Obama’s Stimulus Package: How Big? Schumer Floats $500-700B
President-elect Barack Obama is pushing Congress for a robust economic stimulus package he can sign into law in January.
But the question is: how big?
In an interview on "This Week," Joint Economic Committee chair Sen. Charles Schumer, D-NY., told "This Week" that he thinks the stimulus package should be between $500-700 billion.
"I believe we need a pretty big package here," Schumer told me, saying Congress is working on getting a major stimulus package on Obama’s desk before Jan. 20.
"I think it has to be deep. In my view it has to be between $500 and $700-billion dollars and that’s because our economy’s in serious, serious trouble," Schumer said, "It’s a little like having a new New Deal, but you do it before the Depression, not after."
Incoming White House senior adviser David Axelrod suggested Obama will push for a plan much larger than the $175-billion stimulus he suggested during the campaign.
"What he’s said is, he wants a plan big enough to deal with the large challenges," Axelrod told me but refused to put a number on it.
Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., the top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee said of Schumer’s stimulus number,"That’s a lot of money."
"We better be careful about not just throwing money – borrowing a lot of money and throwing it at deal and creating snow jobs," Shelby said, arguing he’ll have to see the details of any stimulus package before supporting it.
Another Obama economic adviser, New Jersey Sen. Jon Corzine, is urging Obama to request a stimulus "north of $600 billion," as first reported by Newsweek. With dire predictions for the unemployment rate and consumer spending next year, the Federal Reserve is basically out of room to do anything more with monetary policy.
Members of Obama’s economic team argue the nation’s economy will need that injection of capital.
Yesterday Obama announced an ambitious spending and tax cut plan that includes a two-year stimulus plan to save or create 2.5 million jobs.
The plan would be implemented through infrastructure — roads and bridges; tax cuts for lower and middle-class workers; aid to state and local governments; investments in so-called green-jobs; and alternative energy development.
–George Stephanopoulos
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The dems are spending borrowed money again, and he hasn’t even been officially elected by the electoral college. Got to get those checks sent out to all the ghetto rats.
Posted by: bo | November 23, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
How does printing more money STOP inflation??? Jimmy Carter II strikes again… We are in the toilet now!!!
Posted by: please! | November 23, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
only if it is to create manufactuing jobs inthis country not – to be sent out as a check ato spend.. that is what got us into this mess in the first place… all this spenidng on goods and not on actually concretet hings such as factories etc…
Posted by: sokadija | November 23, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
It’ll be $1 trillion by inauguration day. Now that’s change we can believe in! Hyperinflation here we come…
Posted by: Dr. Doom | November 23, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
I am all for a jobs programs where people work for their money and its good for infrastructure of the country roads, bridges & blighted neighborhoods, but a $500 check will be used to pay bills and not stimulate the economy! It didn’t work the first time, it just postponed the pain. Another idea would be is to help pay for the education for the medical profession. More doctors leave the profession everyday as the pop. gets older. What will happen in ten yrs. when you can’t get even simple medical care without long waits.
Posted by: robert | November 23, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
I would rather see the money go to a ghetto rat here rather than Bush and Cheney sending it to Iraq and let those people that hate us spend it. Bush, your so called conserative has destroyed our economy and way of life, so get over it and let Obama fix the mess.
Posted by: John Burke | November 23, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
The GOP spends borrowed money too…more than the Dems have ever spent. If you want small government you’ll have to move to another country…no one offers it here.
Posted by: Daren | November 23, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
One reader writes that we are going to be in the toilet again. I have news for you, Bush has had us in the toilet for years and looks as if he wants to flush it before he leaves office. My only question…..how much more damage can he do in the next few weeks???? It is amazing how a few can fault Obama and the Democrats when the largest percentage of the world’s population including the United States thinks the world will be better off.
Posted by: John Burke | November 23, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
send each WORKING or RETIRED american a check and we will stimulate the economy pronto.
Posted by: stella | November 23, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
The government caused this problem by borrowing and spending money it did not have for the past 30 years. Our economy was not thriving, it was living on borrowed money in a false rosy picture. Now it all caught up and how does Obama propose to get out of this? Spend more and borrow more? This is like giving a drunk whiskey to cure his alcoholism. This is insane. The private sector needs to invest, create jobs, and we need to get the government out of business’ way. The government doesn’t make anything, and is the most inefficient organization ever conceived. Obama is a lawyer and knows nothing so you can’t blame him. The American public elected an unqualified individual and now we are all going to pay.
Posted by: Brian | November 23, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
I see Obama’s plan is going to build roads and bridges and employ all these out of work factory worker. How absurd is this idea? No factory worker is going to leave Michigan and go build a road in Kansas. This is unworkable and just plain dumb. Manufacturing jobs need to be created where they live and only private industry can do this. The government needs to encourage business with lower taxes across the board, and the unions need to stop being so short sighted. Our companies need to be able to compete in the world economy and then people will have good long term jobs. The government is the problem and never the answer.
Posted by: Brian | November 23, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
“send each WORKING or RETIRED american a check and we will stimulate the economy pronto.
Posted by: stella | Nov 23, 2008 10:10:22 AM
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What do you think the “tax-cuts” go to????
Posted by: Jon B | November 23, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
re: bo. I find it very offensive that you call your fellow Americans Ghetto rats. We are all in the same financial crisis and we have a REPUBLICAN to thank. Why pretend that only democrats spend borrowed money? How much do we owe China and Russia under Bush’s regime?
Bo, your holier-than-thou attitude is sad, esp. in the world we live in today. You are very fortunate for never having had to live in the ghetto. Why not realize that and be thankful instead of being such a pig?
We are all one human family.
Posted by: Not hearing it | November 23, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Someone tell me how borrowing more money from our children’s future is going to help them. This sounds very similar to the outrageous Paulson bailout. We need to see the plan BEFORE any more money is appropriated. This is robbery people!!! We need to offer immediate tax incentives for private industry to create jobs at home NOW! STOP THE BAILOUT MADNESS!!!
Posted by: grumpyoldmanintown | November 23, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
i tink the is good idia to send rebate checks to pople like bush did
Posted by: arnaldo burgos | November 23, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Why was Onama ABC’s choice? Both are afraid to offend the New World Order and neither puts the U.S. first. Check it out at http://www.snopes.com/rumors/noflags.asp
Posted by: tekrab | November 23, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Locomotive systems are what made the US strong. Forget the roads–rebuild our rail system. Europe has done it, Japan has done it. Freight is moved over 400 miles on a gallon of fuel. Why rebuild roads no one has any money to buy a car to drive on?
Also–WW2 ended the Great Depression, not The New Deal. How do I know? I was there.
Posted by: NewCongress2010 | November 23, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
In regards to the next proposed Stimulus Package. Also, with much respect to Mr. Barack Obama, President Elect. It seems to me it would make more sense to give the money directly to the homeowners in foreclosure due to the Mortgage Crisis and lose of their job. The government/President Bush has already given money to the mortgage companies, and they continue to foreclose on homes. It just makes sense to give each homeowner between $250,000-100,000,000.00 and request proof that their mortgage has be paid in full. This would immediately stop the downward foreclosure rate. It never made good sense to me Bailout the vary people to started the situation in the first place, with a foundation of ‘Grede’! I worked in the mortgage industry for 14 yrs and I speak from experience. As the news showed last nite a Countrywide Loan Officer was jailed for murder of two of his clients. A fraud for forging two checks for two different clients. He made promises he was not able to keep. Most loan officers are driven by the company they work for, as I said earlier I speak from experience. Also, companies are using monies to buy other companies not to make loans. Everyone continues to say the Mortgage Industry started the problem. Well think why not consider something simple; impower the people caught in the situation. The lenders will NOT hault the foreclosure, so if the money amounts I mentioned is given to each homeowner in foreclosure to allow the homeowner to payoff their mortgage, automatically the economy will be stinulated and people would feel free to shop, purchase power etc. I can not beleive the government gave money to the Mortgage Industry and expected the foreclosure rate to decline and/or stop. My lender is Countrywide the same that is all over the news, the internet, and 60 minutes for fraud, redlining, wrongful foreclosure etc. My loan was purchased by Countrywide before the first payment was due! I worked in the Mortgage Industry and lost my job one month after I moved into my home. To date Countrywide is trying to foreclose on my home. I know some of the govenment money went to Countrywide and still no help for the middle/little people. This is the United States of America and because of Grede, we are being forced to be homeless. The govenment granted the money to the wrong people. It should have and should go to those of us that are losing are homes for the same grede.
