Obama Derangement Syndrome

The reactionary, neanderthal spacemen make their strange appearance(s). Expect more to follow, as the cavemen emerge-bellow nonsense-and retreat into their black holes.

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
– George Washington
Let us recollect that peace or war will not always be left to our option; that however moderate or unambitious we may be, we cannot count upon the moderation, or hope to extinguish the ambition of others.
–Alexander Hamilton

Broun seriously needs psychological help.
I’ve seen the tape of the supposed “national civilian force” discussion and it’s NOT AT ALL what he meant.
He was talking about fully funding and staffing our foreign service force. Which, of course, any sane person realizes is our first line of defense. They are the ones actually talking to those people who may have ill-intent. They can provide on the ground intelligence in a way no other service can. The CIA is excellent, but they can actually miss cues that our foreign service personnel can pick up. Our intelligence network and our foreign service, Working together (even if unknown to each other), and adequately funded and trained, we are in a better situation to avert dangers. which is always preferrable to sending troops in retaliation.
Only those that are willfully ignorant don’t understand that.

Southerners know what it is like to be invaded by a hostile force that doesn’t share your values or your culture. Southerners know what it is like to be disenfranchised and deprived of their property. Perhaps that makes them better able to spot threats to their way of life than other Americans.
Perhaps instead of being red states and blue states we would be better off being the United Socialist States of America and the Confederate States of America. That way Southerners wouldn’t have to put up with urban condescension and urbanites wouldn’t be held in check by middle American values.

Take out syndrome and you got it Jake! For both the Democrats and especially the PRESS… Certifiably “Deranged” indeed! Obama won’t get another term just like his idelogical twin Jimmy Carter.

Nothing the Republicans do or say here in Georgia surprises me. I am not offended at all. Y’all go right ahead and make fun of them.

I presume that Rep Broun has forgotten Sen McCain’s proposed to deal with inner city crime, if he was elected Nov 4th. McCain planned to use “Surge” tactics. Yep, just send our troops in there like we did in Iraq and clean up those inner city problems!
I’m so glad McCain lost, and I’m hoping the Georgia electorate will boot Broun out the door too, when he comes up for re-election. What an ignoramus; I’d be embarrassed to have him represent me in Congress.

So THIS is why there were communist flags on display Tuesday night.
hmmmmm…

Give’m hell Rep. Broun. Don’t back down!!
He’s spent his life studying socialism and hanging out with Marxist. He had to campaign as a conservative to win. Allinsky taught him lying is justified for social justice!! He’s a snake!!

Who cares what this doofus thinks? 70% of America is squarely behind our president-elect. Happy days are here again.

Dear “one planet, one people please,”
Try your logic on the people that died in the foreign terror attacks on American soil. It does not work. Don’t we all want peace? Sure, but sometimes you have to fight for it.

“Rational thought about who should be President???” You’ve got to be kidding. There was nothing remotely ‘rational’ about the swooning that came from the mere mention of the Chosen One’s name. There are people running around thinking that obama is going to pay their mortgage! Once he ruins the economy by decimating most of America’s small businesses and unemployment is running the highest in this country’s history, where is he going to get all the money needed to fund all these entitlement programs?? Oh, I forgot, Hollywierd will donate it all. :) History is going to judge us all, for sure. What will be written though is that the majority of the populace was so blinded by rage at the unpopular administration in office that they paid no attention to the policies of his successor — so long as he didn’t share the same party affiliation it didn’t matter. Remember I said it in 12 months, “YOU ASKED FOR IT AMERICA!!”

Thank you for reminding everyone about what has been said. Really it can be simply summed up: birds of a feather flock together ie Wright, Farakan, Ayers,Fledgler……. need I say more?
We are in deep trouble with this Obama that has never done anything. All we have seen of his ideas come from the people I just mentioned ie his buddies. I am so thankful that GOD is the one in ultimate control. If I didn’t have the faith to know this without a shred of doubt I would be very scared.

Don’t forget, fellow Dems, that we here in Georgia are facing an important runoff senate election soon, between Dem Martin and Rep Chambliss. There is a website, martinforsenate dot com where you can read about it. You can see what we are up against.

Excue me but did some one say “Obama is one of the very few honest and ethical politicians on this planet. You can take that to the bank.”
There is no one from the Chicago political machine on any level that is honest and ethical, check the history of Chicago politics. Can you say “naive and stupid” And as car as fighting for what is right and just I can’t say it any better the John Stewart Mills when he said,
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)

Well Mr. Tapper, sounds like you’re in the tank for the messiah also. Would you like to explain to us why this country has to spend taxpayer dollars in our present economy on “a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” as our legal military. Are you a Marist also or just plain stupid?
Both I would say.

70 percent of the people support him even though he got 53 percent of the vote???

ODS would be if we were blaming Obama for anything and everything that was not his responsibility. Only problem here is the messiah actually said he wanted to create this gestapo like force. So why isn’t anyone questioning this except for vague references in stories about about incorrect comparisons to BDS…

david,
where is the logic in “fight for peace”
you might fight to subdue
but it will not be a lasting peace.
we have been fighting, david, and still no peace.
and we will not fight our way to peace in the middle east.
the only way to have a lasting peace
is study war no more.
i do believe we should have arms for protection, and all nations should be in
agreement. and if one nation tries to subdue another nation with threats of war. all other should rise up against tht nation.
peace,david,peace,
we will never fight our way to peace.
it is going to have to be agreed on.

I could not have said it better. We cannot allow Obama and the International Communist Conspiracy ((c) 1952) to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

The problem is that, with Bush, it turned out not to be a “deragement” or a “syndrome.” At the end of the day, everything we on the left predicted about Bush really did come true. He really was incompetent. he really did lie us into war. He really did read our email and post and listen to our phone calls without warrants. He really did balloon the debt. He really did appoint incompetent cronies (see: Brownie, etc.). He really did sink America’s stature abroad to it’s lowest point in history. He really did trash the environment. On all these things… he really did them. That doesn’t make his 2000 critics “deranged,” it makes them prescient and 100% correct.

one planet…please look up Neville Chamberlain. he’s between “capitulation” and “peace” (in our time) in the encyclopedia.

Good to see that the lunatic faction is still alive and well, championing and championed by Rep. Paul Broun.
Man, you people are truly bonkers. Is the water where you are, or what?

one planet…
You can’t just sit around and watch people be victims of genocide on the other side of the world and hope that it does not make to your neighborhood. It needs to be stopped, period. So, you can sit around and drink herbal tea and bash those fighting for your protection and freedom all you want. The truth is that it is going on, and needs to continue. Peace through strength and vigilance.

neville c. was a bumbling, incompetent,egotist,
all of you can say whatever you want to say, and try and insult me. i find your insults humorous.
but i will continue to say,
this would will be on it’s way to being as our creator intended
once we have unity
we will have peace.
world rid of all “isms”-yes
govts in agreement-yes
world court-yes
arms gone-yes
peace on earth
unless we all decide this is what we want, none of us will be alive to witness it. but our grands will.
and isn’t that a grand thought?
i can understand why most of you feel hopeless, and cynical about the world.
but better days are just ahead.
try to join in.

etothex,
obama will be going to a memorial service for his grandmother in a few weeks.
and do you really care?

One planet…
None of those were insults, just facts. Check your facts and history. There is nothing amusing in that. I have legitimate concerns that I just “hope” away and will “change” on their own. I fear for my children whenever adults cannot take care of themselves, let alone innocents. I cannot understand your logic in turning and looking away only hoping for the problems to be gone, and not interrupt your lifestyle. Sad.

Where will this new army come from? I suppose he will bankrupt this country enough that in walks China and their army.

When you read the postings to this forum, only 2 Obamanation supporters even bother to posit anything even resembling a plausible explanation for Obama’s “civilian national security force, as powerful and well-funded as our military” speech. Even these posters fall short of justifying the words that Obama used in describing the force. The rest of the Obama-ites in this forum have no idea whether he did or didn’t intend something ominous by what he was proposing, but they rush to defend him (or should I say “Him”) anyway, while insulting those who are concerned about this. Since this story has been widely circulated since 3 days prior to the election, what if someone in the press had actually done their job, and asked Obama to explain what he was talking about in the video? No, that would never happen. What if Obama or at least someone on his team, would have bothered to reassure the concerned people and explain what he “really meant”? Maybe that would have been a good idea? Maybe that wouldn’t have left a vacuum that resulted in the the concerns and fears that some ten days later have led to a Congressman giving voice to them? The silence on Obama’s part since this issue was raised, and the failure of the Obama-worshipping press to even ask him about it, left reasonable persons to be very concerned. Any person with a modicum of reason would have to admit that the video in circulation paints an ominous picture, absent a response and explanation from Obama. His failure to explain this is a failure of leadership. His own statements about his (hopefully past) affinity for Marxist professors, have certainly generated cause for concern amongst reasonable persons – as did his comments about spreading the wealth around, calling people concerned about higher taxes “selfish”, saying that the US Constitution was fundamentally flawed because it didn’t endorse “wealth re-distribution”. These things, and his language, all paint a picture of a man who at the very least was substantially influenced by Marxist thought. It doesn’t help that his biggest role model is the disgusting America-hater and bigot, Jeremiah Wright. If Obama’s supporters were rational people, they might stop to consider these things before attacking those with concerns.

As an American who sat through many nights of watching CNN’s ticker roll the terror alert color codes of “yellow” and “orange” post 9/11 and through our deployment of troops to Afghanistan and Iraq, I realized we were not well manned and armed for an attack on American soil.
It makes sense to have a homeland security force since we have to prepare ourselves for the inevitable.
Obama is very smart and believes in taking care of home first. So many of the GOP representatives are out of touch
and afraid of change; hence Broud’s offbase assessment of what Obama proposes to do to ensure homeland security coverage. The new force would also create new jobs.

