Obama ‘Apocalyptic?’

Has GWBush been newly appointed as a Cardinal of the US Catholic Church? Scare the holy crap out of the people – that’s what Bush and the Catholics seem most fond of doing. Trouble is, this hellfire preacher came out just a little too late because Obama has already been elected. Then again, maybe that’s his point. Demonize a seemingly decent man like Obama to start the ball of bad mouthing division of American politics. Catholic heirarchy are as bad as any old Bushie now aren’t they?

I am not Catholic and could care less about Cardinal J. Francis Stafford and what he thinks! The Cardinal does not speak for most people. He is however entitled to his opinion.
President-Elect Obama says he feels a woman should have the right to decide whether to have an abortion.
I believe the President-Elect made the correct decision.

Memo to Wacko priests, Say something useful like telling your fellow priets to stop raping little boys. Thank god (if there actually is one) that the wacko’s were defeated in November.

Great so we hate Christans who support Bush and now Catholics who DARE to not support Obama. He’s just a mortal man, he is NOT a religion! Get OVER yourselves!!!

Listen folks,
People should be scared of Mr. Obama if he seriously wants to pass the Freedom of Choice Act. That act would strip away any and all restrictions on abortion. The federal government would fund all abortions without restrictions. 2nd Semester abortions where the live unborn child is dismembered or their hearts pierced with needles for injection of a deadly poison and delivered dead. Catholic hospitals if they want any federal funding would be forced to do abortions. Doctors and nurses with a good moral sense not to participate in abortions would be forced to do so or quit their profession.

Maybe they should clear up that whole priest-child molestation thingee before they cast stones at others.
It’s not up for anyone to judge another person, I think their bible says that.

Well, he is right that Obama is always very alert to any threat, unlike W.
But the Catholic church seems to be headed in the same direction it was 500 years ago: irrelevance. At one time, the Pope ruled the Western world; now, no one cares what he says. The Church has discredited itself completely.
When and where did Christ say anything about abortion?

Roman Catholics and Conservative Evangelicals should unite like never before for the upcoming battle to stop the extreme Freedom of Choice Act that Obama has promised Planned Parenthood he will push to enact into law. My guess is and my hope is that enough prolife congressman and Senators will not vote for this wretched bill.

Superfluousness?

I recall pictures of George Bush being greeted by the Pope. George Bush –probably the biggest promoter of the death penalty in this country. I know the Catholic church is against the death penalty, (oh, and the Iraq War), so why would the Pope grant Bush an audience? What was in it for the church?

Exactly Christian,
Thou shall not kill. How can some people be so callous and indifferent to all the suffering in this world especially what goes on inside those god awful abortion clinics and abortions done at the most pretigious teaching hospitals in this hospital including Chicago Medical where Michelle Obama is a Vice-President.

“Thou shall not kill. How can some people be so callous and indifferent to all the suffering in this world especially what goes on inside those god awful abortion clinics and abortions done at the most pretigious teaching hospitals in this hospital including Chicago Medical where Michelle Obama is a Vice-President.”
ROFLMAO.
Right wingers treat the ten commandments like shall not kill like they treat the Constitution, only useful when butressing a position otherwise easily ignored.

I have never understood why it is that religious people feel it is there duty to push religion and their personal beliefs on other people. I am not religious, but I also support anyone’s right to be religious, go to church, practice their beliefs in their homes, and pass it on to their children. But why can’t they be happy with that and leave non-religious people alone?
I feel as though religion is a positive influence on many people, but it is also a crutch for people who need that extra boost to accomplish their goals in their lives. I, personally, believe in myself and my own strength to accomplish my goals, without the need for religion. I believe that as human evolution moves forward, religion will be increasingly less important to people.
I believe that religion should bring people together. Unfortunately, religion is more of a seperator, pushing people apart. And this Cardinal’s very public point of view just separates people, including the 56% of Catholics that voted for Obama. Politics and religion should NEVER cross paths, and this Cardinal should just keep all of this to himself if he wants his flock to grow and not shrink.