The gvoenment Stimulus Package needs to be of the nature to help solve the probloem. Paying off the mortgages of those of us caught in the middle, can and will only stop the foreclosure rate and give the mortgages companies revenue for loans, and stimulate the economy at the same time! It would be an instant automatic fix to each states foreclosure issues.
Posted by: Annette Van Horn | November 23, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Hey, What about all of us comsumers? Give every person with a social security number one million dollars. (approx. 350 million in America) Freeze prices and wages for 6 months and watch the American consumer spend us out of the current crisis. We will buy new cars, new houses, clothes, vacations, etc! We are the American consumer and we know how to spend. Give us the money, NOW, and we will fix this economy.
Posted by: Whataboutme | November 23, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Infrastructures are needed. To those who say the “The government is the problem and never the answer”, I just want ask: who do you think should build the roads, the bridges, everything you use to go to work?
Or maybe you can fly and don’t use this kind of infrastructure…
Posted by: Ben | November 23, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
When it comes to money giveaways, our Greatest Smartest Leader only has sky as limit.
I surely believe this stimulus is outside, in addition to, his promise of $1000 if we voted for him. Stimulus and campaign promises cannot be confused together.
Long Live our Dearest Comrade Pres 0bama for giving us more freebies.
Posted by: lazy to think | November 23, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Just listen to all the brain dead republican morons criticizing Obama’s recovery plan. These are the same rotted garbage that cheered as Bush mortgaged the future to fund his private war in Iraq. The reign of Bush started with a huge surplus and it was only under his direction that we’ve come to our economic crisis. Iraq war, ownership society…borrow, borrow, borrow until the hole is so deep that the way out is virtually lost. Obama’s plan involves economic growth into existing and new industries, but the idiots in this comment thread are too fat and stupid to see the potential. And to you “bo”, ESAD.
Posted by: Butch Dillon | November 23, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Let’s make sure that this stimulus isn’t just a subsidy to the failed New York financial center. America needs to rebuild its manufacturing sectors and infrastructure. Pushing phony monetary instruments around that aren’t backed by real GDP will not provide jobs and real income.
Posted by: Marke | November 23, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
John Burke, Pbama already has plans to give more borrowed US tax dollars to Muslims countries than we already give these countries in foreign aid. So what do you think of that? I suppose you voted for this fraud, Obama who is not eligible to be President because he is not a “natural born citizen” of the US as per Article II of the constitution. And Bush haters called Bush the Great Pretender. Now you actually voted a real one in.
Posted by: Sandy | November 23, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
I didn’t vote for Obama. Let us give the new President Obama a chance to write his name in history with our due cooperation. We gave the outgoing Republican President 8 years, so why not be nice and respectful to the incoming president. It is noble for a leader to be proactive especially when this great country needs to be rescued.
Posted by: sdor | November 23, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Here comes the WPA of FDR “fame” again, and with it an even bigger & more costly government. Instead of the gov’t hiring all the 2.5 million who lost their job, why not not award contracts to private contractors to rebuild the roads & bridges, with a stipulation that they must have a certain percentage of their emplyees hired from that pool of recently unemployed. Private industry has ALWAYS performed better than gov’t to do these things, more efficiently, quicker, less costly, and with a superior finished product in the end. This would creates jobs and repair the infrastructure.
Posted by: Flying Monkeys | November 23, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
We were able to spend $700 billion + on the banks, certainly we can spend at least as much to rebuild our infrastructure, start real work on new energy projects, creating jobs in the process , and lower middle income and senior taxes. At the very least !!
Posted by: Herb Gray | November 23, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
John Burke wrote: “I would rather see the money go to a ghetto rat here rather than Bush and Cheney sending it to Iraq and let those people that hate us spend it. Bush, your so called conserative has destroyed our economy and way of life, so get over it and let Obama fix the mess.”
Guess again, John Burke. A big reason our economy is in such a mess is the DEMOCRATS, starting back in Lyndon Johnson days. The Democrats helped set up Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, and it was Democratic Presidents Carter and Clinton who pushed giving mortgage loans to people who can’t afford them. It was the Democrats who ignored warnings by others that the mortgage practices they preached would have far-reaching impacts on the economy. It was the Democrats who blocked repeated attempts by Republicans to turn things around. There was an excellent article in the “Investor’s Business Daily” newspaper, dated Nov. 3rd, I think it was, which spells out the timeline and actions taken by the Democrats that got us into the mess we’re in today.
Stop blaming Bush. It was the Democrats who got us here, and the Democrats sure as heck aren’t going to get us out. That will happen in 2012 when the Republicans are put back in power again.
Posted by: MyFellowAmericans | November 23, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Well, listen folks! Obama wants to build roads, bridges, hospitals, etc. so that each and every one will include the name OBAMA!
Posted by: SureEnough08 | November 23, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
This will be a slap and tickle approach. First we give a tremendous amount of money to people that don’t deserve it, then we will come back and say we need to raise taxes on everyone else. Hey Buddy, wanna buy a carbon credit?
Posted by: Mystified | November 23, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Annette, what about the people who are not in foreclosure. It doesn’t seem fair to just give some people there houses and make the people that are doing the right thing still have to pay for theirs.
Posted by: Michael | November 23, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
bo wrote: “The dems are spending borrowed money again..”
Again? Is that an attempt at a sick joke? Dubya is responsible for 50% of our national debt and Reagan 30%. Where were your complaints while they ran up huge deficits for the benefits of the rich and with trickle-down theories Dubya’s own father named “Voodoo economics”?
Posted by: The_Mick | November 23, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
If you want to make a diffence.
Give every household in America who makes under $250,000. a year $100,000. to spend. Give it to them as a debit card that has to be spent to pay off their morgage or to spend.
This would get the economy going again and give money to the people who really need it. Why give money to companies to pay their CEO big fat bonuses.
This gets us nowhere.
I SAY TO OBAMA….put your money where your mouth is!!!!!
You want to help the working poor….THIS is the way to help the working poor and middle class.
THIS IS A Simple PLAN that would cost less than giving money to big business.
Posted by: Marianne | November 23, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
2.5million jobs times 100,000 per job if you factor in benefits would be $250 billion- a lot of money plus now a stimulus package of $500-750 billion you’re talking about another $1 trillion in deficit. Wow- it’s beginning to sound like how Bush got the country back on its’ feet after the tech bubble, 9/11, housing crisis etc. Imagine that. That is real change. It may also have been just how McCain would have done it.
Posted by: jschmidt | November 23, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Schumer is an idiot. Most of the republicans and democrat’s are idiots. They spend our money like it’s water and allow private organizations like the Federal reserve to work in total secrecy.
The Federal Reserve must end. Period. Study it, why it was formed, what it’s doing to our country. If you don’t…you have no right to complain when you’re on the street begging for money. The press is bought and paid for by the few private banks that are controlling the Federal Reserve. It’s time to react before the middle class is banished into serfdom.
Look at our politicians. 90% of the people said, no bailout, and they ignored us. Make them pay! Big time!
Do you think congress will bailout the auto industy….no, and they shouldn’t, but it’s for a different reason. If they save the big banks then there won’t be a run on the money….no run, preserves the banking industy. Preserves these stupid idiots that are running the country behind the scenes. The fall of the auto industry will not collaspe the banks….will be painful for middle class america but will preserve the rich. Stand up! Fight! Fight the bastards! Study the issue so you can vote them out of office next election.
Posted by: kennedy | November 23, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Does anyone want to make a bet? I predict that in the near future the U S government will buy a great number of foreclosed vacant (now run down) houses at basement prices or no prices . Then this houses will be bulldozed to get them off the market- presto! now a shortage of houses- thus increasing jobs in the construction and home furnishing industries. Crazy, you say. Start with the 1946 spud surplus. U S government bought mountains of spuds and dumped them to be destroyed. Excess cheese and butter and other products went down a similar path.
Posted by: SureEnough08 | November 23, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
I would much rather have the money go to those who are hurting instead of greedy ceos who don’t deserve it. The people sho have been bailed out first not wall street.
Posted by: sick of it | November 23, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
I want to know why Schumer and every other member of the senate banking committee is still there at all. In my opinion, we should demand their resignations along with members of the finance committee. Have you noticed noone is taking responsibility for this mess? That is becausae they are in both parties so noone can bring it up. The public should scream so loudly about this that these morons will be forced to resign.
Posted by: Olivia | November 23, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
jschmidt: You have a collar with a leash around your neck and you don’t even know it. Your masters will let you stand in front of a car as you get flattened.
