Election Over, Ayers, Wright & Farrakhan Emerge

Hey, Ron Radosh, jealous much?
Heh

Thank God they had the self control and selflessness to not allow themselves to be continually used as weapons against Barack.If the media really cared they would have played the entire sermon where Jeremiah was quoting a white man in that piece that Barack’s advesaries used to try and stop his campaign.

Another thing. Black men are complex because of the world we live in, the struggles we’ve endured and to be more specific, because of the expectations from others.

As a POW McCain collaborated
with the North Vietnamese
for five years. The classified
information he divulged helped
them shoot down more planes
with greater accuracy.

The Rev Wrights famous comments,William Ayers actions, and the sick perverted views of Farrkhan are not acceptable under any circumstances.
They are not any more acceptable now than they were before the election.
What is ironic to me is that all of these evil men have 10 x’s more money than any of you who find them acceptable. The Rev has a 10 million dollar line of credit. That church must not have anyone who won’t have to pay more taxes under the Obama tax plan.

I forced myself to watch the entire Wright sermon, and I didn’t feel any better about than I did after seeing the snippet. As for Ayers, I think he’s more interestedin indoctrination than education, or as he put it in Venezuela, “Education is the motor force of revolution.”

What’s up with the media bashing? Are the citizens of this country too lazy or immature to double check the facts? Apparently both sides are satisfied with the sound bites that American media serves them without taking the few minutes to research the information and think for themselves. Farrahkan, Wright, and Ayers are American heros. They dared to speak out against injustice, and are willing to fight against it. At best, most Americans politely demure and wait for someone else to tackle the issues, and deliver a sound bite. Then all they have left to do is parrot it back in “water cooler” conversation and pretend that they’re passionate about it. Pathetic.

Interesting that Ayers doesn’t refute the charge that he had a fundraiser for Obama at his house nor is it even asked if Obama was there.

Each of these men have been significant in what they have contributed to our society. In the Vietnam era it was the voices of loud protests, including mothers of draft age sons, taking to the streets and screaming “No More”. Other protesters used various means to get heard as did Ayers and the Weathermen. All of those protests including Ayers made a difference and ultimately, of course, the U.S.pulled out of Vietnam, because the people would not stand for it any more (much like now).
Although I am less familiar with Wright’s and Farakahn’s contributions, it is obvious that both the long ministry of Wright devoted to his community and the work of Farakahn to unite a fractured African-American community are both admirable.
It is good that they can come forth now and speak their minds about Obama’s victory. It was also wise that they did not come out before (that was good judgment).

Reverend Wright’s rants are
no big deal. It is not illegal
to fulminate against slavery,
discrimination and injustice,
past or present, real or
imaginary. Pastors talk that
way in churches calling upon
God to make things right.

What people seem to forget is the Weather Underground never intentionally bombed one human being–and destruction of property seemed to many, in what seemed a hopeless struggle to end the evil and murderous Vietnam War, a proportionately small crime. What people also forget is how many are dying or will die as the result of the corporate greed that resulted in this financial bailout–unless people can push Obama’s team to seriously channel the nation’s wealth to those who unfairly lack participation in it.

Judgment is coming and there will be nothing you can do to stop it.

Hopefully, we will get our $1000 before XMas. Our Greatest Leader is working hard, you know, it’s hard-work, with the Congress to fulfill his promise of rewarding us for voting for him. The new stimulus is coming any time now. It did not save the economy the first time, tanking it only by 50%, but it will do better this time. Him We Believe In!
Long Live our Greatest Dearest Leader, Comrade 0bama!

I’m waiting to see who will come out of the woodwork to say they kept quiet so as not to hurt the Republican campaign. Uuuuh, Bush?

Did you vote for Bush even though he has a criminal record? Coke and DUIs ring a bell? Why do you think Obama is more likely to have a criminal history???… because he’s black?
Posted by: Reality Bites | Nov 9, 2008 10:39:27 PM
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Mr. Reality Bites,
In case you are either blind who does not read his inspirational books for you, or deft who never heard of it from Mr. Matthews, the tinkle-man of admiration, 0bama admits he is a cocaine user.

brian dillon. You are so wrong. They were taking people off the street and having them sign up with no identification such as MICKEY MOUSE. Or don’t you remember that. There were 200,000 applications that Acorn was told to turn over and the reason that woman went took it to the supreme court she knew those applications were phony. I watched the news every single day. It was happening in fifteen states. And Obama didn’t mastermind his campaign he had several people working for him from Clinton’s administration. That’s who masterminded the campaign like they did for Clinton. These are the same people that turned their back on Hillary.

Marianne: “Why didn’t the protesting go on when JFK was alive? When the war first started.”
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Because in the early 1960s the nation was shocked by the rapid expansion of Communism around the world. At that time, most of the nation supported JFK. But the war dragged on. People began to question the “Domino Theory” and America’s right to unilaterally meddle in another country’s civil war. By Nixon the majority of the country was against the war. If the neocons had learned from history, they would have known Iraq would be a quagmire and that America doesn’t have the will to sheriff the world. But the arrogance in the white house believed they had all the answers.

Coke, I’m sure you sit in your right-wing nut job smugness thinking you scored a point on me or something, but your post is nearly unintelligible and has nothing to do with what I was saying. I know that Obama has admitted to drug use. What I also know is that he was never arrested and prosecuted like Bush was. He never got caught with a DUI, endangering the lives of others.
And admitting you tried cocaine in college is not the same as “being a cocaine user.” I didn’t call Bush a drunk now, did I?
What I’m saying is that it’s a big step saying that “stupid” college kids would vote for Obama if he had a criminal record when he doesn’t. But the person Mariann put in our White House right now does. Unless she voted for Kerry.

Paul Serr: If you think Obama is above average that’s your opinion but everyone doesn’t agree to it. Its this generation of young people that the news media said who is ruining this country. They are people that think like you. Like I said Obama could have a prison record and these nitwits would vote for him anyway. They have no concept of what is best for the country because they are caught up in their own little world of drugs, booze and sex. You have to worry about the big tax increase I don’t because I don’t have to work. But all the people of this country are going to get a tax increase and it will be the same for everyone. He isn’t president yet but wait until the downfall comes. I can just see Nancy Pelosi telling Emanuel what to do.

ACORN is required by law to turn in all of the names they register. They attempt to police this by flagging the fakes they find. The flag the whole list from the submitter of a questionable name. One right wing nut in the registration office took THEIR list and turned it over to the media. It was HIS responsibility to remove the names THEY identified. But he would rather have made Fox than facts.

Emanuel and Obama’s uniting:
Less than reputable people will tell you what they want you to hear until you sign on the dotted line, then comes the fine print and buyers remorse. Rahm Emanuel is perhaps the most hot-headed attack dog in congress, and one of the most non-partisan. He doesn’t represent what Obama promised about uniting at all. Read the Wikipedia entry on Emanuel, which describes where he stabbed a steak knife into the a table shouting “dead, dead” after rattling off names of people he disagreed with. He’s another thug from the Chicago political machine.
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Obama was elected by democrats, moderates and REPUBLICANS, – blacks, whites and hispanics. Mostly because none of his speeches sounded anything like what is posted in the above comments. Nuts are on boths extremes, and the rest of us meet in the middle.

