Arnold: GOP ‘Values’ Talk is ‘Nonsense’

Finally a Republican with some sense.Unfortunately their “values” do not represent all Americans only a fringe few right wingers.

Anytime Religion drives Politics, a nation suffers. Look at Iran. It’s a dangerous mix.

The Republicans would be well-advised to put someone like Schwarzenegger on the ticket in 2012. He is a Republican for the future. And he’s right about “core values” evolving with the times.
My father, who is in his 90s, was an old-school “compassionate conservative,” as were all his friends. They were hard-core Republicans who believed in lower taxes and small gov’t, but also believed strongly in protecting the environment (conservation) and in universal healthcare. They weren’t obsessed with abortion or gay marriage. Being consistent in their views about small government, they wanted gov’t to get out of people’s lives on those kinds of issues.
If you look back to great Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt (one of the original environmentalists), you will find many similar ways of thinking. (He was also the “trust-buster” — he did a lot to keep corporate power in check.) I believe that many people today would welcome a return to that kind of Republican leadership.

The rebirth of the Republican party only requires one thing; step back and let Obama fail. His policies will make our economy worse and his stance on foreign policy and terrorism will invite attacks on our country. The Republicans are rightly being punished for GWB failure to adhere to the conservative principles of small government and fiscal responsibility. The same rage voters have toward Bush will be the same rage that they will direct against the Democrats in 2 years and against Obama in 4 years.

Schwarzenegger is the one and only person who has admitted the truth of our economic situation. When Bush took office the first thing he said is every person in America deserves their own home, and you bankers out there make it happen. They did just that, by any means necessary with Bush’s blessing. Now, he sits back and acts like he doesn’t know how we got in this foreclosure mess. It was the most profitable time ever for mortgage brokers and lenders alike, because they sold really ugly mortgages all over the world for great profits. Everything Arnold said this morning is absolutely true, and he’s the only one saying it. I hope Congress passes the bill to allow unnatural born persons to run for President. You have my vote when that time comes.

We need the Republicans to ‘re-evaluate’ their ‘core values’…..and so what if they are out of touch…that way they will remain the minority party for decades….We need more of them to be led by closeted married (to the opposite sex)far-right bigoted clergy……..We need them to oppose civil rights while obtaining bathroom sex…We need more of them to take money from contractors inreturn for a wink….We need more far-flung religious bigoted minority ‘leaders’ in the republican party….more middle-aged balding grey-skinned men to ‘take’ our country in the ‘right’ direction…..thats right!
You can see it now, how sooo many young college graduates ‘flock’ to the republican party…..with brilliant future leaders like Gov Palin who see into the future gosh darn it…..we republicans want to go back in time when a women served in the kitchen and the man was the master……Let’s take rights away not give them…lets talk about Reagan and so what if he’s turning in his grave……let’s look back not forward……..sure the republican party will come back…sure it will…..it will come back to a ;safer’ time in our nations history….
The Republican party: a group of middle-aged balding grey-skinned know-it-alls, far right religious intolerant of anything different from us, the look back into the future party………the minority party(let’s keep it that way)

This is why I thought it odd when Arnolde endeorsed McCain so openly. His worldview always seemed much more in line with Obama’s, to me.

SO –GEORGE, SEEMS–YOU CANT IMPALE A NATIONLIST-AND PAINT HIM WITH HIS PARTY OF cry AND MOAN–LOSERS–CHENEY–WAS A GREAT PRESIDENT I.E. CORPORATE GOVERNANCE–SAYS–ALL MUST VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS–REACHING ACROSS THE AISLE ONLY FOR BRIBES-EARMARKS AND CLOSED SESSION BOMBING–OF DEMS AGENDA–THE WORLD IS DRIVEN BY GREED–YOUR JOB IS JUST LIKE THAT,–GO WHERE THE PERKS SUIT YOU–STATESMANSHIP-IS AN-AN ACRONYM

You don’t have to be genius to see we have to build infrastructure, fix health care, rebuild relationships with the world, move towards energy independence and formulate a meaningful environmental policy. Each of these subjects have been more or less ignored over the last eight years. Arnold is just stating the obvious – because these are real problems that can no longer be ignored. 1-20-09!

