Hillary for State: The Big Sticking Point

George I think the deal is done…
except for this. You are dead on with this…
SOS is the best place for her
and the best place for the country for her.
The question is is it worth more to them in pure patriotism, value of saving the world’s direction that we are on and being on this timely specific team that has that task at this crossroads and whether Bill wants to reveal how much went to the library to honor him…and how much went to the initiative that he has given to the world.
and there lies the rub for and about Bill Clinton…
the library…his income…and everything he has done for the world.
It’s the 1997 question all over again.

After all the attacks, snipes, and slams on the Clintons over the past several years while simulatenously turning a blind eye to much more egregious and outrageous behavior by the Bush/Cheney gang and now you want us to take you seriously? Where’s the rofl hysterically icon when you need it?

LOVE OF COUNTRY/LOVE OF HILLARY………….. Whatever anyone may think of HRC, SHE LOVES HER COUNTRY. From a young woman, she has never faltered from that. The bottom line here is that we had a 2 year campaign and that’s a lot of time to sling mud, and mud was slung. But he election is now over, we have President-Elect Barack Obama. He won because he is brilliant, he rose above everything that was thrown his way, he stuck to the issues and came out the winner. HRC was never far behind him. If we think back many of their speeches we will recall what they want for our country are the same things. Middle Class America was on top of both their lists . While many may say she did not immediately get up and get on the trail for Barack and find fault with that, I think in the same position we all would have needed some space to re-group. Once the dust settled she was able to get out there and campaign as she always does, with her all. As far as SOS, just as we trusted and elected Barack Obama, we must trust his choice of the people he puts at his side. Yes we want change, but there are positions in the administration that require experience or the change will never come about. HRC has a lot to offer, she can look back to the times mistakes were made and offer suggestions for a better way. In the end we must never lose sight of who the boss is, President-Elect Barack Obama. One thing we should not allow to happen, in party fighting. The Republicans do enough of that for the entire country. We want peace not war and while we may not always agree, we do agree to disagree. We should all be putting our energy into a new energy plan not using it up picking apart fellow supporters. One thing I do know, who ever President-Elect Barack Obama chooses for his staff positions, I will respect his choices. I, personally admire HRC but many do not and that’s ok. We all do not have to have the same opinion but we all should find a way to work together and keep America the great country she is. President-Elect Barack Obama won the election because he had the know how to see the long term problems and their solutions so I certainly trust him to put only the best and most qualified by his side. Marilyn from Florida

it is all good.

I’m a centrist. I voted for Obama. I am sick of the Clintons – I reserve that right. In one fell swoop Obama will – I believe – anger a large portion of the country by appointing Hillary. I don’t think Bush/Cheney could have screwed it any more if they tried, but I just want the Clintons to go away. If I hear one more person trumpet their brilliance I’m going blow pies. If they were so brilliant why do they get caught constantly lying – both of them. Why should a world diplomat trust a person who looks at him in the eye, but has a record of lying with fluid ease.

Please, who really cares about any appearances or perceived conflicts of interest. In fact I can’t believe this is even being brought up especially when one considers the fact that the Bush Administration has been getting away with “bloody murder” for almost 8 years running! Whatever direction Obama chooses in regards to selecting his Cabinet will be a positive step towards restoring a long forgotten value known as “integrity.”

Figuring out how to release or control the release of such information is a piece of cake compared to the situations she’ll face as secretary of state. The job is most likely hers – and they are just going through a final vetting process. Bill will ultimately help more than hurt.

I think she should go for it. We need somebody tough, but diplomatic at the same time.

