Anti-Obama Fringe to Descend Upon Supreme Court Tomorrow

If Obama would authorize the release of his birth certificate from Hawaii, this issue wouldn’t exist. But he keeps refusing. And spent over half a million dollars in legal fees to avoid doing that. Not to mention taxpayer money on the courts.
It’s kind of fishy, no? Why won’t he release it?

By the way – the liberals are dead wrong on why Republicans are interested in this issue. See, if Obama is not a natural born US Citizen, and SCOTUS allows him to the office of POTUS anyway? Prepare yourself for President Schwarzenegger LOL
J/k . . sort of. Seriously, it is a valid issue of constitutional law, ESPECIALLY in a globally mobile society. This was an issue with Kennedy, which was resolved by arguments of separation of Church & State.
Obama is not above Kennedy, and should resolve the current question about his eligibility.

The birth certificate Obama has released is sufficient to get a US Passport. Case closed.

The real questions here are the following: Do these same anti-Obama nutjobs routinely question whether other elected American officials (like our president, John McCain, Sarah Palin, etc) are natural-born citizens? After all, I don’t see crazy liberals continuing to claim John McCain wasn’t qualified to run – and he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, far less American than Hawaii. Also, why do they feel entitled to see a private document that most of us would only show to public officials in specific circumstances? Finally and perhaps most importantly, when will these people get lives and contribute productively to society?

“This is a meaningless statement. We know they have it on record, we want to know what’s ON the certificate.”

Why? Do you have information to suggest in any way that the information differs from what Hawaii has already reported? In that case, let’s hear your evidence.
If you do not have any evidence, then you have no case.

I demand an apology to the fringe. You are absolutely wrong with this comment:
“The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed on Friday what Barack Obama has been saying all along: the presidential candidate was born in Honolulu.”
The director did no such thing. The law of Hawaii allowed a Hawaiian birth certificate even if born on foreign shores. Please do an article with the specific quote of the director stating that Obama was born in Hawaii. IT DOES NOT EXIST.

ROFLMAO.
Look at all the right wingers crying about being called fringe because they believe that Barack Obama has been plotting since birth to hide his true heritage!

Only Freeper Nation believes this idiocy. Of course they also believe the Earth is 6k years old.
These are the same people that told me I was in denial and should be quaking in my boots when Fred Thompson entered the race, or Sarah Palin, or that the polls were all in the tank and McCain was going to win by a landslide or . . .

Ed Darrell: Despite not having huge news machines behind them, earthfrisk called and visited every hospital in Honolulu and ALL said that Obama was NOT born there. Yes it was agains tthe HIPPA laws to divulge that info but soem administration officials were bribed, some gave the info for free and all was recorded and videotaped. Funny, they used the Obama-method to trap him. Ha ha ha ha….
Not bad for proof considering Obama is hiding the one simple document that could SPARE us all this trouble.
“If you do not have any evidence, then you have no case.”

LOL!!
One desperate last ditch effort by those who have demonized the President-Elect this election season to prevent the “Devil” from being inaugurated as their President… guess what? Its NOT Happening!
LOL!
Stop wasting your sleep and stress, and lets start putting our heads together as to how we’re going to get this country back on track

“Despite not having huge news machines behind them, earthfrisk called”
ROFLMAO!
Yes right wing nuts “investigated”!

FIVE SIMPLE FACTS
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1. Barack Obama was born on August 4th, 1961.
2. The nation of Kenya declared independence from the U.K. on December 12th, 1963.
3. At the time of Obama’s birth, his Kenyan father was a British citizen. According to U.S. Law, BOTH parents of a person have to be U.S. Citizens at the time of the person’s birth in order for that person to be considered a “natural born” U.S. Citizen.
4. The U.S. Constitution requires that a President must be a “natural born” U.S. citizen.
5. Since Obama’s father was a British citizen at the time of his birth, Barack Obama cannot take the Oath of Office to become President of the United States because he is NOT a “natural born” U.S. Citizen.

“According to U.S. Law, BOTH parents of a person have to be U.S. Citizens at the time of the person’s birth in order for that person to be considered a “natural born” U.S. Citizen.”
That is not true.
Natural born citizenry has nothing to do with the parents.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

“Nope. I am not a neocon. I am a proud PROGRESSIVE that knows the Obama has set back REAL social change DECADES with his sham of a money machine lying campaign.”
ROFLMAO.
A progressive who hangs out with freepers! Sure…..
Right wingers apparently know their ilk have zero credibility so they pretend to be Hillary supporters, progressives, Democrats.

Many of you are obviously unfamiliar with this story.
First, the Certification of Live Birth may NOT be a forgery, but it doesn’t mean Obama was really born in Hawaii. Such documents are NOT the true birth certificate, and they can be produced by people whose birth occurred outside the USA but were REGISTERED in the USA.
Second, Obama could quickly put all of this to rest by allowing access to his original hospital-produced birth certificate. Yet, he refuses to do that.
Third, let’s say he really WAS born in Kenya. All right…his mother was an American, right? So, he’s an American for sure, right? Well, no, the law at that time said she needed to be 19. She was 18.
Fourth, Barack Obama MAY have gained admittance to colleges as a FOREIGN STUDENT (most likely Indonesian). You can’t find any documentation that would settle this question, either. It’s all hidden.
So, in the glaring absence of all kinds of documenation that most people would have no problem producing in a day or so, why are those who simply want to see the documents considered right-wing whackos?
We can’t prove Barack Obama is NOT a natural-born US citizen, that’s true.
But so far, he hasn’t proved that HE IS. He has gone out of his way to HIDE anything that could answer the very reasonable questions.

“Why? Do you have information to suggest in any way that the information differs from what Hawaii has already reported? In that case, let’s hear your evidence.
If you do not have any evidence, then you have no case.”
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Which is exactly why Barack continues to not release his original birth certificate, and why people are demanding to see it.

“But so far, he hasn’t proved that HE IS. He has gone out of his way to HIDE anything that could answer the very reasonable questions.”
Let’s see:
Obama posted a digital copy on the web.
Several fact check organizations verified the birth certificate existence and what it stated.
Officials from the state of HI have confirmed they have his original birth certificate.
But to the right winger, failure to respond to lunatic websites means he is guilty.

“Why is he paying hundreds of thousands of dollars”
Is he? Who claims that? Oh yeah the same right wing nuts who claim fake orders from judges.
The right wing needs many lies to build it web.

“Obama posted a digital copy on the web.
Several fact check organizations verified the birth certificate existence and what it stated.
Officials from the state of HI have confirmed they have his original birth certificate.”
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“FactCheck”…yeah, sounds pretty authoritative, right? So if I told you I was from “RealityValidation”, you’d believe everything I told you? The factcheck.org people are Obama-supporting left-wingers.
And officials in HI confirmed the authenticity, huh? And we’re all supposed believe them, right? Cuz they said so?
You lefties are sounding more scared by the minute!
Face it — nothing short of THE ORIGINAL birth certificate, showing the name of the hospital and delivery doctor, will put this to rest.

