Dec 2, 2008 11:42am

Charlie’s Interview with President Bush

The esteemed Mr. Gibson sat down with President and First Lady Bush for an interview that ran yesterday on World News.

Asked what he was "most unprepared for," the President said, "I think I was unprepared for war. In other words, I didn’t campaign and say, ‘Please vote for me, I’ll be able to handle an attack.’ In other words, I didn’t anticipate war. Presidents — one of the things about the modern presidency is that the unexpected will happen."

Asked his biggest regret, Mr. Bush said, "the biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq. A lot of people put their reputations on the line and said the weapons of mass destruction is a reason to remove Saddam Hussein. It wasn’t just people in my administration; a lot of members in Congress, prior to my arrival in Washington D.C., during the debate on Iraq, a lot of leaders of nations around the world were all looking at the same intelligence. And, you know, that’s not a do-over, but I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess."

At Talking Points Memo, Greg Sargent takes issue with how these remarks have been cast by some in the media.

"This really isn’t complicated," Sargent writes. "President Bush was not being ‘blunt’ or showing ‘candor’… Rather, he was whitewashing away his own role in the fiasco by promoting the demonstrable falsehood that there was no available evidence or information that argued against war and that he was merely fooled into invading Iraq solely by the bad intel."

"The big news orgs seem eager to help Bush do this," Sargent continues. "Not a single one of their reports on the interview that we can find bothered to tell readers that there was plenty of good intel — ignored by the Bush administration — saying that Saddam wasn’t the threat Bush was claiming he was. Nor did any of them bother mentioning that the weapons inspectors in Iraq were saying the same thing — something that also went ignored… Let’s go over this very slowly. For Bush to blame the failure of intel for his decision to invade is not a concession at all, and it is not an admission of failure on his part. Rather, it is the opposite of these things. It is an evasion of responsibility for what happened."

On another note, I was a guest on Dennis Miller’s radio show this morning, and Miller commented that, especially given the Mumbai attacks, he doesn’t think President Bush gets enough credit for actions taken that prevented any further terrorism on U.S. soil since 9/11.

This is something the First Lady commented on in Charlie’s interview: "I think they think he’s somebody that kept them safe for eight years," she said of her husband. "I hear that all the time, people thanking me, telling me to thank him."

Is it possible to agree with Sargent, Miller and the First Lady all at the same time? What do you make of this?

– jpt

User Comments

I think you can agree with all three. Saying that Bush needs to take responsibility for the decision doesn’t take away from the fact that he deserves some credit for keeping us safe.
By the way, Jake, love it when you come on DM’s show. Great balanced views and I thank you.

Posted by: Jen B. | December 2, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

The Bush decision to launch a stupid, unjustified war and to commit torture did not enhance our security. Guantanamo, Iraq, holding people for years without charges or recourse to a court all served to put Americans and american soldiers at greater risk. For Bush to blame faulty intelligence for his poor decisions is pathetic especially because his administration was involved in cooking the evidence. The media dutifully repeats this latest lie because you were cheering him on, hoping for a war.

Posted by: ed | December 2, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Only Greg Sargent was being reasonable and accurate in his assessment of the events. Were the others lying thru their teeth?

Posted by: jbrownski | December 2, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

Asked what he was “most unprepared for,”
that would be the presidency, don’t you think?

Posted by: JR | December 2, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

“an evasion of responsibility”
that sums up the whole Bush administration.

Posted by: JR | December 2, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

I miss you Pres.Bush

Posted by: isabelle li | December 2, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

I think that Pres Bush is probably a good man, he has kept us safe and I also think that you can agree with all three. I think he acted on bad intel, but also with ulterior motives, perhaps oil or finishing daddys job, I don’t know. More than anything, I think he gets some pretty bad raps from the media and from the blogs…In a few years that will lighten…I mean look what happened with Clinton, everyone was sick of him and his antics, Gore wouldn’t even allow him to campaign…a few years later, he was godlike to most…go figure.

Posted by: samhiguchi | December 2, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

Asked what he was “most unprepared for:
Iraq and the freakin Economy!!
What a LOSER and LIAR!!!
Always side stepping his role and responsiblity as PRESIDENT!!
Jan. 20th can not come any faster!!!

Posted by: sisterdearest09 | December 2, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

Arun, you shouldn’t believe everything you see while watching “24″. George “Bring’em on” Bush was the best thing that ever happened to Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. Compound his foolish, macho hubris with the incompetence of Rumsfeld and the sheer greed and malice of Cheney and what you have is most certainly not more security. This administration failed us in every way imaginable.

Posted by: Ed | December 2, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

I don’t think Mumbai is a good example, with the gist of Miller’s remarks being it happened there when it could have happened here. I think we have the oceans to thank instead.

