Obama Addresses Guvs on Global Warming

He is so smart. And perceptive. I was at the coast the other day and didn’t EVEN NOTICE how high the sea levels have become.
Why couldn’t he have run for president 20 years ago? Oh yeah, he had not yet learned ALL wisdom from Reverent Wright.

Already off message! Remember Jimmy Carter and his goal to bring peace to the Middle East. This is the same type of behavior. It’s a futile goal that is unachievable and will end up wasting valuable time and effort. It’s how people who think they are smarter than everybody else end up being the biggest losers on earth. Can’t say I’m surprised.

That gives me hope.
It’s about time an American President stepped up to the plate and admitted what the rest of the world has been admitting for over a decade. Now the problem is getting India and China to step up as well.
Global initiatives are the right way but I’ll take restraint from the US on the path to sanity.

I hate to tell you, len. But HOPE based on things that arent true is not real useful.

I think this is crazy talk already. It is beyond dispute. Denial is not an acceptable response. So I am an idiot basically. Good luck trying to cap the rest of the world. If he didn’t know, most of the worlds population lives outside the U.S. China, Russia and a whole host of others are gonna act like they are on board and never do a damn thing about it. Good luck is all I can say, well besides that I think its well overblown at this point. Today we are 20 degrees below normal, not so warm here. Oh and the 1930′s was the warmest decade of record. Seems the climate shifts up and down throughout history.

“Denial is not an acceptable response. So I am an idiot basically”
In the words of Joe the Biden
“Yes.”

Global Warming is nothing more than this: A way for our pathetic government to extract more money from its subjects. Its an easy path to a world tax and control. Think about it, about how much power over industry a cap-and-trade system puts not only in the hands of the US government but also in the hands of world governments. I for one am sick of it. At what point will the American people wake up and see this for what it is? Its time for a revolution

“Global Warming is nothing more than this: A way for our pathetic government to extract more money from its subjects. Its an easy path to a world tax and control”
Global warming is a plot of the new world order……the mind boggles
Can we send all the lunatic right wingers to their own state so we can watch what complete screwups they are?

D, check this out from earlier this year.
WASHINGTON (AP) — New measurements show the ice in West Antarctica is thickening, reversing some earlier estimates that the sheet was melting.
Your extremest friend

“I like it when these people claim that some other past years were warmer than today.”
So what are we discussing here? “GLOBAL WARMING”?? Sounds to me that the globe should be warming. Seems the 1930′s was the warmest on record. But I am not allowed to state the past and the facts involved in it? Seems the ice shelf is not down to Kentucky anymore? Wonder how that happened without natually warming events. Now they say the earth is cooling, but how is that possible in “GLOBAL WARMING”?? I also haven’t heard of anyone complaining about the sea levels either. Lets get some measurements on that why we are at it. So whats the rise so far? I want facts people, not just some hypothetical analysis from a scientist that has a “ideaology” just like you and me. It wasn’t too long ago that scientist claimed another ice age. Talk about bi-polar.

“According to the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center, in the past 50 years, the western Antarctic peninsula has undergone the biggest temperature increase on Earth: up .9 degree Fahrenheit, or .5 degree Celsius, in each of the past five decades.”

How about we clean up the earth for our own health and not focus on global warming. I am more concerned about my environment with things like clean drinking water and clean air to breath. Don’t muddy the water with something that can’t be proven. We know bad air and bad water is bad for our health. Lets focus on things we know for sure and have hard evidence about. This global warming thing just makes things worse and waste more time on the road to the future. Wake up people this is all about politics.

The same people who swear global warming isn’t real are the same people who swear Iraq had WMDs.

