No Offense

I guess this means that pharmacists can refuse to dispense prescriptions that offend them, too.
Bush loves making us even sorrier that he got elected governor or president. (Just when you thought he couldn’t do any more damage……)I wonder what other insults he will hurl at the American public. Oh yeah, I forgot–he can pardon some of his cronies.

What really irritates me about this from my personal life is that I had to take b/c pills from the time I was 13 due to horrible female problems and those pills were the only thing that helped me up until my recent surgery. So what would I have done if my pharmacist decided they were against it? Yes, I could go elsewhere, but who the hell should have the right to deny what was medically necessary for me? It’s a load of BS!!

This is not a moral issue.At best abortion allows for the non existance of human life.Try as they might those in the medical red light district and political death culture cannot get the visual of silent scream out of their heads.The backdrop of human history will show pro abortion puppets for what they are.Who is more insane?The insane,or those who uphold the insane?

The country was founded on the freedom to express our personal beliefs. I see nothing wrong with people in the health care field following their beliefs. Some choose not to murder an unborn child while others choose to murder them. Which doctor would you prefer, one who honors life or one who does not.

A doctor should not be forced to perform an abortion any more than a doctor should be forced to kill on of their neighbor’s children.
MURDER IS MURDER……whether you believe in God or not.

Bush is undermining a basic principle of being a careprovider: providing care WITHOUT JUDGMENT. Those of us trained in these arts know that a decent care provider does not choose his or her patients. We must provide compassionate compare to all!

Yeah – that’s a great ruling – I’m all for it…..

I am so glad that this is such a pressing issue for GW. The economy is in the crapped, there are two wars waging with soldiers dying left and right. I am so glad that Bush finds this issue more important. Now I really now what his priorities are. I will be so glad when he is out of office.

democrat’s want accessories to murder…hey quess what…some people are against abortion and don’t want to participate! simple…so you just got a prez that supports abortion but that seems not enough now you want to drag everyone with.

Gloria, you do realize that it is the year 2008 and this law applies to the US, correct? I’m not sure where you live, but I live in a place where we have more than one doctor. I could be wrong, maybe you’re living in the old west, and you only have access to one doctor. Maybe her name is Dr. Quinn, medicine woman? Perhaps you pay her in livestock, or ammunition? If Dr. Quinn decides she won’t give you any birth control, maybe you should hitch a ride on the railroad to the next settlement, where you could perhaps find a more willing doctor. Unfortunately for me, I can’t find a doctor who makes house calls, so the RESPONSIBILITY FALLS ON ME TO FIND ONE I LIKE.
P.S. Say hi to Sully and Horace for me if you see them at the general store.

So if a healthcare provider doesn’t want to treat you for any reason that’s ok? Bush is a total moron as are his loser supporters. No wonder the majority of americans reject Bush and his supporters. Worst President ever! Thank God Obama will reverse these moronic decisions Bush has made that have brought America down.

If babies were born speaking, there would be no abortion.

Gosh, I guess as a librarian I will start exercising the right to choose only the books I want rather than consider our patrons. So out with those many religious books especially the one that starts with B. I feel that many of these books are immoral and have brought much bloodshed into the world.

What’s so bad about this? As a painting contractor, I refuse jobs because I don’t want to be associated with the project. I am sure others do similar thiings in their line of work, too. Why can’t doctors and nurses have the right to decline certain jobs? They aren’t discriminating against PEOPLE — or preaching morals.

I love how the bible thumpers stand up on their moral high ground and keep throwing around the term “Pro-Abortion”. First of all, some people in this world believe that men and women should be allowed to choose based on their indivual circumstances, thus the correct term is “Pro-Choice”. Secondly, No Doctor has ever, nor will they ever be forced to perform an abortion on a patient. What is being overlooked, however intentionally, is the scope of this law, which goes far beyond abortion. This opens the door for any number descriminations to take place, for which any number of excuses can be thought up. That is not the future we should be working towards.

What’s next, allowing doctors or ambulance attendants to refuse to treat jewish people, or blacks ? How about school teachers refusing to teach disabled kids ? Voting clerks refusing to allow women to vote ? Where does this stop ? When you sign up for a public service job, you agree to serve the public, all of them, not just those who happen to align with your personal beliefs.

