Obama Cabinet: Mix of Star Power, Brain Power, and Political Muscle
One Obama adviser told me the Obama cabinet is shooting for a combination of Team of Rivals and The Best and the Brightest, the David Halberstam book about the incoming Kennedy administration.
Look at the range of people that Obama is considering for his cabinet.
Hillary Clinton for State, a former first lady and his former rival.
Bill Richardson for Commerce, a former energy secretary, a former U.N. Ambassador and Governor of New Mexico.
Tom Daschle, the former Senate Majority Leader, coming in as Secretary of Health and Human Services.
We have not seen this kind of combination of star power, brain power, and political muscle this early in a cabinet in our lifetimes.
–George Stephanopoulos
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So where’s the CHANGE????
All these people are politicians who are Washington insiders. No surprise–we know he owes favors to everybody.
He could have at least picked some brilliant economist out of the Wharton School or some other institution who would focus on the economy and not his political possibilities. We need fresh people, not these worn-out, used-up, did-nothing-so-far people.
I knew his CHANGE was a big lie to get elected. Four more years of the same old shiX.
Posted by: NMSands | November 24, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
And what are you going to be in the Obama administration, Georgie?
You kissed his butt more than anybody so I felt sure you’d get a Cabinet position.
Posted by: carrieonow | November 24, 2008, 8:20 am 8:20 am
“I knew his CHANGE was a big lie to get elected. Four more years of the same old shiX”.
What a crock of B.S. Change also means not kissing the NeoCons and big business Arses. Let a man get to work Jan 20th. God knows we have had 8 years of a Mama’s baby boy who has screwed the pooch while the blithering idiot NeoCons drooled and smiled.
Posted by: Clint | November 24, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am
I am trying to wait to see what his change will be. When he said change I thought he would bring in all new people not the past clinton admin. I will still wait and reserve judgement.. but he needs to make some changes quick.
Posted by: truth | November 24, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am
It’s SO nice to have Jimmay Carter back in the White House. I mean NOBODY has done more to help improve the countries standing overseas and financially than than helplees little man Jimmy Carter (er. Barack Obama) Folks do a little research into what the 70′s was like, compare that to today and what Obama is proposing. Tell me with a straight face and without laughing that isn’t the case after a long examination. If you are intellectually honest with yourself, if now one else, you will see the folly of what is to come over the next four years. Bush was brought in to create this mess, Obama was put in to finish us off! Isn’t it nice how bipartisan our politicians can be when they benefit off of the backs of our labor. Just think what could happen if WE had controll over our money and NOT Washington DC!!!
Posted by: please! | November 24, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
You’re absolutely right, George. Those who can’t see how the value of experience complements the apparent change of a leader with fresh ideas are naive and/or foolish.
Who the heck would want a learning curve right now – when this country is a mess? We need smart, experienced people. Not ivy tower blowhards, but people who know how to get things done. I’d have little patience for people fumbling around and making mistakes. Give me wisdom and intellect so we can focus on the solutions.
Obama brings change because of his ideas – which are vastly different from the irresponsible and unreasonable (not to mention short sighted) deregulation of Phil Gramm and company – there’s your change, people.
Posted by: soapboxmom | November 24, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
Firstly, 9 out of 10 of the idiots posting criticisms about the perceived lack of “Change” never supported Obama in the first place…so all of those who are currently posturing as if they were somehow betrayed by false promises during the campaign can…how should I say…suck it, basically. Change is about improvement, not wholesale reversals. Keep what works, change what doesn’t…it’s so simple even a child can grasp it easily. And yet there’s a parade of bitter detractors (losers) that will persist with these moronic charges. Maybe change is about competence and sound judgement. Maybe change is about ideology. Best yet, maybe change is, and should be, about results, and it’s too early to pass judgement on that yet. But even if that change, the real, important change, comes, some jackass will still be complaining that Obama still puts his pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else and how can that be change? Maybe if Obama filled his cabinet with complete unknowns (no experience or demonstrated competence required), and then have everyone walk on their hands…
Posted by: Hokie Freak | November 24, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
NMSands
If you can’t see the change…you need new glasses.
It is like saying… a coach actually is taking most of the same team and actually running new plays and better positioning… and players from other teams…
and saying “where’s the change?”
if you do not see the change…then I am glad you are not the one picking the coaching staff.
Posted by: dl | November 24, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Good morning to you mr george, I watch your program every sunday mornning, I like it because you tell’s it like it is,Now I hare about Balling the banks out? well who is going to ball we elder older peoples out? when the overdraft charges as high as they are,do you know that if we be overdrafted for the amount of Just $1.00. we be charged the sum of $35.00? Plus a $8.00 a day until our next check come on the 3rd of each month? I have a friend of mine whole check was taken one month for a overdraft of $5.00, because he could not pay it off before the next check day which was on the 3rd of each month,Now if the banks is all that broke, well where is all of that money going?
Thank you
Joseph Rosenthal
Josephrosental@sbcglobal.net
Posted by: Joseph Rosenthal | November 24, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Yes yes.Obama seems to be making WISE decisions picking these heavyweights and EXPERIENCED people that KNOW HOW to get results.He is making decisions that will effect our economy and standing in a positive manner.He is picking people who know how to get the job done.Thank God we have a president that is coming to Washington who realizes that he needs tested Washington hands on deck to get us moving in the right direction.He has the insight and leadership to know how to mobilize the right people.He did it in his well managed campaign and by all appearances he’ll do it in his presidency.Barack Obama is a natural leader.GOBAMA!!!!
Posted by: TV | November 24, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
NMSands:
No one needs a brain surgery to understand what it means by “CHANGE”. The meaning of it is not to bring new faces. It is quite simple; do it differently.
No one can bring the real change if they do not understand what they are doing,
I salute our Pres. elect Obama, he is moving on the right path. He is appointing very experienced people and with no doubt they are going to deliver.
Open your eyes widely and watch the “CHANGE” coming. Its going to happen.. Trust me and him!
Posted by: FM | November 24, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
change we can believe in – yeah right
Posted by: princephillipc | November 24, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Scintillating commentary princess phillip.
Posted by: Hokie Freak | November 24, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
“Who the heck would want a learning curve right now”
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Obviously the country does. Otherwise we would not have elected a man with ZERO experience in running a government and barely a few months of “experience” at being a US Senator.
This is not surprising to those of us who have been saying he has no experience since the beginning. He has been campaigning for past 3-4 yrs, he has not been gaining expereince in how to govern or how create a government.
When Thomas Jefferson said that “people get the government they deserve,” it was more than just a clever turn of phrase. It also was not an isolated insight but a timeless truth, one expressed by many others.
Did anyone see “24″ last night and the woman President’s speech – she grabbed on that line.
Posted by: Mike_C | November 24, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
I am 50 years old and I have not seen or heard people say, “someone for the people is finally in office.” Now having said that, the events of the day will dictate much how what Obama will or will not be able to do. I haven’t seen people (black and white) this excited since JFK.
Posted by: steven wilson | November 24, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
hey freak – take it easy. i was just pointing out the fact i heard obama say about 10 million times over the campaign that Mccain is an insider and it’s eight more years of Bush – i’ll bring the change you need. Then he chooses HILLARY CLINTON for Sec of State, are you kidding me?
Posted by: princephillipc | November 24, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
So many of you are clamboring “Where’s change, Where’s change??!!??”
Well duhhhh. The Change is here in this article. Competence over ideology. Quality over congruence. Discussion over division. Educated strength over monolithic power. Look, ya yutzes, change doesn’t necessarily mean untested, unproven, flashy, take-a-wild-chance ventures that have little hope of success. Often change means a shift of direction toward more well-thought-out alternatives. If you’re expecting Mohammed-from-the-mountain-top revelation, get over it. Enjoy a new experience with the presidency: thoughtful competence.
Posted by: Byrd | November 24, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
SteveWilson,
I’m 49 and was born in 1959, I’m rather curious how you were so observant of the reaction to Kennedy as a 2yr old.
Freak,
Get used to the idea that the CHANGE you voted for is not coming. Obama ranted & raved about certain economic issues for months, let us see if he gets to Jan 20 before he has to publicly state that he is NOT going to double the capital gains tax as he said he would throughout the campaign. There are millions of people who have very long term investments in the markets, 20, 30, 40 yrs who only have a small window of time left to pull their money out before the next tax year begins.
The last thing the markets need now is huge number of long term investers who now need that money (Remember, the first phase of the baby boomers is now retiring!). These folks are not going to just wait and hope that Obama does not double the capital gains tax!
Posted by: Mike_C | November 24, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
“Look, ya yutzes, change doesn’t necessarily mean untested, unproven, flashy, take-a-wild-chance ventures that have little hope of success.”
Strange – That is exactly what the country voted for on Nov 4th.
Posted by: Mike_C | November 24, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Great. The real CHANGE is coming to Washington. It is a combination of Star Power and Brain power. These people will do everything to get us out of this econnomics mess and move in the right directions and the best way forward.
Yes, it’s the Change we can believe in.
Posted by: I.A.T.SMITH | November 24, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Great. The real CHANGE is coming to Washington. It is a combination of Star Power and Brain power. These people will do everything to get us out of this econnomics mess and move in the right directions and the best way forward.
Yes, it’s the Change we can believe in.
Posted by: I.A.T.SMITH | November 24, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
IAT,
post it a third time and maybe Tinkerbell will come and spread the dust!
Posted by: Mike_C | November 24, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
It’s so comforting to know that barry is surrounding himself with people far more qualified then he is to run this country.
Posted by: dave | November 24, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
I.A.T.S
I can honestly see you being one of the more enthusiastic people drinking jim jone’s kool-aid.
repeat after me…
yes we can
yes we can
yes we can
you obamabots are scary!
Posted by: dave | November 24, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
I should think the OUTCOME of bringing together familiar faces is the change we should seek. After all, what would total new-comers to the scene do? It takes those who knOw what happened, when, and how to fix it. Needless to say, there are some bright new minds out there. But, in the current mess we’re in, it’s no time for experiments. He can do that later.
Posted by: SierraBW | November 24, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
I really don’t see how a Billary-Obama administration is going to succeed. Hillary is obviously the power behind the throne.
Posted by: tvjames | November 24, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Of course he is reaching out and recruiting talented and experienced people. Change is not about assembling a team of novices and rookies! That would not only be irresponsible, but downright crazy. Change comes from attitude. Change comes from direction. Change comes from the tone set by the leader. Change comes from a philosophy of leadership. Change does not come from a bunch of rookies!