Eugene,
What parts of the rest of the world have you been to over the last 10 years? I am curious. Are you speaking from personal experience and conversation, or simply what you see on CNN, etc. I have traveled extensively and do not see what you have.

The whole news media has sold us down the river.

Can we PLEASE.. PLEASE give him a chance How many of you can name GWB Chief of staff? but there has been a big deal about the Puppy to the white house…last I checked our government has checks and Balances

Man , what’s goin on? I keep looking for the unicorns out back. And my wife said the mortage bill just came.And my trucks actually needs gas! WA HAPPIN? I thought the Messiah was gonna fix all this stuff, just by virtue of being elected? Well at least i can join the civilian corps of death, and get me some of those gold boots! Cool man.

what do you do cherry pick drudge and fox? come on is this news? we just had bush take us to war with lies and run the debt up 5 trillion and now the treasury cut rates for banks without the congress knowing.

Marine 43- my truck needs gas too! I hope that it can wait until January when all of my financial concerns will be solved by “Messiah Vouchers” via executive order@

You people spouting all this crap are scary. What do you think Obama is going to do with all his power? Chain you up, shoot you down, kill your family members, imprison all you know? Is he going to imprison people for spouting all this garbage and slander you all do? Are you nuts? We don’t have the room to hold the lot of you so you’re safe. Why is he the anti-christ? and why is religion even in the political realm? That worked really well for Elizabeth Dole. The man isn’t even in office yet and you all have him proclaiming a death sentence to each and every one of you! You are alarmists and love to be in the middle of strife you create all by yourselves. Apparently your Bush on a pedestal wasn’t afraid to meet with him….

Dear Marine43,
Well, since my vouchers haven’t arrived yet, and I must still get to work on time in the morning, I am leaving this blog and getting some shut-eye. If my vouchers arrive early, I’ll share with you- just like a garden fresh tomato.
Good night Mr. Obama. I hope that our comments were acceptable this evening.

Motivations of the greatest good can cause the greatest harm if they coalesce the power to limit the freedoms of the people in one hand. Good motivations can blind people to the ramifications of their actions until it is too late.
That being said, if we remind ourselves and others, and safeguard our liberties we can work as a house united to solve the problems we face today. Don’t let paranoia tear us apart.

Oh crap , Forgot to wish all bretherin a hardy Semper Fi! Today is our birthday! Damn and here i am sober! MARINE43 OUT.

One planet…
I was fine until the Dem congress got a hold of their power trip. That’s how I spell abuse. Altmeyer is Pelosi’s little puppet, sickening.

Greg-
EXCELLENT AND 100% TRUE.
Thanks for posting it. My knuckles are sore from dragging them all day… :)
All true buddy, your points really irritate me. Especially how snide they are, disgusting. Thanks again.

just a reminder that campaign promises
by all politicians are generally made to get the most votes possible . If Obama finds that most people would be justifiably alarmed by his powerful national militia proposal its doubtful he would pursue it , at least not overtly even if he could afford it financially . Hopfully he will be surrounded by enough logical and truly patriotic staffers that his 20 years of Rev Wright rhetoric can be deprogrammed from his subconcious quickly

To Mr. Broun and people that align with your views/mentality:
Look, the election is over. How is this view different from any other thing the McCain-Palin campaign tried to introduce against Obama? You are a Republican, and if this is any indication that the rest of the party is along your way of thinking then you have lost my support for your party.
Seriously, the Broun’s of this country should suck it up! Obama has won and it is time to rally behind the President-Elect. I really hope the Republican party looks hard within, especially a hard-look at people like the Broun’s of this country.

ok david,
i respect you point. I saw not only govt. abuse of power, but neglect of power. and it was before the dem. congress came in.
I have not been pleased with Nancy P.
and would like to see her replaced.
but govt. neglect, abuse, and favortism for friends and few I have seen with the bush white house.
and if there is anything good now to come from the bush white house, is his adm. was so bad, it now has all american engaged in the political process, and everyone now has to pay attention.
and that is a good thing,
talk about germany 1930′-
after 911-when we should have all been paying attention, and engaged in the conversation about going to war, in IRAQ? when everything said bin laden was elsewhere. during those day-and right up until the day David Gregory asked the question of bush, and bush said, (in his voice of-for once and for all stop asking me this question)
No there were no WMD’
at that time, if you were not sure we should be going to war, you chanced having someone say you were not a patriot. so you just kept your mouth closed, or talked among close friends,
while you watched your country invade another country.
now that is what i call abuse of power

Another Whack Job Republican…where do they find these people…they need to start charging guys like Broun with hate crimes and inciting violence, or at least a hefty civil suit for defamation of character

Have any of you mouth-foaming Republican ranters ever actually read anything written by Karl Marx? Just wondering. If any of you have the first clue what you’re talking about on the subject of Marxism, it’s not coming across.

this guy is a true Republican/Conservative Fundamentalist ‘head-case…….
here’s a few “Broun-isms”…take a deep breath!
10th Congressional District Republican incumbent Rep. Paul Broun is loud and proud when it comes to Jesus. Last year he promised to subject all legislation that passes his desk to a Biblical test
Yesterday, Broun pushed his overbearing Jesusness to new levels of stupidity when he accused his opponent, State Rep. Barry Fleming, R-Harlem, of not being a real Christian.
Paul Broun, R-Georgia, government-assisted masturbation (in the form of pornographic magazine sales at military facilities) is “denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad.”
To protect America’s servicemen and women from rubbing one out on Uncle Sam, Broun has proposed something called the Military Honor and Decency Act.
Broun continues to step out on the narrow end of the limb. This week, he introduced a bill to ban abortion. That’s right, his “Sanctity of Human Life Act” declares that fertilized ova are entitled to the constitutional promise of life, liberty, etc.

Mark Twain once observed that, “History never repeats itself. It merely rhymes.”
People who have never learned history or have been fed a revisionist version of it are doomed to repeat it.
Go find a true history lesson on the Weimar Republic of Post WWI Germany.
Only then can you have an informed and intelligent perspective on where we stand today.

rider,
i know with the last line you were trying to be funny.
but of course i don’t think it is a good gene.
but i do think people have to learn what leads to the higher nature, and how to put down the lower nature, (and this is something we will all struggle with until our last breathe-but struggle we must)
everyone has a choice each day, to decide how they will treat their fellow humans.
if we don’t try to decide today i will treat all i meet with respect. that lower nature will tell you everytime-if someone crosses you-get them back.
evil is the higher nature warring with the lower nature. and most of the time ego will help the lower nature win out everytime.
“when thought of war come-replace them with a stronger thought of peace.”

one planet, i wish you well. hope a plane and see if you can impress a bit of higher nature on some islamic radicals, or maybe a few rebels in the congo. let me know how that works out.
blue, that looks like a cut and paste job. it’s probably better to make a point with an article that is not written from a blatantly biased point of view. try a cut and paste from the congressional record next time. all those pejoratives blur the point you are trying to make.

Cindy says, “they need to start charging guys like Broun with hate crimes and inciting violence, or at least a hefty civil suit for defamation of character.”
Absolutely – let’s release those poor misunderstod terrorists at Guantanamo and send people like Broun there. Anybody who suggests Obama might have totalitarian inclinations should not be left at large; he should be locked up along with all his family and friends.
Because with supporters like Cindy, who could possibly think Obama might be a totalitarian?

Broun is a nutcase with a bad memory. I seem to remember that GWBush was hoping to orient the national guard forces into posse comitatus troops. In fact, this may just have actually occurred horribly, given Bush’s propensity for secretive underhandedness in his administration. For Broun to accuse Obama of something like a secret militaristic force for a US dictatorship only shows a feeble mind who has no business representing the decent people of Georgia. Especially when that small intellect – Broun – fear mongers about something his own erstwhile Loser In Chief Bush did exactly what Broun suggests. Forgive me sounding partisan, but these Republican extremists like this man are total whacks. As whacky as GWBush if not more so.

I think it is irresponsible of Broun to spout this stuff. This is a time to work together and find away out of what might be the worst economic problems of our lifetime. I haven’t heard Obama say anything about taking guns. In times like this stirring fear in people is close to treason. If Obama trys to take inordinate amounts of power the people like me who voted fro him will oppose him. I think what most conservatives miss is that Obama won both the popular vote and the electorial votes by gaining the support of middle Americans like me. Far right conservatives are a minority and if Republicans continue on the course of pandering to the far right there will be even fewer Republicans in office.

rider237
re: “……blatantly biased point of view. try a cut and paste from the congressional record next time. all those pejoratives blur the point you are trying to make.”
what pejoratives? it’s as completely fair as
Brouns analogy….. of course it was copied as it expressed my sentiments so much better than I could myself…… what? you don’t agree?

Arg, Deranged, there’s that word again – Patriotic. Stop it already, it’s lost all meaning after having been misused and abused by the Bush administration all these years, not to mention the GOP campaign that just failed so miserably. Nobody falls for that anymore. Calling someone Patriotic or Unpatriotic is just shorthand for saying “in my party” or “in the other party”. At lesat for the right.

You know those dogs who have been abused from puppyhood and cower and cringe, showing their submissiveness and surrender? Yes, they are pitiful, but they are also contemptible. They almost invite a kick. As a civilized and humane person, I would never deliver it, but there always have been and always will be those who are not quite so civilized and humane, those who lack pity and overflow with contempt for weakness.
God help this country if its enemies ever conclude that is the true America.

This is nonsense. I guess a lot of people dont know what socialism is? Because Obama wants to give tax breaks to Americans, he is now a socialist. I just feel everyone in America should have a right to education. With Education, you will never grant audience to this nuts. Nobody calls Bush a Socialist for executing the biggest Socialist agenda, they should also remove Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security benefits, lest you dont know, they are all Socialist agendas. Stupid! We need Education in this country.

