Nov 3, 2008 7:48am
Poll Cats — One Day Out
Last Quinnipiac battleground polls:
Florida – 47-45 Obama
Ohio – 50-43 Obama
Pennsylvania – 52-42 Obama
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Last Quinnipiac battleground polls:
Florida – 47-45 Obama
Ohio – 50-43 Obama
Pennsylvania – 52-42 Obama
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Obama is SURGING in the very last polls!!!
GALLUP’s final poll: + 11 !!!
ZOGBY’s final poll: + 7 !!!
NBC’s final poll: + 8 !!!!
etc!
Wohooooooooooo
McCain is going down!!!!
Palin back to Alaska!!!!!!!!!!
Wooooooohoooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: kat | November 3, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am
And where are Sarah’s medical records? Doesn’t she want us to know for sure about her fake pregnancy and her abortions? Need to see those today!
Posted by: Janet | November 3, 2008, 7:58 am 7:58 am
Ohio and Penn. are clearly locks for Obama. McCain will probably win Florida thanks to a late surge among undecideds and the Crist machine, but it won;t manner in the overall picture. McCain doesn’t win the presidency with Florida alone.
Posted by: matt | November 3, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am
Hey where is Palin’s medical records and what about the Troopergate results? The personnel board was supposed to meet last Thursday to go over the investigators findings?
Posted by: Teri | November 3, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am
I, too, wonder about Palin’s medical records. Seems very strange….
As for the coal industry, regardless of who is elected, coal is pretty much history unless the industry can figure out a way to get a clean burn. Pumping the CO2 underground doesn’t seem a good solution for a number of reasons.
Posted by: Joel | November 3, 2008, 8:03 am 8:03 am
Palin’s medical records?
Where are Obama’s medical records?
Where’s the interview with his drug dealer?
Where’s the coverage of Obama enabling fraudulent campaign contributions?
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am
Gallup’s latest:
“Obama’s favorable rating is 62% — the highest that any presidential candidate has registered in Gallup’s final pre-election polls going back to 1992.”
YES, WE CAN!!!
OBAMA POTUS 2008 – 2016
Posted by: greta | November 3, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am
Steve Cuozzo,
I admire your galantry but man give it up now.
IT’S OVER.
E_DAY – 1: ELECTORAL COLLEGE EV POLLS
Obama 353
McCain 185
No miracle is possible for McCain.
The Lord sayeth. Here cometh your leader President Barack Obama. Welcome thee in thy heart as my messenger in whom I am well pleased. Amen.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | November 3, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am
KAT-
The republicans have already bankrupt this Country. Wake up!!!!!!!
Posted by: CMister | November 3, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am
Obama will bankrupt coal.
Obama will cause electricity costs to skyrocket.
Imagine the effect on poor people.
Not that any Obamatons care.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am
Stop this coal nonsense this morning. Mccain too favors the cap policy on coal. Go to foxnews and read about it. they both want clean coal but yet we all know there is nothing like clean coal. Stop scaring voters. No President can just end coal Production in America. They both want to gradually replace Coal with clean coal. Stop spreading stories from Drudge.
Posted by: vuzous | November 3, 2008, 8:07 am 8:07 am
“where is mccain record of drug use”
His records are quite public.
Now let’s see Obama record of military service.
Oh wait, he has none. Obama has served no one beside himself.
Obama has not released anything other than a summary.
He is a chain smoker whose mother died of cancer. His medical history is important.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am
New Hampshire Union Leader Endorses John McCain
“Barack Obama has no experience — none. He may be the most unprepared major-party candidate ever. His own vice presidential pick says our enemies will test him quickly and severely. There is no good reason to take that chance.” Joseph W. McQuaid, New Hampshire Union Leader
Posted by: Steave Cuozzo | November 3, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am
Obama: We’ll bankrupt any new coal plants
In Obama’s own words transcribed video
Let me sort of describe my overall policy.
What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.
I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to
the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built,
that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all
that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.
That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological
matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.
It’s just that it will bankrupt them.
Posted by: Steave Cuozzo | November 3, 2008, 8:10 am 8:10 am
Posted by: vuzous | Nov 3, 2008 8:07:35 AM
OK, let’s go overe this again:
“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”
That’s pretty clear.
Obama will destroy you if you inveest in coal.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 8:10 am 8:10 am
Cindy McCain has made nearly 20 trips to Africa to do humanitarian work.
Michelle Obama has made 100 trips to Neiman Marcus.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 8:12 am 8:12 am
Obama says not wanting to pay all your money in taxes is selfish.
It’s selfish if you don’t want Obama to spread it around.
But here’s the question- if spreading the wealth around is so great, why hasn’t Obama spread his wealth around to the “guy behind him”?
Obama has spread NONE of his wealth around.
But he wants to spread ours around.
The typical liberal- a person who’s very generous with YOUR money.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
Today, one day before election day, Obama has surged to a record AVERAGE of more than 51% of the national vote.
So, the race is over for McCain and Palin.
Stop bickering about medical records or coal quotes: it simply makes no sense anymore.
Palin will be back in Alaska this very week. And Obama will be POTUS.
Posted by: peter | November 3, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
It will take a pretty overwhelming victory to overcome the well entrenched Republican vote suppression efforts. Funny how those hours long lines are never in the Republican districts, nor how anyone has repeatable examples of voting machines flipping votes to Obama (as there are of machines in inexplicably flipping votes to McCain).
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
What is it about San Francisco that makes Barack Obama so amazingly honest about his disdain for rural Americans and their way of life? First, it was the site where he labeled rural voters as “bitter” because they value their religion and their Second Amendment rights.
Now, in a newly released audio recording, Barack Obama makes clear that the coal industry will be “bankrupt” if they build more coal plants in America.
Posted by: Steave Cuozzo | November 3, 2008, 8:18 am 8:18 am
Steave Cuozzo: “Coal can be processed by new clean methods.”
Obama: “if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it”
You seem confused Steave. Obama’s quite happy for clean coal plants to be built. You say the methods are there. So what’s your problem?
You don’t like the idea of new coal plants being clean?
Posted by: Aengil | November 3, 2008, 8:22 am 8:22 am
Obama has the same policy with coal that McCain does. The only difference is he is not a desperate pathetic old man who feels the need to take things out of context for political points.