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TO ALL LOYAL AMERICANS this is how you should fly your flag this great nation is about to face its toughest hour for the youth and the poor have spoken.the youth of america i have seen first hand and a wi game is not the answer the poor are poor couse they want to be the hand outs are easier to get than the sweat needed for a hard days work.i personal followed a home less man in dallas heres his day 5.00 am they put him out of a free shelter.walks 2 blocks injoyed a free breakfast with hot coffee(i paid $1.29 at knox truck stop for a cup.after honey buns coffee and he walks across from the shelter and starts to pan handles this continues until about 11:00am only stopping to visit the local beer store where about noon he goes inside a soup kitchen and injoys a lunch,i dont know what he had but probably better than the cold bologna i had. i located him back on the corner about 2.10 pm where the rest of the day he drank and pan handled until returning to the shelter at 5:pm to eat dinner and sleep at the shelter.all this is fine but this man more than likely recieves food stamps,which are sold for drugs or beer,also i bet he recieves a goverment check every week the shelter provides health care free from baylor and wadley also a bus is at the shelter every week for dental i personal have a wisdom tooth thats killing me about $225.00 dollers to pull and this is whats killing america they are no longer productive members of society and abuse the system its at all levels in the welfare system from disability to child care.we take care of illegals,ship tons food and money to foreighn countries that hate us they can get all the fancy names people that you want AMERICANS or shall i say like me and the ones i talk to no longer want to support these big cities with there homeless or forieghn countries help your neighbor not a african or haiti save your money for your children or grandchildren the american dream is earned not givin to you by a goverment hand out,i am middleclass and they say we are in a bad way well i disagree,the new blackberry sold well,that new vampire movie twighlight did well people are still buying large amounts of alchohol,i see plenty of cars with big rims costing thousands of dollers on them plenty of bling to go around every one still has a cell for still paying texting bills heck i bet someone out there struggling is still paying a high dsl bill only bad decision makers are struggling. most people the goverment is saying are struggling are sitting at home wife with 2 or 3 kids on section 8
a lot of them illegal getting foodstamps wic ssi and hitting every church up they can find while there boyfriend or husband who they claim does not live there to recieve all this.i have a solution do not have more kids than you can afford to raise i personally do not want to raise little jose or tamica why do we have i or we as taxpayers have to bare that burden,i didnt open her legs,i did not impregnate her so why do i have to pay for the doctor,infamil,food,school or any other normal things that come with responsability,this is why america is broke,if i msspell please excuse me i am indigent.this is why goverment should not control the U.S and exactly why OBAMA will bring this nation to its knees
just for the record,bringing the troops home will not stop those terrorist.they will follow you here,they have been fighting since jesus.it will only bring them here and couse us to be like europe.does any one share my opinion i have more of low level corruption by so called helpless middle class
Posted by: iamready | November 24, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
William J. LePetomaine
Wow… you have been drinking the kool-aid for a looooong time.
yes we can give out more entitlements
yes we can have a peace pipe with ahkmandenijead
yes we can spread the wealth around
yes we can follow barry O right off a cliff…
Posted by: liberalshateAmerica | November 24, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
LOL, liberals. Keep stokin’ that hatred
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | November 24, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
liberalshateamerica: your name shows your ignorance of US History. Liberal Democrats got women the vote. Liberal Democrats created Social Security. Liberal Democrats got the 8-hour work day. Liberal Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act. Liberal Democrats created the New Deal. Liberal Democrats worked us out of the Great Depression with legislation and programs. Liberal Democrats passed equal opportunity for the disabled. Liberal Democrats ended the war in Vietnam. GET A CLUE!
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | November 24, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
So we’re worried about change before he’s even in the White House? Oh, you’re all saying that because he’s picked people who’ve worked in DC before, I get it. Sorry for the sarcasm, but has anyone noticed how brilliant these people are? If anyone can change things it’s these people so just hold on to your pre-judgements for a while.
And speaking of change, how about the average IQ in the White House? Isn’t it going to go up a few points at least? That’s the best start to a new administration that I can think of. Try to keep that in mind.
Posted by: LONNIE | November 24, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
William J. LePetomaine
Liberals like Lyndon Johnson? A VERY outspoken racist who only passed the legislation because he had to.
Or how about George Wallace, the most notorious segregationist ever.
What about Byrd, he was a real winner.
Liberal policies of entitlements extended the depression to last 10 years when the market could have worked itself out in 2.
You want credit for the new deal- you can have it!
Republicans have Martin Luther King and Abe Lincoln in our corner. Looking back, I don’t even recognize what the dems used to be “ask not what your country can for you but rather…….” has turned into barry’s “spread the wealth around” entitelment socialist policies.
Change is a comin!
Posted by: liberalshateAmerica | November 24, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
man i am dum i thought ww11 got us out the depression by selling bombs planes bullets and other things to our allies did they pay us back?and the other things man look at social security
look how we left vietnam same way we are going to leave iraq getting shot in the ass as we are leaving good way support troops and america but we have become a shameless nation watch tv
Posted by: i am ready | November 24, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
I have to say, this bit is priceless.. especially when coming from an Obamabot.
“Who the heck would want a learning curve right now – when this country is a mess? We need smart, experienced people. Not ivy tower blowhards, but people who know how to get things done.”
- soapboxmom
This is what the educated half of the country was saying BEFORE the election.. but you didn’t listen then and voted for Obama anyway.
Posted by: howwouldiknow | November 24, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
William J. LePetomaine
As for ending the war in vietnam, you are right, it was the democrats who bound Nixon’s hands in assisting the South Vietnamese after America said it would if the North became agressive again.
As a result, MILLIONS OF SOUTH VIETNAMESE WERE SLAUGHTERED BY THE NORTH. Students were forced to hang their teachers. Hundreds of thousands were forced into “reeducation camps”.
Funny I don’t here liberals like you, Jane Fonda, Mike Moore, sean penn, talk about those things though.. You are too busy praising and hanging out with America’s enemies, like hugo chavez.
Posted by: liberalshateAmerica | November 24, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
am i right fdr 1933-1945 things really didnt get any better until 1940 when we started to supply and finance our allies and then 1941 men(mostly white then)left for war this created huge gaps in the workforce and also this let blacks and women more into factorys and got americas war machine working more jobs filled more people working more money in taxes being paid and im not to sure but wasnt the workforce created by fdr becouse they had no welfare foodstamps ssi wic they rationed i believe what a concept
Posted by: iamready | November 24, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
“Who the heck would want a learning curve right now – when this country is a mess? We need smart, experienced people. Not ivy tower blowhards, but people who know how to get things done.”
- soapboxmom
Soapboxmom…..do yourself a favor…grab a dictionary and look up the word PARADOX….
You will find enlightment there!
Posted by: Mike_C | November 24, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Dear George,
Do you have any idea what will be the role of John Carry?
with regards
Alex
Posted by: Alex Berhanu | November 24, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
didnt fdr also just take by passing a order take all private american gold from them to help just took peoples gold and made it illegal to own sounds like katrina guns and new orleans
Posted by: iamready | November 24, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Not being an American, I may not quite understand what change means to Americans. But I think change does not necessarily mean changing people. In fact, changing people does not really matter if ideas and methodology do not change. I think the Obama change really involves changing the way things are done in Washington, changing ideas and not necessarily changing people. In any case, the Obama team is not the Bush team so even there, change is really coming to America. There is also a big change in doing things – surely.
Posted by: Chief Bisong Etahoben | November 24, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
phillipc…at least you tried to make a point this time (barely).
Mike_C…de Tocqueville said that “in a democracy, the people get the government they deserve”…not TJ.
liberalshateAmerica…you confuse the terms “democrat” and “liberal”. Please look up the term “dixiecrat”. Also your screen name makes it hard to take you seriously.
iamready…FYI only Finland paid back US war debt and they did it in WWI and WWII. Furthermore your rant is as racist as it is stupid. “Rims” and “Cellphones”, “Jose” and “Tamica”, pretty transparent…I wonder how much these programs are actually costing YOU since you seem to have enough free time to follow the homeless around all day and chronical their experiences. Maybe you had to pull that wisdom tooth because your mouth is so rotten with hate. You can tell the innocent children of poverty that mommy should have “shut her legs”, etc…but that won’t feed or educate him so don’t be surprised when he cracks your skull at an ATM machine someday. My favorite part was “…if i msspell please excuse me i am indigent”. Your spelling is atrocious (even misspelled the word misspell…priceless). Indigent means poor by the way…not righteously angry, that’s indignant. The irony is so rich my stomach hurts. I also see you favor our presence in Iraq. How do you think that expense compares with entitlements? Don’t worry…I will tell you…
Posted by: Hokie Freak | November 24, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
And now some budget facts for our hateful “saltine” buddies like iamready who think America is screwed because a poor child of color might get a meal or a vacciantion at the state/nation’s expense:
According to The Budget for Fiscal Year 2008, Historical Tables, total outlays for Means Tested Entitlements in 2006 were $354.3 billion. This was 2.7% of GDP and includes Medicaid, food stamps, family support assistance (AFDC), supplemental security income (SSI), child nutrition programs, refundable portions of earned income tax credits (EITC and HITC) and child tax credit, welfare contingency fund, child care entitlement to States, temporary assistance to needy families, foster care and adoption assistance, State children’s health insurance and veterans pensions. If we exclude Medicaid, health care for children and veterans pensions it is 0.89 % of GDP, or $117 billion. This represents approximately 7.5% of total non-Social Security receipts to the Federal Government. So, for every one of your tax dollars to the Federal Government, about 7.5 cents goes to these programs. The average taxpayer had a tax rate of 12.45% in 2005, so if we multiply things out we see that about 0.93% of the average taxpayer’s income went to non-medical “welfare”. Meanwhile the US budget for Iraq in FY 2007 came to 4,988/Iraqi. This is triple Iraq’s per-person GDP. It’s like spending $121,000 per person ($484,000 per family of 4) in the US.
DO YOU GET IT NOW? That’s right, some brother’s rims and cell phone didn’t ruin our economy as you are so fond of thinking you simple-minded, hateful rube.
Posted by: Hokie Freak | November 24, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
William J. LePetomaine
THE BEST ARE FROM BIDEN AT THE BOTTOM…
Blacks “are inferior to the whites in the endowments of both of body and mind.”
–Thomas Jefferson, 1787
Co-founder of the Democratic Party (along with Andrew Jackson)
President, 1801-09
“I hold that the present state of civilization, where two races of different origin, and distinguished by color, and other physical differences, as well as intellectual, are brought together, the relation now existing in the slaveholding states between the two, is, instead of an evil, a good–a positive good.”
–Sen. John C. Calhoun (D., S.C.), 1837
Vice President, 1825-32
His statue stands in the U.S. Capitol.
“If blacks were given the right to vote, that would “place every splay-footed, bandy-shanked, hump-backed, thick-lipped, flat-nosed, woolly-headed, ebon-colored Negro in the country upon an equality with the poor white man.”
–Rep. Andrew Johnson, (D., Tenn.), 1844
President, 1865-69
“Resolved, That the Democratic Party will resist all attempts at renewing, in Congress or out of it, the agitation of the slavery question, under whatever shape or color the attempt may be made.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1852
Blacks are “a subordinate and inferior class of beings who had been subjugated by the dominant race.”
–Chief Justice Roger Taney, Dred Scott v. Sandford, 1856
Appointed Attorney General by Andrew Jackson in 1831
Appointed Secretary of the Treasury by Andrew Jackson in 1833
Appointed to the Supreme Court by Andrew Jackson in 1836
“Resolved, That claiming fellowship with, and desiring the co-operation of all who regard the preservation of the Union under the Constitution as the paramount issue–and repudiating all sectional parties and platforms concerning domestic slavery, which seek to embroil the States and incite to treason and armed resistance to law in the Territories; and whose avowed purposes, if consummated, must end in civil war and disunion, the American Democracy recognize and adopt the principles contained in the organic laws establishing the Territories of Kansas and Nebraska as embodying the only sound and safe solution of the ‘slavery question’ upon which the great national idea of the people of this whole country can repose in its determined conservatism of the Union–NON-INTERFERENCE BY CONGRESS WITH SLAVERY IN STATE AND TERRITORY, OR IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA” (emphasis in original).
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1856
“I hold that a Negro is not and never ought to be a citizen of the United States. I hold that this government was made on the white basis; made by the white men, for the benefit of white men and their posterity forever, and should be administered by white men and none others.”
–Sen. Stephen A. Douglas (D., Ill.), 1858
Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party, 1860
“Resolved, That the enactments of the State Legislatures to defeat the faithful execution of the Fugitive Slave Law, are hostile in character, subversive of the Constitution, and revolutionary in their effect.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1860
“The Almighty has fixed the distinction of the races; the Almighty has made the black man inferior, and, sir, by no legislation, by no military power, can you wipe out this distinction.”
–Rep. Fernando Wood (D., N.Y.), 1865
Mayor of New York City, 1855-58, 1860-62
“My fellow citizens, I have said that the contest before us was one for the restoration of our government; it is also one for the restoration of our race. It is to prevent the people of our race from being exiled from their homes–exiled from the government which they formed and created for themselves and for their children, and to prevent them from being driven out of the country or trodden under foot by an inferior and barbarous race.”
–Francis P. Blair Jr., accepting the Democratic nomination for Vice President, 1868
Democratic Senator from Missouri, 1869-72
His statue stands in the U.S. Capitol.
