Voter Fraud, Voter Suppression

I’m with you. All fraudulent practices that taint the fairness of the voting process should be condemned by both candidates.

Before all the lefties here go nuts with voter caging horror stories let me ask a question. What are your opinions on requiring voters to show photo ID like Indiana? I’m all for it.

The fact is, this is hard work and there were some people that probably sat down on a couch and filled out names out of a phone book,” Matthew Henderson, Southwest regional director for ACORN, told the Associated Press. “That’s really what we’re talking about here — not an attempt to steal an election.” HUH? Why else would you do this?

The dem secretary of state in Ohio only sent out absentee ballot applications to urban areas that favor Obama. She didn’t send them out to rural areas in Ohio.
This is the biggest scandal in this election.
Of 88 counties in Ohio only 17 got absentee ballot applications from the government.
Now we are seeing the results in Cayogha county which includes cleveland the return rate for absentee requests is 16 percent because every voter in that county got a ballot application.
In Athens county the return rate is 2 percent.
Appalachia aren’t getting the ballot applications because the dem secretary of state thinks they are less favorable to Obama.
The state legislature said they would make up any costs but that still wasn’t good enough for Brunner.
So Brunner didn’t direct the counties to send the application ballots out.
So only the urban areas with bigger resources could afford to do it. So the voters in rural areas with less resources from the county BOE’s are getting disenfranchised.

Jenny Rome Ga
they would do it just to be funny…
or to look like they did a ton of work.
or because they wanted to make ACORN look bad.
no one knows why or who did this…
and nobody puts it past either side.
there are lots of reasons
stupidity or otherwise.

This is all a game on both sides… to play “Florida 2000″
keep that door open for stealing America and destroying her for 8 more years…
like what happened last time.

Oh my God… Now a muslim outreach meeting in September with activists present and Obama ‘admits it was a mistake’? This is insanity. He admits another ‘mistake’? Actions speak so much louder than words… and that ‘truth’ has been around at least since he was 8 years old, and he still hasn’t learned.

“Now we know what community organizers do”
LOL!

Obama backed ACORN, now under investigation in Ohio for giving cigarettes and casH to one voter to register 72 times, 4000 dead people registered in Houston Tx. BARRACK OBAMA MUST BE INVESTIGATED!!!!! He has Defended ACORN, MSM subverting the election, with BIAS

Apparently we need a nationwide photo I.D. voter requirement. But we all know that Democrats will rail against that as “voter suppression” and “disenfranchisement”. In other words, “we can’t cheat with that in place”.

So only the voter suppression is a “legitimate” concern? Tapper makes ACORN’s actions seem like a school prank.

I haven’t seen a lot of coverage here either, some on our local news and they showed stacks of fraudulent voter registrations…stacks, and they are stupid on top of it, listing one name dozens of times. This isn’t some little bitty problem. Funny everyone of them was ACORN, funnier still Obama worked/works for ACORN as a trainer and an attorney.

seah – Yeah we heard that here in Ga but it passed anyway. To my knowledge in our town, all people who showed up to vote were allowed to do so. Something should be done and I know Jim Crow still lives in some areas and this almost smacks of Jim Crow. But it is something.

samhiguchi
ACorn was stupid for paying people per registration not per day!
THESE PEOPLE HAVENT VOTED AND BASED ON HISTORY WONT!

“Obama worked/works for ACORN as a trainer and an attorney.”
He doesn’t, and he hasn’t worked as a trainer. As for working for them as an attorney, that was one (1) case, where where he was part of a team of attorneys who represented ACORN – alongside other voter organizations and the US Department of Justice – in a case to force the state of Illinois to comply with federal voter access law.
By your logic, the US Department of Justice is also in cahoots with ACORN.

According to our local news they do, not only are they pulling names from phone books of legitimate voters they are making them up. They told us here that if someone votes using a fake voter registration in your name, don’t worry, you still get to cast your vote on a provisional ballot. That does a lot of good, considering they can’t cancel the fake voter’s vote. So they do use them, we have been warned.

Even if you register more than once, you still only can vote once.
It happens. I registered twice one time after moving, so I could make sure that I would be able to vote on election day. I was in Ohio, and there was a rumor that election board was throwing out registrations because the paper stock was the wrong weight. So, I thought, I better make sure I am registered… and I filled the paperwork out again.
Now, I suppose a Republican would say that this is the worst crime imaginable… but I only ever voted once.
I can totally see how people might register more than once.