“The factcheck.org people are Obama-supporting left-wingers.”
Why is that? because Annenberg was the name of the school project he worked on with Ayers?
ROFLMAO.
I guess the many times fact check called out Obama for stretching statements or making false claims was just keeping up appearances.
You do know who Walter Annenberg was? Or his wife?
BTW would you like to buy a rock that keeps away terrorists?

“And officials in HI confirmed the authenticity, huh? And we’re all supposed believe them, right? Cuz they said so?”
Versus believing right wing nut on the web?
I am going with HI officials.

I’m a Republican that voted for John McCain in the general election and *I* think this is absurd! If it was an issue, trust me, the Republicans (not to mention the Clintons) would have investigated it to the fullest. I also have to question of the same 3 posters who keep defending these lawsuits – just because *you* say Obama isn’t a natural-born citizen doesn’t mean the rest of us want to believe you. You guys give the rest of us Republicans a bad name…

It’s interesting when a small town messageboard in New Jersey can offer its local readers a better rundown on the swirling allegations and theories of a number of lawsuits about the “natural born citizen” clause of the Constitution, while ABC News mixes up one case with another and tries to nudge the Supreme Court in a direction that Jake Tapper wants to see the Justices take.
For everyone’s information, the Donofrio v. Wells lawsuit that was filed in NJ State court challenged the eligibility of three Presidential candidates on the ballot in New Jersey, as follows:
John McCAIN
Barack OBAMA
Roger CALERO
Since the last-named candidate of the Socialist Workers party is here in the U.S. on a GREEN CARD, and still is a Nicaraguan citizen, what does that tell you about the lack of gatekeepers enforcing the minimum eligibility requirements for Presidential candidates? Calero was on the NJ ballot and people voted for him.
Times are tough for the Fourth Estate. Ad revenues dwindling. Networks anxious to preserve their “access” to the Oval office. Nobody seems to be very interested in the dirty work of actual research and objective reporting.
People who want to just do, and think, what an ABC News White House Correspondent afraid of harming his ability to sit down with a new President in front of the cameras tells them, don’t bother.
Even Dan Rather, when interviewed and asked about whether he perceived a bias in how the national networks had handled coverage of the presidential races, admitted that “yes, they had” and went on to point out that the Internet is now where “news” and better research is originating.

“Amazing how many Clintonistas are being selected for White House positions, eh?”
Yes, amazing that people from the last Democratic administration is being used to fill positions for the new Democratic administration.
“You can bet the Russians are doing their best to find out the truth…to use for blackmail.”
ROFLMAO.
Its amazing right wingers are able to leave the house with all the imagined threats and paranoia.
Maybe that explains conceal carry?

Not one of the MSM reporting on this story have gotten the facts correct about the Leo Donfrio case. It’s like all of you are working off the wrong set of cheat sheets or talking points.
Donofrio’s case has NOTHING to do with the birth certificate, in fact Donofrio has stated multiple times that he believes the cases built around proving the birth certificate will not succeed.
Donofrio’s case is based on the basis that BHO is not a “natural born citizen” because of two reasons: a) BHO Sr. was a Kenyan with British citizenship, and b) BHO’s mother Ann Dunham was not of legal age to pass on citizenship according to the laws at that time (miniumum age 19 – at least 5 years after the age of 14).
We are not fringe lunatics, right wing wingnuts, racists, rednecks (ok I have to lie about that one), or tin foil hat wearers. The facts are strong in Donofrio’s case and the SCOTUS is taking an extraordinary step in the manner in which this case has proceeded through the court.
At this point we don’t know what will happen. But the fact is that Donofrio’s case has NOTHING to do with the birth certificate or where he was born, but relies on Article II Clause 5 which states:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
Please get your facts correct before publishing such trivial garbage.

“I guess you don’t know much about dirty tricks in the espionage game.”
Let me guess….big fan of Larry Sinclair too?
“What would you say if I told you that Bing Crosby was enlisted to help make a porno tape to try to bring down a foreign leader.”
Is that something I would be interested in?
Sorry could not resist the Entourage quote.

Do you believe that the CIA could join forces with Bing Crosby to make a porno tape to try to bring down a leader?
If that is true, then you certainly shouldn’t have a problem with believing that the Russians will be trying to get this information that could help bring down a foreign leader.
But you probably don’t believe the Sam Giancana/Castro story either.

Its all they’ve got, poor little freepers -
They’ve been breathlessly picking up bits of paper in vacant lots hoping for something, anything, to hang their hankie on…
pitiful

“But you probably don’t believe the Sam Giancana/Castro story either.”
Would you be interested in a rocks that keep away terrorists?
I have them for sale, fairly cheap.

just make sure that the secretary of state of New Jersey who filed this and all who encouraged suit pays full court costs and attorneys’ fees for having to defend this trashy lawsuit.
racism knows no bounds.
this lawsuit is hate pure and simple. the justices will really laugh at this one (even the right-wing conservative justices).
supporters of this must get their fact and news from fox or a kkk publication.

Ryan C, you are wrong!
Please read:
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”
All those you mentioned were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and they were eligible!

“All those you mentioned were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and they were eligible!”
How could they be citizens if their parents were not?
Isn’t that the crux of Donofrio’s argument? That it does not matter if Obama was born in HI because his father was a British citizen?

Why is it that I can easily find the birthplace information for the past 6 presidents, and we even know that Abraham Lincoln was born in a cabin on a specific farm in Kentucky almost 200 years ago, but somehow nobody knows which hospital Obama was born in just 47 years ago?
Please, someone tell me how this is possible! What is being hidden about Obama’s birthplace? Will he ever reveal it, so that it will become a national monument like all other President’s birthplaces have become, or will he continue to do everything he can to prevent the truth from being known?
Abraham Lincoln (born February 12, 1809)- a small cabin in Hodgenville, Kentucky,
Gerald Ford (born July 14, 1913)- 3202 Woolworth Avenue, Omaha, Nebraska
Jimmy Carter (born October 1, 1924)-Lillian G. Carter Nursing Center. Hospital Street, Plains, GA
Ronald Reagan (born February 6, 1911)- Second floor apartment in the Graham Building, 111 S. Main St., Tampico, IL
George HW Bush (born June 12, 1924)-173 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
William Clinton (born August 19, 1946)- 117 South Hervey Street (U.S. Route 278) in Hope, Arkansas.
George W Bush (born July 6, 1946)- Yale New Haven Hospital, New Haven, Connecticut.
Barack H Obama (born August 4, 1961?)- Supposedly born somewhere in Oahu, Hawaii – in a hospital, in a house, in a car, on the beach – nobody knows?????

Ryan C—it doesn’t matter what his father’s citizenship was, his mother was an american citizen.

“Ryan C—it doesn’t matter what his father’s citizenship was, his mother was an american citizen.”
The crux of Donofrio’s argument is that Obama being born in HI is irrelevant and that his parents citizenship is what matters.
That is why his case is BS.

“The crux of Donofrio’s argument is that Obama being born in HI is irrelevant and that his parents citizenship is what matters.”
and his mother was an american citizen! he was born in Hawaii! that’s all it takes—he was born in the United Sates.
just go the the State of Hawaii’s wwebsite and pay all the fees and get a ccopy.

