By Natalie Gewargis

Nov 3, 2008 10:21am

McCain to Campaign on Election Day

ABC News’ Ron Claiborne Reports: Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was sometimes accused of failing to campaign hard enough — until recently he usually took weekends off — but it’s unlikely anyone will say that about his final push to Election Day.

On the heels of a seven-stop 24 hour campaign swing today that will take him from Florida in the morning to a post-midnight rally in Prescott, Arizona, McCain has added two more campaign stops on Election Day. His campaign says he will travel to Colorado and New Mexico after voting in Arizona. President Bush carried both states in 2004. The latest polls show Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., leading in both.

McCain is campaigning frenetically in these final days as he tries to cobble together the 270 Electoral College votes he needs for victory. That has meant spending most of his time defending states that President George W. Bush carried. He has campaigned in only two blue states, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire. Colorado has been a reliably Republican state in presidential elections until this year. New Mexico went for Al Gore — by about 300 votes — in 2000.

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and the day after we are going to hear what mccain REALLY thinks of Palin.
He sold his soul for the Presidency but when he doesn’t get it…
you watch how he takes it back.
SNL this weekend was just a sign of what is to come the year after the election.

Posted by: dl | November 3, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

I hope you also realize that Mao Zedong, the dead Communist Leader of China, is a master of class divide.
He divided the World into 3 worlds, the First world, the Second World, and the Third world.
He divided his people into the “Working Class” of the 95% lower income group, and the “Capitalist Class” of the 5% top income group. This “Class Struggle” is at the heart of Mao’s philosophy and practice that lasted for half a century, resulting in 10s of millions dead.
Chairman Mao had a great appeal, and he succeeded in his propaganda, succeeded in taking over the power and control of the government, and succeeded his equalization of Class Divide, with an apparent “overwhelming” support of the people.
It’s like a Deja vu seeing 0bama and Mao – I will take care of you 95% the poor Class and I will take from the 5% Rich Class, spreading wealth.

Posted by: 0-0=0 | November 3, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

And he is going to say what????More lies more dirty tactics,this is all the two of them have had to say .Nothing like we will fix this and how fix that and how all bull crap—– they have run the DIRTIEST champaign Cindy baby I have ever seen.All you money and you didn’t fix this for your lovin cheating hubby.OHH what goes around comes around.Take back your 500.000 outfit you won’t need it….

Posted by: nh voter | November 3, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

Still no medical records from Palin. Pathetic! Its so obvious she never intended to release them in the first place. First the refusal to cooperate with the Troopergate even if she said she would to begin with. And now refusal to release the medical records even though she said she would.
I think we all can see how she would act as a VP. Cheney pales in comparison, and he’s amongst the biggest a-holes ever to set his foot in the White House!
Thanks but no thanks Palin. Go back to Alaska you pentecoast freak!

Posted by: JoeShmoe | November 3, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

0-0=0
you are stuck in the wrong argument and on the wrong side of history.
OBAMA/BIDEN

Posted by: watching | November 3, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

0-0=0
you are stuck in the wrong argument and on the wrong side of history.
Posted by: watching | Nov 3, 2008 10:44:11 AM
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Only if you knew your history, you would have not said what you said. Pity.

Posted by: 0-0=0 | November 3, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

If Obama wins tomorrow, not only will he be right for America, he will be the Almighty’s chosen one. Sarah Palin said so:
“I’m going to know at the end of the day, putting this in God’s hands, that the right thing for America will be done, the end of the day on November 4th.”

Posted by: WWW | November 3, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

If your only reason voting for obama is to make history you really should not vote.

Posted by: reddog0216 | November 3, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Here is some news out today for you to think about:
But McCain is not about the military status quo. He is ambitious for further conflicts. The current US military is too small to handle yet another front, and to maintain, as McCain insists they must, the current ones.
My friends, there is only one way for McCain to make good on his hawkish foreign policy and his virtual pledge of more wars.
McCain will need to institute a draft for young American men (and, given the times, maybe for women as well).
If you are in your late teens and early twenties, or if you are a parent of a person that age, and you have strong views on a renewed draft, it should come into your decision about whether to vote on Tuesday and for whom.

Posted by: becky | November 3, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

OBAMA’s past is peppered with deception from the foreign money college loans, hidden college records, papers and associates and especially his lengthy involvement with the terrorist Ayres and criminal Rezo. He still hasn’t made a full discloser of his medical records. His recent visits and connections with relatives (Odinga) who are communist organizers responsible for the bloody anti Christian takeover in Kenya are especially troubling. The constitution requires the President to be natural born to avoid possible personal entanglements in foreign lands. Who is Obama? No one knows — I guess American isn’t as important to many as it was to the ancestors who protected it.