Danny – I agree. When you register to vote you have to have your social security number. Where are these numbers coming from. I can register as many times as I want to but am only going to appear on the rolls once because only one person has my social security number right

Hmm, note to self…Interesting how the GOP is concerned about voter fraud..(2000 Bush vs Gore), guess it takes one to know one…Afraid even this attempt will fall on deaf ears. Excuses Excuses, calm down Republicans, Nov 4 isn’t even here yet…And the idea of driver’s licenses matching current addresses is dumb. I got my license 7 years ago, graduated college, moved into an apartment and been living there for 2 years. I dont have to renew my license until 2010, so the addresses don’t match. So I can’t vote huh? LOL! Cry as you might, you can’t stop what’s happening.
O and Joe ’08

The real story is and has been electronic voting machines… and systemic voting irregularities in districts that use them.

Emm
Your still mad about the fact mccain cant be president:
To be President you have to be a natural born citizen:
Constitution setting out who is eligible to be president. Article II, which also specifies that a person must be at least 35 years old, says “No person except a natural born Citizen” can be president.
Barack Obama was born in the US so he can McCain wasnt so he can’t.
Sen. McCain is undoubtedly a citizen. He was born on Aug. 29, 1936, in the Panama Canal Zone, and Congress has specifically provided that anyone born there of U.S. parents, as he was, is a citizen. Indeed, the general rule is that anyone born of U.S. parents outside the United States is a citizen.
But is John McCain a natural born citizen? The Constitution does not define the term further, and legal scholars say the notes of the Constitution’s drafters shed little light on what they meant. It seems clear only that the founders wanted to make certain that whoever was president would be loyal to the U.S. alone and not to some other country. But the term “natural born citizen,” many scholars say, was not in common use at the time the Constitution was written.
In 1964, the Supreme Court ruled that “natural born” meant born inside the United States. In an opinion on an unrelated issue, the court observed, “The rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the ‘natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President.”
U.S. ‘never had sovereignty’ over Canal Zone Besides, many legal scholars say the Canal Zone never was sovereign U.S. territory. In a February 1978 speech to the nation on the Panama Canal Treaty, heavily vetted by government lawyers, President Carter said, “We have never had sovereignty over it. We have only had the right to use it. The US Supreme Court and previous American presidents have repeatedly acknowledged the sovereignty of Panama over the Canal Zone.”
State Department manual on U.S. citizenship has to say about children born on U.S. military installations:
Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.
McCain is a citizen due to an act of Congress which specifically provided that anyone born there of U.S. parents as he was, is a citizen.
But In 1964, the Supreme Court ruled that “natural born” meant born inside the United States.

Obama was Executive Director of PROJECT VOTE, an ACORN subsidiary, in the mid-90s.
He did work for them as a tactics trainer. Scrubbed articles have surfaced on the Internet over the last few days with pictures of Obama engaged in his “training” activites with ACORN workers in the ’90s.
As for his representation of them, he not only represented them in the “Motor Voter” case, but he also represented them in Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank, one of ACORN’s many lawsuits that pressured banks and lending agencies to make loans to lower income and ethnic groups under the Community Reinvestment Act.
So, it would appear that his ties to ACORN run slightly deeper than Obama would like to claim, just like his ties to Ayers and others.

No doubt this is one thing community organizers do – I’ve seen it here in MN – I have worked in Human Services for 20 years – and it’s about time ABC actually attempts to SAY something out loud – I am one staffperson (not an “organizier” just for this reason) that has tried to tackle this issue by myself in our organization, but when our “Executive Director(s)” have thwarted any efforts -possibly lose my job if I pushed too hard – there is only so much one person can do in an organization – no one will listen to someone going against the driving force of an organization with money and power – the ACORN voter fraud issue IS REAL – I live in a democratic state so I have not seen the republican side – just to be fair.

Ricky – Excellant. Except the Executives get massages and facials..

