McCain no longer has any honor. He forfeited it to win this election by allowing his campaign to lie and spread pure evil.
If this man were McCain 2000, I would vote for him. McCain 2008 has revealed country is no longer first for him, ambition is.

Mack-
Did I miss something? Is Powell on the democratic ticket? Yeah, I didn’t think so.
I don’t care for Powell ever since he lifted up that little vial of “anthrax” and helped W. get us into a war.
I am pretty sure the ticket is Obama/Biden. Nice try though.

Mack-
You know who I voted for in the primary?
McCain.
You know who I am voting for 11/4?
Obama.
McCain is not the man I thought he was and I cannot and will not vote for him.
I am a conservative and have always voted republican. You don’t know me.

for all of you people who want national health care, have you read the articles and seen some of the programs on tv about england and canada. it isnt very good. a lady in canada was told she would have to wait 6 months for surgery that would save her life. she came to the states and paid for it so she could live.

Looks like Mack is projecting calling people liars.
Pardon him folks, Mack feels to need to lie about himself and his views a great deal.

“I am a conservative and have always voted republican. You don’t know me. ”
I’m sorry for judging you. I’m just tired of hearing life long Democrats talking about the McCain of 2000, like they would ever have voted for him.
What did he do that made you turn away?

DJ Jones-
Do you really think we will ever have national health care in this country?
Not going to happen under any president. All we can hope for is that McCain’s nutty plan doesn’t go into place or we are all scr##ed. If you have a pre-existing condition say bye bye to affordable health insurance.
If you have employee health coverage, say bye bye to that too. They no longer have an incentive to provide it.
McCain’s health plan should be enough to make him lose, forget everything else.

“Doctors and nurses are for it.”
Source?

Mack–
Complete honesty, Palin. I just cannot swallow it. Yes, Obama is an unknown too but I know more about him than I do Palin and why are they afraid to let her talk. Why? Is she really worse than we already think she is? I just cannot do it.
Is Obama my first choice, absolutely not. I just feel as if I no longer have any real options.

doc office between the insurance companies and the suing lawyers they get rich and we the dummys pay the bill for it.

“Is Obama my first choice, absolutely not. I just feel as if I no longer have any real options. ”
I know how you feel. It’s been a while since I really felt good about voting for a candidate.

vuzous: For you information Joe the plumber is smarter than Obama because he figured out Obama’s tax plan in spreading the wealth around is socialism. You can’t take someone elses tax money and give it to another person that didn’t earn it. That is socialism. Many of these puke college students don’t know what socialism means. They would vote for Obama if he was the cousin or brother of a murderer.

rodney, very little of medical costs relate to lawsuits.
Trial attorneys can serve a useful function where government refuses to police out of control corporate greed.
Insurance companies perform no socially useful function.

“Doctors and nurses are for it.”
Source?
Physicians for a National Health Care Program for one.
Also the Nurses union in CA have been trying to get single payer passed via initiative.

Not: Why can’t you buy your own insurance? There are thousands of people paying their own insurance premiums. The government shouldn’t be responsible for health insurance. Plus companies shouldn’t have to insure you.

mike
here is how it works–lawer sues doctor –insurance company pays—you pay insurance company–a rather costly circle–and you pay the bill in added insurance costs–quite simple

Mack,
I don’t remember where i originally heard the stat. The NY times has a story today on americans freeloading on the canadian system, but there are also alot more people who go there and pay for it.
Alot of procedures are cheaper in canada than they are here.

wish in hand
this may be our last chancr as we are hanhing on the brink of kaos.i predicted years ago that we will financially destruct from within—

rodney,
that is true as far as it goes, but the rise in malpractice insurance is related to two main factors. 5% of the doctors are the cause of most of the claims, and taking their licenses away seems to be difficult. Secondly, insurance companies make most of their money from investments, not from premiums. Bad investing by insurance companies is a big contributor to the cost.
All that aside, malpractice insurance amounts to about 3.2 percent of the average physicians revenues.

mike
my doctor tells me his insurance is around 70 gs a year

Wow: If you have to work two jobs your not making a lot of money. But your working so where is the economy bad? Don’t tell me about Obama, I can read him like a book without the cover. That woman who didn’t want to shake his hand is the smart one. She knows what will happen to this country if he is elected. But this generation don’t have the brains to sit on or a window to throw them out of.