Some history here.
JFK opposed military expansion in Vietnam. Johnson oversaw the buildup there. Johnson was also cared for by a military hero we now know as Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Get over the B.S. and learn the truth. When you do it will be easy to support President Obama.

Guess who is not getting elected for a 2nd term.

JQPublic: “Guess who is not getting elected for a 2nd term.”
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Just curious — how good were you at predicting this election?

I predicted this one. :)

I couldn’t agree more Fred – I couldn’t agree more. All of you should just shut up and mind your own business. Stop looking to the government to solve your problems and stop griping about things that you cannot change. Make the best of your lives with what you can accomplish on your own with your own two hands – you may think that someone is looking out for you (Bush or Obama, or other), but the truth is – you are all alone on this planet.

For those who are complaining about Obama potentially raising taxes, here are some numbers to think about.
The IRS issued a report on the 400 richest Americans and how much they paid in taxes in the year 2000. The top four taxpayers had a combined income of $69 billion, more than some countries make, in the year 2000. These individuals were on the receiving end of tax cuts in 2001, 2002, and 2003. The wealthiest .2% (about 250,000 households) saved almost $35 billion dollars in taxes. The top 20% of Americans saved just over $200 billion each year in taxes (Bush’s 2nd term taxes would have covered the “Bail Out” plan currently in action).
Why do we have a budget deficit? I’m not sure, but I think tax cuts for the richest of the rich might have played a part.

Ms Pepitone, The question remains, What in the last eight years made you think that eight more years would have been a good idea? Oh that’s right, Sarah Palin, the last straw as I called her.
None other than Karl Rove after the election said that Obama ran to the middle, a pragmatist.

Mariann– I’m sorry you have such a low opinion of young people. In my large family my parents have 15 grandchildren, most between the ages of 15-30. All are hardworking, intelligent, honest and kind. Most, but not all, of the voting age folks in our family voted for Obama — grandchildren, parents, and grandparents. Our patriarch, my father, is a highly decorated, now-retired career military officer and veteran of three wars. So I don’t recognize the near-do-wells you describe as Obama supporters. We’re simply Americans who are concerned about the direction our country has been headed in and hoping for a better future. We will give president-elect Obama the benefit of the doubt until we learn whether he is up to the task.

President-Elect Obama needs to thank his “opponent – Hillary Campaign Team” for discing out all these associations during the primary. The issues were so thoroughly debated that there was really nothing left for GOP to gloat about. Still remember how Kerry being swiftboat on thing that pop up at the final days…
Good luck America and to my fairlady – Hillary Clinton.

The good news is that my sister who just left for Europe didn’t have to bring Canadian sweatshirts, the world is proud of us again. They see us in a light that we haven’t shone in a while. Nice. Sleep tight…..

Just in case any of you are interested in who actually controls America and the world as a whole try this site and watch the video. It will give you a little clarity intoworld affairs and whats really at work.
I don’t subscribed to the Utopian dream the author believes in and mentions in the end, because in the end our fate will probably be decided long before any such transformation could take place, but I’ll tell you what, you owe it to yourselves to view it. And it puts Obama in the same category as Bush and most other Presidents. Just watch it!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

I’m sorry. I miss the point of this article and its heading, “Election Over, Ayers, Wright & Farrakhan Emerge”.
Emerge like what? Freakish giants from Monster Island? I don’t get it.
3 people not on Obama’s payroll with opinions and the strength of character to represent them publicly in pursuit of change, whether approved or not.
Whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant. Group thinking, cowardly sycophants touting opinions and ideas that, miraculously, are in line with everyone else’s around them are lame.
I like strong Americans. They inspire me. Professor Ayers was the man when he told students who asked him whether or not they should pursue a ‘terrorist’ agenda in order to bring change, “Do something else.”
Or Farrakhan, who takes on the gordian knot of American racism daily, no matter what is said about him or how effectively his character is assinated in the media. And his cause is good. I may not like what he has to say all the time because it calls you out of your comfort zone and even calls you wrong, if you let it. But I’ve at least listened to what he’s had to say on SEVERAL occasions. So I’d know.
Pastor Wright. The “soundbite” I heard is what we’ve all heard and, frankly, …..he called it. hahahaha And I love it when people get called out based on their behaviour or actions and then get indignant. So stupid. If you don’t like being called out, morons, don’t do dumb crap. It’s really simple. Treat others the way you’d like to be treated and you’ll be on your way. Abuse others and get called out – or worse. Who cares about an abuser?
Not me.
None of these men deserve the press they’ve received. Nobody with a working brain is even fooled.

Farrakan says he kept quiet for nine months before the election about supporting Obama? Please! He’s been a lot of things, but never quiet. He called Obama the Messiah…well, he’s no where near my Messiah.
You know, I was wondering why in all the comment sections the pro Obama comments were 20 times more than McCains…then I heard that the Dems had teams of bloggers working full-time flooding the internet with their propaganda. Then they had all the TV networks, the left wing press (which is all of them), and Hollywood/TV talking heads all campaigning for Obama. How could he loose?

I appreciate your remarks, Mark. Like you I am retired military, with 23 years of service. I have lived in several different countries, speak several languages, and read foreign newspapers in the original language, so I am very familiar with how the rest of the world (with reason) viewed the US during the Bush years. it’s nice to be seen as the good guys again.

Oh and Mariann, you made the statement “this is the greatest country in the world.” How would you know, have you traveled the world? Your blatant ignorance and fear of the change is astonishing.

Obama will be judged by his associations because those associations have affected how he will govern. The American people have lost faith in politicians and Obama will have a very short time to convince them that he is not some ultra leftist. These people all but admitting that they pulled one over on the voters will not help his cause.

Hey Nick,
Maybe a dose of reality might help you. The only government that convicted Saddam was one put in place by us.
And as for your comment that the vast majority in Iraq did not adore Saddam, yes that is true, but as the recent election has shown the vast majority of Americans do not like Bush or his world view/policies.
I personally could care less what happened with Saddam. We all pay for our sins sooner or later. But I see you don’t care to address our behavior as a whole regarding policing other countries. I guess you would jump right up at the chance of sending your son or daughter to invade China because we don’t like their human rights violations and we want to set things right. Real men and woman gave their life to fight a war that was meaningless, maybe that fact escapes you.
We spent 161 billion dollars in 2003 to fight terrorism, and in that year 1,800 people were killed by terrorist around the world. Of that number, 78 were Americans. In the same year 450,000 Americans died of heart disease and we spent 2.9 billion dollars trying to cure it. That’s 6500 times more tax dollars to save 78 people. Wake up fool.