The last 80 years all parties have been promoting this system. Obama is the twin brother of George Bush. Just look at the new tresury secretary. President of the Federal Reserve. I don’t expect you to understand what that means and I’m not explaining. Get a tin cup…you’ll need it.
Posted by: kennedy | November 23, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Schumer is a joke. He ‘thinks’……….????? He isn’t getting paid to THINK. He loves the limelight and that’s what he does best, making sure his face is on camera.
Silence this clown.
Posted by: Pat H. | November 23, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
The rate of money creation by the US in the past few months is unprecedented in history. This will lead to hyperinflation, because there is more money chasing roughly the same amount of goods and services. It’s not a question of if, but when. Look at 1920′s Weimar Germany for one of many historical examples of this.
Posted by: CMH | November 23, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
CMH: Bingo! But try and tell the folks that are standing in line with their hand out….they’ll give you free cheese…from china with love. The same stuff that killed babies.
Dear folks, We all hope Obama is the Messiah. Dear folks, he’s proved already he is in bed with the same devils of George Bush. You’ll have plenty of money. You’ll all be billioniars. It will cost 200,000. for a cup of coffee. Study pre WWII Germany. This spike in money creation that Obama is supporting is what will cause it.
Posted by: kennedy | November 23, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Everybody’s complaining but nobody is doing anything….actually nobody even cares. Who has read up on the history of inflation? If you haven’t you are a dumb, stupid, blabbering, idiot. Who has wrote their congressman and said, your political head is on the line. When this crashes you better be on the right side. Who has lifted their butt of the couch and did something. For the stupid ones, You can’t spend 20.00 when you only have 1.00 in your pocket. Oh yea, I can make my own money with a machine.
Inflation:
3 people in a boat. One has a dollar, one an orange, one broke. The man with the dollar says I want to buy your orange. He says sure. Before he can place the dollar in his hand, the other guy says, wait, I found a ten. There is now 11.00 in the boat. The man with one dollar now has a piece of paper worth 1/10 of a orange. It was worth 1 orange until the other guy found a 10.00. Get it stupid!
Posted by: kennedy | November 23, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
When did it start making sense to ‘stimulate’ the economy rather than let the market dictate winners and losers? In capitalism we are not ‘one big human family’, instead we are our own families and it is a competition to succeed. Many immigrants come to America and are millionaires within one generation. Handouts are not logical and only breed a type of laziness that is reserved for a lower middle class expectation. The brass ring of success is personal and comes from within and from expectations that your parents established for you or that you personally create. The government cannot ‘stimulate’ that drive to succeed.
Posted by: Wayne the Wizard | November 23, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Conservatives have an incredible gift for denial. 8 years of failed Republican rule — yes, rule and not governance — has left this crisis at the doorstep of Obama’s white house. Bush and Cheney have, over the last 8 years, ruined every good thing that Clinton did during his 8 years. Now the Democrats have to step in and clean up the kids’ mess AGAIN.
To those who keep saying let business be business and all will be well… isn’t that what we’ve been doing? Look where that has left us. Greedy banks giving government guaranteed mortgages to anyone with a pulse, then selling those worthless mortgages to greedy investors. Nice.
Then there is our precious auto industry. The only reason Congress wants to “bail them out” is because of the terrible damage another 2.5 million unemployed would have on the economy, NOT because we have any love for the greedy, blind, absolutely distasteful leadership of the domestic auto makers. For years Europe has been leading fuel efficiency standards, but folks like GM have been road blocking every single attempt to improve fuel efficiency standards saying “boo hoo, this is going to put us out of business”… but funny that GM cars in Europe get 50% better gas mileage than their domestic counterparts. Domestic auto makers, and Republicans, got what they wanted on fuel (non) efficiency standards, and GM is still going under. Hmmm, I wonder where the problem REALLY lies?
THANK GOD FOR OBAMA! He has vision for the future and can see beyond the end of his nose, unlike this little uneducated dictator we are about to kick out of office. We need to rejoin the world in its efforts to create a better planet, and in the process we will create more jobs and have more money for domestic infrastructure.
And to that person earlier who said that people won’t travel for jobs, what are you smoking? If you are an unemployed manufacturing worker in Detroit, but your qualifications make you perfectly suited for a well paying job at a solar farm in Arizona, I think you better start packing your bags. In these times, you go where the work is. This is going to be a time of sacrifice folks.
I hope Obama’s plan isn’t just to give people money. Giving people money to spend doesn’t create long-term growth, it creates a short-term bubble and more denial that Republicans can rally behind. Instead, we need to re-build our domestic infrastructure. Have you driven on a California freeway lately? Have you sat in Seattle or Phoenix traffic wondering why, oh why, is there no rail system in these large metro areas to get people out of their polluting vehicles?
We need a new vision for our country, one that tackles our major problems in a long term fashion. We need better roads and bridges, fuel efficient public transit systems to offload overburdened freeways, build more solar farms and generate power from renewable resources to gain energy independence. If Argentina can fuel its auto industry without a drop of middle eastern oil, why can’t we?
Stop playing the blame game. Let’s all look to the future with hope and excitement for what this country can be. If your instinct is to look back and blame, or feel negatively about someone who hasn’t even taken office, perhaps you should take a long look in the mirror and find the real reason for your unhappiness within yourself instead of projecting it onto those of us who want to move this country forward.
Cheers.
Posted by: Sonny | November 23, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
With respect to Herb Grays Comment. It seems to me Mr. Gray you have ‘blinders’ on….President Bush is a Republicican. I really want to know when if ever we…the public will call them as there are not as we want the situation to be! Bush has been in the office the past eight years and look where the country is now, the worst crisis since the stock market crash of 1929. Like it or not REPUBLIC POLITICS GOT US HERE! Your comment as well as the typical for this country is to ignore what the govenment is and has done…..continue to think your way, instead of holding the Govenment and the Politicians accountable; we will all be homeless and on the street. I really don’t care if Mr. Bush is a Republican or a Democrate. With all due respect to Mr. President Elect, I also don’t really care if he’s a Republican or a Democrate either! Just Fix the Mess! I worked in mortgage for fourteen years, lost my job of eight years about one month after closing on my home. Now foreclosure is possible, struggling to keep my car for work when new work opens up, barely able to eat. Living on just electricity, no heat and I am a two time Breast Cancer Survivor and still I have some major health issues along with the aforementioned struggles. It is time WE stop turning a blind eye; this situation is generally from concessions made during a campaign. Once again who really cares; we just need the situation FIXED! Additionally, its time to stop blamming the Democrates when its has been proven each time there’s a situation its the Republicans that causes the matter! Once again, do you really want to continue to be ‘stuck on stupid’ conversing about which party caused the crisis, instead of who can and will fix the issue! I don’t care who it is just fix it; I would have voted for the love of my life my dog Budd and his brother my 18 lb. Cat if I knew they would fix the matter.
President Elect Obama is an intelligent man and I think he will give the country a fighting chance to recover. But come on people when will we WAKE UP; stop focusing on blaming one party for another has done! We need to focus on who can, who will, fix it and if hold them accountable! And for God sake when will we as a country and a people tell to the government/politicans to stop taxing paychecks! The Bandaid effect is a temporary measure! If every American took home the gross there’s another measure to enhance the economy. Tax what were purchase, which is already being done, so stop taxing paychecks. The money only goes to wars most of us don’t want anyway. Or the policians mishandle the funds. The obvious change set the country back on the right track if we just WAKE UP! The United States of America, the greatest country in the World; yet we continue to utilize a ‘Blind’ eye; when we should hold the government/politics accountable. Stop bying the ‘oakkidoc’
Posted by: BuddV | November 23, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Part of the stimulus package is to build new school, this is bunk. They built three new schools near my house in Meriwether County, Ga. and the wages offered were so low that only illegal’s would take the jobs. The crooked contractors charged 16 dollars an hour per employee on the contract and then paid 8-10 an hour and kept the rest. The contractors collected taxes and pocketed that as well. Unless wages are guaranteed this plan will only help the rich contractors and the same will happen with bridges etc.. As stupid as it sounds the earlier poster said give each american 1 mill and thats only 350 mill a lot less than the 700 bil
Posted by: ageofpaper | November 23, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
I personally don’t like this plan, but many of the economists I talk to think that the danger for the economy is _deflation_, not inflation (at least in the short term). I think this will probably not help much, and will be wasteful, but will ultimately not have any impact on short term inflation.
