Joe the Plumber Questions Obama’s Loyalty to the U.S.

Who the hell is Joe the Plumber?
Is he licensed?
Does he pay his taxes?
Why did his wife leave him?

GOP almost voter caged Joe the Plumber.

Joe is your average nutcase. Not Crazy enough to be harm, not crazy enough to be a hobo.

Remember, these are the people that McCain has said that he’s “proud of”.

I used to support Sen. Obama, but the mainstream media is just out to get this guy! They crop and edit, splice and combine a lifetime of videotape so they can get 30 seconds to make him look like he’s attacking someone else’s patriotism. What about the other part of the story, ABC News. The Obama machine went into overdrive digging into this man’s tax history, welfare history, and child-support history (he’s a single parent), and when they found out he was clean, they attacked him for not being a real plumber because 1) he doesn’t have an Ohio plumbing license and 2) Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden stands on that stump, attacking Joe the Plumber’s patriotism, cynically and mockingly rhetorically asking, giggling and shaking their heads that would make Comedy Central proud, “What kind of plumber makes $250,000 a year?” so, mainstream media, why do you hide embarassing material on the Obama campaign, such as Sen. Obama praising Palestinian terrorist Rashid Khalidi and cynically telling coal companies, “you can build them, but it will bankrupt you,” yet manufacturer controversial stories about the McCain campaign, such as the “Palin is stoking hate” story where someone allegedly said “kill him,” which the Secret Service, after intense investigation, found those allegations to be fabricated.

Why is Joe the Plumber still being representative of Americans? He has a background of domestic abuse problems along with tax evasion and no actual plumbing license. Fortunately, he’s not a typical kind of American guy, but a common kind of sleaze.

Has Joe served in our military??

Obamacrat for McCain
What about racism towards Muslims in the U.S. or voter intimidation in Georgia, or maybe the voter caging in Ohio. Maybe Palin isn’t qualified to be VP, and maybe McCain has wrong the most negative campaign in this entire election. Nothing Hillary or Obama did in the primaries compares to what McCain is doing. Throw your vote away to the Cheney endorsee.

I think what Joe was trying to say — keeping in mind that he is not a professional wordsmith like our esteemed Jake the Journalist — is that the people of the United States, throughout its history, have never embraced a socialist ideology. The closest we came to that was in the late forties and early fifties when some war weary folks became enamored with the socialist propaganda coming from the Eastern Block countries, most notably the USSR. But even in spite of the heavy handedness of Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover, only a very small minority of people in this country sought solace in socialism. That, in a nutshell, is what Joe was saying in his own way.

jcarob
The only thing is Obama nor any democrat are running a socialist platform. Being liberal is not equal to socialist by a mile.

Oh who cares? This freak needs to go crawl back under his rock with the rest of the freaks! Since when does a nobody with no brain, no money and apparently NO CLUE get so much press!

Why doesn’t Obama take care of his Aunt?
Funny how Obama supporters hhave a rug with a HUGE lump underneath it, from all of the Obama scandals, terroists and lies that they and the MSM have swept underneath it.

Durrs:Oh who cares? This freak needs to go crawl back under his rock with the rest of the freaks! Since when does a nobody with no brain, no money and apparently NO CLUE get so much press!
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I was wondering the same thing about empty suit Obama.

Wow, Tapper. “Does Senator McCain approve of this?” That’s all you have to say? Just a day ago, you found another way to bring up campaign finance with the Obama/Auntie story–now, here we have yet another campaign “surrogate” questioning Obama’s patriotism, including McCain himself, and all you can do is check with him about it?
Why not go into your usual diatribe about how this is wrong, and has no place in political campaigns. Why not critique McCain for breaking his campaign pledge of having integrity and sticking to the issues. Why not point out, that McCain is hiding behind Joe the Plumber to say what he likes without getting in trouble for it–just the other day, Joe was agreeing with a voter that if Obama were elected, it would be the death of Israel.
Oh, your not going to do any of that? Color me surprised, yet I am sure that if this story was at all connected to campaign finance, or one of Biden’s “gaffes” you would have plenty to say.

That’s it neo-cons, keep calling Obama a socialist, a communist, un-American, un-Patriotic and Godless, he could use a few more points up before Tuesday, you morons.

Joe has lost his bipartisan “ordinary American” appeal and his act is now hurting McCain. Unless there’s been a shift in the final hours of the race, this is not what McCain believes.

isn’t joe famous enough to tell them to stop calling him joe the plumber?
i mean, mccain cannot even run a politcal campaign, how will he run the country.
john mccain has made himself a joke
“the MAC is BACK”
Mac the mavrick is back.
it is sad, mr. mccain deserved better people to advise him in running his campaign.

Kim
Really, Proof. This is McCain’s campaign in a nutshell. All shock no value. 10 gallon hat with no cows.

MCCAIN APPROVE OF WHAT? DOES HE NEED TO?
HE SIMPLY SAID OBAMA’S POSITIONS ARE RADICAL, SOCIALISTIC AND UNAMERICAN.. WHETHER YOU CALL IT CHANGE OR BY ANY OTHER NAME, IT IS VERY STRANGE, NOT FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM. WE MAY BAIL OUR BANKS BUT WE WOULD EVENTUALLY SELL THEM BACK TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
BILL CLINTON WITH ALL HIS POLITICAL POWER AND GOOD ECONOMY COULD NOT INSTALL UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.. NOW, OBAMA CLAIMS THAT HE COULD..
IN THE ECONOMIC MESS, HE WOULD BUILD A BIG BUREAUCRACY TO SUPPORT A WELFARE SYSYTEM AND A FREE HEALTHCARE AND CUT TAXES FOR 95% OF PEOPLE.., ONLY DREAMERS FOLLOW THIS GUY.. I BET YOU HE’S GOT PIE IN THE SKY TOO.

kim,
i am sure you can try to voice your opinion without lying on obama.
if they are deporting his aunt it is because she should be.
she was her illegally.
obama said let the law take it’s course.
if obama had intervened and his aunt had stayed, you would have been complaining about that.
obama rarely had any dealing with this woman, other than recognizing her as a family memeber in his book.
you can be against obama, without lying.
does your conscious bother you when you lie like that?