Posted by: Mike | November 3, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

To 0bama supporters, nothing matters in His Nothingness. It’s sad they are not willing to see facts, history, nor even understand a simple metaphor.

Posted by: 0-0=0 | November 3, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

This tool is awesome: “Your Money” — McCain vs. Obama.
Fascinating stuff. Compares your taxes, markets, inflation, college, and retirement under each candidate.
Voyant:
http://www.planwithvoyant.com

Posted by: Ken Ashwood | November 3, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Yep, that should do the trick ol’ man.

Posted by: dem in chicago | November 3, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

McCain will need to institute a draft for young American men (and, given the times, maybe for women as well).
If you are in your late teens and early twenties, or if you are a parent of a person that age, and you have strong views on a renewed draft, it should come into your decision about whether to vote on Tuesday and for whom.
Posted by: becky | Nov 3, 2008 10:49:46 AM
I have thought and Biden has made it very clear Obama is NOT ready to handle the conflict that would come if he is elected

Posted by: reddog0216 | November 3, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

I have thought and Biden has made it very clear Obama is NOT ready to handle the conflict that would come if he is elected
Posted by: reddog0216 | Nov 3, 2008 10:53:04 AM
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That’s why 0bama and company have asked Senator Biden not to speak to the media in the past 1 and half months.

Posted by: 0-0=0 | November 3, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

I just read that in Tampa Florida this morning, McCain, only got 1,000 people to show up at his rally. They had the place set up for 10,000. LOL… must not have had Sarah with him. Poor McCain, you have to feel lost right about now.

Posted by: becky | November 3, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

McCain will be tested also, can one of you tell me what experience he has behind him that would make me trust his judgement in handling the situation? BOMB BOMB IRAN???? Which would call for a draft!!!

Posted by: becky | November 3, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

“Allo Governer Palin, zis is President Sarkozy …”
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
OBAMA = PRESIDENT
McCAIN = FAIL

Posted by: Ed from MA | November 3, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am

McCain campaigning on election day!!!
Who is going to listen to him?? Is it not the time people are running up to vote?? Isn’t he making distraction to his own campaign??
Not surprised much because we know him how he always makes his decisions!!!!!!!

Posted by: FM | November 3, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am

Mccain only got 1000 people in tampa why do more people turn out for Palin and not Mccain

Posted by: Angie in PA | November 3, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am

I’m a lifelong Democrat who will be voting straight Republican for the first time.
We need checks and balances in Washington. One party in charge is scary and not good for the country.

Posted by: Democrat for McCain | November 3, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

McCain must hurry if he wants to take advantage of his “sad grandpa” strategy.

Posted by: JoeShmoe | November 3, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

“My wife Carla, she is so hot in bed …”
LOLOLOLOL!!!!
OBAMA = PRESIDENT
McCAIN = FAIL

Posted by: Ed from MA | November 3, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

It is hard to believe that the issue of Barrack Obama’s birth certificate has come this far! From Barrack Obama saying in his book “Dreams of my Father” that he was in possession of his original birth certificate, which apparently was a lie. Barrack Obama’s website posting his original birth certificate, which was a lie. To factcheck.com saying that they viewed the original birth certificate, which was a lie. The Health Department in Hawaii states they have the original birth certificate. The Health Department in Hawaii is holding the original birth certificate because Barrack Obama was adopted by Sotoreo and taken to Indonesia as a child to live and grow up. Barrack Obama was an Indonesia citizen. He had to give up his American citizenship to become an Indonesia citizen as were the laws at that time. He was known then as Barry Sotoreo, which means that Barrack Obama committed FRAUD when he signed the Supreme Court document and became a Senator for Illinois as he stated that he had NEVER gone by another name. Barrack Obama has an Indonesia passport (still does?) and used it when he should have been using a US Passport if he was a US citizen to travel some years back? Barrack Obama’s college paperwork has been suppressed probably because of filing for foreign aid as he was a citizen of Indonesia. It just goes on and on and this is the man that America is selecting to run this country. You do not even know if his allegiance is to America or Kenya. His cousin Odinga’s allegiance is to Kenya and Barrack Obama spent a week campaigning for his cousin using exactly the same words that he has been using in America—time for a change, this is our time.
24 Electoral potential College Electors are filing action TODAY in court demanding proof from Barrack Obama and yet he and his attorney’s still will not present any evidence. The “media” by not reporting the news has destroyed America

Posted by: Anne | November 3, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am