“Obama was Executive Director of PROJECT VOTE, an ACORN subsidiary, in the mid-90s.”
Except Project Vote WASN’T an ACORN subsidiary then…

“Right wingers are insane.”
You are obsessed with chicken, Ryan.
See those ads on TV for Obama? Those are paid for by our 401ks. See that falling Dow? That is Obama coming to tell us to turn down the heat in our homes this winter same as he told them in Chicago while he was getting a no points loan and a deal with Rezko.
When chickens came to roost, you signed up a plucker.

James:
And BBC knows EVERYTHING AND ALL–EXPERTS! What a joke.
Just like ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc.

Oh, and: “he also represented them in Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank, one of ACORN’s many lawsuits”
No, he was part of the team of attorneys that represented Buycks-Roberson. It’s right there in the name of the case.

Just because there were “other attorneys” involved, does not mean he did not represent them. He clearly did.

SandyB
Who cares Lawyers represent all different types of people and groups:
They take an oath to do so!

James
While I’m an Obama supporter, I do NOT support your view questioning McCain’s eligibility to run for POTUS.
If he were not eligible, he would never have gotten so far. There would have been enough Constitutional attorneys and other groups filing suits to stop his nomination immediately.
Add to the fact, the RNC, while I despise some of their tactics, are NOT stupid enough to have a candidate who is constitutionally ineligible. Neither party is that stupid. You think the 2000 election debacle and court involvement was bad, this would cause chaos.
No party is going to put up a candidate that can be destroyed in that manner and have their ticket invalidated, which it most likely would, and cause chaos throughout the country. Both parties have their innumerable flaws, but in this case it would be suicide.
So can we, please, drop the birth issues for both candidates? I’m sick of the complete lack of logic and common sense on this coun, from both sides.

So now Obama is trying to buy votes and cheat to win, what a crook. so do the American this man for our president, I think not.

This is SO Old
You entitled you your opinion!
There are however all ready three lawsuits in three states against McCain to challange his right to be President!
The law says he cant be President!
Now its is being tested!
PS CT Aproves gay marraige! NICE! Another steep forward for freedom!

James says:
“Woody————-
Im against photo id
Not everyone has it and everyone has the right to vote!”
No, everyone does not have the right to vote. Only citizens who are of age and who are not felons have the right to vote. Indiana provides free of charge a photo voter ID for those who do not drive and the DMV. Still opposed? Why? What better way can you assure “one person, one vote”?

How many negatives must there be against this man? How many questionable associations? How many times can he change his position on the issues to get more votes? His economic policy would be poison to a sick U.S. economy! The Democrats in charge of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac were a huge contributor to the housing market meltdown (ACORN Housing involved here, too) and yet no one is questioning them? The federal investigation into FM/FM has been postponed until after the election by Democrats who do not want the results of the investigation to reflect poorly on Obama at the polls! Where is the public outcry? Obama wants to pull out of Iraq prematurely on the one hand and advocates attacking Pakistan without provocation on the other! Is he dangerously naive or just dangerous? What the heck are we, as a nation, doing? Allowing Democrat-sponsored suicide???

kelly…if you research ACORN you will see Obama only represented them when he was a new lawyer. He won their case in which the state was preventing minorities from legally voting. He hasn’t been involved with them in years.

I am not worried about ACORN… I am worried about the GOP.
Have you seen the kind of demagogic hate rallies that McCain’s campaign events are becoming?
No offense to conservatives, because most of you are good people….
But here you have a VP who is very comfortable with extremist militia groups. You have a presidential candidate who is pals with guys like Liddy.
But more than these associations, you have the extremist rhetoric coming from the campaign itself…. whipping unstable people into a frothy hatred for Obama.
If Obama wins, I am worried that a Timothy McVeigh type is going to react with rage… because McCain, Palin, Limbaugh…. are all telling their voters that they are in a do-or-die situation.
If you imagine yourself a patriot…. and you imagine that Obama is a terrorist…. and you are obsessed with weapons…. and your hero is egging you on…. and you just lost your job… and you are feeling kind of depressed….
What do you think comes next?
If I were a Republican… I would just accept the fact that McCain might lose…. and start telling your friends to calm down and relax. The world will not end if a Democrat wins. You have a moral obligation to tell your friends to cool it before we have another OKC.

Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Chris Dodd = ACRON, Franny, Freddy = Corruption
Time to throw out all the democrats

Was ACORN paid for each new registration?
That would provide for the idiotic methodology.
There was no way for these frauds to actually vote with the names supplied.