Is Obama mad? There is NO good reason to put Clinton at State.
Clinton at State? Or ‘parallel’ government?
Barack Obama is one of America’s shrewdest political leaders, but is he not risking his Presidency if he appoints Diva Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State?
Senator Clinton lost the Democratic primary to Obama. Anticipating a victory, many New York Democrats had been lining up to inherit her Senate seat. Since none expects Clinton could mount another Presidential campaign, they are pressuring President-Elect Obama to find a suitable government slot for Clinton.
Her Senate career is stalled as no Junior Senator gets powerful committees or subcommittees to chair. Nor is there a vacancy for Senate Majority Leader or Deputy.
Senior Senator Edward Kennedy (MA) has sponsored Universal Healthcare initiatives during his long career and intends to promote his own bill with the President-Elect’s support. Despite Healthcare being Clinton’s career hallmark, she is out of the power loop on this legislation.
Her best move would be to become Health and Human Services Secretary, a senior Cabinet position in the Obama Administration, where she can shape government’s delivery on Kennedy’s bill. There is already a management setup for Medicare and Medicaid that could compensate for her lack of executive and line-management experience.
This is the best opportunity to guarantee her a much-deserved political legacy.
On the other hand, Secretary of State is a much more visible, glamorous and prestigious option for both Clinton and her husband, former President William Clinton.
The problem for the Clintons is that the job is to carry out policy decisions of the President (with considerable input from his foreign-policy expert Vice President Joseph Biden).
It is not their own ‘parallel’ government. Nor can the President permit them to set up one.
Leaks from Obama-Clinton discussions indicate Clinton is demanding controls over policy as well as input in the choices of Secretary of Defense, NSA and CIA heads, etc.
If these leaks are true, Senator Clinton may be trying to negotiate maximum power for herself in advance–deliberately ignoring that she would only serve at the President’s pleasure.
Giving her the kind of power she is asking for would set a dangerous precedent and would threaten the Executive Office with a nuisance at best and a rival administration in foreign affairs at worst.
Many foreign heads of state have made it clear that they are anxious for a ‘new start’ with America and want to meet with Obama personally.
For now, this new President has universal goodwill and trust among our allies and must take advantage of all opportunities to re-establish America’s prestige. He cannot afford American rivals (who could be played to mischievous advantage) or mixed messages.
President-Elect Obama ran for office promising enlightened, pragmatic, bipartisan policies that would scrap President Bush’s belligerent neocon foreign policy and Friedman supply-side economics (Reaganomics).
What signal does Obama send to America and the rest of the world when he chooses a neoliberal Democrat, who has a globalist husband with many business conflicts of interests, to head up the State Department as America’s foreign policy face?
The demoralized State Department needs a proven professional with executive experience and line-management experience to reorganize it and its international outposts.
It needs a leader who understands its function and makes maximum use of the exceptional talents of its expert employees.
Our country needs a Secretary of State who is the Spokesperson for us citizens and our elected Executives not someone jockeying for Presidential power.
The job requires more than being a former First Lady, a former Junior Senator and a former Presidential candidate who is well traveled and has met many heads of state. It is not a job for a Diva.
It requires selfless service to the policies of the President and the Country.

jburke has it right, Bill will help more than hurt. Hillary is brilliant, hardworking, tough and loyal. Obama would be lucky to have her on his team.

obama is very selfconfident, as we can see from our window in Belgium, but I hope this is not hubris. If he can manage to reign over the Clinton Dynasty in his own house, than he sure is as great as I dreamt he could be.

I still don’t think SOS is right for her. She’s too much of a hard-ass for that position. She should be the AG.

Hey, you Hillary-die-hards, how does it feel to know that you are melting away to irrelevance. Hillary won’t get squat. The Clintons are a couple of political Rasputins whose time is up. They both make me ill.
Posted by: Michael | Nov 16, 2008 10:06:44 AM
I hope you have to eat your words. The Clinton’s are both respected overseas.It’s just you Clinton and GOP haters who think it isn’t a good idea.

Have any of you taken a look at the “Work for Obama” job application? I don’t think Hillary will qualify for any job in his administration, based upon the questions asked on that application. But then, NOBODY could qualify! Obama himself has not submitted to We The People the information he requests on this app. This is shaping up to be the most paranoid, deceitful administration ever inthe history of the USA.

The only solution: divorce!

she needs to go away….folks don’t want to remember her or her admin…”the blow job” presidential years….
Posted by: richard | Nov 16, 2008 10:28:51 AM
Newsflash, it wasn’t her administration. She was never President.
Only twits like you keep bringing that up.

Another term for the Clintons in the W.H. Now there’s change we need. Not to mention: how many times did Hillary get caught with her hand in the cookie jar, aka lying, during the primaries. Is there anyone of lower moral character and less integrity? Loves her country? Please, she loves the power and the spot light, period. So much for Change that all the Obama sheep were celebrating. What a big surprise.
Posted by: Don | Nov 16, 2008 10:31:58 AM
I can think of two people McCain and Palin the way they acted during the election.

Conflict of ineterst – give me a break. That only concerns the press when it involves the GOP.
All Hillary has to do is hide all the paperwork again and say she never knew what Bill was doing proven by what happened during the Clinton Presidency.

She would be a fool to take the job. It weakens her politically. She would have to serve at Obama’s lesiure. He can fire her at any time. She would also lose her political cloout as a senator, thereby removing her from everyday politics. Secretary of State also has little real power. All treaties and foreign agreements require approval. She would just be a figure head. Sure she would present a positive image, but politically it would be suicide for her.