Obama attacking Nancy Reagan tells you everything you need to know about his values. He has none. Who attacks an 80 year old woman who just broke her hip? What a thug. Then he goes and whines when people say anything even remotely negative about him he sends his goons to dig through their driving record, to dig through their IRS records, and to attack them even if they are simple citizens. That is cowardice.
Obama has no class and he will bring shame to our country.

President Obama will do a great job. I have hope for myself and the nation. The hatred in these comments are not our future but our past.

You know, I was wondering why in all the comment sections the pro Obama comments were 20 times more than McCains…then I heard that the Dems had teams of bloggers working full-time flooding the internet with their propaganda. Then they had all the TV networks, the left wing press (which is all of them), and Hollywood/TV talking heads all campaigning for Obama. How could he loose?
Posted by: JohnnyG | Nov 9, 2008 11:55:09
I don’t think the ratio is remotely near 20 to 1. But I wouldn’t be shocked if Obama had paid bloggers whose purpose is to overwhem internet discussions. It sounds like a lot of effort and expense to try and sway a relatively small amount of voters. But with $700 million dollars to throw around, who really knows for sure? I don’t have any solid evidence so for now I won’t throw out there the accusation of paid bloggers. I have to assume Jakes board is clean of these dirtbags if they do exist (at least I hope so).
Something on more solid ground (there is some evidence) is the influence of illegal foreign campaign contributions on the Obama campaign. Think of contributions on untracable Swiss credit cards in unround amounts under $200. Unround amounts (example: $173.28 instead of $175.00) result from foreign currency conversions. The buzz around political circles is the Obama campaign had tons of such odd numbered contributions, almost all under $200 (those face far less regulatory scrutiny than amounts over $200).

President-Elect Obama is an African American Christian and it is hypocritical of Republicans to say an African American-Muslim can’t be proud of him because of his accomplishments.
Just another shameful attempt to say anything about President-Elect Obama to paint some sort of mystery when in reality you are doing it because of a hatred that it so deeply imbedded in you that it hurts for republicans address it for what it is. It is so ingrained in them that some subconsciously do it.

Blue, my comment only stated that Republicans should not help resucitate a liberal once their policies fail. How does that get to racism as you are implying. Is all criticim of Obama now racist? How pathetic. Now that we have elected a black man to be our president we need to just accept his governance no matter how flawed? The attempt to silence free speech and polictical opposition found in your comments is frightening.

Polly: Are you living in wonderland? Ayers intentionally bombed the NYC police station killing three policemen and 2 others. Where have you been. And this country should have approved wire tapping under certain conditions. Because you protested the war is no reason to bomb your own country. That’s like saying we have the right to bomb this country if we don’t like what they do. If you believe Obama, Wright, Farrakhan and Father P love this country then you better think again. Obama wanted to make history. He was caught up wanting to be like MLK whose books he read when he was young. Obama should walk in his own shoes because he will never be like MLK, JFK or RFK. But he has the majority of the public believing it. Apparently they are easy to fool and he really fooled them.

Hey how about remaining quiet?

I think the responders that see people who support Obama candidacy as reflections of Obama are wrong. There is a great divide between Wright and Farrakhan. Those that see plots afoot, great machinations, conspiracies- isn’t life interesting enough? why ignore the Bush failures ? Why not give Obama a chance? Why not do something positive instead of carp Too many critics and not enough artists

I wonder how much longer the emotionally charged names of Farrakhan, Wright, and Ayers are going to be paraded. They’re clearly not names and issues that have been exhausted.

Frank S,
Give Obama a chance? Why would we simply stand by while Obama attempts to replace our system of government with a european style socialism? Undoing an overreaching government usually involves war and revolution. It is much better to prevent it in the first place. Once we give up our freedoms in the name of government we will not get them back without great pain.

Hillary should be given credit for her own mind and her own career and not be interchangable with her husband. By your standards Barack is only now “proud of his country”

“Sarah Palin talked about the impact the Obama attacks on her will have for young women . . .”
Curt, The worst attacks on Palin came from within the McCain campaign. To name a couple of their allegations , they’re the ones who called her and her family the Wasilla hillbillies and referred to her as a whack job.

hello he played ’99 problems’ as he walked out on stage at a victory rally during the primaries! He’s sexist and not too shy about it either…

Republicans, Spence & Cantor and the rest will
become a narrow quasi- fundamentalist political party…..with nothing but hate and fear as policies……..
“Republicans would rebuild their party based on social issues and fiscal conservatism.
“You build those conservative solutions,..on the same time-honored principles of limited government, a belief in free markets, in the sanctity of life, the sanctity of marriage. There were three state referendums on marriage … all three carried. The vitality of the conservative movement around the country is very real,” said Pence.”

If we cannot quesion our president we have no chance to prevent failure. This isn’t good for Obama and certainly isn’t good for our country.

Curt,
We, as a country under the rattling of the fear sticks, gave up much under George Bush.
I believe, also, that undoing the Bush redistribution of wealth (in the top 2%’s benefit) is tantamount to an “European style socialism”.
I fear nocons government style and it’s results for the middle class…
You appear to fear a more leftist style of government and it’s implied ramifications…
We should be able to agree to disagree and realize that we both love this country and want the best for it, we just differ on the path to get to that end.
However, I take exception to your comment “Undoing an overreaching government usually involves war and revolution. It is much better to prevent it in the first place. Once we give up our freedoms in the name of government we will not get them back without great pain.”
The current administration was extremely overreaching, just not in the leftist manner that you fear (regulation & taxes), and all it took to undo that was a majority of the electoral college.
This is my first and only post – ever. I will happily read the conservative response in silence.
HC

Curt
here’s a real life example of one politician trying to ‘destroy’ another with vicious lies……
Saxby Chambliss, Sen. from Ga. during his 2002 campaign used the refrain of national defense and security, but drew criticism for television ads that paired images of Cleland and Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, and for questioning the commitment to homeland security of his opponent,
•-> Max Cleland, a triple amputee and decorated Vietnam veteran.
•-> Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona said of one ad, “It’s worse than disgraceful, it’s reprehensible;” Republican Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska said the ads were “beyond offensive to me.”
Chambliss never served in the military himself, allegedly due to a bad knee.

That is a sad commentary on where we are as a country. Why is political dissent improper only when it is directed toward a Democrat?

