Who’s Attacking Joe the Plumber? Barack Obama Says Not Him

EVERYBODY who thinks the middle class needs a break, raise your hand!
You are the people that Barack Obama is worried about.

Obama and Biden both mocked him. Of course, we cannot expect their ABC campaign headquarters to accurately report how they both mocked someone who asked the great Obama a question. Pathetic and disgusting what those two and their media goons have done to an ordinary citizen. I cannot find where Obama came out and told the media to back off the guy that all he had done was ask a question. He only complains when it affects him.

Just saw tonight that Palin is a bigger drag on McCain now than Bush. Wow. Seriously, somebody actually polled the question of what concerns people more about McCain. Palin was numero uno.
Guessing that Hail Mary pass just landed with a thud short of the endzone.

So it wasn’t Obama who was making fun of Joe the Plumber, and all plumbers, at a rally last week? Sure looked like him. How does he get away with lying so blatantly all the time? I know Americans have short memories, but come on, a week?

Keith- How did Obama make fun of him? Please explain.

I guess after Joe the Plumber said that the media was ruining his life, and digging into his personal life. I’ve seen him on the Huckabee show, and Hannity, and maybe he has been on other shows also. It looks like he’s running with his 15 minutes of fame. Watch out, because Ed the Dairyman might be catching up to you in popularity.

I’m sorry, I was wrong. It seems I should stop watching Fox news and listening to what they say.

McCain and Palin can’t stop lying.

ubu1991 and Keith claim that Obama mocked Joe the Plumber. You guys are just parroting the talking points on FOX news. Obama certainly did not mock Joe the Plumber. All he asked was the question “How many plumbers do you know who make $250,000 a year?” You call that mocking? Even Joe himself said on FOX that he makes nowhere near that much. As a result he stands to benefit handsomely from Obama’s tax cuts for the middle class.

If Obama wanted to emulate McCain’s attack ads, we would hear robocalls in the Heartland informing America’s patriots that McCain:
a) was in the pocket of former Lincoln Savings & Loan president and criminal Charles Keating;
b) was buddies with fellow criminal Republicans Ted Stevens, Tom Delay, Scooter Libby, Trent Lott, Jack Abrahamoff, Don Young, Larry Craig, Mark Foley…etc;
c) accepted political donations from the Watergate criminal G. Gordon Liddy;
d) picked a runningmate mired in scandal (Troopergate) and has acted “unethical” according to her own people;
e) gave up information to his communist captors in North Vietnam, whereas other American prisoners did NOT;
McCain has a lot to answer for, but Obama hasn’t stooped to that level. You can’t call yourself a patriot while voting for criminals.

Obama seems to have a memory loss…
At a campaign rally a few days ago, Obama mocked Joe the Plumber by saying that John McCain was fighting for a PLUMBER (he then repeated a PLUMBER) and then chuckled as the crowd went wild cheering..
That is an outright attack on the man and his career…
Those WORDS will come back to haunt him at the polls…
The silent majority are just watching and then will VOTE…

Everone know that OBAMA is going to win.
I don’t know why McCain is trying to run against the next leader of the U.S. McCain does not care for things like educations, college tuituon and wants to raise taxes.
You shouldn’t be voting on a person who has got shot because he will not be a good leader for our country..
Vote or Die!!

A tax cut from Obama, when donkeys fly. Obama is known for raising taxes, now, when is running for president, he will cut taxes.
This is a gamble with Obama, as his court problem will prevent him from being president.
Per the constitution, you have to be a natural-born citizen of the USA. When Obama was adopted by his step-father and moved to Indonesia for about 5 years, he became a citizen of that country; he lost his natural-born citizenship status. case:08-cv-04083
Obama’s lawyers are in court fighting against showing his “original” long version)Birth Certificate, Certification of Citizenship and Oath of Allegiance.
Why won’t Obama cooperate with the federal judge and produce the documents?
What does Obama have to hide?
No documents, no vote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McCain and Palen are pathetic. They hae no solutions and they put Joe(Sam) as the mascot of thier campaign. Now the poor guy is rich with all the endorcements he will get, Once the election is over, poor joe or sam will once again be forgotten by McCain and Palen. make no mistake, Joe will get screwed by Mccain’s policies that favor the rich

YES, Obama DID attack ‘Joe the plumber” at his campaign rallies- he angrily said “Yah, this plumber, hey! I don’t know any plumbers that make $250k a year!!” His exact QUOTE. Yes that is an attack! AND a lie, that Joe smartly pointed out on Hannity the other night – he said he NEVER said he made $250k a year and that he said he “aspired” to someday MAKE $250k a year! Get your lies and attacks correct Obama! We all have EARS.

I understand that in Ohio and Florida, John McCain is leading by 2%.
It was interesting that in the Democratic primary, Obama limped across the line and needed Hillary and Bill Clinton to go out and stump for him.
Even they are not really enthusiastic about helping.
Obama’s attacks on people like Joe the Plumber are an indicator of how arrogant he has become and it will show on November 4 when McCain wins the election.

Good ole Joe the Senator did say and ridicule that Joe the plumber didn’t even have a license. Unfortunately, plumber’s license was not the issue. Issue was, ….what can Hussein Obama’s tax plan do for Joe if he’s thinking about buying a business that could generate over 250K annually? The answer: You make over 250K, we shall taketh away from you and give it to the poor and the lazies.

Joe the plumber, actually works for a living. He knows the dems will not help him. That’s why the Obama/democrats attempted to dig up some dirt on Joe.
Obama followers are scared of a working man. They are waiting on the handouts, the money that Obama will steal (tax) from the workers and give to the welfare people.
Excuse me, Obama calls welfare, a tax credit.
Get a job…

Even Joe Biden thinks he’s not READY to be President. He said so yesterday!

Oh no Senator it’s never you!! Even when your caught, you still deny it.
Remember you are on tape dissing him, and so is your retard VP Biden. It seems he can’t keep classified information to himself.

The McCain campaign is good at nothing else but raising “imaginery” issues.

How is giving a tax cut to 40% of people who don’t even pay taxes considered a tax cut? Sound more like a charty event that will put us farther in debt. If you don’t believe me look at the math in Obama’s plan. 40% of his taxes break goes to those who do not pay taxes.

Yah, I think they need to release Joe Bidens Brain scans.

You guys are so funny. What are you going to do when Obama wins.

SF: “I understand that in Ohio and Florida, John McCain is leading by 2%.”
Depends which polls you look at. Some have Obama up by 5 in FL and by 2 in OH.
But that’s not the whole picture.
McCain is losing CO, NM and IA. He’s desperately trying to compensate for that lost 21 electors by picking up 21 in PA.
Obama’s lead in PA is double digits, but the McCain camp thinks its soft. That’s why they’ve been in PA so much the last few days. Its a desperate attempt to get back the 21 electors they acknowledge they are going to lose.
But its worse than that for McCain. He not only needs to turn PA red, but also needs to hold every other state Bush won in ’04. This means not only OH and FL, but also MO, VA, NC and NV.
If Obama wins any one of them he wins the election – even if he loses PA.

Obama is a con man.

I kind of feel sorry for Joe the Plumber. He apparently was a plant by local talk radio – after which he got used and and his tax debts published. I think he got taken advantage of. Obama was not disrespecting Joe – but calling foul on the McCain campaign by using such a blatant ruse to try to bolster their lagging campaign. If I was Joe the Plumber, I’d be pretty annoyed right now.

Just more lies from John McCain (Old McLie). HE’S the one who brought up Joe in the debate. The McCain/Palin love coming up with clever nicknames for people: Sally the secretary, Larry the Lawyer, Neil the nukular physicist, Abe the apartment building landlord…etc. The like doing this so that they don’t have to admit that real people have real problems. They like having clever little Three Stooges nicknames for people. So they brought up Joe the Plumber (really Joe the tax evading non licensed plumbing company employee) and now they’re mad that his little story made them look like idiots.