How do idiots like this get elected? I guess Georgia hasn’t entered the 21st Century as of yet. I take that back. Georgia hasn’t entered the 20th Century yet. You would think that a member of congress would have to score above feeble-minded on an IQ test before being on a ballot. But in Georgia the opposite seems to be true.

Duane – I don’t agree with everything you say – but I absolutely agree that this site has done absolutely everything it can to fuel the fires of hatred and division. What is even more disturbing is that they seem to thrive on it – it is their niche. There were plenty of legitimate stories that could have been covered this week – take a look at the stories that are covered instead. This comment will almost certainly be cut – but violence, hate speech, innudendo, copied lists from bottom feeder blogs – intended to rip America apart – are all welcome.

Just the kind of piece I would expect from an “objective” news source like ABC.
I’ve just learned to ignore these incompetent, unobjective, non-professional play journalists.

I’m a reasonable person and I sincerely hope that Obama succeeds in solving some of the daunting problems we now have. I will applaud him if he does.
However, I’m a little nervous and wonder what what Obama really has in mind. The possibility of the Fairness Doctrine, an internal National Security Force, required youth service and income redistribution have unavoidable parallels to dark times in history. I hope I’m wrong and this is all overreaction but some of what I’m seeing is alarming. There are early hints that Obama may be getting ready to rule rather than govern. We’ll see.

Can we all please just say no to the fear? Truly, it’s exhausting. A civilian police force does not equate to a Gestapo. It’s about getting people involved so that they’re invested in their own communities. Until that happens, can we all please just let go of the irrational fear? Give the guy a chance. Obama’s not a hater. He’s inspired so many people because his message is about hope, and bringing people together. It’s a good thing.

Fear Mongering is the only tactic that GOP has?
As a democrat, I want a sound opposion party, not pathetic, stupid one.

Janny,
why can’t obama just have the desire to do good for the country in mind? and not all of this covert stuff people keeping bring up.
and on the rule or govern bit.
after eight year of i don’t know now what to call it. it is about time someone had ruling or governing in mind.
because we picked the lost to lead us and we have been lead into the wilderness.

Jake:
re: “We already need a name for the reverse disorder.”
here ya go: ‘dis-associative Obamanoia’
symptoms include:
- unreasoned comparisons of Obama to all fascist, marxist and communist societies
- paranoid fear of a non-existent Obama secret police force
- also manifests itself with a strong fear of Pelosi, Reid and Frank
- predisposition indicated for making up rhymes with the name Obama
- unreasoned assumptions as to who is ‘American”

This is Karl Rove’s legacy. He controlled the Republican base by feeding them lies and urban legends.
Now they’re so poisoned by his toxic game that they don’t know which way is up.
Rove mocked the “reality-based community” because he deals strictly in fantasy.
The GOP is now the party of paranoid delusion.
YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

Broun is the type of Georgian whose relatives only recently got their hands on that “new invention” toilet paper.

From among the millions of “raw” reports from American spies and their “assets” around the world came a CIA Middle East warning about a possible kamikaze-style air attack on a U.S. navy base at a south Pacific island location.
The only problem was that no such navy base existed on the island and no U.S. Seventh Fleet warship had ever been there.
In all seriousness, a U.S. military investigation earlier reported that Osama bin Laden had been spotted shopping at a post office on a U.S. military base in east Asia

President-elect Obama didn’t just say he wanted a civilian national security force. His exact words were: “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
So President-elect Obama wants a civilian national security force that is at least 1 million strong with a budget of over $500 billion. AND he say he needs this force in addition to our military to enforce the national security objectives that they have set. WHAT are these objectives? WHY will it take such a force to achieve these objectives?
Unless and until President-elect Obama is forthright about what these objectives are we can only speculate. And since he said that this force will be “just as powerful” as our military, you have to assume that means it will be armed. Is he planning to use this force to run out the illegal immigrants? Probably not! Is he planning to stifle those who oppose his agenda? I pray not!

I’ll bet Broun freaked out over Y2K too. Alarmist much or what??
Does this doofus forget we had a national civilian security force from the start? Can you say Minutemen?????

After eight years of bitter derangement the liberals on this comment board have no right to judge anyone. You put politics before country, and all the lies about stolen elections, Iraq and the Patriot Act have assured only one thing – the right will do to your messiah what you did to President Bush and America. It’s going to be an ugly, angry four years.

why doesn’t Mr. Broun take his weird concerns to be investigated by his state’s very own Georgia Department of Law Enforcement…oh wait, that agency is a “well-funded” “civilian domestic force” too.
oh, oh, they’re here..

The central U.S. justification for launching the Iraq War was that Saddam Hussein’s alleged development of nuclear and biological weapons and purported ties to al-Qaeda made his regime a “grave and growing” threat to the United States and the world community. During the lead-up to the war and the aftermath of the invasion, critics cast doubt on the evidence supporting this rationale. Concerning Iraq’s weapons programs, prominent critics included Scott Ritter, a former U.N. weapons inspector who argued in 2002 that inspections had eliminated the nuclear and chemical weapons programs, and that evidence of their reconstitution would “have been eminently detectable by intelligence services ….” Although Saddam Hussein had earlier forced the IAEA weapons inspectors to leave Iraq, after the build up of U.S. troops in neighboring states, he welcomed them back and promised complete cooperation with their demands. Experienced IAEA inspection teams were already back in Iraq and had made some interim reports on its search for various forms of WMD. Joseph C. Wilson, an American diplomat investigated claims that Iraq had sought uranium for nuclear weapons in Niger and reported that they had no substance.The U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee “found that Wilson’s report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts.”Prior to the invasion, Wilson also argued that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.”
Similarly, alleged links between Iraq and al-Qaeda were called into question during the lead up to the war, and were largely discredited by an October 21, 2004 report from U.S. Senator Carl Levin, which was later corroborated by an April 2006 report from the Defense Department’s inspector general.These reports further alleged that Bush Administration officials, particularly former undersecretary of defense Douglas J. Feith, manipulated evidence to support links between al-Qaeda and Iraq.
In August, 2008, journalist Ron Suskind published The Way of the World, in which he claims the Habbush letter was a forgery, created by the CIA on direct order of the President, to imply a tie between Al Qaeda and Iraq.
Lack of a U.N. mandate
One of the main questions in the lead-up to the war was whether the United Nations Security Council would authorize military intervention in Iraq. When it became increasingly clear that U.N. authorization would require significant further weapons inspections, and that the U.S. and Britain planned to invade Iraq regardless, many criticized their effort as unwise, immoral, and illegal. Robin Cook, then the leader of the British House of Commons and a former foreign secretary, resigned from Tony Blair’s cabinet in protest over Britain’s decision to invade without the authorization of a U.N. resolution. Cook said at the time that: “In principle I believe it is wrong to embark on military action without broad international support. In practice I believe it is against Britain’s interests to create a precedent for unilateral military action.”
United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said, when pressed in an interview with the BBC in September 2004, “[F]rom our point of view and from the Charter point of view [the war] was illegal.” This drew immediate criticism from the United States and was immediately played down.

anais:
I don’t think many people are crazy enough to fully trust politicians.
However, that was one of Obama’s main approaches – that people had lost trust in the political process, and that he wanted to attempt to restore it.
We’ll see how that goes . .. give it a chance.

Now all the losers become cynics and conspiracy theorists. Joy!
You wonder why people are objectional to your ideas against Obama? Your attitudes. Change your attitudes. Be constructive. Then people will listen.
Don’t sound like sore losers that just can’t admit defeat. Everything that does not belong to you are bad. Yeah right. How presumptuous to assume that you are always right?

Kofi Annan was wrong with his analysis. As a party to the 1991 Gulf War, the United States has the right to terminate the cease fire for cause. If we aren’t under a UN mandate why is it that the UN mandate ends on December 31st? Thus the scramble to come up with an agreement on keeping our troops in Iraq before the UN mandate ends.

This is the “national service” Obama has spoken of. I can’t believe the paranoia on this site. Good grief!
“The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.”

I’ll bet Mr. Broun has never made the connection between the Ministry of Truth in the book 1984 and The Patriot Act.
I’ll also bet that he thinks it’s OK to keep American citizens in prison without trial, OK to kidnap foreign citizens and “render” them to torture and OK to eavesdrop without warrant on the phone and email of Americans.
Too bad he never heard Ben Franklin’s warning that those who would give up a bit of Liberty for a bit of security soon will have neither.

No James, the UN did not mandate ANY attack on Iraq. The UN came into play AFTER the attack in order to come on side in an attempt to bring some semblance of order into how the country would be administered.

Evrviglnt, talking about putting politices before country, that’s exactly what Republican candidate John McCain did. Picking a totally unqualified Sara Palin to up his chance to win.
Lying? That’s exactly what John McCain campaign did. Have you thought carefully why so many people disregarded what McCain’s negative campaign has been spreading? Because most American’s know what they are – negative campaign – lies, spin, half-truth. Only the McCain faithful who refuse to think critically followed it, and many still do. Don’t you see how those people smeared Obama were smearing Palin in the past few days?
Ugly and angry four years? You convinced me there, judging from the existence of people like you. That’s the price of freedom. You are allowed to be angry and ugly and refuse to see the light of things. You won’t be taken to concentration camp like the author of this article cautions and implies to us. We can have a bet.

Although completely unreported by the U.S. media and government, the answer to the
Iraq enigma is simple yet shocking — it is in large part an oil currency war. One of the
core reasons for this upcoming war is this administration’s goal of preventing further
Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) momentum towards the
euro as an oil transaction currency standard.