Who the hell is this clown and why does Fox News give him a soapbox to spew his uninformed poisonous nonsense?
I QUESTION JOE THE FAKE PLUMBER’S PATRIOTISM.

“Joe where are you. I thought you’d be here.” – John McCain

Joe did not serve the military because he
is busy looking for a job.
When he found a job he is busy spreading lies.
He is not qualified to serve in the
military because he’s nerver been
loyal to anyone, including his own wife.

Its a sad day in America when Democrats elect a “National Security Risk” to President of the USA.

In Chicago politics, if you’re losing, you can always go dig up a couple more votes.

joe is not a plumber, he is really a bucket of rocks just like mc cain and his showgirl palin. who cares what joe has to say really, how could he influence anyone, when he does not know who he is

well, kim if you have not heard what obama will do for the country to get it back on track, you have not been listening, or you heard but refused to believe, what he is saying he will try to do.
my question for you is tell us what you have heard mccain say he will do for you?
all i hear is mccain and palin knocking obama and his plan.
but when it comes to hearing mccain’ plan—-crickets…

Kim
I understand why you would be confused, McCain doesn’t talk about the issues. Obama is going to bring transparency to the government to allow for accountability, bring diplomacy back to the White House, Remove Lobbyist from Executive Staff, etc.

Was Joe The Not Plumber in Alaska in 1993? Isn’t Joe’s name really Samuel Wurzelbacher? What if Joe knows Palin from Alaska, and he what if he is a plant in Ohio by Palin’s request? That would explain his sudden appearance in Obama’s local rally, and why he is now speaking out for McCain. Has Wurzelbacher served time in the military? We might want to check out Samuel J Wurzelbacher much closer to determine who planted him in that Ohio crowd, and where he is really from. Smells like a moose to me. Palin or McCain?

70% of Hillary voters ARE voting for Obama.

Who care’s about joe the plumber comments? Owes taxes , not licensed,
no wife,lost his job, McCain is suckering him up ,if you beleive McCain you deserve more of the same, 4 more years and you won’t have anything

Hey Joe! Have you paid your taxes yet???

This guy’s only credential is that he’s average, possibly below average. He is being used to spread the “scary” stereotypes that have been created regarding Senator Obama. Thankfully, most Americans seem to be able to sniff out such garbage.

You all remember Barry O pleading for “Democrats for a Day” to help him win early on? Many Republicans registered as Democrats and voted for Hillary Clinton in states like Ohio. Think those same Republicans will be voting for The One? Hell NO they won’t!! BWAHAHA!!

I guess saying Obama reminded him of Sammy Davis, Jr. wasn’t bad enough.
Jake, isn’t it time someone (you, for example) ask McCain whether he’s really willing to associate with this extremist?

It would be hilarious if Joe turned out to be a domestic terrorist. (The type that bombs clinics).

Joe the Plumber is just a step below Sarah Palin in ignorance.

Please stop giving this WIFE BEATER airtime! He beat the crap out of BOTH of his wives!!!!
STOP propping up this filthe as a regular AMERICAN! Real men don’t punch women!
Barack Obama LOVES this country more than that JOKE cloned “Joe the plumber” loves women!
Joe Biden (a real man) saved women from flithe like Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher.

MM,
carol is one of the many dems voting for Mccain. Ha ha ha ha

The media needs to stop treating this guy as if he’s some established political expert. He’s a nobody, sucking up his 15 minutes of fame, with no political science background or experience in politics. He’s starting to believe his own hype and it’s revolting. Stop forcing him on us, please!

If the GOP and Fox keep pandering to the undereducated, then that’s all they will have left. I think 2008 will be a crossroads for the Republicans as many intelligent Republicans will realize that the party has become a bastion for “Joe the Plumber” and his fans. You can already hear the chants for Palin in 2012 — the GOP is becoming a one or two issue party of intolerance.

S Adams
Joe symbolizes the electorate that has the irrational fear of diversity or someone that is different. They seek their paranoid conspiracy theories to justify their irrational claims and seek to spread that fear so they don’t feel alone…. I feel sorry for you.

Let’s see birth certificate, marxist, socialist, Muslim, “redistributor in chief”, un-American, loyalty in question, communist, Hitler is coming back, anti-semite, “Who is Obama.”
It just goes on and on and on, ad nauseum. Just remember:
Ignorance is curable.
Willful ignorance is terminal.

Palin will appoint this
unlicensed plumber as the
head of the water and
sewer department in
Anchorage, AK. The
announcement will be
made during McCain’s
concession speech.

Joe, the tax dodger!!!!!
Just another LEMON HEAD!!!!

Neil Cavuto said McCain has no convictions when it comes to economic policy.

WONDER IF HE IS EVEN REGISTERED TO VOTE—–JUST ANOTHER OF MCCAIN FREAKS—–
we should start calling mccain pt barnum.
i sure am glad this is almost over mccain is torturing us.
obama—biden

S Adams
Joe symbolizes the electorate that has the irrational fear of diversity or someone that is different. They seek their paranoid conspiracy theories to justify their irrational claims and seek to spread that fear so they don’t feel alone…. I feel sorry for you.
Posted by: MM | Nov 2, 2008 8:01:50 PM
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Yeah, Marxism and socialism are different for America and not what this country was founded on. There is nothing wrong with diversity, I do however, take exception to policies and positions that will harm this country.
The fear that has spread across America at the thought of Obama being president comes from Obama himself. Everyday, there is a new unsavory character that is connected to Obama.
Past judgement is a reflection of future judgement.
Don’t feel sorry for me, feel sorry for our country.