Posted by: kat | December 2, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

I think we have the oceans to thank instead.
________
Yeah, because boats and planes don’t exist.

Posted by: Jen B. | December 2, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

I beleive Mr Bush was being Candid and open and honest.
I think He was given a raw deal over it all. By the media, the Democratic Party, and Mr Obama.
Remember this went the UN, with all the other nations involved. The all backed the war.
Combining all the intelligences of all the nations, taking it before the UN, then before Congress.
All made the decision to enter into a war.
Mr Bush did keep us Safe, and no further terrorism on US Soil.
Continued to pursue Terrorism in Afghanistan.
I beleive The Democrats went to extreme measures over emphazing it all. To make it their platform to run on. The war and the cost of the war.
We won the war, and staying for humane reasons until the Iraq people can fend for themselves.
We will see what happens with the new President. I beleive the world has him marked as a easy push over. That would give in and up instead of fighting For the freedom and rights of Every American. It will take more than prayers to keep terror from coming onto American Soil.

Posted by: seah | December 2, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

“Yeah, because boats and planes don’t exist.”
Jen- Of course they exist, just as geographical barriers do to terrorism.

Posted by: kat | December 2, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

A cousin of Saddam Hussein, he was considered one of the most powerful and brutal men in Saddam’s inner circle. It is his second death sentence after he was condemned last year to be hanged on five separate charges for his role in a 1980s genocide campaign in the Kurdish northeast. “Chemical Ali” earned his nickname for his poisoned gas attacks on the village of Halabja and his crushing of the Kurdish autonomy campaign that killed up to 100,000 Kurds.
For a long time they have had the ability for Chemical weapons, which are WMD.
They even used them on their own people.

Posted by: seah | December 2, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

Jen- Of course they exist, just as geographical barriers do to terrorism
__________
So the geographical barriers didn’t exist on 9/11 then.

Posted by: Jen B. | December 2, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm

Jen – First of all, I was asserting that historically, geographic barriers ward off attacks. And the Atlantic Ocean has most certainly provided a good barrier, something which the European countries could have used in their post 911 terrorist attacks. In respect to the national tragedy of 911, which occurred under Bush’s watch, many have suggested with credibility that it could have been prevented. During his vacation time in Crawford in Aug. of 01, he did receive a specific memo that Bin Laden was attempting to a mass attack on the US and could use hijacked plans as a means. As the result of a perhaps avoidable tragedy, the security of national ann international flights has been improved as it should have been. But it was belated. I’m not aware of significant security improvements made to ports. They remain frighteningly vulnerable.
Look, Jen, I don’t like to rehash what all has gone wrong in the past eight years, so I tend to keep it short and sweet on the Bush years. Except obviously, when a Bush apologist makes issue on my reticence to complain about the past.

Posted by: kat | December 2, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

Too bad Bush did not listen to his church, United Methodist, when Jim Winkler, head of social justice wrote him a letter before Bush declared war.
The letter said there was no evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction pointed at ant country. Winkler wanted the US to work with France and other countries to find the weapons.
Winkler told Bush that the war was against the teachings of Christ. He reminded Bush that the the people of Iraq were already in bad conditions.
Instead Bush/Cheney have killed over a million innocent people. 4,200 US military and millions of wounded military and civilians.
In 2006, Winkler called for the impeachment of United Methodist Church members Bush & Cheney

Posted by: Julie | December 2, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

Sargent is correct, and Gibson carried more than his share of the water.

Posted by: dragon | December 2, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

He still is the worst President in the history of the United States of America. He still does not know it, let alone understand it. Good riddance!

Posted by: Larry Linn | December 2, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Kat, first off, apologies for the snarkiness of my posts. I could have been more reasonable, but I was trying to make a point.
I’m not a Bush apologist, I’m a realist. I would no more claim that our safety over the past 7 plus years has been solely because of Bush than I would accept a claim that it is merely geography that has kept us safe.
The point I was trying to make, albeit a tad rudely, was that there is a tendency with ideologues to have Bush be the catch-all with no credit given or be (and I’ll use your word here) complete apologists for all his actions. The truth lies somewhere in between. That’s the reality that I’m looking for instead of blind talking points.
It’s actually the reality that Dennis Miller looks for on his radio program as well. He’s not a blind puppet of the right, despite the hateful depictions of him in Nazi garb on the Web that his kids have to see.
Again, I apologize for the way I put things earlier. Battle reflexes from arguing reality vs. perception of reality.

Posted by: Jen B. | December 2, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

My house was not broken into over the last 20 years. Should I brag about it?
A tornado has not landed in my town for 15 years. I am the protector.