ACORN == OBAMA ==> ACORN FRAUD MEANS OBAMA FRAUD
Is that simple?
Yes, it is simple.

“But In 1964, the Supreme Court ruled that “natural born” meant born inside the United States.”
Actually, James, the Supreme Court has never ruled on the definition of “natural born citizen”. Never. Please present a case number if you feel I’m wrong.

Paying homeless black people to get in a van and “Vote for Obama” is one of our most cherished civil rights. Let’s not let a few silly laws prevent that from happening. Go Obama!

Jenny…RIGHT ON………
If McShame and Palin had been in we would be in a war with Russia also now.
I want my kid home in one piece, not a body bag.

Balck – There are homeless white people too.

Have some of you not voted before. You can only vote once.
On the radio this morning they said it was not true about per registration pay. They were paid by the hour.
If Tony Romo is registered but does not show up to vote it doesn’t matter his vote won’ count.
I wish more people had been so concerned when I was turned away at the polls in 2000 in FLORIDA. Voter irregularities only matter when a Democrat is winning. This is not the first election this has happened by any means

Woody,
Supreme Court SCHNEIDER v. RUSK, 377 U.S. 163 (1964

Black forest…well let’s see:
How about the Republicans checking all the houses destroyed in Katrina and Ike and reporting the addresses to the voter registry as uninhabited so those people cannot vote? This is called “caging”. The 9th ward was a large majority of blacks.
Pretty sneaky…

Q: How many fraudulently registered voters will actually go to the polls to vote?
A: ZERO!
So please explain to me how does that impact an election outcome?
The hue and cry from the GOP about the fraudulent ACORN registrations is a smoke screen. Voter suppression is clearly a much more serious problem.
And let’s not forget that keeping voters away from the polls is a favorite GOP dirty trick to steal elections. Keeping voters away from the polls or not allowing them to cast a vote always works in their favor.

Gerry Adams is Irish.
Gerry Adams is a terrorist.
John Sidney McCain is Irish.
John Sidney McCain is a terrorist.
makes sense, right traitors?
my 401K has been crushed and Mr. Magoo keeps rambling about some irrelevant radical hippy. yeah, that’s going to help my retirement.
then again, i don’t have $100M and 13 houses to choose from.

“Actually, James, the Supreme Court has never ruled on the definition of “natural born citizen”. Never. Please present a case number if you feel I’m wrong.”
This is why Woody rocks even if I disagree with his political view, sometimes vehemently. He knows his history.
This issue was discussed in 1964 because Goldwater was running and he was born in AZ while it was a US territory and had yet to become a state.
But it has never been resolved by a court of law to my knowledge either.

The GOP wants to bring it up to pre-empt accusations of caging.
After they tried to purge voters whose homes were foreclosed on in Michigan and Ohio…
The GOP needs to find some sort of negative story that looks similar.
One thing the GOP doesn’t tell you… is that in most of these cases… It was ACORN itself that yanked duplicated or false registrations. ACORN is interested in making sure that they are registering actual voters who can actually vote… so they check for duplicate registrations, and they fire or retrain people who don’t do a good job.

“CLEVELAND – A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.
“Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they’ll give me a dollar to sign up,” said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.”
Change that we don’t need.

Anna – In my opinion they are several things you are missing. I do not want to drive the ABC censors crazy so I will just leave it to your and the other readers imaginations as to what you are missing.

James,
Respectfully, Rusk vs Schneider appears to deal with dual citienship of a woman whose parents became naturalized making her a citizen not a definition of what natural born is.

It seems to me that one candidate here means so much more money for the media than the other one. After how many more magazine’s will be sold because of the first _ president being inaugurated or the first – president signing a bill or the first _ president traveling abroad. Come on folkes the media bias is driven by pure profit. Do not let their bias make up your mind on who would serve you better. Make up your own mind.
If one of our candidates donated $800,000 to ACORN just after announcing his candidacy and now they are surounded by accusations of fraud. You should be outraged.
Many Americans will fall right into the media’s hands this election. Do not think for a moment that when the media needs to make a dollar the hard way, that they will not turn on thier darling and chew him up. it is their way.
America think for yourself enjoy your freedom to choose and express it this election day. Our fore fathers fought to hard for the media to take control of your thoughts.

thorn – Actually I thuink the original Democrats inivented the Jim Crow Laws etal that were designed to keep blacks from voting. AS the Deocratic party became more liberal they just changed the name to the Moral Majority and formed the radical Republicans that have totally destroyed this country. PTL

James,
While that defines native born & naturalized citizens having the same rights, its does not define native born nor does it assume their definition of native born = natural born.
I am just not seeing where the Supremes have ruled on what a natural born citizen is.