McCain will be tested also, can one of you tell me what experience he has behind him that would make me trust his judgement in handling the situation? BOMB BOMB IRAN???? Which would call for a draft!!!
Posted by: becky | Nov 3, 2008 11:15:31 AM
Well let me ask you this would you be more likely to test someone who is weak or someone singing bomb bomb bomb iran.I also imagine in your life you have never made a song parody while signing a song on the radio or told a poor taste joke

Posted by: reddog0216 | November 3, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

DESPERATION, DESPERATION, DESPERATION.
IT’S OVER.
E_DAY – 1: ELECTORAL COLLEGE EV POLLS
Obama 353
McCain 185
No miracle can help McCain now.
McCain is toast.
Just try not to be very sore losers my friends and fellow prisoners.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | November 3, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Folks,
Ask yourself, why is it wrong you divide a White America and a Black America, but it is perfectly OK if you divide a 95% of America and 5% of America based on income?
The first is racism, which you think it’s wrong. The second is Marxism and a form of racism, which is wRight according to 0bama.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Democrat for McCain,
Sorry but I don’t believe you. You just wish you could convince some people to vote McCain based on your faulty logic.
If you’re for Obama it makes no sense to vote McCain just to “balance things out”. That would be a stupid thing to do and would cause gridlock in the government, which is the last thing we need now.
If you’re for McCain because you think he’d be better for America, just vote for him.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

McCain needs to pound on the recent discovery of Obama tape on coal
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/03/video-of-obama-coal-bankruptcy/
Obama says his policies will
1) bankrupt the coal industry
2) skyrocket electricity prices
(49% electricity comes from coal)
Obama doesn’t stand a chance in Penny, Ohio and colorado with this latest revealing statement!!!

Posted by: tom | November 3, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

d0,
Are you in the top 5%?
If so, you can afford to pay a higher percentage of your income in taxes. That’s not Marxism, it’s called progressive income tax.
In fact, this principle has been accepted by the greatest capitalist economists of the last 100 years.
You can learn about in Economics 101.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

I’m not sure why McCain would campaign in New Mexico and Colorado.
Both of these states have had extremely high numbers of early voters. The die is virtually cast there.
If he wanted to make a difference he’d better spend his time in Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania or Florida.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am

Are you in the top 5%?
If so, you can afford to pay a higher percentage of your income in taxes. That’s not Marxism, it’s called progressive income tax.
You can learn about in Economics 101.
Posted by: Paul New man | Nov 3, 2008 11:38:58 AM
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If you take a Communism 101, or read The Communist Manifesto, you understand what “Class Struggle, Class Divide between 95% and 5% of your own people” is.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

d0,
Why would I want to take Communism 101 and why would I care about class struggle (I never struggled in my classes at school – did you?).
I’m a capitalist – and also happen to be a professional economist.
Also, I’m in the top 5%.
If I have to pay a couple thousand more at the end of the year I won’t even feel the difference.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

0-0=0:
I’ve heard Obama compared to Hitler, Stalin, Marx, Mao and even the Anti-Christ.
I’ve got news for you and your paranoid ilk: Obama is none of these. He will not govern like any of these people either.
Quite frankly, after people like you chose a leader like Bush Jr…TWICE…I don’t really put much value in your judgement on these kinds of issues anymore.
Thanks for the input, but your desperate rantings have been recognized for what they are: paranoia.
By the way, I’m expecting my state, CO, to go for Obama tomorrow. Good for Colorado!
Obama/Biden ’08

Posted by: Geekmoid | November 3, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

tom, that ‘coal’ tape is not a recent discovery, that’s just another of Palin’s lies. She asked the crowd yesterday, “Why is the audiotape just now surfacing?” But the audio has been out there and readily available since JANUARY! This is just a last minute smokescreen by a desperate GOP to divert attention. Read about it and listen to it at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/indexn?blogid=14

Posted by: WWW | November 3, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

Good news for McCain supporters!
After the election there’s plenty of room in Alaska for all of you, and the AIP will welcome you with open arms.

Posted by: samurai | November 3, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

Geekmoid,
I just saw early voting statistics which indicate the about 1.6 million have already voted in Colorado, compared to a total of 2.15 million for the full election in 2004. That’s a tremendous early turnout.
The estimates are from 17% to 23% of those early votes have been cast for Obama.
Don’t let that stop you. Go and vote Tuesday and make it a landslide!

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Anne,
What is it with you guys being so unwilling to accept reality?
Your birth certificate myth was debunked months ago.
The courts threw out the lawsuit as FRIVILOUS.
You willingness to believe internet rumors and accusations when the STATE OF HAWAII and about a dozen factcheck sites have verified Obama’s citizenship is truly fasciating..