And so, to disagree with Obama is Obama Derangement Syndrome? To use Obama’s own words to point out a marxist trend is Obama Derangement Syndrome?
To resort to calling the Congressman names confirms the congressman’s point. Disagree, become the target of name calling.
This tactic is not unusual for liberals, because without substantive debate, they resort to name calling, like: Obama Derangement Syndrome
Think, yes think, about what Obama is saying. If you actually think, you will agree with the congressman’s point.

speaking of Obama derangement:
remember this one:
“It sure is tragic that African Press International, a distinguished media group whose only apparent outlet is a recent free account on blogspot, never released those damaging Obama tapes.
One shudders to imagine the horrors revealed if someone would only forward their bank account information to cover a small transfer fee.”

When Bush proposed the same thing, I don’t recall a lot of negative comment coming from the deep South. In fact, most Republicans thought it was a great idea. I guess it sounds different coming from a Democrat. What goes around, comes around.

I have been reading this and several other forums over the course of your election year. I am a Canadian, but like most Canadians, I take an interest in American political affairs.
It is sad to see that the level of political discourse in America has deteriorated to such an extremely low level. Reasoning, skepticism, and analysis has been replaced by paranoia, name-calling, partisan cliches and intolerance for alternate views. It seems to me difficult for a democracy to thrive without its citizens showing some capability for reasoned discourse.
It seems to me that it is as wrong-headed to assume that Obama’s proposed national security force is going to be some sort of gestapo as it is to assume that it can never evolve into one. Complacency about that possibility could lead to a failure to put in place the necessary legislative safeguards initially to ensure that it doesn’t happen in the future.
Complacency about potential adverse outcomes, and the chronic failure of your government to account for them in their planning and policies might be seen by some as one of the common threads running through many of America’s present plights – from the Iraq war to the collapse of the housing market to the present financial crisis.
I note that there are those who state that Obama’s election has somehow transcended race. Given the overwhelming proportion of African-Americans that voted for Obama, that hardly seems likely. I doubt that any particular racial group is going to be so predominately Democrat (or Republican for that matter). This is not to say that a racial motivation in voting for Obama is not understandable- even reasonable. The symbolic and historical significance of electing Obama to your presidency would be too great a factor for many to ignore. I don’t understand the difficulty in honestly acknowledging this. This does not suggest that Obama was not a worthy candidate or had one-dimensional appeal.
It is obvious that both candidates had their relative merits and each had much to admire. It is also obvious that many Americans embraced the idea that Obama represented a needed change of direction in America’s political leadership. Time will tell if the American electorate was correct.
In any event, now that the racial barrier to the presidency, has been broken, one can only hope that your future elections can be more focused on the merits of the candidates and not unduly influenced by racial considerations.
I hope this post hasn’t come across as too preachy. After reading a great deal of nonsense in the media, and in many of the discussion postings over the past several months, I felt I had to comment-even as an outside observer.

ericka
‘don’t add to it by insulting the intelligence of conservatives’
you can’t insult what’s not there

Erika,
Media bias towards Obama. Nah. It’s more like media recognition of McCain lies. That’s the blowback McCain gets for the half-truths and lies from his negative campaign.

Jake – Why do you post this BS as if it were something we all need to be worried about. Why dignify it with a posting. What’s next, Obama is an alien who plans to take over the planet earth.
Rep Broun clearly forgot to take his meds.
Have a little respect for cyring out loud. Stop the insanity

James:
That is an American government resolution, not a United Nations resolution or mandate.
I’m sure you know the difference. The United Nations did not authorize ANY attack on Iraq.

iamcanadian,
What you said in 2nd paragraph is right on.
Without the majority capable of critical thinking, with scientic knowledge and reasoning muddled by organized religion, America democracy is a critical point. Drama from this election season is a proof of it.
Ask 1) how many conservatives think Palin is qualified to be president, not vice president, not your Idol, not your best friend, not a pop icon, not your community leader, nor your mayor, but the president of USA.
2) If you don’t, did you voted for McCain anyway?
3) Did you take your civic responsibility and do your own fact checks from RELIABLE sources regarding campaign issues?
I am sure there are many civically irresponsible Democrats as well.
Not until everyone start to take up their civil responsibility, not until the majority learn to think critically, not until then, would future Presidential campaigns stop lying for vote.
I hope all Americans would see the urgent need for THAT change. That’s not a change McCain or Obama can give. We have to do it.

All tryants have created youth movements and civilian security forces. Haven’t you read any history? If you had, many of Obama’s statements would be worrisome to you. Unfortunately, today’s degree holders have been indoctrinated with leftist claptrap rather than educated and are too damn dumb to know when they are in danger.

The UN Security Council DID authorize the use of force in the 1991 Gulf War. And when Saddam Hussein failed to comply with the 1991 cease fire and the cease fire was rescinded, the war resumed under the original 1991 UN mandate.
YES I do know the difference between a U. S. Congressional resolution and a UN resolution. I brought up the former to show that we invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein failed to comply with the conditions of the afore mentioned cease fire.

United Nations weapons inspectors found no evidence of WMD, giving support to earlier criticism of poor intelligence on Iraqi WMDs.[40] After the invasion, the U.S.-led Iraq Survey Group concluded that Iraq had ended its WMD programs in 1991 and had no active programs at the time of the invasion.

All you who say that the possibilty of a dictatorship in America is hogwash are horrifyingly discarding the lessons of history (at your own peril I might add). Remember the burning of the Reichstag?
Adolf Eichmann?
Consider the Milgram experiment: “Only one participant steadfastly refused to administer shocks before the 300-volt level.”
“one experiment was held in a respectable university, the other in an unregistered, backstreet office in a bustling city; the greater the locale’s respectability, the greater the obedience rate”
Be careful where you put your trust. Remember the government is there to serve us, not the other way around.

The UN did not need to reauthorize the use of force in 2002. It had already authorized the use of force in 1991.

The U.S. has long maintained its involvement there is with the support of the Iraqi people, but in 2005 when asked directly, 82–87% of the Iraqi populace was opposed to U.S. occupation and wanted U.S. troops to leave. 47% of Iraqis supported attacking U.S. troops.

complacency,
There is always a possibility of dictatorship. Everything is possible.
But after McCain’s divisive campaign, the chance of this article being result of that, or aimed to feed the divisive crowd, that chance by far outweight the chance of Obama’s previous comment signaling a Gestapo government.
Playing clip text, you can create a novel out of it.

United Nations weapons inspectors found no evidence of WMD, giving support to earlier criticism of poor intelligence on Iraqi WMDs. After the invasion, the U.S.-led Iraq Survey Group concluded that Iraq had ended its WMD programs in 1991 and had no active programs at the time of the invasion.

James, what action by Iraq warranted the termination of cease fire? Violated the no-flight zone? Production of weapons of mass destruction? Re-Invasion of Kuwait?
I bet you’d pick weapons of mass destruction. And that was the whole discussion was about. THERE WAS NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!

Uh. Obama will have the most powerful military on the planet answering directly to him.
Adding more people to the mix isn’t really going to add to his power. Well unless you believe blowing up the Earth 6.1 times over is significantly different then blowing it up 6 times.

johntx please study the Schutzstaffel, the Praetorian Guard and Napoleon’s Imperial Guard. The point is: Powerful people like to have their own personal armed forces as the regular army is too unfamiliar and cumbersome to use for certain tasks.

John,
No. I didn’t say I was right. I did not argue I was right. I was merely quoting information for “The Observer” to read, since he/she expressed genuine curiosity in knowing the other side of the opinion – how Patriot Act reduced civil liberty.
I am sure you and “The Observer” can be your own guide to the right answer to the question. If not, I am sure your curiosity will lead you to more qualified people to argue the points than I can.

I’m not sure what Obama is going to do, but I do know that I will show him the same respect, support and devotion the Democrats have shown GWB the past eight years.

Perhaps Rep. Paul Broun, R-Georgia intends to run for president in 2012, also, so he’s trying to out do Palin in weirdness.
I am sorry if the lawful election of an American president, by a clear majority of the voters, should be a cause for fear in the hearts of anyone, even the pitiful few who have no place to cry about it but here.
Especially sad is the phrase “history shows” when clearly what they mean is “hysteria shows”.

I just listened to Imus and he was interviewing Michael Beschloss. While they were marveling about how great it is that Obama was elected. Beschloss said he has an IQ that’s off the charts. He continued talking through Imus’ question “what is his IQ”. Imus has to ask him 3 times before he admitted that he didn’t know. He even said he’s probably one of our smartest presidents. As Bill Clinton said, this is the biggest fantasy! Shame on our news media for doing this to us.

Barack Jong-Il just established a “permanent” transition committee. It is completely tax-free, takes unlimited donations and all of the donors are totally anonymous. How’s that for open government, all you reform Democrats? Goes right along the lines of his “promise” to take federal matching funds in the campaign, doesn’t it? Let the sun shine!

There you have it… are you happy that you elected the most liberal, unexperienced, socialist politician in the U.S. to be president ?
All of the Obama lovers out there who make excuses for him regarding his past associations and the comments he has made about his desire for certain agendas.. you are totally delusional and YOU PEOPLE are the deranged ones..
America will get what they deserve. Obama will hand you payback for electing him president. America will never be the same again.
Wait and see.

If you all think the last eight years were so bad, why are you still here? Could it be that though this country isn’t perfect, it is still the strongest, most prosperous, and most free nation on earth? It didn’t get that way by being scocialist.

Could the possibility of a citizen security force be real? Actually, it could. It’s happening in Iowa. The Iowa smoking ban hinges on citizen complaints via phone, letter, or a web complaint form. Once the State receives a complaint, an “investigation” is initiated thereby allowing the State to penalize the individual for non-compliance. The smoking ban LITERALLY relies on citizens reporting on other citizens in order for it to work. Smokers in Iowa call them the “Smoke Nazi’s” working for the “Smoke Gestapo.” A “citizen security force” could happen as long as people are willing to participate.

Well if Broun is as nutty as some of you contend, you libs have a long and miserable four years ahead of you because there are at least 57 million more of us who feel the same way as Congressman Broun. Obama’s resume reads like a Marxist manifesto. Apparently the Obama Kool Aid has gotten to alot of mushy brains as it was intended to do. You poor complacently pathetic libs can go sit this out for the next four years while we gun toters once again pull your fat out of the fire. The South is gonna rise again.