Joe the Plumber doesn’t speak for me or most Americans. If McCain thinks he is an effective surrogate, then I think that says a lot about the campaign he is running. Certainly there are many average Americans that would have been better suited to represent the ticket?

mccain is not very smart—but he has a sense of humor—palin—the bag lady–and now the plunger freak—cannot wait to see who he brings on next–or better yet-WHAT.

Are Samuel the Celebrity’s unpaid taxes state or federal?
If federal, that means he didn’t pay his share to support the military, which receives a considerable part of the taxpayer’s dollar.
And in my book, that would make Samuel the Celebrity, not Obama, the disloyal one.

This guy is way past his fifteen minutes of (in)fame(y)!
I’ll be so glad to wake up Tuesday morning to President-Elect Obama and not have to hear this guy talking bull-pucky anymore. He is just too stupid for words! But, for a party that chose Sarah Palin for soulmate, what can we expect?
Obama/Biden 08

Maybe Joe the Tax Dodger can be a real American and pay his taxes so our great troops who are fighting an illegal war can receive the necessary gear and medical care they deserve. Why can’t someone just tell this dead beat that his 15 minutes of fame is over and done with. Who on this planet really gives a pig’s behind as to what this idiot says? This is what irks me about the press, they keep letting the tax dodger talk. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!

I think the question has some merit. How extreme are Obama’s views? That is not a racist question. We know that he toasted Khalidi on the tape that the LA Times will not release. What is the Obama vision for America? That is a legitimate question.
He says he if for re-writing parts of the constitution to include the equitable distribution of wealth. How far does that go?

Does McCain approve of this….
Sen. McCain believes in free speech and freedom of expression.
Sen. McCain does not believe in imposing his thoughts on Joe the Plumber, unlike the ObamACORNs where everyone is supposed to goosestep in single file.

S Adams
Prove that you friend was in Obama’s campaign office. Lets see some documentation. You can’t. How come with you guys it’s always a friend of yours that blah, blah, blah, and blah.
We Obama people are through with the gop raping the American dream. We are going to get America back to where it can once again be respected by not only its citizens but the world as well. I hope that the Democrats win a huge majority in government. That’s the only way that all of the damage that Bush and his ilk can be undone. The gop has no clue how much of the Constitution the Bush team has trampled on in the last eight years. We will get the hell out of Iraq. If it had been a just war we would have WON years ago. This mess has gone on longer than World War II. It is just another symptom of the corruption and greed that goes to sleep every night in the White House.

Well, John McCain and Sarah Palin still haven’t provided any economic plan to talk about. They must really like Obama since they talk about him all the time. Talking about the opponent all the time makes that opponent more likeable, a communications strategy. I’m surprised Sarah didn’t learn that in her Broadcast Journalism degree.
Elect Obama.Biden with Clinton for change 2008.

Concerned in OH
One Man
Rush Limbagh…..

longest 15 minutes ever.
I guess we should administer patriotism tests in all workplaces and schools. Maybe have big banners of our leaders, but that’s just so North Korea isn’t it?
yup, sounds like democracy to me Joe!

Joe does have the right to speak his opinion. Joe does have the right to make himself look the fool. He doesn’t realize that McCain/Palin are playing him like a violin. Wait till the concert is over and Joe will be gone, gone, gone.

I was a Clinton supporter and republican, now I’m an Obama.Biden with Clinton for change 2008 suppoter. This is the very first time I have in over 20 years voted for a Democrat. I was a Reagan Democrat. Now I am an Obama Democrat.
Go. Fight. Win!
Go and Vote and make your voices heard and your vote count. With your vote, magic happens!
Elect the finest Americans and greatest Patriots, Obama.Biden with Clinton for change 2008.

McCain didn’t think a stupid woman at his side was enough for the campaign, so he brought in a stupid man.
Now we have John, Sarah & Joe.
3 for 3 all of em’ are nuts.

This man says SS should go
Obama would mean the death of isreal
He is cheating other plumbers that have lisence.
he is trying to write a book and produce a country music album and run for congress now
his linsence is revoked yet he got one in ohio illegally
this man is a petty criminal that doesn’t pay his taxes and talks too much and he is not the average american because Americans are not stupid

If Joe The Not Plumber had anything to do with the half aunt, he will have committed a felony, and is looking at prison time. Yeah, he can be the Not Plumber in prison away from the public.

Joe represents millions of middle Americans, bots…so be worried as they are not all buying Obama’s patriotism!
Then why run with country haters?
NEVER B. HUSSEIN

Go Obama!! It’s interesting that Bush graduated close to the bottom of his class and McCain was close to the very bottom of his class. It’s hard for the neocon’s to grasp this but Obama graduated at close to the top of his class. He did it as an American citizen and as a patriot. This really confuses the neocon’s. Go Obama!!
Obama is finally going to bring class and intelligence back to the White House. Go Obama!!

the GOP … says “When did Republicans gain the authority to determine who in this nation is a patriot and who is not?”
We all have that authority in the US. It is one of those simple freedoms – freedom of speech. Joe the plumber has it and uses it when he sees things he does not agree with.
If you think that a politician is an extremist, we all have the right to think it and say it – at least until Pelosi, Reid, and Obama get into office.