Well if Ayers ,Farrakhan,or Wright are history what about this ?
It’s funny how this isn’t reported by the MAIN Stream Media
By Khalid Hasan
WASHINGTON: Another of President-elect Barack Obama’s appointments has been greeted with disbelief by Pakistani-Americans and liberal members of the Indian community because Sonal Shah, the adviser picked up by Obama for his transition team, is known for her links to communal Hindu organisations.
Vishwa Hari Parishad (VHP) and its student wing Bajrang Dal are believed to have been involved in the massacre of over 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat and for the last three months have been carrying out a sustained campaign against Indian Christians in Orissa.
Sonal Shah has been the national coordinator for VHP-America and her father has been associated with the Overseas Friends of the BJP. Further, her organisation IndiCorps works with a VHP-sponsored initiative called the Ekal Vidyalayas – or single-teacher schools with a curriculum steeped in instilling hatred against non-Hindu religious minorities. Ekal Vidyalayas have played a key role in anti-minority violence in the states of Orissa and Madhya Pradesh. IndiCorps founders also have a close relationship with controversial Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi.
According to Vijay Prashad, Chairman of South Asian history and director of international studies at Trinity College, Hartford, Connecticut, Sonal Shah’s Houston-based parents were “not only in the ecumenical Gujarati Samaj, but also in the far more cruel organisations of the Hindu Right, such as the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, the Overseas Friends of the BJP and the Ekal Vidyalaya. Shah’s parents, Ramesh and Kokila, not only work as volunteers for these outfits, but they also held positions of authority in them. Their daughter was not far behind. She was an active member of the VHPA, the US branch of the most virulently fascistic outfit within India. The VHP’s head, Ashok Singhal, believes that his organisation should ‘inculcate a fear psychosis among (India’s) Muslim community.’ This was Shah’s boss. Till 2001, Shah was the National Coordinator of the VHPA.” In 2004, the hard Right government in Gujarat honoured Shah with the Pride of Gujarat (Gujarat Garima) award.”
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Rev. Wright served 4 years in the US Marine Corps and 4 years as a US Navy Hospital Corpsman serving with the US Marine Corps as a Fleet Marine Hospital Corpsman. How many of you republicans put your arse on line for your country?

Hopefully Obama’s election means the permanent marginalization of Farrakhan and fellow bigots like Sharpton. Ayers was already on the margins, as were the hysterics in the McCain/Palin campaign who tried to use him as a wedge issue.

For cripe’s sake, I am a democrat–let me post. I just don’t like ‘The One!!!!’

Blue: Yes as a democrat I remember the Dixie chicks and the horrible Valerie Plane stuff too. But Blue, you don’t want to be THEM. I never wished I was on the republican side, not ever. But now you are on the side that is silencing the critics–do you want that. I don’t believe you do.

The future of the GOP lies with moderate Republicans, respected leaders and politicians like Hagel, Colin Powell, Lugar, Collins and Snowe. The right wing zealots like Michelle Bachman, Hannity, Limbaugh, Jim Bunning and the nut case from Oklahoma? Their message is toxic, for good reason.

misstickly, maybe your just trying to paint a picture that doesn’t exist?
Unless your saying some pretty ugly things, ever other post you send seems to make it to publication. Seems like more smear, trying to get political millage out of nothing, some big conspiracy that anything you say is getting pulled because you support a different view.
Don’t you think we all know that no one is editing your posts or keeping them from being posted?

Andrew,
yes I have – read the book.
Not quite there yet though, no matter how many posts get deleted or changed before your very eyes, although I see the inference.
It is BS, yes.
Keep counting, maybe it will lull you into submission.
It looks as if Curt is on the outs list or he got lulled into submission!

Hey Larry W,
History lesson, Obama’s father was actually a British citizen. Kenya did not even exist at that time, it was formally known as the British East Africa Protectorate. Kenya became an independent country December 12, 1963.

Reality check folks. The election is so over. You cannot change the results. Soon, this bitterness you are embracing will become you. Every day you waste sphewing forth your venom is another day wasted that you will never get back. Move onward and upward.

misstickly:
you can hold dual citizenship w/o being born in that country!
C’mon, those are two separate issues.
Go back and read the post about being BORN in Kenya…unless you think some lefty MSM freak changed it!!!!

Mark:
You’re correct about Kenya. You’re also probably aware that Hawaii became part of the Union two years prior to Obama’s birthdate (1961) – in 1959.
None of that matters in terms of the Constitutionally-mandated condition for eligibility to the office of president, the relevant condition being that the candidate be a “natural-born citizen” of the United Sates. Please note that “natural-born” and “citizen” are in no way the same thing – and that’s why Schwarzennegger cannot run for President (although I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t mind having a go).
The bottom line is that, if as alleged by his grandmother (a decidely non-senile lady) that she was present at Obama’s birth – in Kenya.
And even if she’s wrong, there’s still the Indonesian issue, where it appears likely that Obama relinquished his U.S, citizenship. There isn’t space here to delve into the accompanying complexity.
Berg has brought suit against Obama, now to the Supreme Court. Certeriorari will be actioned Dec 1st. Numerous states have subsequently brought suit in the past two days. Electoral College reps are now saying that they will not allow their adjudication and vote to proceed without proper proof of various important documents from Obama, which so far have been withheld – by Obama, and by nobody else but Obama.
I smell a rat, as do uncountably many other people in this country. I suggest you, and others here, properly inform yourselves on this issue before jumping to the “easy” conclusion.

Larry W, sorry if I got it wrong but I thought you wrote ‘Obama was ‘most likely’ born in Kenya.’
My point was that Kenya did not exist at that time of his birth.

amazingly enough, and like most Americans…
I just don’t care, Jake.

Wazzup: this is what you are missing and it’s right in front of your face actually. It isn’t a fact that Palin is dumb. It’s a perception. Bideen, Obama & McCain all said dumb things that weren’t itemized daily. It is a double standrd. And now we have ‘unnamed’ reports? Shame, when women are are stake, why would you quote unnamed sources that could say whatever? One thing McCain and the RNC counted on was that the left would easily skewer the woman. And know they dont have to blame bush, they don’t have to blame their wrong ideology, they can blame Palin. If you believe the governor of Alaska is THAT dumb, then you fell for it. Hook, line and Sinker.
She could have be a rock star, too (in as much as a right winger can be a rock star), if people didn’t easily jump on the mob bandwagon. It’s too easy to beat down a woman.
So to answer your question, it was a slap in the face, but when push comes to shove, how many millions are really to blame for letting them get away with it? Were you part of that?

So there are actually forces at play which are claiming that BHO was born in Kenya?
Is it even possible (ignore the fact that the standard neocon answer is “MSM cover-up”) that this was not all over the news, with night time investigation TV tracking his mother’s placenta and the like! I hear about it – first – on a blog at 12:00 am EST???
C’mon, get real!
PROOF or BS! Even if you hate the guy because of this or that…c’mon! I would imagine that someone checks your credentials before you just are allowed to run? No?

miss,
Maybe I was part of it??? That will take a few minutes to digest & more than that of introspection…but I have a different view.
Dumb was never the issue with me – as far as the Pallin choice goes. I thought part of the choice was only because she is a woman, that is pandering and almost as deplorable as anything else. I felt she was chosen not because of her politics & credentials but because she was a woman & worse yet (I think) because she is attractive…here is our Barbie doll, now go out & get the “Joe six-pack” vote!
I gave her the benefit until the SECOND interview on her ignorance! I felt I was generous.
She was a rock star, still is to some neocon’s…whatever.
But I must say that there has been alot of idiot calling (I think rightly so) about the sitting POTUS…non-female.

missticky this whole thing scares me. being a disabled democrat whith no a ot of future….this whole thing makes me scared. what the heck do i do

missticky, you have been courageos and out going , and politically chareged to believe in what you what to. god bless you so am i. thank god for the democrats, and we must lead a peaceful nation, a world without violience. god help us all. god bles the usa.