Posted by: Truth Hurts the GOP | November 3, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

obamanaba is not going to win the us presidency now maybe in eight years.
black people are more racist that white people. obamanaba ego is as big as his head. do you think 143 days in congress is good enough experience to be elected as a president? do you think he can accomplish all the promised changes? i dont think so. obamanaba is full of arrogant. i hope american people will think before voting for him.

Posted by: lito | November 3, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

As many of you probably know, a lot of the poll numbers underestimate the vote for Obama, simply because they don’t sample people who only have a cell phone. Zogby is one of those pollsters, who also happens to have the race a little tighter than others.
I don’t know why Republican supporter tend to have fewer cell phone.
Perhaps it’s because they can’t figure out how to use them.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Obama took the high road to the White House. McCain tried to get there by crawling on his belly through the sewer.

Posted by: hamishdad | November 3, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

Obama says his policies will
1) bankrupt the coal industry
————————
NO. THAT IS A LIE.
Obama said new emissions policies (WHICH McCAIN ALSO SUPPORTS) will prevent the coal industry from building DIRTY Coal plants, because they would go bankrupt trying to pursue it.
This is not saying “he will bankrupt the industry” at all.
But, as has been this whole election, Pubs are trying to distort what was actually said.
McCain SUPPORTS emmission caps as well. But you’d never know that if you get your news from FOX.
Shhhh. Don’t tell anyone that ok?

Posted by: More Distortion from the GOP | November 3, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Why would I want to take Communism 101 and why would I care about class struggle (I never struggled in my classes at school – did you?).
I’m a capitalist – and also happen to be a professional economist.
Also, I’m in the top 5%.
If I have to pay a couple thousand more at the end of the year I won’t even feel the difference.
Posted by: Paul New man | Nov 3, 2008 11:47:36 AM
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To understand history, to understand why half a world had fallen into Communist control in the 20th century with the kind of support you see today of 0bama, to make sure it does not happen to you or your children.
To, for the sake of argument, enable you make an informed debater here.
You need to understand that I do not argue about whether or not you pay 3.6% extra taxes. It is the “class divide” and “class struggle” that 0bama brings into this election and into this country that is most worrisome and dangerous.
As an economist, ask yourself, why did 0bama ridiculed Hillary Clinton’s plan to use $300 billion dollars to target banking, mortgage and financial crisis ONE YEAR ago, but 0bama pushed hard Bush’s money giveaways to some folks with $600 cash using that $300 billion?
Don’t you think it is a fundamental economic judgment problem?

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Touching down in Tampa for the first event in a grueling, seven-stop last day, John McCain got a reminder of one of the problems that has dogged his candidacy for months: the enthusiasm gap.
In one of Florida’s largest and perhaps most politically important areas, only about 1,000 people stood outside the Bucaneers stadium to greet the GOP nominee.
As Adam Smith noted, it was 1/15th of the crowd President Bush had four years ago in the same city.

Posted by: Hahahaha! No one shows for the "Maverick" | November 3, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

Wow! Now we are equating a progressive tax rate to racism!?! The desperation here is almost palpable, isn’t it?
News flash: A progressive tax isn’t even in the same universe as racism. One concept simply requires that those who make more money, pay more money. The other concept involves the degradation and systematic limitation of basic human rights of a person based on their ethnicity.
Quite frankly, comparing the two seems a bit silly, doesn’t it?

Posted by: Geekmoid | November 3, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

Wow! Now we are equating a progressive tax rate to racism!?! The desperation here is almost palpable, isn’t it?
News flash: A progressive tax isn’t even in the same universe as racism. One concept simply requires that those who make more money, pay more money. The other concept involves the degradation and systematic limitation of basic human rights of a person based on their ethnicity.
Quite frankly, comparing the two seems a bit silly, doesn’t it?

Posted by: Geekmoid | November 3, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

Why would I want to take Communism 101 and why would I care about class struggle (I never struggled in my classes at school – did you?).
Posted by: Paul New man | Nov 3, 2008 11:47:36 AM
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Paul New man,
If you are serious of what you said, I doubt you do not struggle in your classes at school.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

Paul New Man:
Already voted! Love those early mail in ballots!!
Obama/Biden ’08

Posted by: Geekmoid | November 3, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

STATE OF HAWAII and about a dozen factcheck sites have verified Obama’s citizenship
Guess I missed that. A dozen you say? Thanks for the truth even though it hurts.