Posted by: Eric | November 23, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
This is the wrong way to do it. We are not only becoming a heavily socialist nation, but we are starting to show signs of Communism too. If the government controls the job market, opening up to one industry and ignoring others, I feel it’s Communist. The government shouldn’t have any authority over the job market. We need free markets to thrive, not be controlled. We need to get rid of unions, because they drive down competition and quality of products, a great example is the American auto industry. Any sort of “stimulus” package will only put us more in debt. The wrong things are being discussed in saving this country. No more stimulus packages to put a band aid on the gushing wound. We need real solutions. This government is not working for us at all. This has become a very lazy, fat, inefficient government.
Posted by: urma | November 23, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Re: Mystified! I meant no disrespect to the ones that are currently paying their mortgage payments. I only mean to focus on that, since its what is being credited for the start of the crisis. Actually, if the dollar amount is given to every tax paying American we can stimulate the economy. I truly mean NO disrespect to the ones doing the right thing. However, let me as this comment also, I purchased my home on employment of seven years with the same company, two months after the purchase a conference call from our headquarters announcing closure of the entire Wholesale Division. Now I’m on unemployment which in no way will permit to make my mortgage payment. Its a struggle to maintain my car payment, lights and water; no heat I can’t afford that luxury. This in conjunction with the fact that I am a two time Breast Cancer Survivor, the first time I was stage 3, next stage is usually death. Second time a reoccurance. Additionally, serveral other medical issues to add to and guess what, Mystified I was doing the right thing too! My first cancer I missed work for two weeks after my right breast mastecomy, went back to 80 hours a week at the bank. I did chem in cyces and missed 1-2 days after treatment and back to 80 hours. Blood draws on my lunch break. Second time, I missed exactly 5 days and back to work, did my herceptin treatment on half days every other week, back to work on the following Monday. I think I have been doing the right thing too! I am not crying ‘whooo is me’ I’m just saying! If the money is given to each American to pay what we owe; this would Stimulate the Economy Immediately! And Stop taxing paychecks allow every American to take home the Gross.
Also, one word to The_Mick; AMEN!
Posted by: BuddV | November 23, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Everyone speculating on what to do with the ECONOMY!!!!
I suggest allow the markets to crash and start from a NEW!!!!
I know that it’s not the wise thing to do but it is going to happen, anyhow!!!
Markets around the world need to stop trading for at least a year to focus on fixing the problem. Let each country take care of it’s own!
We need to go back to basic and retool America!!
Posted by: sisterdearest09 | November 23, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
It is amazing how Republicans can be okay with throwing away billions on a wild goose chase in Iraq and yet be so opposed to helping Americans and the country get back on its feet.
Posted by: Two-cats | November 23, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Our retirement accounts will be worthless before he is even inaugurated with this kind of constant trash talk.
Worst President-elect EVER!
Posted by: Nobel_MBP | November 23, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Open the flood gates!
Posted by: LongT | November 23, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
I love that Sean and Rush cry they want to spread the wealth, on my, lions, tigers and bears, what about hording the wealth? The problem is that 1% has all the money and it will get much worse, they are like a sucking machine, they keep us in debt with car loans credit card loans, college loans, house loans and so on, guess where all that money is going? They try and make a killing in the housing market, but forgot that their greedy brethren in the oil companies were gouging at the same time. How is it that oil is half what it was before, we are so dam stupid. This stimulus package is there to rebuild the fortunes of the Gates, Buffets, and Walton’s of the world.
Posted by: ageofpaper | November 23, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
“Bush signs $286.4 billion highway bill” – Aug. 10, 2005.
This shlt never works. When will you FDR idiots learn?
Posted by: Nobel_MBP | November 23, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Funding the building of infrastructure, investing in education of our future citizens, and most importantly providing for our common defense is what our government is supposed to do. Bolstering failing private institutions is not.
The Obama Stimulus plan is beneficial to all Americans. We all benefit from improved transit systems(I have to agree that rail must be included, especially if we are promoting energy independence). We all benefit from having a well educated society. We all benefit from having an energy infrastucture that reduces our dependence on foreign energy sources. We all benefit from a comprehensive national security plan that embodies thinking and engaging before acting and sending brave American’s into harms way. Most importantly we benefit from having Americans WORKING and making money so they can continue to spend it. Atleast that would keep the economy stable while this economic correction runs its course. Sounds like a better plan than giving freebies to the fat cats.
While government may not have the ability to stimulate the drive to succeed it sure can make sure the opportunity is there for it to occur. I bet that that factory worker from MI would not have a problem taking work building a road, railway, or improving a school in another state if it meant that they could retain their home and feed their family.
Posted by: mavattack | November 23, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
the smartest commets on this page is the ones talking about giving the money to the working people not banks,insurance co people that could use the money, spend it on mortgage loans, car loans, workers 55 and older could retire and would creating more job openings more tax dollars for city gov from sales tax
Posted by: southern | November 23, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
War on Poverty.
$10 Trillion spent so far and the poverty rates are unchanged, other than 5% the EIC tax credit trimmed.
When will you LBJ idiots learn?
Posted by: Nobel_MBP | November 23, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
please! – Don’t eeeeeven attempt to put this problem on Obama. Your guy and Republican trickle down, no regulation for corporate America is what allowed our country to be fleeced by crooks and now the Dems need to fix it. So sit back, shut up and enjoy the return to a prosperous respected America that’s coming your way.
Posted by: Steven | November 23, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
AgeofPaper, recheck your math. $1 million per American is a lot more than $350 million. That would only take care of 350 people (the top 1%…just kidding trying to make a joke). There are around 350 million Americans. Actually a $500 billion stimulus given to each American equals about $1500 per person. I also realize that 350 million is more than the working age/working population of the USA.
Posted by: mavattack | November 23, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Sure…first save Wall St. and then THEY will save Main St, right?
Well, we’re about to find out just how badly the conservatives, both Dems and Reps have destroyed the ‘social safety net’ of the 60′s and 70′s. 10% unemployment calls for millions of ‘welfare moms’…remember them? And anything President Obama does to try to reconstruct the governments ability to help these people will be construed by the Republicans as SOCIALISM. Can’t wait to here these ‘America First’ crowd denigrate the white middle class as ‘welfare queens’ looking for handouts! The Republican who can galvanize this position the best will qualify as the Republican ‘leader’. It’s all about marketing and sales. The only way out of this trap is for Obama to keep his campaign oiffices open and convert them to food pantries!
Posted by: Lloyd | November 23, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Hey Steve, explain to us what “trickle down” is? My guess you have no idea, and it was bad regulation that caused this, not deregulation. Republicans wanted lending regulated like it used to be….but you already know this.
Posted by: Nobel_MBP | November 23, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
To Mystified: I am not feeling well today, but could not lie down without sending you further comments. It’s important to me, to say this, those of us; the majority in foreclosure are not there because WE did not do the right thing! I am single in addition to the Cancer I mentioned. My income was more than enough to meet my financial needs, however $320.00 a week unemployment is not; its a joke! I am greatful for it but its not enough to pay rent let alone a mortgage and car payment! Those of us out of work due to company closing and in foreclosure my in lieu job lose, I beleive were doing the right thing too! Ask yourself if you and/or your husband lost you incomesw tommorrow how long will your saving maintain your mortgage. Mine managed for exactly three months. Lenders don’t care if you lost you job, not quit, but lost it because the same companies based on grede closed down. I am not begging, nor whoo is me, but those of caught in the middle don’t have any options! I am glad you’re Blessed to be able to still meet your obligations, but ask yourself without employment how long can you maintain? I never dreamed I would be in this position and I had the funds to maintain, or so I thought! When your funds are going out and nothing coming in it does not take long to find yourself in trouble! If you doubt this, then I hope your Mortgage Lender is not the worst one out there; Countrywide Home Loans. Countrywide does not intertain the concept of working with the borrower to kept their home. Also, any loan underwriter is guaranteed by either Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac or Genie Mae so the Lender will get their money after foreclosure. You, I and the Public get vacant, vandalized homes that only hurt the economy and the neighbor hoods. Thus, my earlier comments are meant to point out the obvious; give the next stimulus package to the people; you, me the people. Not just a Bandade. (my spelling is off a little). I’m a good, hard working person caught up right in the middle of all of this! I hope you don’t have to end up being a part of this crisis in the same manner that I am! Please, I just want you to know that most of us caught up in possible foreclosure are not there for lack of doing the right thing! Even when I was sick I still worked, and guess what after my company closed down, we got an email the first paragraph announced a new high pay executive, yet we lost of employment. And those same companies got the 7 trillion dollar bailout! Question: Who can do more to stimulate the economy; the companies that started the mess or you and I the People; the Public?