WackoIamnot
I think we all knew who Bush’s parents were. His dad wasn’t from another country and his mom didn’t move to Indonesia after his birth with a possible change of citizenship before the age of 18. I don’t think people questioned the citizenship of Clinton either.

Do any of you understand the concept of dual citizenship? The person below wrote correctly – you don’t just automatically get dual citizenship with your parent (or parents’) country of birth. I’m Jewish child of Israelis born here so I can apply to be a dual citizen, but I am not immediately considered an Israeli.

So nuts for Obama, you’re just anti-immigrant basically. Who cares if Obama’s parents were from another country or if he lived abroad for some period of time? If you’re born here, you are American, simple as that. My original point was sarcastic, obviously, my point was just that you people are only questioning Obama because of his parent’s origins and not because of any particular deep love for the Constitution – if that were so, you would ask ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS to publicly release their birth certificates.

@Obama=socialist
I think it can be proiven that Mr. Obama has traveled abroad as an adult. I conclude that he was requird to use his passport. I conclude that he must have presented a valid birth certificate to do so, as you say you did.
I’m guessing here, but maybe he had to present a valid birth cert when he got his drivers license, or soc sec card. I had to prove citizenship to get me CPA license. Only a valid birth cert was acceptable. Check to see if he had to do that to get his professional acreditation.
There is a rule of logic that states that we must eliminate the simple possibilities before moving on to the the more complex ones. Otherwise, I could conclude that all the people questioning Obama are actually plants for Obama, set-up to focus the attention of the public on this issue, rather then his more sinister plot to establish a new world order. What is the simple conclusion for this being a non-story? Why haven’t his many enemies that are far better connected than we are uncovered this? Why not any of the many news outlets that could become famous for the disclosure? If man can profit, man will act.
No profit in this effort. It’s a waste of time and tax payers money.
Be well and stay safe, all.
Every God Bless America.

“His grandmother was taped saying that she attended his birth in Kenya..according to the ad placed in the Chicago Tribune.”
Wow that’s authoritative!
A claim by a 9/11 truther (Berg) that he has an audio tape where Obama’s grandmother says he was born in Kenya!

Actually nutsforobama you are anti-immigrant- your basis for questioning Obama’s citizenship (and I notice you didn’t respond to this aspect of my post) is that his dad was from Africa and his mom later moved to Indonesia. Sorry, lots of us are kids of immigrants. We’re all American.

I beg to differ with the facts presented here reflecting the theory behind the case.
The actual theory behind the case, is that due to Obama knowingly having been a Kenyan citizen until 1982, he is therefore ineligible regardless of country of birth.
Secondly, the fact that Obama was a kenyan citizen until 1982, proves that at the time of his birth, England had claim to his nationality, afterwhich time Kenya was removed from the commonwealth, Kenyan citizenship was granted.
The facts also present the case that no man born with a dual citizenship, american born or other, can be deemed a natural born citizen, to which supreme court precedents apply.
Misinforming the people, and reporting half truths is what started this mess to begin with. If you are going to take the time to report, report only after you have dtermined what facts are indeed the facts.
Constitutionally speaking, Obama has no legal right to serve as POTUS having been born a British citizen, and then having that converted to a Kenyan citizenship which then lapsed in 1982.
No other president in history was born holding a dual citizenship after the grandfather cluase in the constitution expired. To prove otherwise would be to ensure the legal system of your country has been made null and void.
So, I urge you all. Look only at the facts, and decide based upon those facts, not the baseless opinions of the uneducated masses.

Paul Wall,
The tape is probably with the LA Times tape of Obama and Khalidi. We’ll never hear it.

Hank Rand—it’s dark now you can make your meeting. don’t let us reasonable, fairly intelligent, non-racist, not-bigots, non-xenophobes keep you.

“Whhile the Mother was a U.S. citizen, she was only 18 and needed to be age 19 to convey the “natural born U.S. citizen” label required to be a U.S. President.”
This would make sense if Obama was not born in HI.

nuts for obama—who cares. this is conspiracy theory, pure and simple. it’s been smear, trash, hate Obama game. nothing is good enough for you. if the CIA or FBI had the “goods” on Obama, Bush would have given them to the McCain campaign. there’s nothing, nada, nyet.

“Let me also say that I remain distressed that the White House during this confirmation process, which overall went smoothly, failed to provide critical documents as part of the record that could have provided us with a better basis to make our judgment with respect to the nomination. This White House continues to stymie efforts on the part of the Senate to do its job. I hope with the next nominee who comes up for the Supreme Court that the White House recognizes that in fact it is its duty not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record of every single nominee who comes before us.”
Remarks of Senator Barack Obama on the Confirmation of Judge John Roberts
We only ask the same.

“we all know he’s spend over 800K to supress the answer.”
We do? What is the source for this claim?
It would seem that the right wing needs many lies to buttress their bs.
They scream at Obama to produce his birth certificate when he already has.
They make claims about lawyer fees that they have no access to.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

Since when is enforcing the U.S. Constitution being “fringe”?

That’s like the 4th time someone has cited a dollar amount for legal fees without a source. Where is this reported with factual support?
Be well and stay safe.
Or maybe we’re already blessed and we’re just wasting it. 8(

T Smith—he could spend a million dollars. he’s getting this money back through court costs and his attorneys’ fees will be paid, hopefully by the New Jersey Secretary of State who brought this bogus, frivilou lawsuit and not the citizens of New Jersey.
it will be so funny to see the justices throw it out of the highest court in our land.
everyone has a right to privacy. it’s always easy to invade another persons, but usually people don’t like it to happen to them.

Paul Wall – when he first went to school and college he wouldn’t have needed to show his birth certificate, nor when he got his SS#. I didn’t have a copy of my birth certificate until I was out of college. And from what I’m reading elsewhere, he didn’t need his birth certificate for many of those other things either. It has only been in the last 20 years or so that there have been more stringent rules in place concerning birth certificates. And many of those instances may have accepted “certificate of live birth” as opposed to an official birth certificate. And once he had a passport – which he could have gotten years ago with less proof, he wouldn’t need to show the legal birth certificate again. My husband doesn’t have a copy of his birth certificate. He got his passport MANY years ago with a county certificate and to get a new passport, he just has to show the old one.

DrJim77—i apologize. i made no inference to your race and did not say you were a racist. Alan Keyes is all spun up in this urban myth. MOST people who have a gut level hatred of the President-Elect are racists. and the basis of that is i believe: a)racism. b)xenophobia. c)anti-intellectualism.
racism is a very gut level type of hatred. and people of all races can be racists, that is to be sure.
racism is hatred in its purest form and while i accept that you are not racist i believe most people with this gut hatred are.
and please don’t call me sir, sir. i am young and not in the army. i am nobody’s superior officer. just a humble american waiting for january 20. i hope for you it is a special occasion.

ellsbells930—maybe you are right. i just know i had to show my birth certificate for SSN, public school, college, most jobs. the state of Hawaii’s birth certificate speaks foritself. IT IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE OF BARACK OBAMA. if it’s fake, head up to the supreme court and prove it.