With Bill’s help, Hillary will surely sneak into WH to pick up the telephone at Omaba’s bed room at 3 a.m.!
Please honor the voters’ will, Mr.Obama!

If an individual wants to do real good to the society, he or she need not necessarily enter government. That individual can do much more by being outside the government (an with all the corrosion of ideals and corruption that inevitably follow). No matter what ideals an individual has, the moment he or she enters the government service (elected or non-elected) the system is corrosive and corrupts such any and all individuals. No one is immune from this ill effect. So, Hillary, here is your real choice. Spurn the idea of entering government as an underling of some boss, and then sacrifing your own ideals; instead, do some real service to public, society, nation by staying outside the evil power structure. You can reform the current rotten health system by being an outside advocate. Just meeting some heads of other countries is not going to elevate your soul to higher levels. Work for the poor, but no charity to the undeserved. Giving a helping hand and let those on the ground learn how to get up, walk, and then run. No unlimited welfare schemes for generations of families.

Not everyone identifies themselves as a Republican or a Democrat. Some of us are just American Citizens with some common sense and the courage to use it.
Posted by: Don | Nov 16, 2008 10:49:35 AM
I hope you are not saying you have common sense. From your posts that is very debatable.

It is correct that Hillary is not ready for SOS.
Have a bilingual former UN ambassador like Richardson, or a completely new SOS who grew up as a career diplomat, who knows both the Asia and the Middle East Bureaus well.
Susan Rice is out there as are many other qualified women to take on this strategic role.

Who’s afraid of Bill Clinton? I don’t think Barack is. Barack Obama knows better. Barack Obama is better served by constructive critics rather than flatters like John Kerry and Bill Richardson.

The best job for Hillary to serve in Obama’s new regime would be to serve as a white house cleaning staff member. I think she could actually perform this duty if her functions were limited to cleaning out Michelle’s and her kids commodes. She has excellent qualifications for this as she backed Slick Willy by doing nothing when he was sampling his Monica Cubans when he was suppose to be watching the terrorist buildup.

Well “change” apparently didn’t mean getting rid of some Washington insiders.

Nearly all Republicans i’ve spoken with think that Hillary is a great and logical choice for Secretary of State (and no one was under any illusions that the choice would be anyone else). The only question left is how long is the media going to harp on the Clintons now.

When will people stop attacking President Clinton? He is over in Africa trying to ease the pain of the wars. I don’t see anybody else there. Hillary??!!!Will take the job??!! YYYAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAYYYY!!!!!!!YYYYYAAAAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn’t trudt Hillary in the White House again without taking out a Lloyds of London policy on the furnishings.

President elect Obama, has many people working on this decision. He has a questionaire for applicants for which he could not even pass- so why worry about HRC- she will be vetted if he really wants her in this position- May I remind the group that he did meet in a private conversation with Bill, at that time; was the discussion about ” If you campaign for me – I will do this for your wife!” Come on America- Good Old Boy politics are still happening.

OK, I’m finally convinced that Hillary should take the job. She can’t go wrong. This is a better second place outcome than the U.S. Senate, where she would be condemned to Obama’s shadows. At least she will be out front, and come 8 years from now there will be absolutely no question as to her experience credentials for the Presidency. You Republicans can scream all you want, but Bush left such conditions that we may be able to lock you out for at least the next 16 years. WooHoo.

Hey foxisms,
Did it ever occur to you that Hillary has enough backers in the U.S. Senate to control the outcome of any Obama legislation. She has sway over a sizable chunk of the Democratic vote. Either way Hillary is not going to disappear. You people that somehow think it was a runaway primary are doomed to suffer from you misinterpretations. Hillary got 50 per cent of that vote, and many Senators still back her over Obama. Get used to it.

Does anyone find it disturbing that ABC has chosen Clinton’s senior adviser and communications director as its senior Washington correspondent? It is crystal clear that Stephanopoulos is still active in the Democratic party, so why would ABC retain him for the senior slot? Apparently, objectivity in reporting is not important at ABC.

WestCoastMessanger, cool it down again, this is not about votes for Hillary, this is not about future negotiations in the senate, but the willingness from Hillary and Obama to work together, that is what both have demonstrated since the end of primaries. So we know that Hillary and Obama want to work together and that Obama wants Hillary in his administration and that is what they are trying to achieve here and to further strengthen and unite the democratic party. Please remember that Hillary and Obama are very good friends. Let us remain positive, because we have two great americans, two good people, two inteligent people who love their country and who want to form a team to work together to improve life of Americans. That is wonderful.