Posted by: jim | November 3, 2008, 8:23 am 8:23 am
Folks, WAKE UP!
Obama has his BEST day in the national polls so far TODAY; and tomorrow is Election Day.
So, it’s over for McCain.
Take Gallup’s Final Poll: Obama + 11
Or CBS: Obama + 13
Or ABC/WaPo: Obama + 11
What more indicators do you need?
Obama is the BIG WINNER of these elections.
And Palin, with her surplus in negative favorability ratings, is the biggest loser.
Posted by: megan | November 3, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am
Steave Cuozzo: “Now, in a newly released audio recording, Barack Obama makes clear that the coal industry will be “bankrupt” if they build more coal plants in America. ”
What is it about Republicans? Do they really only have lies and slander to run on, or are they honestly this bad at basic comprehension of the English language? In a country with a literacy rate in the high 90s, are they just counting on their cult-like base to never bother reading the actual discussion in question?
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am
You know 95.9% of the ads for Mc Cain and Palin are NOT true,they have been cut stripped and used only a part or it is a damn down out right lie.This is all they have to offer this nation and they get elected God help us>>>>>>>>
Posted by: nh voter | November 3, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
Regarding the Obama audio on coal: The entire coal industry employs less than 100,000 people nation-wide. Even if they all voted for McCain, McCain will still lose this election by 20 million votes. Who cares about dirty coal. Those folks were going to vote for McCain any way. In fact Obama has the most accepting position amongst Democrats on coal. Hillary wanted to outright ban the building of new coal plants. Obama actually took criticism from Hillary for supporting coal. Democrats do not support coal, period.
Posted by: Kevin | November 3, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
To those who harbor contempt for Obama, What are McCains plans for Health Care, Education, the middle class, Jobs, the Economy, Iraq. Because his retoric and divisivness are more resounding then his policies. If He or any of you were concerned about America you would judge the both men based on his policies as oppose his party or appearence.
Posted by: Joe | November 3, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am
McCain’s campaign strategy: smear of the day.
Now Obama’s a socialist/pinko/baby killing/elitist/Racist/celebrity/anti-American/anti-Semite/Troop Hating/Muslim/Terrorist/Coal Hater.
Who we forgetting here? ah facist. I’m sure someone on the right has said this too.
Posted by: thorfinn | November 3, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am
Where are Palin medical records comming for what now????????????
Posted by: nh voter | November 3, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am
That pretty much sums it up. Well, at least you know your man.
Posted by: jcarob | November 3, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am
Pre-Election TO DO LIST for McCain/Palin dead-enders:
-Refill Prozac prescription
-Pick up some Alka Seltzer
-Buy a bottle of Jack Daniels (in case options 1 and 2 don’t help) and a bag of ice.
-Put gun locks on all firearms and lock away all sharp objects (remember to give keys to lefty neighbor down the block)
-Buy jumbo pack of Kleenex.
-Sign up for Cheese of the Month Club to accomodate your next 4 years of whining.
Posted by: Bud | November 3, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am
Steave Cuozzo
So? How many people in America workl in the coal industry? And more importantly: How many of them were goign to vote for Obama before thisa udio? You guys are desperate. The coal industry is smaller than a high school population. This is preaching to the BASE. In Pennsylvania the coal industry employs less than 20,000 people. The largest coal population (about 50,000) is in West Virginia. Nobody cares about dirty coal. Is this the best Republicans have? Wow, you guys are truly pathetic.
Posted by: Kevin | November 3, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am
I went to McCain’s website and watched his ad.
“I’ll make the next four years better…your savings? We’ll rebuild them. We’ll grow new jobs.”
We’ll do this, we’ll do that, we
ll shake up Washington, but HOW? Who is skimpy on specifics now?
“I KNOW how to catch bin Laden. I know it!”
Great, tell us how then! Or more importantly, why haven’t you told Bush or the over-taxed soldiers in Afghanistan so they can quickly go home?!
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
dr. john ther are many people who are presidents who are not vets.
and just because mccain was a pow does not qualify him for president.
i honor him for what he suffered but obama does not have to have a mil record to be president.
it is not what mccain suffered in vietnam that we should be concerned about.
it is what he will do for the american people in the next four years to get us out of this mess.
mccain is not for the working people of this country.
poor middle class and working people need to vote their interest this time
vote obama biden
Posted by: what?! | November 3, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am
Michael,
IBD has used some unreliable party and demographic weightings, which may be the reason for this skew. Also, polling on weekends- especially when there’s been a public holiday, is known to have a higher chance of inaccuracy.
Anyhow, most polls show Obama ahead by a significant number, so it’s most likely an outlier.
And Obama only needs Kerry+ Colorado+Iowa+New Mexico, and he’s won the election.
Sorry, he and McCain have the same coal policies, that’s not true.
It’s the end already, too little, too late.
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
“dr. john ther are many people who are presidents who are not vets.”
True.
But Obama has given nothing to his country. That’s the point. It’s all about Obama, and it always has been. McCain has given much to his country. Obama has been running for President his entire life.
You’d have a good argument if Obama actually “spread” his wealth around, but he never has. This is the usual liberal tripe. It’s hypocrisy. Obama wants from us something he wasn’t willing to give himself.
I do not respect a man like that.
Obama really has a Marxist streak running through him.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
“IBD has used some unreliable party and demographic weightings,”
OBD was the most accurate poll in 2004.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
“Obama says not wanting to pay all your money in taxes is selfish.”
Don’t it make your blue eyes brown, spreading all this fertilizer?
Obama doesn’t want to take all of ANYBODY’s money. He wants to shave a few percentage points off the wealthy.
And if you are clearing a cool quarter million a year in profit, see this? It’s the world’s smallest violin, playing “My Heart Bleeds for You”.
And what’s all this nonsense about coal? We all know the externalities of dirty coal (acid rain, global warming, increased death rates, etc) exceed any benefit from burning it. Hell, we’ve known that for a century. Unless the companies using coal have those “externalities” forcefully transformed into costly “internalities”, they’ve got no economic incentive to clean up their act. Both candidates recognize these realities, and their coal policies aren’t terribly different from one another.