Posted by: BuddV | November 23, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
We already have money allocated for roads, bridges, infrastructure. Giving aid to state governments with money that does not exist is fraud. Return OUR money to us, we know better how to spend it than any politician (vote all out, start anew) The feds should not be investing in education (this is a state right). Feds should get out of our lives.
Posted by: larryesperando | November 23, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Not hearing it……sorry if calling people that sit on their a$$es waiting on their welfare checks, ghetto rats, offends you. It is not racist, merely a fact. They are a drain on our society. They have as much or better opportunity to get an education(free) and better themselves, but alas, most would rather perpetuate the welfare status quo than work. You and I both know it is true.
Posted by: bo | November 23, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
That’s enough money where there’s going to be fairness issues doling it out. One person might not get their $2300 just because their birthday is off by a day or whatever, that kind of thing. Perhaps this much money would more appropriately be added to the economy as a sales subsidy?
Posted by: Dugese | November 23, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
It was Schumer, Chairman of the Joint Finance Committee, and receiving 25% of his campaign funding from the financial industry (see USA Today, September 25, 2008) that helped us taxpayers get in this problemm. How much was Schumer encourage by the financial industry’s lobbyists to promote this. Answer – A LOT
Posted by: Don | November 23, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
He is trying to copy FDR’s public works programs. The conditions are not the same, and he is dealing with a different class of people. When FDR didn it people were hungry there was no welfare or unenployment. people were more family oriented, the young men in the program only received part of their pay the rest was given to support the family. Young men today care less about the family they want the money to buy a new fancy car or dope.
Posted by: Lee S,Benson AZ | November 23, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
In late January 2009, the US DoD will get a huge shock as the new Executive and Legistative Branches take away about 1/3 of the DoD’s future funding. All the other departments are interests of the liberals. Adjust pre-911 defense spending for inflation, remove the difference between then and now, and that is how Obama will fund his vision.
Posted by: K. Daraa | November 23, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
larryesperando – We obviously do NOT have enough money allocated for roads and bridges, or they wouldn’t keep collapsing and killing people. You say you know better how to spend the money than any politician. Do you know how to build a bridge? Would you spend the money on a bridge if you had it to spend? Do you know how to find out who in the country needs help the most? Do you know how to win wars? Do you know how to do medical research? Do you know how to fight fires? These things would not happen if the government did not fund them. Yes, we need to discuss which things government should or should not be doing, but government has a role, in the things we cannot do ourselves.
Posted by: jock59801 | November 23, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Whatever happened to independence and self-reliance? Why do we need the government to bail us out? Let the free market take care of it. Another thing: our government should remove tariffs on imported products and tax companies who export our jobs overseas. Global competition is good, but not at the expense of our jobs.
Posted by: luvnrockets | November 23, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
It is Call Break the Bank.
That gives you the excuse to Change the Monetary unit of the Country.
Giving the Government money, and the companies they just bought a vested interest in it.
Because what Obama proposes Is about the worst possible approach. Flooding new money into a recessed system can make it completely collaspe.
Or Just prolong the inevitable.
Which would be beyond devastating.
They should of been Freezing funds, an not spending the vast amount they did in the past year.
Our Congress Caused this. No matter who they try to blame. It is them who Threw money around like There was no tomorrow.
The people will be the ones paying for it.
Now if they have someone playing the markets to Make it look like a crisis, They should call them off now.
Posted by: seah | November 23, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
The bailout to the banks was necessary since they are the ones that provide credit to the rest of the country. Without credit this country doesn’t move. Job creation is more efficient, longer lasting and less costly if the private sector does it. If the Fed creates the jobs and owns them they are prone to much higher costs and abuse. So how to get the private sector to create jobs? Well you could spur research into better energy generation, or provide funding for road, bridge construction. Back in FDRs day, the Fed actually created the jobs through the WPA, CCC. They were make work jobs some of which provided some great roads and parks. If Obama is talking about getting the private sector create jobs, fine. If he wants the Fed govt to employee them, that is not good. If he ties the jobs to only unions that is also more costly. Is the aim to employee more people or to employ more union people? If union people than each dollar spent will be for fewer numbers of people. Of course if higher taxes will pay for this almost $1 trillion in expenditures than how far down the income scale will higher taxes be needed. Prior to election Obama touted income ranging from above 75k to 250k would get hit with more taxes. The 75k number was during a business week interview in April but everyone forgot about that. But his tact of spending to get out of a crisis is the same as Bush did after 9/11, tech bubble, housing crisis,hurricanes, floods and wildfires. And both Bush and Obama have not or are not talking about other cuts in the Federal government. Tell me there is no waste in the current Federal government that cannot be cut and I’ve got a bridge for you to buy.
Since the general public never reads the 2 foot sized budget coming out of DC, we need a simple website that states amount of percentage of where our taxes go. Categorize them as defefense, infrastructure, Social Sec, medicare, etc. This will at least give people an idea from year to year where the money is going. If anyone knows of such a site, let us know.
Posted by: jschmidt | November 23, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
On the first stimulus check, I used it to pay for my ONE college class and books. How did that stimulate the economy? How about giving students like me the money to pay for my school since its going to be harder to get loans anyway.
Posted by: LT1982 | November 23, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
This isn’t so much about fixing the economy as it is about buying votes, first and foremost. That’s why they’re pushing the stimulus package, extending unemployment benefits, auto (read UAW) bailout, etc. It’s what the Dems do best. And we stupid voters always vote for the ones promising the most goodies. Socialism buy design makes people less productive and adds to the ranks of the dependent masses thereby keeping their benefactors in power.
Posted by: Andy | November 23, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
More bail-out? Where is this money coming from? Who is going to loan this money to us when the rest of the world is in just as bad shape if not worse? Does money grow on trees for the governments? What is world debt vs. world asset now? I suspect world debt far exceeds world assets. Why don’t they look into debt forgiveness or cancellation for everyone and start all over?
Posted by: Rod | November 23, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
no wonder this country is in so much trouble, look at the comments here on this page. We have ghetto rats, people blaming a president that isn’t even in office yet, people who still don’t think Bush caused this at all it was the democrats faults, people who think the government should send them a free check, people who think business shouldn’t pay taxes even tho the infrastructure is used by all. Its no wonder our country is in trouble. MINE, ME, WHY DO I HAVE TO HELP, I DESERVE MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE I WORK HARDER THAN ANYONE ELSE. Maybe now we know why this country is in so much trouble.
Posted by: Want2Racer | November 23, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
The states should ratify the cost for infrastructure, not the damn gov. their job is security, PERIOD! Get the damn crooks out of office, but now we see a whole new world order before your eyes. and you sheeple are just eating it up.
Posted by: FreshMeatz | November 23, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Back to the Basics is what is needed for this country. Everyone trying to keep up with the Jones didn’t work.
Live with in your means. Why does everyone think they need a $300,000 dollar home. I lost my $25,000 home in a foreclose!!! It was a 118 years old. Yes, I lost it last month. My family almost ended up homeless. Why you ask? Because both my husband and daughter were both victims of violent crimes. Did anyone help them. No. I had to transport my daughter back and forth 350 miles round trip to a residential facility for help. Why because our state facilities were cut out except for Chicago. My 2002 Cavalier has 197,000 miles on it, and it sits parked because I can’t afford the repairs. I had to file Bankruptcy, and the loan company wants to repossess it. I paid $456 a month for it for 5 years. That is over $27,000 for a Cavalier. They still say I owe almost $8,000. This is robbery. But the poor have to pay high interest because of lower credit. Now I’m going to lose it. Do you think, I can get any help no!!!! I work a full time job, and a part time job just to make ends meet. If I sat on my duff and did nothing I would get help. I refuse to do that. Why can’t people who are trying to do for themselves get any help?
Posted by: Cindy | November 23, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Sweet! Give me more money so I can save it. I didn’t spend the last stimulus. I say screw the economy. This greedy country did it to itself.
Posted by: IcouldcareLess | November 23, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I find the irony in this. People are dissatisfied with the job approval rating of our legislative branch, mainly because of the economy, yet they voted many incumbents back into office in congress and senate. Most, if not all of the incumbents voted out of office this past election were Republicans, seeming to indicate that everything is Bush’s fault. Guess what? While Bush may be partly at fault, he is not solely at fault. Who passed the bills to have Bush sign? That’s right, congress and senate.