The republicans and their “values” and dogma is a receipe for failure. The proof is the last 8 years of their control. A complete failure. They have nothing to offer the country at all. “Reganomics” FAIL, shoving religion down everyones throat FAIL, not talking to our enemies FAIL, pre-emptive war FAIL, fiscal responsibility FAIL, trying to legislate morality FAIL,
and they want to double down all of it all. I know you rethugs want to stir up hate and fear about Obama, another FAIL. The true fear that people have is that the rethugs will have power again.

The Republicans keep saying the same thing over and over and over, for the last 40 years. They just don’t get it. The world has changed since Ronald Reagan. He seems to be their only hero. All these old men with white hair are stuck in the past. America is moving forward at a fast pace to be the leader in technology, the environment and universal heathcare. America will be the leader not the follower. Republicans are stuff in the past. They need new and young leaders to lead their party. Get rid of the old thinkers. Frankly I’m really tired of hearing it. They look foolish on TV.

Schwarzenegger was elected by the people of CA to fix the mess Davis created. He has done nothing, and is nothing but a complete failure. The CA deficit is easily double what is being reported. Arnold’s only goal now is to position himself for a Senate in Washington. The Republicans are doomed if they don’t walk from all these failed hanger-on politcians that infect the party.
Obama will fail under what he is creating, a second Clinton reign.

To: joseshema | Nov 16, 2008 11:23:26 AM
F. Y. I. The constitution requires our President to be born in the United States, as was President-elect Barack Obama. Hawaii IS one of the 50 United States! Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was not born in the U.S. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger admitted to using steroids. Are they not drugs?

Sounds to me like Arnold has finally been sucked into the Kennedy black hole.

I’m a Californian, and we have lots of Republicans here, many of whom voted for Obama. The future of the party must be wrestled away from the neocons and religious fanatics who won in 2000 with wedge issues and fear mongering. The clear and growing majority of Americans now realize they must entrust their children’s future to public servants who believe the world is more than 6000 years old and are not waiting for the rapture to solve our long term fiscal problems. LETS TRUST OUR FUTURE TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN ONE!

I really liked what Arnold had to say. That’s the kind of republican I could work with. He doesn’t sound like some nut. He sounds like a pragmatist and he’s thinking about and working for the right things. He has tremendous presence and energy. I’d be happy to have him in a visible role in Obama’s administration. He did a good job inspiring kids when he was the President’s exercise guy. He’s about to run into term limits I think. It would be a waste not to use all that energy for America.

The idea that Arnold could get away with his comments without being confronted on his choice to endorse and campaign for McCain (referring to Obama as a “girlie man”) then act as if “republican or democrat does not matter” is just the kind of politics that we are rejecting!!! George needs to get out of bed with these people and confront them on their comments, statements and positions when they change. This would be a recognition he upholding a journalistic standard and not just playing the game to stay on TV……

If you are on the other side of the Republican party (mumbling about small government and taxes and personal responsibility (just not for those above a certain income)) then where are you going? I actually happen to be a southerner who is old enough to remember a solid Democratic south. In ’64 when Johnson won a landslide we noticed a bunch of our fellow Democrats were not too happy with Lyndon but we thought, “heck, they can read, the Constitution applies to all of us and once they get that we’ll all be OK.” In ’66 we went to the polls for the primaries (the real election then) and couldn’t find any of those people on our ballots – they were running as Republicans! I had NEVER seen Republicans like those guys! Republicans that were racist? We couldn’t believe it. Of course, less than 20 years later, Saint Ron turned the keys to the party over to those guys and they are still in the driver’s seat. So what will happen to all the non-holy Republicans? Sarah and her crowd will be quite happy to promise whatever is necessary to get votes. They’d love nothing better than to drag a few select wealthy into the streets for a tar-and-feathering to sew up the trailer-park vote in Anniston. Georgie’s huge little give-away to big phama and the oldsters was just a warm-up! The millions that were wasted on the whole abstinence fiasco (welfare for the religious nut with no money-making prospects) is just another example. Do you honestly think those people give gas in a high-wind about your conservative small-government principles? They run that party. They’re going tell you sit in the back seat and shut up! Enjoy the ride! (On the other hand, being Democrats, we’re open to fiscal conservatism. There still are conservative Democrats! We don’t practice exorcism or ideological pogroms. We’re just looking for what is best for America. If you join us we will listen (our majority might not always agree with you but the only limitation to that is your power of persuasion and your ability to demonstrate results.)) Think about it.