Tapper says “poll”, posters hear “coal”, and suddenly we’re off on another goofy tangent.
Posted by: Yukon Sam | November 3, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am
The comment about Joew is a good one.
One liberal reporter claimed that someone yelled “kill him” at a Palin rally and the media blasted it all over creation.
It was false, but no one reported THAT.
Now Joe has been threatened with death, and NO ONE in the MSM wants to cover it.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
drjohn,
This whole “Spread the wealth” is a lie. He may have said that, but his tax policies are no way Communist. He’s just giving people tax credits and letting the TAX CUTS for the upper-income expire.
The whole principle our tax system is based on is socialist, really. We taxpayers pay taxes to the Fed Govt, govt uses money to build roads, public facilities, to pay the public officials, to pay for things like the Armed Forces, the fire brigade, the police, the dispatcher who answers the phone when you dial 911 and so on.
I don’t think any of you would like to do away with any of these “Socialist” programs.
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
drjohn,
Alot has changed since 2004.
The voting demographics have changed, party affiliation has changed- like it or not, more people identify themselves as Dems as compared in 2004. More younger voters are voting, many people who did not bother to vote are going to vote.
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
Grey Matter- you can rationalize it all you want. But when you give a tax cut to 95% of the people and 40% of them do not pay federal taxes to begin with it IS “spreading the wealth” ala Socialist welfare.
Posted by: NotACommie | November 3, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
Obama-Biden have said they want to bankrupt the US coal industry and let China take all the coal jobs plus make us dependent on Chinese coal.
Posted by: geevill | November 3, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
“And what’s all this nonsense about coal?”
Maybe you didn’t hear Biden saying that there would be no “clean coal” in an Obama administration.
Where do you think electricity comes from?
The electricity fairy?
Obama has said that he would cause electricity costs to “skyrocket” and and that he would bankrupt coal plants.
He said those things.
We did not make them up.
And on top of that, he made clear that he wants goverment price controls.
That ALWAYS fails.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am
Come on Obama/Biden supporters!! Make sure that you and everyone else you know votes tomorrow (if you haven’t already) — even if it means standing in line for 4 hours. Victory is around the corner — let’s bring it home!!
Posted by: Happy days are here again | November 3, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am
Just make sure that when McCain wins during the upset that you only burn your own neighborhoods. Be respectful in your rioting and stay away from anywhere important.
Posted by: NotACommie | November 3, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
NotaCommie,
Actually Nazi Germany was a fascist system-a.k.a the extreme right. And Khmer Rouge in Cambodia were Communist. Both, were totalitarian.
There’s the similarity even though they’re actually polar opposites of political ideology.
And those Southern Democrats left for the Republican party after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, and now guess which party dominates in the South? not the Democratic Party. I am not saying all Republicans are racist, but the party has been hijacked by the extreme right as of late.
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
“This whole “Spread the wealth” is a lie. He may have said that, but his tax policies are no way Communist. He’s just giving people tax credits and letting the TAX CUTS for the upper-income expire.”
Giving people who pay nothing is a HANDOUT.
And I strongly believe that everyone ought to contribute to their own social security, as well as contribute something to the country from which they take so much.
But now you hear Democrats saying how happy they are because with Obama they won’t have to worry about putting gas in their cars, pay their mortgages or buying food. I kid you not.
What you miss is that letting Bush tax cuts expire is going to raise nearly EVERYONE’s taxes.
And what do you think that Barney Frank, Pelosi and Reid will do to that so-called 250K limit?
It’ll be 75K by the time they’re done.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
Grey Matter- Nazi Germany was a socialist state with authoritarian rule. The party was called the National Socialist party for a reason. They even had the SS like Obama’s “Civilian Security Force” and a centrally managed economy. I was actually referring to the Soviet Union but thats ok – Hitler will do.
As for the “Right” being racist. This comes from the left that thinks it is OK that 95% of minorities are voting for Obama. Surely, it has nothing to do with skin color.
Posted by: NotACommie | November 3, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
NotACommie,
Those that don’t pay taxes, how do they get anymore of a cut? Those that are given cuts are those who are victims of the economic meltdown.
Welfare? Do you know among the people who need welfare, there are many of veterans? Veterans who have fought and bled for America, some whom has lost partial function of their body, and are dependent on welfare because of the bureaucratic red-tape in handling their cases and arranging compensation? People who were surviving fine until they got cancer or an illness that just wiped out their savings? People who’d like to support themselves and would if they could, but can’t?
Great, so you’re just paying the rate of taxes before Bush tax cuts if you’re in the upper-income bracket. If you’ve still got your house, your car, most of your money and the government hasn’t tried to annex your company, congratulations, you are not living in a socialist or communist country.
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
“Alot has changed since 2004.”
I’m sure that IBD is stupid and doesn’t know that.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Notacommie: “Also, the KKK was all Southern Democrats. ”
Right, it WAS. Now it IS all Republican, like David Duke. How many black Republicans are there in the US Congress? Zero. Not one. Democrats have a proportion of black Congress members that roughly matches the proportion of black Americans.
Why do the Republicans have NOT ONE black member of Congress? How is that even statistically possible?
I DO NOT believe all Republicans are racist. My father is a Republican and he is certainly not racist. However, I DO believe that all racists vote Republican, the party that does not have any black member in any of the hundreds of highest positions (federal level Congress).
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
NotACommie,
The Democratic Republic of Korea, aka North Korea calls it the aforementioned name. Is it a democracy?
They can call themselves what they want. It’s accepted the system of governance was fascist, and a dictatorship, nonetheless.
I never said that “right-wing” ideology itself was racist. I said the Republican party has been hijacked by the extreme right- some who harbour views that are very disappointing 40 years after the end of segregation. So what if they’re voting for Obama?
It’s different if they’re voting FOR Obama, and not “AGAINST” McCain. Bush won quite a large but of the Hispanic vote. African-Americans are mostly Democratic voters- most of them voted for WHITE Democratic presidents anyhow. Because it’s Obama, naturally he’s someone they can identify with and he has energized them.
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
“Posted by: jhw539 | Nov 3, 2008 9:07:16 AM”
How old are you?
