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Clearly Obama is the better candidate.
It just baffles me to try to understand what on earth is appealing to McCain’s supporters? He seems to care more about businesses than people. Granted, companies supply jobs – but since (obviously) not everyone can own a business wouldn’t it make more sense care more about the masses?
And whenever he brings up how businesses in the U.S. (are suppose to) pay 35% in taxes – JUST ONCE I’d like to hear him admit how they pay much less through LOOP HOLES and how he plans on stopping that!

Obama did his homework first before
he decided to be one of the candidates.
He realised before hand that something is wrong somewhere and must be CHANGED.
He has a vision and he sees more far than most of us can imagine of.

People are voting for McCain because they are smarter than the useful idiots voting for Obama and they see thru the hype.
Obama’s Tax Advertisement misleadingly quotes a Heritage Foundation Analyst: “…the middle class would likely pay less under Mr. Obama’s plan…” So what’s REALLY on either side of those dots?
The Summary:
Through the lens of sound tax policy, both McCain’s and Obama’s tax plans would leave the tax code more complicated than it is today. Even so, McCain’s plan has important advantages through its focus on keeping tax rates low–and lowering them further in some instances–while improving incentives for investment and correcting an extremely harmful tax distortion at the heart of much of the trouble in America’s health care financing system.
In contrast, the Obama plan raises income tax rates, raises payroll taxes on a delayed basis, and actively increases the use of the tax system to redistribute income to those who pay little or no income tax. Each of these aspects move the tax code in a decidedly inappropriate direction.
On balance, the McCain plan would be decidedly better for economic growth, largely because it would lower tax rates while the Obama plan would raise tax rates. Under the McCain tax plan, the economy would be expected to be about $320 billion greater, and average household income about $2,600 higher than would be the case under the Obama tax plan.
Read the full article:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm2101.cfm

“what on earth is appealing to McCain’s supporters”
I would rather have a mediocre president then one that believes our constitution is “fundamentally flawed” and wants to “fundamentally change” our country.
I’m sorry, but our country isn’t fundamentally broken. It has its ups and downs but no need to turn it into Cuba just because the stock market is down.
http://www.middleofright.com/2008/11/why-barack-obama-is-wrong-for-our.html

Marie – in case you weren’t aware we already have local police and the FBI.
What reasons do you think we need another force that would need to be as powerful as the most powerful military in human history?
Do you honestly think an organization like the FBI needs an aircraft carrier and strike planes? Who would he wield them against?

I have a family to support. The Republicans have done two things for me in the last eight years, Jack and Squat. I can’t afford to vote for John McCain.

What really bother me is people like Marie just followed BLINDLY without really understand WHAT Obama is saying.
Let me give you some hints:
1. “Spread the wealth around”
2. He mentioned “Socialistic” when talking about his tax plan
3. Don’t forget “communism” that he also alluded to (aka Frank Marshall Davis as his mentor)
4. Louis Farrakhan said/claimed that Obama is their mersiah to rescue them
5. The OLD saying you are WHAT companies you keep. Have you seen his companies?
Now, if you are still baffling, go take your meds and think about it.

If you want a few reasons to vote for / against Obama I’ve written my thoughts on it: http://www.middleofright.com/2008/10/top-reasons-to-vote-for-obama.html
“it should goto middle class people, people making under $150,000 a year” Joe Biden
He corrected himself in that same speech.
”I don’t regret setting bombs,’I feel we didn’t do enough.” Bill Ayers 9/11/2001
“I had a thousand regrets, but no regrets for opposing the war with every ounce of my strength. I told her that in light of the indiscriminate murder of millions of Vietnamese, we showed remarkable restraint, and that while we tried to sound a piercing alarm in those years, in fact we didn’t do enough to stop the war.” —-No mention of bombs.
Rashid Khalidi – Former Spokesman for the Palestinian Liberation Organization
A board that McCain sat on funded this same person.
There is no indiciation where those quotes were pulled from. Secondly, I in no way shape or form agree with what Ayers did but at least factual info should be posted.

Jwench – sorry Biden did not correct himself in the same speech.
Ahh so you post his justification in response but you don’t really believe it. I see. Since we’re bringing up Vietnam I guess you were ok with the fall of Saigon and the millions of South Vietnamese that were slaughtered because people like Ayers let us abandon them?
“A board that McCain sat on funded this same person.”
Which is obviously identical to being close friends to the point where he babysits your kids and you attend dinners where they bash Isreal.

Marie – the TSA? Are you serious?
Did you expect FBI agents to go through your suitcase at the airport?