Anything is better than that moron-King Bush… Anything. Socialism, Marxism- who cares. I don’t.

Representative Paul Broun is being perceptive. It was just yesterday that one of Obama’s spokesperson (Valerie Jarrett) said ‘Obama Ready to RULE on Day 1′. It may be an unfortunate choice of words, but Messiah and his team have consistently said one thing…then done another throughout his campaign. Trust is not a word I would use for his upcoming dictatorship.

Adam, you and a few others on this board are going overboard. There aren’t anything close to 50 million people who think like you nor 50 million people who are liberals. Thank goodness, most of us are middle of the road with no axe to grind who don’t buy into bigfoot stories and Obama is a Muslim nonsense. We require a little more substance in drawing conclusions. Our country is more important than “the South will rise again” nonsense. So much for “country first”. Both McCain and Obama are good, honorable men and we don’t need to be falsely painting them as extremists on the slimmest threads interpreting quotes the way we want to or seeing conspiracies that aren’t there. Both liberals and conservatives contribute to this great nation of ours and it’s ridiculous to say otherwise in bitterness or hatred. When anyone makes a charge of “elitists” they should think what this nation would be without these great scientists, mathmeticians and great thinkers from the great universities.

Yes, the next four years will be fun, abeit in a morbid sort of way. Those who are not writhing in a orgasmic fit of BOmaina will be adding to the long list of observations about the man:
Craven: BO and his love for Ayers, Wright, and Marshall
Corrupt: BO and his love for Rezco and foreign donations
Stupid: 1st press conference reference to 90 year old widow Nancy Reagan and sealed college records
Yes, there will be many many opportunities to observe this weak, effete, Madison avenue creation. But corrupt, craven, and stupid will quickly become his “me and my shadow.”
Can’t wait! Not a monent of peace for
the dolt from Hype, uh Hyde Park.
The loyal opposition…

Republicans are freaking me out! They alternately believe Obama’s a terrorist, socialist, marxist, antichrist. Is this kind of paranoia a mental illness? Or is it just what’s bred in conservative minds when anything that doesn’t fit neatly into their world view comes into play — like a black man being president???? Listen — you are all about to see what it’s like to have an intelligent person lead the country back to prosperity. It’s going to be extremely difficult, because Bush and his friends dug us a huge hole. But, the paranoid out there need to get some treatment and stop thinking that we are now going to become Nazis. What else are you going to try to throw at this man??? Obviously it’s that he’s a space alien, right? I’m very worried about this segment of the population.

What Mr. Broun’s comments tell us is that he, as a supposed representative of the people, does not understand the difference between Marxism and Fascism. Somebody please give the man a dictionary!

Well, if it wasn’t obvious why the Republicans are the minority party before, it should be now. What a joke of a person. I’m embarrassed for my country to know that he represents some of my fellow Americans.

He is off base, because our nations law as written into the constitution, will not allow a president to arbitrarily declare martial law, will not allow him to arbitrarily wield ANY military force against it’s citizens, and restricts the powers of the president by dividing the authorities of the government into three branches. It’s absolutely asinine to try drawing paralells with Germany, or Russia, or any other historical rises of dictatorships, because no nation has ever had the form of government we have, structured as we have. This is ridiculous.
Obama to Congress…
“Er, yeah, I’d like to form a private military force answerable only to me, so I can er, uh, fix problems, yeah”.
Geeeze. Conervatives would do well to spend a little more time on introspection, and less on division and polarization.
Anyone even look into Brouns background? Religious ideology anyone?

Now that the national swooning is winding down, keep a close eye on Uh-Uh-Uhboma and his Marxist cronies once he gets into the Redhouse. He will use executive orders to circumvent the Constitution, justifying their use by the claim of a national crisis or emergency.

“He will use executive orders to circumvent the Constitution, justifying their use by the claim of a national crisis or emergency…”
Isn’t it funny / ironic that Bush already did the exact same thing – remember torture? Guantanamo? Illegal phone taps?

Some people will never understand, until it’s too late…..buy your guns and ammo now. You just might need it when we have to take our country back.

There is much in Obamas past (that was ignored by the press) that suggests he is strongly influenced by Marxism. We can only keep our fingers crossed that he is a pragmatist with an “interest” in Marxism and Creation Theology (which is based on Marxism)rather than a closet revolutionary with an agenda. If the press had done its job we would know which is the truth. Their bias failed us by not pursuing the truth during the election. Now we can only support this President…. And hope we have not just handed over the USA to the extremists of the far left. Pray!

The Cold War ended 17 year ago guys. Even Gorbachev must think you are all insane at this point.

According to Defense news, 7/7/08, Obama defined “civilian security force” as civilians who are helping out the military overseas. The publication quoted Obama as saying:
“I believe we can reconfigure our civilian national-security force. We still have a national security apparatus on the civilian side, in the way the State Department is structured and USAID, that harkens back to the Cold War,” Obama said.
“We need to be able to deploy teams that combine agricultural specialists and engineers and linguists and cultural specialists who are prepared to go into some of the most dangerous areas alongside our military,” he said.

The fundamental question lurking behind this discussion is this:
Do you believe that our American “democracy” (or “republic” if you prefer) –our “system”– will exist forever?
If not, what do you think it will it become?

so………….. let me get this straight
bush derangement syndrome – good
obama derangement syndrome – bad
perhaps we have a case of “what goes around, comes around”.
deal with it you silly libs!!!!

Wow, what a whack job! How can “normal” people believe such idiotic nonsense?

When you get done ripping Broun someone remind me where Broun got that idea in his head.

Barack Obama is a Communitarian, although you will not have heard him use the term during his election campaign. Americans will get a shock when the truth of his hidden agenda becomes known and they find out his real intentions. Bear in mind that Obama is simply a front-man for the New World Order Communitarians.
Communitarians want to create a post-modern, post-democratic feudal society run by a small number of rich and powerful people with everyone else working as peasants. In order to achieve their objectives they must destroy the middle class and the nation state.

I think it is a legitimate concern. The parallels are a little frightening to anyone who was awake in high school history back when they actually taught it. If we think that somehow desparate and dispairing Americans are somehow smarter than desparate and dispairing Germans we are only kidding themselves. Average people did not want what happened there, but they got it anyway in large part because of a large civilian security structure.

Tom said: “The ODS rests with Obama in this case for his lack of candor. It also belongs to those who think he can cure the sick, make the blind see, the deaf hear and the lame leap for joy.”
I agree, a better choice of words and we would have never heard of this. Expectations are very high for this President. I am afraid there are going to be a lot of very unhappy people on the left in one year, because NO President, no matter who they are, can deliver everything they promise during the election.

Paul68, if President-elect Obama WAS talking about AmeriCorp and an Energy Corps then why did he say that this civilian national security force would be “just as powerful, just as strong” as our military? If he was just metaphorically speaking, then he should have said, “metaphorically speaking.” One of the lessons learned from the campaign is that words DO matter. In this particular case, “just as powerful, just as strong” certainly sounds like an armed force. And I am not aware of AmeriCorp currently arming their members.

No one takes this stuff seriously….but that is EXACTLY what can be taken advantage of. Complacency by the General Populace and a willing press. BOTH of which we’ve just seen in the last election. The fact Obama brought it up proves he’s “thinking” about the Civilian force. What would these guys do? I’m sure he’s not thinking of enforcing immigration laws. We already have LAWS and AGENCIES responsible for enforcing those laws, at Federal Level, Local Level, and State Level. He wants an armed Civilian Army that answers to him – the President. Meanwhile using legislation to stop citizen gun ownership. The founders put that in the Constitution just to “prevent” this type of COUP from occurring. All the brainless dull witted morons will wake up when these civilian armies start shutting down bridges and tunnels in every city in every state – and by then there won’t be a darn thing anybody can do about it.

I voted McCain-Palin and I think it’s a valid concern. We need to be very watchful of our government. We all put so much faith into Bush after 9/11 and got a selective use of the Constitution (and misuse or ignoring) and the Iraq War. I believe the surge was the proper coarse of action to clean up the mess made by the neocons, but believe going in was wrong. I hope Obama reverses some of the wrongful and anti-American things Bush has done to America, and he can start by strengthening AmeriCorps or the PeaceCorps, but not creating this “force”.

Rebecca,
Class struggle is at the heart of practicing Marxists. Be reminded of the propaganda that You are the 95% middle class that “I” will help you and They the 5% Rich are the class enemy that you should hate and fight, to vote for “me”.
Progressive taxation is only a symptom. That rhetoric is the true colors of Marxism.

Mike,
Its one thing to not know exactly what the details might entail. Its quite another to make the leap to “may create a security force akin to the Gestapo to impose a Marxist dictatorship”. This statement is being attributed to a congressman. This must be giving the Secret Service great worries. We can thank Palin for stirring up this hysteria. The vast majority of Americans and the world are grateful that we have elected a person who can return honor and hope to what it means to be an American. Unfortunately, we have people like Paul Broun and Michele Bachmann (Palnonites) as loose cannons to stir up people who should know better.

This is ridiculous. Read the speech! Volunteer teachers and Peace Corps members are NOT a secret Nazi paramilitary force.
The point of the entire speech is simply that a strong infrastructure, strong schools, and a strong healthcare system are important to our national security.
Who are the members of this “civilian security force” that you fear so much? Just read the speech:
“… the teacher in East LA, or the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia.”
Do you really, honestly think that a militia of Appalachian nurses is going to break down your door and take your guns?
Do you think that when Obama promises to “double the size of Peace Corps by 2011,” that he will turn them into an armed gestapo? For crying out loud, most of those Peace Corps hippies can’t even fire a gun!
The people in the “civilian security force” are people who contribute to the infrastructure and help improve national security by volunteering, and NOT by using weapons.
Get a grip.