Seriously–what is WRONG with these people? I’m sure they consider themselves great Christians, too. All of this is and has been–since he starting running–disgusting and reflective of the lowest element of America. I’m ashamed to say this kind of crap is exactly why I didn’t vote for him in the primary–because I knew these hateful, horrible people would never let up, so I didn’t believe he was electable. Well, I am proud to say that he and my fellow Americans proved me wrong, SO– The rest of us have chosen to rise above you people, in case you haven’t heard, so give it up, get a life and try doing something productive for this country.

Ryan C:
You obviously are not versed in true right-wing ideology. Per the sentiments of the right, as I understand them, Bush has led the entire party right down the barrell of a gun.
In any case, partisan arguments don’t apply here. I could write an entire disertation on Bush and his administration’s abuses to the Constitution. But why digress? Let’s focus on the issue at hand.

To Juan and DrJim:
Remember- this is ABC News, where ALL posts and opinions are welcome, except those that disagree with the advocacy positions of ABC “News”, and it’s associates- in this case Jake Tapper.
It seems 2008 reads a lot like 1984.

DrJim77—”Mr. Tapper…Get your facts right.This case has nothing to due with barak obama’s birth certificate. This issue is about constitutional law vs. common law as it pertains to the definition of “natural born citizen”
But of course the main stream media has a lot invested in the The so called messiah
God Help America
what don’t you unserstand Dr? please lay out the constitutional law for us idiots. i’ve read the constitution and i’ve seen the President-Elect’s birth certificate. he meets the constitution’s requirements. i’m not loosing any sleep over it. all legal experts i’ve read (even on fox!) agree he is a citizen as required by the constitution and that the case is going nowhere but out of the supreme court into a D.C. trash can (recycled i hope).

Juan Enrique—i see your posts just fine. what is he censoring. just speak your mind and click post.
it’s happened to me alot that i’ve had to post twice. but i don’t think it’s a conspiracy, which is very popular, as we can see, in right-wing circles.
most of the posts are anti-Obama,so no worries.

Juan, Dr Jim, TruthTeller—we see all your posts! almost all of the posts are anti-Obama. your views are represented. we know you hate the prresident-Elect. if you want to hate some more post some more. if they were censoring how could i be reading all of your posts?

The supreme court should not be placed in the position of demanding that all prior presidents *prove that they were not citizens of British nations although they were birthed on American soil like illegals. Or should they? I am interested in the right-wing nuts’ response.

The founding fathers of the USA wanted to protect the US from a president with multiple alligenses

Paul Wall:
Your last post made no sense at all. Please reword — or risk not being taken seriously by those who are sincerely trying to engage you.

republicans are really crazy,
Your arguments do not make sense because that is not what is being discussed.
Would you please read before commenting?

Lots of the people who voted for Obama and acually thought congress was controlled by the GOP are going to be real upset that they are not going to get any free money.. Oh well they can still loot and get their redistributed wealth

Ryan C – CASE NOT CLOSED. We are not issuing a Passport. We are trying to uphold the Constitution. We the people want to know where the birth certificate says he was born. So release it and show you qualify, Barack.

Most important reason for SCOTUS to rule on natural born definitions,,,
Barak obama is inaugerated…
One year passes..
Then he is shown to be ineligible..
Every law,appointnment to offices would be come illegal, null and void..
Or worst… we are attacked by and or invaded and POTUS is uneligible and unable to command the military…
These issues can not be allowed to occur..
Who ever is to be POTUS (and I will stand behind any legal POTUS) must be legal and eligble before the electoral college votes.
The supreme court needs to clarify natural born citizenship and the office of POTUS

Dear Sir:
To state that I, or anyone who believes the US Constitution should be upheld are allowing Rush Limbaugh (or anyone else) to do their thinking for them, is an often used tactic of those with weak arguments- “Don’t argue the facts, attack the other person.”
Please explain sir (without ad hominem attacks)- WHY does Mr Obama refuse to show any of his pertinent records, including from his college as well as his ACTUAL birth certificate (not a scanned jpeg, easily altered with Photoshop)? WHY?? Why does he not simply SHOW the original, and put all this to rest??
Since there seems to be only one logical answer, that is that he has something to hide, I await YOUR reply with great curiosity (and amusement).
Respectfully Submitted,
TruthTeller

This whole issue is such a bummer.Our Founding Fathers wrote in the USA Constitution that the President of the USA must be a natural born citizen. Unfortunately, they assumed no one would falsely claim to meet this eligibility requirement, and thus did not specifically state who or what government agency needs to check this out for all candidates.
Largely because the Obama camp made such a ridiculous pre-emptive issue of racism and smears (even established an anti-smears site!), all but the boldest among us have DARED to question Obama’s credentials – even ‘tho Obama has hidden all the public records of his life. Please note that Obama the lawyer specialized in “Constitutional Law”, so he has always known about the Presidential eligibility requirements, yet decided he personally needn’t prove to the Democratic party or the American people that he is indeed a natural born citizen. I hope he is a natural born citizen and can prove it, because if he cannot, then he will be ruled ineligible by the Supreme Court, which is sworn to uphold the Consitution.
To shout “he has shown it already, you people are racists and stupid”, etc is foolishess because by now the whole world and all Americans having a computer know that Hawaii issues certifications of birth to people born outside of the USA. They also know that our so-called freedom of the press and freedom of speech by our newspeople has disappeared when it was needed the most – BEFORE the primaries, BEFORE the general election, BEFORE the electorial college meets, BEFORE the inauguration, BEFORE he signs any treaty or legislation, etc etc. This is a very sad time for Americans who worry more about riots and political correctness than the preservation of the Constitution, which is the last goodness we have in our government.
May all Christians and Jews pray tomorrow that our Justices do the right things, in spite of the worst pressure and censorship I have ever seen in our country. Most folks I know who voted for Obama, do not care about his eligibility at all – they are hell-bent on ignoring all law and truthful discussion, all investigation, etc. They are hell-bent on railroading in this unknown person, consequences be darned. They have been duped.
- Mary S. Florida

Republicans lost the election — that’s it — the end. Take it on the chin — move on. African Americans have lived in this country under white rule for over two hundred years — we survived. Surely, you malcontents can survive four or eight years of Obama. My goodness — have some dignity.

“No other president in history was born holding a dual citizenship after the grandfather cluase [sic] in the constitution expired.” posted by southerncross
Hey southerncross, admit it, you pulled this “fact” out of air. Clearly, you have done no research to substantiate your statement.
Woodrow Wilson’s and Herbert Hoover’s mothers were nationals of another country. Hoover’s mom was British. Therefore, under UK law, Hoover was a subject of His Majesty the King. Hmmmm — British mother, British father — what’s the difference? The only reason the “dual citizenship” was never raised in connection with these Presidents is they were white.

Juris Prudence said:
“Woodrow Wilson’s and Herbert Hoover’s mothers were nationals of another country. Hoover’s mom was British.”
Now, did you check if they were already American citizens at the birth of the Presidents?

Every one is wrong but the nuts…no one else gets it….all the judges are wrong….only the nuts can see the truth…and tommorrow when the SCOTUS rejects these foolish arguments..they too will be wrong…only the nuts know the real truth….don’t you see…it can’t be…..he’s satan….it’s a trick….wake up people…wake up….