Well I hope this doesn’t get deleted or edited ;) but I just want to say this has been an interesting discussion, passionate, and I hope productive.
It never hurts to expose oneself to different views, hopefully we all read them with an open mind and give real thought to everyone’s views. There is a difference between discussing issues and spewing hate. Be positive, the American people have spoken and hopefully we have made the correct choice. We have been wrong before, I’m sure we will be wrong again.
It’s growing late, so I bid you all goodnight!
Please carry on and remember in the end it is each and every ones civic responsibility and duty to make this world a better place. For good or bad, we can embrace President elect Obama and try to make this a better country, or we can continue down a path that doesn’t really paint a very bright future for us or our children.
Peace to all of you.

Everything Mark says about the eligibility issue is factually correct, and misstickly (FSM?) totally gets the big picture. For those of you interested in the legal issues, they are available at BreakTheMatrix. This is by far and away the best presentation of the facts of the matter I have seen in several days of research on this matter. Apologies for the length of this, but it is not simple.
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(This analysis raises a very interesting issue – even if Obama was natural born, he must be a natural born “citizen”. Thus if Obama – or his Mother- renounced his US citizenship when he became a citizen of Indonesia, Obama would have to again become a US citizen when he returned to Hawaii. Apparently, Obama has not shown that he took an “oath of alliegence” and obtained naturalized citizenship when he returned from Indonesia. One of the items being sought in the current Hawaii lawsuit is Obama’s signed oath of alliegence. While the vault birth certificate is still importent, there are other issues that can render him ineligible for the POTUS.)
Is Barack Obama a Natural Born Citizen?
Posted by Rick Williams on Mon, 10/27/2008 – 21:22 in BreakTheMatrix
Article II Section 1. of the United States Constitution provides: “No person except a natural born Citizen . . . shall be eligible to the office of President.” All across the internet we see the constitutional question arising– does Barack Obama meet this (these) requirement(s)? Here’s some legal discussion on the subject.
First, a couple of disclaimers. (1) Neither Breakthematrix nor I endorse or support Obama, or McCain, or any other candidate in the upcoming election. (2) This column is NOT written for the purpose of persuading anyone to vote for or against Obama, or to offer any sort of “answer” on the issue whether Obama is (or is not) IN FACT a “natural born citizen.” Rather, my purpose is to address the legal issues involved, and hopefully provide some insight as to what the constitutional outcome should be under different factual assumptions. I note that McCain’s candidacy also raises a “natural born citizen” issue– but there is a core difference between the McCain and Obama circumstances. In the McCain case, the relevant birth facts are all known and undisputed– it’s a pure question of law whether he qualifies for the presidency or not. In the Obama case, by contrast, the FACTS THEMSELVES are clouded or disputed, and resolution of these factual questions is necessary before the legal /constitutional issues can be determined. Very simply, on the existing factual record I would not presume to say for certain where Obama was born, or what happened during (and after) his years in Indonesia that might have impacted his status as a “natural born citizen.” The factual record isn’t clear enough to persuade me one way or the other on these points, but this doesn’t mean we can’t consider the constitutional issues involved by use of differing factual assumptions. Such “either/or” consideration based on varying hypothetical fact scenarios is a common staple in proper legal analysis– and that’s what I offer in this column. So here’s a framework:
(a) Obama’s place of birth.
If Obama was in fact born in Hawaii, as his backers claim, the issue of “natural born” is put to rest. But note, the issue of legal “citizenship” remains open, EVEN IF the birth location issue is resolved in Obama’s favor. Being “natural born” is not enough– the constitutional requirement is that Obama be a “natural born citizen.” (See further discussion on the “citizen” point below.)
If Obama was born in Kenya, or any country other than the United States, he does not qualify as “natural born” and he is constitutionally unqualified to serve in the office of president. This point is a matter of settled law, and is beyond dispute. The “natural born” requirement cannot be cured or swept away by any sort of subsequent immigration or naturalization proceeding– i.e., Arnold Schwarzenegger cannot serve as president.
(b) Is Obama presently a “citizen” of the US?
Persons questioning Obama’s qualification point to events after his birth. Specifically, they argue that Obama’s mother married an Indonesian named Lolo Soetoro and moved with him to Indonesia, taking young Barack with her. The assertion is made in lawsuits that Barack was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and became an Indonesian citizen. School records are cited by persons challenging the Obama candidacy as listing Barack’s name as Barry Soetoro; his citizenship as Indonesian; his father as Lolo Soetoro; and his religion as Islam. When Barack was approximately 10 years of age, he was sent back to Hawaii by his mother to live with his maternal grandparents. She subsequently divorced Lolo Soetoro, although she apparently spent much of her later life in Indonesia with her daughter (Barack’s half sister, Maya). From a legal standpoint, it appears that Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship during the relevant time frames, so affirmative conduct by Barack’s mother to become an Indonesian citizen (and to cause young Barack to gain Indonesian citizenship) would seem to have the effect of extinguishing American citizenship, even though dual citizenship is allowed under American law. Assuming that Barack’s mother did in fact become an Indonesian citizen, it is noteworthy that no record has emerged to date which establishes that she ever took the Oath of Allegiance or any other action to regain her US citizenship. Nor has any record emerged to establish that Barack ever took the Oath of Allegiance to regain his US citizenship (assuming, of course, that he was a US citizen at birth). Indeed, allegations exist in connection with some of the lawsuits that Barack traveled to Pakistan in 1981 on an Indonesian passport, possibly under the name Barry Soetoro. Such conduct (if it actually happened) would surely be viewed as an adult event which reaffirmed Barack’s status as an Indonesian citizen. No record has emerged that Barack ever legally reinstated his name as “Barack Obama”– raising a possible issue whether the current ballot listing under the Obama name is itself false and misleading.
While the issues and facts are far from clear at this point, it appears that if Obama became an Indonesian citizen as a young boy, traveled as an adult on an Indonesian passport to Pakistan in 1981, and NEVER WENT THROUGH the requisite naturalization process to restore his US citizenship (by taking the Oath of Allegiance) then he is not presently a “citizen” of the US and is not constitutionally qualified. Obama might argue on these facts that he has maintained to this very day a DUAL citizenship, either between Kenya/US or between Indonesia/US, but the purpose of Article II Section 1. seems rather clearly to be elimination of any lingering question of divided loyalty, and dual citizenship seems to arguably fall short of the constitutional loyalty standard even if Barack was “natural born” as a US citizen in the first instance.
(c) Is Obama a “natural born citizen” within the full meaning of that term?
Let’s ASSUME the following set of facts for discussion purposes: (1) Obama born in Hawaii; (2) Obama becomes an Indonesian citizen early in life; (3) Obama later relinquished his Indonesian citizenship and properly restored his US citizenship by taking the Oath of Allegiance in a naturalization proceeding. Under this unique hypothetical, does Obama qualify as a “natural born citizen?”
This hypothetical has never been tested in the courts, as far as I know. Under this scenario, Obama would be deemed “natural born” but his present citizenship would have been accomplished through a naturalization process rather than a birth process. Some commentators argue that the fact of later naturalization as the grounding for citizenship is disqualifying– but as for me, I’m not so sure. I think Obama could make a pretty good legal argument on these facts that he was indeed a “natural born citizen” at the outset of his life, and that he’s a citizen today (albeit naturalized). It’s a close legal question, but a reasonable court might conclude that the constitutional test is met on such facts.
Is any of this important? You bet it is. The Obama people are living in a dream world if they think these constitutionally significant issues will be swept under the rug in the euphoria of an Obama election victory. Already there are eight existing lawsuits, and more will keep coming until the unresolved fact questions which underpin Obama’s claim of core qualification for office are put to rest with definitive answers. We need to know, with a high degree of confidence, whether Obama is “natural born” and whether he’s a “citizen.” Crisis of legitimacy, anyone?