Hey all you nuts. I cannot wait for the troopergate report to be released. Then all of you will be quiet.

Why isn’t the media – especially CNN “the most biased political team on television” – offering in-depth reporting about the voter fraud going on in key battle ground states?Is it because certain media outlets are determined to get Obama elected? I’m a Democrat voting for McCain-Palin and no media poll or report has included me in any poll.. but ask me about voter fraud and I’ll tell you it’s orchestrated by the Democratic party…. I don’t have a problem with Obama.. the problem is the Democratic leadership on Capital Hill and the media who work together to get the candidate they jointly want elected- even to the point of ignoring horrendous voter fraud. Hillary Clinton is the only Democrat on Capital Hill with total intelligence and worthwhile experience to be the President – but her fellow Dem’s didn’t want her because they couldn’t control her as they can control a new comer like Obama and the media didn’t want her to be the nominee. Now the media doesn’t want MCCain to be the president and that’s why the media doesn’t care about in-depth reporting of the voter fraud in key battle ground states where Obama has taken the lead in just a few weeks. He hasn’t taken the lead because of the economy.. he’s taken the lead because of voter fraud registration and the media determined not to allow McCain to be elected. A vote for McCain and Palin is a vote against manipulation by Capital Hill politicians, the media and maniuplation by the Democrats by practicing fraudulent voting registrations.

Ryan c
Then you didnt read it!
“The rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II”
The only differnce between the two….. is one can be President
Seems clear to me! ????????

ACORN needs to be put out of business. Obama gave them $800,000 to get out the vote…a bargain by my estimation….as the fraud I witnessed yesterday was all a certain demographic…..HIS.

Ryan,
Nevermind, no amount of fact will convince some people that both Obama and McCain are considered natural born citizens and eligible to run for POTUS.

Voter registration fraud is not voting fraud. If multiple names under the same address are registered, that could mean that several people live in the same house. Oh, imagine that! It could also be the address a homeless shelter. If more people are registered than actually exist in a county, obviously there won’t be that many people showing up to vote. “Voting Fraud” is when Republicans steal elections by botching ACTUAL VOTES, DURING AND AFTER ELECTION DAY. Y’know, if the ACORN people were smart, they’d register everyone Republican. I bet you’d hear a lot less noise about “voter registration fraud”.

ACORN IS the Obama campaign… and they, much like a former Democratic Persident, got caught with their pants down!
“Citizen Services, Obama’s Campaign staff, is inextricably tied to ACORN. Along with nonprofit sister organization Project Vote, Citizens Services and ACORN share the same New Orleans address and the same executive staff while money flows freely between the three entities. In 1996, Project Vote’s tax returns show it paid ACORN more than $4.6 million for campaign services and Citizens Services more than $779,000 for legal and administrative services.” Washington Times reported.
Oh, also… The ACORN political action committee endorsed Mr. Obama for president.
I smell deep **** for B.O.!

So how many fraudulent voters have been busted during the last election cycle? Or during the last two election cycles? I believe the answer is none. Phoney baloney wedge issue. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to find that the “fraudulent” ACORN registrations were filled out by republican operatives just to blow smoke into the process. The whole thing smells like last weeks fish.

When you have convicted felons registering voters, don’t you suppose some of them are also adept at indentity fraud/theft and creating false ID’s to present at voting sites?

jpt: “There’s a case to be made to voters that any news organization, candidate, or political party that acts as if one of these two issues is a problem, but ignores the other, is only concerned about their side winning, as opposed to caring about a clean and orderly and fair election.
Most Americans, I would guess, do not see it that way. Americans are a fair-minded people who believe the election should be clean, and every eligible voter should be allowed to cast his or her ballot, without either fraud or suppression.”
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I’m not sure I understand exactly what you are saying here- my head is a little foggy this morning.
I think the case should be made that neither is appropriate, and any news organization or candidate that focuses on one and not the other is more concerned with its side winning.
Yes, every eligible voter should be able to cast his ballot, and people should be able to cast only one ballot. Ineligible voters should not be able to cast a ballot at all.
However, organizations that repeatedly seek to enter thousands of fraudulent registrations overwhelm the system and cause mistakes that will affect legitimate voters. That’s a story.