I would not vote for Obama for dog catcher.
Posted by: Vic | Oct 21, 2008 10:13:12 PM
Well Vic you won’t have to cause he’ll be the pres

SF – you really want to build a campaign message of the minute around the interpretation that the line you quoted is Obama going after Joe the plumber?
I just don’t think many will buy that one, or even care. There are real issues being discussed, and the question of whether Obama was mocking Joe or mocking John McCain just isn’t one of them.
But by all means, feel free to keep talking about the silly stuff. Its what got you guys in this hole in the first place.

What will Joe the plumber think of this?
Sarah Palin speaks of the Washinton elite and shows sympathy towards the poor folks hurting as a result of the economy. Yet it appears ,according to Politico’s Ben Smith, that the McCain campaign has spent upwards of $150,000 to clothe and accessorize Palin and her family in one month alone…wonder what Joe the Plumbers would think of that!! Not a great message to the vast majority of folks out there who are struggling to keep their homes & the bills paid!! I guess freezing spending only applies to others in these difficult times!!

I am voting McCain. I am so sick of the media trying to shove Obama down our throats..he is so full of it is everyone drinking cool-aid? I say no more taxes!!!!!!!!!! I own a small business and I will close up shop!
Why work or dream or aspire to do anything? just sit on your bottom and wait for Obama to send you a check while he taxes all businesses straight out of America…wake up people!
I am MAD!!! Get off your bottom and work! go to school! educate yourself! Wow then maybe you will make more money! What a concept or the rapidly disappearing American dream…why dream just follow Obama straight off the cliff!

A lot of you guys should stop watch FOX news, which by far is the most bias new ever…And a lot of you take some stupid things for insult. Obama is trying to help the middle class which Joe fall in, and he ask a question and you said he insult the guy, please get a life…all who is saying this are all Macain supports, as usaual try to make up stuff…it is sicking because we all know it is not the truth!!!!

13 days and counting. It is getting to the point that I really do not care. You cannot watch or hear any type of news media that is not slanted towards the “one”. We all better hang on to our wallets. How do you the messiah is going to pay for all of his social programs. Listen! How much experience is the “one” bringing to the table. If it had not been for the 04′ Democratic Convention we all would be standing around saying Barack who?

Fed up–I never saw the ’04 democratic convention so it was just last year that I was saying Barack who?
And today, he has flip-flopped so much and everyday there is a new scandal linked to his name that I am still saying Barack who?

That is ridiculous!!! If this is how the neo-cons steal this election, I swear. Because he isn’t American enough. And if you think for one second that the GOP has YOUR best interests in mind.. not unless you make OVER $250,000. Look at the past eight years. The poor keep getting poorer, but the rich getting richer. Where do you think that all came from?? Thank you Regan-omics!! Obama’s going to make it rain!

Joe the plumber invited the media to go through his life and everything that has ever happened to him. Joe cast himself into the spotlight. McCain or Obama are not responsible for this. Unfortunately, when you insert yourself into the middle of a political campaign, make yourself the center of attention, make attention grabbing statements; you have to be squeeky clean. I don’t feel sorry for Joe.

Barrack Hussein Obama with his past history of crack addiction and close associations with terrorists and convicted felons wouldn’t be able to get a job cleaning the toilets at the Pentagon
the fact the he is being considered for President is an autrocity

DTS: “Joe the plumber invited the media to go through his life and everything that has ever happened to him.”
I don’t think that’s true. All he did was ask Obama a question and have a short conversation. It was John McCain who made Joe a central figure at that last debate. If anything, McCain invited the media to take a look.
And unfortunately for Joe, it would have been better if McCain hadn’t. His boss will get fined for hiring unlicensed plumbers and he’ll get hit with back taxes owed.

Paul–you do not have to have a license unless you are a Master plumber. My brother-in-law is a plumber, so I’m getting this info first hand.

For all those posting about the birth certificate rumors, just educate yourselves. This has been answered a thousand times. In 9th grade Civics we learned that if you’re born to an American citizen then you are a natural citizen.Deal with it and move on to the next BS rumor.Nothing to see here folks.

Paul:
I don’t have anything funny going on on my map, I don’t think. I’m also assuming J Mac wins Indiana and ND. Sen. Obama continues to carry NH and ME2. Mine is showing 270-268.
If I were the McCain campaign, I’d be much more worried about the whole “win Pennsylvania” premise than holding the Old Dominion. If you think Sen. Obama is on his way to winning VA, you probably think he’s on his way to winning 350 EV, which I’m sure a lot of intelligent people agree with.

Ok r-tards, how is stating the obvious – Plumbers do NOT make more then $250K per year an attack on Joe and the rest of the plumbers? I have a friend who is a plumber and he says he wishes he can make $250K/yr. Now lets go to salary.com and see what plumbers make in Seattle (zip code 98119) which is where his business is located…
hmmm…not even freakin close to $250K + a year.
Per Salary.com $44,983 is the lowest paid 10% for a Plumber 3 position (someone with seniority – lots of it) and $71,246 for the highest paid 10% and the average makes about $57K/yr
Sorry, not even close to $250K per yer.
Sooo….I did not know stating the facts were now considered attacks.
Ahh…the logic of the dumbest people in America is hilarious. Whatever happened to the smart Americans that value a good education and value their country first and party affiliation?

With all this back and forth about
Joe the Plumber, look at the facts.
John McCain is the one who tosses
this guy’s name out to the nation
during the 3rd debate – first AND
last name. They guy obviously didn’t
know too much about the tax rates or
he would have known that under the
Obama tax plan he would have paid
less tax, not more. He states that
the company he was planning to buy
took in about 250,000 to 280,000
a year. As a small business owner,
I can assure you that, after you deduct
from that, all employee wages,
insurance costs, utilities, office
expenses, local and state taxes,
equipment and other cost related to
doing business, the net profit, on
which your income tax is based, would
be far under $250,000. If Joe doesn’t
know this,he doesn’t need to be
buying a business. Further more,
Obama never mocked Joe. He was making
light of McCain’s proposing that
Joe the Plumber would have to pay
such increased taxes under Obama’s
plan that he wouldn’t be able to
own a business. The McCain campaign
would have you feeling so sorry for
this poor guy who only wants to own
a business and work hard, all the
while Joe the Plumber is making
appearances on TV shows, raking in
big fees and seemingly loving all
the attention. Now the guy says he
thinks the government should do away
with Social Security! I thought
Sarah Palin was the ultimate
embarrassment for McCain, but it just
keeps getting worse!

Anyway, holding Virginia might not be the easy part, as you say. Numerous polls are showing Obama up by double digits in VA.
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I know a lot of people who are part of a union endorsing Obama, but are actually voting for McCain.
Obama will have a problem with the Bradley effect also. There are a lot of people who are saying they will vote for Obama; because they don’t want to be called “racist”, but they are voting for McCain.
A lot of Obama’s base are young people, who tend to have a low voter turnout, and blacks, who also have a low voter turnout.
And then we have Operation Chaos. Many Republicans, like myself, voted for Hillary in the primary because McCain was already established as the Republican candidate. I had to register as a democrat, but I’m voting for McCain. Then you have the HIllary supporters (PUMA) who are voting for McCain.
The media is inflating the poll numbers as they do for democrats every election. Election day of 04, had Kerry up in Ohio by 5. Bush took that state as you know and many others that were suppose to be going for Kerry.

I’ve heard a lot about Obama’s association with Bill Ayers, and the fact that somehow he is supposed to a believer of what Bill believed. Good,does that mean that Sara Palin actually wants to seek Alaska’s independence from USA. After all, her husband was a member of a party (AIC) that wanted secession of Alaska from the United States. Does that mean at one point in time Sara wanted to cut free from good ole USA, now that’s patriotic!!!