Election was over Nov. 4, 2008!!!
Today, is November 10, 2008!!!!
People get a LIFE!!!!!!

Ohmmmmmm-bama!!!
(Just kidding.)
Peace. (and Go Romney-Jindal in 2012!)
Goodnight.

carlasue: I haven’t decided yet what they need to do to get me back. But you can bet they will miss us while we are still sulking and rightfully so!

From the most recent interview with Sarah Palin:
Here’s some of what she had to say:
Question: — Why did your campaign lose?
Palin: — I think the Republican ticket represented too much of the status quo, too much of what had gone on in these last eight years, that Americans were kind of shaking their heads like going, wait a minute, HOW DID WE RUN UP A $10 TRILLION DEBT IN A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION, how have there been blunders with war strategy under a Republican administration.

g’nite to all

blue – obahmanation:
Nite.
Good to hear your points!
Peace!

I really like Reverend Wright’s sermons.

miss:
U leave?
Thought you would reply to something by the time I read the whole legal history of BHO’s POTUS eligibility item placed by Andrew.
Thanks Andrew! It was long, but very informative & worth the read.
I appreciate your taking the time to post it. I hope it all pans out that BHO will be POTUS – but that is just my opinion – but only if allowed by law.

Wazzup:
You’re very welcome! I am concerned about this for no other reason but that the prospect of a usurper gaining access to the presidency – not to mention to a collection of the most closely guarded national secrets – fills me with abject horror. Whether his skin is green, puce or violet has no bearing on the issue (it should go without saying). It’s 100% a constitutional issue. That is, it is unless you want to rip up the Constitution.

rick g:
GREAT! That would achieve two really important goals which I know we all want to see happen:
1. A further reduction in our ability to self-sustain ourselves as a nation and to increase our dependency, and to reduce even further the number of jobs available domestically.
2. A big favor to the oil-producing nations of the Middle East. They will be so happy. Do you think Obama has any kind of special relationshio with them? After all, one of his names IS Hussein. I believe that’s an Arab name, isn’t it?
Excellent news!

The wing nuts from the fringes end up being the same.
Rev. Wright’s insane ranting is no different than the ravings of Falwell and Robertson after 9/11 or Sarah Palin’s pastor claiming that God’s hand was being raised to smack us all around.
Farrakhan’s views on Jews aren’t any different than those of the freak who lectured Palin’s congregation about Israel being terrorized because Jews refused to become Christian. They’re both hateful anti-Semites.
Ayers and Liddy shared the same extremism to further different causes…Liddy just didn’t succeed in fire bombing the Brookings Institute.
I think the nut cases from both ends of the spectrum should move to Alaska, secede from the union, fight it out amongst themselves and leave the rest of us alone.

True Republicans are not happy about a communist managing to steal the 2008 election through massive fraud (college kids voting multiple times for obama, inmates voting for obama, dead people voting for obama, non-citizens voting for obama, etc.). But the cold comfort for Republicans is that a couple of years from now when obama lays waste to our economy, security, and health care, Republicans can smugly say “I told you so!”.

They emerge and will demand their tithes.
They’ll want what they see they deserve for their support.
Watch.

William Ayers dedicated his book “Prairie
Fire” to Sirhan Shirhan, the assassin of Robert Kennedy. For Obama to associate with Ayers AT ALL is the issue that will remain. This election proved that character no longer matters. Race, Money and Power won in 2008.

I find it appalling that American citizens self-censored themselves in order to help elect a president. Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Tony Rezko and even Michelle Obama kept silent, or were kept silent by the campaign, for most of the election. That is just wrong.
The same people who attacked President Bush at every turn are now demanding that critics keep silent about Obama. Irony, hypocrisy or dangerous censorship? We shall see…

@anon,
Why don’t you post some factual links to that.

How about the associations found with Obama’s election opponents? LIke the Reverend Muthee, who gave Palin a ceremony of protection against witches? Or the AIP,a radical secessionist group advocating the overthrow of the federal government? Let’s not forget the anti-Semitic Hagee who plays to Jewish political interests. It speaks a lot that Ayers, Wright and Farakhan were condensed into one article, namely that the effect was intended to be inflammatory. In short, journalism could use an improvement around here.
Are criticisms allowed?

It’s amazing how you neocons are still trying to twist/debunk the truth. Get over it! The world has changed and people are coming together with a common purpose of doing great things to make each and every life fruitful and meaningful.
“Yes we can” make it happen.

“If the people whom Bill Ayers is responsible for killing…”
There are no such people.
Professor Ayers has less innocent blood on his hands than the Ohio National Guard.
The Federal Government dismissed all charges against him. Granted, they did so to avoid revealing just how blatently they were violating American law and civil rights in their illegal harassment of activist groups in the sixties… but that was their choice. And among the charges in the docket, there was not a single case of injury or death. Not one.
Considering Professor Ayers’ considerable accomplishments in the past 30 years, I’d be quite pleased to have him as a neighbor. And the area schools would be overjoyed to have so tireless and selfless an advocate on their behalf. He has earned the numerous awards and accolades bestowed upon him.

My question to all Democrats (including media establishment) is, and will continue to be, “What do you intend to do with Farrakhan, Rezco, Ayers, Wright and Obama’s other assorted and sundry misfits?”
They are now mainstream Democrats, thank you very little. You have embraced them along with YOUR candidate, Obama. So will you now try to give them a type of respectability that they do not deserve, or admit that they are thugs and distance yourselves from them? The world will be watching.

keep it up Repubs…….. those guys can be yer ‘holy 3′ to keep you warm while you figure out how to get elected again with yer nutty views before the next century comes around.
Jindal/Palin in 2012… lookin’ forward to it.. ;-)

I think what got these three guys is that they all demonstrated a “punk mentality”. Ayers is a classic, rich kid, decides to blow up America to get his way. Biden has a bit of the punk in him – that is how his mouth gets him in trouble.
The worry among the people on the right was that Obama would be not the first African American president, but the first punk president. I think Clinton was there first – exposing himself to women with no support network. Obama is not that kind of lunatic.