The original moderate Democratic Party has been taken over by socialists and the criminal element. Anything goes for them, corruption, distortions, stealing; liars are welcome.
Every voters in every precinct should be required to have proof of birth/citizenship before voting. My children were not allowed in school without identity proof papers. With close to 20 millions illegals (all criminals) in our country, we need to protect voting rights. Obama is financiaslly supporting ACORN and its registering dead people, illegals, etc. One person was give 72 registration forms to complete for voting by ACORN people. Some ACORN workers were telling the voters to vote for Obama–as proven on TV video.
This election will be exactly like every other election in the last 30 years, full of voter fraud and deception. If the voter is too lazy to go to the election office to register to vote, they are also too lazy to study the issues and the policies of the candidate. One Obama supporter said she was voting for Obama because “he had a cute butt.”
All political parties and citizens should demand a legal platform for our elections.

ACORN IS the Obama campaign… and they, much like a former Democratic Persident, got caught with their pants down!
“Citizen Services, Obama’s Campaign staff, is inextricably tied to ACORN. Along with nonprofit sister organization Project Vote, Citizens Services and ACORN share the same New Orleans address and the same executive staff while money flows freely between the three entities. In 1996, Project Vote’s tax returns show it paid ACORN more than $4.6 million for campaign services and Citizens Services more than $779,000 for legal and administrative services.” Washington Times reported.
Oh, also… The ACORN political action committee endorsed Mr. Obama for president.
McCain, we need you to get a little bit upset about this. Media, where are you?! This would make for some great investigative journalim… or do you feel conflicted about the whole thing?

“I wrote back indicating I have not live in Cuyahoga county Ohio since 1969 and advised them I have voted in Tennessee in the past 14 elections”
They are just trying to surpass the 105% registration record that Indiana has achieved.

Ryan C and Geting old
The Naturalization Act of 1795 that repealed the Naturalization Act of 1790:
Here again is the citation at issue from the Naturalization Act of 1790:
“… And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens:”
Here is the portion of the Naturalization Act of 1795 that repealed the Naturalization Act of 1790:
… and the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States.
Sorry but I think your wrong!

Jerry A. Wood, perhaps you need to ask another question!
Ask them IF you have voted in Cuyahoga County Ohio in ANY of the last 14 elections :)
edge.

James,
I will have to do more research then.
I still don’t see the Rusk decision defining what a natural born citizen is though.

Ryan C
Thats cool I dont see how you cant but your entitled to your opinion!
To me this seems Clear:
“The rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II”
The only differnce between the two….. is one can be President

Oh, yeah right. Half of all Indiana Acorn voter registrations are fraudulent. Try corruption.

I would like to see all those involved prosecuted to the fullest, irregardless who it is. “EVERYONE INVOLVED”. If Obama have a major part in the fraud him too. “EVERYONE”. The Dem’s didn’t like what happened in 2000 & 2004 in regards to Bush victories, crying it was stolen. So to my fellow Dem’s out there, fighting fire with fire in this case would be “WRONG”. And two WRONGS don’t make it right or even. GOBAMABIDEN.

Blip – about ACORN owning up – that’s a crock – from the inside of a similar Human Service organization (not affiliated with ACORN) THAT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN…….

Wasnt Obama the attorney for acorn??????? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

That voter fraud exists is without question. The question is how many resources have been devoted to detecting and preventing it, and the answer to that is very little indeed.
It’s called ascertainment bias. If you don’t look for it, you will certainly never find it.
Yet assuring the integrity of the voting process is fundamental to a representative form of government. Absent that, the very contract that the elected rule by the consent of the governed is invalidated, and the government ceases to have validity.

• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN community organizer.
• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
• Fact: ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992.

Obama campaign has direct ties to ACORN and they tried to hide the $800,000 they gave to ACORN to help them get the voter fraud up and running, even more.
THIS ELECTION IS RIGGED FOLKS AND WILL BE LITIGATED AND WE WILL HAVE NO PRESIDENT ON 11/5.

