When Democrats Win on Taxes, They Win Elections

Obama is not going to win this argument! It has been clear that he started off saying people who earn 1 Million a year, than he dropped it down to 250,000.00 in his Debate third debate he said 200,000.00 and his recent Web add backs that up see link below. Now we have Biden out there saying 150,000.00 which is a far cry from the 1 Million Obama started at back in 2007!
I think the American People are really starting to open their eyes to this guy and his numbers are slipping very slowly! The New Gallop Poll shows him up only 2 now, and with 6-8% undecided it is not looking good for Team Obama! Below is the link of Obama’s web add which he clearly states $200,000.00 not the 250,000.00 he has been saying!
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79319

People are going to believe and hear what they want to believe and hear. If it sounds too good to be true, IT IS.

George, you are not being honest.Most of the major polls show he is losing that spin.You media people are really a joke who ever wins.R.I.P media.

Dear George:
Of course, Obama will say anything until he get elected, but read this
“3. Obama advocated dramatically increasing taxation on “the rich” even up to the 100% level, arguing that, “there is no limit to taxation if the benefits derived from public services by society measure up to the cost in taxation which they have to pay” (p. 30) and that, “Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed.” (p. 31)…….from “Obama Hid His Father’s Socialism From Readers.”.. from his own paper.

Lisa Again: “People are going to believe and hear what they want to believe and hear. If it sounds too good to be true, IT IS.”
Exactly. And what I hear John McCain saying is big tax cuts for everyone and reduction in the deficit by cutting pork – which in TOTAL are less than 10% of the annual deficit.
And you think Senator Obama, who admits where and how he’ll move to get the budget balanced, is the one spewing too good to be true fantasies?

Of course, and George lives in an alternative universe. George has an incentive in saving the Obama candidacy when he corrected him on his faith. Yup, George doesn’t have any bias in this…

Yes, Obama is winning the tax argument, and McCain is a fool to have not come up with his own tax plan for the middle class that is the equal to Obama’s. If McCain did that, he would win. His advisors are fools too, but he is the one who is listening to them.
But there is a chance McCain still can win, because the public is beginning to see that Obama is a socialist, and the public will not elect a socialist, once they know that’s what he is.
It’s not the tax argument alone that makes him a socialist. It’s that the tax argument is the tip of the iceberg for a whole socialist way of thinking — including massive wealth redistribution, massive government spending programs so that the government will start giving people what the government is obligated to give them under the due process clause of the constitution (to use Obama’s own words in his recently revealed 2001 interview.
It also includes massive socialist judicial activism by the radically liberal judges he will appoint to the Federal Judiciary.

So, you GOP apologists still don’t get that McCain is a tired, old, wounded warrior fighting a losing battle in this election? Palin, the big drag, is looming behind him like a shadow in a daylight that he cannot run away from. Bush’s failed economic policies which McCain voted for 95% of time plague him like a terminal cancer. McCain’s judgement is flawed. Keep up with the wishful thinking—it gives temporary relieve in times of hopelessness.

Fools: “Tell us George, what then happened when Clinton got in office after he ran on lowering taxes?”
He balanced the budget, approved welfare reform that halved the rolls, oversaw a major economic expansion, and handed off such a large SURPLUS to President Bush that one of President Bush’s first moves was to literally send everyone a few hundred dollar check (and cut taxes, since Republicans seem to love running up the national credit card and can’t stand to be without a deficit).
Thanks for the memory. It’s a much fonder one than the disaster of Republican “Read my lips: no new taxes.”

Janice, if you dislike ABC so much, why are you on here commenting. George is just telling things from his point of view. The problem with people in the US is that they want their own views, but they want everyone else to agree with them. Learn to respect the fact that others have different opinions and that the reporters for the news media have a right to their own opinion. The problem with Republicans is that they want to supress any opinion that does not support their own. And by the way, I want Obama to win too. That’s why I have voted for him. So has my family and my co-workers. Unless you know the entire population of the US and all those who vote, how in the world would you know what the rest of us think.
Obama/Biden 08!!!!

Anyone with a brain knows that the tax system right now is not working. McCain wants more of the same. If you agree with him you’ll vote for McCain. Like most Americans I want to change the tax structure to get our country back on track.

I don’t think anyone seriously believes they’re going to receive a tax cut. It’s just all talk to get your vote. Get real.

Clinton lived off Reagan’s economy. He did not build one himself. The liberals are pathetic. Support yourselves for once. No more handouts. Stand on your own two feet. Your messiah has no experience and will be even more lost than his supporters are now. Conservatives will survive either way because we are used to working hard for a living and not waiting on the next welfare check in the mail.

So what’s up with the R’s? guess it’s a case of “If you don’t like the message,attack the messenger.” We’ve seen it everytime someone comes out with news that doesn’t fit with their narrow view. What we hear is “the liberal press.” Give us a break guys.

Dear Rob and anyone else living in denial:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=6099188&page=1
I dare you to read it.

janice, when was the last time that Hannity and the rest of the Fox noise loud mouths said anything positive about Democrats? They are always accussing the Democrats as “liberals.” I guess the Democrats should accuss the Republicans as “conservatives” with a warped economic mentality.

chuck
What planet are you on?

I don’t doubt for a moment that Obama is winning on the Tax issue by double digits. Americans have had enough of the Republican redisribution (read: theft) of wealth from the middle class to the super rich. By allowing the tax rates to go back to the way they were under Bill Clinton, Obama is simply changing the tax code to bring tax cuts to the people who need them the most, the middle class. If you make more than $250K a year, by all means if a 3.9% tax increase and war with Iran is what you’re into, then vote for McSame/YouBetcha. The rest of us making less than $250K will most likely be voting for Obama/Biden.

George!
You are so dishonest and creepy!
Why are so in love with Obama? You have been so biased towards him since day 1. Why?
I dont think he is a bad man and I even think he might be a good president but the media is so dishonest in their portrayal of him. He is not the Messiah……
you will see….

Oh how the Repugs are on the postings tonight! Blame everyone for what ails…..the media….the Dems….the trees…..the grass…….
So quick to point the finger and never taking ownership for their own mistakes.
laughable

It’s so funny reading the conservatives posts. They just keep repeating hoax E-mails, word for word. They don’t have a clue and are living the in the fear generated by the Bushites. You conservatives just need to give it up because you’re not going to change anyones opinion with those discounted lies, except to make more of them vote Obama. You’re better off staying off these message boards if you want McCain to have a chance.

I wonder what ABC is going to say when McCain wins next tuesday, I know that they want nobama to win but it aint going to happen. These polls are so one sided and inaccurate.

I use to belong to the NAZI party until i got to fat to wear them sexy NAZI uniforms
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I bet you take pride in being an imbecile.

25% reduction in military defense and raising taxes on 5% of Americans doesn’t add up to the trillion in new BHO spending. Of course he’s got to tax everyone. McCain is saying Americans pay enough and he’d like to see it spent more wisely. Can’t argue with that.

Posted by: chuck | Oct 28, 2008 7:41:40 PM
Obama is not going to win this argument! It has been clear that he started off saying people who earn 1 Million a year, than he dropped it down to 250,000.00 in his Debate third debate he said 200,000.00 and his recent Web add backs that up see link below. Now we have Biden out there saying 150,000.00 which is a far cry from the 1 Million Obama started at back in 2007!
I think the American People are really starting to open their eyes to this guy and his numbers are slipping very slowly! The New Gallop Poll shows him up only 2 now, and with 6-8% undecided it is not looking good for Team Obama! Below is the link of Obama’s web add which he clearly states $200,000.00 not the 250,000.00 he has been saying!
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79319
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No Chuck, your eyes seem to be the only ones that are open. You can’t believe half of the info on the net. I know, you are going to say that’s reliable, But I say WHO CARES,it’s too late in the game. You aren’t interested in taxes, YOU JUST HATE PRESIDENT OBAMA!

Most of the Obama trolls are really George Stephanopoulos and Jake Tapper.
NBC = Nothing but Barack Channel
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Except you are on ABC.
Paige
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LOL

Okay,okay: enough of this media bias. From now on ABC should say that McCain is leading in all polls. That will make the Republicans apologists very happy. How’s that for a change?

ABC is the All Barack Channel
I just love George Stephanopoulos comb over hair doo

chad: “HEY 539 you left out thru the entire decade 0f the 1990s his inaction everytime we were attacked led to the events of sept.11″
When President Clinton tried to kill Bin Laden, Republicans DENOUNCED HIS ATTACK ON BIN LADEN ON THE SENATE FLOOR. Don’t you remember the impassioned speeches about “Monica missiles?” Thanks for putting scoring partisan points ahead of killing Bin Laden BEFORE 9/11.
I remember the 90′s well, and I still have not forgiven the Republicans for their craven partisan antics that time has only made look more damning. You can live in your Big Lie reality, but the majority of America can remember more than what they heard on talk radio a few hours ago and reality has unmasked Republican incompetence time and again.

Hopefully this election will send what’s left of the Republican coalition of religious wing-nuts, know-nothings, neocolonialist neoconservatives, and jingoism to its natural dead-end. Ron Paul endorsed BJ Lawson in the 4th district in North Carolina. We need more people like this in Congress. I was impressed enough to donate to his campaign and I don’t even live there.

The first poster needs to improve his reading comprehension. Obama’s plan raises taxes 3 percent after $200,000 of TAXABLE income for singles and $250,000 for married people. Watch him on Wednesday night as he spells out his economic proposals.
Meanwhile, McCain wants to continue the Bush tax cuts that he called “unconscionable” (another word for unscrupulous) a few years ago. McCain has sold out completely to the religious right and to the wealthy elite who have been running the country for the past 8 years!
Definitely…Vote Obama!!!

The republican ideology has proven to be wrong on practically all fronts. They’re wrong on deregulation. They’re wrong on their economic trickle down theory. They’re wrong about weapons of mass destruction, the reason for the Iraq war. They’re wrong about global warming. They’ve made a mess of our economy, environment, and left our reputation in tatters. No wonder Obama is doing well! Wake up people. You can’t keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. That, my friends, is the definition of insanity!

Did you know, according University of California economist who did the research, that after WWII until 1976 that 95% of American’s income increased 64% and top 1% increased 20%? Those were boom years for American middle class. After republicans began to dominate the White House and up till now, the bottom 95% have seen a decrease in income and the top 1% have seen their income increase 232%. 232%! That was not an accident. It was arranged by greed, by laws to favor the wealthy, by tax loop holes for the wealthy etc. There has not been this large a gap between the top and bottom since just before the great depression. If we keep it up, we’ll get another great depression because the economy is out of balance. Trickle down isn’t working. If it was, with that large an increase in wealth for the top 1%, the country should be booming. It isn’t socialism to return the tax rate to what it was before Bush’s “temporary” tax cut. The top 1% now have a collective wealth of $19 Trillion and the other three hundred million Americans have a collective wealth of $17 Trillion. America’s economy and the world’s economy that depends on it does not work unless America’s middle class is doing well and buying stuff. The middle class can’t do that if big corporations move all the jobs to foreign countries to increase their bottom line on cheap labor with no environmental controls and tax breaks for doing it. We’d better smarten up. Vote Obama if you’re hoping that your kids will live in an America you knew. In all these months and after three debates, John McCain has not shown any important ways that his economic policies differ from George W. Bush’s. He hasn’t been six months since the last time that McCain bragged to the Wall Street Journal that they would never interview a bigger de-regulator than he is. It is insanity when something isn’t working to cling to it because you’re afraid to try something new.

seansatx….I’m not going to blame anyone if McCain loses. You win some you lose some…I don’t expect to get a trophy when I lose and then cry when I don’t get one.

I was off today and decided to listen to Hennedy and Savage. I have decided that I will switch my vote to McCain.————–JUST KIDDING!! These guys didnt once talk about any merits of McCains. All they did was slam Obama and hype on ACORN and Ayers. Hennedy is realy something. Once in a while he will let a Obama phone caller come on. It obvious that he only lets the Obama callers come on that are clueless and not well up on the facts or in intelligence. Hennedy is full of it and Savage is full of himself. I dont even grace Rush with my ears. What a couple of idiots and they dont realize what McCain and Palin dont realize. If they spen as much time talking and selling McCains ideas and merits they could have had a real shot, but instead they have devoted all their time to smear. The Rove way of politics has gone to the past where it belongs.

Wow!!!
I guess 95% of working Americans really DO WANT a tax cut after all!

this liberal dem is voting mccain; have lied to pollsters who called and i think their are many like me. surprise! on nov. 4th.

Anyone who has ever voted for President based on tax issues, has voted to redistribute wealth. The ONLY question is whether we redistribute it up or down. Bush redistributed it upward, and now we want it BACK.

