Kos Dances on the Nader Campaign’s Grave

I disagree that Nader’s run was historically irrelevant. He’s provided an option outside the two party system, which limits choice. If I’m not mistaken, all other developed countries have multiple party systems.

I think the Nadar crowd’s biggest mistake lies in what they believe to be the fundamental political problem in this country. They think that an absence of a third party has been the fundamental problem whereas the fundamental problem has been the danger of permanent one-party (GOP)rule. If only they are willing to take a step back and take the pulse of this country, they will recognize how right-wing this country has become since Reagan. The way out is not to radicalize the liberals, a move which will forever politically marginalize the liberals, but to pull the country back to the pragmatic center. Once the extreme right loses credibility, political space will open up for more liberal views.
For those who are unconvinced that our country is at best a center-right country, just look at the election results. In spite of the completely broken GOP brand, the McCain Camp was basically neck-and-neck with the Obama camp before the financial tsunami. And in spite of the financial tsunami, the McCain camp still managed to garner close to 47% of the popular votes and Obama barely won in N Carolina and Indiana.

Remember when Nader told us in 2000 that the only difference between Dems and Repubs. was how far they bowed down to big corporations. What a crock of adolescent BS. And after the catastrophe of the Bush years, Nader still keeps up this kind of line.
Poor Ralph, a therapist would probably say he had issues as a youth with his parents because — his stance of primarily attacking Dems is so inconsistent with his policy positions.

correction, my 1st sentence should state 00′ not 04′

1st sentence should say 00′

There’s nothing wrong with a 3rd party as long as the person running is a legitimately serious candidate. Nader was not, is not, and never will be. He should stick to consumer affairs. However, if Bush hadn’t stolen the election away from Gore in ’00 we might not now have Obama. But then again, the economy most likely wouldn’t be in the godawful mess it’s in now. And on and on and on….Hindsight is wonderful, isn’t it?

I love the way Kos can get right to the point. On this he is bang on. Ralph Nader is nothing more than an egomaniac hell bent on destroying any legacy that he has left. Nader is irrelevant and finally finished, I only hope I never have to hear from him again.

I have never really read the dailykos but maybe i Should after all. What a great point that was!! See, I have no problem with a 3 party system, or a 2 party system, or a 1 party system or a 10 party system. My problem is with LAZY politicians who don’t want to do the hard work of building a REAL campaign and just mighty happy with their star argument about the 2-party system. They don’t assemble a real team that can deal with the problems of the country in case they do get elected. They don’t make a real attempt to draw up real extensive plans that they can implement. They just COMPLAIN.
Look at Obama and McCain. Nobody hand-picked them to run for the presidency, nobody dined and wined them till they finally ended up at the white house. Whether they were honest politicians or crooked liars, they are still HARD WORKING men who worked from sunrise till sunset to do whatever they can to accomplish their goal. They don’t get any free votes. The only people who get votes out of nowhere seem to be the third-party candidates who live off welfare-voting, as far as I’m concerned. So if you want to be relevant, dear third party candidates, WORK HARD and don’t try to live off the country’s guilt about the 2-party system.

The raging intolerance of the tolerant crowd!
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Nov 16, 2008 10:56:45 AM
The token dissenting post for the thread which was allowed to remain up is a good one this time. I wonder how long it will be before obamarator realizes his/her mistake and takes your comment down, Concerned in OH.
The purported reason for deleting your post will be you are not being tolerant of the raging intolerance of the tolerant crowd, or some other neo-Orwellian reasoning will be used.
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“I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”

The Kos is truthful about Nader here but they could have phrased their remarks a lot more professionally. Kos sounds as screaming, raging nuts here as the man they ridicule – the raging nut Nader. But at least Nader’s not screaming. Big difference.

Ralph Nader needs to start running for an office he has an actual chance of winning. Like a Senate seat or Congress.
Look at Al Fraken in his fist run at an office, coming so close to winning in Minnesota. The only thing Ralph accomplish was help somebody win florida in 2000.

I agree with the sentiment behind the Kos statement but not the language.
Nader does seem to keep running to feed his ego rather than to make any difference.

“For those who are unconvinced that our country is at best a center-right country, just look at the election results. In spite of the completely broken GOP brand, the McCain Camp was basically neck-and-neck with the Obama camp before the financial tsunami. And in spite of the financial tsunami, the McCain camp still managed to garner close to 47% of the popular votes and Obama barely won in N Carolina and Indiana.”
I agree…and unless Obummer shifts toward the center, he will be a lame 1 term president, like Jimmy Carter, thank God! Independents will be sick of his bullcrap long before then!

seems to me to simply be a statement of the obvious. where’s the news in that?