Dave,
Just saying our new President needs to be careful with his words. A year from now his problem will not be what the “Right” is saying about him, it will be what the “Left” is saying.

“Paul68, if President-elect Obama WAS talking about AmeriCorp and an Energy Corps then why did he say that this civilian national security force would be “just as powerful, just as strong” as our military? If he was just metaphorically speaking, then he should have said, “metaphorically speaking.” One of the lessons learned from the campaign is that words DO matter.”
Does power only = military weaponry? Guns? Grenades? Tanks?
Or does power also refer to the strength of people? You know, voting, organizing, acting?
Obama was pretty clear. The problem here, is that bad enough, partisan politics was in full swing, but thanks to some of the ugliest tactics in history, Obama wasn’t just attacked, he was villified. He was painted a traitor, unamerican, not like “us”, and all the rest. And the hardcore necon base swallowed it.
Look at some of the comments. Not just here, but anywhere debate over Obama rages. Anyone defending or supporting Obama is eventually, or outright, painted as foolish, blind, stupid, ignorant.
Which is irony of the highest order. The folks making these attacks, are the same folks who bought without question, and offered their rabid support for Bush’s policies, when the results of those policies were impossible to ignore.
Bush said the economy would grow thanks to his policies, but it went steadily downward, with experts everywhere sounding the alarm.
He LIED about Iraq.
He told us Iraq would be a short war.
He told us they’d love us for going in.
And all of this was BS, and proved itself BS in short order.
And what did neocon supporters do?
Attack and villify anyone who spoke up against Bush policy. Attacked and belittled those damn foolish liberals. By god theyr’e just ignorant, foolish, commies!
And now that republicans lost power?
It’s even worse.
Every remark, every tenuous association, every out of context quote, is an opening for attack.
Again, what does power mean?
The problem is, two words here. Two simple words, that thanks to the rabid blindness of those who have swallowed all the far right “Obama is a Commie” rehtoric, now hold only the most sinister of meaning. He’s a commie, what else could they possibly mean?
“Security Force”.
Primed and ready, stinging from a serious defeat, neocons sieze on these two words and ignore the entirety of the speech. With rage and self righteousness, they take to the blogs, and begin decrying the coming of the Obama SS.
Sure, National security has finally been realized as being more than simply having a big military and beating the bad guys that attack us. Sure it’s finally been realized that our reliance on oil, our inability to secure our ports, our failures to educate our children better than less fortunate countries are all part and parcel of our “national security”.
“But see, Obama’s not one of us. He’s a, a, a , MARXIST!!! He wants to turn us into a Socialist Republic!! Sure we have no proof, but but but, he’s really really liberal, and we all know what that means!! See!!? It’s obvious, and all you liberals are just fools for not believing it too!!”
Tinfoil hat madness if ever there was any.
This “security force”, judging from Obama’s own words, would consist of, me, and you. Everyone.
It would be all of us who so choose, organized, trained, and working together, to fix our schools, our economy, our energy independance, our open ports, our swiss cheese borders.
Properly done, yes. We’d be every bit as powerful as our military.
The problem is not Obama’s choice of words. His biggest fault, is in not realizing just how desperate, how spiteful, how viscious the right was going to become in their defeat.
The fault lies with those, who despite knowing better, despite understanding just how ridiculous the idea of an American president creating a military force of his own is, insist on continuing with the villification.
Obama has not even taken office, and still he is attacked as a Marxist, Commie. Utter lunacy.
The Dems won. Again, introspection would go a whole hell of a lot further towards assuaging republican hurts, than all this ridiculous denial.
Obama doesnt need to be more careful in his words. Folks need to be more rational in their thinking.

Paul68 said:
“Obama doesnt need to be more careful in his words. Folks need to be more rational in their thinking.”
Paul, I prefer a President who IS careful in his choice of words.

What kind of person attacks the newly elected president of his own country?That doesn’t sound like an American to me. It sounds like somebody who wants to destroy America instead, to divide and conquer, to spread rot and disease within.
What kind of person talks about looking forward to 4 years of “payback”? Against whom, against the majority of your fellow countrymen who didn’t vote the way you wanted them to? Who are these who spread the lies, trying to divide us?
It takes courage to be a real American. The fear mongers and sissy pants among us are frightened of our president-elect. American voted for Barack Obama because we are ready for a leader who will be a fair and lawful president to all Americans, not just the “right wing” or the “left wing” or any of that out-dated junk.

Voting percentages in general elections are now fairly static. Obama didn’t convince anyone who needed convincing. He got the usual Democrat reserve of about 48% of voters who would send Tootles the Clown to the White House if he had a D next to his name on the ballot. Team Obama also got out the “I’m pretending to go to college” vote, the homeless vote, the convicted felon vote, the Magic Kingdom vote, the Gay sexworker vote, and the “I want more Mexican Neighbors” vote. Normally these people stay home, but lots of advertising during TV shows for the brain dead paid off. So now we have Mr Hope n’ Change, a microcephalic without a clue what a US President is supposed to do, abuot to move into the White House with his booby wife. I suppose his Chicago Combine pals can hold his hand during the signing sessions, and keep him from falling off his chair.

Paul68 wrote: “Or does power also refer to the strength of people? You know, voting, organizing, acting?”
With all due respect, you might want to review the definition of “metaphorically speaking.” As I mentioned previously, President-elect Obama should have included “metaphorically speaking” if had he meant “voting, organizing, acting” as opposed to weaponry.
Finally, so we must give President-elect Obama a pass on the phrase “just as powerful, just as strong” because it is irrational to think he could possibly mean weaponry? That is the same malarkey that the Left wants us to believe about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s continual threats to destroy Israel.

Isnt that basically the same as the National Guard. I mean the Taliban has spread all across the world. Thanks In Part to Bush and his my way or no way approach to war. Our troops arent coming home anytime soon. And they are fatigued and tired. Why not build up our national guard to help take care of things on the homefront,while they deal with issues abroad.
We now have a president, that so far people actually like around the world,as he repairs the good faith and our image across the globe, our allies will join in on the fight to stop the Taliban once and for all. Taking some of the stress off our troops.
I’m getting so sick of people questioning his methods or his ideas,when they havent even given them a chance to work or fail. Stop being so darn judgemental and throw our 100% support behind our President Elect. This is America and he is our Leader.
Support him,no matter his skin color. Weve had 20 years of white republicans telling us, this is the way things should be done, We have seen how well those ideas have played out. Lets give a new fresh approach a chance to work.
Our country will never be like Nazi Germany.
Our president elect is not going to make white americans slaves.
Black people are not going to run wild, and start attacking you good white folk.
He is not going to take you’re gun rights away from you.
He is not a terriost, he is not trying to destroy the country his own children have a future stake in.
He is not going to take away you’re rights.
Stop being and acting so damn stupid and backwards. And use you’re common sense people. And give him a chance to try and solve our countries issues.
Hey if he fails, He doesnt get elected again in 4 years.

It isn’t the same as the National Guard. The National Guard is generally under the jurisdiction of the individual States. Which brings an interesting question, why doesn’t Obama just expand the Peace Corps, AmeriCorps, and provide more funding of Bush’s Homeland Security and other unfunded mandates to the States?? I really don’t see the need in creating anything new.

I don’t know if Broun is right or not, but he is doing a very patriotic thing by pointing out something that could be unacceptable in a place like America. More people should have stood up to George W. Bush in his strong-arming and Constitutionally questionable practices over the past eight years – not to mention his refusal to stop wasteful spending. I’m a Republican, but think Bush deserves impeachment more than Clinton, Andrew Johnson, or the non-impeached Nixon did.

I will not support corruptocrat Obama. He was elected after the dirtiest presidential campaign in US history, with Team Obama collecting huge hauls of illegal cash, while promising vague hope and change to uninformed voters, and the dangerously partisan press refusing to examine his history, true beliefs, and possible mental deficiencies. There is no doubt that he is supported by a huge creepy cult — many who are elected officials and media celebrities — who are willing to cheat, lie, steal, and denigrate honorable people for their own personal Jesus, but he ain’t my savior and I will happily criticize and ridicule him (he will give us many hilarious opportunities) until he gets escorted off the premises of the White House after the end of his ignominious term.

Laura. You obviously don’t really pay attention to some of the things they call President elect Obama. Calling a US Senator a terrorist. Come on,if he was white do you think people would call him that.
My issue is with people who have already made up there mind that he will be a horrible president,when he hasn’t even took office. You cant criticize a person’s performance,when he hasn’t started performing the job.
Let him do his job,if he fails then criticize him all you want, But IMO people judging and attacking him B4 he takes the job, our only looking at his skin color and relying on there thinking that a person of color is not able to the job that a white man can do.
I mean look,he’s already helping the economy,Since he won office Gun Sales across the south have increased darn near 50 percent. because people are so stupid in believing he is going to take there rights from them. Come on now. Use your common sense People. I’m sure that hard earned money could have went to something more useful than guns.
You can walk this earth blindly,believing that people aren’t racist if you like. Unfortunately I don’t have that much faith in Mankind.