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
“Those that don’t pay taxes, how do they get anymore of a cut?”
“Gray matter” Surely, you understand the difference between a tax credit and a deduction?
A tax credit means you get the money regardless of what you pay. Meaning if you pay 0 taxes you get a “rebate”.
A tax deduction lowers the your taxable earnings. Meaning if you pay 0 taxes you have no taxable earnings you do not get a “rebate”.
Obama chose the former so he can pass out checks to people that don’t pay. It’s called welfare / vote buying.
Surely, someone who would label their self “gray matter” knew the distinction.
Posted by: NotACommie | November 3, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
NotACommie: “As for the “Right” being racist. This comes from the left that thinks it is OK that 95% of minorities are voting for Obama. Surely, it has nothing to do with skin color.”
How is it statistically possible that there is not a single black Republican in the national Congress? Not one? Is it unreasonable for black Americans to register disapproval of a party that, based on hard facts, does not allow black members even 0.4% of the most powerful positions?
When I see an all white, 250 member golf club in a town where over one out of ten people are black it does raise a few questions.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Meanwhile….ANOTHER Republican jumps ship:
Jeffrey Heart (full post at The Daily Beast) says Obama the true conservative:
A speechwriter for Reagan and Nixon—who worked at the National Review for four decades—on why he’s voting for Obama.
It may be something of a surprise that, as a long time conservative, I now support Barack Obama. In 1968, I was a speechwriter first for Ronald Reagan, when Governor of California, then, as Richard Nixon became the presidential nominee, a speechwriter for Nixon, working at his home office at 450 Park Avenue. I became a senior editor at National Review in 1969, a position I held until recently.
Posted by: Already Voted | November 3, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am
NotACommie,
Okay, our views on taxes differ greatly. Look, the whole deal with tax rebates increases the purchasing power of the people. The upper-income don’t need this money, they’ll stash it away in banks or whatnot. The middle-class does. Money like this will go into school uniforms, gas, groceries and help drive the economy. That’s my view.
Now can you please tell me WHY you are voting for McCain instead of why Obama is so terrible?
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am
Notacommie: “A tax credit means you get the money regardless of what you pay. Meaning if you pay 0 taxes you get a “rebate”.
A tax deduction lowers the your taxable earnings. Meaning if you pay 0 taxes you have no taxable earnings you do not get a “rebate”.
Obama chose the former so he can pass out checks to people that don’t pay. It’s called welfare / vote buying.”
Right, a tax credit is like Alaska’s general fund checks they send out every year regardless of whether you paid a single cent of tax. Another example of a tax credit is the Earned Income Credit, invented and put into Federal law by that notorious socialist Ronald Reagan.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am
I tell you that the real conservatives in this country should endorse (quietly) Obama’s campaign because he was raised through age 30 under 10 years of Kennedy/Johnson/Carter but 20 of Nixon/Ford/Reagan policies.
1. This shows that he prospered under relatively conservative policies.
2. He is the fruit of the “color blind” policies that were being pushed.
3. If elected, a lot the rationale for affirmative action and similar race-based quotas goes away because the system did work. He saw his opportunities and took them.
4. If he were a little more conservative (maybe a lot more), he would be the poster child of those folks.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | November 3, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
“Right, it WAS. Now it IS all Republican, like David Duke. How many black Republicans are there in the US Congress? Zero. Not one. Democrats have a proportion of black Congress members that roughly matches the proportion of black Americans.”
There’s one Kleagle in Congress. One.
Robert Byrd.
Republicans supported Michael Steele.
Democrats called him an Oreo cookie.
Republicans supported Clarence Thomas.
Democrats called him an Uncle Tom.
Democrats have been as kind to Condi Rice as well.
Black Republicans are rountinely racially derided by Democrats.
Who would want to go through that?
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
drjohn: ”
“Posted by: jhw539 | Nov 3, 2008 9:07:16 AM”
How old are you?”
Oh lovely, in face of irrefutable facts I see you have moved to the personal attacks portion of the Rove playbook. My age does not matter and is entirely irrelevant since it is an unverifiable datapoint. Can you perhaps respond to the VERIFIABLE FACTS I have presented or the stated logic of my arguments instead of winding up on a tirade about how a mid-thirties white man doesn’t understand blah blah blah.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
drjohn: “Black Republicans are rountinely racially derided by Democrats.
Who would want to go through that?”
Colin Powell?
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
drjohn,
In 2004, there were a considerable number of African-American delegates for the Republicans. In 2008, the number was in single digits.
With the race-baiting and stereotypes the Republican party has been playing on to attack the Democratic ticket, I can see why minorities would not support them. Some atrocious e-mails that were sent out by GOP committee members had one where it urged Jewish voters not to “make the same mistakes their ancestors did in 1930s Europe”. They retracted it, but it says alot when they allow such garbage to get out repeatedly.
The guy at one of Palin’s rallies who said Obama was a Muslim when introducing her? Playing on the whole Islamophobia and negative stereotypes of Muslims and Arab-Americans?
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am
To clarify,
That e-mail sent out to Jewish voters was likening the Holocaust and Hitler to Obama.
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
“3. If elected, a lot the rationale for affirmative action and similar race-based quotas goes away because the system did work. He saw his opportunities and took them.”
It ought to be, but it’s not that way.
Obama is the anti-JFK. He is the antithesis of JFK.
People really think that he’s going to send them checks- cash money. I am serious.
Obama has tapped into the selfish side of people. He has played class warfare. He does not ask that anyone work hard. He wants those who pay for everything now to make more sacrifices, but asks nothing of those who consume all the resources.
Handing people money does nothing. Providing them opportunities is what works.
Government can’t do it- government needs to provide the environment in which it happens.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
“With the race-baiting and stereotypes the Republican party has been playing on to attack the Democratic ticket,”
This is a load of crap.
It was Obama who said “And I did I mention that he’s black?” over and over. Obama was the one who race-baited. He made a racial straw man and people like you got sucked right into it.
Republicans said nothing about race and If you can’t prove that either McCain or Palin race-baited in this campaign then no one ought to listen you at all.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
Nice, maybe the sheeple finally have woke up to realize what a liar McBush is and that he cannot be trusted.