“Instead of restoring the Union, it [the Republican Party] has, so far as in its power, dissolved it, and subjected ten states, in time of profound peace, to military despotism and Negro supremacy.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1868
“While the tendency of the white race is upward, the tendency of the colored race is downward.”
–Sen. Thomas Hendricks (D., Ind.), 1869
Democratic nominee for Vice President, 1876
Vice President, 1885
“We, the delegates of the Democratic party of the United States . . . demand such modification of the treaty with the Chinese Empire, or such legislation within constitutional limitations, as shall prevent further importation or immigration of the Mongolian race.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1876
“No more Chinese immigration, except for travel, education, and foreign commerce, and that even carefully guarded.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1880
“American civilization demands that against the immigration or importation of Mongolians to these shores our gates be closed.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1884
“We favor the continuance and strict enforcement of the Chinese exclusion law, and its application to the same classes of all Asiatic races.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1900
“The repeal of the fifteenth amendment, one of the greatest blunders and therefore one of the greatest crimes in political history, is a consummation to be devoutly wished for.”
–Rep. John Sharpe Williams (D., Miss.), 1903
House Minority Leader, 1903-08
“Republicanism means Negro equality, while the Democratic Party means that the white man is supreme. That is why we Southerners are all Democrats.”
–Sen. Ben Tillman (D., S.C.), 1906
Chairman, Committee on Naval Affairs, 1913-19
“We are opposed to the admission of Asiatic immigrants who can not be amalgamated with our population, or whose presence among us would raise a race issue and involve us in diplomatic controversies with Oriental powers.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1908
“I am opposed to the practice of having colored policemen in the District [of Columbia]. It is a source of danger by constantly engendering racial friction, and is offensive to thousands of Southern white people who make their homes here.”
–Sen. Hoke Smith (D., Ga.), 1912
Appointed Secretary of the Interior by Grover Cleveland in 1893
“The South is serious with regard to its attitude to the Negro in politics. The South understands this subject, and its policy is unalterable and uncompromising. We desire no concessions. We seek no sops. We grasp no shadows on this subject. We take no risks. We abhor a Northern policy of catering to the Negro in politics just as we abhor a Northern policy of social equality.”
–Josephus Daniels, editor, Raleigh News & Observer, 1912
Appointed Secretary of the Navy by Woodrow Wilson in 1913
Appointed Ambassador to Mexico by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933
USS Josephus Daniels named for him by the Johnson Administration in 1965
“The Negro as a race, in all the ages of the world, has never shown sustained power of self-development. He is not endowed with the creative faculty. . . . He has never created for himself any civilization. . . . He has never had any civilization except that which has been inculcated by a superior race. And it is a lamentable fact that his civilization lasts only so long as he is in the hands of the white man who inculcates it. When left to himself he has universally gone back to the barbarism of the jungle.”
–Sen. James Vardaman (D., Miss.), 1914
Chairman, Committee on Natural Resources, 1913-19
“This is a white man’s country, and will always remain a white man’s country.”
–Rep. James F. Byrnes (D., S.C.), 1919
Appointed to the Supreme Court by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1941
Appointed Secretary of State by Harry S. Truman in 1945
“Slavery among the whites was an improvement over independence in Africa. The very progress that the blacks have made, when–and only when–brought into contact with the whites, ought to be a sufficient argument in support of white supremacy–it ought to be sufficient to convince even the blacks themselves.”
–William Jennings Bryan, 1923
Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party, 1896, 1900 and 1908
Appointed Secretary of State by Woodrow Wilson in 1913
His statue stands in the U.S. Capitol.
“Anyone who has traveled to the Far East knows that the mingling of Asiatic blood with European or American blood produces, in nine cases out of ten, the most unfortunate results. . . . The argument works both ways. I know a great many cultivated, highly educated and delightful Japanese. They have all told me that they would feel the same repugnance and objection to have thousands of Americans settle in Japan and intermarry with the Japanese as I would feel in having large numbers of Japanese coming over here and intermarry with the American population. In this question, then, of Japanese exclusion from the United States it is necessary only to advance the true reason–the undesirability of mixing the blood of the two peoples. . . . The Japanese people and the American people are both opposed to intermarriage of the two races–there can be no quarrel there.”
–Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1925
President, 1933-45
“This passport which you have given me is a symbol to me of the passport which you have given me before. I do not feel that it would be out of place to state to you here on this occasion that I know that without the support of the members of this organization I would not have been called, even by my enemies, the ‘Junior Senator from Alabama.’ ”
–Hugo Black, accepting a life membership in the Ku Klux Klan upon his election to the U.S. Senate as a Democrat from Alabama, 1926
Appointed to the Supreme Court by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1937
“Mr. President, the crime of lynching . . . is not of sufficient importance to justify this legislation.”
–Sen. Claude Pepper (D., Fla.), 1938
Spoken while engaged in a six-hour speech against the antilynching bill
“I am a former Kleagle [recruiter] of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County. . . . The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia. It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state in the union.”
–Robert C. Byrd, 1946
Democratic Senator from West Virginia, 1959-present
Senate Majority Leader, 1977-80 and 1987-88
Senate President Pro Tempore, 1989-95, 2001-03, 2007-present
His portrait stands in the U.S. Capitol.
President Truman’s civil rights program “is a farce and a sham–an effort to set up a police state in the guise of liberty. I am opposed to that program. I have voted against the so-called poll tax repeal bill. . .. I have voted against the so-called anti-lynching bill.”
–Rep. Lyndon B. Johnson (D., Texas), 1948
U.S. Senator, 1949-61
Senate Majority Leader, 1955-61
President, 1963-69
“There is no warrant for the curious notion that Christianity favors the involuntary commingling of the races in social institutions. Although He knew both Jews and Samaritans and the relations existing between them, Christ did not advocate that courts or legislative bodies should compel them to mix socially against their will.”
–Sen. Sam Ervin (D., N.C.), 1955
Chairman, Committee on Government Operations, 1971-75
“The decline and fall of the Roman empire came after years of intermarriage with other races. Spain was toppled as a world power as a result of the amalgamation of the races. . . . Certainly history shows that nations composed of a mongrel race lose their strength and become weak, lazy and indifferent.”
–Herman E. Talmadge, 1955
Democratic Senator from Georgia, 1957-81
Chairman, Committee on Agriculture, 1971-81
“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”
–Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D., Texas), 1957
“I have never seen very many white people who felt they were being imposed upon or being subjected to any second-class citizenship if they were directed to a waiting room or to any other public facility to wait or to eat with other white people. Only the Negroes, of all the races which are in this land, publicly proclaim they are being mistreated, imposed upon, and declared second-class citizens because they must go to public facilities with members of their own race.”
–Sen. Richard B. Russell Jr. (D., Ga.), 1961
The Russell Senate Office Building is named for him.
“I did not lie awake at night worrying about the problems of Negroes.”
–Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, 1961
Kennedy later authorized wiretapping the phones and bugging the hotel rooms of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
“I’m not going to use the federal government’s authority deliberately to circumvent the natural inclination of people to live in ethnically homogeneous neighborhoods. . . . I have nothing against a community that’s made up of people who are Polish or Czechoslovakian or French-Canadian or blacks who are trying to maintain the ethnic purity of their neighborhoods.”
–Jimmy Carter, 1976
President, 1977-81
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, 2002
“The Confederate Memorial has had a special place in my life for many years. . . . There were many, many times that I found myself drawn to this deeply inspiring memorial, to contemplate the sacrifices of others, several of whom were my ancestors, whose enormous suffering and collective gallantry are to this day still misunderstood by most Americans.”
–James Webb, 1990
Now a Democratic Senator from Virginia
“Everybody likes to go to Geneva. I used to do it for the Law of the Sea conferences and you’d find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they’d just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva.”
–Sen. Ernest F. Hollings (D., S.C.) 1993
Chairman, Commerce Committee, 1987-95 and 2001-03
Candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, 1984
“I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia [Sen. Robert C. Byrd, a former Ku Klux Klan recruiter] that he would have been a great senator at any moment. . . . He would have been right during the great conflict of civil war in this nation.”
–Sen. Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.), 2004
Chairman, Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs
Candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, 2008
“You cannot go into a Dunkin’ Donuts or a 7-Eleven unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
“My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state has the eighth largest black population in the country. My state is anything [but] a Northeastern liberal state.”
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African American [Barack Obama] who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy.”
“There’s less than 1% of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4% or 5% that is, are minorities. What is it in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you’re dealing with.”
Sen. Joseph Biden Jr., (D., Del.), 2006-07
Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary, 1987-95
Chairman, Committee on Foreign Relations
Candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, 2008
Bonus quote:
“It has of late become the custom of the men of the South to speak with entire candor of the settled and deliberate policy of suppressing the negro vote. They have been forced to choose between a policy of manifest injustice toward the blacks and the horrors of negro rule. They chose to disfranchise the negroes. That was manifestly the lesser of two evils. . . . The Republican Party committed a great public crime when it gave the right of suffrage to the blacks. . . . So long as the Fifteenth Amendment stands, the menace of the rule of the blacks will impend, and the safeguards against it must be maintained.”
–Editorial, “The Political Future of the South,” New York Times, May 10, 1900)
Mr. Bartlett is author of “Wrong on Race: The Democratic Party’s Buried Past,” to be published next month by Palgrave Macmillan, which is available from the OpinionJournal bookstore.
Posted by: liberalshateAmerica | November 24, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
What a bunch of sour grapes and sore losers. The majority of Americans voted and chose Barack Obama to be our next President – period. Get over it.
Posted by: Lee-Ann | November 24, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
why would we not include medicaid,medicare.i know a brother as you say that was shot in a drug deal gone bad now he draws a check from the goverment and never worked a day in his life,child care huh what if you have no children why would you want to pay for someone elses child care and only a bigot would think child of color all races you can throw all goverment stats out there you want facts be known i could use that 7.5% on all my taxes i pay give to vets there the reason you can read stats they at least tried while your getting stats please get me some on how many illegal aliens of all races have died in this nations defence so my friend only a person of hate is fueled by the need to say you are hateful the plain truth is we should not have to care for the burdens of other people,companies ie countries america needs think of america were a line of proud people now we are a land of bail outs keep drinkin the snake oil of the world for all nations have drunk of the wrath of her fornication and the kings of earth have committed fornication with her and the merchantsof the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies
there for shall her plagues come in one day,death and mourning anf famine and she shall be utterly burned with fire
so no i dont favor iraq and sure you can tell mommy keeep here legs shut i did to my daughter didnt ask any one to feed her or my grandchildren or the education huh what about the parents no worry about the atm also gun and as far as indigent read between the line you mentallity is poor=uneducated therefor misspelling but who really cares its people who try to protect these poor innocent children of poverty the whole point is there not as poor as you folks make them there committing fraud against the taxpayer man you bleedin hearts the screw everything into race i couldnt spell chinese or russian names or even crackers like my self the point is you can throw all the money big wigs nad everything else out there at this crisis it wont help until we stop the low level crimes such as fraud against our goverment and fyi im not for iraq i just dont want a bunch terrorist over there saying the defeated the usa becouse then you have a bigger problem
Posted by: iamready | November 24, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
THANK YOU LIBERALSHATEAMERICA
Posted by: iamready | November 24, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
To all the GW Bush and McCain Republican fools, Get over it, you lost. We democrates got over it when GW and his Carl Rove cronies stole the votes in 2000 and by the grace of God we survived, bearly. Now sit back and watch as the real progressive change take effect.
Posted by: realdeal | November 24, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
“Get over it, you lost. We democrates got over it when GW and his Carl Rove cronies stole the votes in 2000 and by the grace of God we survived, bearly.”
Yet another whining crying liberal….8 yrs later…still whining….
He won…PERIOD…Same as Obama Won!
This is what i mean by liberals alwyas always living by “DO ASI SAY, NOT AS I DO”
They want support for Obama, but even now 8 years later they are “claiming” Bush “stole” the election!