Vote for Obama if you like lies
Martin Luther King was a RACIST Republican
Obama/Biden 08 :-)

I am going to stage RACE RIOTS all over the country when Obama loses
Obama/Biden 08 :-)

Why are the polls never right when it is against the McCain camp . it’s always the bias liberal media this and that . Now if we are going to use polls then let’s take them for there word and because some McCain/Paline supporter does not agree fair enough, but you can’t have it both ways.

Jimbo- You are dead on right! The fact of the matter is America is lazy! They want to work as little as possible and take advantage of the system and receive every possible handout. Should my wife and I be punished because we both have graduate degrees and work very hard 6 and sometimes 7 days of the week? I think not. All these people who continue to complain and whine, need to get out there, go to school, and work harder or STOP COMPLAINING!

jock59801: stop that. you are making sense. you damn democrat.

Obama made it crystal clear to Joe the Plumber that he plans a massive redistribution of wealth — taking your wealth!
Just so you know, Obama’s plan defines ‘rich’ anyone making over $90,000 a year, because that’s when his FICA tax cap comes off and you start paying an addition 7% of tax on each and every dollary you earn above the cap!
And if you are making just $50,000 a year or more — expect to pay another 4.5% on each and every dollar you earn starting in 2010. That’s when the Bush tax cuts expire.
‘President Obama’ has emphatically states he will expire those cuts for “rich” people like you.
Obama’s crazy plan must be stopped. It will not only cost you money, it will throw the U.S. economy into a depression.

My family income is over 200k and I’ll do just fine under Obama… The few hundred dollar extra a year for a better country is well worth it!

Amen Elisabeth, truer words have never been spoken.

You people are idiots! It may have been a long 8 years, but not bad enough to let that socialist and his jabber mouth idiot VP take office.

Why do the republicans always blame the liberal media? Aren’t there any of them smart enough to become journalists?

I wish people, and think a lot do, is understand that its not just the economy and taxes. Thats only part of the big broken picture. Yea I know both Dem and Rep are responsible for the current economic crisis and the American people are too.—But we also have a failed administration on so many levels. Immigration, border security. Mexican Army can cross our border and hold our agents at gun point as an example. FDA, trade commision. The outsourcing of jobs and giving money and economic growth to other countries while ours economic growth slides down hill.
Crime and prisons and drugs and reablitation. On and on and on. From all to Katrina to a war we shouldnt even have started. Poor management for our military. What if we were to be attacked right now and our military is spread so thin we cant even respond. On and on. So thats why the Ind. for only the second time in 32 yrs will be supporting Obama for President.

Don’t you all realize that McCain wants to create jobs for Americans by letting the richest people in this nation keep all their money.
when did it become a bad thing to earn money, to save money. to do well. you do know that you can go without contributing to those big business don’t you. nobody told you to where to spend your money, if you don’t like the corporations, go to the local grocer. go to the little mom and pop store. save your money, don’t buy on credit. what is wrong with opening up your own business? no, i don’t have a lot of money and i do pay taxes but why do you hate people that do well. no one is holding a gun to your head to put your money in their pockets. i would personally be happier if they would just increase pay with the increase with everything else. i don’t believe he isn’t going to raise taxes and we can’t possibly be expected to believe that obama doesn’t have some people with money in his pocket, i doubt all those democrats on the hill are poor for crying out loud. he is a politician, he is saying things to get your vote!

jhw539
Check out the HBO documentary called “Hacking Democracy”. Scary stuff!
The company that builds the voting machines (Diebold) is owned by a major Republican contributor.
In the 2000 presidential election, an electronic voting machine recorded MINUS 16,022 votes for Al Gore in Volusia County, Fla.
While fraud was never proven, the faulty tally show the very real possibility of computer hacking during elections.
In Florida, Leon County supervisor of elections Ion Sancho presided over a trial “mini-election” to see if the vote could be hacked without being detected. Before votes were actually cast, a computer analyst “stuffed the ballot box” by entering votes on the computer’s memory card.
Then, after votes were cast, the results displayed when the same memory card was entered in the central tabulating program indicated that fraud was indeed possible.

SARAH PALIN RAISED TAXES ON OIL COMPANIES, TOOK THE MONEY, AND RE-DISTRIBUTED IT TO WORKING CLASS ALASKANS.
Does anyone else notice the complete hypocrisy in her attacks against Obama?

My family income is over 200k and I’ll do just fine under Obama… The few hundred dollar extra a year for a better country is well worth it!
Posted by: ProudLiberal76 —————————Amen and its worth it to many. Obama 08

Folks like Ed need to get facts correct. McCain does not say “business as usual”. He is saying cuts for ALL. That’s what’s needed now. Obama can keep his little cut – I’d rather have a good paying job that pays me month after month. A little “bonus” check once a year from the gov’t isn’t going to cut it for most folks!

Sorry to burst your balloon little Georgie but Obama is NOT winning the tax argument! First it’s $250K, then it’s $200K and now its $150K. People are wising up to the real Obama. Try to be a honest journalist you little Obama pretty boy!

FLORIDA IS OBAMA COUNTRY !!! +27 !!!

If we go with McCain’s health plan, say good bye to your employer based health plan. On top of that if you do get the plan from employer, get ready to be taxed on the benefits. Wake up people. Republicans are rich and it matters not to them but to us in the middle, we can not afford McCain’s plan.
About taxes, we have a big military and entitlements (now termed socialistic) such as SOCIAL SECURITY and MEDICARE. So, what is the fuss even if taxes do go up slightly. WE need to pay for services provided by Government. Where do you think the money is coming from.
Vote for Obama. Old man is nut to vote for.

All Obama is doing is rolling back the tax cuts for the wealthy that Bush gave them. Duh, they won’t be paying anymore taxes than what they did under Clinton and during the Clinton years everyone made money. Those mom & pop business won’t stay in business if the top 2% get all the wealth because they run the mom & pops out of business and the middle class don’t get tax breaks then we don’t have money to buy from the mom & pops which runs them out of business. Trickle down economy has not worked. It’s only made the very wealthiest get wealthier and the rest fall way behind. Obama believes in a bottom up economy which makes for a much more stable economy.

Iron Lady
Well, I certainly hope so.

MBNA Joe
George is just referring to a specific poll that says Obama has a ten-point lead over McCain on the tax issue. How is that dishonest?

Los Angeles Times
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Fax: (213) 237-7679
Call the L.A times and ask them why they are refusing to release a 2003 video of Obama.
In the article — based on the videotape obtained by the Times — Wallsten said Obama addressed an audience during a 2003 farewell dinner for Khalidi, who was Obama’s colleague at the University of Chicago, before his departure for Columbia University in New York. Obama said his many talks with Khalidi and his wife Mona stood as “consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases.”

Obama lies.

I do not understand people are so naive to believe Obama is going to only raise taxes for family making more than $250K. He can change his definition of rich any time because he strongly believes in redistributing the wealth.

I disagree that Obama is winning the tax argument. McCain has closed the gap in the polls significantly from 2 – 7 points in the polls. Prior to McCain presenting Obama’s tax problems, the gap was double that amount. Notwithstanding the above, as Joe Biden and Hillary said, Obama is not ready to be President. In addition, Biden said that he would be honored to be on the same ticket with McCain.

Obama is a liar

96 % OF VOTERS SAY THEY HAVE ALREADY MADE THEIR MIND FOR WHO TO VOTE.
ONLY 4 % REMAIN UNDECIDED AND MAY OR MAY NOT VOTE.
IN MOST POLLS THE GAP BETWEEN OBAMA AND MACCAIN IS AN AVERAGE OF 6 TO 8 POINTS.
UNLESS THESE ELECTIONS ARE STOLEN AS IN 2000 AND 2004, THE REPS ARE TOAST !!!
TO STEAL THE ELECTIONS IS THEIR ONLY HOPE, AND REPS ARE VERY GOOD AT DOING THAT !!!

Justin, see how easily you can fall for lies? Someone impersonates me pretending to be an Obama supporter saying ridiculous things making you fear Obama and his supporters.

watch fox news i mean Faux news.

What’s all this crap about Obama’s tax plan and the redistribution of wealth? For all practical purposes, we are already living in an aristocracy – where our government is controlled by those who have the most status and influence. Without money, no one gains much status or influence. For the most part, power in America is exercised by the hereditary elite. The French Revolution fought those (the aristocrats) who had achieved staus and influence by birth rather than by merit. If America were to do what is called for in the Bible – as it relates to the year of Jubilee – all of our land would be returned to the Indians. Moreover, too many families in America inherited wealth accummulated by their ancestors based on the use of slave labor. Are you satisified living in an aristocracy? You say you don’t believe we live in an aristocracy? How about this? Data from the latest Survey of Consumer Finances suggest that wealth is concentrated in the hands of a small number of families. The wealthiest 1 percent of families owns roughly 34.3% of the nation’s net worth, the top 10% of families owns over 71%, and the bottom 40% of the population owns way less than 1%. In terms of types of financial wealth, the top one percent of households have 44.1% of all privately held stock, 58.0% of financial securities, and 57.3% of business equity. The top 10% have 85% to 90% of stock, bonds, trust funds, and business equity, and over 75% of non-home real estate. Since financial wealth is what counts as far as the control of income-producing assets, we can say that just 10% of the people own the United States of America. Certainly given these statistics you cannot in all honesty oppose a plan that gives 95% of Americans a tax break. That top 1% (or 5%) should be paying huge amounts of taxes – after all, our military is there to protect their huge accumulation of wealth. If you own a $5,000,000.00 house don’t you think the homeowner’s insurance would be a whole lot more than what a person owning a $60,000.00 house would have to pay?

Obama’s quasi military draft
http://blog.unheardamericanvoices.com/2008/10/24/the-quasi-military-draft-in-barack-obamas-budget-by-karen-hill.aspx?ref=rss

IT’S THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE STUPID !
Obama 277
McCain 174
Tossup 87
OBAMA/BIDEN ’08 !

Doreen, sorry but McCain is not qualified to be President. He has neither the intelligence nor the temperment to be President of the United States. McCain is a reactionist not a visionary. McCain reacts to situations hour by hour and not very well, mind you. He reacts and changes his stances on a daily basis. He does not have the intellect nor the emotional intelligence to deal with crisis. He can’t deal with face-to-face with Obama effectively so how could he deal with adversaries of the U.S. effectively?

I fianlly see the republican logic! I can’t believe it! It’s so clear. Forget critical thinking skills.
Son of Sam used a gun to kill people, therefore all gun holders are serial killers.
McCain worked with the Alaskan Senator, so he is also a criminal.
McCain supports the collection of wealth from the middle class to help the rich, so he is proposing a monarchy.
The White House is actually the White only House.
I get it! Wow, how easy you can conclude when you don’t have to apply logic, facts, and critical thinking!
Vote for Queen Palin!

It’s beyond imagination as to why anyone making less than $200,000 a year would think that McCain was working in their best interests. McCain is a gambler and he wants to gamble away our future.

Right-wingers always have to bring out the boogey-man to scare voters. That is their modus operandi, how they try to keep their power. It works on the low information voters but it won’t work on the majority of Americans this time…not this year.

Read your Bible and learn that God owns everything as opposed to McCain’s mentality that people have earned what they own and it is theirs to keep – McCain loses! Try to sell America on Reagan’s trickle-down theory – McCain loses! Try to empower the middle class – Obama wins! Try to say Obama’s view of wealth is wrong – McCain loses!

I hope you all will remember that George is a Democrat. Geezzzz folks. Another slanted story by the media.

Tell us George, what then happened when Clinton got in office after he ran on lowering taxes????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Posted by: Fools
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HE BALANCED THE BUDGET FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME, That’s what happened!!

The truth is that both McCain and Obama are good men, intelligent and knowledgeable. Both want to do what is best for America. They disagree on what that requires, and our job is to vote for the one who most agrees with our own views on what we should be doing.
That is why I am voting for Barack Obama, because I agree with him most of the time, and do not McCain. I am voting for Obama because he is the first candidate in a long time who seems to talk to us like we are intelligent adults. Because every issue I have heard him speak about, I have been impressed with his knowledge of the complexities and balances involved. He is also one of the most eloquent speakers and writers we have had as a candidate for awhile, which would be a very refreshing change.
I am voting for Barack Obama because he has shown an understanding of the need to return fairness and justice to America and the world. We have been waiting for such a candidate for a very long time, and were starting to despair of it. The craving for real change is much deeper than people seem to realize. It will not be denied.

Angus = Obama is a whole lot more qualified than stupid Palin. As for McCain, just because he’s been there forever doesn’t make him intelligent. Look at his VP choice and the way he’s running this campaign, not to mention the way he’s supported Bush the last 8 years.
Besides as a normal Repub, you twist words… Obama has more experience than a partial senate term. Nice try though.

jock59801, I couldn’t have said it better:-)

Republican are always says socialized medicine is terible, All our allies have it, and in the 41 yrs of my life I am unaware of a massive death toll as a result. As for all these horrible socialist allies we have, they beat us in education, stardard of living, crime rates are lower etc. The only category we seem to lead in is productivity. And this is the American workers reward? Wall Street and Big Oil running over us and its a democracy? When the Republican are about to find out what democracy is all about. MAJORITY RULE!!!

cinkid56
Well, no, it was not very succint, but it sounds fine to me.