Let’s have a little more “verbal terrorism”—there’s a priest in No. Carolina telling Catholics who supported Obama to refrain from taking communion lest they “eat and drink to their own condemnation.” Now we have a cardinal telling us that Obama’s agenda is “aggressive, disruptive, apoclyptic” and that he campaigned on an “estremist anti-life platform.”
There’s that buzz word “anti-life”. It sits there to evoke terror in the hearts of religious folk everywhere. Just like the letter that came out from Focus on the Family and James Dobson before the election.
All this rhetoric seems to be there to create civil unrest, not to keep the lines of communication open, not to allow for any intelligent dialog, but to pontificate.
The central truth of Scripture is being obliterated by such tactics.

“oh by they way, hang, I’, glad Saddam Hussein was hanged was executed for his murderous deeds perpetrated on his own people.”
How predictable non pro-life.
Thou shall not kill does not have qualifiers.
“And George Bush did the right thing by going into Iraq and liberating the people from this dictator.”
Now it was liberation from a dictator? The reasons for going to war in iraq have taken on a salad bar feel. Just grab any old rationalization.
“Yes, mistakes were made in prosecuting this war but the surge is working”
Yes only a few hundred Iraqis died last month.
“and the Iraqi people know much more freedom now than ever.”
Hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead. Some directly by the hand of the US military, the rest because of the absolute incompetence of our occupation.
Thank you for perfectly illustration the moral bankruptcy of the right wing.
Abortion is the worst evil ever but war?
That’s all good.

“I get so tired of the the destruction. So tired of the culture of death.”
And yet this is how you describe a war in which hundreds of thousands have died with many more lives shattered all based on lies told to us by our leaders.
“Yes, mistakes were made in prosecuting this war”

“I’m tired of your bankrupt morality or better yet not morality.”
Bankrupt morality like cheering for war?

“Killing the unborn after having sex without being married is what is backward and destructive of the human race in general.”
You do realize, Lynn, that your description of the cause of abortion is incorrect, incomplete, and ridiculously naive, don’t you?

American soldiers did not behead innocent teachers in front of their students. American soldiers did not bury whole families alive in ditches. American soldiers did not have Kurds and Sunnis dig their own graves and then have Hussein’s soldiers shoot them point blank in the back of their heads.
American soldiers did not set off bombs in marketplaces that blew up innocent children to bits. The carnage so ugly American TV doesn’t show it.

“American soldiers did not behead innocent teachers in front of their students. American soldiers did not bury whole families alive in ditches. American soldiers did not have Kurds and Sunnis dig their own graves and then have Hussein’s soldiers shoot them point blank in the back of their heads.
American soldiers did not set off bombs in marketplaces that blew up innocent children to bits. The carnage so ugly American TV doesn’t show it.”
So Iraqis deserve to die? Is that what you are saying Lynn?

Apocalyptic? Good question but it is directed at the wrong person. The Bush years have done more apocalyptic damage. Let me count the ways: thousands killed and maimed here and abroad in the “war on terror”, pollution increased on earth due to wars and no support from the U.S.; poverty at home and abroad is on the increase; financial terror across the world, corruption at the corporate-capitalistic level increased. Just add to the list at will.
If an unwanted birth is terminated due to lack of family support, money or love then old men in the church need to find a way to feed, clothe, educate and nurture them. The Vatican should take responsibility for unwanted, unloved and undereducated children in the world. Until they do, they have no idea what is involved in child rearing in a modern world.

Catholic charities and love have helped countless poor people. including Mother Teresa.

“Catholic charities and love have helped countless poor people. including Mother Teresa.”
Yes they do. And Catholics who actually observe their religion are true pro-lifers in that they are against abortion, the death penalty and war.

Stafford…no credibility.

Jman, I know you do not want a debate on abortion but hear me out with this please. I will be direct.
Were you not an embryo and a 1st semester fetus? Were you not human? What logic are you using? It is not religious to say a 1st semester fetus is not human. It is medical. Now how about the 2nd semester as the fetus is growing more advanced and closer to birth. Were you not a 2nd semester fetus? Were you not human? What logic are you using? If you were human as an embryo, 1st semester fetus and a 2nd semester fetus shouldn’t we have had compassion for you when you were growing in your mother’s womb. Should not all growing fetuses also deserve compassion and not indifference?

Now, abortion kills a life. If left to grow and left alone by the abortionist doctor chances are the fetus would grow into be a neonate, walla a BABY. Yes I said it, a baby. A newborn.

I do believe the Catholic Church should lose its non-profit status if it involves itself in political matters. Separation of Church and State!