OBAMA and his family as are loyal to the great USA as Bin-Laden was on 9/11/01. His wife isn’t proud of our country, his priest hates white America, his aunt came in here illegally and is MOOCHING off of MY HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS! As an American and taxpayer, I am outraged that Obama can stand a chance at being our commander in chief. How can someone whose own wife admits she isn’t proud of her country be allowed to take charge of us? How can a man whose spiritual leader would like to see white America fall be allowed to rule?
Obama is only running for President in order to boost himself. He really does not care about the fate of America. Or maybe it’s not that he doesn’t care, it’s just that he doesn’t know how to help fix the problems. Obama has no real plans of his own. Everything is borrowed or shall I say, STOLEN from others. Heck, he even says McCain’s plans are better than his.
And what about his VP? Could he have picked a bigger idiot? It seems like every time Biden opens his mouth, he says something stupid. People, is this REALLY someone you want as a VP or possibly PRESIDENT? Biden and Michelle Obama are probably the dumbest members of Barry’s campaign. Every time they open their mouths, they say something idiotic. The only smart thing Biden ever said was that Obama isn’t qualified to be President. Mr. Biden, I would like to extend an personal invitation for you to come campaign for McCain! We’d love to have Joe the Plumber and Joe the Idiot on our team.
If Biden left, it would open up a spot for Jake to get a gig in Obama’s administration. Good thing there are vacancies in the janitorial department. That is your ultimate goal, right Jakie? You can’t REALLY be this blind and naive, right? Don’t worry though Jake, your secret is safe with me. I won’t tell anyone, especailly anyone on the Internet!
Jake, I’d like to remind you that John & I are counting on your vote on Tuesday. We appreciate your vote and thank you for being a um… greatish American.

Posted by: democratic | Nov 2, 2008 8:38:21 PM
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Don’t forget Biden, he also graduated at the bottom of his class. He ws caught lying on a resume stating that he graduated at the top, but actually it was 76 out of 85. He also failed ROTC and was kicked out and recieved at F for plagerizing a paper in english.
Let’s not forget his embarrassing moment in 1988 when he was caught plagerizing a British lawmakers biography speech.

today, He’s free to say what he wants. He just has no sway with most Americans. Check the polls.

Does anybody here think that blacks and ignorant 18-25 year olds can really determine the outcome of this election?
Really?
Sad day in America when the Joe the Plumbers are overturned by liberal lefties. I’ve never seen such an inaduquate candidate as Obama in my 50 years.
I comfort myself knowing the trolls on these blogs are usually in the Obama camp, as the good conservatives wouldn’t waste their time here….and they are the MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY THAT HAS HISTORICALLY VOTED RIGHT OF CENTER…..where is B. Hussein? So far left he’s back in his childhood home of Indonesia.

S Adams
Educate me the burden of proof is always on the accuser. Give me the Obama policy document with those doctrines in them and maybe I consider your ravings sane.

Bush has beens spying on Ameican Citizens for years ILLEGALLY. McCain has supported this rape of our constitution. I guess Obama being a socialist will be nothing compared to what we have had for the last eight years. I fear Bush and McCain more than any socialist. Go Obama!!
Proud Democrat for Barack H Obama!! Yeah, Baby.

A person can still be “loyal” to the United States while wanting to change it to the USSA. Socialists don’t necessarily want to destroy America; many of them honestly believe THIS time it will work, even though it has failed in every country which has tried it.
It’s America’s turn to try. My wife and I are in our 70′s and thought we’d be dead before the inevitable happens. We’ve always known this would eventually be a Socialist country; we just thought it would take a little longer.
But here we go, and it’ll be quite a ride! Like a roller-coaster with no uphill sections. Whoopee!

NM,
Obama lives here. Was he born here? Your guess is as good as mine. Obama, a “man” running for President should care more. He is judged by the company he keeps. Hence, Rev. Wright’s outbursts will and should obviously be used against him. His wife’s outbursts clearly shows how little the Obama family loves America.

Rhys
The problem with that is that is only one person running has a socialist and he is on neither the Republicans or Democratic parties. I think what the Republicans are doing is channeling there inner McCarthyism.

Watching election coverage will be like watching a football game which ends in a score of 56 to 0.
It’s a done deal, and has been for weeks or months. And the funny part is that Obama’s crew did not NEED to “fix” the election in several states. He could have won honestly, just by a slightly smaller margin.
McCain’s campaign was always off the track from the get-go.
This week is not an election, it’s a coronation.

this one you have to do on your own.

I’ve always wondered why trying to point out things wrong with your nation makes people question your loyalty.
I love the country I serve. I love it enough to not what an entrenched oligarchy destroy it.
Go ready a History book people.
Point out any society in 7000 years of human history that has used free-market economic theory and prospered.

today
No you parsed Obama’s words.

SPC writes: “Point out any society in 7000 years of human history that has used free-market economic theory and prospered.”
Uhhh… The Unites States of America, for one. Canada, for another.

mm —gives new meaning to plumber.

I guess he wants to hurt McCain’s chances even more.

The best thing about the “change” which is now upon us is that it makes dying MUCH more attractive for us dinosaurs.
Those old-timers who say “I feel sorry for the children” should stop worrying. The kids have been taught for years that capitalism is evil and socialism is good.
The younger generations never knew the freedoms we enjoyed when we were their age, so they won’t “miss” those times, when there were half as many people in this overpopulated mess.
To younger citizens, government control from womb to tomb is perfectly normal and natural.

Rhys
Not in my supposedly Un-American, big city, elitist school.

It cost money to take the plumber’s test, and more money to keep up license. Since Joe The Not Plumber hasn’t paid his back taxes, he is barred from taking any tests until he pays his back taxes, Ohio state law.