What a laugh.
Talk about cherry picking polls.
How about Gallup showing only a 2% gap between the Messiah and McCain?
If it were the other way around, and Obama had closed it that much, we all know that would be the huge headline of all the major media players.
But it doesn’t serve their choice, so they craft the “news” to for something like this.

Anybody with half a brain has to realize with the debt America is in right now,through Bush’s extravagant spending, mostly in a war we didn’t need to spend our taxes on. I stll believe in a true democracy, “we the people” should have the final vote when going to war, since it’s our tax dollars that fund a war. Barack Obama is a very upfront, honest person with indegrity, that is telling the voters how it has to be in raising taxes, but in a fairer more evenly distributed way of taxing Americans to keep the middle class strong by not overtaxing them, but by taxing the extremely rich more, since they got rich off of the backs of the hard working, taxpaying middle class in the first place. Obama is a much more clear thinkning person, that looks at the whole picture in a situation, and demonstrates his senseable way of leadership. McCain has proven to be more of a go along with the crowd type person, in going along with Bush 90% of the time. We want a leader, not a follower.

Geroge Consider this reality. Your one with a secure job and you are not an employer. “One of the largest root causes of our economic problem relates to the fact that the majority of elected officials in both parties have never owned or operated a small business of any kind. The laws they have passed reflect this reality. Very few Politicians know what it is really like to actually create a job, to borrow personal money to meet a payroll. They have Government jobs with paid benefits. They say that they are going to provide more jobs, but listen closely, only one is telling you how these jobs will be created and where they will come from. It is difficult to create jobs when your party is killing the job creators, the small business owners. McCain is the best of the two candidates for small business owners. Small business owners are the largest employers in America. Protect them and they will create the jobs”.

Tim
To avoid cherry-picking polls, most people go to one of the poll summary sites like RCP or pollster. They currently both have averages of +6.7 for Obama, which is indeed slightly less than the 7.5-8 he had last week.
He is also at least 7 points ahead in enough states to win.
Are polls always right? Of course not, but I would still rather be ahead than behind.

Actions speak louder than words, but results speak loudest of all. Just look at the state of our economy: with Republican George Bush in the White House, there hasn’t been a “redistribution of wealth”, there’s been a wholesale “annihilation of wealth”. People’s savings and investments have evaporated in a matter of weeks. Nine straight months of job losses. Record home foreclosures. The necessity of a government bailout of a collapsed financial system. A major recession either already here or soon to occur. Just like his father George Sr., Bush Jr. is ending his term with a major recession, with the middle class and poor hit hardest of all. Bush Sr., Bush Jr. and McCain all share the Republican philosophy of giving big business and the wealthy massive tax cuts, promising only that someday some meager drippings will “trickle down” to the middle class and poor. The fact is, during the last two Republican Administrations (George Bush Sr. and now Jr. George), the gap between rich and poor widened, the deficit skyrocketed, and the economy went into a major recession, hurting the middle class and poor hardest. Enough with the Republican mismanagement of our economy! Enough with their policies that always favor big business and the wealthy. Our priorities need to be focused on helping the middle class and the poor. Next week, vote to change the direction of our country by voting for Obama!

All the crazy right wingers, it will be all right. Obama will not govern like a dictator. Bush/Cheney has ruined your brand by not respecting all 3 branches of government. So rather than admit what you have allowed to go on in your own party. You try scaring your own citizens? If the sky was gonna fall it would have happened in the last 8 yrs.

Angus, will you stop with redistribution of wealth already. That scare tactic doesn’t work anymore. How’s the economy working so far under Republican rule? The majority of Americans are not idiots so stop parroting idiots. We’re over the scare tactics and ready to move forward to recovering of our economy and our country.

cinkid56
Well, no, it was not very succint, but it sounds fine to me.
Posted by: jock59801
NOT SUCCINT? He sounds like a confused fifth grader caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Which is exactly the case. He is lying. Obama will raise taxes on capital gains, income on every level, inheritance, gasoline, and every federal tax he can to finance his pie-in-the-sky wish list. Beware: he will raise your taxes. And so far as I know, the MSMedia has not asked his positions on foreign aid to Africa, or reparations for slavery; not that it would matter, he would lie.

Please. ABC news people have lost all trust from the US people. Fawning over Obama like love-struck school girls…all of you. I refuse to watch ABC any longer because of the obvious bias towards Obama. Good Bye ABC

All titles of videos on you tube,
YOU HAVE TO SEE
Then decide how you will vote
Obama congressional black caucus connected to failed Fannie mae lehman brothers freddie conscious family of freddy mac freddie mac
OBAMA CAUGHT SAYING ACORN AND FRIENDS WILL SHAPE HIS PRESIDENTIAL AGENDA
SHOCKER! Dems Defend Fannie May/Freddie Mac
Who’ Guilty in Fannie May Freddie Mercury Scandal
Once you look at these videos you will see who is at fault.

cinkid56
You are free to assume he is lying, but it is still just your assumption.

John, your blather is just that…blather. It’s time to move on to doing what’s right and getting our country back to where she should be by working together and stopping all the diviseness.

well spoken Tim,i dont know how much progress you will make though speaking to people who support a man who compares his own country to NAZI GERMANY. I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT SAYS ABOUT MANY OF OUR COUNTRYMEN OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THEY ARE TOTALLY BLIND OR IGNORANT!!!!!!!

** I am a woman and a former democrat who
** is proud to vote McCain/Palin
Oh please, get off your soapbox and shave your beard.. nobody is buying that crap anymore.

John, the subprime loan debacle is not the fault of poor people. Poor people have no power period. Common sense should tell you that. Money is power so how could the poor cause such a debacle? Stop listening to Limbaugh and O’Reilly, they don’t have your interest at heart, they have their multi-millionaire interests at heart.

LA Times Refuses to Release Tape of Obama Praising Controversial Activist
The Los Angeles Times is refusing to release a videotape that it says shows Barack Obama praising a Chicago professor who was an alleged mouthpiece for the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was a designated terrorist group in the 1970s and ’80s.
According an LA Times article written by Peter Wallsten in April, Obama was a “friend and frequent dinner companion” of Rashid Khalidi, who from 1976 to1982 was reportedly a director of the official Palestinian press agency, WAFA, which was operating in exile from Beirut with the PLO.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obamamideast10apr10,0,1780231,full.story
Does the man have anyone in his life that isn’t controversial?
He is not what he pretends to be.

It doesn’t matter to me what the bottom line is: he can raise my taxes 50% or abolish them altogether. Enough mis-management by crisis. Enough bail-out’s for big business. Enough wars and not even the basic oversight of unscrupulous business that has led the world economy to the brink of collapse, bled our economy dry and put hundreds of thousands out of work.
And enough of the sham lies that only divert our attention from the big issues. On the single subject of his citizenship, they’ve done nothing but use deceit and half-truth. It took me days but I finally researched this myself. A naturalized citizen is ANY individual who is an American citizen at birth. This includes ANYONE born to at least one American parent ANYWHERE at the time of birth. They’ve produced sham birth certificates from areas as diverse as Canada, Indonesia and Kenya.
If they’d lie about this, they’d lie about the rest of it. They’ve lied for eight years and their butts will be sent packing next Tuesday. This, from a middle aged, white, retired Army man and life-long member of the NRA.
It’s time to put the hate- and fear-mongering behind us. If you folks truly debated the core issues essential to this campaign, you might have had a fighting change. Then again, considering how those issues have been addressed since Reaganomics, I suspect you would not.
Neo-Conservativism is dead, along with the unholy alliance between religion and politics in this country.

For the person who claimed that Obama would charge people capital gains on all home sales…that bit of misinformation is from an erroneous email that was being sent around.
It is patently false and has been debunked on Factcheck.org and Snopes. (In fact Factcheck notes that most of the email is false and updated the entry in August, noting that one of the emails had apparently been circulated by a Wachovia employee, a fact which Wachovia apologized for and indicated that the employee “had been dealt with”). To read more about this erroneous email (in case it comes up again), I’ve included the link. If you don’t want to click on a linke, however, you can go to FactCheck and type in Obama Home Sales. The July 10th entry is the one in question.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.html

HH
Careful, Drudge seems to have already pulled the Khalidi story upon finding out that McCain is tied to him as well:
“During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.”

cinkid56
Apparently, many millions of Americans disagree with your assessment of Obama. That’s OK. That’s why we have a democracy.

Brad Melton
Actually you are wrong, it changed since Obama was born.
Do some more research

Sorry cinkid56, but Obama is more qualified to run this country than any other candidate, by a long shot.
The primary duty of the President is to execute and uphold the laws of the land, and to act as a national ambassador steering our foreign policy decisions in it’s relationships with other nations.
He is a constitutional law expert, intelligent, rational and well versed in international relations. The whole world is rooting him on and all foreign head of states are supporting him.

Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) – A Palestinian student in the Gaza Strip is spending his nights making phone calls to the United States, urging Americans to vote for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, according to Palestinian media.
“Twenty-three-year-old Ibrahim Abu Jayyab sits by the computer in the Nusairat refugee camp [in the Gaza Strip], trying to call American citizens in order to convince them to vote for the Democratic candidate for president, Barack Obama,” the Palestinian Authority daily Al-Hayat Al Jadida reported this week.
According to the paper, most Palestinians “feel hatred” toward the U.S., whose administrations “have always stood by Israel.”
Abu Jayyab, a media studies student, uses the Internet to make free calls to the U.S. “We dial random numbers and try to call people without knowing their identity or their affiliation,” he was quoted as saying, according to a translation provided by the Palestinian Media Watch, an independent Israeli research organization.
Abu Jayyab, who works with 17 of his friends at a small Internet café in the Gaza Strip, said his pro-Obama campaigning started during the primaries after he studied Obama’s stand on the issues, Al Jazeera television quoted him as saying. He said he thought Obama had the potential to bring “change” to the Middle East.

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS LEADING MCCAIN IN THE GENERAL BY ABC 13-POINTS WHILE EVERY OTHER POLLS SAY MORE LIKE BETWEEN 2 AND 4 POINTS… THEN YOU MAY BELIEVE ABC WEIRD POLL.
GALLUP LIKELY VOTERS =OBAMA BY 2 POINTS..
SO HERE, STEPHANOPOLOUS IS AN OBAMA GUY.. SO WHAT ELSE WAS IN THE POLLS AND WHY IS OBAMA’S LEADERSHIP HEADLINE AND NOT HWERE MCCAIN IS LEADING..

It is not the only support Obama has received from Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
Two Palestinian brothers purchased $33,000 worth of T-shirts from the campaign’s online store earlier this year. Because it was a bulk order it was considered a donation. They had listed their address as “Ga,” which the campaign thought meant Georgia instead of Gaza. The money reportedly was returned.
Obama already has distanced himself from an earlier endorsement by a Hamas official.
Joanne Yaron, chairwoman for Democrats Abroad in Israel, said she though it was “lovely” that Palestinians in Gaza were campaigning for Obama.

On CNN today, McCain adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin said workers who already receive health insurance from their employers would not take advantage of McCain’s offer of a $5,000 tax credit to buy their own coverage.
“Why would they leave?” Holtz-Eakin asked. “What they are getting from their employer is way better than what they could get with the credit.”
One thing Holtz-Eakin didn’t mention…. McCain’s plan would actually discourage employers from continuing their health care plan.
The result? You would be losing your “way better” better coverage and be forced to go out and shop for coverage with your $5000 tax credit.
Can you say, “disaster for those of us who are covered by a decent employee health care plan!”
As Joe Scarboro said: “The Republicans can always convince the middle class to vote against their own economic self interest.” Folks…. that came from a hard core Republican, not me!

I would take Palin over George the big eared monkey any day.

I read the Huffington Post and find them very credible with great articles. However, I know better than to quote them when making an argument to the right because I know my argument won’t be taken seriously if I quote them, so I don’t. Likewise, I can’t understand why people post worlddailynet and noquarterusa as proof of an argument when those are two of worst websites, right up there with Limbaugh, Hannity and O’Reilly, as the most lying websites I’ve ever seen. They are not even in the same league as Huffington Post. I, instead of posting Huffington as my source, will find a second source that is mainstream to prove my point which is obviously not a consideration that right wingers take. If they believe it they will post it no matter the source.