Thanks for this article and the very insightful observations therein! Voters do expect their Senators to require full and accurate disclosure of both financial interests and potential conflicts of interest on the part of every prospective Cabinet member prior to approval. Our nation’s commitment to open government requires adherence to this standard.

OH god, is nothing sacred?
The Clinton Foundation has done great things all around the U.S. and the world. There is no financial interest here. One thing is for sure THE CLINTONS HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY (100 million) OF THERE OWN. SHE DOESN’T CARE ABOUT TAKING HIV DRUG FUNDS FOR HERSELF.
And why not appoint Hillary? Obama and Hill both said during the campaign their veiws were almost identical and agreed on 99% of the issues. Obama needs a right hand (Biden) and left Hand (Hillary) that agree with his policies but give him some Washington clout and ability to get things done. Sounds like a great team to me.

The fact that stong feelings are evinced, both pro and con, at the suggestion of Senator Clinton’s appointment as Secretary of State calls into question her suitability as the nation’s top diplomat. I don’t recall many former Secretaries of State invoking this kind of passionate debate.

Hilary Clinton = Mady Albright lite.
Albright was the worst Secy of State appointed in my lifetime. She was arrogant, jingoistic, confrontational and driven by a personal agenda… everything a Statesman should not be. Hilary was right behind her, pushing for the Serbia bombing campaign that almost precipitated a serious international confrontation and accomplished nothing except killing innocent civilians.

WestCoastMessenger…you read way more into my post than I said or had to say. Way too sensitive for the observations I proposed. Did you get flayed over the weekend or what? Of course HC was a genuine contender in the primaries. Of course she wields considerable power in the Senate. Still there are other positions she could fill stateside that would put that influence to work on members of congress. We needn’t have her promoting her own pet foreign relations projects. And if you think Kissinger’s endorsement is something to cherish…guess again. Behind the scenes Kissinger was hardly a friend to the policies that would best benefit the United States and it’s people. Look it up if you think I’m just spinning yarns here.

After all the attacks, snipes, and slams on Bush/Cheney over the past several years while simulatenously turning a blind eye to much more egregious and outrageous behavior by the Clintons and now you want us to take you seriously? Where’s the rofl hysterically icon when you need it?

Hillary clinton is a lying thief as are all politicians. Obama is black, so somehow that will make him different.
Yeah, right! He will be like Jimmy Carter when Americans realize he is all talk. He is one of the worst to come down the track in a while. The independents will see the light and will run him out of DC after he screws away the next 4 years! No more lefties..

Lots of hypocrites….. the press has been bashing Bush for 8 years for not telling all…… but they appear to want to give the Queen a pass and let her and her hubby hide their financial dealings……….such blatant bias… hummmmmm

MICHAEL UR A JACK ASS CLINTONS KEEP OUR COUNTRY SAFE AND SOLVENT FOR 8YEARS.NOW YOU TURN ON THEM. HOW OLD ARE YOU 12.

“The proof of the pudding is in the eating.”
Cervantes

I cant WAIT to call her Mrs. Sec Of State, and in 2016, Madam President…I think she would be awesome as president in 8 years. I think she would have been an awesome one this time, but I can wait. As long as I never have to lose sleep over thinking palin might be in there, I am happy!

Has anyone who’s promoting HRC for State thought that as a senator she may be able to do more for America and its new leadership than if she were appointed Secretary of State? No matter what part she may be called upon to play in the new administration, there would always be Bill. I liked Bill while he was President because, over all, he administered this nation well; however, his blatant womanizing was a huge lapse of judgment, damaging to his family and to the country. Even if the Clintons find a way to disentangle Bill’s foundation and its donors from tainting an appointment as Sec’ty of State for HIllary, I don’t believe Bill Clinton could restrain himself from inserting himself as a de facto “backseat driver” in both the Obama administration and the State Department. He’s the albatross around Hillary’s neck in the political arena.

no george (you obama ass-taster), she doesn’t want the job.

Please offer this job to Condy RICE who
has the experience and admiration of foreign governments and does not have the
scandals and business dealings problems of
the Clintons.

It does not matter if you like Bill Clinton or not, he was an enormously popular president around the world. Hillary knows and has a history with modt of the leaders and will be welcomed by them. This is the fastest way to get us back on track and regain our footing. While I was not an Obama supporter I applaud this choice.