Posted by: llou225 | Oct 21, 2008 10:43:10 PM
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There is a lot of under estimation going on about Palin. She has energized the republican base and draws huge crowds. SNL’s numbers were the highest in 15 yrs this past Saturday. She has an 85% approval rating in Alaska. She has experience actually running a state, Obama has never so much as run a corner store.
Since the day Palin was introduced to the nation, the Dems saw her as a threat and set attacking her before even knowing who she was.
The liberal talking points are getting redundant and are baseless.

Hey look, good folks,
Barack Obama is a US born in Hawaii; John McCain is a US citizen born in the Panama Canal Zone.
Let’s give this one a rest, huh?
Aren’t there truly important issues like the economy to talk about?

Posted by: akimbf | Oct 21, 2008 10:46:57 PM
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If this is all you have against Palin, the Dems are in trouble. To compare seccession from a state to the murdering terrorist Bill Ayers is like comparing an ant to an elephant.
Many cities and states throughout the history of the U.S. have tried and some succeeded. Most recent was Vermont in 2007. Chicago tried to secede from Illinois at one time. It is really no big deal.

That’s the point S Adams, we don’t know who she is, and when we try to find out, and she says ‘oh, guess what? I can see Russia from Alaska, I am a foreign affairs expert’. We have to be a bit concerned, have you actually looked at the interviews that Ms. Palin has had so far? That’s the person you want in charge of US foreign affairs, in a time when anti US sentiments are growing around the world. I Don’t think so.

S Adams: “To compare seccession from a state to the murdering terrorist Bill Ayers is like comparing an ant to an elephant.”
First, the party is dedicated to the secession of the state from the union, not secession from a state…
Second, are you joking?
I seem to remember secession being, oh, the cause of the Civil War. And you’re telling me that whatever the weathermen knuckleheads did was more significant?

Jamson Byrd–Indonesia also does not have a dual-citizenship law. Not to mention that when Obama travelled with his 2 muslim roommates from Occidental when he was 20 yrs old, he got into Pakistan with his Indonesian passport. Also Phil Berg found during his investigation that a birth certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama, Jr with Obamas birthdate was found in a hospital in Kenya.
Add that to the fact that Obama is refusing to show his actual birth certificate. What’s the problem, why won’t he clear the whole thing up by just producing the thing and closing the case instead of fighting it?

Ellen – even Alaska doesn’t give her an 80+ approval rating anymore. She’s still in the low 60s, but her antics on the national campaign trail have caused her a fair amount of support back home.

“If this is all you have against Palin, the Dems are in trouble. To compare seccession from a state to the murdering terrorist Bill Ayers is like comparing an ant to an elephant.” S. Adams
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Excuse me, but Professor Ayers is not running for office. Governor Palin is.
And no, this is not the main thing that we have against her. The idea of her being a heartbeat away from the presidency terrifies most of us.

Obama hasnt said anything bad about joe the plumber. He does what he has always done.
GO GET HIS FACIST HENCHMEN to rip apart the guy the he himself can deny it.
He of course hasnt denounced MSNBC or the New York times or anyone who has VETTED Joe the plumber. Like a private citizen should be VETTED because Obama gave a lousy answer to his question.
Facism is coming folks. When ordinary citizens can be RIPPED APART because they dared to make Obama look bad.
Obama supports have acted very much the same as the SS did for Hitler.
Ruthlessly WIPE OUT any opposition to Obama.

It’s pretty pathetic. Again, the left and their goons in the news from (CNN) the Communist News Network, and others, ABC, NBC, and so forth, use their power to decide who they are going to try and influence America to vote for. Would really like to see the media shown up for what it is, the most biased group in America today.

Paul–YES I AM! And my case still stands, if you don’t believe me look it up for yourself. There are so many states listed I can’t name them all here.
Those weatherman knuckleheads killed a police officer and maimed another for life. They also firebombed a Supreme Court Justices’ home with his family inside, John Murtaugh was 9 at the time and they barely got out alive. And to this day Bill Ayers and his wife, 2 unrepentent terrorists wished they had done more. Obama blurbed a book for Ayers just a few years ago.
I’d say Obama is in agreement with Ayers anti-american rhetoric, otherwise he would have never had anything to do with them in the first place.

Maybe Ole John should worry more about his thieving running mate and her attempts to cover up her stealing from the state of Alaska and less about his incompetence on the economy, OH, yeah, I see why they call it the “devil and the deep blue sea”. You lose no matter what, Ole John.

Joe the Plumber is a fake and a phoney and an embarrassment to the McCain campaign. Obama or Biden do not need to say another word about him. Joe the Plumber with his half-truths and outright lies is a testament to the McCain-Palin ticket. They are running on a campaign of half-truths and lies. No Way No How No McCain-Palin!

Paul,
I’m sorry if you misunderstood me. I am not a Palin supporter–quite the contrary.
I’d just like to keep my reputation clear!

Obama supporter X354, this is Obama supporter V19-D. Take a look at what a poster calling himself “infoseeking” wrote:
“Facism is coming folks. When ordinary citizens can be RIPPED APART because they dared to make Obama look bad. Obama supports have acted very much the same as the SS did for Hitler. Ruthlessly WIPE OUT any opposition to Obama.”
Right, he said that.
Say again, you’re breaking up… okay, roger, tax audit. Got it.

S Adams your opinions on the polls and the media overly inflating the polls for Dems is garbage. This election season the political enviroment is totally different than it was in 2000 and 2004. The country was not in a recession then, and we are almost in a recession now, people are now losing jobs, money, 401k’s and homes. People were not loosing these in the previous 2 elections. You don’t think seeing your 401k drop or on the verge of loosing your house/job is going to open someones eyes and have people start looking for something new? This is not a controlled experiment, so you can not take those 2 previous elections and compare them to this one.
These are my opinions and I dont want any of you f-gs or jews start bashing for being an expert on this (im not).

Some of you guys are clueless, do you actually believe that if Obama was not a US citizen that the GOP would have been all over that by now. I mean, for you guys to actually be here entertaining such rubbish and actually promoting it is disheartening, then again I guess that’s why you find the Palin McCain ticket so exciting. Vote them in and your great-grand children will read about a once great nation called the USA.

Folks, can I bring this wandering thread back to the news story that we are supposed to be responding to? That Sen. Obama has dissed Joe the Plumber?
How many of you have seen the clip of their encounter? 5 minutes of respectful answers from Obama.
Hands up.
If you’ve haven’t seen it, it would behoove you to do so before posting again in this thread.

Polls have Palin’s and McCain’s negatives higher than her positives. Majority of Americans have a favorable opinion of Obama. There is good reason for that.

By the way while I am on this tonight. Where is ABC standing on Acorn My feeling that even ONE fraud vote should something to write about I dont care which party, If this continues, as it today, it is just the beginning of a huge problem, I think that it must be checked out by ALL of the media, if they are doing there job to be fair and unbias

IT WASNT OBAMA, but the leftist media, WHO ACHE TO SEE HIM ELECTED….The media will pursue and try to destroy anyone who shows America what Mr. Hussein Obama really is and what he represents…..2008 will also be remembered as the year jounalism finally died!!!!!!!!!

Obama is just too Confident for the average republican I guess!!
Don’t believe the polls folks, Obama is going to win by a landslide!!!! The MILLIONS of new Democratic voters do not answer polls! BLUE FROM OCEAN TO OCEAN!

Oh, right jerry. I forgot the ACORN attack.
Or even the elitist attack.
So which is it tonight?

I have heard the clips from both Biden and Obama; they treated him with contempt. “I don’t know any plumbers in my neighborhood who make $250,000 a year”…well Joe, that’s because you don’t HAVE plumbers in your neighborhood. And he’d be better off LISTENING. Joe never said he did make it, only that he wanted to buy a business that does. And Obama got a few laughs with “A plumber is who he (McCain) is fighting for.” That is offensive because our country is great BECAUSE of average citizens.