George ~ your biased opinions and illogical polling results, which continuously favor Barrack (Barry) Hussein Obama, are ludicrous. You’ve been manipulating this data and misleading the public by calling the election results long before the votes are complete. We want to know where those campaign funds are coming from, $150mm last month and the media isn’t investigating the contribution listings, so let’s distract the voters by headlining Gov. Palin’s wardrobe. What has Obama accomplished? Nothing. He has not followed through on his campaign promises on the Senate elections, Chicago has one of the highest rates of crime and murder in the country. If he can’t “fix” his home state, what makes anyone believe his dream plan will be successful? Gov. Palin is continuously attacked for her statements, credentials and now her wardrobe, while Sen. Biden campaigns as a lunatic, references prior Presidents appearing on television for economic conferences long before the technology was even invented. Where are the headlines for this idiot’s statements? Investigate and report on where all this money is coming from and question Obama for accepting public contributions after giving his word to McCain that he wouldn’t. People – this guy is a racist, surrounds himself with terrorists and let’s not forget that horrific demon minister. The Dems want to control Congress and the White House, if elected this country will become a dictatorship. So which foreign country will come to our aid to save the Americans from their government? Iran? North Korea? Or why not open the borders to the Taliban. Stop swallowing the koolaid, vote for leadership, character, stability and experience. McCain/Palin will turn this country around and they have my Independent vote.

If you want a new war, elect McCain. His presidency would guarantee a war. McCain’s whole career was built on POW. “I was a POW, I was a POW”. POW is all he got.

Listen to Obama on the 2001 CHicago station.
He is talking of a MAJOPR CHANGE to our Constitution.
He says we did not go far enoiugh in giving Blacks equal rights. He wants teh US to repay them with money, taken from others.
Please listen to the comments he made, back in 2001, redestributive change = redistribution of wealth today.

John, and Al Qaeda supports John McCain. Your point is?

Leigh: Check the Rolling Stone article about McCain on their website. If ‘POW’ is all McCain has got, he hasn’t got much.

MCCAIN LEADS ON THE ISSUE OF WHO IS MORE CAPABLE OF HANDLING MAJOR CRISIS.
MCCAIN 48 OBAMA 46
STEPHANOPOLOUS BURIED THAT.
MAJOR CRISIS SHOULD BE HEADLINE.
THEY TOLD ME YOU DID STUFF LIKE THIS FOR OVBAMA. COME OUT AND DECLARE YOURSELF.. JUST MANIPULATING THIS ELECTION, ARENT YOU?

They called Clinton socialist as well. Obama’s policy=Clinton’s
McCain’s policy=Bush’s

Theresa – if you don’t like this ‘biased’ cite, check out Fox…You’ll be Happy there. Most of it isn’t true, but you’ll be Happy there.

McCain has been telling the truth about Obama, but you guys turn a deaf ear on it.
Obama can do no wrong. Look at the LA Times Story and the video they will not release.

ITS VERY SAD THAT THE YOUTH OF OUR NATION HAVE FOLLOWED THIS PIED
PIPER AND CONMAN AND ARE LISTENING TO NOBODY. THE WORST PART IS THAT
BY THE TIME WE UNCLOTH OBAMA FOR THE LIAR THAT HE IS , MOST OF THEM
WOULD HAVE HASTLY VOTED.. WHICH IS WHY HE URGES THEM ON EVERYDAY.
THEY ARE DRUNK IN HIS REVOLUTION
THE ORIGINAL PIED PIPER TOOK ALL THE CHILDREN , STOLE THEIR HEARTS
AND DROWNED THEM IN HAMELIN SEA.. OBAMA MIGHT END UP DROWNING THIS
NATION
NEXT TIME, TAKE THE VOTING AGE UP TO 21 YRS OLD.. THEY NEED TIME TO
UNDERSTAND.
OBAMA IS A BIG EAR FLIP FLOPPER AND LYING COMMUNIST..
THIS NATION WOULD NEVER GO COMMUNIST.
THERE IS NO PROMISE OBAMA EVER MADE THAT HE INTENDS TO KEEP.
HE IS SINGING LULLABY TO OUR YOUTHS AND WOMEN WHO BELIEVE IN FAIRY
TALES.
“THIS IS THE BIGGEST FAIRY TALE I EVER HEARD”-BILL CLINTON
OBAMA BLIND AMBITION.. . KEEP RAPPING TO THE BLIND
CHANGE FOR THE SAKE OF CHANGE–DESTROY THE COUNTRY-JUST CHANGE,, JUST HOPE.

Obama said in April that only those making less than 75k would get tax relief. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_15/b4079017876246_page_2.htm The WSJ article says below that taxing the over 250k crowd will not pay for Obama’s programs.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122463231048556587-email.htmlIn 2006, the latest year for which we have Census data, 220 million Americans were eligible to vote and 89 million — 40% — paid no income taxes. According to the Tax Policy Center (a joint venture of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute), this will jump to 49% when Mr. Obama’s cash credits remove 18 million more voters from the tax rolls. What’s more, there are an additional 24 million taxpayers (11% of the electorate) who will pay a minimal amount of income taxes — less than 5% of their income and less than $1,000 annually.In all, three out of every five voters will pay little or nothing in income taxes under Mr. Obama’s plans and gain when taxes rise on the 40% that already pays 95% of income tax revenues.The plunder that the Democrats plan to extract from the “very rich” — the 5% that earn more than $250,000 and who already pay 60% of the federal income tax bill — will never stretch to cover the expansive programs Mr. Obama promises.What next? A core group of Obama enthusiasts — those educated professionals who applaud the “fairness” of their candidate’s tax plans — will soon see their $100,000-$150,000 incomes targeted. As entitlements expand and a self-interested majority votes, the higher tax brackets will kick in at lower levels down the ladder, all the way to households with a $75,000 income.

** MCCAIN LEADS ON THE ISSUE OF WHO IS
** MORE CAPABLE OF HANDLING MAJOR CRISIS.
He couldn’t even handle his own bowel movements during the ‘financial’ crisis and instead ran around screaming the sky was falling and demanding people be fired.
Not exactly presidential, or even professional. Just silly.

PALIN SHOULD KNOW A SOCIALIST!
This is her quote from July of this year before she realized that the McCain camp would make “socialism” an attack point. Here’s her quote:
“And Alaska – we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”
Yep, Alaskans share the wealth of the oil/gas found in their ground. Yep they all get a check simply from living in Alaska and “sharing the wealth” of the taxes levied against the “wealthy” oil companies. Now THAT is socialism! So the McCain POT is calling the kettle black!
If your vote or argument is based on the socialist charge against Obama…. then you should find another argument. If you vote for McCain-Palin, you’re voting for a ticket who has practiced socialism on a bigger scale than Obama ever did!

So TJ, a person aged 18-20 can get his or her butt shot off in a war for the country, can enter into a legal contract, can get married, can purchase a home or a car on his/her own signature, but should not be allowed to vote?. *blinks & scratches head.
Face it guys, for better or worse or richer or poorer, we’re gonna be stuck with him the next four years. If he lies, we’ll kick his butt – along with that of Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Reid – out of office just as we’re sending the current batch back home as well. I saw give the guy a chance. We know what the other side is all about.

obama has already won the argument ive already voted in my state an ive voted for obama .

Republican HQ Manager’s Home Shot Up Over McCain Signs
http://www.local6.com/politics/17784129/detail.html

Hope, Change and Molotov Cocktails
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2008/10/hope-change-and-molotov-cocktails.html

Chief Washington Propagandist, it would be nice if your simplistic ‘question’ actually modeled reality!
A) Cut taxes to the middle class therefore injecting money directly into the economy similar to an extended long period ‘stimulus check’, combined with a health plan that would increase revenue to the health care industry due to increased numbers of insured patients, as well as even more increased capital injected into the economy due to tax savings to companies providing health insurance in the amount of $140 billion a year.
b) Cut taxes to the wealthy and wait for it to trickle down, which it never has yet, as well as tax health insurance coverage shifting people to private coverage and increasing the number of uninsured americans
Don’t even go into costs.. McCains proposals would cost almost twice that of Obamas.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27311863/

OBAMA KOWS OF THIS BUT DOES NOT STOP IT.
Yesterday we asked why the media was reporting a McCain supporter calling Barack Obama an “Arab” and completely ignoring Obama supporters calling Sarah Palin a ct, even wearing T-shirts with the phrase “Sarah Palin is a ct” on them.
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/13/wow-staffers-also-wear-sarah-palin-cnt-t-shirts/

John Said:
Listen to Obama on the 2001 CHicago station.
He is talking of a MAJOPR CHANGE to our Constitution.
He says we did not go far enoiugh in giving Blacks equal rights. He wants teh US to repay them with money, taken from others.
Please listen to the comments he made, back in 2001, redestributive change = redistribution of wealth today.
_________________________________________
HERES AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER LIE.
Obama is for the working class. Not the non-worker. A fact, period.
Obama wants to protect Social Security, John McCain wants to privatize Social Security.
Obama wants affordable health Insurance for all Americans. John McCain wants to TAX you health insurance, a fact period.
Obama wants to help folks who lost their homes due to forclusure. McCain will care less, period.
Obama will cut TAXES to 95% of Americans. Fact Period.
So if you call helping the working middle class redistribution of wealth, than you dont know economics just like McCain and Sarah Palin.
This is the reason McCain is loosing because if does not have a clue on how to deal with this economic crisis.
We lost almost a million Jobs. Next week we will loose another 3,000 jobs here in United states.
Our deficit is triple due to the Bush failed policys.
We need jobs. We need to stop shipping jobs aver seas and making other folks rich while he in America we have starvig families.
SO JOHN STOP THE LIES.
As a republican I will gladly cast my vote of the smart team Obama/Biden, period.

Would somebody please investigate the truth behind Obama’s birth certificate which has been locked up by the governor of Hawaii. Why???
I am a conservative democratic and I want the truth. I know there is a lawsuit going on about this. Why didn’t Obama and his team just show the courts his birth certificate to end the discussions and suspections.
I am a firm believer in our constitution, if you are of legal birth as it states, then their is no problem. Please look into this. Somebody.
Our country has to much at stake from ecomonics to our “word” as a country.

WOW!!! Jerry, well said.
MODERATE REPUBLICANS FOR OBAMA. THE SMART CHOICE.

LOOK THIS UP ON YOU TUBE
Obama Supporters Attack Sarah Palin Motorcade

John, aren’t you going to give us the website of how the big Black man carved a “B” on Ashley Todd’s face, too.

PALIN IS A SOCIALIST
She said this in July before she found out McCain was going to do the bogus Obama accusations.
Palin said:
“And Alaska – we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”
That’s socialism!

John Said:
Listen to Obama on the 2001 CHicago station.
He is talking of a MAJOPR CHANGE to our Constitution.
He says we did not go far enoiugh in giving Blacks equal rights. He wants teh US to repay them with money, taken from others.
Please listen to the comments he made, back in 2001, redestributive change = redistribution of wealth today.
______________________________________
John is clueless just lie Sarah Palin or should I say clueless Sarah.
I am a proud republican voting for Obama.

Umm, jeff beilue.. the lawsuit was dropped, it’s official, Obama is a US Citizen.. you can go look for some other fear tactic now. I believe this week it is Obama = Bush.. oh, no, wait.. that was last week. I think this week it’s the economy. You need to check the memo they sent you, I don’t get those.

You tube video where Obama incites people to get in the other sides face.
Who is asking their followers to actually go out and start crap, OBAMA
Obama Says “Argue With Neighbors, Get In Their Face”

Without all those donations Obama could never have gotten his tax message to the people. They seem to have done a good job managing their finances.

I would like someone to address the article on this link:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/senator_obamas_four_tax_increa.html
This directly challenges Obama’s claim that American’s will bring home more money under Obama’s tax plan than under McCains. As you can clearly see from this article; not only will Middle Class American’s bring home less; They will bring home A LOT less! I just find this interesting. I’d like George Stephanopoulos to look into this and explain how Obama is going to do American’s a favor by “Not Raising” taxes, even though he’s perfectly o.k. with letting the tax cuts from the past 8 years lapse so that we can all go back to paying the same taxes we paid under Clinton…… OUCH! I remember those years; they weren’t fun!

please answer a question people ,WHY IS A MAN WHO COMPARES US TO THE NAZIS THE ANSWER???????????????????????

Obama can’t remember what amount of income you will make that he will tax you to death on. 250k, 200k, 150k and then 42k.
The only thing that is a constant is Obama thinks he can take your money. It really doens’t matter how much you make, what matters is that you just have money to take.

check out this obama news piece on you tube
Missouri “Truth Squads” To Protect Obama Campaign
This is BS, this is controlling law enforcement to get your agenda across

Pretty bad when news portrays Obama with using Gestapo tactics.
you tube video title below
State Police using Gestapo Tactics to Promote Obama

Barack Obama is saying to Joe the plumber that he believes the power of government ought to be used to redistribute wealth in the United States,” he continues — “to take wealth from productive people and give it to people who have not been as successful. And that is socialism at best — and I think you could even make a case that, in its own way, it’s Marxism.”