Leonidads: Let me go on record to advise you that the Clinton’s never associated with terrorists and racist people like Obama with Ayers, Farrakhan, Wright, Father P and Rezko. Need I say more. Obama has a bad background and its people like you that seen beyond that to vote for him. No candidate ever had a background like that and no other candidate needed to train for the white house.

JPM: What makes you think he’s calling the shots. Why do you think he wants Clinton’s people. They are more experienced than he is and they are the ones that will be training him and advising him on what to do and not do. Obama doesn’t have the knowledge to run this country only to choose his cabinet. It and its not going to go well if Obama keeps in touch with Hamas because Emanuel is Jewish and he doesn’t like Hamas. Its not going to be a happy family.

Kimberly: You will be losing sleep because Palin is planning on running. And it will all start after this year is over. That’s why the meetings were held in Miami to get the republican’s back on track. Obama may not get a second term. It all depends what republican is running and if all the republican’s come out to vote and not cross over.

To see what the Clintons truly are in your computer look up Vinvent Foster death in your computer and you will see vry strong implications that the Foster death was orded by the Clintons along with a strong implication that the
Clintons arranged the death of about 30 political oponents of them back in their home stat, i believe it is in Arkansas

I am an Independent who switched to Democrat just to vote for Obama in the PA primaries. I wouldn’t have done that for Hillary. I don’t like Hillary and I am not fond of slick Willy. With Podesta as the head of the transition team and talk about Hillary, this is really looking like a Clinton admin. I am not very happy. I am sure George and all of you mainstream Democrats are in your glory, but you need to understand that that there are lots of people out there who voted for Obama who does not like Hillary. Besides, Gov Richardson is perfect for the Sec of State job. He has been grooming himself for the job since he was 18 and majored in Foreign Affairs at Tufts University. He was UN Ambassador, Peace Negotiator with hostile governments for two different Presidents, Energy Secretary, Congressman, Gov of a border state,; I mean, for god sakes, what do you want. If someone wants to give Hillary a job because she helped out in the campaign, let her have the UN Ambassador position. I think most people would be ok with that. Why do you have to go and spoil everything by giving her a job that she does not deserve or is right for? Giving Hillary the UN job would be perfect for the Clintons. They could stay in New York City all of the time where they are mostly liked and appreciated, and she would be probably be good at the job, and she would be getting some good foreign policy experience as well. This is not fair to Bill Richardson and to all of those people who voted for Obama thinking that his administration would be a complete break away from both the Clintons and the Bushs’, and the politics of the past. This is not a good sign for people who are truly Independent minded and truly progressive. This is not good.

This really stinks, Obama runs on the idea of “Change” and then once he is in office he starts considering Hillary or one of the Clintons. If I knew this before hand I would have never given Obama my vote, considering there are many things I already dislike about the democratic party. Sounds more like the same change from the Clinton era.

Jen: What Obama policies are you talking about. He doesn’t have any policies yet. What he says and what he does are two different things plus I am not depending on his promises. I didn’t vote for him and I am not sorry. And I didn’t like his associates. This generation of college students would vote for Obama even if he had a record. They aren’t concerned about this country, they are too caught up with drugs and booze according to the news.

Susan-you are exactly the type of stupid bitch that makes it difficult on women, why is she a Diva? do you use this term to identify male politicians. I don’t want Hillary to take the job for far different reasons than you do, but it always seems to be women that take these extremes. Your argument is not valid because she has more experience than the President Elect, so if we go with what you say. Obama should not be President, because he has absolutely no Foreign Policy experience or Executive experience, so you need to rethink your argument. I hope she does turn it down because she should stay as far away as possible from this sinking ship. Let Richardson or Kerry do the job, they supported him so they deserve to tank with him and get tossed under the bus along with everyone else that he steps on to make himself look good.

WITH REGARD TO THESE POSTS. ONCE AGAIN THE MENTALITY OF SOME OF THESE “ALIAS” NEED A GOOD SHRINK ALONG WITH A PUNCH IN THE MOUTH. NOW TO BE OBJECTIVE, “GEORGE” LOST ALL CREDABILITY WITH ME, DURING THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. HE WAS SELF SERVING AND EGOTISTICAL. WHAT WAS ONCE A CLASS ACT IS NOW NOTHING MORE THAN A CRASS ACT.

Jenny,
Like I said, any twit could have figured out that Obama would find a spot for Hillary in his Adminstration. She did get 18 million votes in the primaries. This woman is no dummy. I believe both of them have the country’s best interests in mind. We need somebody who will be diplomatic but firm and I see Hillary as having that attribute.