Here is where Obama slams our constitution.. sorry I didn’t provide a link. I just assumed that people who spend all their time defending Obama already knew about it.
http://www.middleofright.com/2008/10/three-reasons-to-vote-for-mccain.html

Michael,
Of course I don’t expect the FBI to do that… and so you see the point! I believe that’s exactly what Obama was referring to in that video.
Do you have a problem with the TSA?? Do you see a NEED for that right here on our soil? Or do you think the military should be doing it? I’m curious… sincerely.

Marie – I’m ok with the TSA. What does that have to do with creating a civilian military force with as much funding and force as our military?
You realize we spend 1 TRILLION dollars annually on defense?
That money makes us a military superpower able to take out any military on the face of the planet..
Why would we need to duplicate that for internal control?

Change the culture? You’ve got to be kidding! Obama is exactly what is wrong with the culture in Washington as he was in Chicago. Campaign contributions for voting the “right way” making noise and getting Government bailouts to fund special interest,(his interest) looking out after your friends by getting them in on building projects such as Rezco and those slum houses in Chicago and last but not least slamming lobbyist at every chance when the guy running his campaign has to be one of the biggest in the US.
Finally, did I mention the rough and tough world of Chicago politics where friends and enemies are treated like dogs and thrown under the bus when standing in the way of the Obama express?
This is not the Obama I thought I knew.

“One thing that baffles me – is how most McCain supporters (who make the same claims you just did) would say they are Christians – and yet maintain an attitude that says, “Every man for himself and God for us all.” I can’t believe it!!
I live in Houston – and let me tell you “Voter in America” – after Hurricane Ike hit, I was THRILLED to see people come together and help one another. Nothing else really mattered because we were ALL in the same boat!! (It’s just a shame people only tend to do that during a catastrophe). ”
Marie,
Let’s sort this out SLOWLY.
1. I am VERY much a CHRISTIAN and MORE than WILLING to help a fellow citizen in need (I have been doing this for years through our charitable org).
2. I did NOT say that EVERY man for himself. I said the Gov’t is NOT your solution. You are responsible for your family.
3. When Ike hit Texas coast, we mobilized our people to help. As in ONE helps anothers since we KNOW that the Gov’t is SLOW in response.
WHAT you and I seem to be DIFFERENT is Obama’s policy.
He offers the SOCIALIST ideology and you AGREE with him. On the other hand, I like to keep it CAPITALISTIC belief.
It has NO bearing on WHETHER or NOT One American will help ANOTHER American in need. You are CERTAINLY missed my point.

Marie – I think your expectations on what a socialist government can do are a little absurd.
Do you think Obama will send people out to spend time with your elderly neighbors?
Do you think they will spend time with your kids instead of them playing XBox?
As for American’s not giving – give me a break. We are the most charitable people on the earth.
See here for details:
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4854
Regardless of how the left tries to tear down the people of this country it ddoesn’t change the fact that Americans are by far the most caring and compassionate on the planet. We don’t need Obama telling us that we are selfish to give him our money.

Posted by: Michael | Nov 2, 2008 8:37:56 AM
Spin it however you want. That is what Republicans do. McCain helped to fund that same person. I don’t get the double standard with you people.
You have no clue what is on that tape, so how can you pass judgment on it. You are all a bunch of hypocrites. McCain has unsavory connections as well, but you and the other parrots choose to ignore those.

well said voter in america….

could we all just agree on one thing? BOTH PARTIES LIE. could i see how many in here can actually agree with me? BOTH PARTIES LIE, MANIPULATE, STRETCH THE TRUTH, ETC, ETC. please people, quit acting like “your” party dosent do these things!!!!!!

Michael–
I *am* a cop and I think a civilian security force is a splendid idea. Instead of looking at the benefits of such a group you see nothing but conspiracies. Take your medications and go back to bed. You need the rest.

im just going to ask a very general question to the obama supporters in here: do you like the idea of the government being in control of ur health care and briefly tell me why?

Despite all Obama’s lofty rhedoric and promises, the guy has zero executive and very little legislative experience. Anyone who has high hopes for the next four years will be disappointed. We can all hope for the best, but that’s what it is, hope, not confidence.

Voter in American,
“Capitalism” divides. And I didn’t say YOU said, “Every man for himself…” I said that seems to be the attitude of Republicans – and it contradicts Christian principle.
And the examples I gave (in regards to helping elderly neighbors, and being examples to our kids) centered around incorporating helping others in DAILY living! Not every so often… and that, “Voter In America” – is something most American’s don’t do.

I too believe that Obama doesn’t respect the Constitution. There is ample evidence with regaurds to the Second Amendment. An amendment which he would love to completely abolish. The only amendment which really protects we the people from government and makes our government fear us. Which was the amendments sole intention per the authors which wrote it.