Dave, that was last wednesday.. today it’s the economy! Keep up man!

Jeff, the lawsuit was dismissed last week.
It took me days but I finally researched this myself. Lot’s of diversion to wade through, hoaxes, accusations, half truth and out and out lies.
A natural born citizen is ANY individual who is an American citizen at birth. An American citizen at birth includes, but is not limited to, ANYONE born to at least one American parent ANYWHERE at the time of birth.
They’ve produced sham birth certificates from areas as diverse as Canada, Indonesia and Kenya. Current US law on this used by all attorneys in the Department of Immigration and Naturalization is contained in 8 USC 1401.
This has been debated at length before: with Goldwater who was born in Arizona prior to Statehood, Romney, actually born in Mexico to Mormon parents who were American citizens, and even Senator McCain himself who was born on a military base in Panama.
If he allows them to get into the fray with this issue, it opens the door to re-focus away from that which has gained him so much popularity – the failure of Neo-Conservativism. That, and only THAT reason is why this old, white, Army man and member of the NRA is supporting him. The rest is fear.
As for him changing the Constitution, recall that it takes a 60 per cent vote of both houses of Congress and 75 per cent of the State Legislatures. The Equal Rights Amendment languished, lacking a single state legislature’s ratification to make it into the Constitution, dying after the required seven years for lack of ratiifcation.
It’s incredibly hard to change that sacred document. Thank goodness, otherwise we’d have amendments tacked on to it for everyone’s pet project: school prayer, flag burning, marriage, abortion, etc.

I feel sorry for McCain, he is going the way of Bob Dole. He doesn’t deserve the blame for Bush’s failures. Bush screwed McCain on McCain’s first shot. Bush’s record is screwing McCain this time around. McCain is a great hero, who’s time of power is now past. I like the man, but I voted for Obama to help make history. By the way, redistribution of wealth helps my family and me. Why not? Good businessmen attempt to influence government to give them money all the time, look at the guys that get government to put in millions for sports arenas, millionaire farmers that get subsidies not to grow, security contractors that get millions in Iraq, and the list goes on. It looks like it’s Obama’s turn to get paid, and hopeully a few crumbs will come my way for a change. No matter what, history will be written.

** What on earth will America do if those
** of us who do actually work hard decide
** to stop working and take our skills
** elsewhere?
It’s called the American economic system.. those displaced jobs will be taken up by others and together we will continue to prosper.. and please send us a postcard from Australia, and pass that request along to the rest of your un-American friends.. Thank you.

Mary Sue | Oct 28, 2008 10:21:22 PM …..But it is still Marxism/Socialism.

“I would like someone to address the article on this link” YOU ‘address’ it, Sunny. George is too busy with reality and most of the rest of us are passed being concerned about the hysterical rantings of biased and uniformed idiots. You address it. And get used to the look of incredulity and sad concern on the faces of everyone you address it with. It’ll do you good to walk down any mainstreet with a microphone in your hand asking people what they think. You might actually learn something. So, you have a good idea – except DO IT YOURSELF and don’t try to pass the experience YOU NEED off onto someone else. It could be character building for you.

“We are one week away from changing America”
This sums it all up. Not change Washington, but change America.
Gird your loins!

McCain is a bitter old man with a bad temper who would lead this country into another war. He would be bad enough, but, perish the thought, consider if you will the very real possibility of him dying in office. Ms. Joe Six-Pack, the hockey mom would be running the country, with Joe the Plumber as her VP, I’m sure.
The end of the world as we know it? You betcha!
Obama in a landslide.

Sunny Wells, it has already been addressed. It’s not typical for a rich capitalist to support a Marxist. Perhaps Warren Buffet is going ‘pink’ on us all. Hehe! Buffet supports the tax plan as equitable & just, not highly idealistic and without a hidden agenda. I’ve made a lot of money listening to Buffet. I trust his judgment.

I have been active on the internet since it’s infancy. I have read opinions, checked out blogs and even posted on a few over the years. The political commentary I see on this blog is very similar to what I’ve seen over the years.
I heard the arguments of the Republicans in 2000 and voted Bush. Against my better judgement, I again listened to the same Republican rhetoric and voted for Bush in 2004.
I was wrong in 2000 and I was wrong in 2004. The difference between me and most other block heads on this blog is that I have admitted my mistake. I voted for Obama this time.
I can tell by some of the hard-core rants here that many of the Republicans would vote for Osama Bin-Laden if he pasted a big R on his shirt and got the nomination! Why do I say that? Because we are where we are today in large part due to the actions of the Bush administration. How could you vote to continue that? You guys are scary!

The first loophole was easy to find: Senator Obama doesn’t “count” allowing the Bush tax cuts to lapse as a tax increase. Unless the cuts are re-enacted, rates will automatically return to the 2000 level. Senator Obama claims that letting a tax cut lapse — allowing the rates to return to a higher levels — is not actually a “tax increase.” It’s just the lapsing of a tax cut.
See the difference?
Neither do I.
When those cuts lapse, my taxes are going up — a lot — but by parsing words, Senator Obama justifies his claim that he won’t actively raise taxes on 95 percent of working Americans, even while he’s passively allowing tax rates to go up for 100% of Americans who actually pay Federal income taxes.
Making this personal, my Federal Income Tax will increase by $3,824 when those tax cuts lapse. That not-insignificant sum would cover a couple of house payments or help my two boys through another month or two of college.
No matter what Senator Obama calls it, requiring us to pay more taxes amounts to a tax increase. This got me wondering what other Americans will have to pay when the tax cuts lapse.
For a married family, filing jointly and earning $75,000 a year, this increase will be $3,074. For those making just $50,000, this increase will be $1,512. Despite Senator Obama’s claim, even struggling American families making just $25,000 a year will see a tax increase — they’ll pay $715 more in 2010 than they did in 2007. Across the board, when the tax cuts lapse, working Americans will see significant increases in their taxes, even if their household income is as low as $25,000. See the tables at the end of this article.
Check this for yourself. Go to http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/ and pull up the 1040 instructions for 2000 and 2007 and go to the tax tables. Based on your 2007 income, check your taxes rates for 2000 and 2007, and apply them to your taxable income for 2007. In 2000 — Senator Obama’s benchmark year — you would have paid significantly more taxes for the income you earned in 2007. The Bush Tax Cuts, which Senator Obama has said he will allow to lapse, saved you money, and without those cuts, your taxes will go back up to the 2000 level. Senator Obama doesn’t call it a “tax increase,” but your taxes under “President” Obama will increase — significantly.

Today on my way to lunch I passed a brand new Lexus that belonged to the restaurant owner with a bumper sticker that read “Vote McCain, so I can get another” I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on a “McCain/Palin 08″ tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference–just imagine the coincidence. When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the McCain trickle-down economic concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to instead give his tip to someone who I deemed would be a more beneficial person in society to receive the money–the restaurant owner. The server angrily stormed from my sight. I walked up to the restaurant owner and gave him the $10 bill and told him to thank his employee for the good service, but I decided he could put the money to better use. The restaurant owner was puzzled about my actions but he went ahead and squeezed it into his already tight billfold. At the end of my rather unscientific experiment I realized the restaurant owner could care less about the $10, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money that he earned and the actual recipient didn’t need the money at all. I guess trickle down economics is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

Emma said:
I am a woman and a former democrat who is proud to vote McCain/Palin
___________________________________
What a lie. The fact is that EMMA is in the minority. White women by far are supporting Obama. He is leading by over 15 points over John McCain with this voting block. All Hillary women supporters are supporting Obama. So Emma just lied. Women by far are rejecting Sarah Palin, because she is against averything all women so hard fought for like;
EQUAL PAY, MCCAIN VOTED 19 TIMES AGAIST WOMENS EQUAL PAY.
McCain/Palin WANT TO OVER TURN ROE VR WADE.
EQUAL PROTECTION FOR WOMEN.
So stop your lies Emma and jump aboard. McCain insulted us wome when he thought that we all were going to jump over to Sarah Palin in droves. When we smart women found out the truth about Sarah Plain and what she stood for we SAID HELL NO!!!!
NO WAY!!! NO HOW!!! NO MCCAIN/PALIN
A SMART WHITE WOMEN FOR OBAMA/BIDEN

(updated) Senator Obama has also said that he will raise capital gains taxes from 15 percent to 20 percent. He says he’s aiming at “fat cats” who make above $250,000. However, while only 1 percent of Americans make a quarter-million dollars, roughly 50 percent of all Americans own stock – and while investments that are through IRAs, 401Ks and in pension plans are not subject to capital gains, those stocks in personal portfolios are subject to capital gains, no matter what the owner’s income is. However, according to the US Congress’s Joint Economic Committee Study, “Recent data released by the Federal Reserve shows that nearly half of all U.S. households are stockholders. In the last decade alone, the number of stockholders has jumped by over fifty percent.” This is clear – a significant number of all Americans who earn well under $250,000 a year will feel this rise in their capital gains taxes.
Under “President” Obama, if you sell off stock and earn a $100,000 gain — perhaps to help put your children through college — instead of paying $15,000 in capital gains taxes today, you’ll pay $20,000 under Obama’s plan. That’s a full one-third more, and it applies no matter how much you earn.

Finally, Senator Obama has promised to raise taxes on businesses — and to raise taxes a lot on oil companies. I still remember Econ-101 — and I own a small business. From both theory and practice, I know what businesses do when taxes are raised. Corporations don’t “pay” taxes — they collect taxes from customers and pass them along to the government. When you buy a hot dog from a 7/11, you can see the clerk add the sales tax, but when a corporation’s own taxes go up, you don’t see it — its automatic — but they do the same thing. They build this tax into their product’s price. Senator Obama knows this. He knows that even people who earn less than $250,000 will pay higher prices — those pass-through taxes — when corporate taxes go up.

There’s not a politician alive who hasn’t be caught telling some minor truth-bender. However, when it comes to raising taxes, there are no small lies. When George H.W. Bush’s “Read my lips — no new taxes” proved false, he lost the support of his base — and ultimately lost his re-election bid.
This year, however, we don’t have to wait for the proof: Senator Obama has already promised to raise taxes, and we can believe him. However, while making that promise, he’s also lied, in at least four significant ways, about who will pay those taxes. If Senator Obama becomes President Obama, when the tax man comes calling, we will all pay the price. And that’s the truth.

“A reformation means that the masses of our people have reached the point of disillusionment with past ways and values. They don’t know what will work but they do know that the prevailing system is self-defeating, frustrating, and hopeless. They won’t act for change but won’t strongly oppose those who do. The time is then ripe for revolution.”
Saul Alinsky

VOTE YES – JOHN McCAIN & SARAH PALINE – VOTE YES
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PRO GUN RIGHTS – “Believes gun laws do not reduce crime”
LOW TAXES FOR EVERYONE – “do not raise taxes on anyone”
PRO AMERICAN VALUES – supports the present Constitution. Does not believe
it is ‘flawed’ like Mr.Government does
PRACTICES SOUND GOVERNANCE – he has never asked for Earmarks (Pork) in 26
years.
PEOPLE DRIVEN HEALTH CARE – supports private health care not run by the
Government
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VOTE YES – JOHN McCain & SARAH PALIN – VOTE YES

VOTE NO – OBAMA IS A BAD CANDIDATE – VOTE NO
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Obama wants GOVERNMENT RUN Health Care
Obama has a 100% ANT-GUN voting record
Obama has a 100% Pro-PORK spending record
Obama thinks ‘LIFE IS ABOVE HIS PAY GRADE’
Obama WILL TAKE FROM YOU
Obama WILL GIVE TO SOMEONE ELSE
Obama WILL INCREASE GOVERNMENT IN YOUR LIVES
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VOTE NO – Mr Government OBAMA – VOTE NO

Wow John. You got off You Tube and decided to share your personal income tax details with us all.
Guess what? “Pretty bad when news portrays Obama with using Gestapo tactics.” Yes, this is the way I’ll be remembering you, John. Not as the clever guy with the all the tax jargon at his finger tips.
Your tax post was dazzling!! Trouble is, I’ve checked Obama’s tax plan Vs McCain’s tax plan out already, from every angle. We all have. The information has been freely available since the plans were announced and I don’t tend to leave these things to the last minute to check out. Obama Wins, John. His Tax Deal is the Best Deal for Middle Class Americans. I don’t know what you really earn, I honestly don’t care. I know MY financial circumstances, John. Obama’s plan is better. Much Better.

I agree. Obama said he will eliminate capital gains taxes.

Bill: Well Said. We’ve never met, but we’ll be strolling hand in hand to the voting booth next week. Obama 08!

I make les than 50K and McCain is the better choice for me.