1. If that buffoon you put up for a candidate could have won his OWN STATE. He would have won! Why not ask how a guy who wants to be president can’t even carry his own state and then his supporters whine about the outcome for a friggin decade!
2. Thank God Bush did WIN. I want to throw up every time I think of a President Gore being in power on 9/11/01. It owuld have taken that fool a week to figure out his first response after needing at least 25 polls so he would know what to say & do.
3. Yuo dont have to like Bush at all, but every single American owes him a big Thank You for keeping this country safe ever since that day!
Posted by: Mike_C | November 24, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
There much change-first a cabinet developed prior to January-a cabinet that is diverse in political ideaology and experience is very new. The cabinet has developed in a way not seen for a very long time. Obama has set the table for people to have their thinking challenged among each other and that is great. You get a variety of ideas and components working that create great ideas.
The economic committee is powerful with old and young ideas, it is very balanced.
Obama is smart and isn’t afraid to be challened-
Posted by: Sophia Beck | November 24, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
See the bad losers are out in force again.
Posted by: Marcus | November 24, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
A vote for Obama is a vote for Hillary I wish I would of known that BEFORE the election.
Posted by: FACTSNOW | November 24, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
After the way Hillary and George ambushed Obama in that debate, I’m SURE there will be no cabinet position for Georgie. At least Hillary got on board in the end, and I have forgiven her all of her transgressions. I’m absolutely certain she will be a great Secretary of State! :)
Posted by: TerriLynn | November 24, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
OMG, why don’t the right wing blow hard sore losers just shut the heck up already. What a bunch of whiney babies who think they are so smart. Well, you are not so smart now, eh? After your administration practically ruined the country. COUNTRY FIRST, my rear end.
Posted by: TerriLynn | November 24, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
i guess i can go out there, have 8 babies, 8 baby daddies and ofcourse the gov, will spread the wealth around.COOL AID DRINKERS GO GET A JOB.
Posted by: ellen | November 24, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
I understand everyone wanting to see radical change and see that immediately in his cabinet picks. However, we can’t lose sight of the fact that there are still a bunch of politics to play here and he’s picking some people who can get things done. The key is if he expands now, since he brought in some political sway already, and actually brings in some intelligent, studied individuals who have the people at heart instead of the greed we’ve seen over the last decade or more.
No matter how much some of us want radical change, there’s just as many on the other side who want something else. Politics is about compromise, no matter how unfortunate that is sometimes.
Posted by: xk | November 25, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
I’m thrilled at the return of intellectualism and sound political practice. There’s politics that’s good for society and politics that’s bad for society. Obama’s brand of politics is the right way to lead this nation forward to the benefit of the average American. We can only get there by conducting politics in a manner of greater unity and forethought. There will certainly exist conflicting interests, but if we can all get into this boat together and find ways to negotiate win-win outcomes rather than winner take all scenarios, then we’re simply more efficient at progress.
Obama by taking in a former rival is not simply paying back those he owes. OK, he’s doing that too. Regardless, this is good for all of us. With this he is diffusing tensions among those that supported Clinton for being Hillary or for being a woman. It’s also an olive branch to the Sarah Palin believers. This also enables synergies. This team is greater than the sum of its parts.
The Bush team was actually worse than any single individual could have been on his or her own; quite amazing.
McCain may not have been too bad a president; better than Bush (fairly easy to do). But Obama is clearly the best politician in a lifetime. And he is not just the best himself. Regan (may he rest in peace), was better at self-promotion. But instead, he is the best politician for the country during any times, whether we are looking for change or not. This is the kind of president we need, consistently, regardless of the sway of the economy.
Republican campaign scare tactics were not enough to overcome the writing on the wall: THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAD TO GO. Of course, Obama really won because of the economy, which is only 10% Bushes fault. The other blame we can pass around liberally among the private sector, Republicans, Democrats, Joe Six-pack and even OPEC (why not?).
So even though we as a country only lucked out in electing this next greatest president because the economy happens to be bad in November of an election year, we did it. And that’s what matters.
Posted by: Roberto | November 25, 2008, 4:46 am 4:46 am
Well, well. We’ll all look back on this one day, smug with righteousness. The Dems for their landmark vote for change, the Republicans for knowing that the total change promised really wasn’t possible after all.
And Washington will go on, as it always has, until the next President is elected. When it will continue on, as it always has.
I’m a lifelong Democrat; never voted outside the party and never missed a vote, until this time. Because I couldn’t swallow Obama’s promises of true, genuine, fundamental change. Will things be a little different? Maybe. Will they be enough? Resoundingly, no.
I think, at the end of the day, it will be the will, determination and hopefulness of the American people that will deliver change, not the Obama administration. Our willingness to curb our own excesses, be mindful in our work practices, be resolute in doing what matters will win the day, irregardless of Beltway policy.
About the only credit I can give Obama right now is he’s rallied people, including some new to the idea of cause, around a common message. Problem is, at some point he has to select his cabinet, get sworn in, and actually do something. I suspect it’ll be all downhill from there, and it won’t just be disgruntled Republicans lined up to criticize, but it will be those who voted for him and actually believed that he’d deliver on his grandiose promises that will be the most vocal.
You want a prime example of change? Americans, fed up with rising fuel prices, drove less. Now look at gas prices today.
We hold the real power–doing the right thing, living within our means and taking personal responsibility for this mess will fix it. Stop waiting for Obama to do it; he’s too busy enjoying the real prize for him, the cult of personality, and as he put it, “Tell me what to say and I can sell it.” He’s not going to be of much help to you either.
It’s our mess to fix, and it’s our success to squander if we don’t.
Posted by: Disenfranchised Dem | November 25, 2008, 7:16 am 7:16 am
He said:”We need to change from the old and tired Washington policies”…and never said what would be the new policies. He said:”We need a tax system that is fair to the hard working American families”…but never said what changes to the existing system would be made. He said:”We need to get our troops out of Irak now”…but never said how he would accomplished it.
Yesterday he was asked about removing the Bush tax breaks and what other steps he would take to straighten out the economy and he answered: “I’m waiting to get a recommendation from my economic team”…..Good grief!
Change we can believe in? I guess I’m already changing my opinion about THAT ONE.
Posted by: Armand | November 25, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
But Obama is clearly the best politician in a lifetime.
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LOL, hold on there. I agree he is the best “CAMPAIGNER” we have seen in very long time, but he has done virtually nothing but campaign since 2003!
He has a very very long way to go to pass the presidents of my lifetime. I was born in 1959.
Posted by: Mike_C | November 25, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
Star power? Maybe. Brain power? Thats questionable. Stephanopoulos, what planet are you living on?
Posted by: brannigon1 | November 25, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
There is a Russian analyst who has predicted the fall/break-up of the USA. One has to wonder what kind of America barry and michelle really would like to see when they attended a radical church like Trinity for 20 years. These people brought their children to hear….
“Goddamn America”
“America is the worst terrorist nation in the world”
“America created the AIDS virus”
“America is run by greedy, rich white people”
Barry wrote a book which he titled after one of Rev’s speeches” Audacity of hope”, and he called the rev his mentor. It’s safe to say that barry and his bitter wife don’t like America. John McCain was 100% WRONG when he “took rev wright off the table” and that decision could have very well cost him the election.
Posted by: dave | November 25, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
I am sorry I ever voted for Obama, he’s an idiot.
Posted by: Terrance | November 25, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
That was a great post by LIBERALSHATEAMERICA. On a positive note, I’d like to add that interestingly enough, names such as George Wallace, Strom Thurmond (who later switched to the GOP in the 1970s), Al Gore Sr. and Robert Byrd are among many other segregationist governors, mayors and lawmakers that almost entirely were Democrats. Lost in history is the fact that most Republicans were in favor of the civil rights movement and were key in pushing the issue.
This is not a big surprise given the strong record that the GOP has in human rights and promoting democracy throughout the world, as it’s the party of abolitionists Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses Grant and suffragist Teddy Roosevelt, both causes much opposed by the Democrats. Even the Civil Rights Act of 1964 had stronger support from Republicans than Democrats, after all Republicans had tried to pass more complete legislation twice in the 1950s.
Even George W. Bush is timidly recognized as the President that has had more blacks and hispanics working in his administration than any other President before him. Of these, it’s good to point out Clarence Thomas as Supreme Court Justice, Collin Powell as Secretary of State, who was followed at that post by Condoleezza Rice, who had also held the position of National Security Advisor and is the first woman named at each of those two posts, Carlos Gutierrez a Latino Secretary of Commerce and Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General. Additionally, President George W. Bush also supported the most comprehensive immigration law proposed by Republican Sen. John McCain and co-authored with Democrat Sen. Ted Kennedy, but unfortunately didn’t get the necessary support from Democrats and other Republicans.
We can only hope that these facts and those pointed out in the post by LIBERALSHATEAMERICA are properly acknowledged by civil rights advocates, historians and the national press and other media. Let’s also encourage and hope the GOP continues to embrace its valuable past as it seems to be doing with its first selection of a female VP candidate and by presenting an increasing number of black and Latino candidates for governors, mayors and lawmakers.
Posted by: Armand | November 25, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am
Where’s my Obama check? Why am I still paying my own bills?
Posted by: Kyana | November 25, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
I think we have Obama’s first broken promise. He is not going to repeal Bush’s tax cuts on the rich. So much for the “tax break” for the 95% of Americans. All of which who propbably voted for Obama. Congratulations you picked another loser.
Posted by: Troy | November 25, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
I am an Afro American that voted for McCain/Palin and am truly offended by several of these blogs. The truth is that neither candidate was worthy of my vote but since I am conservative- I made my choice. Every that is not an IDIOT knows that neither one of these candidates can single handed fix this mess. Also, you know that no single person or party got us to this point. It was the combined STUPIDITY AND GREED of BOTH LYING parties.
Posted by: NumbCitizen | November 25, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Also, if there is anyone on here that DID NOT VOTE, I ask you to SHUT UP because you do not deserve to voice your opinion. You missed your opportunity on November 4th.
Posted by: NumbCitizen | November 25, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Armand
“We can only hope that these facts and those pointed out in the post by LIBERALSHATEAMERICA are properly acknowledged by civil rights advocates, historians and the national press and other media.”
Although I share your hope, I think it must be acknowledged that LIBERALS write most of history. That is why for my entire high school, and most of my college career, I was told of the horrible man Joe McCarthy who terrorized innocent people in the 50′s.
My professors claimed that these poor people, accused of being communists working for Moscow during the cold war, by McCarthy had ruined reputations from false accusations (never mind that many of these accused communists were immedietly offered speaking/ teaching positions at many of our ivy league schools).
It was not until brave liberals stood up to this tyrant McCarthy that all was well again. However,it was not until 1995 that the Venona project exposed hundreds of spies working DIRECTLY for Roosevelt and Truman. Documents show that both presidents were warned and neither did anything other than simply laugh off the charges.
THIS IS THE DANGER WE FACE WHEN WE LET LIBERALS WRITE OUR HISTORY BOOKS. DID YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY BEGUN WIPING OUT TEACHING ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST IN EUROPE’S SCHOOLS TO SO AVOID OFFENDING MUSLIMS…VERY FRIGHTENING
Posted by: dave | November 25, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Boy, there are a lot of disgruntled Republicans writing comments on this site. And I don’t see a single one making a good point. Deal with it children! How do you think the whole world has been feeling with Georgie in office for the past eight years! At least Obama is tackling Bush’s mess even BEFORE he gets into office. Meanwhile your hero “W” sits on his brains running out the clock.
Posted by: rand1a8 | November 25, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
So where’s the change? Obama is breaking every single campaign promise he has made. But the scary thing is that George here still has his head up Obama’s @ss and is not willing to ask the tough questions.
Posted by: JohnBiden | November 25, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
George, stop sucking up to Obama. He ain’t gonna give you no post in his administration.
Posted by: Lily Fish | November 25, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
rand1a8,
other then what the liberal media has been serving you in the form of kool-aid, which you have OBVIOUSLY been chugging for the past 8 years, please tell me how Bush has screwed anything up?