To denvergirl:
To denvergirl:
Duo citizenship is ONLY bestowed upon children of British fathers, not British mothers. I know this for a fact as my husband is British and my children do, in fact, hold dual citizenships. Your argument is fallacious.

Its not about citizenship..it is about what does the President Elect have to hide? Why would he rather have 20 lawsuits served against him, spend 1,000,000 bucks to litigate them and put his integrity on the line rather than produce a 10.00 dollar piece of paper for judicial examination? No liberal press ever dares to answer this question. They call conservatives nut cases, when the nut cases are they who are willing to run down such a blinded precipice.

AXJ, Don’t get your hopes up. Obama is too smart for the media and Obama is just too smart for the Supreme Court. They have no standing and don’t have the legal backbone even try to hear the case. His ruse is audatious! At best, Obama will have to show documents the next time that he runs. Sorry.

Re: Obama’s sister, born in Indonesia, also has such a document.
What you are referring to is the fact that you can get a Hawaii birth document even if you are not born in Hawaii. But you cannot get a Hawaii birth document that says you were born in Hawaii if you were NOT born in Hawaii.
So Obama’s sister has a Hawaii birth document (“such a document” as you say), but she has a Hawaii birth document that says “born in Indonesia.”
In contrast, Obama has a Hawaii birth document that says “born in Hawaii” (three times: location of birth Honolulu, Island Oahau, county of birth Honolulu).
You cannot get a Hawaii certification of live birth that says born in Hawaii if there is a Kenya birth certificate in your file or if your parents filled in “born in Kenya” when they were asked the location of your birth.
Thus, unless the parents were lying then, or the officials are lying now, he was born in Hawaii.

Paul Wall – We did not have a copy of my birth certificate until I got out of college. I got my SS card with the birth notice from the hospital when I was in 4th grade (you can no longer do that – the laws have been tightened). The laws were much looser back in the 60′s, when I started school, as did Mr. Obama.

so Hawaii is in on the scam, I thought so, remember Hawaii faked Elvis’s death certificate, he is alive and in Maui with a Big Foot.
and US State Dept issued a passport from a phony Hawaii Birth Certificate, we need to file criminal charges against them as well
and someone time travelled to 1961 Hawaii to get those birth notices in the Hawaii papers, as both were produced from gov records, this would make a good movie!
Gen Jim Jones, former Marine Commandant is in on the scam too, he actually swore loyalty to Obama and America, Gates did the same, we need to issue arrest warrants for both traitors. Also entire cabinet selection needs to resign and serve Obama and America, those traitors.
We need to fire all those judges that dismissed this case, they are traitors
so many have been fooled by Condi Rice who is briefing him with secret reports, Powell who endorsed him, then there is Luger and Hagle and McCain, wow what a conspiracy!
You people telling the truth about Obama’s Kenyan birth, please send me your bank account and S/S No as I can get you in on So. African will and make you a fortune. And if you insist on proof then prove you are not loonies.

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To state that I, or anyone who believes the US Constitution should be upheld are allowing Rush Limbaugh (or anyone else) to do their thinking for them, is an often used tactic of those with weak arguments- “Don’t argue the facts, attack the other person.”
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Hahahaha! Must be the new phrase of the week for right-wing nuts — ‘ad hominem attacks’.
I heard that same ‘argument’ yesterday on Rush Limbaugh’s twin sister’s show (the Chris Plante show). Then I heard the same garbage put forth by Hannity. I was motivated to turn to another station.
Entertainment is so cool when the entertainers turn their audiences into additional sources of entertainment for bloggers. Thank you for the laughs.
You are not defending the constitution! You’re defending your sour grapes.
Former presidents’ birth rights to the presidency, you [may] ask.
A quick Internet search returns this:
Eight Presidents were born British subjects: Washington, J. Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, J. Q. Adams, Jackson, and W. Harrison.
Factcheck[dot]org did a piece on this back in August. The fact checker pointed out the source of the misinformation republicans have latched onto. There’s also a link to the apology from the misreporting author of all that bogus information.

Man, you’d think ABC news could get a story correct. Donofrio case has NOTHING to do with birthplace of Obama. That’s the Berg case. Donofrio simply sued his Secretary of State asking how she fulfilled her sworn duty to the citizens of New Jersey to place on the ballot only candidates eligible to hold the office. That’s it, pretty simple stuff. Apparently, the NJ Secretary of State did NOTHING other than take the word of the political parties that the candidates met the eligibility requirements to hold the office. How is that Secretary of State doing her job in that case?

I can’t help but think with all of the resources available to ABC news that they know darn well the Donofrio case does NOT question Obama’s U.S. citizenship status. This must be a deliberate effort to make Leo Donofrio look like another one of the “fringe” looking for his 15 minutes of fame. Leo Donofrio has REFUSED all TV interviews. This doesn’t sound like anyone looking for his 15 minutes. The only question is whether or not Obama meets the HIGHER standard of “natural born citizen” status set forth in the Constitution. Shame on ABC news.

I was born in 1962 and I have a certified copy of my birth certificate.
It looks NOTHING like that forgery that Obama ######### are trying to pass off as legit.
Where is the doctor’s name and signature?
Where is the doctor’s license number??
And what state is he licensed in??
Doctor’s work address?
Registration District number?
Child’s birth number?
Registered number???
Mother and Father’s name, age, occupation and their birthplace.
These are all on my birth certificate.

You people are killing me! If the man was not born here we would have know it by now as when you get your license, if you leave the country (which he has on many occasions before running for office) education, etc. there are many reason you have to present your birth certificate in this country. This is your last chance of the right wingers trying to force another 8 years of suffering on the people of this country. If you guys like to be miserable, do it and peace and leave us out of it! We put up with 8 lousy, miserable, draining, failing, USA going down the toilet years with your Bush then it’s time you receive our positive president. Get over yourselves please! The man was born here, plain and simple! If his parents were in college, why in the da heck would his mother travel down to Africa with baby busting out of her and husband that probably only had one pass back to Africa and wouldn’t be able to come back to America if he left school for the birth of their child? Does it make sense to you? Furthermore, an 8 year old child who was moved to Indonesia by his mother can not renounce his citizenship! You people are really grasping at straws and it’s really sad! The country needs to be fixed and I know you miserable people can’t stand the thought of doing better because standards scare the crap out of you! Well, why don’t you go live in a cave until the next time around if you can’t stand the see the country in good standing! You Republicans are unbelievable!

People…get over it….we have a black man for president. He is qualified, he is a citizen…he was born in the U.S. to an American woman. What about the illegals who come here and have a child…they are citizens…what is your problem?

If the shown birth certificate is a valid one, why doesn’t it have all of the other pertinent information on both parents like all of the other certificates issued, and why does it not have the stamp mark. It also doesn’t matter about his mother’s citizenship as she was not old enough to automatically pass on citizenship to her son if he was born in Kenya. Obama would have lost his citizenship when he was relocated to Indonesia as Indonesia does not recognize dual-citizenship and the only way Obama could have attended school there was to be an Indonesian citizen.

sorry, but what does it even mean that someone needs to have a tangible interest in a vital record? how does one go about having a tangible interest?