John Said:
look up on you tube this title
shocker fannie and freddie
it shows the democratic controlled congress buried its head in the sand.
McCain, Bush, CLinton and other good senators tried to stop it.
THAT IS FACT AS SHOWN ON THE HISTORICAL C-SPAN ARCHIVES.
________________________________________
JOHN HE WE GO AGAIN!!! ANOTHER LIE.
THE FACT IS THAT JOHN MCCAINS OWN CAMPAING MANAGER RICK DAVIS WORK FOR A FIRM WHO LOBBYD FOR FANNIE AND FREDDIE. rICK DAVIS TOOK IN MORE THAT 450,000 IN PAYMENTS.
SO THE ISSUES HERE IS WITH MCCAIN AND HIS ERRATIC STAND ON THE ISSUES.

Lets see.. they tried scaring people saying that small businesses would be ruined.. but then the American Small Business League endorsed Obama.
Then they said that people would lose jobs, and then the AFL-CIO endorsed Obama.
Then they said that the elderly and retired would be hit the hardest, until the AARP endorsed Obama.
Then they said that Obama would be unable to defend our country, but people like Colin Powel and former supreme commander of NATO Wesley Clark endorsed Obama claiming otherwise.
Of course, they are now playing the ‘socialist’ card, neglecting that Warren Buffet and former fed chairmen Volker have endorsed Obama (and Greenspan came out and said he does NOT support McCains tax cuts). All the while, the don’t realize that people are seeing right through their rhetoric and not buying it.
Then they said his health plan would be a disaster, and the EPI, TPC, Commonwealth fund and Wall Street Journal released their analysis that show it is vastly superior to McCains health insurance train wreck.
They haven’t tried the intelligence card, but that is a no brainer (pun intended).
They tried the ‘clean up washington’ bit, and then Palin was found to have abused power and violated state ethics laws.
They tried the guilt by association tactic, which just blew up in their faces and forced out some pretty severe skeletons in both McCains and Palins closets that were far more damaging.
And while more and more americans are crossing the party line to support Obama, including major newspapers who have never endorsed a democratic presidential candidate in their 100+ year history, and basically the whole world is rooting for Obama, McCain and Co. gets an endorsement from Al-Qaeda. And their only other high profile ‘score’ was from Lynn Forrester de Rothschild.. however before giving that endorsement, she went on record as saying:
“It’s going to be, What is in the best interest of all Americans? And I think if history is our guide, we’ve had stronger economies, more wealth creation, under Democratic presidents than we have under Republican presidents. So I don’t understand why all my capitalist friends aren’t Democrats.”
Which does take a bit of wind out of those sails.. All in all, I’m quite interested to see what they can possibly come up with next.. they have pretty much exhausted everything.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/22/al-qaeda-linked-web-site-backs-mccain-president/

Obama concedes that cutting the capital gains tax actually increased revenues, but says that he’d raise it anyway for the sake of “fairness.” Because hedge fund mangers make too much money.
It’s amazing that Obama isn’t embarrassed to make such economically illiterate, down-right socialist, comments in public. I mean, he concedes that cutting the capital gains tax has increased revenues but then actually manages to suggest that the tax cuts have lost the government money by invoking the specter of borrowed funds from China.
The exchange becomes laugh-out-loud funny when Gibson challenges Obama again about the fact that capital gains tax cuts have increased revenue, and Obama tries to change the subject to the housing crisis.
If this is the best the Dems have this campaign season, they are in deep trouble.
And by the way, is there now a cap now on the acceptable amount of money that an American can make? What’s the limit? A billion dollars? Two billion? At what point does Obama think a wealthy person passes from merely being affluent of successful to being contemptibly worthy of excessive tax rates?
What’s more, the suggestion by Obama that only rich hedge fund managers pay the capital gains tax is false. Anyone who has seen income from investments has paid the capital gains tax, and with some 80% of Americans invested in the stock market in one way or another that’s pretty much all of us.

Jake—FYI” Obama’s corporate donor list looks like a Who’s Who of the Wall Street collapse – except some have given more to Obama. Lots more.
“The Obama campaign has just vacuumed up the money in this cycle, specifically from Goldman Sachs, Obama has received over $740,000, as opposed to McCain’s $220,000,” Krumholz said.
Not to mention that the former head of Goldman Sachs, Robert Rubin, is Obama’s chief economic advisor – and two current executives are bundling for him (David Heller and Bruce Heyman). “Bundlers” are mega-fundraisers who, critics say, get special access.
Another big Obama bundler is Citicorp’s Michael Froman. Obama’s even tapped him to help put together his new administration.
Obama has tripled McCain’s haul from Lehman Brothers interests.

Obama’s tax plan: double the dividend tax, 28% profit from all home sales, (McCain’s is 0% on all homes under $500,000). Obama also wants to restore the Inheritance tax, and add new taxes on gas, and natural resource consumption. He also wants to add new taxes on retirement accounts.
He needs to pay for his socialist programs some how. He cannot lower taxes on 95% and think that he can fund his spread the wealth plan without raises taxes everywhere else.
To raise taxes on businesses invites trouble. Businesses can pack up and move to another country with lower taxes and still do business with U.S., they can also reduce their workforce, lower benefits and wages to make up for their tax increases and extend the cost to the consumers who buy their products or use their services.
Most of the higher income wage earners are employers. To punish them, will punish their employees and consumers.

I know so many wealthy people who put their assets into their children’s names to go on Medicaid. Yes, you know who you are or who you are related to. Medicaid is supposed to provide health care to poor people yet lawyers are reaping big rewards from wealthy people who think they should also be entitled to government freebees. It’s really ironic that people with the means to take care of themselves have no qualms about taking a government dole yet begrudge a few dollars to the less fortunate.
People who own small businesses can pay themselves a modest salary and then deduct every single expense, including the Mercedes for personal use (just an example), trips combining a few rounds of golf between meetings, junkets to Vegas for trade shows, etc. I have a friend who used to get rebate checks from a vendor, which he conveniently cashed at the check cashing store and stored in a safety deposit box. Small business people have so many deductions that they often don’t even have to pay college tuition for their children because their imcome (minus expenses) puts them in a lower tax bracket.
People who work for a living have their taxes removed from their paychecks before they can do anything with them.
If working people vote for John McSame because he has better tax policies is voting against his or her self-interest. It’s time to wake up and vote for Obama who really is thinking about the needs of working people and the middle class. Wealthy doesn’t trickle down. That’s a fact.

John SAID:
I make les than 50K and McCain is the better choice for me.
_____________________________
NO JOHN IF YOU MAKE 50K THEN OBAMA IS THE ONE FOR YOU!!! LET ME TELL YOU WHY!!
OBAMA WANTS TO GIVE YOU A TAX CUT IF YOU MAKE 250,000 OR LESS
A TAX CUT FOR THOSE MAKING 250,000 OR LESS, THAT IS 95% OF AMERICANS, PERIOD.
OBAMA WANTS TO ELIMINATE CAPITAL GAIS TAX!!! YES HE WANTS TO RID CAPITAL GAINS TAX.
OBAMA WANTS TO ELIMINATE THE DOUBLE TAXATION, PERIOD.
SO DONT GET FOOLED MY THE LIES OF JOHN MCCAIN. OABAMA WILL CUT YOR TAXES IF YOU MAKE LESS THAN 250,000

“And by the way, is there now a cap now on the acceptable amount of money that an American can make? What’s the limit? A billion dollars? Two billion? At what point does Obama think a wealthy person passes from merely being affluent of successful to being contemptibly worthy of excessive tax rates?” I don’t know the answer to that one John. A few posts back you told us all you only earn $75,000 and even quoted your tax figures at us – now you’re a bawling mess worried about stocks, capital gains tax and whether or not people will be able to make one or two billion.
I don’t worry about Billionaires – other than, Yes, I do expect them to pay reasonable tax. Absolutely. If that’s socialism, so be it. My concern, and the concerns of others out in the real world, is balancing our own budgets, taking care of health care and sending our kids to college. And paying our mortgages. And watching the prices of our properties decline. For some, it’s also about loosing their homes and jobs. I’ll leave you to worry about Capital Gains Tax and how many Billion people are ‘allowed’ to earn. I’m busy with my own concerns right now. You seem to have the luxury of being to worry about Billionaires and Capital Gains Tax – I guess you’re lucky, then. Good Luck to you.

Jake–FYI—-CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

Oh my amazed801, you are one of the people who actually believed that SPAM e-mail.. how funny! You might want to take a look-see at the following before you make yourself look more foolish:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

On taxes, McCain would preserve the Bush tax cuts, due to expire in 2010, and would cut the corporate income tax rate from 35% to 25%. Under his plan, high-income people would pay a top federal income tax rate of 35% and the lowest-income people would keep their rate of 0%.
Obama would preserve some of the Bush tax cuts, but would raise tax rates substantially on single taxpayers making $200,000 or more and on married couples making $250,000 or more. Their top rate would rise from 35% to 39.6%. Also, Obama would impose a further Social Security tax rate of 2% (for employees) to 4% (for the self-employed) on married couples whose income is $250,000 or more, making the top rate on earned income as much as 43.6%. Combined with the Medicare tax rate on earned income of 1.45% for employees and 2.9% for the self-employed, the top marginal tax rate on earned income could hit as high as 46.5%. By contrast, the top rate on earned income under McCain would be 35% plus 2.9%, or 37.9%.
Obama emphasizes that he would cut taxes for people with incomes below $200,000. Interestingly, though, he would not cut any tax rates on ordinary income. Instead, he would grant various tax credits and phase them out as people’s income increases. This means, ironically, that although many people’s taxes would be lower under Obama, their marginal tax rates would be higher. Within the income range over which the tax credit phases out, for every additional dollar the person makes, he loses some of the credit, adding an additional tax rate on top of the statutory tax rate. This means that not just high-income people, but also many modest-income people, would have a reduced incentive to make income under the Obama tax plan.
With such different tax proposals, you might expect substantially different effects on the federal government’s revenues. You would be right. Unfortunately, the main organization that has tried to estimate the effects of these tax proposals on revenues, the Tax Policy Center, an organization run by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, has done a fairly poor job.
Alan Reynolds, an economist at the Cato Institute, has done a more careful job of estimating the effects of McCain’s and Obama’s tax proposals on revenue. His main finding about Obama’s proposal is that the large revenues Obama expects from raising marginal tax rates on the highest-income people will not be forthcoming because of the various tax-avoidance strategies they will engage in. These include switching their investments from taxable bonds to tax-free municipal bonds, becoming a one-earner family (the vast majority of high-income families have both husband and wife working, a main reason they are high-income) and increasing their 401(k) contributions. Obama’s higher marginal tax rates will lead to more federal government revenue, but not nearly as much as he claims.
And, concludes Reynolds, while McCain’s cut in corporate income tax rates will yield less revenue, the revenue loss is not nearly as much as the Tax Policy Center claims because the U.S. has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the industrial world and would, by cutting the tax rate, make the U.S. a more attractive place to invest.
On the budget side, Obama advocates substantial new spending on domestic programs and less spending on the Iraq war. McCain advocates continuing the high spending on the Iraq war and less spending on the domestic side but has not spelled out, other than ending the federal government’s subsidy to ethanol and a vaguely defined federal budget freeze, where he would cut. Asked by Jim Lehrer in the first debate which of his spending priorities he would give up to pay for the $700 billion bailout, Obama instead listed things he would not give up. It is difficult to estimate, therefore, the effect on the budget deficit that either would have. A reasonable bet is that the deficit, which some expect to hit the previously unimagined $1 trillion, or 7% of gross domestic product, in the current fiscal year, will be higher under Obama than McCain, but, in any case, will be obscenely high.