Ok Paul you what to pick the subject, I am sure that Obama has send you enough literature to try to make a case on either one and also sure that you have not done any research on either subject

excuse me, geevill, but will you please point to any presidential candidate of any party who has *ever* released their college transcripts?
And why on earth would John McCain choose to start this tradition? His would be laughable.

Anyone else find it funny that the headline is “Who’s Attacking Joe the Plumber?” and it is McCain’s picture shown (not to mention Obama’s quote saying “not me”)?
Anyone still think the MSM is unbiased?

A governor can not vote present 130 times and get by with it. She was in charge of thousands of people

jerry: “It is clear that you have not been exposed the the workings of the goverment, and have no clue in how goverment works.”
Don’t just state that its clear. Explain how its clear. Take exception with something I posted.

jerry: “A governor can not vote present 130 times and get by with it. She was in charge of thousands of people.”
Oh come on, jerry. Now who’s spouting the campaign rhetoric. I though with all your vast experience we were going to have a substantive debate.

Hey Jerry – what’s are “resposiblitys?”
Come-On people – even Joe the plumber didn’t blame Obama for the media circus that brought his . . .let call it his “situation” to light. MSNBC figured out that Joe the Plumber wasn’t a Plumber and probably wouldn’t loose any sleep over paying taxes!!!!

typing error

Hey, Jerry,
I’ve got a great idea. Why don’t you go find a state somewhere and run for governor? It would be a wonderfully constructive outlet for you. I wouldn’t suggest Alaska, however. There will not be a vacancy there in the near future.

jerry: “A request must be made the the president, then FEMA”
Wrong. Completely wrong in one sense, and didn’t answer the question about what criteria must be met.
The completely wrong part is the governor doesn’t request FEMA assistance. He requests a presidential declaration, which allows for the appointment of a federal coordinating officer, who then brings in the agencies most applicable to the situation. That FCO is almost always from FEMA, unless terrorism is suspected. But the state doesn’t request FEMA. That’s the FCO’s call.

llou,
Not sure why you bring up the first two as they are not legit issues being addressed by McCain camp.
As for the third, it is Obama’s evolving story about how closely he has worked with Ayers. If it is no big deal, then why has he covered this up and continual changed his story on how close their relationship has been? If he was upfront and honest from the get go with Ayers, this would have been a non-issue (less of an issue).
This leads to a lack of trust even before he makes it into the Oval Office.

What i feel is Obama didn’t attack Joe the plumber himself, but the image what Maccain made out of him.

“A fair question for all in here
What major decison has Obama Made that has made you life better”
–Jerry
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That is indeed a fair question and I’ll give you three.
1) My neighbor Barack Obama’s decision to run for state senate in my district.
2) Barack Obama’s decision to run for the US Senate from my state
3) Barack Obama’s decision to run for the presidency of my beloved country.

jerry: “I see that it is no use trying to hold conversation with people that are narrow minded and have not done research on both sides. Good night.”
I’ll take that as acknowledgement of defeat, lol.

Tim,
With all respect the Ayers story has not “evolved”. It has gone precisely nowhere. Obama served with a number of Republicans on the board of a Republican funded education project.
Duh.

I might as well tell you that I am a democrat and have been for 46 years,always voting for the dem president canidate but after doing a lot of research, I will not vote that way this year, but will support all of our local canidates,

Jerry,
I’m sorry–I wish you could see your way clear to supporting our party’s candidate, but we all vote as our consciences dictate.
Please just keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. I truly think the next 4 years will be different from what you imagine.
A fellow Democrat,
Ellen

Ellen,
You are so right about the issue of
presidential candidates and their
college transcripts. And also your
comment about John McCain’s in particular. Being that he finished
5th from the bottom of his Naval
Academy graduating class and his
statement that he “knows how to win
wars” because he attended the
War College about 40 years ago is
really scary. Obama has degrees from
Columbia as well as Harvard, where
he graduated at the top of his class.
Harvard classmates speak of remembering
him as a leader and someone whom
everybody looked up to and respected.
Someone who made friends with both
conservatives and liberals, which was something quite rare at Harvard.
McCains classmates speak of remembering
him as a rowdy, hard partying guy
who wasn’t too interested in study
and got in trouble frequently for
breaking the rules. I guess that’s
just part of being a “maverick”, huh?

True American: “How does everyone feel about the cesspool of no morality that is Nancy Pelosi’s city, San Fransisco?”
You know, granted, there’s some things that happen in San Francisco I wouldn’t like to be part of, but from I hear its a beautiful city and a terrific place to live. It must be. The market works, right? And property values there sure are expensive.
I remember hearing, when the conversation is the war on drugs, Republicans talk about the Netherlands in the same terms. Cess pool, etc. Bodies floating in rivers. Well, I went there once. Again, its a beautiful place.

Second — “Joe” the Plumber lied when he said he was thinking about buying the business. Not a big deal — we all exaggerate from time to time. But it just proves that the basis for all this was pure BS. I don’t begrudge Sam/Joe his fifteen minutes of fame and I sincerely hope he parlays it into some bucks. But let’s be real. Also, if you watched the actual exchange between Obama and “Joe,” it was a decent exchange, civil, interesting and representing opposing points of view, nothing more or less. It was John McCain who tried to conjure up a symbol of the working man, and, while “Joe” might indeed be one, the way he was exploited is an insult to those of us who are.
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Why has Joe the Plumber been vetted when Obama, who is running for president has not?
All the guy did was disagree with Obama. Obama is the one who was pushing his Marxist agenda and Obama was the one who was in Joe’s neighborhood, Joe didn’t go looking for Obama, Obama found him.

Third — Obama was born in Hawaii, end of story. Because of his father’s birthplace, he did, apparently, have dual citizenship but that expired in 1989 because he did nothing to renew it.
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Obama was adopted by his step-father an Indonesian citizen. Indonesia seems to think that Obama is a citizen of their country and Obama has a passport from Indonesia.
Indonesia does not have a dual citizenship law.

Fourth — “Spreading the wealth” is done every day, one way or the other. If you look at the tax plans of both candidates, they’re both divvying up the pie and “spreading” the wealth.
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Taking from a hard working person who earned their pay to give to someone with not as much ambition, is socialism, anyway you slice it.

True American: “Taking from a hard working person who earned their pay to give to someone with not as much ambition, is socialism, anyway you slice it.”
We’ve had progressive tax rates for as long as I can remember. By your definition, both Bushes and Reagan were socialists.

Can we as adults grow up and start using our minds? Let’s not be low information voters. Let’s not dwell on this when Joe the Plumber himself said it’s the fault of the media. He is most certainly right. While McCain invoked his name 21 times during the debate and Obama 5, the media could have done a puff piece on him and let it go rather than try to get in more interview time with him than they’ve fought for with Sarah Palin. No one’s camped on her front lawn making her answer questions. Let’s take Joe’s example. Joe has picked his candidate. He picked his candidate based on faith in his tax plan. However, Joe does not call Barack Obama names because they don’t agree. He’s using his mind to vote on his issues.
P.S. Anyone who is trying to paint the other candidate as “scary” I hope gets so “scared” they stay home on election day. Ask your relatives that lived through the cold war about fear. They weren’t “scared” of senators.

How is it San Fran isn’t a reflection of the whole rest of the nation’s morality? Let’s hear more.

From snopes:
The Fourteenth Amendment states that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” Since Hawaii is part of the United States, even if Barack Obama’s parents were both non-U.S. citizens who hadn’t even set foot in the country until just before he was born, he’d still qualify as a natural-born citizen.

Or True American, maybe its because of medical marijuana.
Did you know that Virginia was the first state to pass a medical marijuana exception? We were, back in the 1970s.
Are we American enough for you?