PA-Voter-
In a word, yes.
You forget the moron in the white house though, he played a pretty big part.
I will not deny that the current congress makes me want to spit. First of all they had no guts. Bush should have been IMPEACHED. That man wiped his butt with the constitution and they just stood there and let him do it.
Having said that, Sarah Palin makes me throw up. She has been a great diet aid, I have lost 20 pounds the last month. Every time I go to eat a ding dong, I think of her being president and out it comes.

when i was younger you never saw lawyers adsvertising for business—-they ran a very peputible practice–it in the is the people thinking of free fortune and not smart enough to realize that they will always pay the bill in the end—-there is a lawsuit designed for everything .

mike
my doctor tells me his insurance is around 70 gs a year
That is why there are more doctors groups instead of individual practices. The HIGH cost of malpractice insurance forces them to group together. The problem with health care is the Insurance companies with their obscene profits, and then the companies who supply hospitals with such high cost supplies.

I am not afraid of the two party system going down though. I look forward to it and I believe we are seeing the beginnings of it.
Maybe it is time for the no party system. Whoever wants to run goes into the primaries. The top 2 or 4 continue on for president. Then we can look at the person and not his party affiliation.

mike
people file lawsuits for some of the most rediculas reasons and end up getting say 50 thousand–the lawyer takes half you pay costs and end up with say 20 thousand—-but the insurance companys raise premiums to cover the cost –who is the winner and whop is the loser.

I agree the problem with health care is the insurance. It isn’t the malpractice insurance though.
It is just one part of many that needs fixing. But if you are wronged by a doctor who doesn’t belong in practice you would want your right to sue. I agree that some limits on the awards are necessary but that is up to the jury.

Of the hundreds of thousands of people who are harmed by medical malpractice annually, only one in eight ever file a claim, according to a Harvard Study.
Of the thousands of people injured by consumer products each year, only ten percent file a claim to seek compensation for their losses and suffering, according to a study by the Rand Institute for Civil Defense.

mike
the point that i am making is that if people would forget the dream of something for nothing the health care cost would go down.
as much as i would be criticized for saying this—the government would have to set very strict rules on nonsense suits—there are certainly some that are valid–most are not.

mike watch the tv ads and you will get the message—use your own judgement.millions in ads mean billions in payments.

A Veteran, et al–
The problem is law suits period. I got into a little tiny fender bender. No one hurt and ended up getting my butt sued off due to “soft tissue injuries.”

The problem is law suits period. I got into a little tiny fender bender. No one hurt and ended up getting my butt sued off due to “soft tissue injuries.”
If you were the victim of real injuries would you want to sue?? If it cost you a job because of disablilites incurred would you want the right to sue?? What you need is a judge who can tell the difference and throw out frivilous lawsuits.

These girls were running around the parking lot, getting coffee and everything was perfectly fine. Three days later they are crippled for life. It is fraud.
We need to do something.
You could have taken pictures and had the charged with perjury and fraud as they do with social security disability fraud. Then they have to pay it back and then some. But I do understand where you are coming from and agree that something must be done. I am just not sure what that something is.

A veteran–
I should have taken video with my cell. I was too trusting. I changed lanes and it was my fault. I stupidly said hey, I’m sorry. This is all my fault. Here is my insurance and everything you need. My mistake.
Try to be honest and it ends up biting you.
I don’t know what can be done. Maybe a we should teach our children about honor again.

Ryan C.
Just wanted to say thanks for keeping track of all those pesky little facts that keep tripping up these supporters who make McCain look even worse than he has been doing on his own.