Terrier,
I don’t see any idological flexibility in the Democratic party what so ever. Look what is happening to Joe lieberman. Look what happens to anyone who doesn’t bow to the litmus test on abortion or gay marriage. The Democrats are quick to call me and others like me racist just because we oppose the expansion of the welfare state. They have become thugs – see what happened to a private citizen that just wanted to ask a question of king Barry – they looked at this PRIVATE CITIZENS driving record, looked at his tax records, and also looked at his professional associations and licenses. I happen to believe this defines the Democratic party today. It is defined by the hyper partisanship of Chuck Schumer and Rham Emmanuel and the demand of ideological purity.
The Republican party might have lost its way under GWB but it remains the only party that is willing to entertain the idea of smaller government and lower taxes. It is the only party that openly argues for victory over terrorism. And, it still remains the only party where strong national defense is supported, not looked at as a potential source of funds for further expansion of the welfare state.
The Democrats have seen their fortunes rise, not because of the value of their ideas but because of GWB unwillingness to adhere to conservative principles and the failures that have resulted. The next two years of one party, Democratic party rule, will demonstrate the intolerance and lack of value in the approach Democrats propose. As Mick alluded to, I hope Republicans do not make the mistake we made in 1994 by allowing a failing Clinton administration to revive itself by taking credit for the changes brought by the takeover by house and senate Republicans. Obama and the Democratic party should be allowed to implement their policies so Americans can see plainly how flawed they are. We will be there to pick up the pieces in 2012 as Reagan was in 1980 and hopefully we won’t have to talk about the supposed “compassion” of failed liberal ideology for another generation.

Fred, I wasn’t calling you a racist! You don’t have a sad story about how the Democratic party left you (because they decided to support civil rights.) Do you? I’m trying to tell you the damned truth about who is in charge in your precious little party that entertains “the idea of smaller government and lower taxes.” It is NOT that philosophy (other than it’s entertainment value!) Palin and her ilk will gladly throw you under any handy passing bus if you don’t support their out-of-the-mainstream religiously based ideology. (If you do support it then read my earlier comment.)
Yep, we Democrats have no ideological flexibility at all! That’s why Reid is anti-abortion and the House is full of Blue-dog Democrats concerned about the deficit and the bailout. That’s why Obama has stated that he doesn’t want Lieberman exiled. Bush governed as a conservative. It failed. Now you think we’re all stupid enough for a do-over? If Bush was not a conservative then why did you vote for him – twice? The point is that the majority in this country will not support conservatives when the so-called ‘conservatives’ can’t even decide what Conservatism is except that if it were done right there would be no need for Democrats (excuse me (and most of the rest of us) for not holding our breath.) There is NO CONSERVATIVE PHILOSOPHY – just a bunch of people that can’t decide whether the government owns my daughter’s womb or Exxon does.
It won’t be 28 years in the wilderness for the GOP this time while the Democratic Party cleans up the wreck ‘conservatism’ has made of this country – it will be the end of that party. It just won’t hang together. You may individually enjoy the purges and the backstabbing that will come but if you’re not southern and you don’t pray loudly to Jesus, you will be discarded. I’m just trying to save you some pain. Enjoy the ride. The cliff is not the problem – it’s the ground that waits.

Anytime Religion drives Politics, a nation suffers. Look at Iran. It’s a dangerous mix.
Posted by: Joe | Nov 16, 2008 10:11:21
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I agree. Religion has no place in the 21st Century. The whole world would be a better place without it.
Here’s a reality check…
http://www.zeitgeist.com
The best 2 hours of your life.

MsRotten – let me know how that works for you when the tribulation occurs.

ell, let me know what works for you when the big rock comes and we are unprepared because we’re still arguing about how many pinheads dance with angels. People that don’t believe in human survival have no stake in it. Magic will not save you from a 50-ton rock. It is truly sickening that bronze-age death-wishes are more real to some people than actual fact. Fortunately, you most likely won’t live long enough to have to explain to your children why you didn’t address the real threats to human existence.

Arnold speaks the truth. but whoever mg is did they forget that Arnold used steriods and that is why he had the heart condition. He speaks of using steriods if you recall. Also Obama worked his way up too. It kills me when people don’t realize that afro-americans work hard to make it they only think one race has the goods on that. Republicans will never find their way if they keep on talking about the past and not living in the future. The conservatives in their party have really made the party go down. If they keep on going in that direction they will continue to lose.