Roman Catholics and Evangelicals unite? Ha.
Thirty years ago any Catholic having been seen in another church was excommunicated. Catholics still believe Evangelicals are following a bastardized form of the true teachings. Not only that, but there’s a good number that believe Evangelicals will go to hell.

It would do my heart a great deal of good if various religious sects and leaders would stop trying to legislate from the pulpit. There a myriad of excellent reasons to maintain a high wall of separation between church and state, and this is a prime example.

Secular and people of faith that believe that we need to more rigorously enforce the seperation of church and state should unite to keep these zealots out of politics and legislation. I was raised Catholic. Thank god I knew those priests were always full of it.

How would anyone pretend to know what’s underneath “all that grace and charm”?
Obama carried the Catholic vote by 9%. The “Boys” must really feel threatened if they’re engaging in this kind of over-the-top rhetoric already.

As a Catholic, I really don’t get statements like these.
I voted for Obama and it seems to me that he looks at the abortion issue from a pragmatic side. Roe v. Wade is not going to be overturned but at the same time he said we should do all we can to reduce the number of abortions.

I am very happy that the Church is standing up for goodness, decency and common sense on this issue.
American doctors have now murdered 20-30 million innocent children in the name of convenience – children who deserved to live to become people with the “right to choose” how they would live their lives.
Comparatively, Germans killed 6 million under Hitler, and yet we condemn them without looking in the mirror at our own glaring crime.
Thank you Cardinal Stafford for your courage. Thank you for standing up to an increasingly blind mob – a mob that is growing more selfish, close-minded and dangerous.
Americans, please look into your own hearts. Some once believed that great evil could never happen in a civilized society like Germany. It did, and it can happen here in America. Killing is killing, no matter how others fool you into thinking otherwise. Please wake up before it’s too late to turn around, and before we become the next Nazi Germany.

It seems to me that people who get in this discussion don’t want to discuss these questions. They just want to pontificate.
How did a woman get an abortion before it was legalized? Or do you believe that abortions did not exist before Roe v. Wade?
Why would a woman get an abortion?
What can be done to reduce the number of abortions?
What is so wrong about birth control that some religious forbid it? Does it have something to do with the belief that the only purpose for sex is to create another human being? That seems to be the argument used against same sex relationships.

Wow, so is he going to with hold communion from all of the Catholic Soldiers that come back from Iraq?
Is he going to with hold communion from prison guards and officials who impose the death penalty?
Is he going to with hold communion from doctors that take patients off of life support due to being in a chronic vegetative state?
Is he going to with hold communion from doctors who perform research using embryonic stem cells?
This is a complex issue, I agree. But it’s not as simple as Kathy’s advice:
“The “it just happened” defense has never held any weight with me. On the whole, women know when they’re going to have sex. Ladies, if you plan on having sex and you do not want to get pregnant use some form of birth control-Catholic or not.”
Kathy-Sometimes people use birth control, and it doesn’t work! Sometimes people use condoms, and they break!
George- I will answer some questions for you:
It seems to me that people who get in this discussion don’t want to discuss these questions. They just want to pontificate.
How did a woman get an abortion before it was legalized? Or do you believe that abortions did not exist before Roe v. Wade?
Answer: Women either had illegal or self-induced abortions, and they sometimes died from infection, bled to death, and other atrocious complications. (Hence, Roe V Wade)
Why would a woman get an abortion? Answer: Contrary to the Pro-Life belief-Women are not excited or happy about getting abortions! Ususally, this is a very diffcult decision and most women that chose to do this feel that they have no other option. Topr reasons why a woman would chose to have an abortion if she 1. Became pregnant even though she used birth control 2. Was raped, or is in an abusive relationship 3. There is a health risk to the mother or child if carried to term
What can be done to reduce the number of abortions?
If schools (starting in 6th grade) had more informative sex-education courses that gave children & teens IN DEPTH information about sex, STDs, pregnancy, and child development, there would be less unwanted pregnancies. If sex-ed teachers were allowed to give out contraceptives, and referrals to Pl. Parenthod, there would be a lot less unwanted pregnancies.
What is so wrong about birth control that some religious forbid it? Does it have something to do with the belief that the only purpose for sex is to create another human being? YES
That seems to be the argument used against same sex relationships.

Couldn’t have said it better myself, Cardinal Stafford. Thank you for your Christ-like courage.
May the Mother of God protect us as we expose evil and beg people to turn away from the culture of DEATH.