Yes, MM… I suppose you think I’m a “woodchuck”. I see you’re reverting to insults, but I’ll respond anyway. I only went to college for one year (flunked two out of 5 subjects), and my IQ was measured twice: 130 (average, not genius).
Of course, my grandfather and father both made their living in politics and both won the Pulitzer prize, but then I cannot be expected to have absorbed any political knowledge just because I grew up immersed in it.
As a former manager and roadie for rock bands and a DJ for 20-some years, I never met any liberals, according to you. NOW who is making the stupid statement?! Jeez!

I am a Republican in the West who will be voting Democrat this year because losers like “Joe the Plumber” are the new symbols of my party. He and Palin both are embarassments who insult my intelligence.

Joe has no right to question anybodies loyalty of the country.

Rhys,
Obama isn’t a socialist. What makes you say that?
That’s the stuff the GOP which you quit has been spouting.

Grey Matter, why are those who support socialistic philosophy so reluctant to use the word? Are they ashamed of it?
Socialism is a legitimate form of government, and is nothing new. I personally don’t believe it will help our country, but I also know it’s here.
Maybe this time, we CAN get it right, even though other countries have had little long-term success with it.
When I say Obama is a Socialist, it is not an insult, it’s a description. Why make it a “bad word”?

When Joe the Plumber pays his taxes he will have earn the right to talk about loyalty to the U.S.

Good for Joe the Plumber! Saying what thousands of Americans are still wondering! Two days until election day and it remains a question to many… Who is this man? The mainstream media has investigated Joe the Plumber more thoroughly than it has Barack Obama.

McCain has been a socialist since birth. His dad was military, McCain was military turned Senator for over 26 years. McCain has been on the government payroll all his life, which is paid by taxpayers. Communist Rupublican Right Guard regime as McCain is supports distribution of wealth to the rich and rich corporations, and next would be to Communist members, and those who aren’t in the party must give all their income and possessions to the Communist Party. Palin only knows government payroll also since she has been PTA President, Mayor, Governor and wants to be VP of government, which is socialistic, since taxpayers pay the bills and expenses of the United States of America government. Know your facts on socialism, and McCain.Palin’s Communist Republican Right Guard regime. Rovian world domination of skinheads card carrying Communist Republicans.

Joe the (unlicensed) Plumber,
Do you know what “Democracy” means? Demos- Greek for people. Rule by the people. Elected officials. Freedom of speech. Equal rights. The whole nice bunch. A system of GOVERNANCE.
Do you know what “Socialism” means? It’s more of an economic philosophy, not a system of governance. It’s antithesis would be capitalism.

The first question I have is why is Fox News (and I use the term “news” facetiously) even interviewing this fool? Why is ABC passing on these ignorant comments from an individual who lies about his credentials (i.e., no plumbing license), his patriotism (owes back taxes), and even his name. Has Joe-the-Not-A-Real-Plumber served in the US military? Has he served his community or country in any way? I haven’t heard that he has. So maybe Joe-the-I-Want-to-be-a-celebrity needs to keep his uneducated opinions to himself. No one with more than 1 neuron sparking really cares what this guy thinks.

Joe missed his calling as a circus clown. I guess he is making up for lost time.

Odd that he looks like Mr. Clean from the advertisement, when everything he says is so dirty and foul.

I think that what Joe the Plumber was trying to say that anyone who isn’t an idiot like me is anti-American.

So Grey Matter:
You think taking from a social program Medicare and Social Security to give $5000 insurance credit isn’t socialism? Medicare and social security are socialism programs that McCain is now receiving. So, rob Peter to pay Paul is the way you solve 2 wrongs to make a right? McCain is proposing to cut Medicare and Social security (both socialism), and create a social program (insurance credit socialism), and create a deficit for seniors. These are our parents and grandparents, possibly even you who are receiving these social programs. When they have cuts, who pays for their bills? You and I do or will, and all with a $5000.00 credit.
My current health care premiums are over $6000.00 annually. My family deductions are $7500.00 and my out of pocket is $4000.00, totalling $17,500.00 annually. I’m still $12,500 short with McCain, and I have to add my parents and grandparents to pay their remaining balances that were cut from their Medicare and Social Security benefits. Where’s the logic in that when you are taking from one social program and creating another one with the same socialistic funds. That is kiting, which Phil Gramm should know about. It’s creating money from other sources to creat pyramids of not real and not backed funds. It’s still the same money from social programs. It’s illegal.

It’s easy to name call- What do you all do for a living? Share the wealth is NOT an American principle. We are a capitalist society – and Grey Matter – isn’t that why you came here? Democrats claim to love free speech but the responses on this page surely point out the biggest problem with the left; if someone disagrees with you mock, insult, and degrade them until everyone who doesn’t agree with you is afraid to speak their minds. Let Joe speak, if you don’t like what he says, be grateful you live in America. Grow up and stop calling names!!!!!!

One more unvetted person, Joe the Not Plumber, in the McCain campaign. What’s next, McCain really a true blue Communists with his loyalties to Vietnam, and Palin a true blue loyalist to Communist Russia? We don’t know do we?

To I’m Right
When Joe the Plumber ceases to spread his half-wit understandings about the candidates, this election and what America actually stands for I will stop calling that duck a duck. We bloggers have free speech too!

Good loyal Americans pay their taxes, get their licenses, and DON’T have domestic violence charges. He isn’t the average Joe and he is entitled to his opinion but it shouldn’t be important!

If Joe the Not Plumber wants sympathy, have him go on a Jerry Springer show, and get his 15 minutes of fame. They are more of his type.

if i had a soapbox
i’d cast aspersions in the mo-o-rning
i’d cast em in the evening
all over this la-and
i’d cast aspersions bout loyalty
i’d cast aspersions on FNC
i’d cast aspersions and foolishness, to my brothers and my sisters, all over this land

Next time I get the opportunity to go on national television and spout off, someone please remind me to be tactful and thoughtful. I’d hate to go down in history as nothing more that some kind of raging hater.