My biggest complaint with him is that he was not hard enough on the robin hood, socialist, democrats who are always trying to shove entitlements into the mouths of their base. Barney Frnak, chris dodd, chuck shcumer, and of course barry’s favorite group of community agitators, ACORN.
Posted by: dave | November 25, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
To ALL Disgruntle Obama supporters,
I did not vote for him but I am surprised at how fast you have turned on him.
You all be sure to check your mailbox on January 20th as there will be a deed to some swamp land in Florida waiting on you. Unfortunately you fell for the banana in the tailpipe.
Posted by: NumbCitizen | November 25, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Good MORNING..
I just have a quick observation.. Why does it seem that republicans are the only one that seem to be bitter or angry?? Is it because the candidate they voted (or rather didnt vote) for LOST the election? NO..can’t be..because they were angry during the campaign. Could it be that they hate the way the Repubs have treated them and the rest of the country and just don’t want to admit it? Possibly.
It just amaze me how republicans have nothing else to say other than..”where is the change?” “when will i get my rebate?” ..everything they complained about during the election..they are now asking for..be through sarcasim. I’m sure if they rec’d a check back or any benefit from the Obama Admin..they would be the first one to cash in on it.
To all REPUBS..JUST LET IT GO.. LET GO OF THE ANGER!
Posted by: ONLY REPUBS | November 25, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Only repubs
It’s safe to say that barry O deserves the same level of respect that the liberals and the media (which are really the same thing) have shown president Bush over the past 8 years. I think the day he took office he was accused of stealing the election and shortly thereafter was constantly referred to as a “dumba**”-depsite Bush’s higher grades at Yale AND Harvard then both the messiah of global warming al gore and john kerry.
If left-wing loons can claim bush is an “idiot”, you can bet when barry’s teleprompter breaks and we start to hear
“uuuuhhhh, uuuuuuuummm,uuuuuuhhhh, welll I uuuuuuuhhhhhhhh, change, uuuhhhhh”
we are going to expose him for the fumbling socialist that he is.
Posted by: dave | November 25, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
For the record, I didn’t vote for him. He isn’t what I wanted to see in the White House. (e.g. a Democrat)
Other than scaring the crud out of me with what he considers necessary changes for America….I was just wondering, who was it that told this guy that every change ‘the people’ want is always good?
I guess this falls under the “be careful what you wish for” umbrella.
Posted by: Suz C | November 25, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
I love how bitter the Republicans are on this board. They’ve gotten so childish they’re even pretending to be Obama Supporters.
Posted by: Mike | November 25, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
WOW, ABC is really into censorship now. Long live the Free Media!
My remark: Oh yes, it’s just BRILLIANT to tap the governor of the poorest state in the Union — the one with MORE PEOPLE on welfare than any other state — the one with no infrastructure and with “the mordida” (Mexican bribery system) — the one with the lowest pay — for Secretary of COMMERCE. LOL.
Posted by: Former New Mexican | November 25, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
In case you guys don’t realize during the Clinton administration this country was in a surplus, so why not bring back people from the Clinton administration and people who know what they are doing. Let the man take office and let’s see what he can do. I know many of you posting on here are still bitter that that man who voted with George Bush 90 percent of the time wasn’t elected, but get over it. This is the problem with Republicans, you guys are bitter and old fashioned and NEVER come up with new ideas. And to “only repubs” I’m curious if you think that George Bush was a good president for this country? If you do, then perhaps you should realize that he drove this country into the ground everyday that he was in office and continues to do so today. After all we are suffering the greatest economic crisis of most of our lifetimes and quite a bit of it has to do with him.
Posted by: Matt | November 25, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
My comment should have be directed towards “dave.” I apoligize to “only repubs.”
Posted by: Matt | November 25, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
Disenfranchized Dem: You said “I think, at the end of the day, it will be the will, determination and hopefulness of the American people that will deliver change, not the Obama administration. Our willingness to curb our own excesses, be mindful in our work practices, be resolute in doing what matters will win the day, irregardless of Beltway policy”
I completely agree. Also, this position is very much in line with Obama’s philosophy. What people LIKE about Obama is that he recognizes that change is going to happen BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE. What people like about Obama is that he was running for and by people. He recognizes that “together ordinary people can do extroardinary things.” He continually said we are going to have to work hard and people have shown that they are excited to pitch in and work together. He never said HE or HIS ADMINISTRATION would be the end-all. What people are excited about is having a government of, by, and for the people.
The is a lot of low-level conversation going on here on this board (like name calling, divisive extremism and baseless insults from both sides). Not from you. Anyway I could be wrong. We could all be wrong. What pans out is never what we thought it would be. But if we accoumplish a few of the great things we hope for, I don’t thing I’ll feel smug. Proud. Honestly I wasn’t proud of our country. Traveling overseas, you almost have to apologize for being American. I really feel like that is changing already. I didn’t like where we were. There are some gloaters here on the board, but I feel hopeful; not smug. I’m in my forties and have never, ever felt hopeful about a presidential candidate until now. It IS refreshing. Could we be wrong? Well sure. But we couldn’t sustain ourselves the way things were going. But here’s the thing. That people power you are talking about. Obama made a lot of people start to think that we might be able to be a little better as individuals, to do a little more, to have a little more control in our destiny. You’re absolutely right, anything great is going to be achived by the people. But people have to envision it, see it, believe it is possilbe, then know it is possible before they realize their potential. We didn’t vote the same but I think were of like minds in many ways.
Keep walking the good walk.
Posted by: hsama | November 25, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
I was having diner with a friend who has cable. Their was a news conference with President elect Obama. I supported John McCain who I respect, we will always have him to thank for Sarah Palin who has breathed life into a hide bound Republican Party. Obama made an excellent case for his plans for the future, but, I don’t recall hearing anything about private enterprise.
Posted by: JH | November 25, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
I am so shocked at the things I’ve read tonight in regards to our new president. Are we not all americans, the president has been picked, the outcome can not be changed, so why not stop stressin and help make these changes, are we not the country that is governed by the people. U bitter americans sit and blog about who’s doing what and pointing fingers, while our country is in turmoil…what is that saying ask not what ur country can do for u but what u can do for your country? Well the answer is shut the hell up and let this man go to work. The true Obama supporters know that it will take more than 4 years to turn this country around…we are just happy to have some one that will make an effort to try…unlike our beloved GW who raped our country blind in the oil sector…for his own ill gotten gains…I need not say anymore…so why r we not suprised. U speak so harshly of Obama who has yet to take his seat but where were ur blogs then. U complain about the country being robbed and cheated by immigrants, native americans and the poor. The same people of whom were robbed and cheated over some 400+ years ago…did we not forget that this country was built by the likes of war, deceit, robberies, lying and cheating these vary same people so many, many years ago. The state of our country is inevitable, karma is electric and we will reap what was sown by its forfathers. We were taught since the formation of this great country that the only way to get ahead was to be deceitful and mistrusting, and filled with hatred and even centuries later we are still filled to the brim with these same ethics. So again I asked don’t place blame with Obama he was given this country he didn’t make it. If u are not mad a ur former president for his indiscressions, how can u be mad at a man who has not been allowed the oppurtunity to do his job? And wasn’t the McCain supporters biggest argument about Obama was that he was inexperienced, so he picks some people with successful experience and ur mad at that too!! Give it a rest will u and stop hatin!
Posted by: Hi Haterz | November 26, 2008, 5:55 am 5:55 am
The Capitalist Dictatorship Falsifies Basic Science!
Michio Kaku, Wendy Freedman, Dennis Oberbye,
Brian Greene, etc. Exposed as Liars!
Today basic medicine, science including climatology, astrophysics and even both Einstein’s Special Theory and General Theory of relativity are brazenly and routinely falsified at the direction of Fascist elements for political/religious reasons. These scientifically fabricated and bizarre distortions are mixed in with some actual science and are passed of as “the new science” in exhaustive falsifications lasting for hours on NOVA, FRONTLINE and the so-called “History Channel,” not to mention the new textbooks! Can you say Total Brainwash of the youth? Not to mention the adult population! The widespread genuine academic opposition to these wide-scale falsifications of science is never given equal time! We demand and will take some time to refute the U.S.-led capitalist dictatorship’s lies.
The Capitalist Dictatorship’s Attempt to Falsify the
Age of the Universe to Help Provide False Belief in “god”
The capitalists have tried to falsify the actual age of the Universe and the infinite cycle of a Big Bang followed by a Big Crunch, meaning a closed rather than an open Universe, because the reality of a closed Universe does not fit with the religious brainwash of a single creation and belief in a supernatural fictitious “god.” (The statecraft of capitalism’s alliance with religion and belief in “god” and other superstition is exposed further below.) The reality is that the process of contraction of the Universe begins soon after the Big Bang, which begins the process of expansion. The process of contraction began with the first condensations of gas after the Big Bang. At first the process of expansion is dominant, but the processes of expansion and contraction exist simultaneously from shortly after the Big Bang until finally the process of contraction becomes dominant and all galactic matter is finally drawn into Supermassive Black Holes, which today form the centers of all spiral galaxies and elliptical galaxies in the process of becoming spiral galaxies. These Supermassive Black Holes, which are growing larger continuously, finally link up all existing matter of the Universe finally at one spot in the Big Crunch, at which time critical mass in the true and ultimate sense is reached for another Big Bang Cycle and the beginning of another Universe. The critical mass density required for the Big Crunch to occur is 1 x 10 to the negative 29th of a gram per cubic centimeter (approximately 5 hydrogen atoms per cubic meter), according to the calculation from the General Theory of Relativity. Neutrinos are now known to have mass which may be sufficient to supply the “missing mass.” (See below.) But probably even more significant is the recent paper in Science, November 21, 2008 which shows that 95% of matter in the Universe exists in the form of energy according to Einstein’s formula E=mc2. This relationship would reverse in a Black Hole and the so-called “missing mass” would gradually appear as the contraction of the Universe allowed the energy-mass relationship to shift so that in a practical and real sense it would be solved for m=E/c2. Though the authors of the paper fail to draw this conclusion that is the inescapable significance of those papers. See below. The fact that the expansion and contraction of the Universe occur simultaneously is one more example of the Law of Unity of Opposites, the Second Law of and Historical Materialism and the correctness of the scientific philosophy of Dialectical and Historical Materialism, as opposed to the false philosophies of idealism and metaphysics, which are the only philosophies permitted to be seriously taught in U.S. colleges and universities, and which form the underlying basis for all phony “cosmological” theory! See further below!
Back Holes Have Mass and a Size Which
Can Be Calculated and Rotate on an Axis!
In addition, in the Big Crunch matter most certainly does NOT collapse to “a single point less than the size of a single molecule,” a totally ridiculous assertion by the so-called “string theorists” (see below) designed to try to discredit the Theory of the Big Bang/Big Crunch Cycle of the Universe. Black Holes are formed exclusively of condensed nuclear material; protons and neutrons (composed of quarks) and electrons (composed of leptons) devoid of their orbits and all motion, all collapsed together. The end point of all matter in the Big Crunch is a Single Black Hole, the so-called “singularity.” All Black Holes have the same mass density which is said to be infinite, but which is no smaller than the mass of all combined nuclear material from all stars or gas contained in the Black Hole as explained above. The only difference is the difference in mass. Please note that while some of the information provided below may appear to be somewhat technical it is necessary for any subsequent challenges which might be made of this dialectical an historical materialist analysis. An educated reader should be able to understand most of it and follow for the most part the explanations which follow, which have in turn have vast political implications. A few key references are provided and the reader can research the area independently.