Posted by: Rod | November 23, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Boy do I feel dumb. While every 711 worker was out there borrowing and buying half million dollar homes to make a quick buck, I was scrimping and saving, renting the tiniest hovel just to get by, so someday when I retired from 60-80 hour work weeks I could build a decent home in a nice place, and maybe go fishing. Now it seems, all those 711 workers want a free home paid for by tax dollars (stimulus package) because their gambles didn’t work. I was stupid, and should’ve lived high on the hog instead of working like a dog. Please, have a laugh on me.
Posted by: K. Daraa | November 23, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Bottom line we are suffering from 30 years of Reaganomics. The republicans have robbed the middle and lower class and gave to the rich. We have the highest discrepancy between these classes in our countries history. Then they deregulated everything and made Americans live on credit now we have hit the ceiling. If the democrats would not have been so complacent they could have stopped this reverse Robin hood robbery. Throw in the occupation of countries that would slit our throats in a second and we are cooked. It is a lot different to spend on an ailing infrastructure like Obama is proposing verses sending out checks like the republicans like to do. One has lasting effects, the other is gone in a day.
Posted by: Andrew | November 23, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
I like Ms Van Horn’s comments. One million to each person with legal SSI and watch the American Consumerism come back to life FULL SPEED AHEAD! Small Business and every other sector would get a Boost too but Financial education would have to be provided so that longer term implications could be factored in or else it’ll be one big party for a few months then bust again.
Posted by: Gene | November 23, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
I hear a lot of Republican attack dogs on this board about Barrak Obama’s economic plan of. Arn’t you glad you now have a presidenbt can gget things done.
Posted by: what667 | November 23, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
You Dumb, unbelievably Stupid Democrats! It was the Democrats who gave away the country by giving loans to people who were never capable of paying it back.
Now you moron Democraps elect a clown who knows nothing more about the economy than Dodd and Fwanks and you really believe that writing $500 checks to millions of people will get us out of this mess?
It didn’t even come close to working a short time ago, but will now?? If you Demos got any Dumber you’d need help gumming your pablum.
Posted by: -eVince | November 23, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Reagan was not responsible for the problems today- he kicked off a period of prosperity.
http://www.house.gov/jec/growth/prosper/prosper.htm
“The Reagan expansion years marked a period of economic progress for middle class Americans. Middle class income increased 11 percent after adjustment for inflation, while nearly 20 million new jobs were created. The percentage of households in the low income category dropped during the 1980s. This group comprised 27.5 percent of all households in 1980, 28.5 percent in 1982, and only 25.3 percent by 1989. As a share of all households, the proportion of those with low incomes became less prominent by the end of the 1980s.
Meanwhile, the percentage of households with incomes over $50,000 jumped from 17.6 percent in 1980 and 1982, to 23.5 percent in 1989. This remarkable increase in the proportion of high income households is another sign of solid income growth.
Notice how the strong upward mobility has affected the middle category. This group comprised 55 percent of all households in 1980, 53.8 percent in 1982, and 51.1 percent by 1989. In this one sense, the middle class did indeed shrink during the 1980s. Is this good or bad?
If the middle class shrinkage had resulted from massive income losses resulting in expansion of the low income group, it would clearly signal that something was seriously wrong. However, a review of the data shows that the reverse was happening. Income gains were pushing a greater proportion of middle class households into the high income category. Of the 4 percentage point reduction in the middle class percentage between 1980 and 1989, all of it is accounted for by net upward movement into the high income category. “
Posted by: jschmidt | November 23, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
We will see if Obama’s tax increase are wise. Doesn’t seem smart to me to raise taxes in a recession. Without the Bush tax cuts the unemployment rates would have been much higher. It allowed companies to hire after tech bubble, 9/11, hurricanes, housing crash. Clintons best was 3.8% in April 2000. Bush tax cuts helped unemployment rate to go from 6.3% June 2003 to 4.4% Dec 2006. Bush had a lot more economic crisis to deal with than Clinton and Clinton had the tech boom which gave unrealistic jobs, profits and tax revenue. Clinton term was an era of an unrealistic economy the aftermath of which Bush had to deal with. Clinton had a cakewalk in comparison to Bush.We will not know if the economy will be difficult or easy for Obama.
Posted by: jschmidt | November 23, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Stephanopulos piece on “Big 3 bailout” was heavily biased from the very start. It seems that the main idea of this “high-quality” journalism was to invite a team of four professional “Big 3″ bashers, and to make it “balanced and fair” two were from the right and two from the left! Predictably then the two conservative pundits hit on the union, and the two liberals on the management without much regard for facts or even common sense. None of them had any relevant automotive industry experience and at least one of them (David Brooks) acknowledged this. To have at least a bit more balanced discourse I propose that Mr. Stephanopolus brings someone who knows some facts in favor of the industry and their bridge loan request. Try Mr. Verg Bernero, the mayor of Lansing, who gave the hysterical Fox “newsmen” run for their money (see http://www.lansingcitypulse.com/lansing/article-2356-virg-bernero-on-fox-news.html).
Posted by: John | November 23, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Entitlements are the real danger for the future.
http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/2f3e3917-c375-47cc-a177-de334138b91e
That’s the biggest threat of an Obama presidency: the creation of vast new groups of dependent Americans who will comprise an unassailable new coalition that will enjoy iron control of our politics for a generation or more. If you start with newly legalized immigrant voters (with as many as 10 million new Democrats totally beholden to Obama and company) and then add the beneficiaries of government pre-school, the new nursery school teachers, the recipients and administrators of federal health insurance, federal college grants, the businesses who’ll enjoy the $150 billion in promised subsidies for “alternative energy,” the companies and employees of the vast increases in “infra-structure” spending (lots more bridges to nowhere), the non-tax payers who will suddenly receive a $1,000 per household check (under the guise of “refundable tax credit,” and many, many more.
Posted by: jschmidt | November 23, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
It’s New Jersey Governor Corzine – just a small mistake. He’s a former Senator.
Posted by: N Smith | November 23, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
The Republicans took us to the pawnbroker and hocked our nation over 10
trillion dollars! If the Democrates have to “fix-it” again, as they’ve had to do following Hoover, Nixon/Ford, and now Reaganomics, let’s do it and get it oover with. I don’t think the Reublicans will be back to mess things up again so maybe we can put Bill Clinton’s plan to paydown the deficit in place, again when Hillary is elected president in 8 years.
Posted by: tangito | November 23, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
I have to respectfully disagree with tangito. Last I checked, the Democrats control majority in house and senate, before and after the election, and the legislative branch are the ones who are responsible for the budget, finances, laws, etc., and sending bills for the president to pass. I suggest classes in US government. If we get out of this mess, then the Democrats are just fixing their own mistakes. But I’m not letting Republicans off the hook either. They are just as guilty. Some may enjoy this: http://content.kiplinger.com/features/archives/2008/09/how_the_financial_crisis_started.html
Posted by: Rod | November 23, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Wow, Barack Obama plans to cure America’s problems by just spending more money. All he has to do is raise taxes on the upper-5 percent of tax payers? Come on, America? Are we that stupid?
Posted by: Michael Ray Thompson | November 23, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Rod- in addition, the subprime mess goes back to the 70s when the Democrats forced banks to give loans to redlined districts (areas where people normally would qualify for loans), if they banks were to be allowed to expand. In the 90′s the loans were securitized for trading by Clinton and the Republican congress. In 2005 when some members of Congress including McCain wanted to regulate Fannie, they were stopped by Dodd and Frank who said Fannie was a great company. And 6 months ago Murtha knew the banks were going to implode but did nothing. Frank, and Dodd both committee chairs for banking business both watch it happen. I often wonder if they didn’t do anything so Obama would win.
Posted by: jschmidt | November 23, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
jschmidt – I agree that the crisis we are in is a result of decades of bad policy, both Democracts and Republicans a part of. You can’t solely point fingers at one individual or party, and it would be short-sighted that all of our problems were caused within the last 8 years, and it would also be a mistake to assume that all of our problems will be fixed within the next 4-8 years, as long as this continues.
Posted by: Rod | November 23, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
BO, YOU ARE JUST AN IGNORANT BITCH, FAGET, ETC….IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT MOVE TO RUSSIA, SAUDIA ARABIA, ETC…AND LIVE! THE U.S.A. IS FOR EVERYBODY, WHO IN THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? I HOPE YOU ARE STERILE BECAUSE I HATE TO KNOW HOW YOU ARE RAISING YOUR KIDS! BITCH
Posted by: jennifer | November 23, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
GHETTO RATS…THAT COULD BE ANY RACE…
AMERICA DOESN’T HAVE ANYTIME FOR IGNORANCE..IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE U.S.A. AND YOU ARE NEGATIVE ABOUT THE NEW PRESIDENT THAN I SUGGEST YOU MOVE…HE GOT TO FIX WHAT BUSH CRACK HEAD BUTT DONE AND IT TAKES TIME…IF YOU CAN DO A BETTER JOB..THAN GET YOUR ASS IN THE SEAT AND DO IT!