What is important about the relationship between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers it establishes a shared ideaolgy. Ayers with his bombing and radical views wanted to see a classless world in which all people are equal and share the wealth. When he realized bombing government buildings and stagging protests were not effective he decided to work fom within the system to establish his vision, his goals. Where better to start then in our school system . teach the youth the evils of imperialism. He meets Barack Obama and invites him to sit on the board of the Anneberg foundation. Would he have extended the invite if he did not share his values.By his own admission he believes in sharing the wealth. It is fair. His words. Now ask yourself how do you see America if he achieves this? Would we still be as driven? Without motivattion to achieve a higher standed of living would we as a country just give up? It is thru our private sector that the greatest amounts of money are given to those less fortunate not the governement. It is not about smearing his past that we ask about his ties, it should be about understanding what he envisions for America. I do not understand how angry his suppoters get when questions are asked. This is our country that we want to hand over to him. A man’s beliefs come from deep within. He claims to be a christian and if a muslim that is ok but why attend a chruch that was a pillar of hate towards this country. Without the guidance of his father Barack did he turn to Rev, Wright. This is important regardless of what you may want to believe. On election day go to the polls with one thought , Do you love this country, are you proud to be an American. Then maybe it is not about taxes or the state of the economy but the future of this country. Do we need to change the ideaolgy or just fix the broken parts.

Paul,
Look back at the transcript of the debate in which Obama was asked about Ayers. Obama mentions that Bill Ayers is “a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English at Chicago…” but makes no mention of serving on the board with him. It was Hillary who brought this up at which point Obama admits to working with Ayers. Obama was not upfront about this.
Look at the transcript yourself but don’t twist what has actually happened to suit your point.
Also, why are you calling McCain a liar? According to the transcript, Obama downplays his relationship until Hillary calls him on this? How is this an example of McCain lying? McCain’s paraphrasing of Obama’s initial response was right on? If you don’t agree, read the transcript again and tell me where I’m wrong.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=2

The thing is, True American, I get this impression that Republicans live in a fantasy world in which 1950s sitcoms seem real.
The country isn’t like that, and never has been. Despite our puritanical roots, you can find cesspools examples anywhere at any time in our history.
There’s drugs everywhere. Hookers everywhere. Wife and child beaters everywhere. Alcoholics everywhere. And there’s also people everywhere who don’t succumb to such temptations, and who try to raise their children so they too will have the ability to resist these things.
And its always been that way.
So I’m not sure exactly what you mean by true American morals.

Joe the Plumber is a hero to all middle class Americans. Why is the Obama campaign colluding with the rabid left-wing to trash Joe? Isn’t this an attack on all middle class Americans?

Tim: “Also, why are you calling McCain a liar? According to the transcript, Obama downplays his relationship until Hillary calls him on this? How is this an example of McCain lying?”
Because it was McCain who repeatedly claimed Obama said Ayers was JUST a guy in the neighborhood.
By the way, I’ve seen the transcript you mentioned. Seems to me Obama was completely up front.

I am voting for Obama. Let me say that up front. The following post, however, is not indicative of the views of informed Obama voters. I disagree with John McCain’s tax plan and his stance on health care. Let’s not be name-callers. This man is an American hero. While I don’t think that guarantees him the presidency I think it quite surely guarantees him respect. Don’t be dragged down to the depths with the attackers. It’s about rising above and refocusing on the country not why people don’t like gay marriage or Bill Ayers.
“John McCain is a very desperate, pathetic and washed up old man! Just today at one of his rallies he mouthed off at Joe Biden and stated that he has already been “Tested” in crises and is therefore better suited as preside! OH for God sakes John come off it! You are now 72 years old, have a past history of crashing some 4 military jets worth millions of dollars 3 of which were the result of YOU hot dogging it trying to look smart, was a POW and many who were in the camp with you called you a big “SONGBIRD” for giving information to the enemy. Of course, we will never know for certain since your military records have been SEALED and therefore cannot be read! As to your claim today of having “BEEN TESTED” you state that was during the CUBAN MISSILE CRISES—MY GOD HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? YEAH, LIKE 42 YEARS AGO!!! Today, you have a reputation of being a hot head easy to anger and in this presidential campaign you have time and again shown poor judgement first with your selection of Sarah Palin who is so very obviously UNQUALIFIED for either the VP or God forbid the Presidency, you continued ads and personal attacks again the character of Obama and Biden by both yourself and Governor Palin, a lack of any real policies and total confusion about how to best deal with the economy which only NOW with 2 weeks before the election you FINALLY recognize as being a problem!! Obama is not only cool and careful, but extremely intelligent and far more likely to make the right decisions in an emergency. No matter how we look at it YOU are simply NOT up to the job of President of the United States. I have already voted for Obama-Biden and encourage other to do the same. We simply CANNOT afford another mistake like we made over the last 8 years!!!!!!!”

Only right wing nuts like Palin, that’s where the 36 percent favorable rating comes from.

Can any of you Obama supporters disagree that practically all of the MSM are in the tank for Obama? Obama does not have to go after the Joe the Plumber because he knows the media will. Other dems are coming out and accusing the McCain/Palin campaign of racism and Obama can feign ignorance of the reasons behind the claims. Obama can keep his nose clean because other dems are doing the dirty work.
Very smart politicaly but very disappointing to watch. My guess is if this strategy works for Obama, 2012 is going to be much, much uglier. Hopefully enough Americans can see through the smoke screen and vote what is best for their country. My guess is even Biden and his loose tongue would agree.

republicans aren’t concerned with “truth” or “honesty” or “facts.” If it helps keep Joe the Plumber in the news, then it MUST be Obama attacking him. Pullease! Obama’s been trying to get him out of the headlines for days now. Why would he attack him?

Obama is a Socialist. If you cannot see that then may God help you.

Everyone saw his smug, arrogant, elitist attack last week on tv, and it made millions of people angry, and sorry but Joe isn’t going under the bus.

God does help me. I understand the difference between socialism and DEMOCRACY — which is the basis of Obama’s plan.

Interesting that John McCain should
bring up the Cuban Missle Crisis
as an example of HIS “being tested”.
It was actually the new president,
John F. Kennedy, who was being
tested and JFK backed them down.
He had a cool temperment and
a steady hand at the helm.

The only perfect world we have to look forward to is heaven. Obama is not a Saviour. Sometimes I sit in total amazement of how slick Obama is and how people really think he’s going to save our country. And I will not be suprised if he becomes president and then all the democrats blame the republicans for the downfall Obama will most likely bring upon our nation.
God help us all.

To Jake Tapper:
Biden ripped Joe the Plumber on Leno.
Hey Obama, Biden ripped Joe the Plumber on Leno.
Unreal Obama is either dense or lying.

The Republican party is the party of division. The Democratic party is the party of inclusion. The republican party relies on division to win elections. That why they always use wedge issues to pit one group of americans against another. They pit black against white, straight vs gay, well off vs struggling american, old vs young, city vs suburb/rural. big cities vs small towns, pro gun vs anti gun, pro life vs pro choice,south vs north etc. That’s the republican playbook, they have to pit us against each other to win and they have become experts at it. It’s up to voters to penalized them for their behavior and ruining our great nation.
Unite and work together. Vote Democratic.
Nov 4, 2008 Judgment Day.

People need to wake up. Obama is not talking about taking Joe the Plumbers money and giving it to people without jobs. That is ridiculous and untrue. He is talking about Mega rich people who are raking in obscene profits while paying their workers minimum wage. If they complain too loud about the low wages, they look for workers in India or China to do the work so they can make even higher profit.
Think about the Walmart hiers making billions a year while their workers can’t pay rent. Think about mortgage and finance CEO’s with paychecks of 487 million over three years while they rape homeowners. Think about Oil execs making 500 billion a year in profit while they bleed America dry.
Wake up people. These mega rich 1-5% don’t let ANYTHING trickle down. They rape the American worker for everything they can and they DON’T PAY TAXES! They write off losses, find every loophole and then have folks like McCain subsidize them. AND YES … paying taxes is patriotic!! It is how we fund America. The problem is that the middle class carries the burden while the mega-rich carry off the rewards.