“I hate to tell you, len. But HOPE based on things that arent true is not real useful.”
Do the basic science. Despite everything you think you know from the tea leaves of a little over a hundred years of data, basic science tells you you cannot pump that much carbon dioxide into the air and not change the balance.
The data is just that: data. Data are not facts. They are samples in some time series. Data has to fit a model to be of any predictive benefit and the model has to account for short term forced couplers (short term forces with noticeable effects that are not relevant over the long term of the model). Any sober person looking at the problem of anthropogenic forcing understands that short predictions are meaningless. It is only a longer series that reveals the patterns. The single events are meaningless.
Global warming is real. Understand it or get out of the way of those who do and will be able to do something about it. Your children’s children will thank you.

And just a comment on global warming in particular.
There was a time when the entire northern United states was covered in glaciers. Those glaciers melted, for that to have happened there had to be “global warming”. But humans had nothing to do with it.
Now show me anything, any reduction in ice caps or glaciers that can even come close to the melting of glaciers covering the northern United states?
So, why is it that people act like the world is ending, when we see much smaller changes in the global ice and snow?
We are looking at small changes and screaming that the world is ending, when we know for a fact that huge changes in glacier coverage occured without any help from humans!
So why is it that a glacier covering the Northern United states melting is a natural event, yet much smaller changes in glaciers has to be caused by humans and signals the end of world?
On animal extinction. 90% of all forms of life to have evolved on earth are now extict, with little help from man.
Extinction is a natural part of elvolution. But it seems humans think that the world is somehow supposed remain in a way that we dedice it should, even though we can see from history that the one thing the earth never does is remain as it is.
I think this is more about people thinking that they are so unique, that they are the center of nature and that everything should remain as we want it; and also that if it does not, it must be due to us.
Man once thought he was the center of the universe. I think some have found a new way to once agian think that!

President-elect Obama was very explicit in his intention to implement a carbon cap-and-trade system to reduce CO2 emissions, with an 80% reduction goal by 2050, and it should be mentioned that John McCain also deserves credit for supporting cap-and-trade. To me, these developments are a clear sign of how far the world, following the universal lead of science, has moved past arguing whether CO2 reduction is necessary, and is discussing how to accomplish it. It’s probably unrealistic to expect that all voices resisting a transition from fossil fuels to an economy reliant on renewable energy will immediately fall silent, but those of us who want our voices heard rather than ignored would be wise to engage in the discussion of carbon remediation options. The upcoming meeting in Poland will be another important step, although it’s regrettable that China will not be participating from what I understand. Even so, China has already begun to match rhetoric with some constructive actions to reduce the magnitude of its CO2 emissions while it continues to promote its industrialization efforts, and its desire to receive help from the West in implementing carbon control.technologies deserves a favorable response from the industrialized nations.
Fred Moolten

What a relief to have an administration that’s willing to rely on science and intellectual curiosity instead of superstition and religious pandering.

“Catastrophic AGW is a political debate, the science was abandoned long ago.”
Try again, Woody, because it is you who are out of your league. No credible climatologist disagrees with the long range predictions or the effects of increasing CO2 emissions by a third in the last century. Any sophomore math student can explain why using force models can’t forecast precise events and any sophomore chemistry student can explain Le Chatelier’s Principle to you.
The problem is not a single predicted event but the observable acceleration in the data and the effect of that in the models. Glacial melting is normal. Glaciers are melting at a rate faster than anytime in the last 5000 years (see World Glacier Monitoring Service records). The amount of snow falling has been reduced by a global temperature increase and it has fallen below the replacement rate.
Sorry Woody, but there isn’t enough space here to explain non-linear dynamic systems to you, but the sudden acceleration onset means a forcing factor or several small ones coupled (positive feedback with multiple inputs to the same value) have kicked into high gear. Whether it is the methane released from the permafrost or the carbon cycle sources such as reductions of the Amazon rain forest, the effects are real, observable, and predictable over short enough ranges to tell us we make our moves now or consign our grandchildren to the pain.

One more thing, len. I have an engineering degree so please enlighten me with your knowledge of non-linear dynamic systems. I’m all ears.