McStupid,
Right wingers hate facts. Just feed them a steady diets of facts and call them out as liars when they do so(and they will lie). They eventually slink away.

“Dianne Fanning is a freeper.”
Not surprised.
Just another deranged right winger trying to pawn themselves off as decent Americans.

Seriously, what is a Freeper?

Palin won’t release her medical records? I mean at all?
Why? She is 44 and appears in excellent health. That is just truly bizarre. I wonder if it is related to the depression she is rumored to suffer from.

A Veteran–
You seem incredibly honest. Curious what you think of Palin?
AM I worried if she could run the country if???? Somewhat. Was I worried when Clinton who was also just a govenor was qualified. The same.
I believe with my heart that McCain with all he has gone through in government trying to take on all of the big spenders and pork users must have told Palin what she was in for. Anyone with a weak disposistion would have declined the offer. The fact she accepted knowing the fight she was going to be getting into tells me she is a woman that has what it takes to lead. I like that she hasn’t been Washington corrupted and truly desires a change in how things are done. We desperately do need change not just in which party is in control, but in how government is run. That is why I think McCain has the best chance for that change.

A Veteran–
Well I respect your honesty, though I couldn’t disagree with you more on Palin.
Everything I have learned about her scares the heck out me. She seems about as corrupt as they get in my humble opinion. I think McCain lacked some serious judgment in this pick.
Again, though I disagree, I totally respect your decorum on this page today.

Senator Obama and Biden are spreading division and uncertainty among the middle and lower income group. His statement “Share the Wealth” simply means he will take from the hard workers and give back to the irresponsible people. Much of the legislation he passed while a state senator was that very thing. He certainly did not create new jobs in his district. In fact, they lost 11% of the jobs in the 8 years he was the senator. He is as greedy as can be–$300,000 handout from Rezko–and no taxes paid and no “Share the Wealth”.

“Rezko helped pay for Obama’s house but not the extra lot.”
No he did not. Rezko’s wife bought the adjoining lot and sold 1/6th of it for 1/6 of the price she paid for it.
The Obamas got a mortgage just like many other people.
Meanwhile, did Cindy McCain ever pay the 4 years in back taxes on the Coronado condo?

I think Obama has to explain his relationships with Ayres, Rezko and Wright.

Say what you will here, but remember
IT AIN’T OVER TIL THE FAT LADY SINGS!

1 end the war
2 health care for uninsured children
3 restore america’s standing in the world
4 tax cut for 95% of people including joe the plumber (if he buys that business and splits profits with another owner/worker as it is a 2 man shop)
5 get young people engaged in politics and service
6 a qualified VP just in case
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I’d vote for that.

Could we have a credit report along with criminal background check on Diane now please?

Have you noticed when ever Obama does these photo opportunities with a group of people who are not chosen by his campaign, it becomes embarrasing for him.
Many Real Americans dont like Obama or his plans for the country, Obama is not going to win NC unless he does some voter fraud.

HI, TO ME PEOPLE ARE STILL IN THERE OLD AGE WAYS. THAT’S WHY WE NEED SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NEW, SAME OLE POLITIC NOW LET’S SPEAK OF MCCAIN JUST TOO OLD JUST MIGHT GO INTO POST TRAUMATIC STRESS SYNDROME WHO TO SAY WHAT HE MIGHT DO.
WE AS A NATION CANNOT TKE THAT CHANCE MCCAIN BLOWING UP THE WORLD.
LIKE THE LADY SAY ATLEAST HE IS NOT A WARMONGER.JUST SOMEONE WHO WANT TO CHANGE YOUNG INTELLECTGENT SMART SPEAK WELL AND HAVE NEVER BEEN IN CAPTIVITY
THANK YOU.