Why do you obama minions keep repeating the same excuses?
Just show the birth certificate. If your defense of Obama is ” Everyone knows he was born in the USA”. That is not evidence. SHOW THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
All other arguments and explanations are baloney.

Tangible Interest mean’s it’s their business.
You want just anyone to into your state’s offices and get a copy of your birth certificate?

Umh Mr. Frank,
How many different times does the man have to prove he is a citizen? How insulting for idiots trying to force you to tell them you are not! So what you are trying to insinuate is that because the man’s father is African that he wasn’t born here? Wow, I’m sorry for all of you first generation wherever you came from people out there. If your parents or parent wasn’t born here then your citizenship is questioned by Republican maniacs! Again, I wouldn’t satisfy this nonsense with attention either! I don’t blame President Obama. He doesn’t have to prove the obvious to any of you miscreants! Next you’ll be saying he has to prove he’s really male and that he really contributed to his daughter’s births. If he fashioned this mess with energy you people will find every ridiculous avenue to travel during his entire tenure just as you did Bill Clinton! You lost! Accept it!

Hey Frank,
Conspiracies never die–never. No matter how much evidence to the contrary is presented. That’s why in the US, it is not incumbant on an individual the disprove every challenge to their legitimacy. Rather, if you have credible evidience showing Oboama is NOT a citizen, then YOU show it. So far, we only have heard theories and opinions–no evidence.

Great circular argument. Yes, I just happen to have Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate right here in my pocket.
When you get your driver’s license do you tell the Sec. of State, ” I don’t have to show my birth certificate, prove I was not born in the USA”??? When I joined the US Army did I tell them to go pound sand when they asked for my BC?????
FIVE SIMPLE FACTS
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1. Barack Obama was born on August 4th, 1961.
2. The nation of Kenya declared independence from the U.K. on December 12th, 1963.
3. At the time of Obama’s birth, his Kenyan father was a British citizen. According to U.S. Law, BOTH parents of a person have to be U.S. Citizens at the time of the person’s birth in order for that person to be considered a “natural born” U.S. Citizen.
4. The U.S. Constitution requires that a President must be a “natural born” U.S. citizen.
5. Since Obama’s father was a British citizen at the time of his birth, Barack Obama cannot take the Oath of Office to become President of the United States because he is NOT a “natural born” U.S. Citizen.
God , are you minions braindead.

“Silence can only be equated with fraud when there is a legal and moral duty to speak or when an inquiry left unanswered would be intentionally misleading,” the ruling reads. “We cannot condone this shocking conduct … If that is the case we hope our message is clear. This sort of deception will not be tolerated and if this is routine it should be corrected immediately.”
”United States v. Prudden, 424 F.2d 1021 (5th Cir. 1970), cert. denied, 400 U.S. 831 (1970).

If the court decides to uphold the Constitution, it tosses out both Obama and McCain as ineligible, using Donofrio’s analysis. Since the VPs are tied to the Presidential candidates in terms of Electoral College voting, there is no automatic “punt” to the next ladder step down.
The House of Representatives only gets involved in choosing a President if the Electoral College ends up in a tie or some inability to cast a majority of electoral votes to someone. (And, it votes with ONE VOTE per STATE, with each states’ delegation casting lots for how that vote should go and “majority rules” deciding.)
I guess the Electoral College could meet with an understanding that they’re in “fresh slate” territory. Has anyone done research into whether there are state statutes which bind the electors to vote for how the popular vote went?
California, by the way, is “down” one elector. They carried over a Democrat from an old list who had died, and the rules are you can’t replace a name after the popular vote which is, in reality, a vote for ELECTORS as much (if not more) as for candidates on the ballot.

But that doesn’t matter. The faux controversy isn’t going to go away soon. Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii, and yes, he is eligible to be president. But according to several experts in conspiracy theories, and in the psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories, there’s little chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency will ever be convinced otherwise. “There’s no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody’s mind,” says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master’s degree in psychology. “The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it… Once you’re committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind.”
Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory “develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence,” Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. “As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy.”
Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. “One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special,” Harrington says. “The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they’ll have convenient ways to discredit [it].”

pheffler: The Supreme Court is not scheduled to decide Obama’s Citizenship, but his eligibility to hold the office of the President of the US.
The US Constitution states “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President”. Obama is not qualified to hold the office of the President of the US because he is NOT a natural born Citizen according to the Constitution. Whether he was born in Hawaii or not, his biological father was from Kenya, giving Obama dual citizenship (and loyalties) at birth, which, according to the framers of the Constitution, who didn’t even consider themselves “natural born Citizens” (being born on US soil by two parents who were Both born on US soil). Obama is no doubt a US Citizen, even a born Citizen, but NOT a natural born Citizen, according to the US Constitution.
It is the Supreme Court’s job to uphold the Laws of the US Constitution. No one can deny that Obama’s father was not born on US soil and no one can deny that Obama is not 200+ years old (born at the time of the adoption of the Constitution). These facts alone disqualify Obama to hold the office of the President of the United States of America.
According to Title 28, Chapter I, Part 453 of the United States Code, each Supreme Court Justice takes the following oath:
“I, [NAME], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as [TITLE] under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.”
The Supreme Court is obligated, by sworn oath, to administer justice without respect to persons; and the framers of the Constitution were very clear regarding who is eligible to hold the highest office in the US. This cannot be taken lightly or ignored. If we ignore this, why follow any Constitutional Law? Think of the butterfly effect – disregard this law and eventually the whole Constitution will be ignored and anything goes in America. There is no compromising just to keep the masses happy.
If we do not abide by Constitutional Law, then how is our country, which has always been based on upholding, protecting and defending the Constitution at all cost, ever to survive?
December 5, 10:24 AM

Sol – You don’t apply to run for President like you do for any other job. Each state is supposed to verify that the person being placed on the ballot is eligible. However, no State questioned or asked for verification from ANY of the presidental hopefuls.

Steve—”Obama, spend the $12 bucks and get the long form document.” why don’t you pay the $12. the President-Elect is spending money on this suit (although he will be reimbursed for attorneys’ fees. he only needs to show his birth certificate, which he has alrady done, to people who have legal authority to see it. he has published it online for the curious.

Hey Frank
What does the status of Obama’s father as a brit have to do with anything. Obama was born on US soil… he is a citizen.

Again, name ONE single US President in our entire history, other than the Founding Fathers that wrote a “grandfather clause” in the Constitution allowing them to serve, that was not born on U.S. soil with two U.S. citizens for Presidents. You cannot do so. It has never happened. And don’t give me rumors about Chester Arthur, give me something verifiable. The historical definition of “natural born citizen” has ALWAYS been “born on U.S. soil with 2 U.S. citizens as parents”. Why is this not true for Obama? Answer: Because the media has chosen their candidate and we must accept him.

Its simply ludicrous for anyone to contrive the notion that Barack Obama was not born in the US.Does he look like a moron to these rodents who are trying to pass him off as such. How on earth could he have embarked on this gargantuan journey of a lifetime if he was not sure of what he was qualified for? Are they treating the fact that he’s also a constitutional lawyer with levity? Its simply hocus pocus and sublime nonesense.