If it takes spending on public works and protecting our insustrial base to pull out of the recession. We should.
Let those who oppose the stimulus plan show us another way. They don’t have one! Goodbye, Republican party if the oppose these measures. You’re back to your minority nay saying. Republicans had their chance to steer a new direction and they did not do their job.

No – No- No – not HRC for SOS. We rejected her once.
Bill Richardson is the best choice. Outstanding resume.

No way. She can’t do it. She is not a good candidate. And no she is far from having experience in this area. WHy would obama want her on his team anyways?

Can someone explain to me how George W Bush received two terms for the presidency? As one foreigner explained me that it was an experiment by Americans to see how a dumb person would function as president..America has been the laughing stock of the world for eight years but when American elected Barack Obama the world took note stood up and applaud..At last! At last! we have elected an intelligent,smart,articulate,bright person to be the leader of the free world..Hillary is also very intelligent,smart,articulate, and bright and when she and Obama speak we Americans can be proud again..when Bush speak I feel so sorry for him I get a headache..the guy has a problem putting a sentence together..that was our president for eight years…Heaven help us all…Go Hillary! you make me proud! God bless Obama and Hillary and God bless America!

My comment, I wouldn’t turn my back on George Stephanpoulos, what a BACK stabber..he’d do anything to keep his job,,
You are crummy..

No wonder Hillary got behind Obama when she was going to fight him tooth and nail for the Democratic nomination for president – she was promised a position. Like others have pointed out, where is the so-called “change” that Obama preached when he is hiring much of the Clinton staff/associations? He must not have much confidence in himself if he believes they have the answers. My hope has certainly diminished.

If Hillary won what cabinet post would Obama be qualified for?

I believe that the deal was offered when he visited her after she lost. Its a bad omen – women shouldn’t be in the cabinet – especially Hillary. Feminist’s goals are to tear down not build up- to bring in the new world order. Will Bill and Hillary’s secrets be revealed?

Leonidads,
Eat sh!t and die !!

If Bill Clinton’s years were years of prosperity..he balanced the budget and left us with a surplus..why is it not wise on Obama’s part to use some of Clinton’s men/women. I think that is a wise move on Obama’s part. When Obama talked change during the campaign I interpreted that as getting rid of the Republicans and their stupid policies and replacing it with commonsense policies

Stanley,
Unfortunately you won’t get half the nitwits to understand that. I agree with you. I am glad he is using some of the Clinton people.

I see Peppertone is back making ignorant comments. Someone already picked up on her ignoring Obama’s stated policies. The comparison of Hillary to Condi is equally ridiculous. Rice is a renown scholar and expert on Russian affairs and several other aspects of world history. Plus, she is now a seasoned diplomat. This peppertone woman must get all her information from right-wing radio. You can tell by the shallowness and the insistance on repeating things that are proven. To those types BO is untruthful unless he confirms the lies that Hannity has spread on behalf of the GOP. An example is the Ayers affair. Ayers himself spoke out yesterday and detailed exactly how slight their association has always been. Throwing the word “associated” around is simply part of the guilt by association brain washing.The Clintons and especially the Bushes did indeed associate with racists in the person of Jesse Helms, who like Ayers, never apologized for trying to maintain American aparthied. As far as that goes, the entire Republican is guilty for associating with racists. i’ve said it before and now again. You can always count on real bigots to have double standards. That’s one of their most telling traits. peppertone has it in spades and keeps us abrest of how the others think. I guess the truth isn’t good enough for the bigots who must find something; anything about which to speak ill of BO about.

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Hillary just needs to go home. Get the hell out of washington. Kinda like Liddy Dole can now go home and take care of ole Bob. I am really sick of the Clintons and I’m Joe the Plumber. Just say “NO” to the Clintons. NO! Go home Hillary, cook some eggs, bacon and grits for Billy Bob and see if you can keep him down on the farm…..way out of sight. Please. Hillary would love to be Prime Minister too!

I will be happy with any excuse for not having Hillary as SoS.

I really hope that Obama does NOT appoint HRC Sec. of State. I liked her at first until all the lies started and a deceptive person is not who we want dealing with heads of other countries. She is not trustworthy and I still think ol’ lying Bill has too much to say. Best they stay away from the White House lest they think they still belong there. Aaaarrrggghhh.

NO HIllARY!