Deputy_Bob,
Just a question.
Why would you think a civilian security force is a splendid idea?
Isn’t that your “job” to provide security for the people unless you aren’t doing your “job” then you would need someone else to do it for you.

Isn’t that your “job” to provide security for the people unless you aren’t doing your “job” then you would need someone else to do it for you.
Posted by: Voter In America | Nov 2, 2008 9:16:04 AM
If you think about it, with our military spread so thin, who is left to protect the US on our soil.

Isn’t Obama really saying that we should expand the National Guard? We are foolish to have eliminated the military as such and closed all the bases. What country does not have an active military? And you can readily see where that elimination has gotten us today.
On another thought, just where is PETA when you need them? Do you suppose that because they have not targeted Palin and her Moose killing ways that they are all Republicans? WHOA!

“Powerful” is a metaphorical term, Michael. He doesn’t imply they’ll be equipped with Hellfire missles and the like. Think of trained eyes and ears on the streets, something true law enforcement officers would love to have on their side. Think of what our “government”–Republicans, Democrats, and all who stood together in a moment of unprecedented solidarity immediately following 9/11–asked the citizenry to do. They asked us to keep vigilant, they promised us they’d beef up border crossings, nuclear plants, ports; and they asked us to do our part. But instead of seeing just how “powerful” eyes and ears are, you’re running a conspiracy campaign to stoke fear. Again…I’m a cop and I can tell you we need far better security against drugs, illegal prescription medications of dubious quality brought in from third-world countries, and God knows what else that are smuggled in from freighters from all over the world. Government can’t do it alone and to employ additional help–which increases pride among citizens among other benefits–is an idea that could be put to use. Could there be “bad apples” that join such a force? Of course…such a force is but a microcosm of the population as a whole, but we could use the overwhelming talent many Americans of all walks of life could bring to the table. But somehow, in your mind, it’s all negative because Obama is going to use it to take over the world and take away your guns, and blah, blah, blah. Do you realize how paranoid you sound?

Voter in America,
I’m not debating the BAD in McCain… I’m debating his logic and attitude. And if that seems BAD – well then maybe it’s because it is.
I deduce that he seems to care more about corporations than he does the masses/the people?

Deputy Bob
All that blah, blah, blah is serious if you look at how Obama voted and listen to what he has said about the subject.

Michael,
It has nothing to do with that! (However, it is funny to me that out of all which I spoke about – you only focused on the Black, White and Asian portion…)
The point was on Capitalism – and how it divides. Our country IS SOOOO divided and money (and an attitude of privilege)is the cause of it! “For the love of money IS THE ROOT of all evil”

Here’s what Obama will do for you.
1. Flip Flop on promised tax cut like Clinton also promised because the economy is in crisis.
2. Raise capital gains taxes which will also impact the profit you make on your home should it sell in this bad economy, right now there is no tax unless it is over 500k if married.
3. Raise social security taxes you pay in from your paycheck and your employer matches, hurting business’s.
4. Raise the Estate taxes so you don’t get to keep ALL your inheritance.
5. Spend, spend, spend which will increase the deficit.
6. Higher taxes for business’s which will force lay off’s to offset them or send jobs overseas.
7. Pull out of Iraq before they can take care of themselves and sitting down with terrorists without pre-conditions.
8. Spread the wealth, give welfare checks to those that do not pay federal income tax from those that work hard for their money, taking away the american dream of prosperity.
9. Take your 2nd amendment rights away, the right to bear arms.
10. Socialized medicine, basically a cattle call with no choice of qualified or experienced doctors.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. If you don’t like McCain sometimes you have to choose who will do the least harm to America.

Michael,
Yes – corporations employ people, but the ratio of focus and concern can’t be 70/30! And that’s what McCain’s focus seems to be to me.
He cares about businesses 70% and people/employees 30%.

Reinventing the wheel? Hardly…the wheel works. Our “war on drugs” and other money pits do not. We need to try something new.
But hey…I’m obviously not going to convince any of you conspiracy theorists of anything here. I guess trying something new isn’t easy for some people–like my 98-year-old grandmother who’s had the same pictures on her walls, the same wallpaper, and the same carpeting–which is literally rotting away–for the past four decades. Nope. Change is bad.
Whatever…

Marie,
Since you revealed two things based on your posts.
First, you are BLACK.
Second, you are CHRISTIAN.
If you vote/support Obama because of his race, then I really feel bad for you.(Judge the man by the contents his characters, not by his color (MLK))
If you vote/support Obama as a Christian, then I am really disappointed in you.(Life is sanctity, abortion is AGAINST God’s wills)
“I deduce that he seems to care more about corporations than he does the masses/the people?”
About McCain for corporations than for people. Well, you see we live in the country where corporations create jobs for the people. That’s the incentive. You can be a corporation if you want to. a small business is a corporation, mom and pop deli is a corporation as long as they are creating jobs for the people to work and enjoy the fruits of their labor. Isn’t that America is all about?