Instead of guys like Joe the Plumber whining about lawyers’ fees they should cease and desist violence toward women.

Posted by: Joe | Nov 2, 2008 11:28:24 PM
Thank you, Joe, for expressing my sentiment.
“But even more, I worry about the people who populate the Internet blogs -the hateful fascists in Liberal clothing, demanding that in order to have liberty we must all think as they do, speak as they do, act as they do, and never, never, never question. These are the people happy to have voted in the Obama/Pelosi/Reid troika. In a sick spin on Voltaire, these folks will not only disagree with your opinion but will fight to the death your attempt to have one.”
I was struggling to find the right words to describe what bothers me to no end – a total inability of everybody to make the liberals stop talking over everybody and using the method of intimidation to win. What a poor quality of character. Sadly, birds of a feather flock together, or also the fish stinks from the head.
It is my privilege to publicly agree with you.

Janice said:
In your search of hate mongers, see McCain/Palin.
Why, Janice? How have they hated? By questioning the associations of a man who would be president of the United States? My God, woman, we should ALL be questioning this man’s motives – and those of Biden, McCain and Palin! Please, feel free to complain about Palin’s connection to AIP, but at the same time, explain to me why you want to elect a man with ties to Ayers, Wright, Flegler and Khalidi. You see, I don’t mind the truth. I don’t consider vetting the candidates to be hateful.
No, the only hate is the vitriol spewed against a man who asked a simple question, and got attacked by the vicious thugs that make up the “Hope is Change” mob – including their MSM lapdogs. The point that is missed by the fascist-left is that you should not have to fear the Inquisition if you just ask a question of your elected officials (or those who would be elected). It’s amazing how much we know of Joe the Plumber, and yet that same massive machine never told us about Obama’s aunt living in the country illegally. Now THERE’S some heavy vetting.
And by the way, please don’t trot out the tired rhetoric about the “Kill Him” shouts – that has been debunked by a secret service agent who was there.
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2008/10/16/news/sc_times_trib.20081016.a.pg11.tt16newsecret_s1.2018812_top8.txt
How about the fact that two Kentucky students are being threatened with expulsion and criminal charges for hanging Obama in effigy, but that a Californian who hung Palin in effigy was simply passed off as a “Halloween prank”? To me, it’s the bias, the hateful, cruel bias that you and your cohorts show on a day-in and day-out basis.
In the long run, though, I’m not too worried. You may have purchased a couple of years of power, but my guess is that as soon as the emperor is shown to be as naked as the hatred of his followers, the normal, good-natured, God-fearing, neighbor-helping, family-loving middle class of America will come to its senses and the Grand Liberal Experiment will end – first with a complete recapture of Congress and then an easy ouster of a single-term lame-duck president.
Joe

Joe the plumber has become an opinion leader in America!!! Please!. He does not know what he is talking about. Ask him to define Socialism.

“Joe the Programmer. Those are facts (tax evasion, domestic abuse, unlicensed) about Joe the Plumber, someone you apparently hold in high esteem. A statement of facts is not a diatribe.
Posted by: kat | Nov 3, 2008 12:18:26 AM”
See, here is the fascist-liberal attack-dog mentality in full bloom. Distortion combined with a general lack of knowledge.
“Tax Evasion” is defined as attempting to avoid paying taxes by illegal means. While Joe may be behind on his taxes, like tens of thousands of Americans (we all know someone with money problems), he has never been accused of illegally attempting to evade taxes. Please point to a fact – any fact – backing up this fallacy. Until you do I’ll call this Lie Number One.
Moving on… domestic abuse. Where did you get that one? Because part of his divorce decree asked for funds for women’s shelters? That happens to be standard in many counties. No criminal complaint of domestic violence has ever been filed against Joe the Plumber. We’ll call this Lie Number Two.
On to the only piece of truth in your entire post. Joe is unlicensed. OMG! He doesn’t have a license! Do you happen to recall where exactly he said he DID have a license? Let’s call this Misdirection Number One.
So, two outright lies and one misdirection – this is the Fascist-Liberal technique that truly frightens me. It’s bad enough that the Democratic nominee has trouble with being honest and open, starting with matching funds at the beginning of the election and leading up to the fact that his aunt is in the country illegally. Or that we know almost nothing about his real politics until some poor shmuck happens to ask him a question that his handlers weren’t prepared for.
No, the thing that Americans should be afraid of is that if the munt’s and kat’s and janice’s of the world ever do get power, we won’t be allowed to ask questions. Instead, it will be attack, attack, attack, misdirect, lie, cover up.
Wake up Vonnegut, the firemen are coming!
Joe

“There’s not a single document espousing that Joe had any sort of domestic abuse problems…”
But yes, Joe there is. Joe the Plumber was accused of domestic violence by divorce papers filed in 1997. Anyway, part of the court costs included in the divorce for Joe were charges from the Battered Women’s Shelter.
Try some civility,Joe, when you disagree, rather than accusing others of diatribes and lying. Your’e reflecting quite well the divisiveness of the McCain campaign.