Posted by: Saged | December 2, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

Jen- You’re in for an unending battle if you believe that you’re in the position of arguing reality to the perceptions of reality. And battle reflexes outside actual battle conditions are internally generated and controllable. But apologies are graciously accepted.

Posted by: kat | December 2, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

only the criminal who think mr president Bush is a loser.
he’s the best president in the 20 century.believe or not , is your choice.
but he is !!!!!!
america is save in his hands.
Thank you

Posted by: the 50's | December 2, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

I don’t know how we can evaluate the intelligence Bush received on Iraq without looking at the intelligence Clinton received.
Bush didn’t create the “Hussein is a horrible man” storyline, and the media didn’t believe it just because Bush said it. It was something Americans “knew” for the previous 10 years.
What I think is unfair are the criticisms of Bush’s choices that assume he made them out of incompetence or for nefarious reasons.
I can’t imagine what it would have been like to be President on 9/11 and to desperately want to keep it from happening again. Some choices might have been wrong, but I believe they were done for the right reasons.
Obama will be in charge of a war soon enough. He’ll be in charge of CIA interrogations soon enough. He’ll be tested soon enough. The Greg Sargents of this world better hope his political opponents and the media don’t try to destroy him for unpopular choices like they’ve tried to destroy Bush.

Posted by: MayBee | December 2, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

President Bush had the right intentions for the american people. He got stuck with 9/11, due to the failures of the Clinton administration pursuing Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. Bush put them on the run. Bush’s problem was he surrounded himself with cold war croonies. If you have ever been in the military, all the top brass said going to war with Iraq is not the option. Instead Rumsfeld fired them all and forced them to retire. Then surrounded himself with top brass that would suck up to him and follow his orders. Nope Bush was a puppet. Used to start this war, from his own staff, down to other nations intelligence, and the media. Before the UN and then to Congress. No one said no to the war. It was a personal vendetta by the world. With the world not taking into account how the Arab world would react. Bush was to lead it. He kept us safe after 9/11 for 7 years. He might be considered the worst President in US history, but only because his staff manipulated every situation, lying to him and not giving all the facts. Jimmy Carter faired no better from his staff. By the time he found out about Operation Desert Eagle, it was already in motion. Without his approval. Its not the first time staffers manipulate a President for their own personal reasons. Its been done over and over to many Presidents and world leaders. Bush should have been more alert and listened to the lesser staff members who said no. He after all was the final decision, so yes I agree he take full responsibility. But to let Rumsfeld and Cheney get away from it all is injustice. They manipulated it and should be held in contempt and conspriracy charges to the american people.

Posted by: dotsor | December 2, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Wow, are you kidding me? After loosing thousands of soldiers, billions of dollars, lot of civilians death etc. Now you are saying intelligence were falsified. What a mess in bush’s brain! Some people are just living right, they don’t even know how! It’s all because of Bush.
Mo

Posted by: Mo | December 2, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

Saged, Thank you!
I am certainly not a Bush critic. I don’t take notice of him much and if I do, I may lean more towards liking him (may). BUT, “kept people safe”?? Really? Are people serious about giving him credit for their lives? Foreign attacks in America are not an everyday thing. They are not even an every-10-years thing so it’s not like he stopped something that was destined to happen. Was there a particular plot that he stopped? I happen to believe that we would have heard about it had there been one such plot that Bush managed to stop. So if he would like to be remembered for keeping people safe, should he be held accountable for the thousands who died from homicide, suicide and other preventable deaths? If his job was keeping people safe, it should apply to everyone, right? I am not even mentioning the millions in Iraq (Americans included). Anyways…

Posted by: Question | December 2, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

I watched a little of the interview and as far as I’m concerned, that interview just underlined the fact that Dubya is a permanent resident in La-La land.

Posted by: jan | December 2, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

Bush’s interview, yawn….. Just more of the same kook-headed bs blather we’ve all endured for the past 8 years. Find another topic Jake, please, rather than to subject us to bad memories of a bad guy named Dubya!

Posted by: buzzie | December 2, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

Bush was not taking the chance on Saddam. Even the FBI agent who interviewed Saddam asked him why he didn’t come out and say that he didn’t have WMD’s and he said it kept the illusion up for Iran, so they would fear him. Then he mentioned that he miscalculated Bush and thought he would only do air raids.
Don’t forget all of the cat and mouse games Saddam played in the 90′s. Maybe Bush didnt want to take the chance and trust Saddam’s word.
The fact is there have been no more attacks on US soil and there have been plenty of threats.