“Obama campaign has direct ties to ACORN and they tried to hide the $800,000 they gave to ACORN to help them get the voter”
Hiding? The reason you know about it is because it was reported in their FEC filings.
Right wingers are nuts.

jpt writes:
“Americans are a fair-minded people who believe the election should be clean, and every eligible voter should be allowed to cast his or her ballot, without either fraud or suppression.”

Obama made over $800,000 in payments to ACORN by secretly funneling it through another group. When caught red handed, Obama’s campaign agree to amend the federal report.
This smells like the millions in $ from questionable donors (like illegal donors to Obama from individuals in Palestine). Unlike McCain, Obama’s camp refuses to disclose the identities of these guys.

I have read through most of these posts and have come to the conclusion that the Obama supporters want to see America’s descent into socialism completed. You can tell by the kids today (who believe that everyone owes them) that the parents have created the expectation of socialism in our society.
The problem with the voting fraud issue is that it will not make any difference in the outcome of the election. However, it does say volumes about Obama. But America has become enamored with “making history” rather than ensuring our future.
Hopefully not too much damage will be done in the next 4 years to the core of our Republic. But at least I will know that I will have voted my conscience, lived with honor, and worked with determination.
I respect the right of everyone who is a citizen to vote for whomever they wish to. I am not a Republican or a Democrat. I am a citizen of the greatest country there is and am saddened and disgusted by what I see from both sides. You want a revolution? You want real change? Vote no for both Obama and McCain and demand better. The lesser of two evils is not a choice, it is an abomination.

“The Affordable Housing Fund Trust goes to state and local governments. Same with the Capital Magnet Fund.
Once that happens the Feds have little say over how the state & local government choose to spend that money provided they are following federal law.”
I’ll take your word on the funding process. If it is as you’ve stated and the Feds have little direct control over state distributions they still plenty of options. They could withold funding in its entirety to any state that is passing it along to ACORN until they have a guarantee from the state that ACORN will be shut off, much like they can withold education money for failing school systems or highway money for cities that fail EPA clean air standards. Federal money always comes with strings attached. That’s how they weild their influence, and one of their favorite tricks is to punish all for the sins of a few.
“And I think it would be highly discriminatory(from a legal sense, not racial)to single out one organization be prevented receiving the grants.”
Discriminatory? Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. States are duty bound as caretakers of the public trust to be discriminatory (in the legal sense of course). They must apply a discriminating litmus test to recipients of funds in order to identify and disqualify corrupt or criminal organizations.

“Supreme Court SCHNEIDER v. RUSK, 377 U.S. 163 1964
“The rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II”
The only differnce between the two….. is one can be President”
Dude, where do you see anything in this language that defines what a “natural born” citizen is? “Native born” does not equal “natural born”. Therein lies the rub.
The only thing this statement says declaritively is all citizens of the US, no matter how that citizenship is attained, are afforded the same rights and protections under the law. And hooray for that! It very distinctly does not equate “native born” with “natural born”. The author had an opportunity to do so and declined.

James,
Glad I could provide a laugh, but you’re logic defies, well, logic.
BTW, I agree that McCain doesn’t have a prayer and that’s fine with me. As long as Obama/Pelosi/Reid don’t completely destroy what’s left of the country it’s setting up nicely for my guy in ’12.

cincyr??? these are NOT FACTS
• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN community organizer.
YES HE WAS
• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
YES HE DID
• Fact: ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992.
YES IT WAS… and just stating something as “fact” does not make it so…
I think you need to look up the definition of “fact” You obviously you don’t have a clue about non-profits.

Who cares about ACORN.

MayBee: To register to vote no one needs ID—all you need do is pick up a form, fill it out, turn it in or mail it. When it’s time to vote you need your registration card or an ID and that is checked against the list the poll workers have at the voting site. If your name isn’t on the list you are either at the wrong polling place or your not registered.