Arnold S. will never be put on a Republican presidential ticket, because he is pro-choice. Lieberman thought he would be the Veep pick, and then found out that most of the party would not accept him, no matter how much support he was willing to give McCain.
The discussion about Lieberman changing parties is ridiculous. The Democratic Party put him on their ticket in 2000. The Republicans refused to put him on their ticket in 2008. Which party do you think treated him the best?

Mick and others, I have no respect for anyone who predicts gloom and doom and failure under an Obama presidency. You just don’t know how it’s going to go. None of us really do. So why be such a negative sad sack? What good does that do anyone?
Besides, your team were the ones who gave us George W. Bush, so please, a little humility. Your record on choosing winners is extremely tarnished.

For those of you who believe that the Gover-nator should run for President need to research the requirements on who is eligible to run for office. If I am not mistaken, Gov. Schwarzenegger was not (as Bruce Springsteen sung about) Born in the USA.

The power of the familial …
Gov Arnold married to a Kennedy with four children who appear to follow mom’s POV.

Arnold is so p*ssy-whipped. If he wasn’t married to Maria Shriver, he’d sound like any other loser Repuke.

jrsposter said “Arnold S. will never be put on a Republican presidential ticket, because he is pro-choice” Uh – how about Arnold will never be put on a Republican presidential ticket because he isn’t eligible to become President.

All Repuglicans care about are gay marriage and tax cuts for the rich.
They’re a simple group of knuckleheads to figure out.

Republican “core” values: Gay sex in the mens room at the airport, while supporting laws to prevent gays from having civil rights, Shooting defenseless animals from a helicopter, prancing 17 year olds on the world stage while they are pregnant and inciting racism and hatred of all that is not right wing in America, and they (republicans)wonder why Obama won in an overwhelming victory on 11/04/08. republicans celebrate ignorance!

If someone knew nothing about American political rhetoric, and merely compared the statistics of the Clinton presidency to those of the Bush presidency, then compared Obama’s proposals to those of McCain, that someone would be left with the disquieting but irrefutable conclusion that the party of fiscal responsibility (in practice, rather than in rhetoric) is the Democratic party.
While it’s true that Obama’s proposals, if all implemented, would increase the deficit, they would do so much less that McCain’s brand of welfare for the wealthy.
If the Republicans want to come back from the dead, they need to recapture the high ground of fiscal responsibility, with sensible and practical policies that predate Reagan’s voodoo economics.
They also need to abandon the politics of hate and division embodied by the “religious right”. There’s nothing wrong with promoting family values, but there is a great deal wrong with trying to legislate them. And from a pragmatic standpoint, there’s no political capital in alienating large blocs of voters who would otherwise support sound and responsible fiscal policies.
If you want to fix the Republican party, listen to the intellectual members of the GOP that switched sides in this election to vote for Obama. They have the insights that could make the next Republican candidate a contender.
And — bad news for you extremists — the magic word is “moderate”.

Way to go Arnold, don’t be a girly-man like most of those other republicans out there.

Hey Arnold, how about not flying to Ohio in 2012 one week before election to campaign for another “GOP value” nutcase ?

Too bad most republicans will not listen to Arnold and just keep on moving farther and farther rightward. And as they do they will lose more and more supporters.
Unfortunately the social conservatives, the far right wing has taken over the leadership and so, they now have tunnel vision where they think if only they can go even farther out to the right ignoring that most people are in the middle.
Someday the republicans will figure out they don’t need to move farther right (which they are pretty far now) but, to the middle and dump the social conservatives and the wedge issues and values garbage and get back to the business of conducting real politics and governing.

The affords a good chance to show the contrast between the kind of government our great leaders of the past gave us as a nation, and the immoral cesspool that is in place today. Using the memorable quotes that follow, compare and see if you can figure out why today our government, families, and individual lives by the millions are falling apart.
James Madison: “We have staked the whole future of Amedrican civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future upon the capacity of each and all of us to govedrn ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten Commandments today?
QUESTION: If one wanted to destroy a nation like Amedrica, would he not look to what the Founders said was the cornerstone (Laws of God) upon which our Republic was built,and then ATTACK THAT VERY FOUNDATION?
http://www.wastewatchersinc.org

Richard, I think you are wrong. Why are you against America? Yes, we have problems but the People do know what is right – even if some of our leaders don’t.
From the Founders:
As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] … it is declared … that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries….
The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.
– Treaty of Tripoli (1797), the English version of which was carried unanimously by the Senate, signed into law by John Adams
The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
– Thomas Jefferson
We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition … In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.
– George Washington
The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense.
– Thomas Paine
I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies.
– Benjamin Franklin
The founders supported your right to think anything you want – but NOT to force me to believe what you believe. I may criticize your beliefs but I would never suggest that my views should be made into laws to govern you. We are all free or none of us are.
As Franklin also said “Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.” The only evidence I see of this is from certain churches and it appears to me that We the People have just rejected that kind of thinking in the recent election. I am proud to be an American!