Joey said: “DT You love Joe the liar , I hate people like you that act as if all he did was ask a question.”
You don’t get it, do ya, Joey? If you put down your hate goggles for a minute you might understand what I’m saying.
The fact is that it doesn’t matter who Joe the Plumber is – he could be as wonderful as Oprah or as evil as Hannibal Lecter. He has a right to ask a question without fear of people trying to rip his life apart. Now, by “stomping” for McCain, he does put himself in the public eye and so his background is fair game. But – and this is the part you Joe haters are all missing – no matter what Joe’s personal background, it still doesn’t change the most important point: Obama’s answer.
The spread the wealth concept is clear and simple and you either agree or disagree, and you either vote for it or against it. That’s the American way.
But dragging someone through the muck just because they dared to ask a question, that’s as anti-American as it gets. And your seething hatred is what scares me even more than a President who is farther left the FDR – and that scares me a lot!
Joe

the biggest story that will come from this, is the investigation to see if someone in the bush adm. connected with the mccain camp. leaked this confidential information.
the republican have been know to do this kind of stuff before.
this could be a little watergate in the making.
i would not put anything devious past the bush adm.
nor would i put anything put anything past the mccain campaign-he wants to win so bad.
mccain wants to win by hook or crook.
just so he wins.
he thinks he is entitled to be president this time around.
and by gosh,george you said i could be president after you.

“I was struggling to find the right words to describe what bothers me to no end – a total inability of everybody to make the liberals stop talking over everybody and using the method of intimidation to win. What a poor quality of character. Sadly, birds of a feather flock together, or also the fish stinks from the head.
It is my privilege to publicly agree with you.
Posted by: Go to school | Nov 3, 2008 12:04:40 AM”
Thanks, goto.
If Obama wins, I’ll pray that he does a good job. He seems a nice enough guy, and he has some ideas – I don’t agree with them, but if he wins the election he gets a chance to try some of them out.
But I am scared – oh, so very scared – that this will somehow legitimize the nastiness we’ve seen from the Obama fanatics. Not that we don’t have our own – Hannity shouts folks down, and El Rushbo is as loopy on some of his digs as the most vapid far leftie. But those are the radio airheads, paid to be shocking, and that’s to be expected.
It’s the rank and file, such as the folks who post here, who frighten me. When their hatred is punctured, there is nothing left.
This is what scares me the most: having the helm of America being manned by people without moral compass.
Joe

Fox New will continue to give Joe, not really a plumber a platform, because Murdoch is obsessed with Obama. At first he was intrigued by him, but now he wants to destroy him. Fox News/Murdoch has reported as fact the rantings of Andy Martin, a known “whackjob” as “fair & balanced reporting”. He even let Hannity do an hour long smear fest using Martin as a source. Obama has lived with these vile lies began by Martin in 2004 on the internet. The NY Times outed the guy as certifiable, anti-semitic and a serial bringer of lawsuits, who is now banned from that activity.
I wish Jake you and ABC would do an investgative piece on this. If Peter were still around or Ted at ABC I think they would have stood up and exposed these retched lies.
Jake you have traveled with Obama. Tell me do you think he is a Secret Islamo Facsist Terrorist, who wants to destroy our way of life? Jake why not take a stand against the lies.
Also please remind the McCain campaign that when Sam the skinhead is out there he is acting as a surrogate for them.
An the ask them what they think about the Sammy Davis Jr remark.

If you don’t like any of the Democrats or Republicans, why not try something new? Why not vote for Nader, or one of the other Independent parties? I seem to recall that this is not a bi-partisan system.

Does anybody care what Joe the Plumber has to say? Maybe with the money he is getting paid, he can pay his taxes and child support.

Obama is the type of person who very easily could run for a position with extreme Terrorists of other countries.
Just look at his past and his church to see what he is capable of doing.
Yes his patriotism is in doubt and he would be a traitor if pushed to it.

This fellow Joe the Plumber believes ‘a vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel’
Maybe Joe the plumber has heard the tape the LA Time is covering up.

I do truly get a kick out of this. “Gadfly”, “skinhead”, “scufflaw”. The skinhead remark is particularly telling of the poster – not a whole lot of tolerance there. Or maybe “not a plumber” as if that matters. Attacks against Joe, and every one misses the point – it’s not who said it, it’s what he said.
I think what I fear the most is not the hatred exhibited here, but the complete lack of any sort of coherent reasoning – it’s just hate, hate, hate. And unreasoned hatred is the underlying basis of all fundamentalism.
The Liberal party espouses inclusion and tolerance, and yet acts in complete xenophobia and hatred. I’m considering changing my name and my IP address to make sure the thought police don’t come after me next…
Joe

“Joe the Plumber is reveling away in a political cesspool out of the McCain campaign’s desperation. What a toxic piece of sewage he is!
Posted by: kat | Nov 3, 2008 10:48:31 AM”
This is Liberal-Fascism at it’s most heinous. You say Joe is a tax evader, I rebut that lie with facts. You say Joe is a domestic violence offender, I rebut that lie with facts.
So now you resort to name calling without anything resembling a fact, thereby avoiding rebuttal. That, folks, is what we get with the “Hope is Change” movement.
Who need facts when we have rhetoric!
Joe

Joe the Plumber is connected to McCain’s past. I do not think he was a “random” choice.
Joe’s brother is the son- in- law to Charles Keating.
Yes, that Keating the scandal that McCain was involved in. The biggest banking and loan scandal till now.
And speaking as a liberal and reading several of your comments, I’m struck by how things get twisted around.
I’m not demanding that you take anybodies lifestyle, religion or view.
WHat I would like is the freedom to be who I am.
Republicans, for all their insistence that they do not want government control sure are passing a lot of laws governing how people should act and what they can and cannot do.

Joe the Plumber, an individual with a very questionable background, has been elevated to a prominence he clearly doesn’t deserve. It angers me as an American that some in the media are elevating him to this status of an all american guy kind of spokesman, which fortunately, he clearly isn’t. The McCain campaign’s media debacle with Joe also embarrasses me as an American. Contrary to the more recently inspired xenophobia, we do have an international reputation to repair.