Bob Lees – How do you know he was born on U.S. soil? Were you there? What about his Kenyan grandmother who insists she was present at his birth in Kenya? Obama could put all this to rest easily – by providing the long form of his official birth certificate from Hawaii.

“So why doesn’t he, instead of spending thousands of dollars for lawyers?”
This has been asked dozens of times.
What is the source for knowing what Obama has spent on legal expenses?
This seems very much to be a claim made out of thin air to give a sinister edge to Obama.
Not surprising that the right wing needs many lies to support their big lie.
“And why did Kenya seal all of the birth records there for that time period?”
Oh look another lie spread by WMD just like the lie that Obama’s HI birth certificate was sealed by the Governor.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie

“I’ll have you know that I personally submitted a Certificate of Live Birth (at the time, I had no clue there was such thing as a long-form) for a Passport and it was promptly returned to me and I was told EMPHATICALLY that I MUST submit a long-form certified copy of the vault Birth Certificate in order to receive a Passport.”
From the State dept on getting a passport.
Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):
Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport
Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*
Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
Naturalization Certificate
Certificate of Citizenship
*A certified birth certificate has a registrar’s raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
“since has clearly admits he held dual-citizenship at birth, rendering him ineligable to be POTUS.”
That is Donofrio’s interpretation of the events.
His theory that both parents must be US citizens while being born in the US as the definition of natural born.
To get to that point he relies upon English common law and supposed natural law that only confers citizenship from the father.

OK, many of you think he was born in Hawaii. Please provide a link to a definitive document stating such. Even in Hawaii, the COLB is not definitive enough for their own purposes at the state level. Yet for many of you, a document less than adequate to confirm status at the state level, is sufficient at the POTUS level. Is that not a bid odd or disingenuous on your part. Purposeful and willful ignorance of the facts is not refutation of what is known. Right now NO ONE has ANY proof he was born on US Soil. NONE. I challenge anyone to provide a link to something conclusive and definitively showing he was born on US soil, where, doctor, etc. There is nothing to date disseminated. Bring it. This will be fun.

Ryan C – How does a birth announcement in a newspaper prove he was born in Hawaii? All it proves is that someone placed it in the newspaper. I could have put my children’s births in a newspaper in Hawaii even though they were born in Pennsylvania.

ellsbells930—what’s “fishy”. he has shown authenticated birth certificate (“long form”) to authorities who had a legal right to see it throughout his life. if someone smells fish and spend a bunch of money, go ahead. the President-Elect probably doesn’t even know about the foolish suit. Mr. Berg’s was thrown out, dismissed without hearing (guess he couldn’t come up with his tapes and faked documents).
should we have the right to just demand to see his birth certificate? how would you like to have your privacy raided just because someone smells fish?

ellsbells930 is 100% misinformed, beginning with not knowing the difference between the “long” and “short” form birth certificate. I am so tied of explaining this to people with hands over their eyes and fingers in their ears.

Re the founding father exclusion… Van Buren’s mother was not born in the U.S. (dutch) and his father could not have been a U.S. citizen given the date of his birth. Van Buren was also not a founding father since he was born in 1782. The whole case is moot.
The only difference between Obama’s parents and Van Buren’s parents is that Obama’s African father’s citizenship is contrasted against Van Buren’s Dutch mother’s citizenship.

Paul Wall, you wrote:
“zeb—burden of proof is on petitioner or plaintiff, not the President-Elect. just because you haven’t seen his birth certificate doesn’t mean he ‘HAS’ to show you anything.”
If a state asks to see your birth certificate before you can get a driver’s license, is the “burden of proof” on the state? If you say you’re a U.S. citizen when you come to the border, is the burden of proof on the U.S. to prove you don’t have an American passport, or instead do they ask you for one? The burden of proof SHOULD be on the person running for office, and every American should recognize their own interest in upholding the Constitution. Whether or not citizen lawsuits are the proper legal form for forcing Obama to disclose his birth certificate, it should happen somehow.
I have read that all that’s required of presidential candidates to “prove” they meet the qualifications for President is to attest to it in writing, “’Constitutional crisis’ looming over Obama’s birth location,” WorldNetDaily).
That HAS to change.
No matter what happens, we need to make sure laws are passed to ensure that every one who runs for President absolutely MUST publicly present all of their proof of eligibility. That’s really not too much to ask, is it?
I have learned a lot from this controversy about birth certificates, citizenship and what being a “natural-born citizen” means or might mean (even the laws about it are somewhat murky). The NY Times ran an interesting article on questions about McCain’s eligibility – “McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out.”
And I appreciate all the efforts to push this issue since Obama hasn’t been forthcoming about his birth certificate. Who really knows what the truth is, but it doesn’t seem that we’ve quite gotten to the bottom of things.
And that citizens can and do pursue matters like this is what separates us, with a democracy, from the dictatorships of this world, where people fear the government rather than the other way around (See “Crises in the Koreas,” MSNBC). Here we can push for openness where other people get thrown in prison if not tortured or shot just for uttering one small wrong remark or getting one wrong person in the government mad. We should remember to be thankful for that. And, yes, in a democracy, it’s very often the opposition that pushes the other side to come clean. That works both ways.

The Donofrio “DISTRIBUTED for Conference” did not make it to “Consideration”
The Dec 5 Donofrio “DISTRIBUTED for Conference” is over and Donofrio Docket did not become a case. It is no longer on Court list. The 5th is gone, too bad!

Obama won and McCain lost.
Sore loser crybabies need to quit their crying and get a life.

This has nothing to do with anti Obama tactics, this has everything to do with maintaining the integrity of our US Constitution.!
There are a lot of problems with the birth certificate that is online, it has been viewed by forgery experts and declared a fake which just starts the list of problems with proof of citizenship. For instance Barack Obama could have been born on Mars and his mother could have gotten a COLB from Hawaii, but then Hawaii keeps the long form or original birth certificate in their vaults
Therefore, Mr. Obama could have been born in Africa and have a Hawaii birth certificate like the one he is showing. His sister was born in Indonesia and has a similar Hawaii COLB. Hawaii has the vault copy of the original birth certificate which could be from Africa and all Mr. Obama has to do is have them release it. If there isn’t something to hide, then why hire attorneys to keep his certificate in the vault????
Second of all, there have been claims that Kenyan relatives of Mr. Obama were at his birth in Africa, not Hawaii. Also, the Kenyan government has sealed his records in Africa. If he wasn’t born there, why would records need to be sealed at the hospital?
Third of all the Constitution of the United States of America states that in order to qualify to be president of the United States, the person cannot have held a dual citizenship. If Mr. Obama was a US citizen at anytime up until age 21 he also held a dual citizenship between (British colony and then Kenya) Africa. Also, he was adopted by his stepfather Leo Soetoro and moved to Indonesia, where he and his mother became Indonesian citizens, since Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. It appears that he used that Indonesian citizenship to travel to that area when US citizens were not allowed to be in that country
It is not like the American citizens are asking for the “moon” We are asking for the vault certificate in Hawaii to be produced; release of passport records under what citizenship he was traveling when going to Africa and Indonesia, and last of all his college records showing who paid for his education. That in itself sounds like it would also clarify his citizenship and that there was questionable foreign financial backing in his education.
Our constitution is the glue that makes our country the best in the world in my view. I feel that if Mr. Obama has nothing to be concerned about then why not supply the information requested eagerly to end all the speculation??????
I encourage everyone to pursue the truth to prevent a constitutional crisis!