“Seriously, the kind of explosive rage that’s out there is really bad for our country.”
I agree. Do you think the Obama campaign can quit throwing gasoline on the fire he has been building since before the primaries?
Probably not. That is too bad. By January, even if he wins, he will not be able to govern because his wingnut supporters will have to go under the bus and then he is left with no base.

Len… What are you talking about?
Republicans love to talk about how Obama supporters will riot if they lose. Just because Obama is black… it doesn’t mean that Obama supporters will riot… or that they are lower than Republicans. This is all just negative stereotypes.
On the other hand, you have out of control behavior at Republican rallies… where people chant “terrorist” and “kill him!” I spent most of my life voting for Republican candidates… and I have never seen this sort of behavior from Republicans. It is right to judge people based on bad behavior.
Acting and speaking violently are really bad things.
It is really dishonest to posit some equivalency between your negative stereotypes of blacks against the outlandish actions of McCain supporters. You imagine that blacks and Democrats are acting terribly… but in reality, Republicans actually are.

you know you people make sick you accuse mmcain supporters of racisim and worse and you turn around and wear t shirts that say ‘sarah palin is a **** ‘and act like thats perfectly acceptable.god help this country. go pumas

“Republicans love to talk about how Obama supporters will riot if they lose.”
It was Obama supporters who said that during the primaries.
I am a Democrat, Blip. I cannot support Obama because I do not trust him. Elect him and he will be “Mr. President” because that is our system, but trusting him is impossible. He like, he cheated, and he has misdirected. Nonesuch should serve as the commander-in-chief.

Do any of you who have used the term “socialism” understand what it means? By the way, do you realize that our government has just spent 250 BILLION dollars to basically NATIONALIZE certain banks because it had to? That’s a form of socialism. In this case, hopefully it will work.
I’m 60 years old – Diane Fanning is 54 – and would not insult a presidential candidate in such a way. Vote the way you wish, but VOTE!

Even though I made my decision for whom to vote quite some time ago, I have watched every debate, speech and news show, and read each and every article I can find, about both parties, AND have read each and every entry contained herein. It absolutely astounds me what people will say, do, yell and write, and what people will latch onto as “truth” and then continue to perpetuate without bothering to check to see if the actual facts prove that “truth” — whether or not it is a truth which they can accept. Following this blog has been extraordinary — and positively scary. I certainly do hope that there will be some fact-checking soon, before ignorance grows even more pervasive, and the name-calling escalates into something worse. There just isn’t any place in the most historic election in the history of the United States of America for the ignorance, stupidy and devisiveness which is taking the place of intelligent, thoughtful, and knowledgeable information on which to base your vote. This goes beyond petty and sad, and scary. Our future, and the futures of our children, depend on our good judgment — not on ignorance and stupidity.

The problem is law suits period. I got into a little tiny fender bender. No one hurt and ended up getting my butt sued off due to “soft tissue injuries.”
Posted by: McStupid | Oct 19, 2008 9:20:46 PM
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Many lawsuits are certainly frivolous, but not all.
I know this from personal experience. More than 2 years ago, I was crossing the street when a vehicle hit me when it ran the light.
I suffered a broken leg, a brain injury, a broken nose, broken facial bones. I underwent 2 surgeries on my leg. I spent 9 days in the hospital in the neuro ICU. I lost 5 weeks of work. Later I had surgery to fix my nose. I spent over 3 months in physical therapy learning simply how to walk again. I spent nearly 5 months in occupational and cognition therapy (for problems related to the brain injury).
To this day, I continue to have some pain in my leg, I continue to have memory problems, sometimes I cannot find the right word. I tire very easily. I have more frequent headaches. I can no longer work in my profession as I do not have the required stamina: I cannot focus for long periods of time. I am still scared to cross the street.
Is a law suit not warranted?
I am not saying I’m some perpetual victim and I don’t want to come across as a whiner, but a person’s life can change (for the worse) dramatically in an instant (It took all of less than 5 seconds for the driver to hit me). When it’s due to someone else’s actions, in fairness that someone else has to pay for it.