This is fun. Let’s see here, who first? Joey? Okay.
“You contradicted yourself there buddy. If he just asked a question so be it, but he went out stomping for him. We have TV ads with people saying I am Joe the plumber. And show me how I am giving hate , when I just question who this guy his that your camp holds in such high regards.”
You … just … don’t … get it. I don’t care that he’s in the public eye, nor should you. You should be focusing on the *issue* – the Obama redistribution of wealth plan – and not on the person who happened to bring it up.
Again, even if Joe were a convicted murderer, it wouldn’t make his question any less valid, Obama’s answer any less frightening, or your attakcs any less hateful.
“Us saying Joe does not pay his taxes is not hate. But I guess you people can do anything and it is ok .”
You didn’t say “does not pay his taxes” you said he was a tax evader. When I proved that wrong, did I hear an apology or retraction? No… just more hate.
You said he was guilty of domestic abuse. When I proved that wrong, did I hear an apology or retraction? No… just more hate.
While Obama may indeed want to unite the country, it’s pretty clear that those who follow him live on hate, and that’s what scares me.
And by the way, Joey, I don’t care if you personally didn’t say those things… they were said on this blog and not challenged by any of you, which makes you all complicit.
Ah, less than 24 hours and this will all be moot. But until then, I’ll try to make sure there is one open blog with reason on it.
Joe

“His ideology is completely different from what democracy stands for” – what does that mean? This guy is just looking for his 15 mins of fame. Well, DEMOCRACY is going elect Obama in a rout tomorrow. Then we can go from talking about Joe the Plumber to Barack the President.

“You didn’t say “does not pay his taxes” you said he was a tax evader. When I proved that wrong, did I hear an apology or retraction? No… just more hate.”
More lies from your camp, can you show me where I said we was an tax evader… but still he does not pay his taxes, I guess broken the law is ok for your camp.
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Oh my gosh. You’re kidding right? Kat said it word for word, right here in the blog, and it’s obvious that’s what I was referring to. I even said as much in my post – that it wasn’t you, it was this blog that said it. And even so, you have to spin it.
No rational conversation, no discussion of the issues, just hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.
This, folks, is the future of America. Joey is the poster child for the “Hope is Change” movement. Your children’s futures hinge on this man.
I fear for them, and for all of us.
Joe

Ah, Joe, Joe. It’s really hard to know just what he is. To call him an idiot or a moron would be a compliment and an offense to the unfortunate souls that are. But he could be a real american soon. If Obama wins, Joe could go on national TV and reject any tax cut that his unamerican president might want to give to all $30,000 a year aspiring assistant plumbers.

“There’s too many questions with Barack Obama and his loyalty to our country. And I question that greatly.”
There are a great many questions on Sen. Obama’s views on democracy and capitalism, but Democrats have put looking at their political beliefs off-limits because of how vulnerable they’ve been for so many years if viewed as “liberal.” While Fox, Rush and the conservative base get discussed, mocked and characterized as radical, the liberal base has for the most part been off-limits and off the radar. Hollywood is probably the only part of it that’s open to scrutiny because it’s so visible.
And Americans need to remind themselves what Marxism, communism and socialism are. They represent the loss of our freedoms, to the point of living under a one-party dictatorship. That we live in a country that protects us from the government shouldn’t be underappreciated. Communist North Korea is one of the worst dictatorships in the world. Recently I read an account of a North Korean woman, Soon Ok Lee, who was unjustly imprisoned. She had a good government job, but was arrested for not getting an official the clothing material he wanted, something that wasn’t uncommon. She never saw her husband again or even learned what happened to him. She was tortured for a long time before she finally confessed. In prison, atrocities were the norm. There were prisoners executed by having the thousands of other prisoners all walk over them. Others were executed just for sport. People were tortured just for laughing, or not being able to memorize Kim Il-Sung’s speech. This woman shared an infirmary cell with a former school principal who’d had red-hot stones placed on her legs to see if she really couldn’t feel anything. Her wounds weren’t treated and maggots got in them. The principal died; she’d been imprisoned for expressing concern for her students’ education. A mother found out her son had also been imprisoned when all the prisoners were called outside for an execution and she saw it was her own son who was to be shot. Prisoners worked as slave labor on little sleep and food and under brutal conditions. They could be brutally punished just for making even the smallest mistake. And when punished, they were made to say they’d betrayed the great care of Kim Il-Sung for them. This former prisoner also tells of a little North Korean girl whose uncle visited from American; she was taught to say to him: “My father is Kim Il-Sung, and my mother is the government.” There are not many of these accounts from former North Korean prisoners, but another one I’ve heard of, the Aquariums of Pyongyang, also tells of similar atrocities. The author was put in a prison camp with his family as a boy and tells of events such as at the “school” the imprisoned children attended, where nothing was taught, a teacher threw a child who spoke out of turn in a septic tank, which killed him.
Al Gore once made an interesting remark on his service in Vietnam, where he was a military journalist during the war: “I didn’t change my conclusions about the war being a terrible mistake, but it struck me that opponents to the war, including myself, really did not take into account the fact that there were an awful lot of South Vietnamese who desperately wanted to hang on to what they called freedom. Coming face to face with those sentiments expressed by people who did the laundry and ran the restaurants and worked in the fields was something I was naively unprepared for,” (“More Al Gore on Homeland Security,” Issues 2000).
What sort of freedom do the people of Vietnam have today under communism? Some have been put in prison for years just for things like speaking out against the government on the Internet or practicing their faith. Last month, the government cracked down on Catholic protesters (“Vietnam: End Crackdown on Catholics,” Human Rights Watch). When the Chinese set up a “protest zone” during the Olympics, it was empty. That’s what communism brings.

ABC must want Obama to win, or else they wouldn’t be focusing on this intellectually challenged citizen.