Just wanted to inform everyone of the 1st Amendment….which is Freedom of Speech, as I say this I have read a lot of these comments and let me say this, You all need to grow up. You think this person is in love with that one, or someone makes a comment about this newscaster and Obama sitting in a tree….how old are you?? Are you even old enough to vote, if not then don’t belittle someone. As for Me, I am voting for Obama, due to the fact I feel the military should pull out of Iraq in a timely manner and so doesn’t Iraq. Bushwacker has taken a lot of jobs away especially in Florida (when I say Bushwacker I mean all the Bush’s), how do I know this because a probation officer know works in Tenn due to the fact he lost his job in Florida. Yes, he did his job right thank you. I am all for tax deductions on the middle class, heck my family doesn’t make $250,000 a year, I have waited for someone to tax the rich and famous and finally someone has come and said he is going to do it.
Now on the Iraq war, dear ole Daddy Bush called a war in Iraq for only 100 days….now his son has declared one for 7 years. Well if his father would have actually stayed there and did a real war ( I dont call a war lasting a 100 days a real war) we wouldn’t have had 9/11 or 7 years in Iraq. How do I know how long that war was, I had my husband at the time and 2 brother in laws at the time serving that war, now this time I will have 2 children serving this war, for what something that should have happened in 1991, I call that a waste of tax dollars….I pay these tax dollars too.
People sit here and talk about education, well I also am a college student for Criminal Justice. So yes, I go to school and I work, and my husband can work from 8-20 hours a day. My daughter who is in the National Guards full time and has a waitressing job at night just to get by. See life is not pretty when it is broken down this way. My son is in the National Guards too. Reagan stated “The National Guards is not one of the militaries”, but who is mostly overseas the National Guards. Since Reagen made that statement he stopped all National Guardsman from getting any health insurance, but they can spend 4 tours or more overseas and that is the only way they can get health insurance…..NOW I SAY THAT IS STUPID….due to the fact when they are called just like the Army they go. Did any of you know this about the National Guards???? Instead of belittlng this anchorman or Obama learn about your military the one that is protecting your country. But that can’t happen due to the fact I don’t hear any of you stating how much Bush is costing us overseas a day. McCain wants to cost us the same about, why???? We have troops that dont have the right equipment, that should have newer equipment, should I go on due to the fact I am a Navy Brat, Ex Army Wife and now a Mom of 2 National Guardsman. Yes, My dad faught in Vietnam in 3 different tours and Korea in 2 different tours. So do I know something about the military….Yes, I do, and just because McCain is 72 years old he needs to get his head out of the sand, due to the fact he may know about the mililtary but he doesn’t know anything about saving this country from being in DEBT. If he did he wouldn’t keep our military overseas longer. This WAR(S) due to the fact everyone has forgotten about Afghanistan…..has been the deadlist war besides Vietnam. I have 2 friends in Afghanistan and they know they need more support, but they also know they will not get it. These men have been in the military for many years also.

** Let’s not forget Obama’s mentor, Rev Wright
Oh that is so yesterday dear! Today is ‘the economy’.. they passed out a memo earlier today.. You must of missed it.

Mary Sue: I love your posts! They make me smile :) So well said.

** McCain would tax my healthcare from my
** employer as income. So he’s gonna hit
** me on the $5000, but he says he going
** to give it back! Well if you’re going
** to give it back, why take it in the
** first place?
Nope, it gets even better! You won’t get a $5000 tax credit if your employer provides insurance for you.. you will be taxed on that coverage period. That is to ‘encourage’ you to shift to a private provider.. once you do, THEN you get the $5000 tax credit so you can purchase your $14000 insurance policy and pick up the additional $9000 out of your own pocket. Just like his tax plan, McCains train wreck of a health plan simply favors the wealthy and would result in more americans losing insurance.. not exactly a good recipe when we are in the middle of a health care crisis.. but if you are ignorant enough to listen to his lies, then it’s a winner!

Anyone who thinks that a more socialist form of government is better than what we have, do a little google search and choose some of the more “successful” socialist countries. Check out their standard of living, levels of unemployment, median wage, their ability to protect and defend themselves, percent of the population that is dependant on the government for subsistance (and existance), then look around at what you and those around you have. Look at the median income in this country, the median value of our homes. Are there poor people in this country? yes, but remember that our constitution gave us the right to pursue happiness not the guarantee that it would be provided to us.

Obama has changed his positions in a year, I can’t keep up. First he said pull out of Iraq right away, then he says 16 months. I have seen Obama give a speech to planned parenthood about abortion and seen him give a completely different stance to a christian audience.
He changes his postions depending on who is audience is.
July 8, “no one making under $250,000 will see a tax increase, October 27, “no one making under $200,000 will see a tax increase. (Obama)
October 28,Biden said” no one making under $150,000 will see their taxes increase.
They are lying so much they can’t keep up.
Sometimes Biden and Obama say 2 entirely different things at different venues, on the same day.
Obama will just say, well Joe shouldn’t have said that.
I guess Biden doesn’t get the e-mail update on Obama’s new positions everyday.
It just stuns me that the Obama lemmings fail to do their homework on their candidate. You are suppose to vote for the candidate according to his positions and views for the country, not his skin color.

More tax increases from the Obama campaign—European Levels of Taxation: Barack Obama’s Tax Plan—
Note: Representatives of the Obama campaign have informed the authors that the campaign is not committed to the full 12.4 hike in the payroll tax. An increase in the payroll tax is merely one of many different tax increases that are being considered for those making over $250,000. The Obama campaign implies that the tax increase on those earning over $250,000 may not be limited to earnings but also cover different types of income. Despite questioning, the campaign has not provided any more details.

As a first generation American, I am offended that Obama wants to tax couples making over $250,000. I finally have earned over $250,000 only to hear that this guy wants to steal it. Yes, I don’t even call it socialism, I call it stealing. The funny thing is that Obama and Biden are hypocrites when they only donate 6% (Obama) and less than 2% (Biden) to charitable organizations. If they really believe in giving their fair share then why don’t they?

They just want change, they don’t know what it means, but they just want it. No homework necessary.

amazed: Not any time soon, as it happens. I don’t think it’s a great time to sell right now, do you??? That’s about the Economy too, you know. It isn’t all about Capital Gains tax. And on that note: and while John is still waxing lyrical and posting his memoirs on the subject of tax – any one who is still confused on this subject need only go straight to the source. McCain and Obama post on their respective tax plans on their websites. Check them out for yourselves. Obama clearly has the best deal to fix this country up and get us moving again and he is the only one with a deal for Middle America. The people most concerned about Capital Gains tax are very greedy people, Amazed, who have hundreds of thousands invested in real estate. That really isn’t me. And it isn’t most of the middle classes. But it is you, apparently. You and John seem very worried about Capital Gains tax. This tax most directly impacts the very wealthy – not ordinary Americans. For anyone selling their homes for less than $250k dollars, the Capital Gains tax remains unchanged. And Obama takes ALL capital gains tax away from small businesses. Add this to the benefits for Middle Class Americans with the myriad of other tax benefits on offer from Obama, and his tax package is the best by far for Middle Class Americans.

** Let’s not forget Obama’s mentor, Rev Wright
Oh that is so yesterday dear! Today is ‘the economy’.. they passed out a memo earlier today.. You must of missed it.
Posted by: Mary Sue | Oct 28, 2008 11:14:55 PM
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How is it so yesterday, DEAR, when he was sitting in his church listening to his anti-american, racist filth less than a year ago. How is it sooo yesterday, when Obama’s book “Audacity of Hope” was written from Rev Wrights Black liberation theology. He was Obama’s mentor for 20 yrs and was a big influence on who Obama is today and where he is coming from.
I guess you missed that memo. It’s easy to do when Obama sends out a new one eveyday describing his changed positions for the day. That’s okay, apprently Biden misses them a lot too.

S Adams, repeating lies won’t work on people who know the truth dear :)
You are free to crawl back under your rock now.. it will be safe to come out in January.

Where did you see ‘skin color’ mentioned in all of that?
Posted by: Mary Sue | Oct 28, 2008 11:27:24 PM
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Because Obama is an empty suit, with no experience and the biggest flip-flopper in history. He sat in a racist church for 20 yrs, but if McCain had sat in on one KKK rally he wouldn’t even had made as a senator much less a presidential candidate. Besides color, what else is there? He has no proven record of being able to or ever trying to do the things he promises. He says whatever just to get elected.

i would prefer to have Obama in the White House, but, unlike everyone else in Newark, I wont look at the situation with bias.
First of all, Obama is better for the job, just because he has ideas that will have this country prospering. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that rich people should pay more taxes, than those who have less. It’s actually common sense. This “trickle down” system that the republicans have relies on hope that somehow, the rich will give us some of their wealth.
Where has that gotten us? In a depression
Barack Obama wants to build the economy from the bottom up. He’ll have a similar presidency as Clinton did.
But, like I said, i can’t look at this with bias just because i live in newark, i’m black, and i’m young, blah blah blah
Obama does have his flaws. Obama has little “experience”. Obama has been said to have opposed lowering taxes in the senate. John McCain has been in the Senate for +20 years. He does have a record of going against his own party. He does have a record of “trying to do what’s right”. He is well traveled, and he knows how the world works. He’s a “Maverick”, he’s a Maverick and all that other good stuff
…….
To be honest, both of them sold out.
In 2000, John McCain was defending the same sort of tax policies that Obama will have. He did this in a town hall meeting, and the woman questioning him said that this view was socialist.
Obama has sold himself out in other ways. He’s basically had to change some of his views, or reword them to appeal to white America.
If everything else i wrote doesn’t make sense, this will. Republicans have basically ruled the country for the past 8 years, and now we’re basically in a depression. They’ve lead us to a war that was justified by the search of invisible WMDs, which by the way, costs 225 million dollars a day, while our economy goes down the drain.
It’s simple the democrats time to fix up this problem
I don’t think Obama is perfect, and I have all the respect in the World for John McCain. However, John McCain simply hasn’t run a good enough campaign for the majority of America to believe that things will be different.
Republicans have DESTROYED the economy. Its almost laughable. They’re bound to lose no matter who was the dem. nominee.
P.S.- Let’s stop with this socialism. Unless you’re totally ignorant, you’ve probably heard how John McCain supported a Bill that would nationalize banks.
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With all that said,……….. YAAAAAAYYYYY, we’re going to have a democrat as president, and he’ll replace the worst in history.
If the dems choke on this one, they mind as well quit their jobs.

I am not rich make less than 50K per year, but I do put 2 percent into a 401K. I do not want them taxing it more.
Also if the Dmeocrats get there way they will steal it in the next year and combine it with SS.. That is WRONG

Come on George, Rush admits that he’s a mouth piece for the right. Why don’t you have enough integrity to admit that you’re just a mouth piece for the left? Unbiased you ain’t so go ahead and admit it.

** Also if the Dmeocrats get there way they will steal it in the next year and combine it with SS.. That is WRONG
You are right, it is wrong? Where do you come up with such nonsense?!?

It is your responsibility to research the character of the man/woman running for POTUS.–
But don’t take my word for that. Take John Adams’ words on the matter—
The people “have a right, an indisputable, inalienable, indefeasible, divine
right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge — I mean of the
character and conduct of their rulers.”

SO is it nonsense NOW.
Democrats plan on doing this as soon as Obamantion gets the Presidency

Student asks his principal, “Where is my teacher?”.
“Citywide layoffs”, replies the principal.
“My text books?” asks the student.
“State austerity plan”, says the principal.
“Student loan?” continues the student.
“Federal budget cuts”, says the principal.
Finally, exasperated, student asks, “But how am I going to get an education?”.
To which the equally exasperated principal replies, “This is your education”.

obyomama: High earners are High earners. They can weather the taxation – the Middle Class can’t. It’s not like they are being taxed out of existence, there isn’t anything outrageous about Obama’s tax plan. What are you selling to the highearners? What’s your business? (Ball Park – no need for personal details). Hasn’t it already been hurt by the stock crash??? Surely it has! The economy is in down turn and we are all having to readjust. I think you are panicking about Obama’s tax plan unreasonably.

Chester,
Let’s look at this from a common sense point of view ok–Obama is going to increase taxes on businesses –now businesses operate to make a profit(that may not be popular but they exist to increase their stock price and their profits) So if you owned a business and could move to another country that is more business friendly and make more money then of course you will do it. It doesn’t matter if it is right or wrong that is just reality. Secondly, if you put the squeeze on the small businesses, increase payroll taxes, charge a penalty if they don’t buy into the gov’t insurance plan,etc then as a business owner you will have to make adjustments. Adjustments could be to reduce the size of the business to avoid the additional tax or lay people off, close offices etc. Poor people don’t create jobs wealthy ones do. Does that mean poor people aren’t valuable -of course not. Obama concerns me because anyone tht is going to try to increase taxes during this recession is extremely naive to say the least. We will end up in a depression like we did in 1929.

John, the Chinese have over a trillion in surplus. Well over. They can afford to fund their own citizen’s retirement plans and don’t need to wait for scraps from us. We are in this mess largely because of the policies which McCain intends to continue on with. There is an old chinese proverb: “If you don’t change direction, you will end up where you are going”. Where we have been going isn’t leading anywhere that I want to be. It’s time to change direction.

** Obama is going to increase taxes on businesses
Nope.. no change to corporate tax structure
** if you put the squeeze on the small businesses, increase payroll taxes
Nope.. small businesses are exempt from the health care tax, and are provided other benefits.. and if they were so worried, why is the American Small Business League endorsing Obama?
http://www.asbl.com/showmedia.php?id=1002
** Poor people don’t create jobs wealthy ones do
Wrong.. the middle class drives the economic machine. If it were not for their spending, businesses would have no sales.. without sales, no profits.. without profits, no jobs and no businesses.. face it, trickle down hasn’t worked since it was first coined in 1927 by hoover.
** We will end up in a depression like we did in 1929.
Major cause of depression is continued and sustained deficit spending.. guess how we got where we are now?
Do you get all your information from SPAM emails? You might try picking up a book on economics or history.. they are much better sources of real facts, not fiction dear!