If McCain and Palin obtain the top job of this land they will be the best uniters ever. They will bring people of very different political persuasions together and give cause to unite in a common effort. There will be places where large numbers of Americans gather together as one. Places such as unemployment offices, pawn shops, consignment shops and soup lines. But don’t concern yourself if you are rich, you won’t have to pay any taxes and may even receive government subsidies. Smucks like us on SS and families making less than 250 grand a year will bear that obligation.

“don’t you know that the effects of capitalism is a “class” system?? That’s all this nation has ever been”
Right, that is why the people from the “classless society” of Cuba risk their lives crossing 90 miles in the Atlantic to get here.

Oh my gosh, give me a break.
I’ll tell, I didn’t vote for Obama because he was Black (a statement I sincerely detest!) any more than I voted for Bush 4 years ago because he was White.
But I’ll tell you what though – I’ll never vote for someone because of how they stand on JUST ONE ISSUE ever again (as I did with BUSH 4 years ago because of his stance on abortion!). I’ll never do that again.

Marie…
you want to know what makes McCain appealing…not a lot…with the possible exceptions as follows:
1. Obama has been in the Senate two years and voted “present” or “here” one time too many…one time is too many. What’s wrong with voting a straight yes or no? Is that not what he was sent to the Senate for…to represent the people who elected him? Do they like non-committal votes?
2. Obama and his campaign are setting him up as the new Messiah who will change the world…Sorry, the Messiah “ain’t” him and I have a BIG problem with his Christianity if he keeps this up. He, unfortunately reminds me of Svengali or Nicolae.
3. His past and present associations are blatant Marxist/Communist and a lot of people around the world died trying to stop the spread of Communism. Communism is only another form of dictatorship with no real “spreading of the wealth”.
4. Too much secretiveness on Obama’s part. Why? Why not release college papers, grades, work history? Is not what’s good for one candidate, good for the other? What happened in the 20+ years for which he has not accounted? Does he have something to hide? As a candidate running for the office of President of the USA, nothing about his schooling, work history, associations (to whom does he owe his alligiance), finances(is he a wise steward) (not his wife’s if separate)should be open to view. These are things that go into the process of making a wise choice for the job of President.
5. How could he associate with people who have praised the killer of Robert Kennedy? Why do the Kennedy’s continue to endorse him? Can the Kennedy’s not admit mistakes and change directions? I would think the Kennedy family would change their endorsement. YES, you are know by the company you keep.
6. Obama wants to have his own military force…WHY? Would that be Constitutional? Oh, I forgot, he wants to change the Constitution and appoint judges who will use other countries laws to make judgments. How can he then stand (if he wins) and truthfully say he will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution? There are a lot of things that need changing, but the Constitution is not one of them. Just apply it as it was intended. The two areas that needed changing have been changed…no slavery and granting all people access to the privilege of voting.
7. What has his past experience shown as to his qualifications to run this Country? I still like to call the USA the greatest nation in the world, even with all it’s warts? He talks a good game and looks like a movie star, but his walk and his talk do not match.

LANNY EDWARDS
“But don’t concern yourself if you are rich, you won’t have to pay any taxes and may even receive government subsidies. Smucks like us on SS and families making less than 250 grand a year will bear that obligation.”
Are you saying that rich people don’t pay taxes?
Obama’s plan changed from 250,000 to 200,000 to 150,000 to 120,000 to 42,000.
So basically, we all will bear the tax burden.
I am NOT rich by any measure but I pay my share of taxes.
However, there is 40% pay NO taxes.
That leaves 60% to pay taxes.
I belong to that 60% category and I pay taxes to sustain the gov’t.
BTW, if you are on SS and making less 250,000 you are doing very WELL.

Carrot,
The numbers of years a person holds in a position does not equate to “competency” (as is evident in McCain’s campaign and Bush’s terms in office). Obama’s accomplishments in school and community prove his competence.
As for his voting “present” – do you understand what they do with those bills in the Senate and Congress? They put on so many caveats and additions (as was evidenced in the Bailout Bill with those wooden arrows, for example) that it’s not impossible to understand why he would do that.
Also, whenever talking about associations I can’t help but think about those nasty (and costly) one’s he had early on in his career (Keating), not to mention his infidelity record, NOT TO MENTION McCain’s father’s influence and connections in the political areana as well. His family has age old ties that Heaven only knows what dirt is attached to it. Also, didn’t he give a large amount of money to the most recent guy (Kahlide?) they’re trying to connect Obama to?