BHO and his creepy friends.
All of them with that same smug expression, obnoxious, arrogant, radical.
BO either liked their message, their company or both–why else would he stay around them for so long?

congratulations to you obama voters. now you can savor the victory of being able to use live embryonic stem cells for research, allowing fifteen-year old children to have abortions without notifying their parents, killing unborn babies in any trimester, even late term. success! now the majority of people live in a godless society. we should all be proud. God help us all.

The very worst result of this election is the mainstreaming of Wright and Farrakhan. Wright is no Christian, as my earlier post shows. Farrakhan is a Muslim, as he claims the title of the leader of America’s “Black Muslims.” Both of these groups are highly confused about Christian scripture and religion in general. They should be criticized for what they are; splinter groups that worship the narcissistic personalities of their leaders.

Again, I’m disappointed that Ayers, Farakhan and Wright are all lumped together in one report. It’s typical of Limbaugh or Hannity to combine the three controversial figures into one report, or more accurately, diatribe. But it’s unusual they’d be presented together in one mainstream report, as if they should be rehashed ad infinitum. It also makes for more than the average incendiary postings.

Please everyone, Obama should be given every bit of respect, cooperation, and moral support that George Bush was given.
Posted by: rick g | Nov 10, 2008 4:36:14 AM
That’s a good one. Got any others?

So many people here don’t even know what they are talking about. Instead of just accepting the MSM’s ‘sound bytes’ of Rev. Wright, I researched the Trinity website and listened to his sermons in their entireties finding that the MSM did a terrible disservice to a good man.
Not only does he possess a superior intellect, but he is witty and charming as well. He also appeared on Public TV with Bill Moyers and was wonderful. Furthermore, he served our country as a Marine and was highly decorated. He has also served his community every day of his adult life until just recently when he retired. He has helped those in his community more than I bet anyone reading this post has helped his or hers.
The MSM has much maligned him and caused him to be vilified when he deserved none of that negativity. How many of you can say you have served your country as well as helped your community to the extent he has his? I doubt any of you [especially the negative posters] have done even a tiny portion of what this man has done, so until you do, I would advise you to stop hating him. Until you learn about him and listen to his sermons in their entireties, instead of snippets of sound bytes, please refrain from saying terrible things about him.
He is a good man and does not deserve the treatment you have shown here.
And no, I am not black nor am I young.

“Democratic” writes:
This is what I love about America. Ayers, Wright & Farrakhan all have a perfect right to have their own opinion and the perfect right to express it. I love how the neocons peg them as unAmerican for expressing their opinions.
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Wow…….where to begin with this blurb of hypocrisy. Perhaps the “fairness” doctrine??? I guess Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, et al. are great Americans for expressing their opinions??? Too bad the left doesn’t see it that way. They defend Ayers, Wright and Farrakan and then want to shut down talk radio. Typical blatant hyporcrisy from the enlightened “elite” who are ever learning and never able to come to the truth.

Ayers, Wright, and Farrakhan – evil men, all three.

‘centurion666′
you can keep the ‘truth’, truth for the religious is a long way from ‘truth’ to the secular…..
I’ll settle for accuracy, intelligence and reason
“ME”
re: ‘I am armed’
I hope ‘they’ come and get you so you can fulfill
your angry dreams.

I think what the Republicans need to do is include everybody and not just the religious right. I guess they will need to figure that one out for themselves.

TO InWantofaUnitedNation
Are you saying that Wright did NOT say “God damn America”???? I heard that part over and over. Its kind of hard to say that the media took that out-of-context.

Are you saying that Wright did NOT say “God damn America”???? I heard that part over and over. Its kind of hard to say that the media took that out-of-context.
Posted by: Colorado | Nov 10, 2008 12:38:31 PM
Did you ever listen to the entire thing? IF the answer is no, then yes it could have been taken out of context.
That is like Obama’s quote of “spread the wealth”. IF you look at the whole quote and not just that snippet it has an entirely different meaning.

Unless you heard the entire thing, how can you comment as to whether his use of GD America was appropriate. I have not seen the entire thing, just the snippets.
My suggestion if you have questions about it is view the entire thing and then make your comments.

For people who take those clips out of context and use them in an immoral attempt to smear Reverend Wright with hate . .. and then smear Obama as well . . .. I say God damn them.

Too bad for the Republicans they’ve isolated themselves in the delusions of the extremist right wing who keep flapping their obsessive minds over non-existent issues.
Some on here are still grasping in hopes that somehow trying to smear hate on Reverend Wright and tie that to President-elect Obama will change the political situation in the United States.
Listen, despite the right wing pulling out unfair, isolated sound clips from Wright’s sermons (listen to the whole sermons, they’re decent and fair) – and repeating those unfair clips on an endless loop on FOX news, etc. – the American public didn’t buy the nonsense.
Those days are over with. That is what is so pathetic about the right wing haters and smearers on these blogs. You are as obsolete as the Model T. And not nearly as decent.

Some of the comments here and elsewhere are funny. “A new dawn for America” “America has changed”. The sad but funny thing is, oportunities have been there for all Americans for decades. Those barriers and ceilings were all an illusion the whole time. I guess some people just need to have symbols or the “right” people telling them things are different in order for them to believe it. Now the problem is those same people who couldn’t see their own freedom all along are now going to have the wrong expectations.

Here we go again… The lefties are attacking conservatives with ad hominem attacks and blaming us for everything that doesn’t go right for their “savior” BO. Well, sorry to say this, but BO brought a lot of this stuff on himself. And these people are STILL lying about their alliances with him. Ayers and Obama are NOT just passing acquaintances regardless of how many times they try to say differently. Obama even said in his own book that he was very deliberate about the people he associated with so he would not be seen as a “sell-out”. He proudly listed all the radical leftist groups he allied himself with. Still, you folks act like the right made it all up.
It is sad when people live in such denial.

WOW!!! There are frightening people out there! The U.S. did NOT pull out of Vietnam because of what people like Ayers did or said. You guys are rewriting history!!! You forget that LBJ (a Democrat) kept the war going because he had financial interests in keeping it lingering. His business was in tractors and other heavy equipment that were sent over there and paid for by our tax dollars. Nixon was the one who pulled us out–after we had been stuck in that quagmire by two Democrat Presidents. The radicals like Ayers and Wright are opportunists–they are NOT heroes by any means. Communism kills more people and creates more poverty and suffering than any other political ideology. When are you going to learn from history???

“The Swiftboat has run agound, but they’re still gunning the throttle. Priceless.”
Exactly Sam.