Jiff
Posted by: Josh Minor | November 3, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
drjohn,
Alright, let’s say we “provide the environment” instead.
Look, we’ve got to fund the federal government in order to allow it to do it’s job- even if it’s “small” government. We are in trillions of dollars of debt, we owe the Chinese over a trillion for the Iraq war tab which they have partially helped us pick up, the economy has crashed, and McCain wants to give people health credits and whatnot but doesn’t want to raise anyone’s taxes. That is unrealistic in a time like this.
HOW is he going to fund the government, let alone all those programs he wants to have?
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
“A tax deduction lowers the your taxable earnings. Meaning if you pay 0 taxes you have no taxable earnings you do not get a “rebate”.”
That is right on the face of it, but…
95% of Americans cannot get a tax credit because 40% pay nothing now. Obama has said both “95% of working Americans” and “95% of Americans” interchangeably.
Obama is planning on sending out those checks to offset FICA contributions.
That’s absolutely the wrong thing to do.
Those paying the least into the system take out most of the benefits.
Do you think everyone should contribute to their own social security?
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Nice to see the McCain dead-enders are still with us and still full of delusional thoughts.
Don’t forget your TO DO LIST, you’ll need those items in just 36 hours from now.
Posted by: Bud | November 3, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
drjohn,
I didn’t say specifically McCain and Palin said stuff like that- but some of the people at their rallies. People who helped introduce them onstage have said such garbage. RNC members sending out e-mail soliciting donations or rumours about Obama being a Muslim and a terroris-sympathizer.
I already mentioned, one disgusting e-mail some Jewish-Americans got comparing voting for Obama to be a mistake on the same level as the Jews not seeing the signs during the Nazi’s and Hitler’s ascent. Questioning Obama’s patriotism, saying stuff like how he’s “not like us” those kind of insinuations, starting a culture war over “real America” and “pro-America” is subtly playing on stereotypes- racial ones too- and Islamophobia.
Michelle Bachmann said she though Obama had anti-American views. Joe McCain called the Northern part of Virginia Communist Country because it was leaning Democratic. With this kind of polarization and playing on all kinds of stereotypes- not just racial ones, the GOP has run a divisive campaign.
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
“HOW is he going to fund the government, let alone all those programs he wants to have?”
There sure as hell aren’t enough rich to pay for everything he wants. Thus “rich” will have to be redefined.
That is my point.
What do you have when 20% of the population pays ALL the taxes but the other 80% get to control them?
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
“I didn’t say specifically McCain and Palin said stuff like that- but some of the people at their rallies. People who helped introduce them onstage have said such garbage.”
Yeah, they DARED to use Obama’s middle name.
HUSSEIN.
How dare they?
God help Democrats if they use “Sidney”
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
drjohn: “There sure as hell aren’t enough rich to pay for everything he wants. Thus “rich” will have to be redefined.”
Cute how you completely ignore the fact that McCain’s proposals have been calculated to COST MORE than Obama’s. How is MCCAIN going to pay for “everything he wants”/has promised? How?
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
drjohn,
Sure, when they say “Barack HUSSEIN Obama” and then you have people chanting terrorist, what kind of reaction do you think they were trying to get?
We are not stupid. Some people here simply like typing his middle-name in capslock for some reason too. Of course if they didn’t place undue emphasis on his middle name, there’s nothing wrong. It’s painfully, and very disappointingly obvious why the over-emphasis on his middle-name by some people. (Some of those people onstage proceeded to say he was a Muslim after stressing “Hussein”)
There is this very ugly Islamophobia out there because of 911. Playing on things like this to scare people about Obama is disgusting, because you are inciting some very ugly parts about America no one wants to see.
There are some of your fellow McCain supporters screaming “Barack HUSSEIN Obama”. Whenever I read a comment like this, I think of Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan and it makes me sad that some of these people have no idea about the sacrifices this Muslim-American soldier made when he died in Iraq.
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Contrary to the Florida polls, early voting exit polls show a large majority for McCain…even though Democrats outweight Republicans in early voting by almost 3 to 1. When the Independents and Republicans vote tomorrow, you’ll see a huge surge for McCain.
Posted by: new liberty | November 3, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
new liberty,
Care to cite your sources?
Posted by: Grey Matter | November 3, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
new liberty: “Contrary to the Florida polls, early voting exit polls show a large majority for McCain”
Could you cite the pollster? I’m sure there must be such an outlier somewhere, but so far the ‘best’ I’ve seen for McCain has him only a point or two behind.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
“Cute how you completely ignore the fact that McCain’s proposals have been calculated to COST MORE than Obama’s. How is MCCAIN going to pay for “everything he wants”/has promised? How?”
I don’t think either really can, but McCain has a better chance.
One incentivizes creation and effort, and one punishes it.
You need to look up “dynamic analysis.”
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
McCain looks extremely peaked in these final hours. Looks like he can’t stand the heat. I think the old ticker will give out soon.
Posted by: Lynda | November 3, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Here is a good example.
Obama wants to place punitive costs on coal to fund R&D for “alternatives.”
Sounds great, but that would raise costs to comsumers enormously, impacting the poor big time.
Obama wants the government to use “price signals” to control the consumption of electricity.
This is socialism.
It would be far better to incentivize development of alternatives. Reward them for doing so, not punish others for this unknown goal.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
It is my most sincere hope that regardless of who is declared the winner tomorrow, that we can get beyond the hate and the fingerpointing and come together.
I often sit back and read these boards in awe of the rhetoric about bipartisanship being co-mingled with the hate and divisiveness.
May God bless and keep us.
Posted by: Jen B. | November 3, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
drjohn: ”
“How is MCCAIN going to pay for “everything he wants”/has promised? How?”
I don’t think either really can, but McCain has a better chance.
One incentivizes creation and effort, and one punishes it.
You need to look up “dynamic analysis.”
”
Right. Just like the tax brackets Obama is suggesting “punished” creation and effort in the 90′s. Or the capital gains tax he is suggesting put a crimp in the economy when Reagan instituted one like it (a bit higher actually) in 1986.
You need to look up reality. Just like your Republican economic theories, Communism sounds fine on paper but is a PROVEN disaster in reality. Why don’t you want to look at reality? Why do you have to rely on theoretical arguments when Obama’s tax proposal has been implemented a couple times before?