The purpose of the Secretary of State is to deal with foreign leaders on behalf of the President. In order to do that she would have to take orders from the President. Every Secretary of State is required to do so. That’s the job. Hillary Clinton never took orders from anyone in her life and I don’t think she is willing to acquire the skill. … At least Obama might appoint an American to the job. The last Democratic President had a habit of appointing foreigners to key positions like Secretary of State and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

Are Obama supporters questioning Obama’s judgement already? He already has a bunch of Clintonites around him so why not the real deal? I actually trust Obama’s judgement on his potentially naming Hillary as Secretary of State, i think he would be making a wise choice.

I gave plenty of money to Hillary. Unfortunately she underestimated Obama. She had to go all out to win, but did not understand that until it was too late. It is desapointing to see such a seasoned politician being outsmarted by a rookie. The truth is Obama hired the right people to run his campaign. They kept a cohesive approach until the end, while Hillary’s crews were fighting each other. Regardless, she’ll be great as Secretary of State.

I don’t think there’s really much disagreement among 90% of the public that Hillary is the perfect choice. These message boards make it seem like there’s some big argument but there isn’t. Hillary will make a great Secretary of State, a very prestigious position of power.

sansy Hopefully Obama will turn this Country around and it in great part will have to do with some of the choices he makes today in regards to his cabinet and whom he opts to listen to now and in the future. He has said he wants the most qualified and competent people around him and he wants people around him who will challenge and Clinton certainly fits the bill on all counts. I would assume you in part supported Obama because you trusted his judgement, so trust it.

Americans are crazy !!!! At least 80% are plain stupid …the whole world knows that ….

“A former first lady with not even two completed terms in the senate ( even less than that if you deduct all the time she has spent away from the senate comaigning ) is now going to be in charge of our country’s foreign affairs? I guess anyone could do that job.” *snicker* Sounds like you’re describing Barky himself! Except…not even ONE completed terms in the senate and he’s going to be in charge of our country?! We live in interesting times.

Posted by: Sharon | Nov 17, 2008 1:03:08 AM
Are you bitter? Seems like you have a bit of anger bottled up there about Grandpa and Ellie Mae losing.

Clinton is up?? HHOOORRAAYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well all good people our national nightmare is almost over with Bush. I said it in 2001 and ill say it again, Bush will go down in history as Americas worst president.
As Bush Sr pointed out years ago, that George was not bright enough to be called son.
Posted by: bubbabear200 | Nov 17, 2008 1:44:56 AM
It can’t come soon enough!

“I don’t think there’s really much disagreement among 90% of the public that Hillary is the perfect choice.”
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An absurd statement.

Hillary will be OK as SS. But Bill Clinton will always be a problem to her.
Bill Clinton did a lot of damage to her election. Good Luck Obama, you are going to need it with these two again.

What a circus act this presidency is turning out to be.

Hillary should have been elected President. Well, she was not. So lets move on.

It is my feeling that the United States now needs to become ‘true neutral’ as a country and if we all believe in equal rights for all citizens its the only thing we can do. We need to take the stance of countries like Holland or Switzerland or even Canada? Those are progressive countries. The USA is on a downward spiral but its not too late to change things. Why dont we adopt the government practices of progressives countries whos governments are working like Canada, Holland, Switzerland etc? Those countries all have higher standing in the world than we do. Why not try and do whats working for other countries? Could it be much worse than whats going on now? The USA has not been progressive or the best at anything for many years. You’ve got to admit the United States of Canada or United States of Holland sounds better than the United States of Cuba where no one can afford a new car!

There are too many Clinton people glomming around Obama, and the worst of all would be the Clintons themselves. They’ve got a whole gigantic political machine of their own, and they, the Clintons that is, do not play second fiddle to anyone. I wouldn’t trust Hillary, but at least she’s a disciplined person who can fit into a big picture (if only in the service of her own ambitions). But Bill–who’d always be lurking somewhere in that picture–is “The Big Dog,” unleashable, the quintessential loose cannon. Fine if he’s the president, if he’s setting the agenda, but if not, not.

Hillary is very smart, energetic, durable, and a great worker. I just don’t think she–and more especially, Bill–can submit to second-tier status. Plus, for all their positioning at the (more accurately, A) center position, politically, the Clintons are polarizing figures. One fiercely partisan figure on staff–Raum Emanuel–is just about one too many. I would like to see Obama appoint more folks from outside his party than we usually see with incoming presidents. Chuck Hagel at S.o.S. would be a better appointment than Hillary. Wait a little while, Barack, and nominate Hillary to the Supreme Court. It’s a better fit for her, and for the general body politic.

“Hillary is very smart, energetic, durable, and a great worker. ”
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Maybe she can find a job as a sled dog.