I looked at the World Glacier Monitoring Service website to satisfy my curiosity and I could find no mention of melting occuring faster than any time in the last 5000 years. While researching I did however find an interesting article in the Anchorage Daily News about how the brutal winter of 2007-2008 caused most of the glaciers in Alaska to have a positive mass balance for the first time in over 200 years.
Very interesting.

And yet, it doesn’t even matter what Woody’s opinion on the matter happens to be. The rest of the world is moving ahead with the plans while Woody can sit and steam about it in his hut in the mountains of the Ozarks.
Hope you like it up there, Woody!

And yet, it doesn’t even matter what Woody’s opinion on the matter happens to be. The rest of the world is moving ahead with the plans while Woody can sit and steam about it in his hut in the mountains of the Ozarks.
Hope you like it up there, Woody!
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I’m just asking questions. Aren’t you the least bit interested in the foundation of this so called movement? Or are you just looking for something to believe in? Are you at least interested in the social and economic ramifications of unilaterally reducing our carbon emissions to pre-1990 levels?
Question time!
1) Which country is the largest emitter of atmospheric CO2? Hint: They’re bringing a new coal-fired power plant online every week.
2) Conituation question: Why would this country invest so much in an energy source and then voluntarily decrease its usage over the next few years? Trick question. They won’t!
“Don’t stop – believing” – Journey

Facts: global warming is a non-issue. Climate change is a natural phenomenon.
Cleaner air is a good thing. But let us not force more manufacturing out of the country with overzealous and very costly regulations.
What we really need is a global reduction of humans by 50% or more.

The Scientific data is there! Read it people! Just because you choose to ignore and deny the problem, it doesn’t mean it is not real or that it will go away. A theory in general is not the same as a scientific theory. A scientific theory is something that you cannot disprove or dismiss. It cannot be proven true because Science cannot prove anything to be true. Science can only disprove information. A theory is a proposed explanation. It is tested and generally accepted. Do you not think that the “theory” of gravity is true, or the theory of relativity, or the quantum theory, or the theory of evolution? It tends to perturb me to see so many people base their opinions on their own so called “common sense.” If you are going to formulate an opinion, then why not research it and use Scientific evidence to back up your claims. Better yet, leave it to the Biologists and Climatologists that have done so already! Carbon dioxide is a naturally occurring and needed gas, but even naturally occuring things are only favorable in moderation and Carbon is not even the largest greenhouse gas problem. It is only one of the many gases responsible. The glaciers are indeed disappearing in the Alps and throughout the world. In response to the post on here that claims that the temperature changes being observed today are small compared to the previous temperature changes that melted the large glaciers of the northern United States, you’re right! Lets keep changing the temperatures. They’re relatively negligible anyway right? Wrong! A little change in average temperatures can create large problems. There was only a 5-9 degree difference in average temperatures during the last ice age that caused those glaciers of the Northern United States that you mentioned. Shall we just continue to act irresponsibly, take our chances, and hope for the best? We know what the average temperatures were before instruments that recorded them were available due to ice core samples and tree rings. Obama’s statement is absolutely correct! I wouldn’t go as far as to say I am in agreement with the Kyoto Protocol due to the detrimental economic effect it would have, but I think that we should rely more on renewable and sustainable energy resources.

Restoring America’s leadership on global warming is no easy task. US leadership has been lost over a sustained period as the current Administration has failed to make progress on global warming. (Sadly this is time we don’t have.) So, becoming a leader isn’t something that can be done overnight, but it will need to start from day one. President-elect Obama has already signaled that he will Restore American Leadership on Global Warming. So, what more does he have to do?
Well, a coalition of groups — including the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) — has just released a detailed plan Transition to Green which outlines actions for the new Administration and Congress on environmental issues.

The is no scientific proof that global warming is caused by CO2. NONE. That’s real science.
The global warming consensus reminds me of the flat earth consensus.

No one organization can give him the answers he needs to create a board of people that analyze the problem.

Obama can only do so much.. i agree with everyone else, the people of the US need to take a step in the right direction as well.