Dave,
$250,000 is mega rich?
What are you smoking?
Lol.

dave, you’re really drinking so much kool-aid you’re getting cavaties as I type this.
It all trickles down. What jobs have you been given by poor people?
Nobody said they didn’t want to pay taxes, they don’t want to pay MORE taxes than they’re paying now.
Taxes for everyone are high enough.
Enough is enough.
Cut spending, and leave people’s taxes alone. They pay plenty.

The MSM should ask Mr. anti tax why he wants to TAX everyone;s health benefits? After all, this is the hypocrite that told Obama that nobody’s taxes should be raised in this economic environment. McCain and the republicans a hypocrites pure and simple.

Thank you Mr Farrace for your most well argued post.
I find it amazing that after the big Wall St bailout driven by Bush and Paulson and supported by the vast majority of congress, a bailout that McCain interrupted his campaign to see through to completion, that anyone has the chutzpah to start singling out Obama as a socialist. Judged by their deeds, if socialism amounts to ‘spreading the wealth around’ and buying up banks then every government in the advanced industrial world, led by the USA, is doing it. Pointing the finger at socialists in government would be a lot less interesting than pointing the finger at Catholics, because there would be fewer of them.
The main difference is that when Obama proposes to ‘spread the wealth around’ he’s proposing to spread it from people who have lived in extraordinary privilege to those who need a hand, whereas McCain proposes to deprive the bottom of the scale of relief so that the privileges of banksters can be entrenched.
It’s really quite simple. In late January, Obama will begin the difficult task of unravelling the mess that Bush, McCain, Gramm, Greenspan and their deregulatory fantasies visited upon America. Those people who are prattling on about birth certificates,Ayers, Wright, PUMA, Muslims, Palin’s Bridge to Nowhere, “McCain the Maverick” and the myriad other Republican talking points can go please themselves.
One last point. I very much doubt that “Bradley” voting will produce results at variance in any measurable way with polling. As my list above shows it seems plain enough that the bulk of Bradley voters will have had ample opportunity to find cover for their desire not to vote for an African American. It’s hard to understand how the Republicans could be as competitive on paper in the polls as they are unless Bradley voters are are already in his column.
It’s worth noting though that in Virginia alone, some 310,000 new voters have been added to the roles, the vast majority of them likely to be Democrats. The Obama GOTV acorss the country has been rigorous and comprehensive, as a look at the numbers in the primaries have shown. So those polls using “likely voters” are massively understating Obama’s probable support, because the 60% figures from 2004 and the low turnouts amongst young and African Americans are going to be massively exceeded this time around. In Florida alone, Obama has 150,000 boots on the ground, and massive funds to resource them, scope to carry out blanket advertising and so forth. Moreover, as the pollsters use mainly landlines, and 15% of Americans, especially amongst the young are cell phone only, the polling is greatly overstating the weight of less Democratic-friendly demographics.
In my opinion, the polls are probably understating Obama’s actual position by about 3-5%, meaning that the line ball states are really those where McCain is only 3-5% ahead. I strongly supect that as the McCain campaign continues to lose credibility, weak supporters will begin drifting away and either not bother voting or get caught up in the momentum for change, meaning that even states like Georgia won’t be safe. That rally of 100,000 in St Louis the other day, and the endorsement of Colin Powell of Obama, and his rationale for doing so make it very tough for McCain to hold the independents and with even “pro-life” conservatives like Chris Buckley putting aside their lifelong attachments to Republican rule, the only rationale for Palin — energising the core, seems to be melting away.
We are looking squarely at a generational defeat for the Republicans here, and given that they stole the last two presidential elections and dragged the country into a world of hurt, it’s just as well.

Obama will never be my president.
And there won’t be unity.
If Obama steals the election, prepare for 4 years of HELL from the Right.

NoObama
No Way.
He will not win. Mark my words.
America is wising up.

wow, if taxing the rich is bad for america, why don’t we just tax the working class and middle class MORE and give all the tax breaks to the RICH so they have even MORE money that may or may not be trickled down to us… i’m just sick of the the word ‘socialism’ being used whenever people try to stop the rich from enslaving the rest of us even more… what a bunch of fakes the rich are… i say tax the hell of of them and bring back the FLAT TAX so they pay the same percentage of their taxes that we do

Money is passed upwards through the economic strata. It doesn’t trickle down. It gets used by the upper class to fund golden parachutes and is put in tax shelters specifically designed to protect the rich, as well as is hidden offshore from the IRS. Spending starts at the bottom of the food chain and is passed upwards. The more that ordinary citizens prosper (and spend), the more business will prosper – not the other way around. This is a simple thing we should have all learned in the past 20 years or so. Bottom-up economics also makes the flames of capitalism burn more brightly due to increased competition.

Socialism is far from communism.
Also, people should know that is so-called ‘socialist countries’, for example in Europe, health care is free, universal (accessible to every citizen), and of high quality; and University tuition is so low that it can be considered free (200$ per semester, or so).
When the United States will have reached this point of ‘socialism’, you’ll call me. Meanwhile, don’t worry, despise any leaders’ efforts: the US will never be a socialist country.
Too bad Americans can’t have all the medical care they need, and affordable university to get their children educated and heading for good carriers.

Don’t worry Parasites,mooches and bums. If Obama gets elected he will give you a host to feed off I know you’ve been hungry the past 8 years.

Obama is full of it. Joe the Plumber was savaged by the media, AND Obama’s campaign, for simply existing. This is a man who was minding his own business, and Obama comes wandering along trying to pretend that he cares, with camera crew in tow, and enters Joe’s life. Joe himself said it best, he is being literally crucified for asking the candidate a tough question, that the media is afraid to ask.
Since then, we know more about Joe’s life, a private citizen, than we do about the secretive and corrupt Obama. Biden attacked Joe and said “he’s not evena real plumber”! Who cares! Joe had to defend himself and say he doesn’t need to be licensed, but what does that have to do with anything? Why does Joe have to defend anything?
the WSJ has already called Obama’s plan welfare, and “nonsense”. Do you honestly think that just 5% of the population will pay for Obama’s expensive spending plans? Do you really think these corporations and businesses will hang around? Loss of wages, loss of jobs. Don’t be fooled, this has been analyzed by the tax policy institute and the wall street journal. simply put, Obama’s plan is a disaster.
Do you really want criminals like Obama, Reid and Pelosi, determining what to do with the money that YOU worked for? Do you love Obama that much, that you will sacrifice your hard work, and personal responsibility for your family, for someone who doesn’t work as hard?
karl marx = socialism = Obama.
BTW, did you read the laughable editorial today that “socailist” simply is a code work for black? Do we hear a race card again? Yep, yet another valid criticism of Obama turned into an issue of race; Obama has taken Americans hostage folks, and the media just eats it up! Poor precious victim Obama. I suppose if the president of Iran calls Obama a wimp, Obama will cry race card too. Of course, Iran won’t care.

Hey Joe,
Get a life A$$HOLE, there’s REAL people with REAL Issues to contend with, NO ONE but a few HICKS and John McShame & Sara FAILin care what a LYING, TAX DODGING DRAMA BOY has to say. Barack Obama didn’t anything to you. If you want a BEEF with someone, then COME TALK TO ME! Because I’m calling you out as a PIECE OF GARBAGE! Happy NOW JOE?
I’m not hiding,,,LET’S TALK!

Wow everything about Palin just reeks of dirty moneygrabbing politics. Im sure the alaskans just love how Palin took $21 012 from the taxpayers and payed for trips and luxury hotels for her kids.
“The charges included costs for hotel and commercial flights for three daughters to join Palin to watch their father in a snowmobile race, and a trip to New York, where the governor attended a five-hour conference and stayed with 17-year-old Bristol for five days and four nights in a luxury hotel.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=6084575
Palin is not into politics to serve her state or country. She’s just mooching off the taxpayers to get ahead economically herself.