Posted by: jennifer | November 23, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
How is he going to pay for a stimulus package, bailouts, an infrastructure program , Afghanistan and on and on? Especially now that he may just let the tax cut for the rich expire in 2011 instead of rescinding it right away. Someone has to pay, or is he going to use the Bush playbook and borrow it from China?
Posted by: Tom in MA | November 23, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
It is utterly amazing to me how easily folks forget history. First, it wasn’t just WWII that got the U.S. and the world out of the Great Depression. Of course knee jerk conservatives are going to point out that 1937 saw a recession but it wasn’t because of Roosevelt continuing the policies of 1933, it was because he probably listened to one of George Will’s mentors and tried to balance the budget and reduce the deficit. Besides, even if you want to argue it was WWII that was solely responsible for ending the Great Depression. Was it because the government went begging the industrialists to build the weapons and equipment to wage war? No, it was because the government did deficit spending and not in a small way either.
Now in regards to people blaming both parties for us being in the shape we are in. It is completely amazing to me how so many conservatives want to ignore the economic success of the Clinton years. Alas, apparently they think the only thing going on then were the investigations into the Clintons. Had this country thought it was more important to keep our fiscal house in order, than to worry about what happens in people’s private lives, this country would be only 1 year away from paying off its debts.
Now for those supply siders who believe reducing taxes on the rich actually benefits everyone through “trickle down economics”, you can’t be more wrong. History shows time and again that even when the rich paid a tax rate of more than 60% this country actually fluorished “http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Timeline.htm”. In 1936 the top rate was raised to 79% and GNP grew by a record 14.1 percent and unemployment fell from 20.1% to 16.9%.
I really enjoyed the round table today, especially when Arianna Huffington and Robert Cutner continued shooting down George Will’s and David Brooks’ insistence that the New Deal failed. It is great to see conservatives finally get put in their place and having their mythological demagoguery dispelled and disproven. Facts are on the side of Liberals. The times we are going through right now finally expose conservative ideas and beliefs for what they are – wrong for the people and only works for the rich.
Posted by: CraigB | November 23, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
I thought this was gonna be Carter 2, but it’s looking more and more like Clinton 3. Either way America gets shafted.
Posted by: Bill | November 23, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
I don’t care just as long as my mortgage and gas are paid for by the Messiah!
Posted by: Maroon | November 23, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
FTA: “Schumer told me, saying Congress is working on getting a major stimulus package on Obama’s desk before Jan. 20.”
BEFORE Jan 20? Obama’s Desk? Sumbiatch can sign it all he wants BEFORE January 20, and it doesn’t mean a thing. HE IS NOT THE PRESIDENT UNTIL JAN 20. GET OVER IT.
Posted by: Obvious | November 23, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
It took bush 8 years to get things messed up. Obama will make it worse in 100 days.
Posted by: Pam | November 23, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
Bo the only ghetto rats getting checks are the ghetto rats and crack heads on Wall Street. I am a real estate broker and owner. You must spend money to stimulate the economic. I guess it was ok when Bush gave out a checks did you send yours back. Take your code racism back to the trail park.
Posted by: Tonyatq | November 23, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
CraigB, “Economic success of the Clinton years?” No, he is also part of the problem of the mess we are in right now leading up to the mortgage and financial crisis. Look at the Community Reinvestment Act that Clinton enacted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act), enforcing lenders to make sub-prime loans to people who in the end could not afford them. Perhaps good intentions, bad idea leading to bad results.
Posted by: Rod | November 24, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
to Jennifer….It’s pretty clear that by the language you use where you were raised. Hey lets all get mad and start cuzing everyone out. That will solve everything. You should be ashamed. How do you if Bush smoked Crack? Did you sell it to him or smoke it with him?
Posted by: Julienne | November 24, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
STIMULOUS CHECKS ATE NOT WHAT GOT US INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE NO, REPUBLICANS GREEDY LIEING,SCAMMING OTHER PEOPLES MONEY IS WHAT DID THAT.I HAVENT SEEN MANY STIMULOUS CHECKS IN MY LIFETIME. TALK ABOUT HYPERINFLATION HERE WE COME? THAT’S WHY STOCKS ARE UP AND GAS IS DOWN FINALLY BECAUSE YOUR QUALIFIED REBUBLICAN IS OUT OF THE OFFICE IF YOU CANT SEE THAT PLAIN AND CLEAR YOU REALLY HAVE HONESTY ISSUES. PEOPLE WANT TO BLAME OBAMA FOR THE WAY THE COUNTRY IS NOW HOW IN THE HECK COULD HE HAVE BORROWED TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND HE IS NOT EVEN PRESIDENT YET, YOU GUYS NEED TO OWN UP TO BUSH’S DIRTY DEEDS YOU ARE SOME REALLY STUIPED PEOPLE IF YOU CANT SEE THAT AND QUIT BLAMING A MAN JUST BECAUSE HE NOT AS STUIPED AS THE ONE YOU VOTED FOR. YOU SIT THERE AND SAY FOR THE LAST 30 YRS WE HAVE BEEN BORROWING MONEY AND PAINTING A ROSY PICTURE AND THE WAY OBAMA SAYS HES GOING TO GET US OUT OF THIS IS TO SPEND AND BORROW MORE, YA KNOW WHAT DON’T BLAME HIM FOR WHAT YOUR OLD PRESIDENT DID HOW ELSE ARE WE GOING TO FIX IT BY GETTING MCCAIN AND DUMB,DUMB PALIN IN THERE YOU NEED TO JUST SIT BACK AND BE QUITE BECAUSE I PROMIS YOU IT CANNOT GET ANY WORSE THAN WHAT YOUR SO CALLED “QUALIFIED” PRESIDENT THAT SCREWED UP EVERYTHING IN AMERICA HAS ALREADY DONE; BUT YOU SON’T WANT TO HEAR THAT THOUGH DO YA? AND BY THE WAY WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT BOROWING MORE MONEY FROM ARE CHILDRENS FUTURE ARE YOU KIDDING ME WHAT FUTURE DID THEY HAVE WITH BUSH IN OFFICE WE HAD ALREADY STARTED LOSING JOBS WHEN THEY WERE KIDS WHAT KINDA JOB DO YOU THINK THEY WERE GOING TO GET WHEN THEY BECAME AN ADULT COME ON PEOPLE START THINKING WITH YOUR HEAD PLEASE NOT THE WAY YOU WEAR RAISED LETS BE REALISTS NOT PESIMISTS. THANKS TO BUSH BORROWING SO MUCH MONEY AND NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT IT FOR SO LONG MAYBE IF THAT WOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED OBAMA COULD GET A LITTLE MONEY AND PEOPLE NOT SAY TO MUCH ABOUT IT BUT NO HE SPENT AL OUR MONEY THEN EVERYONE ELSE’S SO MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT NEED TO TAKE THAT ONE UP WITH BUSH NOT OBAMA.
Posted by: Faith | November 24, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Almost everyone in here is arguing like a bunch of school kids. Shut up! If you think you can do better than maybe running for office next election would be the best road to take. Barack Obama did not create this mess, he is trying to fix it. Who knows what the solution is? We havent tried anything yet. I do not think another stimulus package is the answer either, but i’ll take the money, why not, iraq does and they are not paying taxes. I do. For all those that are anti-obama you should maybe give him a chance and stop being so negitive. If this country doest improve its only because of the negitivity and denial in those that are against him. Why are people so scared Barack Obama isnt going to do good? Half of this country voted and BELIEVED in him!! GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE!! HE IS THE NEW FACE OF AMERICA! DIVERSITY! YAY!!!!
Have a great day!
Posted by: msliz | November 25, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
The economy in simplistic terms.
Unless this simple message gets to someone in our government and they start thinking about it, America is history.
Recession, depression, calamity, cataclysm, pick a name you like because it doesn’t matter what it is called.
“Here is what has finally happened.”
We have been taxed to death.
Plane and simple, we have been taxed out of our homes, taxed out of our gas tanks, taxed to death on our expressways, taxed to death on our food, taxed like idiots on our phone bills and the list goes all the way to the poor house which is actually the white house
Yes you could call it the poor house because soon it will be repossessed too!.