Posted by: jcarob | November 3, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

lito,
Nobody has experience being president, except the GWB and a few former presidents.
It has been said of the presidency that “the man doesn’t make the job, the job makes the man”.
I think there is a basic set of skills – mostly political, diplomatic and managerial – which you either have or you don’t have, as well as ideas which reflect where Americans would like the country to go.
If experience was all that mattered, you could find a CEO of a major, successful company and stop looking.
That was tried with Ross Perot but he was lacking major party support.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Where are Sarah Palin’s medical records? What’s she hiding???

Posted by: Howard Gallas | November 3, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

“Allo Governer Palin, zis is President Sarkozy …”
He He blush blush…”I can’t help it that I’m so stupid…”
“Oh yeah, MY FRIENDS,
that STUPID ONE (why on God’s Green Earth did I pick her as my running mate????) is ready to be President.”

Posted by: Better Blue than Red | November 3, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

R O T F L M A O !!!!!

Posted by: Better Blue than Red | November 3, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

jcarob,
Obviously, if there was even a .0001% chance they could prove Obama wasn’t a natural born citizen or even cast serious doubt, the GOP would have sent 1000s of lawyers and spent millions of dollars to do it.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

The GOP ran a despicable ad over the weekend in Pennsylvania about Obama and his former pastor. The ad printed on the screen, “Hate that we can believe in” and “Rage that we can believe in.” I knew that the GOP had been hijacked by the evangelicals, but I wasn’t aware that it had been hijacked by the KKK. Perhaps there is little difference – both seem to hate blacks and catholics.

Posted by: hamishdad | November 3, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

What’s the difference between segregation of black and white Americans and segregation of poor and rich Americans?
It seems to me there is none.
Yet, 0bama thinks the latter is right for you and for the Common Good of the Society.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

d0:
Your assumption that Obama is somehow going to turn the U.S. into a communist nation, after 200 plus years of capitalism, is frighteningly simplistic.
I won’t go into the details, because there too many to denote here, but wouldn’t you have to first acknowledge that there are many, many differences between pre-communist China and present day U.S., including: social, political, economic, military, geographical, etc.
The idea that Obama is going to suddenly turn the United States into a communist nation is, I’m happy to say, utterly laughable. If for no other reason than the fact that probably greater than 95% of Americans, myself included, do not want the U.S. to become communist, and, as tomorrow’s election will prove once again, the people of the U.S. still hold the reigns of this government.
Obama/Biden ’08

Posted by: Geekmoid | November 3, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

The GOP has run this campaign the way that BUSH has run his presidency…with LIES, DECEIT, THREATS, STUPIDITY and the list goes on and on and on…
I wonder what they are thinking knowing that it all ends after tomorrow!

Posted by: Better Blue than Red | November 3, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

There should be a test to be president and quite honestly a Ceo would probably do a better job

Posted by: reddog0216 | November 3, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

I think there is a basic set of skills – mostly political, diplomatic and managerial – which you either have or you don’t have, as well as ideas which reflect where Americans would like the country to go.
Posted by: Paul New man | Nov 3, 2008 12:04:11 PM
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Yup.
0bama’s ideological belief is there is difference between segregation of black and white Americans and segregation of poor and rich Americans. He promotes the latter to use the poor fighting against the rich with anger to achieve his ambition.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

hamishdad,
I believe there are a lot of good people who are republicans.
Unfortunately, the party leadership made a choice to cater to the so-called “Moral Majority”. In doing so, they have embraced Evangelical Christians, who see theirs as the only valid religion.
A number of my ex-friends are Evangelicals. They are not ex-friends by choice. It’s just that the “born-agains” tend to reject anything and anyone from outside their church.
It’s a shame but that’s how it works. They have no tolerance for anyone else.
I suspect that intelligent GOP leaders will finally realize they have to jettison the Evangelicals if they want to get voters from the center-right who are not religious fanatics.
Sarah Palin fits right in with that group. I wonder if she won’t try to create her own political party for upcoming elections.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Geekmoid…
That was too difficult for most Republicans to understand!

Posted by: Better Blue than Red | November 3, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Paul New man,
Palin already has a party, the AIP.

Posted by: samurai | November 3, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

d0:
So, let me get this straight:
Forcing a person to live as a 2nd class citizen and making them feel as though they are less a human being because of their ethnicity = making a person pay more of the money they earn to the government because they make more money.
Really!?! This argument is logical to you?