Black Holes have mass and size just as neutron stars (pulsars) also have mass!! All Black Holes, both Stellar Black Holes and Supermassive Black Holes (the result of combination of millions of solar masses) which form the center of evolving elliptical galaxies and all spiral galaxies, also rotate extremely rapidly just like neutron stars, some of which are estimated to be only 8 to 20 miles in diameter, and rotate in 1.4 milliseconds to 30 seconds! All stars rotate on a central axis to some degree due to the angular momentum of gas approaching the center of the proto-star prior to the ignition of hydrogen fusion. In other words the gravitational collapse of gas in star formation is not uniform just as its opposite, an explosion such as the Big Bang is not uniform. When the radius of the star is reduced drastically in stellar collapse the angular momentum remains the same but the momentum of inertia is sharply reduced. The standard example is that of a figure skater spinning with outstretched arms who speeds up by pulling in his/her arms. Black Holes are formed from the collapse of the largest Blue Giant stars 5 to 20 or more solar masses. Neutron stars are formed from the explosion of stars with 1.35 to 2.1 solar masses in a Type II, Type Ib or Type Ic supernova explosion. The rapid rotation of Supermassive Black Holes is in fact the reason Spiral Galaxies exist in the flattened disk form they do with spiral arms—because of the huge gravitational force exerted by the rapid rotation of Supermassive Black Holes which form their galactic centers! As the rotating Supermassive Black Hole in the galactic center gradually increases in size through accumulation/accretion of more stellar material and gas, the elliptical galaxy, which is in the process of becoming a spiral galaxy, first flattens due to the rapid rotation of the Supermassive Black Hole in its center.
The spiral arms comprised of outlying stars are formed by the combination of the gravitational force coming from the rapidly rotating galactic center and the relative gravitational attraction of one outlying star to another based on their actual distances from one another. As the outlying stars approach neighboring stars due to gravity this leaves other areas where stars are much less concentrated giving rise to the appearance of usually 2 major spiral arms originating from each end of the central bar often found in the galactic center, as well as several minor spiral arms, all of which are actually in the process of being gradually drawn inexorably toward the galactic center. The gravitational force of the Black Hole, the mass of which is steadily increasing, gradually overcomes the outward centripetal force caused by its rapid rotation.
Central bars form after the Supermassive Black Hole in the center of a large spiral reaches a certain size and are therefore found more prevalently in more massive galaxies where the required mass is reached sooner. Central bars form when stellar orbits in a spiral galaxy become unstable and deviate from a circular path. The tiny elongations in the stars’ orbits grow and become locked into place, forming a bar. The bar becomes even stronger as it locks more and more of these elongated orbits into place. Eventually a high fraction of the stars in the galaxy’s inner region join the bar. The galactic center thus attracts both gas and stars. This concentration of gas at the center of spiral galaxies does result in the formation of new stars but does not represent the primary or original source of star formation, which occurs in the beginning of formation of galaxies from gravitational condensation and collapse of primordial gas clouds. The central bars draw a large amount of gas towards the galactic center, fueling this new star formation, building central bulges of stars, and feeding the massive central black hole. The formation of a bar may be one of the last stages in the evolution of a spiral galaxy prior to its eventual total collapse entirely into its central Supermassive Black Hole.
The Hubble Constant is a calculation of the speed at which the Universe is expanding and is crucial in calculating the age of the Universe. Four methods have been used to estimate the Hubble Constant and age of the Universe. The most recent method employed by Allan Sandage, et al measures the distances to Type 1a Supernovae explosions in distant galaxies and then confirms those measurements by comparing the relative luminosities of Cepheid variable stars as so-called “standard candles,” while Wendy Freedman’s NASA team uses Cepheid Variable stars alone, which is a lot less accurate. Freedman’s method especially is an easy method in which to either err or to deliberately falsify results as she and her NASA team have clearly done. (See below.) The typical errors in calculating the Hubble Constant include: 1.) “the universal, yet unjustified Period-Luminosity relation of Cepheid (variable stars), 2.) neglect of selection bias in magnitude-limited samples or 3.) the errors are inherent to the adopted models,” which cause most values of the Hubble Constant and corresponding estimates of the age of the Universe to be incorrect as explained in detail in the most comprehensive review which has yet been published, which also includes the Sandage team’s most recent calculation of the Hubble Constant to date of 62.3 +or–1.3, which is based on measurements to 279 galaxies: “The expansion field: the value of the Hubble Constant,” by G.A Tammann, A. Sandage and B. Reindl, Astron Astrophys Rev (2008), 8 July 2008, 15:289-331, DOI 10.1007/s00159-800-9912-y.
This value of the Hubble Constant corresponds to an age of the Universe of approximately 13.7 billion years, which should be sufficient to permit the Big Crunch. However even this method of calculation of the Hubble Constant, which as exhaustively explained and documented by Allan Sandage et al, is fraught with potential errors cited above, which Sandage takes account of and systematically avoids. As mentioned above Wendy Freedman and Co. on the other hand use only Cepheid variable stars in their “calculations” and deliberately include faulty (fraudulent) data in their calculations as explained to this writer personally by Allan Sandage, therefore making Freedman & Co.’s method of determination of the Hubble Constant even easier to falsify. Such data is systematically excluded by Sandage et al. as explained above. In response to the withering but suppressed critique by Sandage et al, known primarily only to other astrophysicists who follow these matters, Freedman has published a slew of pathetic papers addressing such topics as “correction of errors involving optical extragalactic background light (EBL), sampling-induced errors, magnitude errors, and random and optimal sampling,” etc. where she always comes up with ridiculously high (fraudulent) values for the Hubble Constant. Fraudulent data was necessary for Freedman & Co. to reinvent the entirely fictitious so-called “dark energy,” Einstein’s “Cosmological Constant,” (“My greatest blunder!” See below), which is declared to be “the opposite of gravity” and which has no scientific explanation whatsoever but is proffered as “the reason” the capitalist dictatorship and its media (and textbook) propagandists now say that the expansion of the Universe has unexplainably “speeded up,” a “finding” which violates all previous findings not to mention all known rules of physics including the General Theory of Relativity! In other words this finding is totally invented, totally fabricated, a Big Lie to end all Big Lies! All designed to achieve political-religious-propagandistic objectives. See below. Legitimate opposing viewpoints are simply ignored and in practice not permitted to be heard! How jolly!
Regarding the most recent results given above for the Hubble Constant, this writer would still prefer to accept Sandage’s previous calculation of 55 +or-5, which has been repeatedly established in papers from 1975, 1982, 1986, 1990 and 1995, although it may certainly be possible that the 62.3 +or-1.3 value is the most accurate and it is certainly can be argued that 55 +or-5 is not that far removed from the new figure. The reason for this caution is that Allan Sandage is now 82 years old and although he is 100% intellectually intact and in control of all of his faculties his name is listed second in the above paper indicating that he himself may not have collected the data used in the calculation giving 62.3 +or-1.3 for the Hubble Constant. I have not spoken or corresponded with the other members of his team, which also includes A. Saha who was not included in the above paper, as I have with Allan Sandage, so I can not rule out alteration of the raw data to give a falsely high Hubble Constant by certain personnel who might be bribed by the NASA forces in charge of the Key Project, which was set up determined to achieve a certain result come hell or high water. This issue is important enough to the capitalist dictatorship so that they would leave no stone unturned to tweek the results in their direction for reasons explained further below.
The U.S. so-called “intelligence community” organized the so-called “Key Project” in order to cover up the cyclic nature of the Universe from Big Bang to Big Crunch. The Hubble Space Telescope (HST) was built primarily for the “Key Project.” This is an important point. The capitalist dictatorship chose Wendy Freedman to lead the project rather than the obvious choice, Allan Sandage, the legendary, most preeminent and world-renowned astrophysicist as well as the number one authority on the Hubble Constant along with his internationally renowned group of astrophysicist colleagues. See above. The reason was that Sandage’s studies up to that point had shown the Universe to be “between 14 and 18 billion years old, depending on what is assumed about the mass of the Universe.” This corresponds to a Hubble Constant, which he and colleagues had repeatedly calculated to be 55 +or-5 as cited above. An older age, of course, would mean that the Universe contained easily enough matter to permit the Big Crunch, which is the key point the capitalist propagandists want to discredit because that would rule out a single creation and make the existence of a god, for which there is no scientific evidence whatsoever, even more unlikely! This is the actual statecraft behind the “Key Project.” See further below.
Freedman’s initial claim that the Universe was only 8 billion years old was obviously fraudulent, as have been all of her subsequent “estimations.” All of Freedman’s estimations of the age of the Universe and the Hubble Constant have been designed to try to fraudulently invalidate (!) the Big Bang, the Big Crunch especially and the cyclic nature of the Universe in particular. The preposterous claim of an 8 billion year age is a direct attack on the Big Bang, which has been verified worldwide. In her initial unrestrained enthusiasm to falsify and misinterpret her own data (see above) Freedman forgot about the 1.) Red shift discovered by Edwin Hubble (see below) and 2.) the detection of the cosmic microwave background radiation, which is the residual effect of the Big Bang both of which exist as irrefutable evidence for the Big Bang origin of the Universe! Anyone using simple inductive reasoning would immediately begin to smell a rat! The capitalist dictatorship has a long history of political meddling and sabotage in virtually all fields of scientific and medical research and a history of using scientific advances against the masses in order to control them and also to reduce the population according to their own perceived needs, e.g. from Bio-warfare to Bio-fuels (through enforced starvation). In January 2003 Freedman was made the Director of the Carnegie Observatories located in Pasadena, California where Allan Sandage works thereby placing her above him as a maneuver to make her fraudulent estimates of the Hubble Constant appear more authoritative in the public eye!
There is no such thing as “Dark Energy” and the Universe has not suddenly increased its rate of expansion as falsely claimed by these frauds. Just the opposite! The rate of expansion of the Universe has continued to slow! All previous studies have indicated that is the case. The Universe is not open. It is NOT flat! It is closed. In reality there are no “worm holes.” For worm holes to exist just within the known Universe would require changing space-time topology and regions of negative energy, which does not actually exist. There are no “strings.” “string theory” is a mathematical attempt to try to refute and supplant, not explain, the Theory of Quantum Mechanics the foundations of which were established during the first half of the twentieth century by Max Planck, Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg, Albert Einstein, etc.! See below for the most likely solution to the Grand Unified Theory.
It should also be noted that although we may be able to receive light from galaxies which started its journey virtually at the beginning of the Universe, that light does not portray the reality at this point in time of that galaxy which was the source of that light. The reality is that most of the Universe is undoubtedly relatively uniform in its development today except where there are huge clouds of gas from super novae explosions and where there are huge accumulations of matter such as the Great Wall of galaxies, the latter of which formed due to the irregularities which occurred in the Big Bang just as in any other explosion. In other words the light from our own galaxy, the Milky Way, would appear to be receding from the most distant galaxies at the same rate that their light is receding from our own galaxy! This should be a no-brainer but is rarely if ever mentioned. The only point of view which is ever mentioned is from the Earth as if it were the center of creation. Which it is not!
Recent Findings Document that the Mass of the Universe
Increases as Matter Enters a Black Hole and the Final Singularity!
This Finding Totally Refutes Infinite Expansion of the Universe
And “String Theory!” The Fact That Neutrinos Have Mass Also
Provides the Basis For the Big Crunch!”
The false claim that there is supposedly “insufficient Dark Matter” to permit the Big Crunch to take place is entirely refuted by 2 discoveries. Perhaps even more significant than the work on neutrinos discussed below is the most recent paper published on November 21, 2008 in Science. More than 99% of the visible mass of the Universe is made up of protons and neutrons. Recent calculations of the mass of the nucleus, which found that that matter, which is composed of protons and neutrons, which are in turn are composed of quarks held together with gluons by the strong force, normally exists as 95% energy, according to the formula from Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity: E=mc2! This provides further confirmation for the Big Crunch. The reason, not drawn as a conclusion by the authors of the paper, is that in a Black Hole and moreover in the final Black Hole, the “Singularity,” that relationship would be 100% reversed, with all matter existing in the form of mass: m=E/c2. The mass of the Universe would therefore apparently increase according to these findings as matter enters a Black Hole as energy shifts to its mass equivalent! Obviously this is the precise opposite of what occurs in a nuclear explosion where E=mc2. (Science, Vol. 322, 5905:1198-1199 and 1124-1127) On the other hand such tidbit reports as “Excess Particles From Space may Hint at Dark Matter,” (Science, Vol. 322, 5905:1173) are only red-herrings meant to titillate, to keep attention from focusing on findings of genuine significance.