I am sick and tired of everyone making this a Race topic. I for one do not belive everything I read, But The MOST important subject should be *What is best for the people” Our elderly that worked their entire life that now needs health insurance, Our children who need Medical Services, Help for those Young And Old alike who really need it. Not the Addicts or the Ones who want to draw out the benifits just because they dont want to do a days work, and claim disability, that is what got this country in the mess we are in, yes everyone wants to blame the president, but we, us is who elected them in office, so stop blaming each other and start working on what we could do to make our country a better country. If its true what they are saying about our new president, it will all come out in the wash, till then and only then, can we unite and stand as one, but only when all the BS is stopped and the fingerpointing is over and WE THE PEOPLE STAND AS ONE Voice, leave the race thing out of the opinion,I did not vote for Mr Obama not because of his color, But because i felt we needed someone who was older and more expericenced with politics,But both McCain and Obama bashed each other, Why not stay on the issues that should be concerning this country,

So James Danley,
Where are all the WMD that Saddam was ready to give to terrorists making it necessary for an immediate invasion?
Why the Niger yellow cake forgery?
Why the retaliation towards Joe Wilson and Valeria Plame?
Why was Scooter Libby pardoned?
“The fact is that Saddam Hussein did at one time have chemical and biological weapons.”
At one time? At one time this country supported slavery. At one time we were mortal enemies with England.
“We still don’t know what became of the WMDs”
6 months of inspections turned up nothing and yet Bush preceded with the invasion anyway.
And because of that thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are dead.

The Constitution of the United States provides for the smooth transition of power between the various opinions on who shall be in charge of the country. Those who cry gloom and doom over the normal progress of American government are at heart anarchists who want no government at all.
They didn’t get the guy they wanted in office, so now they want to tear it all down. Is that being an American? Or is that helping America’s enemies?
Our next President deserves the consideration and respect of everyone, because he represents the entire country.
If you say the President of the United States does not represent you, you are trying to falsify the voice of the people. You renounce your country, your constitution, and your flag when you spew hatred and discord among us.
As Americans, we tolerate your views, but in my opinion the behavior and comments by the anti-Obama/anti-American faction is a shame and disgrace to the American flag and those brave heroes who have died for its glory.

Oops, they cut off most of the documentation information in your post Virginia.

Rumsfeld met with Saddam, and the two discussed regional issues of mutual interest, shared enmity toward Iran and Syria, and the U.S.’s efforts to find alternative routes to transport Iraq’s oil; its facilities in the Persian Gulf had been shut down by Iran, and Iran’s ally, Syria, had cut off a pipeline that transported Iraqi oil through its territory. Rumsfeld made no reference to chemical weapons, according to detailed notes on the meeting.
The current Bush administration discusses Iraq in starkly moralistic terms to further its goal of persuading a skeptical world that a preemptive and premeditated attack on Iraq could and should be supported as a “just war.” The documents included in this briefing book reflect the realpolitik that determined this country’s policies during the years when Iraq was actually employing chemical weapons. Actual rather than rhetorical opposition to such use was evidently not perceived to serve U.S. interests; instead, the Reagan administration did not deviate from its determination that Iraq was to serve as the instrument to prevent an Iranian victory. Chemical warfare was viewed as a potentially embarrassing public relations problem that complicated efforts to provide assistance. The Iraqi government’s repressive internal policies, though well known to the U.S. government at the time, did not figure at all in the presidential directives that established U.S. policy toward the Iran-Iraq war. The U.S. was concerned with its ability to project military force in the Middle East, and to keep the oil flowing.

Citizen of Chicago – Where waas that attitude when Pres. Bush won? All you libs did was insult and attack him!
We will give Obama the same attitude you libs gave President Bush!!
Obama is against the Constitution! that is his words!
He is against free speech!
He is a Marxist, and we must stand guard!
He already plans on using the White house for political campaigns which is illegal!!

Bush’s approval rating when elected was at about 50%.
Obama’s approval rating immediately after the elections was 68%.
Bush’s highest ratings were at almost 90% for about 4 months after 9/11 and steadily declined since then.
Currently over 70% of Americans disapprove of Bush and his handling of the reigns of power.

Oh, and one more thing.
I will be proudly wearing my new ODS button, LOUD AND PROUD.
And, as libs LOVE to say: I’ll be “speaking truth to power”.

I’m tired of the fear mongering. I’ve had 8 years of people trying to control me with fear. I’m done.
I’ll be vigilant and prepared against abuses of power, but I will not be driven into hysteria by the mere possibility of abuse.
Further, the people spouting this nonsense are part of the anti-intellectual tinfoil hat brigade. I doubt any of them have read Marx or knows what a Marxist actually is and certainly don’t understand history well enough to realize that this situation bears little resemblance to Germany.
No more.

It’s quite possible that at least some of the posts on internet blogs are from hostile groups intent on creating discord and disorder in the United States.
We have a new President, lawfully selected by a vote of the American people. This is a chance for all Americans to renew their patriotic virtues and take part in rebuilding the country.
It takes courage to show your loyalty to America and support your President. If you lack that courage, I have to wonder why you seek to undermine the courage of others. Are you for the United States of America or for some other “homeland”?

You paranoid people make me laugh.
Its so funny to listen to you blather on about how Obama is a marxist etc…good lord…and you were all so quiet when Bush pushed the patriot act on us, which actually did take away our civil liberties.

I share a lot of people’s respect of our Constitution, but it must be remembered that the Constitution of today is very different than the Constitution of 1787. We may not recognize the Constitution of 2087. Constitutional change is brought about in subtle and imperceptible ways; the SCOTUS’ Commerce Clause jurisprudence is an excellent example of this. The use of Executive Orders provides another. It is undeniable that the powers of the federal government have gradually increased over the past several generations, and the Congressman’s concern reflects a legitimate belief that the central government is growing too big for its britches. It is simply an echo of the old, some would say overly simplistic adage “a government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it all away”. Well, a lot of people in this country believe that Obama was elected because many people want a government big enough to give them everything they want. I take no position on whether that is truly the case.
At any rate, I wish to again come to the Congressman’s defense by mentioning the ancient theory of anacyclosis–the idea that some form of monarchy is the natural conclusion of democracy. I would not say that Obama represents this transition. I don’t think he does. But I do say that the Congressman’s comments reflect an ancient belief that is on the lips of many people, a belief as old as democracy itself–that democracy cannot be sustained forever.
To fear the end of democracy is no more a lunatic idea than to advocate democracy.

“Right wingers act like five year olds, too cowardly to even take responsibility for their bile by somehow blaming others for it. ”
Ryan C, then be that awesome dem who stops it. The point still is, that critics against this person who was elected, is called racism. How can you presume that critics is based on race? I’d criticize a white dem,too. You dems and libs tend to proclaim yourself so right about everything, so how come the economy went down when dems took over 2 years ago? Don’t you think Bush just had to deal with the mess Clinton had created in his 8 yrs?

If you have not read the entire speech and understand the context of these “pinched” words I can see how you would be afraid. The almighty context seems to be grossly ignored in this country, in politics, beliefs, social interaction, and education. I cite this article and its comments as proof.
Im all for thoughtful discourse and debates with open eyes and hearts, but the ferocity with which people are grasping onto non-issues created by out of context words is astounding. The use of simplified catch phrases in a discussion whose memes are perhaps twisted or misunderstood in the context of the argument is also not helpful. Extremes of all “sides” have resorted to doing this, creating a lot of what at this point sounds like a lot of infuriatingly useless noise.
In order to change, in order for these discourses to be useful, for the goal of keeping a prosperous democracy, we as a population must independently consider the context of our discourse and in doing so come to our own (hopefully strong but flexible) opinions. This is the foundation of a healthy democracy: diversity of thought, spirit, race, ideology, and values. To not do so and to latch onto the ideas of others without thought but with conviction will lead inevitably toward a situation in which you/we are taken advantage of and dictatorship.
Cutting diversity of thought for simplicity (ala over worked people and a money grubbing media) is a pox of which we have demonstrated remarkably low resistance.

Ryan C,
you still don’t notice the tendency to describe all his critics racists? Look at the comments below. It shows often enough. What I choose to base my critics on does not matter anymore, because even though I base it on his political views, everyone keeps yelling in my face one word – racist.
“Evil Clinton” – no, he’s not the main reason, it’s global this time. All I am saying – look at dems and libs with constructive criticism, not blindly follow them. Dems do have problems with resolving economy issues.
Why straw men argument? Just set us conservative an example.

There is nothing deranged about this. He said that he wants to do something that Americans have always avoided because it is immensely dangerous to liberty.

Wow, how can this guy have any credibility. He bases his entire argument on a comparison to Adolph Hitler, beginning with the fact that Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. In fact, Hitler lost that election.

Ryan C –
“Why the Niger yellow cake forgery?” British Intelligence did not consider that forgery in determining that Saddam Hussein was seeking yellowcake uranium. Their evidence was the fact that Iraq was seeking to reestablish a trade agreement Niger–which by the way, Joe Wilson confirmed. British Intelligence determined that the only purpose for reestablishing trade with Niger would have to be uranium.
“Why the retaliation toward Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame?” In a nutshell — Vice President Cheney heard a report that the Iraqis had been trying to acquire uranium from Niger. In his briefing Cheney asked “What do we know about this?” Later he hears that it was upon his request that Joe Wilson was sent to Niger to confirm this. Knowing that he (Cheney) had not done so, he inquired as to who did request Joe Wilson. It turned out to be Joe Wilson’s wife. Joe Wilson denied this. Cheney wanted the world to know that he did not request Joe Wilson, but that Joe Wilson’s own wife did. NOTE: It was actually Joe Wilson who outed his own wife. In his biography in Who’s Who, it stated that he married “the former Valerie Plame” long before Bob Novak’s article was published.
Joe Wilson came back and wrote his article that stated that Iraq never purchased any yellowcake uranium. But that was not the issue. British Intelligence never claimed they had. The report was that Iraq was SEEKING to purchase yellowcake uranium. BIG DIFFERENCE!
“Why was Scotter Libby pardoned?” HE WASN’T! President Bush commuted his sentence. Again…BIG DIFFERENCE!
“At one time…” Yes, in the 1980s (quite a bit more recent than when we supported slavery and were “mortal enemies” with England) Saddam not only had WMDs but he used them during the Iran-Iraq war and on the Kurds in 1988. The IAEA went in following the 1991 cease fire to rid Iraq of its WMDs, as part of the conditions of the cease fire.
Finally–and for like the third or fourth time–we invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein failed to comply with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire. The UN Security Council gave its final ultimatum after 12 year of diplomatically trying to convince Saddam Hussein to comply. When the UN made it known they had no intention to follow through on the threat, President Bush issued his own final ultimatum. When Saddam Hussein failed to comply, President Bush kept his word.
You can go on and on about the 4,000 plus Americans who lost their lives. Yes it is very sad and tragic that war kills. But had we not invaded; and Saddam Hussein really had WMDs; and had he used them against our allies or had he placed them into the hands of terrorists (whether al Qaeda, Hamas or any other terrorist group) and they used the weapons; you would have been all over President Bush for not doing more.
The bottom line is this: Almost immediately following the invasion of Iraq, Libya ended its WMD programs. And we are now normalizing relations with Libya. It may have taken 5 1/2 years, but Iraq is slowly but surely improving. We shall see how their new elections take place. NOTE: Our own Revolutionary War took eight years!