The white house will be repossessed by the countries that we owe balance of payments to.
We have allowed the tax happy local governments to reach into our pockets and take whatever they wanted to charge us for property taxes as they wished until we could no longer afford even our homes.
They use a devious and arbitrary method to get what they want by assigning a value to our homes that makes them happy!
Can you just imagine how much money it takes to make a local tax authority happy??????????????????????
The local property tax authorities has destroyed the whole country!
If you add up all the recurring taxes, the taxes on taxes, the federal taxes, the state taxes, county taxes, sales taxes and so on you are well over the 100% mark.
This is where it all starts to unravel.
So, here we go again with more “one flew over the koo koo’s nest,” “ fixes.”
A little logic here, so pay attention.
The banks are in trouble so we bail them out.
The car companies are in trouble so we bail them out.
Fanny may and freddy Mack are in trouble so we bail them out.
Why are all these business in trouble and need bailing out?
Here is the reason!!!!!!!
It is because we the American people are in trouble & are taxed to death!
SO!
Follow me here!
If all these businesses are bailed out and we the American people are still taxed to death, who are these newly fixed agencies & companies to deal with????
That’s right!
The same bankrupted American population!
Woolahaaaaaa!
Nothing will change and they will all go broke again just like clockwork!
There!
That dose of logic should not be too difficult for our Democratically elected Gods to figure out!
You want to fix America?
Start by fixing the people.
Want more affordable healthcare? Start by mandating the education of more doctors and ban health insurance.
Health insurance companies are a for profit group and will forever drive up healthcare.
Make doctors income tax free!
Bail us out and everything else will fix its self.
Get rid of taxes on personal property. Just stop it. Ban it. Don’t allow it anymore.
Allow no more taxes on peoples homes. It is stupid and evil!
No one can afford these taxes!
Posted by: Taxed to death in Miami | December 7, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
this stimulus package needs to be huge for the working americans not all for the business. i know we need more jobs but we need to help those that have job(jobs) that are struggling to pay bills and to buy groceries, medicines and to put gas in the cars. we would need a huge amount to help stimulus package because if it is just a smaller amount then we would just use it to pay off bills and not go out and buy anything.
Posted by: struggling | December 7, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
If a stimulus for main street is going to happen, 500 or $600 will do absolutly nothing. 5-10k per person will be more apt to spend it in stores and not bills. Although if the credit of American people were adjusted slightly to allow us to pay for our debt and not RAPE us with interest, then thats the stimulus I belive our economy needs.
Posted by: jeff | January 8, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
The idea of a “big” stimulus package is more important than having a “big” figure attached to it. After all, the economic crisis is a psychological crisis, fueled by fear.
The ideal stimuls package would instill hope, and the hope would be based on realistic outcomes. I like any perspective on the economic crisis that introduces an element of hope. As a psychologist, my take on this phenomenon is that it is psychological, based on fear.
The loss of the economy, as we knew it prior to this recent crash, involves a grieving process that I believe will culminate with recovery.
The catalyst for that recovery is hope. Follow the message contained in these songs and you’ll understand what I mean.
Everything is Fallin’ Apart
Dr BLT
words and music by Dr BLT copyright 2008
http://www.drblt.net/music/EveryThingIsDemo2.mp3
Dr BLT altered cover of Blue Oyster Cult classic
http://www.drblt.net/music/DontFearDem2.mp3
and as I said in my totally original Dr. BLTune…
Spread Some New Year Cheer
Dr BLT
copyright 2007 Frosty Rock Records
http://www.drblt.net/music/SpreadDemo2.mp3
BTW, great predictions for a…
Future 2 Behold
Dr BLT
words and music by Dr BLT copyright 2008
http://www.drblt.net/music/future3.mp3
Posted by: Dr BLT | January 14, 2009, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Some of the previous comments listed above really show how ignorant people are!! Tomorrow, 1/20/09, Obama will become the next President of the United States. And some of the ignorant people state that Obama, is getting us into another mess dealing with the stimulus package. But remember, the United States was already screwed up by the president that is leavin. Whether Obama became president or McCain, someone still has to fix the mess that Bush has gotten the United States into. I commend Obama for becoming the next president and try and fix someone elses mess. The united states didn’t just get in this mess since November, its been like this for a couple of years. Tell us American people, who was the president that got us into this mess? BUSH!!!
Posted by: LLT | January 19, 2009, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Bush’s times are gone and done. His stimulus was a failure. Now it is Obama’s time. Obama’s stimulus plan should envision changing regulations & economic policies to have short-term & long-term effects on unemployment, middle-class and the market stability. Strengthening the middle class and creating more job opportunities should be the primary objective of the package, rather than handing the blank check to the Wall Street and failed big corporations.
Posted by: David Dzidzikashvili | January 23, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
I’m retired so how does a stimulus package help the retirees? $1200 the last one. No where near enough! Our government has given away billions and it doesn’t know who is in chartge. They still don’t think we are very smart. How about giving each person $200,000 to start. I bet the economy will boom.Stop giving our money to a few.
Posted by: Gregory Wilson | January 23, 2009, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
I voted for Obama. I had no idea what he actually was going to do when he got elected I just knew I should vote for him since he was talked about so much. Now he is planning to spend more money than the government could ever hope to repay to get us out of this re/depression. That makes so much sense I’ll try that at home too. I’ll put as much as I can on my credit cards so that I can spend money on a new car and a cool suit so I look good then I’ll get a good job even though I have no experience or training and I’ll be able to pay back all that money with no problem. Spend my way out of my previous debt and financial ruin. Why didn’t I think of that?
Posted by: Demo Crate | January 28, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am
If you agree with the following Stimulus Plan, please call your elected officials ASAP.
The NO Pork Stimulus Plan
*$15K tax credit for private Home Buyers
*$5K tax credit for New Car Buyers
*Reduce the 2 lowest tax brackets to 5% and 10% respectively
*Reduce the corporate tax rate to 5%
*Develop 2 capital gains classes – one for passive investors/employees of public companies @ 20%, one for active investors, business owners who take personal risk @ 5%
*Offer employers a $5K incentive for each new employee hired and retained at least 6 months
*Offer employers a $5K incentive for each new employee hired and retained at least 6 months, where the employee is offered health insurance and the employer pays 50% or more of the cost
*Provide up to $10K credit for property tax for citizens over 70 with total assets (other than their primary residence) totaling less than $1 million
*Provide a $2K voucher or tax credit for healthcare to every citizen who pays more than 30% of their healthcare for out of pocket expenses or towards insurance
*Provide an amount to each state equal to $500 per person for use on upgrading existing infrastructure/school facilities
Posted by: Barbara Heine | February 5, 2009, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
I belive Bush to be one of the greatest presidents in history. He gave us the people a chance and we blew it not him. he gave us a military base were we have long needed one and less than 5,000 solders gladly gave there lives to give us the security of haveing that base to protect our future freedom. He expanded our borders making us the largest country in history. Now we have a president that is trying his hardest and so many are waiting for him to fix there problems. Well heres a hint you get paid for what you are worth and if your cars arn’t worth buying at the price your asking then maybe its time to cut the cost of producing it to cut the final price till it is. if you are a mortgage broker that has lost your job maybe its becouse you don’t have the service to sell that we want to buy. no one is buying typewrighters anymore and i don’t hear anyone complaining about it. we are americans its time to pull our heads out of our asses and remember we get paid for what we produce and laziness doesn’t produce anything. if you are broke its becouse you choose to be broke in america. this is the land of oppertunity. you ether get off your lazy ass and get it or you don’t. we don’t care what color you are we care what can you produce. so look at your self in the mirror and ask what am i worth? what would i pay someone else to do what i do? if we get to work the ecconomy will change if we don’t it won’t and the president will be throughing all our money away for nothing. join me, stand up as fearless americans and show the world that we are not afraid becouse we are americans and when push comes to shove no one can stand in our way. you wan’t to see obama become great then stand up lift him on our sholders and work on making money, get off the well fair create a job. hire a house keeper. remodle your home. visit your dentist. get off the couch, volinter your time to a hospital or a lybrary. do something productive. produce something. help your neabor paint his house or mow his yard. plant a tree, or a garden. go visit an old person just for fun they need your love too. feel our country with love and watch how beutifull it can bloom. put a stop to why me. well i desirve this or that becouse i am ….bla bla bla. stop asking what our contry can do for you but what you can do for our contry.
Posted by: charley | February 27, 2009, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
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