Posted by: Geekmoid | November 3, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

The idea that Obama is going to suddenly turn the United States into a communist nation is, I’m happy to say, utterly laughable.
Posted by: Geekmoid | Nov 3, 2008 12:12:46 PM
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It’s never simple, even Chairman Mao realized and understood it and practiced as masterfully as 0bama is doing on “poor and rich Class Divide” and use the anger of one class against the other to achieve his ambition.
Chairman Mao used countryside surrounding the cities strategy gradually and slowly, taking nearly 50 years to achieve his goals.
0bama uses the 95% poor fighting against the 5% rich; it is the Class-War that is at the heart of their similarity, and communist ideology.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

d0,
“What’s the difference between segregation of black and white Americans and segregation of poor and rich Americans?”
Can you point me to one speach or document where Obama says he wants to segregate anyone?
Do you know what the word “segregate” means?
Luckily, segregation is virtually a thing of the past in America, since it’s illegal. There may still be some discrimination but that’s going fast too.
This election will have changed one thing forever in America no matter who wins: It is now possible for someone who is not a white man to have a serious shot at being president. Obama opened the pearly gates.
In the future, we’ll see women, hispanics, orientals, and blacks nominated by the major parties. I, as a white, upper-middle class American welcome that.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Forcing a person to live as a 2nd class citizen and making them feel as though they are less a human being because of their ethnicity = making a person pay more of the money they earn to the government because they make more money.
Posted by: Geekmoid | Nov 3, 2008 12:17:02 PM
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Geekmoid,
It is a noble cause to help others in need, poor or rich.
It is not a noble cause for 0bama and his government to enforce his ideology up on individuals, especially when 0bama panders 95%, a vast larger block of voters, and uses their anger, frustration, and “bitterness” due to G. W. Bush to fight against 5% hard-working Americans, who fulfilled their American Dreams, to get votes to achieve his ambition.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

samurai,
I was thinking more along the lines of:
S.A.P.
“The Sarkosy Admirers Party”
She has proven time and time again that she’s a true sap, hasn’t she?

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

….if he could just carry Arizona, McCain has a chance.

Posted by: doug | November 3, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

d0:
Other than the single similarity (and it is a stretch to call it that) that you state, this so called “class warfare,” can you name any other similar conditions that exist that could allow Obama to convert the U.S. into a communist nation?
For example, was the government that Mao ruled over navigated by a constitution? Did Mao’s government have three branches, legislative, executive and judicial. Were the people under Mao’s rule given equal representation through popular vote?
I’m just askin’. If you really want to pursue this argument, you are going to have to supply something a bit more concrete than “Obama will exploit class warfare.”

Posted by: Geekmoid | November 3, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

d0,
I think you’d better take a look at the history of progressive taxes in America.
By your standards, every president since the beginning of the 20th century, not to mention the majority of the Congress, must be Marxist.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Can you point me to one speach or document where Obama says he wants to segregate anyone?
Posted by: Paul New man | Nov 3, 2008 12:21:53 PM
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To constantly divide Americans into 95% of poor and 5% of rich is a form of segregation. He separate a united state of ammericans into 95% of which he promised to help because they constituted 95% of voters, and 5% of which he promised to take from. That separation is divisive, is artificially dividing a good people who are all know as generous Americans, and that by itself is segregating americans into two classes.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

doug,
… that’s good!

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

“It is not a noble cause for 0bama and his government to enforce his ideology up on individuals”
Oh really? So it was not noble for GWB and the republican party to enforce their ideology upon us either? So, what penalty should they pay for subjecting us to 8 years of having their ideologies forced upon us?

Posted by: Geekmoid | November 3, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

d0,
Many of the 5% you’re talking about support Obama and are willing to make the sacrifice.
The others are mostly greedy Republicans who are exploiting poor, ignorant believers to do their dirty work and protect their riches.
If there is a class struggle, it is by those Republican elite. I’d put Cindy McCain in that group, by the way.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

I think you’d better take a look at the history of progressive taxes in America.
By your standards, every president since the beginning of the 20th century, not to mention the majority of the Congress, must be Marxist.
Posted by: Paul New man | Nov 3, 2008 12:27:31 PM
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Paul New man,
Progressive taxation is not the problem. The constant reminder that “you” are the 95% that I will help, and “they” are the 5% that I will tax, and my opponent is helping “they” the 5% and increasing taxes on “you” the 95% is a the adaption of Marxist classic Class War.
Two classes in a society, the rich (5%) and the poor (95%): I, the 0bama, will help you the poor, he, the opponent, will help the rich.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

Geekmoid,
For God sake, hell no, I hope 0bama won’t be able to convert American into a socialist society, Thanks to our constitution. However, that is not a guarantee. The rights you enjoy by your Constitution can be gradually taken away, one by one, tiny bit by tiny bit, however small it might be.
0bama has already voted for giving Bush the power to spy on you, taking just that tiny bit of your right of privacy guaranteed by the Constitution away, for the Common good of the society of your saftey.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Many of the 5% you’re talking about support Obama and are willing to make the sacrifice.
The others are mostly greedy Republicans who are exploiting poor, ignorant believers to do their dirty work and protect their riches.
If there is a class struggle, it is by those Republican elite. I’d put Cindy McCain in that group, by the way.
Posted by: Paul New man | Nov 3, 2008 12:31:07 PM
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Of your statement, do I need to say more of the effectiveness of 0bama’s employment of Marxist classic Warfare of Classes in a society?