Janine
re: The lefties are attacking conservatives….”
not really…..
Republicans are doing a great job eviscerating themselves……. Dems only need to get out of the way and watch the conservative carnage…

Here’s what Sarah Palin had to say about why the Republicans lost the election:
Question: Why do you think your campaign lost?
Palin: I think the Republican ticket represented too much of the status quo, too much of what had gone on in these last eight years, that Americans were kind of shaking their heads like going, wait a minute, HOW DID WE RUN UP A 10 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT IN A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION? How have there been blunders with war strategy under a Republican administration?

pefros:
Palin is correct. Bush “lost”, not McCain and Palin.
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Obama “lucked” his way to the presidency. His Wright baggage didn’t hit the news until after the first nine primaries. After that it was nip and tuck and Clinton almost won anyway. In the general election McCain and Palin had the Bush millstone around their necks. With the broken economy and the Iraq war, the only word many voters needed to hear was “change”. and Obama owned that word. Obama owes his win to Bush the idiot.
.

“Palin is correct. Bush “lost”, not McCain and Palin.”
Aaaahh the delusional freepers.
Bush lost. McCain lost. Palin lost big time.
Republicans lost on election day.

“WOW!!! There are frightening people out there! The U.S. did NOT pull out of Vietnam because of what people like Ayers did or said. You guys are rewriting history!!! You forget that LBJ (a Democrat) kept the war going because he had financial interests in keeping it lingering. His business was in tractors and other heavy equipment that were sent over there and paid for by our tax dollars.”
LBJ was out in 68. The war went on for 5 more years.
“Nixon was the one who pulled us out–after we had been stuck in that quagmire by two Democrat Presidents”
ROFLMAO.
Nixon saw the last big build up, the expansion of the war into Cambodia and eventually pulled combat forces out 5 years after he was elected but this is the Democrats fault?
The lesson for the day? Freepers lie.

JC
re: “but in what context, exactly, would the phrase “God damn America” be appropriate?”
you seem to think that America can’t make a mistake or errors in judgment and policy….. it has, it does, and it will again…: the question is will we ever learn from the past and wise up.
Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse
KKK
guantanamo prison
starting a war by mistake: ie. Iraq
oppression of minorities

Blue–
Laugh all you want, but it is true. Conservatives give much more to charity and otehr causes than liberals do. Liberals only vote for higher taxes so they can force people to give up their hard earned money to pay for fat bureaucracies that are supposed to help others. Most of that money goes to the bureaucrats though–very little of it goes to the people it is supposed to help.

Obsms bought the presidency, and had his left wing media freinds touting him at every turn. Well,,,,these people will get what they want Obama bought the Presidency but he will govern with stealth.. Stealing your freedoms, your guns, your right to free speach, your right to free elections etc.etc. Look at Venezuela and weep.

“Obsms bought the presidency”
With money provided by the clear majority of voters that elected him. Tidy, that.
“Stealing your freedoms”
My freedoms have already been trampled by the Bush administration’s high-handed disregard for Constitutional rights and protections in the name of “national security”. Repression is a trademark of social conservatism.

President-elect Barack Obama comes away from Election Day with a 68% “favorable rating,” the latest USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows. That’s up from 62% who said they think favorably of him just before the election.

JBC
well…that was smoldering heaping portion of…..
… wow… ‘choice’ stuff…..
I guess it’s too bad for you that Obama doesn’t fit into your racial stereotypes

Right on, Tapper. Congrats on your new White House gig. Respect.

Bill Ayers has been acting as an advisor to Obama all throughout his campaign. The Obamas have been speaking with Ayers and Dohrn several times a week. This whole story about how they’re not friends, they don’t “pal around” is crap. They’ve been palling around for 20 years and it’s not going to stop now. Ayers will continue to be an Obama advisor even after Obama’s inauguration

Radosh also, upon the death of Studs Terkel called him a communist: “To be completely accurate, Terkel should be seen as the quintessential representative of Popular Front communism, circa mid 1940’s through the current era.” Terkel is a man who wrote accurate and moving books about working men and women in America – and a beautiful book about older people looking back on their friendships and their lives. Not commies. Construction workers. Nurses. Delivery men. My 94-year old mother, who was about as far from a communist as you could get, loved them.
But it would be nicer if he would give us a little introduction to the people he quotes. Only a few days in the press corps – and his bias is already tranparent. I like that. It makes it a lot easier to understand why someone would still be writing about Bill Ayers. Jake, I hate to break it to you, but neoconservatism is dead. It would make people very happy – if those of us without trust funds were not going to pay for their mistakes for the rest of our lives. Do you also believe that the war ended in Iraq with Mission Accomplished? Or have you forgotten the war? The ones the neocons brought us?

*BUCK ROGER – from a prev. post..
“The top four taxpayers had a combined income of $69 billion, more than some countries make, in the year 2000. These individuals were on the receiving end of tax cuts in 2001, 2002, and 2003. The wealthiest .2% (about 250,000 households) saved almost $35 billion dollars in taxes. The top 20% of Americans saved just over $200 billion each year in taxes..”
THIS is the legacy of Reagen; trickle down economics are responsible for the liquidation of our manufacturing sector, loss of middle class jobs which sustained a nation, and the continued loss of real income by America’s workers – the finance industry doesn’t employ people with HS educations, however Walmart and McDonald’s are doing great you’ll notice – Obama has his work cut out for him, and yeah, he may fail – however, are we supposed to put the future of our country in the hands of the party which had it’s hand on the tiller during the Great Depression, the Saving & Loan bailout of 1989, AND the current economic disaster?? Three for three?!? As far as tax hikes, borrowing money from foreign banks to fund tax “cuts” for millionaires is the GOP’s legacy to today’s working families – who do you think is going to pay for socializing our banks, the French? once again, the american people have to bail out another REPUBLICAN President..

America….are you happy that you elected the most liberal, unexperienced, socialist politician in the U.S. to be president ?
All of the Obama lovers out there who make excuses for him regarding his past associations and the comments he has made about his desire for certain agendas.. you are totally delusional and YOU PEOPLE are the deranged ones..
America will get what they deserve. Obama will hand you payback for electing him president. America will never be the same again.
Wait and see.

I read this story yesterday, and I’m still reeling. I won’t blame ABC and Jake for running it, but can’t believe these 3 guys have the gall to come out like this.
Farrakhan – Not even worth a comment, based on his well-documented rants.
Ayers – It’s time to pimp a reprint of an ill-timed book release from 2001? So, we should take him seriously? The sad thing is people will buy the book to a) see if he’s as evil as Hannity, et al said…b) was a true crusader of justice as he proclaims…c) what his life on the run was like. Only in America.
Wright – Complains about his life’s work being reduced to a caricature? Can someone please roll the tape of him in front of the National Press Corps this summer? Who made him act like a loon there?

Obama…not my president…not now….not ever!

People are commenting all the time lately, Obama this, Obama that, your going to regret ever electing him, all kinds of crap. Than they talk about who’s going to run in 2012. Let me tell ya, you all might as well be thinking about 2016 or 2020 because with the attitude you now have, which is the same attitude that voted you out of office your going to have a hard time convincing the people you have any kind of reason to be given the opportunity to lead.
Remember something called the “contact for America”, remember how that went over. Eight years of Bush and you really think the American people are going to turn around anytime soon. You might as well start thinking of a way to steal an election because your certainly not going to win one anytime soon.