BTW, linking to other blogs is not proof.
Please, provide legal authority for your proposition. Because other states — Michigan, Arizona, Florida, etc. — also allow registrations of foreign births, so this is an issue of burning importance.

the “born in Kenya” scam is an example of Agnotology.
Agnotology is the study of the politics of ignorance, the primary component is “doubt”, for example tobacco companies manufactured doubt as to danger of smoking, the initial believers of this smoking “doubt” were right wing anti-regulation types as they are quite easy to manipulate. Currently, the manufacture of doubt on Obama is the focus of these right wing ideologues. Tobacco companies were the first to fully use Agnotology followed by global warming denialists and now the “born in Kenya” scam. By creating doubt they can lead to the active creation of ignorance (as you can witness by many posts here). Basically Agnotology identifies and documents the creation of ignorance. The results desired are driven by ideology as that makes for a much stronger “doubt” creation.
For additional info or study scour the web for “Robert Proctor” or “Agnotology”.

I was born in 1962 and I have certified copies of my birth certificate. My certificate looks NOTHING like that forgery that Obama has posted on his website and other sites.
Where is the following information?
1.Registration District No?
2.Registered No?
3.Child’s birth No?
4.Mother’s place of birth
5. Father’s place of birth
6. Father’s occupation
7.Doctor’s name
8. Doctor’s signature
9. Doctor’s place of work
10. Doctor’s license number
11. State he is licensed in?

“I was born in 1962 and I have certified copies of my birth certificate. My certificate looks NOTHING like that forgery that Obama has posted on his website and other sites.”
my daughter born in Hawaii 1965 and needing a passport recently requested and received birth certificate from Hawaii, it looks exactly the same. Hawaii will only send a form listing data from vital records, they will not send a “vault” copy to any one, including Obama, you are an idiot. Why don’t you file charges against Hawaii for that fake BC , or charges against US State Dept for issuing passport, or charges against those Hawaii newspaper that used time machines to print Obama’s birth announcement in 1961. Write to Gen Jim Jones as he swore allegiance to Obama and America as did Gates, or file charges against Bush for aiding the transition or complain about those 48 Governors that gave Obama a standing ovation. why don’t you post all of your data on line dummy.
the largest audience in History will view Obama’s inauguration. A millionaire, Earl W. Stafford, from our neck of the woods rented an entire hotel and is donating 300 rooms to average people free so they can participate in this historic event. With that kind of enthusiasm do you think the “born in Kenya” haters have any chance at all in effecting the outcome? Your anti-America rants are a waste of time.

08A407 DONOFRIO, LEO C. V. WELLS, NJ SEC. OF STATE
The application for stay addressed to Justice Thomas and
referred to the Court is denied.
what now dear dummies, what will you say Supreme Court in on the scam?

Its clear that OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA.
Hawaii officials have just ‘verified’ they have never stated ‘he was born in hawaii’. Look at it this way: if he was born in Hawaii he would immediately release an authentic long form online, not this pathetic forged short form. There is NO advantage for Obama camp to have negative rumors going around, but there is simply no document, or should i say it says something embarassing that would cost him the presidency…

He looks like an American, sounds like an American — even seems to think like an American…doubt he’s a Brit or Muslim..or a space alien!
Let’s go ahead and let him be President..I think it’ll be O.K.

For what it is worth, today the Supreme Court threw out the Donofrio Case. The Berg Case is still pending, but the issue in that case is still whether Berg has standing to sue.
IF Berg were to win on the issue of his being able to sue, the case would go back to the original court that heard the case to determine the facts. That could take months.

Ryan C, you wrote:
“Erika talks of facts and then cites World Nut Daily.”
I’ve been reading WorldNetDaily for years now, and it’s not perfect, but it’s still an excellent news source and in my opinion altogether more credible than the liberal establishment media (which has its own flaws). I check its facts, like I check those on every other site, including of the big news media, but I’m even more careful of WND because it is a small site going against the grain in the news business (being Christian and conservative). And its stories have checked out over and over again. It reports on stories big and small that the liberal establishment media doesn’t cover, as well as stories from here and abroad that make local news but that our national media ignore or are censoring. People can put WorldNetDaily to their own test, though. They can read it for awhile and see whether or not they hear about a lot of things they probably wouldn’t have otherwise, and whether or not those stories are credible.

Re: “Furthermore, Hawaii law, at the time of Obama’s birth, allowed for children born in another state or on a foreign country to be registered as born in Hawaii.”
NO. This is not true. Hawaii law at the time, and still, allows the children of residents of Hawaii to be given a Hawaii birth document even if they were not born in Hawaii. BUT that birth document cannot say “born in Hawaii” if they were not born in Hawaii.
They would receive a Hawaii birth document (a certification of live birth), which would list the name, the time of birth, the parents, etc, and then when there is a line: “Location of birth” it must fill in that information accurately and not lie and claim that the person was born in Hawaii if she or he wasn’t.
In Obama’s case that would result in a Colb (certification of live birth) that said “born in Kenya.” But we know that Obama’s COLB says “born in Hawaii.”

Re: “If Obama would authorize the release of his birth certificate from Hawaii, this issue wouldn’t exist. But he keeps refusing. And spent over half a million dollars in legal fees to avoid doing that. Not to mention taxpayer money on the courts.
It’s kind of fishy, no? Why won’t he release it?”
He HAS released it. The State of Hawaii issues only one birth document, the certification of live birth, which is what Obama placed on line and showed to FactCheck and PoliFact.
That’s the only birth document issued these days. Hawaii does not issue original birth certificates. It only issues the COLB, which is a modern, laser-printed document certifying that there is evidence that Obama was born at the time and place stated.
If you say, “I have read on other blogs that you can get a document other than the certification of live birth,” then they are simply wrong. I have been in e-mail communication with the DOH of Hawaii, and they say that they issue only the COLB.

Re: “If Obama would authorize the release of his birth certificate from Hawaii, this issue wouldn’t exist. But he keeps refusing. And spent over half a million dollars in legal fees to avoid doing that. Not to mention taxpayer money on the courts.
It’s kind of fishy, no? Why won’t he release it?”
As you know, Obama has released his Certification of Live Birth, which states that he was born in Hawaii.
What you do not know is that the government of Hawaii will release ONLY the Certification of Live Birth.
I have been in e-mail correspondence with the Department of Health of Hawaii, which says that it is the only department that issues birth documents, and it only releases the computer-generated, laser-printed form that we know as the Certification of Live Birth.
Here is what the Department of Health says:
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It is possible that we have records with more information but we issue only certified computer-generated certificates with certain necessary information to confirm a birth. We are the only agency that issues certified birth records for Hawaii
Aloha,
(Name removed)
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So to keep crying “why doesn’t he authorize” when he cannot show anything more than the COLB is irrational.
Please stop.