Voter in America:
My comment was an exaggerated point, something similar to Palin and McCain infomercials, only my comment had a ring of truth to it. Lighten up a little. Have yourself a nice day.

LANNY EDWARDS,
You, too! Smuckaroo!

And before you “go there” – that’s just an expression… I’m not calling either candidate evil.

Voter in America,
Compromise (as defined in Merriam-Webster) is:
a settlement of differences by arbitration or by consent reached by mutual concessions.
I have not done that! I have not “consented” and changed my views on abortion!
Also, I am intelligent enough to know that we live in a democracy and how ONE PERSON stands on one issue does not make it law!

Half of America beleive that Obama has use
mind control sees it as an intensified and persistent use of well researched social psychology principles like compliance, conformity, persuasion, dissonance, reactance, framing or emotional manipulation.
“Mind control is the process by which individual or collective freedom of choice and action is compromised by agents or agencies that modify or distort perception, motivation, affect, cognition and/or behavioral outcomes. It is neither magical nor mystical, but a process that involves a set of basic social psychological principles.”
mind control is possible through the covert exploitation of the unconscious rules that underlie and facilitate healthy human
social interactions. He states that common social rules can be used to prey upon the unwary, and he titles them as follows,
Reciprocation: The Old Give and Take…and Take
Commitment and Consistency: Hobgoblins of the Mind
Social Proof: Truths Are Us
Liking: The Friendly Thief
Authority: Directed Deference
Scarcity: The Rule of the Few
This is much different and far less devastating than that which you are able to achieve with the improvements of coercive persuasion. With coercive persuasion you can change people’s attitudes without their knowledge and volition. You can create new “attitudes” where they will do things willingly which they formerly may have detested, things which previously only torture, physical pain, or drugs could have coerced them to do.
Just Words No, Words can be used as a powerful tool to unsuspecting people.
Charismatic Speeches, Propaganda, Catch phrases and slogans, Staged shows and gatherings, Constant Intense Advertising via every means possible to man.
Well Defined program, step by step, Planned out and implemented. High tense Constant stimuli. Conformity to the cause. Unsuspecting crowd, people unaware of the mind changing effects on them.
Most will not be able to admit they were had, or used. many never realizing.
Take some time, Reflect back over your life. You Family, your beliefs you grew up with. Gain back the rationalization of being able to make clear decisions on what you have known, not what you have been lead to beleive.
Mr Obama can not keep up the Billion Dollar Campaign. The Money will run out and his ability to market himself and advertise will cease.
He all ready is planning how he will let you down, with out you crashing out, going from euphirua to despair.
Shows He knows he can not and probably never was going to be able to give you those Glorious Promises and Better life he promised you.
He pumped you up, Played your feelings and thoughts to get you to vote for him.
For his reasons, not yours.
It is Ok to say NO, It is OK to get upset with him.
I know I am, he used me and tried to take advantage of me. he spent a billion dollars selling himself as something he is not, and play my mind and confuse me. With those Constant ads and
I have Rights, Freedoms and my free will and it does not belong to him.
He is an uncaring, Egotistical, self centered person.
I am an American who will not be used, exploited or abused.

More of Obama’s craziness is slipping out. Obama, says his plan will bankrupt coal plants across the country. What is this man thinking? Honestly, his plan will put thousands of people across coal producing states (PA and VA specificall) out of a job in the name of Al Gore’s “global warming” hoax. This insanity has to be stopped!
http://www.middleofright.com/2008/11/obama-says-he-will-bankrupt-coal.html

Go McCain / Palin 08 ! I have hope that they will win. Obama is the worst thing that could happen to this country! Be scared people! If Obama wins, God help us all!!!
FOR MCCAIN ALL THE WAY!! NO BULL!

After all the emails, ads, speeches, and so on, the obvious choice? Ron Paul. McCain would be satisfactory. Obama, not the man many think him to be. I am proud to be a citizen of these United States during all of my 47 years. I salute my flag in respect to those who serve our country and have served our country. Our country will struggle until we are more than Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and whatever else. Be Americans first! Cross party lines, be who the people elected you to be and not just a puppet that goes where the money is or follows where it leads you. God Bless America.

Why don’t Obama do something about the economy? It’s been a month now and things are still bad. I need some cash, man. I mean, he fixed gas prices, ok, but other things are still bad, you know what I’m sayin? What is he doing up there? Come on, bro!