Mary Sue-Hon, again read the entire article “However, even when the problem may be caused by something else, like too much EZ-credit, a significant tax cut is an effective way to deal with the problem. Indeed, I might even say that it is the only effective, positive thing a government can do. As you might have gathered from reading this far, neither changes in spending nor changes in regulation tend to alter the course of economic developments very much, unless there are really egregious problems in those areas. George W. Bush, though much loathed (here too) for many other things, nevertheless had the right idea when he cut taxes in 2003.”

PS: And Mary Sue – You Rock!!! You are one clever Gal – Love your posts. Ciao.

Nite chester :)

In the long run McCains policy is beter for America, as far as stimulating more jobs. You guys are worried about your pocket books, not what is best for America. What is in it for me.
Also this is only one area that needs to be looked at.
The Union Card issue, allowing open ballots is wrong.
The Democrats wanting to take over 401K accounts.
The Democrats wanting to bring back the Fairness Doctrine.
Obama and his ideas the Constitution needs to be changed to make up for all the wrongs to the black man, by redistributive change = share the wealth, BS.
Our constitution has worked well for almost 250 years, it does not need changed

This is for real: Colin Powell endorses Obama—–Al Qaeda endorses McCain: ““Al Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election,” read a commentary on a password-protected Islamist Web site that is closely linked to Al Qaeda and often disseminates the group’s propaganda.The endorsement left the McCain campaign sputtering.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/opinion/26kristof.html?em

** Lastly you realize when the Bush tax cuts are rolled back that will be a tax increase.
Yes dear, but for only those making $250K or more.. please check your facts..
Nite nite.. keep clinging baby, all the way to November 4th!!

#1. If corporations and higher-income individuals who run businesses are taxed more, they will pass the tax increases on to the rest of us in higher prices (and/or lower quality).
2. So even IF (and that’s a BIG IF) Obama lowered taxes by $1,000 for some people, I guarantee you that we’d pay much more than that in higher prices!
3. We would also see many businesses have to cut jobs because of the higher taxes for corporations.
4. More unemployment payments eventually means more taxes for everyone.
5. Just a note: Of course Hollywood celebrities support Obama and the higher taxes. These people feel guilty that they make truckloads of money (millions and millions) for each movie and feel a need to resolve their guilt. Moreover, they can make back any extra in taxes by just charging a few million more to star in the next movie. Simple enough. And you? You’ll pay more for your movie ticket Joe.

If right wingers want to argue that Obama won’t stick to his work and will raise taxes to people making less than $250K then we left wingers can just as easily say that McCain will have to raise taxes with all the programs he plans to offer. Do people seriously believe he can open over 45 nuclear power plants without raising taxes? Give me a break. He conceded to the fact that he will raise taxes on health insurance. Where will it stop with him?

There is very good intellect in many of these posts. I’m an Independent, never have voted on party lines in 30 yrs. I’m still not happy Hillary is not a candidate, our country was better off when Clinton was president. Step back and look at all four of these candidates, honestly, is this the best our country can do? Absolutely not, but that’s politics. Did anyone attend that Obama/Oprah rally in Columbia SC? That is when I decided I would never vote for Obama. The media barely covered the racist remarks both of them made, referenced slavery, wanted all blacks to vote for him because “it’s our time”. There were thousands of people (mostly white but also black) that took great offense to these statements and walked out of the rally. Remember how Obama tried to cover his butt, once again saying “what I really meant was…” Oprah stated she was offended that she was perceived as a racist and since that rally and all the conflict they caused, she has maintained a low profile in supporting him. If a white candidate ever made racial remarks of “white power or vote for me because I’m white” I still would have been offended. Agreed that Obama pens very inspirational speeches, but he has flip-flopped on issues and uses his mixed race depending upon the audience. If nothing else this election has caught the attention of millions of previously unregistered voters, majority of them are black to support Obama. I sincerely wish these millions of Americans would have participated in prior elections which would have prevented Bush from being elected. Should Obama lose the election, every American should continue to participate in the election process otherwise don’t complain about the negative results when you have the right and power to make a difference. There are far too many reasons not to bring Obama/Biden into office and the same argument can be made on McCain/Palin. Too much vocus on the VP’s right now, both lack credentials, both have made ignorant statements. Focus on the Presidential candidate. My gut instinct from day one is not to trust Obama, no matter what he says, I’ve watched his actions instead, look at his background, his affiliates, his desire to change the foundations of this country that negatively impact the majority. I’m sick of his single mother and poor folk statements. I have no pity for those who do not want to rise above their conditions, educate themselves and maintain employment that provides a decent income. I was a single parent and I worked hard for many years to support my child without welfare and I earned what I have. I’m glad my tax dollars are spent on the elderly, veterans, handicapped and those with medical conditions provided they are American citizens. I do not however want to support anyone who will not work as hard as I have to make a difference and not breed themselves into a cycle of poverty. Obama’s home state (IL) is in terrible condition with the high murder and crime rates and he failed to follow through on his campaign promises when he ran for his Senate seat. The amount of campaign funds generated by Obama is extremely suspect, why is the media not investigating who is funneling all this money to slam-dunk his election? Another lie of his by accepting public funds, a desperate measure to buy the Presidency. All of these reasons are why the McCain/Palin ticket is perceivd as negative, they are trying to caution the American people on this candidate. I’ll put my trust with McCain, who has the proven experience to bring this country together, lower taxes, create new jobs and maintain jobs in this country by keeping corporate taxes as low as possible. I believe McCain will have an intelligent staff of cabinet members that will consider the impact of their actions on all income classes, no matter their race or religion.

Investors Flee From ‘Change’ Obama Hypes—
By JACK KEMP AND PETER FERRARA | Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 4:30 PM PT
Are Barack Obama’s proposed tax increases adversely affecting our financial markets?— We say yes, unambiguously. The senator has done a masterful job distracting attention from his tax increases with his $500-per-worker tax credit supposedly for 95% of Americans.
Obama has also set forth more than half a dozen additional refundable income tax credits targeted to low- and moderate-income workers for child care, education, housing, welfare, retirement, health care and other social purposes.
These tax credits are devised to phase-out based on income, which will ultimately increase marginal income tax rates for middle-class workers. In other words, as you earn more, you suffer a penalty in the phase-out of these credits, which has the exact effect of a marginal tax rate increase. That harms, rather than improves, the economy.

Amazed , what you fail to recognize is that Jack Kemp, just like George bush, just like McCAin is a believer in Supply Side Economics. Well, just lookie lookie of how crappy supply side economics does!!!! Pull back regualtions, give huge tax cuts to the most wealthy and then sit back a nd just HOPE that the wealthy ahd big business an banks do something useful with all that money and all that freedom they were given to “drive’ the economy…..Hey, how’d that work??????

The key to economic recovery is JOBS (according to Sen Biden-a 3 letter word). The only way jobs are created is to allow business, both big and small, to have the funds to create them. Tax revenue pays the bills and without working people paying taxes and businesses profitable, we will not be able to balance our budget. Obama’s plans will not create an environment for job creation hence continued debt, and the middle class will forever be in poverty. By the way we all will get a tax increase when Bush’s tax cuts expire and I do not believe Mr. Obama plans to keep them.

Questions for every single one of you who calls Obama a socialist:
Can you even define socialism?
Are you opposed to paying ANY taxes? Don’t you understand that ALL taxation is a form of wealth distribution?
It is socialist to pay taxes for public schools, Medicare, roads, clean drinking water, and the police and armed forces that protect us?
Once you get past the mindless and ignorant name-calling, it seems the only issues are: Who pays the taxes and how much do they pay?
I’ve examined both candidate’s plans, and I’m definitely better off under Obama.

See: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/news-orgs-investigate-pos_n_138449.html
The navy is apparently refusing to release documents related to a fatal automobile accident, involving Johnny McSame in 1964. Specifically, for the past two months, a major American magazine and an allied news service have been engaged in a legal battle with the United States Navy over records that they believe show that John McCain once was involved in an automobile accident that injured or, perhaps, killed another individual.
Further, according to the article, “plaintiffs have also obtained documents showing that law enforcement officers were ordered back to the accident scene to retrieve personal physical effects. The Navy has never publicly acknowledged this information,” one document reads. “This request involves federal government activity, as it addresses what may be an attempt by the Navy to protect by concealment the involvement of a former Navy officer, sitting Senator and Presidential candidate in a serious incident involving the injury or death of another human being.”
Finally, “the first request for information concerning duty assignment logs to Portsmouth Naval Hospital — where McCain was allegedly brought after the accident — came in the form of a Freedom of Information Act request on August 28, 2008. The Navy acknowledged receipt of the request and advised that it had located the relevant information a few weeks later, only to deny the FOIA on grounds that it didn’t prove an “imminent threat to the life or physical safety of an individual” or satisfy the criteria of “a breaking news story of general public interest.”
Thus, there is no doubt the navy has documents related to a fatal automobile accident in which Johnny McSame was involved, but it’s refusing to release the documents to keep the story from hitting the press before election day. Obama/Biden 2008!!!

As an unaffiliated voter, I’m tired of people crying socialist to scare others into voting their way instead of on solid facts. The republicans have been aggressively redistributing wealth to the corporations and rich since Reagan! McCain has no understanding of the middle class. He has never experienced what the average American deals with every day. Why do you think he keeps preaching trickle down economics? That’s the class he knows, and their greed has done this country no favors.

Tell us George, what then happened when Clinton got in office after he ran on lowering taxes????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Fools..your answer is the longest sustained period of growth and prosperity in American history. Nice try though.

Sorry that the Rasmussen link above didn’t take. Here it is.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/mccain_trusted_more_on_taxes_and_economy

It’s a done deal folks – Obama clearly had the awesome factor. Awesome always beats old. Let the awesome-ness begin….

I refer you to reference A – the awesome-ness factor.

I’m a woman, who is voting for Barrack b/c i don’t want to lose more of my freedoms. Palin is not even close to being a woman- SHe represents everything from a unhealed male viewpoint. (no offense to those men who have already healed/ are healing this)
She has total disregard for our mother earth, (supported the aerial gunning of wolves, refuses to put Polar bears on a endangered list) …. b/c it might affect the oil money she wants her state to make:
Wants to have drilling in the Arctic Refuge… and doesn’t think we are having any impact on our environment with fossil fuels. (yeah and smoking doesn’t give you cancer either…. just think of it on a bit grander scale)
She is for the disinformation of people (especially women who usually have less $ then men & need a library) by trying to ban books and ideas… that she doesn’t like. (the last i heard that’s my right to read what i want… )
Does not take a stand in the mistreatment of females. She thinks if a woman was raped and pregnant from that rape, she should bear that child ( and look at it everyday to be reminded, (don’t worry i’m sure that child would be loved… ha!)… therefore she is supporting the abuse of women and that child).
and If Mcain (an angry war veteran with a failing heart) dies she’s president…. and THAT scares me.
Even if he doesn’t… all he knows is war.
VOTE OBAMA in ’08.
and please really vote… don’t just say it.

Ummm, George? By any chance did you check out the latest Rasmussen Polls? Apparently, YOU’RE a little out of touch because today’s poll shows more American’s trust John McCain on Taxes and Economy than Barrack Obama… Umm, letting your Partisan side show, George.

For all you that voted for OBAMA… good job!! you all just sold your soul to the devil!!! Money this and money that, but I know where my morals are and I would much rather be poor and have morals than let a muslum whos leader HIMSELF SAID “GOD DAMN AMERICA”, run our country. Do you want someone to run this country who doesnt appreciate it, I sure dont, but good job to all the democrats who voted for change, but remember not ALL change is good!

Dear computer,
You know what? I think I have a little story to tell about in particular money markets. In the last July, 2007 the markets starts to show something it well happen badly in the economy. I think I can figured out who than this to happen? The people who manages the financial investment and they work as a employer under in the name of mission emplyment agency “AUSTRALIA”. If they the one who done the damage, why they do this and ruined the economy in the world. Not only in AUSTRALIA but also the whole world affects, all peopl’s have invested their money in the markets some loss and some gain. What can you do?!? Finding whose people who work and done and ruined the economy and finalize them? Because is a very serious offense. They have broken the laws. Thank you, we hope for a better next time like good investment.

Dear computer,
You know what? I think I have a little story to tell about in particular money markets. In the last July, 2007 the markets starts to show something it well happen badly in the economy. I think I can figured out who than this to happen? The people’s who manages the financial investment and they work as a employer under in the name of mission emplyment agency “AUSTRALIA”. If they the one who done the damage, why they do this to ruined the economy in the world. Not only in AUSTRALIA but also the whole world affects, all people’s have invested their money in the markets some loss and some gain. What can you do?!? Finding whose people’s who work and done ruined the economy and finalize them? Because is a very serious offense. They have broken the laws. Thank you, we hope for a better next time like good investment.