Grow up America. Kos’s point is correct and any of you who agree with him but bemoan his language needs to get a grip.
It is a word used to make his point emphatically . Seems to have worked. If you do not like it Cheneyoff.

So, I am a bad peron because I voted for the best candidate.
Hmm, seems we should be angry at the fools who voted for tools like Gore and Kerry.

The Nader campaign did cost Obama Missouri. He would have had 376 EV’s without Nader siphoning off votes there.

Give me the death penalty, I voted for Nader.

If the pro war Daily Kos run by a former Army soldier (HELLO!!!) want Obama to invade any country like their fellow Democrats McCain and Kerry let ‘em! Just don’t punish the progressives for the mess the wefare/warfare statist queens like Reid, Pelosi, and NOW Gulp! OBAMA want to KEEP as the status quo. McCain/Lieberman/O’bomba/Biden… Where the HELL IS the “change”??? Absolutley NONE!!! Unless of course you like to drink Kool-Aid, and we know where that took the Republicans the last eight years! Obama should he continue this mess will be gone in four! The people DO want CHANGE in policy, not just in who pushes the same rhetoric and works to handout Billions to Wall St. on the backs and pockets of Main St.

Yeah, the arrogance of the Kos mafia, including the likes of Mr. Tungsten, is exactly the kind of attitude that got the Newt Gingrich Contract-on-America crowd in trouble. This is the Democrats opportunity to lock it up for the next twenty years at least. But if the Democrats don’t act responsibly, and instead try to raid the treasury, they will be gone in four years if no two. Kos and Company would have the administration stomp on any diverse opinions. That’s exactly what put Newt and his minions out of business.

WestCoastMessenger
Yes Kos is just mafia in their pajamas. Taking the time to blog out their “Mafia” liberal ideas. Funny I always thought the mafia was Conservative… small government, rule by the people, deregulation. Don’t be so paranoid, and support the President and President-Elect.

Looks like another pajama think tank that gets more press than it deserves.
(And people thought the post-election Republican infighting was bad. Well it was, but at least it never reached the “F” phase.)

Ralph Nader is for Ralph Nader. He does nothing to organize this political change he keeps pushing. Even if he were to win an election, he has not organized a base of support to help him implement policy. He’s a fantasy candidate for a fantasy party that in many places it runs candidates gets more GOP money than Green money.
I am absolutely certain the bogus Nader presidential campaigns have hurt Green attempts to organize and run candidates at the state and local level, because he makes the Green Party look like fantasy fringers instead of people with serious ideas and strategies for how to achieve them. And I know some local Greens I really like…

Of course if Nader had not run in 2000, and Al Gore had won, Joe Lieberman might be president now.
Posted by: Peter M | Nov 17, 2008 12:06:33 AM
So you mean Lieberman would have ran for President this year, but endorsed the man who ran against him?
My head hurts.

WestCoastMessenger: “and instead try to raid the treasury”
That’s a laugh. All that’s left in the treasury after 8 years of Republican control is a pile of IOU’s even bigger than Reagan left. And at least Reagan could blame the USSR, a real existential threat, for his mountain of debt.
The cold, hard facts clearly show Republican administrations – especially if they have a Republican Congress – result in enormous deficits and a debt that can only start to be paid off by a Democratic administration. Ignore the Big Lie sales pitch and look at the historical budget facts. The reality is Democrats shrink the deficit, pay down debt, and preside over larger stock market advances than Republicans. “Fiscally conservative Republicans” is just another Big Lie that is crumbling under the weight of reality.

Nader did not cost Gore the 2000 election. Neocon operatives stole it wholsale. Nader was on the ballot and earned the votes he earned. That’s called “democracy”. His votes do not hypothetically “belong” to any other party or candidate.
Kos is a fully exposed CIA gatekeeping asset. Check his bio.
“Change” cannot come from making deals with the devil or the military-intelligence complex. Nader, McKinney, Kucinich and a handful of others are smeared for telling this self-evident truth.

If you don’t like Daily Kos, don’t read Daily Kos. Seems simple enough to me.

“Many Neo-Cons are vocal supporters of Obama.”
Which neocons are vocal supporters of Obama?

“I haven’t seen evidence that Obama is stupid, just naive.”
Oh, right: “naive”. Sure he is.
The bloom, if any, will be off Barky BEFORE the inauguration.