HE IS RIGHT ! THE REPUBLICANS NEED TO CHANGE IDEAS, GENERATION AND GET EDUCATED ! MAY BE GET SOME VOTES IN 30 YEARS TIME !! THEY CAN´T BE READY SO SOON ! WE ALL THANK GOD FOR THE CHANGE WE MADE AFTER YEARS OF BEING TAKEN FOR GRANTED !

All I have to say is “R.I.N.O.

Schwarzenegger’s talk is “nonsense” not GOP “Values” talk. That schmuck may think that values aren’t worth sticking up for but, it doesn’t follow that the other GOP agree with him. He has no right to call himself a Republican as far as I’m concerned.

What does a conservative mean when he talks about basic right from wrong? I know what I mean when I talk about basic right and wrong. Right is love of God. How do we love God. What do we give someone who literally already has everything? We respect and take care of his property. What is God’s property? Everything that is, our planet, and each other in particular. That of course makes me a liberal and a democrat.
Now what does a conservative, social conservative mean when he talks about basis right from wrong?

Arnold is co-opting the core message of Democrats.
I guess if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em!

Tommy Chong said about Arnold ” I got high with that dude” on TMZ. When asked about it days later, Arnold did not refute it.

Speaking of alternative energy and infrastructures, people need to be put to work on a space-based solar power program. SBSP will coordinate missions in NASA, DOE, and DOD, and it will align presidential policies in energy, space, security, commerce, environment, and education. See the National Security Space Office of the Pentagon’s 10/10/07 release: “Space-based Solar Power as An Opportunity for Strategic Security”. Built from lunar materials for cost savings and placed in geo orbit, a single sunsat can contribute 5 GW to the electric grid, about the output of 10 fission plants. It will do this without introducing pollution or waste heat into the atmosphere. With the electrification of transportation, it can run fleet vehicles as well. SBSP will encourage kids to do well in science and math, for these are the primary jobs that will be created by this program.

I respect Arnold more and more. He doesn’t tow the party line and is pretty honest for a politician. To whoever was saying Arnold has the same problems McCain has, well, I think John McCain did extremely well considering the Bush monkey he couldn’t get off his back and considering the recent economic problems. McCain and Swarzenegger actually have it right as far as the GOP goes. I would consider voting Republican again if they were more like this.

Republican values are based on small Government. And by small Government, we mean a Government that controls/dictates/monitors every detail and aspect of your private lives. We, the Government, will make all of your choices for you, you really don’t even require an education or even command of a single language, just TRUST US. :)

…with eyes squinty and fingers wiggling in a trance inducing manner…
TRUST US, TRUST THE REPUBLICANS, CMON JUST TRUST US, ….
…oh ya Arnie, I’m pretty sure it’s working

What we need in this country is a government who is not afraid of being politically incorrect every time a crisis comes up. This nation was founded under judeo-christian philosophy and beliefs. Suddently we want to make every one comfortable by disregarding our beliefs and way of life for those of foreigners coming into our soil. Those people coming in from other countries with different beliefs and ideals must assimilate themselves to their new surroundings. Their ideas will be welcome provided they don’t clash with the established culture and way of life. Our language is English and everyone coming into this country should be given a reasonable time to learn it or else leave. Obviously, we will not require them to become experts at it, but know enough to handle themselves without an interpreter. Anyone reading this is probably thinking what’s with this guy? We are writing about politics and he is off to something else. Well, all this is part of the same ignorance that most of us Americans are surrounded by. The interpretation of issues such as: church and state, right to carry guns, gay marriage,abortion, global warming,race versus ethnicity, etc, etc,. All these issues are so much misunderstood that is ashamed that those claiming to have so much education and knowledge don’t understand themselves. People worry about things that they need not worry about. Don’t have time to finish…will continue at some other time. Open your eyes people and don’t cry so much.