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
“McCain looks extremely peaked in these final hours. Looks like he can’t stand the heat. I think the old ticker will give out soon.”
You are the classic and typical Democrat. This is quite the intellectual contribution here.
What was it Grey Matter was saying about Republicans being mean-spirited?
GM- did you know that a liberal radio host in SF called for Joe the Plumber to die?
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Americans will reject Obama because of the “content of his character” not the color of his skin.
I don’t think the majority of Americans will elect a US president with his world view.
Posted by: riley | November 3, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
drjohn: “What do you have when 20% of the population pays ALL the taxes but the other 80% get to control them?”
Democracy with a progressive tax system. You know, like we have now.
Which bit is it you object to? One man, one vote regardless of wealth? Or the wealthy paying more in taxes than the poor?
Posted by: Aengil | November 3, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
What’s up with Palin not following through and releasing her medical records? If she’s not hiding anything, why be the only one to not release the records?
Posted by: KJ | November 3, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
drjohn: “GM- did you know that a liberal radio host in SF called for Joe the Plumber to die?”
Do you really want to get into what conservative talk show hosts have been saying about Obama?
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
“Do you really want to get into what conservative talk show hosts have been saying about Obama?”
Any time.
Who said harm should come to Obama?
Specifically, son.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
“Which bit is it you object to? One man, one vote regardless of wealth? Or the wealthy paying more in taxes than the poor?”
Actually, it’s not what we have now. I don’t really think those who contribute nothing ought to control those who contribute everything.
The wealthy pay almost everything now.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
jhw539 See you fled the other thread. I don’t support either of these clowns. I base my oppisition to Obama on his words and associations.
“To avoid being mistaken for a sell out, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students, The foreign students, The Chicanos, The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.” Barak Obama from “Dreams of My Father.
I have read both of Obama’s books and have been looking into his background for many months; long before he became so controversial after the Wright revelations. What I discovered is:
His father, the focus of his book, was a card carrying member of the Communist Party in Kenya. His mother attended a Marxist high school. His mentor growing up was Frank Marshall Davis, the poet he mentions above, a Communist Party member. His mentor in collage, Saul Alinski, his pastor the reverend Wright, his friends Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn Ayers, all Marxists. Early “Official Bloggers” on his own web site, Sam Graham Felsen and Mike Kolnsky are Marxists. He has been endorsed by Carl Davison a Marxist who serves as a national steering committee member of United for Peace and Justice a Marxist organization. The Communist Party USA endorses Obama and says that after all these years “its time has come”? He supports, and has campaigned for Kenya’s Raila Odinga, his cousin, a Marxist terrorist. He trained organizers for and served as a lawyer for, ACORN, a Marxist organization. He advocates the redistribution of wealth an idea right out of Karl Marx’s writings. In order for a government to redistribute wealth they must first confiscate it from those who have produced it as government only consumes wealth they do not produce it. Guilt by association; or birds of a feather perhaps?
Posted by: Retired old guy | November 3, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Here’s a quote for all of you:
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.”
Can anyone tell us who said it, when and what it described?
It’s a quiz. I know the answer.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Obama-Biden have said they want to bankrupt the US coal industry and let China take all the coal jobs plus make us dependent on Chinese coal.
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Republican Strategy – Lie & attack first – facts not important. Drudge/Fox/NewsBusters fall in line.
Meanwhile, the real story and great video of McCain on the Senate Floor discussing the coal industry available at The Jed Report.
Posted by: Already Voted | November 3, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Gallop Poll’s dirty little secrets.
“Obama was able to match McCain in maintaining party loyalty toward his candidacy: 91% of Democrats say they will vote for Obama”
“In the final poll, 38% of U.S. adults identified as Democrats, 34% as independents and 26% as Republicans. Among likely voters, the figures are 39%, 31% and 29%, respectively”
Gallop predicting Obama gets 91% of Democrats. And Democrats will out vote GOP by 10%.
WRONG and WRONGER!
watch out for PUMAs tomorrow!
Posted by: geevill | November 3, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Posted by: Already Voted | Nov 3, 2008 10:13:34 AM
It’s what Obama said.
Make electric rates “skyrocket.”
Punish coal companies.
Bankrupt new plants.
It IS what Obama said.
Democrats have hidden Obama and Biden over the last few days so they cannot blurt out the truth or answer to any of these statements.
Posted by: drjohn | November 3, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
dewde
That is right and one of them is Barack Obama. “There are none as blind as those who will not see.” He is telling in his book.
Posted by: Retired old guy | November 3, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
It’s what Obama said.
Make electric rates “skyrocket.”
Punish coal companies.
Bankrupt new plants.
It IS what Obama said.
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It’s what McCain said too, but I guess context is irrelevant to far right wingers.
The actual McCain video is available at Jed Report – here is just a bit of the REAL story:
Here’s the facts that the McCain-Drudge-FOX axis of weasel does not want you to know: The Chronicle had not concealed the recording, which had been on the newspaper’s website all along. And rather than reveal some sinister scheme, what it actually demonstrated was that Barack Obama supported clean coal technology — a position he shares with none other than John McCain.
Despite the fact that both candidates support clean coal technology, the McCain campaign tried to make the case that Barack Obama wanted to take away jobs from coal country in Ohio and Pennsylvania, and both Drudge and FOX were happy to oblige.
But just three years ago on the floor of the United States Senate, John McCain’s Republican colleague George Voinovich of Ohio took to the floor to argue against a proposal by McCain to curb greenhouse gas emissions. McCain’s proposal, Voinovich said, would “put coal out of business” and cost thousands of jobs, an argument that McCain did not contest.
Posted by: Already Voted | November 3, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
If Obama wins in any of the coal-mining states then they deserve whatever wrath he sends their way.
Posted by: meggie | November 3, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Concerned in OH Hey, we have already established that we can’t use his words against him. “The “True Believers” don’t care what he said.
Posted by: Retired old guy | November 3, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
there are so many republicans running around hysterically screaming ‘the sky is falling’ that they’ve forgotten that the current Bush & Cheney regime is responsible for just about all of what they’re screaming about…… Repubs have such short memories and what they do remember is selective at best……..
be happy….republicans got to raid the treasury and line their pockets bigtime before they were ousted.