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Just read on CNN.COM
“Early votes: 57.3 percent by Dems, 42.7 by GOP, according to election statistics”
It seems there’s more enthousiasm on the Dem side this time around. The GOP is usually far better than the Dems at getting out early voters.
Unless the Dems have spent all their ammo on the early vote, this will be a landslide.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

“He separate a united state of ammericans into 95% of which he promised to help because they constituted 95% of voters, and 5% of which he promised to take from. That separation is divisive, is artificially dividing a good people who are all know as generous Americans”
Posted by: d0
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Some of that top 5% certainly are good and generous. But you oversimplify, in your quest to view everything as black and white.
This top 5% which you so easily give a pass, is also behind the creation of the largest income gap in the history of the U.S.A, where the everage corporate executive now earns more than 400 times what the average worker earns.
Add to this the fact that they have been complicit in the largest exodus of American jobs in history. Not even just blue collar manufacturing jogs but now even good wage white collar technical positions have been shipped overseas at an alarming rate.
And all the while companies have been generating record profits and giving CEO’s golden parachute’s that literally stagger the imagination.
So, yes, there is some anger toward those in this top 5% who have been a part of these fleecings of the middle and lower class. Fortunately, we’re not seeking to go hang them from the tallest tree, all we’re asking is that they do something to stop shipping jobs overseas and pay a little bit more of their fair share (especially since they are making so much more).

Posted by: Geekmoid | November 3, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

So it was not noble for GWB and the republican party to enforce their ideology upon us either? So, what penalty should they pay for subjecting us to 8 years of having their ideologies forced upon us?
Posted by: Geekmoid | Nov 3, 2008 12:30:23 PM
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0bama should have kept his promise of upholding the law and defend the Constitution. He should have tried to impeach and remove George W. Bush for the crimes that he has committed in lying to the people, in starting a War of choice, in failing help the people in need. He should put the same criminals such as General Colin Powell in trial, rather than being extremely honored by his endorsement.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

“The rights you enjoy by your Constitution can be gradually taken away, one by one, tiny bit by tiny bit, however small it might be.”
Posted by: d0
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As the adiministration of GWB, under Republican rule of the congress, so deftly demonstrated.
Quite frankly, I expect Obama will re-enstill some of the rights and freedoms that were taken away, out of fear, post 9-11.

Posted by: Geekmoid | November 3, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

d0,
I agree with part of your conclusion. However, the class war is being run adn won by the GOP _against_ the lower 95%.
That is the problem. You just have to look at trends in income distribution to know this is true.
Obama has, it is true, clearly stated that he thinks it’s unfair that the rich are getting much richer at the expense of the “middle class” (nobody likes to talk about the poor or be refered to as poor).
Is that the “class struggle” you’re talking about?
Once again, you should check out Economics 101.
If that’s your definition of Marxism, I think we’ll be safe with a “Marxist” Obama.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

“Early votes: 57.3 percent by Dems, 42.7 by GOP, according to election statistics”
Posted by: Paul New man | Nov 3, 2008 12:39:48 PM
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Any other democratic candidate, other than 0bama, would have gotten 70% support.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

“0bama should have kept his promise of upholding the law and defend the Constitution. He should have tried to impeach and remove George W. Bush for the crimes that he has committed in lying to the people, in starting a War of choice, in failing help the people in need.”
Posted by: d0
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And how was Obama supposed to do this with a Republican controlled congress?
Even when the Democrats regained control of congress in 2006, they recognized the need to try to end partisan division and start working to solve problems.
That is why Pelosi gave W a pass. They all knew that trying to impeach George, even if he was guilty, would have only further sewn the seeds of division.
Ironically, I like the fact the Obama says that he wants to work across the aisle and try to end partisanship. This country has been far too divide for too long.
Look for Obama to appoint some Republicans to his administration. I wouldn’t be surprised if Powell gets an offer…

Posted by: Geekmoid | November 3, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

d0,
This election IS the empeachment of GWB, or at least of his idealogy.
Colin Powell realised he had been suckered by Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and he got out of there. I don’t blame him for anything, albeit being a bit gullible.
The Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld lie was so huge that few of us believed it could be possible. I must admit that even I, normally a pacifist, believed that there must be justification for the Iraq war.
I was wrong, like the vast majority of Americans.
Obama was right all along.
One more reason to choose “The One”