The discovery that neutrinos have mass also provides a basis for the Big Crunch. This fact was first reported on July 1, 1998 by a collaboration of 120 U.S. and Japanese physicists at the Neutrino 98 meeting in Takayama, Japan and submitted to Physical Review Letters. (By Super-Kamiokande Collaboration (Y. Fukuda et al.) Phys.Rev.Lett.81:1562-1567,1998.) Neutrinos have sufficient weight to allow the Big Crunch! The experiment measured the differences in mass of the three types of neutrinos to be 0.1 eV or greater. The group reported that the simplest interpretation of the solar and atmospheric results is that the heaviest neutrino has a mass of 0.1 eV. However, they reported that since oscillations between the 3 types of neutrinos depend only on the differences in mass it is possible that the masses of all three neutrinos are fully 1 eV or greater, but that it is the mass differences which are much smaller. (They allow for the “possibility.” How nice! They know that the majority of physicists do not simply automatically accept the interpretation which is first proffered.)
This makes the most sense and is of course suppressed for political reasons. (See below.) If the mass of the neutrino is 1 eV that would mean that neutrinos account for more mass in the Universe than all of the protons and neutrons put together easily supplying the dark matter necessary for the Big Crunch. As mentioned the critical mass density required for the Big Crunch to occur is 1 x 10 to the negative 29th of a gram per cubic centimeter (approximately 5 hydrogen atoms per cubic meter), according to the calculation from the General Theory of Relativity. In addition, the fact that neutrinos have mass also provides the basis for the Grand Unified Theory which links the gravitational force described in the General Theory of Relativity with the strong and the weak forces and electromagnetism described in the Theory of Quantum Mechanics. Einstein struggled and failed to formulate this theory, but it has already been shown that at high enough energies electromagnetism and the weak force are the same force known as the electroweak force. It is theorized that if energies are increased even further and neutrinos acquire mass, which has now been fully documented, all the known forces will reduce to the same force thus providing the basis for the Grand Unified Theory. Instead these facts are de-emphasized with the false claim that “no one—not even Einstein—has been able formulate the Grand Unified Theory” in order to try to open the door to fraudulent “string theory.” The 1998 report that neutrinos have mass was blipped in the media and then neutrino research was de-funded worldwide and thereafter suppressed for a period of time. Wonder why?? It is time to employ some inductive reasoning, which is in fact scientific reasoning.
The Big Crunch will arrive on schedule and another Universe will begin! Einstein once said that a theory of the Universe should be both simple and elegant. He would definitely be rolling over in his grave if he were made aware of today’s totally contrived “science” especially the attempt by these fakers to re-introduce his fudge factor, the so-called “cosmological constant,” which Einstein invented/fabricated to allow for a static solution to his equations, which he was later forced to admit was false after the discovery of the Redshift by Edwin Hubble, which occurs when light or any type of electromagnetic radiation from distant galaxies shifts toward longer wavelengths, the less energetic part of the spectrum, due to the Doppler effect, thus indicating that those galaxies are moving away from our galaxy, the Milky Way (and vice versa) and that the Universe is (still) expanding (while it is also simultaneously contracting on another level—see below). (The Redshift in light from receding galaxies is proportional to their distance from Earth. That is Hubble’s Law.)
The false assumption of a static Universe had prevented Einstein from predicting that the Universe was expanding. Einstein admitted that the “cosmological constant” was his “biggest blunder.” (In December 1930 Einstein went to Cal Tech on a visiting professorship where he worked with Edwin Hubble and reportedly also apologized for his error.) In 1998 the U.S. so-called “intelligence community,” directed their fleet of fake “cosmologists” and some opportunist and duped astrophysicists to try to pass off Einstein’s fraudulent cosmological constant as the entirely fictitious and admittedly totally unexplained so-called “dark energy,” (!) AKA “quintessence, “ which is supposedly responsible for a supposed “speeding up of the rate of expansion of the Universe,” which is NOT in fact actually occurring. This rubbish has even been forced into advanced textbooks in astrophysics as good coin. The reason for these wholesale falsifications of astrophysics is due to the capitalists’ desperation to establish a false basis to claim that the Universe supposedly had a single creation and that it will expand infinitely rather than collapse once again in the Big Crunch completing another cycle in an infinite number. The U.S. governments’ position more easily allows for the existence of a “god” as “the creator.”
The reason that the capitalists have formed an alliance with religion is that the capitalists depend on religion, belief in god and the supernatural as important weapons of deception directed against the masses! This also helps explain the appearance of fraudulent so-called “string theory” which postulates multiple Universes, eleven dimensions, rather than the 4 dimensions which actually do measurably exist. Stephen Hawking the ego-tripping, media-hyped “cosmologist” also postulated supposed “wormholes from one Universe to another” as well as supposed “wormholes” from one end of our Universe to the other to permit time travel “faster than the speed of light” (both of which are completely refuted by Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle. While Hawking retreated on being so reminded, Heisenberg is brazenly ignored by other professional police-agent propagandists who are committed to such Big Lies of confusion such as the New York Times’ despicable Dennis Overbye (Oy!), Brian Greene and WBAI’s huckster Michio Kaku, who incidentally also covers up the fact that AIDS is Biowarfare by the U.S. Government Against Blacks and Gays primarily and tries to confuse his trusting, credulous listeners (and even students!) on innumerable other issues. The bottom line is that the capitalists want the masses to believe in a god—any god—even though there is no scientific basis whatsoever to support belief in a god (precisely the opposite)—because, to the extent that they believe in god, those who do believe in god believe that what happens in the world, including both natural events and political events, happens according to god’s will! The reality is that natural events occur due to the natural laws of science, physics and evolution, and what happens in world political events is due primarily to the decisions and actions of the U.S.-led world capitalist dictatorship, which still dominates world events! In the mind of the believer, god and the capitalist dictatorship—the capitalist government—become one! The capitalist government becomes god in the mind of the believer! This is pretty strong stuff and is what Karl Marx meant when he described religion as the opiate of the masses. Such false belief patterns of believers in god blunt the thrust for revolutionary change. Revolutionary change requires an absolutely scientific, objective and logical analysis of political events, political contradiction and political history, in order to learn how to carry out effective social change, meaning Socialist Revolution here in the United States and worldwide!
Michio Kaku and So-Called “History Channel” Establishment Cover Up the Fact that
Einstein’s First 3 Papers in 1905 Were a Collaborative Effort With His Wife, Mileva Maric!
It should be mentioned that Michio Kaku and several others in typical sexist fashion in a 2-hour report on Albert Einstein on the so-called “History Channel” covered up through omission the irrefutable fact that Einstein’s wife Mileva Maric made substantial contributions to Einstein’s first 3 papers in 1905, his miracle year, and that her name was on all 3 papers which were first submitted according to the Russian scientist, Abraham Joffe, who saw the signatures of both Einstein and Mileva Einstein-Marity (Marity is a Serbian form of Maric) on the original copies of the those papers. Maric’s name was later removed from all the originals to hide her contributions in keeping with the sexism of that time when women could not even vote and were deemed to be mere chattels. Mileva Maric’s contributions are specifically mentioned in 13 of the 43 of Einstein’s love letters to Maric, those which were not destroyed. Thirteen of those letters contained statements which referred to refer to her research or to their ongoing collaborative effort. The most likely reason for the destruction of the other letters was of course to hide the fact that those 3 historic 1905 papers were in fact a collaborative effort. See: http://home.comcast.net/~xtxinc/mileva.htm and http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep4/ep4maric.htm as well as a very determined and disparaging attack of Mileva Maric at: http://www.esterson.org/milevamaric.htm, which nevertheless is refuted by the actual facts. Later in 1914 when they moved to Berlin, and after Einstein had had his macho ego pumped up through the roof by Max Planck and others, Einstein actually tried to get Mileva to sign an onerous document, apparently a provocation designed to drive her away, which was rejected by Maric, which would have reduced her to a virtual slave in her own house! Kaku and the other “experts” of the establishment also cover up the fact that Einstein lacked the mathematics to properly formulate the General Theory of Relativity, because he could not formulate the mathematical proof, and that he had to be tutored in differential geometry for over a year by his longtime friend and colleague Marcel Grossman, who had attended the classes which Einstein had skipped. The bottom line here is that Einstein was an intuitive astrophysicist, not an experimental astrophysicist and as such would undoubtedly have needed and benefited enormously from the relationship he had with his physicist wife, Mileva Maric, to confirm his ideas and to hear alternative points of view which the surviving letters from Einstein to Mileva indicate he incorporated into his first 3 papers from 1905. Einstein was not a god and had help all along the way.
The Scientific Basis of Atheism:
The Origin of Matter is an Unknowable!
The capitalist dictatorship would have the masses believe that there is no limit on humankind’s knowledge, that everything is knowable and that everything was created by god. But this is false; there is a limit on knowledge and there is no god. Because of the fact that we exist as part of the Universe we can not exit the Universe, stand outside it and declare that a god, much larger than we are naturally but of course in our own image, who naturally is usually white and always male never female, created the Universe. The corollary is that the origin of matter is an unknowable! The false claim of supposed “wormholes” by the string theorists of course is a way to try to condition peoples’ minds to believe that they can do the opposite and exit the Universe, and is designed to set up the belief patterns for belief in god. (And while you’re at it, after you have exited the Universe don’t forget to check out “god,” he’s right over there. Right near that wormhole you just crawled out of!) Modern science has answered virtually all questions except one: the origin of matter. This is an unknowable. What is knowable is the cyclic nature of the Universe and the evolution of life, which is inevitable given basic necessary conditions. See above. Today religion and god continue to be invoked by the capitalist dictatorship to explain both the origin of life, matter and the existence of the Universe, rather than simply agreeing that certain things are unknowable. The reason is that the capitalist dictatorship uses religion to control the masses is explained above.
The original basis for belief in god (multiple gods initially) and religion was due to humankind’s inability to explain natural events and life itself. Primitive society had to have an explanation for what could not yet be explained scientifically. The philosophy of antiquity was primitive, spontaneously evolved materialism (Engels), which found its expression in polytheism where various gods were invented in the minds of primitive peoples, which were thought to control different areas of life: There was a sun god, a moon god, a weather god(s) thought to control rain, thunder and lightning, a god for earthquakes, a god of the seas, a god for day, a god for night and in some societies a god to control almost every aspect of life. Polytheism however was incapable of clearing up the relation between mind and matter. As Engels explains: “the need to get clarity on this question led to the doctrine of a soul separable from the body, then to the assertion of the immortality of this soul, and finally to monotheism.” As humankind’s thought gradually advanced and natural events acquired scientific explanations, polytheism gave way to monotheism. The old materialism was therefore negated by idealism. But in the course of the further development of philosophy, idealism, too, has become untenable in a practical sense and has been negated by modern Dialectical and Historical Materialism, presently tightly suppressed by the capitalist dictatorship.