Barack Obama IS a U.S. citizen (seriously guys lay off the caffeine pills), here’s his birth certificate:
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:l42mPCDou7cJ:www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html+obama+birth+certificate&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Dont vorry people. This Obama guy will save us, and deliver us. Trust me.

It disturbs me to see Joe the Plumber with a “Buckeye” shirt on. He doesn’t speak for every Buckeye. He placed himself in this situation and didn’t consider his own unclean hands. How dare anyone question and critize when they have all this baggage themself? Joe’s a little lacking since he didn’t keep his head covered on a cold day and more left that head than just warmth.

I don’t believe it was a slipup by Biden.
I believe it is deliberate and an entrapment tactic to drag McCain and Palin to raise it up as an issue in their campaign messages. That is one reason why Biden did not address it.
I thought it was a stroke of genius by the Obama campaign to have Biden to talk about a crisis in an Obama Presidency.
Here is the Obama strategy:
1.Obama campaign knows Biden’s reputation for his foot in the mouth.
They have briefed him, and ensure the messages he need to speak out.Obama runs a tight ship. A very tight ship.
2.Having Biden talking about it to donors and then allowing the conversation to leak out.Biden is no fool not to know that what he says will come out.
3. It is arrogance to talk about an Obama presidency and what will happen. That is NOT the style of Obama and totally out of character of the strategist in the Obama camp.
4. The need to find a diversion to the economic issues… too much on the economy for the next two weeks have a downside — voters get bored, you have only so much to say for 14 days and there will be slipups on an issue that is Obama’s strength.
5. The issue they chose was foreign policy/national security… McCain’s strength.
6. If you notice, Biden was talking about the RESPONSE to the international crisis. Biden did NOT say how the Obama Presidency will respond.
7. The aim is to let McCain and Palin to take the bite on the issue raised by Biden. Let the media run it and let McCain and Palin to make a campaign issue.
8. Once McCain and Palin raised it too often in their rallies, voters, especially the independent voters, will start to compare who is best suited to respond to an international crisis? McCain or Obama.
9.Immediately, voters will be reminded of how McCain respond to the financial crisis, his erratic behaviour, his Angry-Old-Man persona during the Presidential debate, his impetuousness and irritability, impatience etc. While Obama had sold himself as a cool-hand, level headed, steadiness, tough and unruffled. Colin Powell best encapsulates that view.
10. Voters will ask themselves, who can I trust to RESPOND to a criss if there is one involving foreign leaders and protecting our national security?
11.If McCain and Palin pushed this issue further, Obama campaign or its surrogates will hurl it back on McCain and Palin (who has zero foreign policy experience.. reminding voters of McCain’s behaviour and response to the financial crisis and his attitudes to his opponents. Not forgetting that Biden himself is a foreign policy oldhand. Palin is not.
I thought it was a brilliant move by the Obama campaign with only 14 days to go.
Whoever thought this out is a real genious!!! Hats off.

obama does not know what to do when he gets cornered, that is why he distort the issue. how many times thus obama distort every issue that was raise against him? he is very good at painting it as he was the victim. obama is a very clever politician, a good lawyer, trained by the chicago hoodlooms. what else can we expect from him if he wins? the good future of american are in the people’s hand.

Dear True American:
I guess the cops at the police station missed the message, because an officer was killed. I guess the judge whose family was attacked also missed the message.
From CNN’s 10/16 coverage of McCain’s “robocalls” about Ayers:
“The only deaths positively attributed to Weathermen bombs were three members of the group itself who were killed when a bomb they were working on exploded prematurely. The Weathermen, along with the Black Panther organization, were investigated for another bombing that killed a San Francisco police officer, but that bombing remains unsolved.”
As I said, I don’t condone any of this. But killing people was clearly not Ayer’s intent, and the aforementioned investigations were two of many which surrounded the bombing in San Francisco.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/16/mccain.robocalls/?iref=hpmostpop

Obama and Biden asked a simple question:
Do you know any plumbers that make $250k/year?
That’s the exent of it. That’s what John McCain calls “mocking”
Obama and Biden were simply asking people to look behind McCain’s curtain, and see that the whole JTP gimmick is another GOP mirage.
As for the charge of making him famous, and causing the media circus? Clearly JTP would have been long forgotten after his very civil encounter with Obama if McCain hadn’t brought it up in the debate. The responsilbilty for this is all on McCain.

I’m amazed by the lack of intellect I have observed on this board!!! Please apply your common sense, does anyone really think that Obama would risk everything he has achieved in life ( i.e his years in the senate, his public poistions etc) by running for the most powerful positon in the world with a forged birth certificate? Or without authentic citizenship?? You forget Obama was a CONSTITUTIONAL lawyer and therein lies his dormain! He knows the constituition like the plam of his hand ahd he would not risk a public humiliation by running for president if he weren’t an american citizen!! He knew his records and everything about him would be scrtuzied particularly as he is African American and there’s is so much divison in this country! He is actuall INTELLIGENT (unlike John McCain how graduted 5th from bottom). Obama would not throw his entire career down the drain by exposing himself to public scrutiny if he didn’t satisfy all the necessary requirments and he wouldn’t even be a senator either!

Powell endores Obama and he is now he is officially ready to be the leader of the free world. one problem , this is the same person that sold the Iraq war to the UN in 2002. Barack’s key point in this election race has been his opposition to the war. That would be from the sidelines because he was not a voting member of the US Senate in 2002. Powell did not finish the job in 1992 tried again in 2002 failed under his leadership and now wants to endorse a candidate that would further endanger our country by sitting down with Iran. Read the Wall Street journal piece today, IRAN has preconditions for sitting down with the US, but not Obama. His VP candidate warned of an attack early on in his Presidency to test him. Can we afford this TEST!
Another note, the broken parts of this country were not McCain so I do not think he will be calling me any names. The broken parts are the economy and excessive taxes do not stimulate growth. Money like gravity does not trickle up it flows down.