Posted by: Blue | November 3, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Concerned in OH: ” You also heard the radio clip of the militant liberal talker directly say “I want Joe the Plumber dead”.”
I was directly responding to a question. No, I have not heard the clip. Please post your cite. Thanks.
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
jhw539 I don’t support either of these clowns. I base my opposition to Obama on his words and associations. Still awaiting your comment.
Posted by: Retired old guy | November 3, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
It was re: a MCCAIN AMENDMENT:
Here’s more from Voinovich’s statement:
On one side of this debate, there are proposals to create a mandatory domestic program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, such as the amendment that will be proposed by Senator McCain, to my understanding, and I strongly urge my colleagues to vote against this amendment.
It is my understanding that the amendment, according to Charles Rivers Associates, which analyzed its provisions, would cause the loss of 24,000 to 47,000 Ohio jobs, in 2010, and energy-intensive industries to shrink by 2.3 to 5.6 percent in 2020. We are talking about manufacturing industries, energy-intensive manufacturing and chemical and many others.
The McCain amendment will put coal out of business by forcing fuel switching to natural gas.
And John McCain’s counter-argument:
Does it involve some sacrifice on the part of the American people? Yes. … This amendment, I am sure, will be attacked–thousands of jobs will be lost, we will find some obscure scientist, some will talk about the dangers of encouraging the use of nuclear power. The fact is, we are going to win on this issue. The reason we are going to win is because every single month there is another manifestation of the terrible effects of what climate change is doing to our Earth.
Far right wingers – lie and attack first – facts irrelevant.
Posted by: Already Voted | November 3, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Despite months of attacks on Obama’s allegedly sinister background, 57% of voters in the new NBC/WSJ poll say Obama has a set of values they can identify with.
Posted by: Blue | November 3, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
drjohn: “Can anyone tell us who said it, when and what it described?”
No, they can’t. It’s an anonymous quote. While it’s often attributed to Tytler, it’s not in any of his published works.
“Actually, it’s not what we have now. I don’t really think those who contribute nothing ought to control those who contribute everything.
The wealthy pay almost everything now.”
Right, so you presumably think the wealthy control everything now as well then. And that’s how you think it should be?
Posted by: Aengil | November 3, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
“The wealthy pay almost everything now.”
That’s part one of the equation. Now divide by the percentage of wealth that is controlled by each bracket. Surprise! The small percentage of Americans that control 80%+ of all wealth and resources in this country pay significantly less, proportionally, than the middle class do for their piece of the pie.
The Bush tax cuts made a bad situation worse. It’s past time to let them expire.
Posted by: Yukon Sam | November 3, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
‘…..Intelligence Report investigates whether the recent U.S. attack in Syria was motivated by John McCain’s sagging polls. ‘
Posted by: dewde | November 3, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Retired Old Guy: “jhw539 See you fled the other thread. I don’t support either of these clowns. I base my opposition to Obama on his words and associations. Still awaiting your comment.”
Awaiting my comment on what? Did you miss this reply:
“Retired old guy: So it’s his associations – not his actual proven record of achievements, leadership and lawmaking- that you are judging him on.
Luckily, the majority of modern America does not hold McCarthyism as their favored decision making approach.”
Or for an example of Obama’s actual record:
“Facts? What facts has the McCain campaign put forth? Can you give me a couple examples of good legislation John McCain has produced in his quarter century in the Senate? For Obama, look up information on the law requiring police to videotape confessions and interogations in serious crimes – an awful good law Obama wrote and, over initial Senate resistance and the governor promising a veto, ultimately passed with a bipartisan majority and was signed into law.
GIVE ME SOME FACTS – WHAT HAS JOHN MCCAIN *ACHIEVED* OTHER THAN SLANDER OBAMA?”
I’m not retired and I have work to do. I really don’t have time to hold your hand.
And if you’re interested about Right wing hate look up Liz Trotta of FoxNews joking about having Obama killed, or Al Austin (a former Republican Nation Party finance chair’s) charming joke about if an airplane carrying Obama and his wife were blown up “it certainly wouldn’t be a great loss, and it probably wouldn’t be an accident either.”
Posted by: jhw539 | November 3, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Good by all you “True Believers” I leave you with these quotes from the man who wrote your constitution. Not that you will take them to heart, your hero Obama doesn’t.
Ronald Reagan
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free … it expects what never was and never will be.” —Thomas Jefferson
Still one thing more, fellow citizens — a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities. —Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. —Thomas Jefferson
Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have … The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases. —Thomas Jefferson
The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. —Thomas Jefferson
“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.” —Thomas Jefferso
And one more.
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money. – Alexis de Tocqueville
Posted by: Retired old guy | November 3, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
The humiliating repudiation of McCain/Bush/Palin policies and politics is a mere 24 hours away. Thank God, and God Bless America for giving the wisdom to elect a brilliant man like Barack Obama President of the United States.
Posted by: truthbetold | November 3, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Everyone please research the real facts. Words are cheap!! I have and this white female college educated Republican will vote for Barack Obama. Found John McCain and Sarah Palin are really just lying.
Fell for Republican nasty robocalls, false lies, attacks 2000 & 2004. Not this year – researched well what they claimed – lies – no more!! Republicans Campaign has been quite evil, not caring who they defame or destroy in process
These two have run the most despicable hate mongering and lying campaign I have seen. All proven with facts too!!
Everyone go vote!!
Obame – Biden!!!
Posted by: Sharonklim | November 3, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
You may be college educated but there is a difference between book smart and just good old plain common sense. How many so called educated people are morons? Does Ayers ring a bell? How about Kahlidi? So before you defend Obama and Wright and Pflger and the rest of the horrific bunch don’t put too much emphasis on your education.
Posted by: Linda/Michigan | November 3, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
“In order for you to believe that metaphor, you have to think that there is a finite pie wholly owned by the State. The State then which gives it to people and not that people earn it.”
The people are the state, in a democratic society. As such, yes, we have an absolute moral and natural right to exert control over our shared resources (which for the most part, ARE finite). Part of that right and responsibility is the determination that those who get the most benefit out of the social contract must put the most back in.