“Cheney wanted the world to know that he did not request Joe Wilson, but that Joe Wilson’s own wife did. NOTE: It was actually Joe Wilson who outed his own wife.”
1st off Plame did not request Joe Wilson.
2nd, listing his wife’s name is nowhere near the same as calling her an employee of the CIA.
3rd, you’re using Cheney as a source? ROFLMAO

“The bottom line is this: Almost immediately following the invasion of Iraq, Libya ended its WMD programs. And we are now normalizing relations with Libya.”
Considering Libya has not been a threat since we killed Quadaffyi’s daughter during the 80′s, this is kind of funny.
It also ignores Iran & North Korea ramping up their efforts to become nuclear. It ignores the surge in international terrorism that has followed our invasion of Iraq.
“You can go on and on about the 4,000 plus Americans who lost their lives. Yes it is very sad and tragic that war kills. But had we not invaded; and Saddam Hussein really had WMDs; and had he used them against our allies or had he placed them into the hands of terrorists (whether al Qaeda, Hamas or any other terrorist group) and they used the weapons; you would have been all over President Bush for not doing more.”
I love how blithely push aside the deaths of US service men and women, on Veteran’s day of all days
What callous turn of phrase do you have to describe the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis who have died in this war?
All to prop up some insane what if scenario that had ZERO basis in reality.

DeefromTexas, you wrote:
“It is possible that Americans should be concerned about Evangelical churches that are teaching hatred and Nazi beliefs, and promoting individuals such as Palin who purposely promoted aggressive reactions from crowds that attended her hatred filled rallies -similar tactics used by Hitler. Remember…the cries of KILL HIM…”
The only thing Gov. Palin was trying to do was to talk about Sen. Obama’s actual record, as she should do as his political opponent in a democracy. Obama and Democrats also talked negatively of McCain and Republicans. And what she said was no smear. She actually brought up very few of the facts that would have put Obama in a very negative light. He has embraced Marxism his whole life, right up until now. He’s only distanced himself enough from it to get elected, and he needed and got the media’s help to whitewash so much of it. I would certainly be willing to review any and all the instances of Marxism in Obama’s life and provide links demonstrating them. Those who deny these links don’t do extensive research into these questions themselves. That research speaks for itself. I’ve also begun to wonder if saying anything critical or negative about Obama is allowable. If isn’t positive about Obama, is then hate?
On the allegation that “kill him” was yelled about Obama, it’s simply untrue. The media reported it, fed the myth, and then never retracted it. There were two alleged incidents, and the Secret Service found nothing to either one. In the first case, the Secret Service said if anything, the outburst a man was made about Ayers, not Obama. In the second case, the Secret Service said they don’t believe it happened. This is the article that started the controversy: “In Fla., Palin Goes for the Rough Stuff as Audience
Boos Obama,” (Washington Post). These are some that clearly show that neither incident happened: “Milbank: Secret Service hasn’t called,” Politico, “Secret Service says ‘Kill him’ allegation unfounded,” Wilkes-Barre Times Leader, “Secret Service looking into Obama threat at rally,” Newsweek, and
“The Secret Service and the Obama Death Threat,” Newsweek. The very last article actually says that Obama angered the Secret Service by saying (during the last debate, I believe) that “kill him” had been yelled about him at Palin rallies, even though the Secret Service had told him the reports were unfounded.
And the latest media travesty on the false “kill him” allegations has just occurred. Newsweek connected a spike in threats against Obama in September and early October to Palin (“Highlights: Newsweek’s Special Election Project”), even though her remarks about Ayers only began in early October and I can’t find any liberal media reports of “frenzied” rallies before then. Now the UK Telegraph has run a story called, “Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service for death threats against Barack Obama,” based on the Newsweek story. It’s really Newsweek blaming her (without reason), not the Secret Service.

“Good! Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you…Good! Your hate has made you powerful.” Emperor Palpatine to Luke Skywalker

“In God We Trust”, that is our national motto, and a very good one.
Those who choose not to believe in God are equally at home in America, and I say “God bless them, too.”
But what I cannot understand is how someone can claim to believe in God and yet not trust him. Don’t you think God had a part in the election of Barack Obama as President of the United States? Or are you saying, “In God We Don’t Trust”?
God Blesses America and our President-Elect. If you choose to believe otherwise, you are going against the greatest democracy in the world and, what is worse, you are going against God.

Ryan C, so are you going to deny all of the findings of the 9/11 Commission? It was the 9/11 Commission that found that it WAS Joe Wilson’s wife who recommended her husband as the person who should go to Niger.
The issue regarding the outing of Valerie Wilson was the use of her maiden name. That’s because she did her undercover work using the name Valerie Plame.

Clem, you wrote:
“Media bias towards Obama. Nah. It’s more like media recognition of McCain lies. That’s the blowback McCain gets for the half-truths and lies from his negative campaign.”
McCain and his campaign did distort a few things, but it was nothing next to the distortions by Obama, his campaign and the media, including that McCain’s was the “negative campaign.” For example, when Karl Rove said both campaigns had been less than completely truthful, the Obama campaign alerted the media that “even Karl Rove” said McCain wasn’t being truthful (what about him saying the same about Obama?) and many in the media reported it (CNN and Time’s Joe Klein, to name just two) just as the Obama campaign spun it. If that isn’t a half-truth, I don’t know what is.

Ryan C., I did not “blithely push aside” the deaths of our US service men and women. In fact, in an earlier comment I thanked ALL of the men and women who have served our country. And I acknowledge that so many sacrificed their lives or limbs so that we can enjoy the Freedom of Speech that we exercise here on this blog every day.
Sadly a little known fact is that more of our military personnel have lost their lives here at home in the past 5 1/2 years than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Uhh, do any of y’all actually look at what the Obama-Biden website says about this civilian force you are all so worried about?
Create a Civilian Assistance Corps (CAC): [sic] national CAC of 25,000 personnel…with special skill sets (doctors, lawyers, engineers, city planners, agriculture specialists, police, etc.)…to provide each federal agency with a pool of volunteer experts willing to deploy in times of need… (edited by me for brevity)
Doctors, lawyers, engineers, city planners, ag specialists, aren’t exactly brownshirts. Somehow I don’t see the EPA leading us into Red Dawn…

“Ryan C, so are you going to deny all of the findings of the 9/11 Commission? It was the 9/11 Commission that found that it WAS Joe Wilson’s wife who recommended her husband as the person who should go to Niger”
Hmmmm your last post put that she requested Wilson even implying that she had assigned Wilson.
Now we are reduced to a recommendation.
Walking back the lie.

Ryan:
Heh. I think you are actually right. Once you get down to it, the candidates are Hobbes’ “leviathans” of their respective “sides” and we usually end up getting someone with pretty mixed “ideologies…”
I think the annoying thing about any political faction (and republicans are particularly, though not exclusively, prone to this) is that it tends to create and advertise an approach that it demands be adhered to 100% of the time. In practice, this is impossible.
Examples: why, if Bush and other republicans were such small government types, they would abolish all federal aid for schools and financial aid (even gov loans) for colleges, not out of animosity, but in keeping with the low taxes, low expenditures philosophy…kind of hard to do that in reality. I know that would have kept me out of school for sure…
Example on the other side (you know I have to)…: why, if health care is a “right,” Obama and democrats would just call for employers to provide a certain level of health care, or pay for it thru a single payer system, or whatever…but we won’t see that, most likely…
What keeps them in check is fear of screwing it up so badly that they lose support at the next go.
The good thing is that enough beefing on both sides keeps the ideologues from getting the crib AND the bottle AND the toys at the same time, I guess.
So we get a mushy middle country after all this campaigning…is that so wrong? :-)…the downside is noone is ever completely satisfied…maybe that is the upside, too.

Ryan:
I know! That little puny Madison (i his mid-thirties at drafting time, I think, wow!)
…hey, you know he was mad that he lost an election against a bartender who was really popular, I think…something I remember from a lecture somewhere.
So he set the Constitution up so no one faction could ever dominate for an extended period…yadda yadda.

I forgot one important category…in the act of heroism here at home. I am reminded of the Marine who had only been home for a couple of weeks and lost his life in an attempt to save his son from drowning.

Broun is now expressing “regret” for calling Obama Marxist, and comparing him to Hitler. Stating, “He didn’t mean it” He’s sorry it sounded that way”. LOL You’ll have to look it up, since they wont allow linking here. Google news gives good returns just by searching on “Broun”.
Why does this seem to be a common recurring theme among conservatives? HIlarious. This guy, after repeat failed attempts at office, finally gets in, then gets a lucky break and survives this year, and now cleanly shoots himself in the foot. No wonder the repubs are in such bad shape.
Listen to all these nuts on here going off about this, flipping out over the coming Obama SS, and now the guy who started it, who they rallied behind is apologizing and saying he didn’t mean it like that at all. Sorry, can’t help it, but,,….. BWAHAHAHAHAHAH…..

All of a sudden, the comments die. ;)