This is precisely how President Osama would assault the lowest earning workers in our country….turn them into dependents of his handouts, keep them where he needs them…brilliant policy of the Junior Senator from Illinois…
A message to the Kool-Aid drunk Obama Nation (hereafter KADON)
KADON, I think that you might be able to grasp the idea that few earn over $250,000 without a little help, a little help from, well, employees. Now, for simplicity, lets refer to those as employers, whether they be rich individuals or corporations. Enterprises run by employers, KADON, may well, not be the only supplier of the products/services they offer. They may well compete against many suppliers, even some from abroad, even some from abroad having certain cost advantages. These cost advantages, KADON, could be wages, raw material prices or, they could be tax expenses. That is right taxes are expenses, to employers, wealthy or not. Now, lets think about those U.S. corporations that are fighting for their life (please read this also to be fighting for the existence of the jobs that they offer, to employees, in the U.S.). Many corporations maintain physical presence in both the U.S. and the abroad. Now, hypothetically, if, their operations in the U.S. face an 80% tax rate on profits, while their Malaysian operations face only a 15% tax rate, then do you see, how it makes economic sense, for the employer, to think it is likely a very good decision to move operations from Ohio to Malaysia? Now, it will be more subtle, the tax rates aren’t nearly as different, but they are different. Then, they might just stop hiring in Ohio and hire only in Malaysia. In any case, there are some in Ohio who might either be laid off or not hired.
Regardless, even though your dear candidate will offer 95% of all Americans a lower tax rate, those laid off because their rich employer had to shift jobs overseas, still have no job. They’ll be baffled 3 years from now. Maybe they’ll say, I should have said thanks, but no thanks Senator on that tax plan to nowhere.
So KADON, understand this simple lesson. The wealthy employ. If changes occur to the cost structure in their operations, including tax expenses, they will be incented to react, if they don’t they may find themselves at a cost advantage sufficient to erode their economic viability on a permanent basis, or at least until they cease to exist, in which case, nobody has a paycheck from them.
Ok, rich American corporations, lets assume that our above corporation is not struggling, lets say that it is called Exxon. Well, KADON, Exxon produces some energy in America, using American employees to do so. America is not a cheap place to produce energy. What, do you think Exxon will do, when President Obamba raises, as he likes to say so often, taxes on corporations that export jobs overseas? You got it! They’ll divest (reads: send to the unemployment lines) their American energy production operations.
This is an important concept, about wealth redistribution, that I want you to grasp KADON. When President Obama puts millions of Americans, formerly employed by ‘wealthy corporations that export jobs overseas’, onto the unemployment line, they will not, unless Ms. Pelosi redistributes wealth and gives them a nice fat Socialist welfare check, have any money to buy the goods and services offered by all small businesses, including those that the young Senator claims he will not tax additionally. Small business owners will be baffled too. “President Obama, thanks for not taxing my income additionally, thanks for going after the evil rich, but, my profit is nowhere near $232k, as it was before you took office, it is $104k, what happened? I drank the Kook-aid! I promise I did. I had to lay off 2 employees because demand is so weak for my products, because so many corporate types have been laid off and have no money to buy my products. I feel like a wealthy employer, please help”…
Is it sinking in?
One final thing, I hate to burst the bubble of all of you out there that have drank Mr. Obama’s Kool-aid, but when he says “tax cuts for employers that export jobs overseas”, he isn’t really referring to Republican led legislation that actually instructed the IRS to give a tax credit to all corporations that actually did export jobs. What he is really referring to is Republican led legislation that incented corporations to not export jobs, by giving them a tax cut, but, even though the tax cuts were given, jobs were still exported, because the tax cuts weren’t sufficient, for some, to allow them to maintain their U.S. employment. This is yet another aspect that Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, MSNBC, etc. have failed to present to the American public. Shame on them!
I hope that this helps you all with your future pOstings, here and elsewhere.

McCain gave Joe the Plumber his coming-out party in the last debate. Please watch a video of the debate to see how often McCain brought Joe into the discussions — it certainly WAS NOT Obama. Obama played along, but Joe was very obviously NOT part of Obama’s prepared remarks for that debate and he was part of McCain’s plan. McCain & Palin have been honking that horn since the debate. Don’t blame Obama for publicizing Mr. Wurzelbacher & don’t blame Obama for the journalists who are doing their homeword. There must be a month-long full moon this October b/c lunacy abounds.

Obama’s tax proposal is to revert those making over $250,000 back to the percentage they were paying under Bill Clinton. And that alone is supposed to pay for massive increases in government spending, new programs, and even $1,000 “tax credits” for the 40% of us who pay $0 taxes.
How exactly is that going to work? Clinton presided over a booming economy fueled by the dot.com boom. It was one of the most prosperous times in our nation’s history.
Things aren’t so good economically now, and few have escaped having their income or assets affected. Yet, we’re to believe that just a 3% increase in taxes for the wealthiest of us will make everything better.
All of us paid more in taxes under Bill Clinton. Bush gave every taxpayer a cut. In order to finance Obama’s largesse, we’ll all have to pay more – and then some.
Democrat Barney Frank summed it up best when he said, “Forget deficits, we need to increase spending now!” That’s the kind of Democratic sound thinking that brought us the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac mess!

apparently Obama’s plan is to ultimately have one class, POOR. The government will not stop until we are all dependent on it. we have both political parties to blame. If we keep voting for the lesser of 2 evil’s and not demand that they reign in spending and start working for the people, we deserve what we get. sometimes you have to tell your kids no. we need to tell the government no. Tax only spending and stay out of my earnings (property)

First we mock Joe the plummer, then we say no that’s not true, next we take from the rich and give to the poor, but that’s called redistribution. So eventualy we all be equally poor, standing in the unemployment line.

Obama is a Communist posing as an elitist. Only Communists hide their true intentions.
Like or hate McCain and Palin, at least we know about them. Why is the media afraid to tell us about Obama?
That alone should worry you.

Andy : That alone should worry you (Obama is a Communist posing as an elitist).
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come on. dont stuck up on the 20th C idea that your idol McSame fear mongering type of campaign.
the world is watching. our beloved country is still the envy of democratic nations, and they still looking for us to lead in the 21st C. Obama’s positive campaign makes me proud american.
change is inevitable.
were voting for OBAMA / BIDEN 2008 !!

Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae mess – all democratic baby!!! Do you homework..
I want to know about Obama, not just the postitive spouting the media does??

The DSA,(Democratic Socialist of America) is real and obama attened and sponsored their New Ground meeting in 1996

Reading these comments I now know why some people are voting and will vote for Obama. They repeat the MSM same old/same old talking points because they are too lazy to look up the truth. Obama said to the crowd that he didn’t know of any plumber making $250,000. Well, from my experience they do. And, is he saying that it’s impossible for plumbers to achieve that goal? You know if Obama becomes president, these same followers will give him credit for the surge, which he voted against, and anything else that was good in these 8 years. Pathetic!

Joe is not a plumber!! Obama has every right to attack Joe’s character due to him illegaly practicing a trade without being license. Why are people basing the election on a man who has lied about what he does for a living? I am the wife of a licensed plumber. My husband has been laid off since our infant son was born 6 weeks ago. Everyday I watch him struggling to find employment. The reason why my husband cannot find employment because men like “Joe” call themselves plumbers and take the jobs from him and many other licensed plumbers. I don’t care about “Joe the Liar” I care about who is going to better our country and our economy, and that person is Barack Obama.

All Obama is doing with the rich folks taxes is returning them to the same level as those of the Clinton years. Why is that Socialism? The economy was pretty good during the Clinton years.
Even McCain himself a few years ago denounced the Bush tax cuts as irresponsible. Why is he now calling his own stance on this socialistic? Flip-floppin’ again! In a video posted on his Web site, McCain says, “The last eight years haven’t worked very well, have they?” Well, then why is he planning to follow Bush’s failed policies? Is it because corporate lobbyists are literally running his campaign?
He wants to cut taxes on the wealthiest even MORE. He wants to TAX health care benefits. He wants to continue spending $10 Billion a month in Iraq ad infinitum, when our economy is bleeding.
Trickle down economics hasn’t worked. Under Bush, the richer a corp or person was, the bigger the tax cut. The corporations that got the cuts increased the salaries of CEO’s and sent American jobs abroad. Employment is the lowest in 6 years. The economy tanked. Our national debt is $10 TRILLION. And what do the Repubs want to do? Give a TRILLION dollars to the rich corporate CEOs and bankers to bail out their failed businesses, using YOURS AND MY MONEY. That TRILLION dollars is gone, baby gone. Into the pockets of the rich folks. You know what the Republican Neocons really want. It is more money in their pockets and the pockets of their cronies and corporate lobbyists. The lobbyists are running John McCain’s campaign. They are using Joe the Plumber to YANK YOUR CHAIN. Don’t fall for it.

“Joe the Plumber” is the biggest joke of many that I hae seen come from the McCain campaign. Not to even mention that everything that this guy is supposed to stand for is a complete fallicy, no license, back taxes, etc., now having hired a publicist and holding press confrences, claiming Obama will single-handedly abolish Isreal…are you kidding me? His sheer ignorance and lack of understanding core issues is almost as baffling as Palin’s. I just heard a phone interview he gave with CNN, and anytime the validity of his arguments are questioned he goes on a childish tirade, as if he is supposed to have more understanding of issues than those that relvolve their entire career studying them. If this fool is supposes to represent your average American, my goodness we are all doomed. GO HOME JOE THE MORON!