Prior to the development of modern materialism, which serves as the basis for this analysis, and existing simultaneously with its development, organized religion formed pacts with the existing power structures, pacts which have spanned the entire sequence of civilization from the primitive slave societies of Egypt, Greece and Rome to the feudalism-based monarchies of Europe to today’s rapidly hardening war-based capitalist dictatorship. When the French Monarchy and the nobility were overthrown in the French Revolution the Catholic Church was first rejected as a competing center of power but then embraced as indispensable by the emerging bourgeoisie, which emerged victorious under Napoleon Bonaparte when it became clear that the peasantry, which had carried out the revolution could not organize or wield power. The bourgeoisie quickly realized that religion was necessary to control the masses as under the Monarchy and signed the Concordat of 1801 that reestablished the Catholic Church in France but with reduced influence. This has continued into the modern day where the capitalist dictatorship uses the belief in god and religion to blunt the thrust for revolutionary change as explained above. NAZI Germany also signed the Reichskonkordat in 1933 with the Catholic Church and similar agreements with the protestant churches in Germany, which were an important step in international acceptance of the NAZIs. Today the capitalists work overtime to keep alive the belief in a “supreme being,” taking advantage of man’s arrogance and insistence to be able to explain everything. As mentioned above humankind cannot exit the Universe and is limited in this way. In the same way the origin of matter is also thus unknowable. The scientific basis of atheism includes but is not limited to the knowledge of the Special Theory of Relativity, The General Theory of Relativity, The Theory of Quantum Mechanics, the Big Bang/Big Crunch Cycle of the Universe, the origin of life through the Primordial Soup Theory of Stanley Miller and Harold Urey and Darwin’s Theory of Evolution Through Natural Selection. This scientific basis of life and the Universe does not hold a place for a god. The capitalists’ propagandists try to keep the false idea of a god alive by claiming that science and religion are not incompatible. But they are incompatible! There is no scientific basis for belief in a god and the religious Fascists know it very well. That is why they wage a continuous never-ending battle against science in the classroom. The capitalists also front large organizations such as the John Templeton Foundation and the Stanford Templeton Research Institute for Nature, God and Science (STRINGS!) to try to reconcile religion and belief in god. Good grief! Don’t be fooled for a second!
Religious superstition can play no constructive role in either genuinely progressive thought or the process of organizing a Socialist Revolution in the United States. On the other hand the Socialist Revolution, while it does not support religion, permits no crushing of any religion nor does it not pit one religion against another as the capitalists do routinely as part of their strategy of divide and conquer. This is what the capitalists are doing in Iraq right now as part of their strategy of divide and conquer. The future of religion will be determined by an open long-term debate over time in a revolutionary evolving society and the strength of scientific evidence in addition to the polemics carried out by proponents of all religions as well as the proponents of atheism and Dialectical and Historical Materialism.
NOTE: the following paragraphs precede the above paragraphs in the entire piece about Global Warming and are in the proper order in the full Analysis and Theses.
The Runaway Greenhouse Effect has already occurred on Venus where all the CO2 is found in the 932 degrees Fahrenheit (500 degrees Centigrade) atmosphere. The water in the oceans of Venus, which were nearly the size of the oceans on Earth, all evaporated away very early because of the heat generated by Runaway Greenhouse Effect caused by the fact that Venus receives 30% more sunlight than the Earth. The evaporating oceans finally boiled away completely after the temperature reached a measly 212 degrees Fahrenheit—on its way to the present 932 degrees Fahrenheit. Once in the upper atmosphere ultraviolet radiation from the sun split the H20 apart into hydrogen, which disappeared into space and oxygen, which reacted with minerals on the surface and also disappeared from the atmosphere. The Evolution of Life is what prevented a Runaway Greenhouse Effect from occurring on Earth as it did on Venus! Life did not evolve on Venus, with the consequence that there was no plant and animal life to absorb the gradual build-up of CO2 from volcanoes, which eventually formed the thick atmosphere which exists on Venus today composed primarily of CO2 (96.5%) with the remainder nitrogen (3.5%) and other minor components expressed in a few parts per million plus a sulfuric acid cloud deck beginning at about 50 kilometers above the surface. On Earth the CO2 which was released into the atmosphere through volcanoes went into evolving vegetation and then animal life, which over hundreds of millions of years became deposited in the crust of the Earth as the fossil fuels coal and oil. There is no carbon found in the crust of Venus. That is how we know that life did not evolve on Venus. Today the frenzied burning of those fossil fuels here on Earth has resulted in having the huge amount of CO2 stored in them being released all at once into the atmosphere. The Earth’s carbon sinks, the Earth’s natural storage mechanisms for CO2—the rain forests other vegetation and the oceans—have a limit and are now being overwhelmed. As occurred on Venus billions of years ago, that process now appears to have reached the stage of the Runaway Greenhouse Effect here on Earth. Without a Socialist Revolution here in the United States, which is the only possible way to still reverse that process, the situation on Venus today is the future of the Earth in the not so distant future. We are presently experiencing the beginning of that future. Life on Earth will become totally unlivable far before we arrive at the situation existing on Venus today.
The temperature on Earth does not have to rise very much to destroy all life. This is the reality which fake “opposition” figures such as James Hansen and Al Gore deliberately hide, while they attempt to control the issue and lead it to defeat. (See below.) In the 1951 science fiction/political film, The Day The Earth Stood Still, the Earth was visited by people in a flying saucer from a more advanced civilization which delivered an ultimatum at the end: “It is no concern of ours how you run your own planet, but if you threaten to extend your violence, this Earth of yours will be reduced to a burned out cinder. Your choice is simple: join us and live in peace, or pursue your present course and face obliteration. We shall be waiting for your answer. The decision rests with you.” The result of Earth being reduced to a burned out cinder is clearly not limited to war and peace or even nuclear war. Although it goes without saying that capitalism-imperialism, due to its internal dynamic as explained herein, automatically extends violence everywhere and even to outer space with its Star Wars Program, etc. (which has thankfully not yet been realized in practice), capitalism has also extended its maximum violence to the environment. The environmental reality, not science fiction, is that with the onset of the Runaway Greenhouse Effect the Earth is now on course to become a burned out cinder like Venus! Only a Socialist Revolution can avert this catastrophe! It is our right and it is our duty to avert this catastrophe by ending the capitalist dictatorship in the United States through a Socialist Revolution.
The falsely labeled “Archaea” bacteria, tube worms, which have evolved to live at temperatures of up to 110 degrees Fahrenheit, and the hyperthermophilic bacteria, which have evolved to live at water temperatures of up to 239 degrees Fahrenheit will be the last life on Earth because of their ability to live at high temperatures.. (Incidentally, “Archaea” was falsely so-labeled in order to spread confusion in science and to try to undermine in one blow both Darwin’s Theory of Evolution and the irrefutable Primordial Soup Theory of Stanley Miller and Harold Urey of 1953, who demonstrated that the basic building blocks of life; amino acids, purines, pyrimidines and carboxylic acids can all be produced by running electrical sparks simulating lightning through the most-likely original reducing atmosphere of Earth composed of methane, ammonia, hydrogen and water vapor or steam. Later experiments by Miller demonstrated that the precise atmospheric mixture was not as important as the fact that it be a reducing atmosphere, meaning that it must contain NO oxygen, because the compounds necessary for life, namely amino acids, purines and pyrimidines and carboxylic acids (required for the synthesis of lipids) cannot be produced in an oxidizing atmosphere! In addition, it has been reported that Jeffrey L. Bada, who had been a graduate student of Stanley Miller and Adam P. Johnson a graduate student at Indiana University visiting Bada’s laboratory on an internship working with co-workers have discovered 22 amino acids in the original samples from the Stanley Miller-Urey experiments, including 10 that had not been previously reported. (The Miller Volcanic Spark Discharge Experiment, Adam P. Johnson, Daniel P. Glavin, Antonio Lazcano and Jeffrey L. Bada, Science, 17, October 2008. page 404, Vol. 322, no. 5900, DOI: 10.1126 science. 1161527). See also The New York Times, October 17, 2008. In a 1996 interview Stanley Miller also revealed that he had been able to produce pyridines and purines by creating more concentrated pre-biotic “dry beach” conditions, which would have been present in lakes lagoons and beaches on the primitive Earth. From that point, self-replicating RNA molecules are well known and have been extensively studied and described in the major media and peer review journals. And DNA clearly evolved from RNA. There is no crediblee dispute.
In 1969 a carbonaceous meteorite fell in Murchison Australia which had high concentrations of amino acids, about 100 ppm, found in the same pre-biotic experiments of Stanley Miller, proving that the early evolution of life is a constant which occurs throughout the universe given certain favorable conditions, NOT that life came to Earth from comets or asteroids from elsewhere—so called “Theory of Panspermia,” which is also fraudulently being passed off as a “theory of life.” Cosmic rays and the heat of entry into Earth’s atmosphere would have destroyed all life potentially surviving the near absolute zero temperature of interstellar or interplanetary space. The goal of these determined and deliberate falsifiers is to keep the masses confused on as many scientific matters and political matters as possible because a confused person cannot act! False analysis of one issue leads in turn to false analysis of another. In such a situation the masses are much more to think what they are told to think and to do what they are told to do by the capitalist dictatorship. Since 1969 incidentally numerous carbonaceous meteorites have revealed the presence of amino acids.
In response to the knowingly false claim that life supposedly “evolved” rather than adapted to live around submarine vents formed under the oceans where tectonic meet, for example the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, it is a fact that submarine vents don’t make organic compounds, they decompose them! These vents are one of the limiting factors on what organic compounds would exist in the primitive oceans. At the present time, the entire ocean goes through those vents in 10 million years. So all of the organic compounds are destroyed every ten million years. That places a constraint on how much organic material could accumulate. In addition, it also provides a time scale for the origin of life. If all the polymers and other compounds that evolve are continuously destroyed that means life would have to start early and rapidly. Looking at the process in detail, it is clear that long periods of time would be detrimental, rather than helpful to this fraudulent, totally contrived and deliberately misleading so-called “theory” of the origin of life which was created, among other reactionary reasons (see below), in order to provide a false pretext for NASA to carry out extremely costly and entirely unnecessary and useless space ventures to outlying planetary satellites under the false pretext of “searching for life,” wherever there might be water discovered by spectral analysis for example, in order to keep their jobs and obtain continued government funding.
William H. Depperman, Coordinator
United Front Against Racism
And Capitalism-Imperialism
November 27, 2008
Posted by: WHD2 | November 27, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
WHD2
My church has always taught that the old testament (noah, adamandeve) were just stories told to teach a lesson. Evolution is fine to believe in as long we acknowledge that some point God put souls in mankind. I’m not sold on either explanation. i don’t believe in gardens of eden or your idea that we all developed from nothing by chance. If you ask me, intelligent design is way more believable.
Evolution, in regards to the human body, is like walking into the sisteen chapel and thinking that it just “happened” over time by itself.
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Posted by: anonyabc1 | November 29, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
It’s very sad to read so many comments written by Americans who, it seems, would like to see us stay divided and not come together. My feeling is that if you want to be angry, bitter and have a gloomy outlook, why not go live in oh, lets say Pakistan. Maybe you’ll like it better there… especially if you’re a woman.
Good luck to those who choose to be negative.
Posted by: Holly | November 29, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
seriously, those of you who are saying ‘where’s the change’ are ignorant and obviously dont know anything about politics. it’s very repulsive, so just stop wasting your time on this site when you have no idea what you’re talking about. :)
Posted by: djfj | December 1, 2008, 8:07 am 8:07 am
djfj
Barry is a limosuine liberal who will stay at 5 star restaurants, send his children to $18,000 kindergarten classes, drive in luxury SUV’s (while telling me to sell mine to help the polar bears), fly in private jets, and eat lobster dinners every nite all the while telling us “dumb white folk” (as his pastor of 20 years calls us) to “spread the wealth around”.
BO is no different than any other change other than his version of change is far more socialist in nature then this country has ever experienced.
Oh, and joe the biden has made $2,590,000 in the last 10 years and given $3000 to charity (.001%). Now that is what I call patriotic.
LIBERALS ARE ALWAYS GENEROUS WITH OTHER PEOPLE’S $$$
Posted by: liberalshateAmerica | December 1, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
George as always you are pretty stupid. Star power and brain power do ot work out. Star power always wins. When he is going to appoint you to something so we will not have to hear your (whatever) every night and on Sundays. Well, we don’t because we don’t listen anymore. You did us in with the election.
Posted by: Jane | December 1, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
>So where’s the CHANGE????
You… uh… serious?
Wow.
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Posted by: Sharon | December 15, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
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Sharon
http://www.autoloans101.info
Posted by: Sharon | December 15, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am