There are workable philosophical/social systems that operate differently — but they’re not democracies, and they’re not America.
Posted by: Yukon Sam | November 3, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
All this yapping about Obama being a socialist or Marxist who wants to spread the wealth is hilarious. It ignores that fact that 1) we’ve had a progressive tax system since 1910 and 2) socialism usually means that the state controls the economy and the means of production.
We’re already on the way there thanks to Bush, McCain, and Greenspan’s failed belief that the market would regulate itself. We are now all equity holders in nine of America’s largest banks. That’s called nationalization.
As for “spreading the wealth,” McCain wants to tax my health insurance benefits so that he can pay for his inadequate health care tax credit. How is that not spreading the wealth?
McCain wants to spend $300 billion to buy up inflated mortgages from the banks and give homeowners lower interest mortgages. The banks don’t lose a dime…we get to pick up the difference. How is that not spreading the wealth?
We’ve been spreading the wealth for the last eight years. Problem is it’s been spreading up rather than around.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | November 3, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Linda, you left George Bush out of your educated-but-not-smart group of people. I think he wins the prize.
Posted by: Claudia | November 3, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Thanks to all the supporters of Nobama for feeding the crackheads and 3rd generation welfare recipiants. I am a middle class worker that makes less than 20000 a year and can see the bullcrap Obama spits. He wants to do this and that yet he makes everything harder on the people that really need the support. He wants to take away concealed firearm carry for police officers and that puts them at risk when they are not on active duty. My father-in-law is my hero because he is a juvinile detective that deals with underage sex crimes and that puts him in danger from the very people he puts away for these crimes (and 99.9 percent are obama supporters because he will be taking care of them with a bigger check). You can say i am uneducated but i can see that this is going to be the worst thing that has happened to America since 9/11. Vote for someone who doesn’t stand by his country, some that thinks this country is evil. I don’t know about anyone else, but I LOVE MY COUNTRY! If you don’t then let NoBama into office to ruin all we believe in. Good luck and God Save Us no matter what the outcome.
Posted by: Kevin | November 3, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
“57% of voters in the new NBC/WSJ poll say Obama has a set of values they can identify with.”
Thanks for letting us know the poll is garbage. That means the poll does not reflect the population that is going to vote.
Posted by: geevill | November 3, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
p.s. This post is to Sharonklim. “Thank God, and God Bless America for giving the wisdom to elect a brilliant man like Barack Obama President of the United States” If Obama read you post he would tell you that there is no room for God in our country. Mark my words. He will try his hardest to take away the values this country was based on. BECAUSE HE DOESN’T BELIEVE IN THEM OR OUR COUNTRY!!!
Posted by: Kevin | November 3, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
geevill… it is because todays americans are money hungry and belive in anyone that can GIVE them morer money. What happened to working hard for your money? What happened to taking pride in the way you live? What happened to being thankful for making your own way and not recieving handouts? Well maybe you know what is like to feel that way. But how in the heck is he going to give 95% of americans a tax break when 60% of them don’t pay taxes? I work in business that cashes checks every month, 90% of them are US treasury SSI and Disability checks. they pull up to cash these 600-1500.00 checks in brand new cars and trucks. Yet they live in government housing and get welfare and foodstamps. Can you tell me how i can qualify for that? I need help! I struggle paycheck to paycheck but i survive and I work hard for my money. My wife is a 23 year old type 2 diabetic, yet there is no assistance for me no matter what i try. Because i make too much money!! Now you figure out if you can live off 20000.00 a year with rent, bills, medical expenses, and medication, not to mention food and clothes. Have a good day and try thinking outside the box.
Posted by: Kevin | November 3, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Did you know McCane was a POW?
And Sahara is just so pretty.
Vote McCane!!!!
Posted by: Typikal McCane Supporter | November 3, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
But…..but……but…….what about McCain’s “internal” polls?
You know, the ones no one else can see, that show a “tightening” race “within the margin of error”?
Posted by: R | November 3, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
McCain is a good man, but an unacceptable presidential candidate, because he cares too little for details and facts. McCain’s mood and behavior has been strangely erratic. His campaign has been disorganized and chaotic. Two years later, I still don’t know what McCain wants to do for America. He has an affection for war, and a problem with truth. McCain attracts hateful extremist from outside the mainstream into his ranks. There are large numbers of heartless cruel people following him, evidenced by multiple blogs, who are unable to even empathize the loss of his grandmother. He also picked an unacceptable potential vice president. He is unacceptable, not to mention because his campaign has an obsession with fear, and a disregard for hope and optimism. The non sense spewed about Obama didn’t work. It is sinking sand. Obama should win whether he does or not. Complaints about Obama do not stand up to basic scrutiny. Take a breath and relax, friends. Think about it, then Vote Nov 4th for Obama 08
Posted by: bll | November 3, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Extremists again? Thaty is the only claim NoBama supporters have. Not wanting to brting this up but you talked me into it with your bs comments. One question should end the extremist comments. How many McCain supporters have been out vandalizing peoples cars and property because they have NoBama stickers or signs in the yard????? NONE!!!! There was a guy Accosted in my town on the street because he was hold a sign that said McCain for president. There have been several vandalisims marked on the books for McCain supporters. Cars, Houses, ther personal property just because they support McCain. HATE CRIMES IN THE NAME OF OBAMA!!! So what kind of president do you think he will be for pulling these kind of people to him? Extremists. Almost all democrats mights as well be liberals because they can flex thier morals around however they choose. No Offense to any that stand by thiert true morals. All the policemen in my division are voting for McCain. White, Black, and Other because they know that NoBama will endager thier lives and the lives of all other americans if he gets in office. So good luck to anyone that votes for Obama and needs police protection, because if he puts into action things that he says he is going to then half of your police departments will quit, and the other half won’t give a damn about you because they will be to busy fending for thier lives.
Good Luck AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!! REMEMBER 9/11 AND BE PROUD TO STAND UP FOR YOUR COUNTRY!!
Posted by: Kevin | November 4, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
p.s. Sorry for the spelling. Little ticked off and worried right now. It’s my life and my families at stake here.
Posted by: Kevin | November 4, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am