James wrote: “THESE PEOPLE HAVENT VOTED AND BASED ON HISTORY WONT!”
That is simply NOT TRUE! In 2004, there was a county in Washington State, that actually had more votes cast than registered voters. There are many counties across the United States that have identified votes CAST–by individuals that had been deceased for years–and COUNTED.
Those of you who believe that these fraudulent voter registration cards are the work of just a few bad individuals are wrong. ACORN knows that their workers will cheat since they are paid per registration card. They have been doing this for years. And they continue to pay per registration card.
Congress should pass a law prohibiting organizations from paying ANYONE for registering voters. This should be done on a voluntary basis only.

This is SO OLD, actually the United States Naturalization Act of January 29, 1795 repealed the 1790 act.

Not being able to prove who you are opens the door to fraud.
Some states provide free voter picture id cards. We should make it nation wide.

Josh, if a homeless person is able to receive mail at a particular shelter, then I say fine. Register the individual and let him or her vote. That is the key. But if that homeless shelter does not allow mail for their residents, then sorry the answer is no. You need a mailing address. Now that might seem cruel, but apparently some Democrats find it cruel that we require voters to be American citizens!

All you “get ACORN” nuts act like these were all just turned in yesterday! These were turned in over a period of something like 14 months, and the ACORN employees who were discovered have been terminated. ACORN itself informed state officials about the questionable registrations collected by its employees that are now under investigation.
The fact is ACORN has been a target for the GOP for years because they work to register voters in some of the “not so well off” neighborhoods, and the GOP doesn’t want those people to vote. Some ACORN employees did improper things and they were fired. A couple thousand fraudulent registrations are under investigation, out of 1.3 million! It is sad that these employees have tainted the election process, however, election fraud has gone on with BOTH SIDES for decades. This is not new, and it shouldn’t even be news.
Yes, Senator Obama has a few ties to ACORN…

At the risk of sounding paranoid, has it occurred to anyone that it would be a simple matter for the McCain campaign or the RNC to place moles at ACORN and create this mess for the purpose of giving them an opportunity to cry foul? Sounds crazy right?
I have two words for you: Karl Rove.

What a crime to avail the right to vote to everyone! How horrendous to fight redlining, only the rich should have credit available to them! (Which they already do, if they happen to be executives in large corporations, at an extremely low interest rate!)
Do you guys actually listen to yourselves when you communicate? I am not in the least bit worried about somebody registering a bogus name except for the fact that the name gatherer is committing fraud against the agency who is paying and not doing his/her job, but when it comes to voting, you come to a specific polling place, you show ID (which I think is next to being a poll tax), show a voting registration card (which I think is necessary), find your name and write your signature (which is checked against the signature on your registration card) and vote, sometimes after waiting for up to a half hour depending on the turnout.
I would think you would have to pay someone quite a bit of money to do this more than once, plus they would have to do it in less than 12 hours! What nonsense!
As for having more voters than are registered, that is election fraud, which was proven without doubt for both the 2000 and 2004 elections, but not federally prosecuted due the nature of our corrupt Department of Justice that prosecute only who the administration dictates they should prosecute.
In my state you are now required a pictured ID card. For those of us who drive, this is not much of an issue, but for those who don’t, you could either get an absentee ballot, or go on-line (so access to a computer) or find the phone number of a government worker who could advise you as to what documents are acceptable as proof of who you are and where you live, arrange for transportation to take these to a department of licensing office, get a number for your place in the que, wait from 30 minutes to 2 hours until your number is called (if you are physically able), get a picture taken and pay $20.
So
1) you have to have the right documents
2) you must find a way to get to the licensing office
3) you must have the leisure of having to wait and still have transportation home
4) you must be physically able to travel and wait
5) you must pay $20
This was never required before, and I think it is an undue hardship, especially for people dependent on others who should have the right to vote. Much of the documents required refer to bills or documents that a homeowner would accrue, but what of a dependent, be it elderly, or younger without a driver’s license? As our economy worsens more and more extended families are living in one abode, does that mean only the owners have a right to vote? Doesn’t this go back to one person, one vote?
Where are your values?
Don’t you think that all should have a voice in who are leaders should be?
And remember this: the “news” organization that espouses the view that voting fraud is a paramount problem for the nation and for whom O’Reilly works once won a lawsuit defending its right NOT TO TELL THE TRUTH as the FCC states that telling the truth is a guideline not a statute, and they had plenty of “friends” who included themselves.
Attorney General David Iglesia was fired because he could not find enough evidence of voter fraud to prosecute.