Posted by: Rick | December 3, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am

Rick
re your post.
‘Don’t forget all of the cat and mouse games Saddam played in the 90′s. Maybe Bush didn’t want to take the chance and trust Saddam’s word.’
by that kind of ‘logic’, North Korea, Iran, Syria, Russia, China, should be attacked in the next 2 months before ‘W’ leaves office.

Posted by: dewde | December 3, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

Bush will be remembered for:
- starting the Iraq War without cause
- Abu Ghraib, torture, Guantanamo
- not finishing and under resourcing the Afghanistan War as well as Iraq.
- closing down diplomacy with the rest of the world
- Hurricane Katrina
- “bring it on” & “mission accomplished”
- ‘signing statements’ to avoid comply with laws
- presiding and doing little during an economic melt-down
- beneficial HIV aid to Africa
- advocating the teaching of ‘creation science’ in public schools…
I could go on….. but you get the idea…..

Posted by: Blue | December 3, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am

1 more thing:
re: “Mr. Bush said, “the biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq.”
Not surprisingly, Bush couldn’t do it, trying to couch it in the ‘intelligence failure’ aspect of his comments but
there’s the 4200+ dead American military and maybe 30 to 40 thousand wounded,
who knows how many non-combatants in the war zone.

Posted by: Blue | December 3, 2008, 2:24 am 2:24 am

This guy grows more pathetic daily. It’s almost painful to watch this stuff. How can anyone be this out of touch with reality? Everything that went wrong was someone else’s fault.
History will determine where he ranks on the list of “worst Presidents.”
In the mean time, he should go back to Crawford and cut brush…the only activity he engages in where he can’t possibly screw anything up.
We now have grownups in Washington who will clean up the messes that he and his incompetent hacks have left us. Good riddance.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | December 3, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am

“The fact is there have been no more attacks on US soil and there have been plenty of threats.”
Yes, no more attacks on US soil but worldwide terrorism has skyrocketed.
But it does amuse me that right wingers continue to trump Bush preventing any more attacks while ignoring the attack he completely bungled protecting us from that resulted in 3000 dead.

Posted by: Ryan C | December 3, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Let’s look at this portion of the interview closely:
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GIBSON: You’ve always said there’s no do-overs as President. If you had one?
BUSH: I don’t know — the biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq. … And, you know, that’s not a do-over, but I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess.
GIBSON: If the intelligence had been right, would there have been an Iraq war?
BUSH: Yes, because Saddam Hussein was unwilling to let the inspectors go in to determine whether or not the U.N. resolutions were being upheld. In other words, if he had had weapons of mass destruction, would there have been a war? Absolutely.
GIBSON: No, if you had known he didn’t.
BUSH: Oh, I see what you’re saying. You know, that’s an interesting question. That is a do-over that I can’t do. It’s hard for me to speculate.
—-
Besides the obvious mendacity of W regarding Gibson’s question forcing him to clarify “No, if you had known he didn’t” (it is obvious that Bush knew exactly what Gibson meant and was trying to avoid answering it), consider what, if we take him at his (worthless) word, what the implications are. If Bush wishes that the “intelligence was different” and by “different” or “right”, if you follow his contorted evasion, then Bush wishes that it was *true* that Saddam Hussein *did*, in fact, have weapons of mass destruction. Why would a U.S. President, or any responsible world leader, or any decent person at all wish that someone as evil as Saddam Hussein would have WMD?
No matter which way you interpret it, Bush is damned. He was either nakedly disingenuous about “misunderstanding” Gibson’s question, or if he was truthful (cough, cough), what he really wished was that an evil megalomaniac had WMD.
I could see through this immature, dishonest, and vapid empty suit in 2000, why is/was it so hard for so many Americans to see through it?

Posted by: robert bristow-johnson | December 5, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

Oh, the other question to ask (and that Charlie should have pursued) was, is Bush really saying that there was any likelihood at all that he would have invaded Iraq anyway, if he *had* known (and admitted to himself and the country)?? If the “faulty” intelligence was the justification for going to war and killing thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, if he might have done it anyway, if the intel would have come out anyway, why bother with the intel in the first place?
This is the smoking pistol. Bush invaded Iraq knowing that there was no solid evidence for WMD or any of the other supporting reasons. He did it because he immaturely had dreams of being a “great president” and believed that historically only presidents at war get to be remembered as “great”.
I hope President Obama (re)signs the ICC accord, then they indict Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz for Human Rights Violations (the “extraordinary rendition” and the officially-sanctioned torture), and Obama has then arrested and quickly shipped off to The Hague where honest judges (not Bush’s buddies) get to hear any pain-in-the-ass Habeas Corpus motions.

Posted by: robert bristow-johnson | December 5, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

I woulld vote for this man again He has
did the best to keep us safe and free
President Bush has been a good President

Posted by: Joy W. | December 10, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

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