It is sad that several people in these responses think just anybody would be good after the Bush years.

So much for change we can depend on.

Please No to Hilliary. She does NOT have the organizational and negotiation skills. Plus, one of her greatest weaknesses is her low “likeability” factor. How can you deal with foreign nationals especially if they and the US do bit like you that well.

You know, I never heard any talk regarding the conflict of interest in the Bush oil business dealings in regard to George Bush running for President. Why all of the sudden would the Clinton charity work come into play? It’s not like the Clinton’s are going to be making a profit.

Hillary will mow down Barry every chance she gets. His inexperience in EVERY field of public service will be all-to-easy for her to undermine him. I have never questioned Hillary’s love of our country nor her unwavering loyalty to America’s interests. Barry Obama, now that is a completely different story.

When is that OBAMA’s dealings with criminal felon Tony Rezco in buying his home in IL, is not an issue and the excellent president of USA Bill Clinton, who created over 15 million jobs and brought the first ever Federal Budget surplus in this decade would be a problem for America (or) Secretary of state.. Stupid Media Loathing for OBAMA is reaching idiotic levels. You can be madly passionate about OBAMA but abusing other accomplished leaders for your loathing is utter non sense.

Hillary Clinton would make a phenomenal U.S. Secretary of State. She is dynamic, dedicated and well liked by the international community. President Bill Clinton and his international experience, would definitely be a plus in Hillary’s favor, they both carry the right clout needed when confronting issues that the next U.S. Secretary of State will face, I think President elect Barack would be making an extremely wise choice by appointing Hillary as Secretary of State, she is experienced, a seasoned diplomat who will be able to tackle the most sensitive issues that our foreign policy faces today, she is definitely the person that can hit the ground running from day “one” in the international arena…
I certainly would not take very seriously the added hype and negative comments on choosing Hillary Clinton for Secretary of State, by those who I catagorize as the envious people who are in the far right of the political spectrum. Fox News’ O’Reily and fomer U.N. Ambassador John Bolton, display biasis and neo-conservative viewpoints on foreign policy, they are the last 2 people on this planet who I would seek an opinion on Hillary’s potential appointment as U.S. Secretary of State.

PUT HILLARY IN PRISON NOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE IF HE DOES THIS HE DONT NEED TO BE IN THAT OFFICE EATHER HILLARY IS A CRIMINAL CANT OBAMA GET IT THROW HIS HEAD THAT MAKES HIM ONE TO DONT PUT CRIMINALS IN THAT OFFICE

if president clinton, has to stop doing the work he has been doing, she should say no to obama and his sos post.
let him find someone from his own group.
richardson, should be sos.
time for obama to leave the clinton’ alone.

Question to Clinton shall not be who are the Major donors but who are all the donors to him and his foundation? Since the Hillary wants to be the Secretary of State the question that needs to be put to Bill and Hillary is: Did Bill Clinton or his foundation take any money from Albanian Groups which are lobbying for Kosovo independence from Serbia? This will be one of the first challenges that administration will be dealing with!

Below is my open letter to President Obama & VP Biden. I appreciate if you share this with others.
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One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.
–Plato–
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Dear President Obama & VP Biden,
Re. Secretary of State Selection vs. Senator H. Clinton:
We helped during campaign & voted for you both, all the way from primary to final election not because how you look like but because your ideas & policies (including foreign policy); and not only because YOUR ideas & policies but also because we DID NOT like other candidates ideas & policies; like H. Clinton, J. McCain, and J. Lieberman. But you are bringing the same people that we opposed to, back to the game – to your team.
It’s good to reach across the aisle but not shifting to the other side of the aisle. Plus, reaching across the aisle shouldn’t have more priority than selecting the right candidate with the same vision & policy ideas as you for the job. After all, that’s what we voted for you both, otherwise we’d voted for them. Is there a “Reach-Across-Aisle” competition or noble prize somewhere that you are going for and we’ve missed?  What is next? Bringing McCain, Lieberman, Bush, and Cheney to the board too? Is this the big CHANGE you were talking about? You are bringing the same old stuff – same old failed policies that Senator Clinton has supported and screamed about over & over during her campaign, which you yourself were oppose to. If you think by doing this you’ll gain some more votes from people, please let me remind you (in case if it hasn’t sank for you yet): Mr. Obama & Biden, election is already over, you got elected, you don’t need more votes from people; now you need more votes from House & Senate; so, Mrs. Clinton is better off to be in Senate to support and vote for your policies.
Your campaign supporter & volunteer,
Tim W.