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

d0,
“Any other democratic candidate, other than 0bama, would have gotten 70% support.”
I interpret that to mean you support the class struggle against the tyranical GOPers… but don’t think Obama is the right man to lead it.
lol

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Paul New man,
1. the ideals of Marxism is not the most dangerous thing. Quite opposite, they are very appealing. The practice, such as 0bama’s Class War which is the beginning of it, is very dangerous – the history of the 20th century is a proof.
2. you never answered the question of 0bama’s poor judgment to ridicule Hillary Clinton’s plan to target banking, mortgage and financial crisis one year ago. We know for sure, 100% sure, 0bama and Bush’s $600 check to some of you to stimulate the economy did nothing but tank the stockmarket by 45%.
Any insights, from a professional economist?

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

I just saw that McCain was going to campaign in Roswell today.
Is he looking for a way out?

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

I just saw that McCain was going to campaign in Roswell today.
Is he looking for a way out or from some help from ET?

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

Colin Powell realised he had been suckered by Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and he got out of there. I don’t blame him for anything, albeit being a bit gullible.
Posted by: Paul New man | Nov 3, 2008 12:50:52 PM
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He kept his cool. He said nothing, did nothing, kept his silence when he knew he was wrong, when he knew everything went hell. Where is his integrity, honor? Where is 0bama’s for the matter to be in bed with such a person?

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

d0,
Are you sure you don’t work with those Canadians who called Palin?

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

Paul New man,
No, I am just a worried american, fearing the same 8 years to come in 0bama.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

d0,
You speak so knowingly of Marxism. You remind me of someone who spent a good deal of his life in an Eastern Bloc country.
May that be true, just out of curiousity? No offense intended but I detect a bit of an accent in your writing.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Paul New man,
Steaming piles of epic proportions.

Posted by: Hippie Smasher | November 3, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

I know what Marxism is.
And 0bama is a very terrifying reminder.

Posted by: d0 | November 3, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Hippie Smasher,
Just had breakfast, did you?

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

Paul New man,
In a earlier post you say about Obama being able to reach across the aslise his record shows he does not

Posted by: reddog0216 | November 3, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Paul New Man,
Not hungry. Feed your buffet of BS to those you love.

Posted by: Hippie Smasher | November 3, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

BS = basted sturgeon
How did you guess?
Anyway, there’s nobody here.
They’ve all gone and voted early for Obama.

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

In fact, there’s really nobody here.
Why are we wasting our time?

Posted by: Paul New man | November 3, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

McCain’s speech:” My friends,i started fighting for you since i was seventeen and i have a scar to prove it”. Honestly, listening to his speech that he always repeat agian and again i get sooooo bored.I even already memorized soe of his speeches lol,Everybody knows that.But what if he’s fighting for since at the age of 17? Does that mean we have to vote for him because of that?
I don’t think so.

Posted by: michael | November 3, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Come on everybody, let’s cancel the election and leave Bush in as president! No really, all of the republicans told us he was the answer 8 years ago, and then again 4 years ago.
Come on, republicans know what they are talking about! He was going to be the greatest president ever! So why change? Right republicans? You pick the right president every time? You guys sure now how to pick them!
President Obama! Get use to it!

Posted by: Independent realist | November 3, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

call it rhetoric; call it what you will. This election is about returning America’s respect to its people all over the world. This election about restoring America’s place in the world as the most powerful nation on earth.
John Mckain talks about ‘turning the page on the Bush policies.’ well senator Mckain, I don’t know about you, but when I turn a page in a book, I usually continue reading the story. You should come out and say that you will finish the story and close the book on the Bush policies, but I guess, you are really not able or willing to dojust that.

Posted by: exatlantic | November 4, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am

What if McCain does win, God forbid;and you republicans upset him about something,he’s subject to throw a temper tantrum,walk out of office and threaten to change parties like he did in 2000 when he lost the nomination to Bush.Don’t look for my dem. candidate to bail you out then.

Posted by: incME | November 4, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am

What if McCain does win, God forbid;and you republicans upset him about something,he’s subject to throw a temper tantrum,walk out of office and threaten to change parties like he did in 2000 when he lost the nomination to Bush.Don’t look for my dem. candidate to bail you out then.

Posted by: incME | November 4, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am

The most appropriate skill for Obama is Minister of Poverty, Immigration and Human rights;
It would be good if he could do that instead which seem to be his main fundamentals running purposes.

Posted by: Karl Westwood | November 4, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am

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