Can I work in a bar & keep my job legally by refusing to serve alcohol to patrons because it ‘offends’ my moral values? Hey, if you feel that your health service job really offends you, get a job you can morally feel at peace with. Nobody ‘likes’ or ‘loves’ abortion anymore than they do divorce, yet divorces are granted every day. Abortions & divorces are like teeth-pulling, sometimes necessary & always accompanied by pain, but necessary. Should a woman carrying a brainless fetus be ‘forced’to go through the entire pregnany to watch the helpless infant die in agony for 2 entire days after its born? Sometimes someone will need an abortion. Dont be so quick to play Doctor Big Brother. Don’t like abortions, don’t have one. Don’t like divorce, don’t get one, (& you may want 1 someday.

As if he hadn’t already cemented his legacy as the undeniably worst president ever… 31 days till the world breathes a sigh of relief and the infectious vermin in the white house is finally eradicated.

Bush is an idiot and anybody who supports is a bigger idiot!!Lets eliminate birth control, abortion and sterilization, lets make as many kids as possible, because seriously, there aren’t enough unwanted and abused children in the world!! Is it better to go through life suffering and being unwanted and abused or never to be born?
The people who are against birth control and abortion are the first one to complain about people on welfare who keep popping out children!!

Long past due. Doctors take an oath to protect life yet the pro-choice group would require them to perform abortions
irregardless of their personal beliefs.
Same would hold true of hospitals/clinics that are religious sponsored orginazations with religious bias to taking life. They would be required to perform abortions or provide
services on contraception that conflicts with their religious doctrine
or to risk losing all state/federal moneys and therefore being put out of
business. I do not believe there is
any shortage of facilities or qualified mmedical personell that are willing and
able to provide those services without
forcing unwilling people or businesses
into violating their own personal convictions to do it. What has, in the past, made this country so great is the fact that we all can live together without conflict even though we do not all think or believe alike. Many men and woment have given their lives so that we may agree to disagree.

CHOICE – As far as I knew, no one is FORCED to go to ANY doctor. If they don’t like the care their doctor gives them they have all the rights in this country to find ANOTHER doctor who will give them what they want. I think JON B. says it perfectly.
This doesn’t say anything about race or religion. This will NOT discriminate against PEOPLE. This only discriminates against MEDICAL PROCEDURES. And it only applies based upon the preference of the individual provider. There’s a difference here. Sometimes discrimation is a GOOD thing – and this is one of those times.

All of these hateful comments against this are a direct result of our “I want it, it’s mine, and I want it now” society or I’m going to claim DISCRIMINATION! It’s OK for me to demand what I want and I don’t care who has to go against their principles or beliefs in order for me to get what I want. What a SELFISH country we live in!

Its amusing that those who push freedom of choice for some, can so eagerly try to deny it for others.

It would be great if Obama’s first rule or Presidental Finding or resolution or whatever you want to call it was “Every rule appointed by GWBush is now null and void”
What happens to the women who are being denied medical care, what if the location is rural and there are no other choices in doctors or pharmacies? The new rule could have at least said that the medical professional must attempt to get the patient a new doctor who will take care of them.

If pro-lifers would accept the reality that abortion is legal and (in some cases) necessary, we wouldn’t have to worry about this ridiculousness.

Mel, Not being complicit with a patient’s poor decision is not the same as making a moral decision for them. If I refuse to help you knock off a liquor store, am I making a moral choice for you? I frequently encourage my patients to quit smoking, especially parents so as not to expose their kids (or me!) to second hand smoke… I certainly wouldn’t buy cigarettes for them. Am I making a moral choice for them?

Thousands of already living children all over the world died last night due to easily curable disease and hunger, yet what have you done to help them- or do they not matter because they are already alive in another country – be it a horrible existence. Those who disagree with abortion need to remember He is the only one who is supposed to be the judge-not us. Honestly, do you believe if Jesus were alive now would he respond as many do? The fact is on some level there has to be a separation of church and state- which is tricky due to a majority of our laws being Bible-based. King Solomon threatened to cut a living baby in half in front of two arguing women- if he had he would have murdered new life outside the womb. Religious individuals: should this not bother you that Solomon- named the wisest ruler would have killed the baby- or is it irrelevant because he did not actually go through with slicing the child in half? Methods of birth control have existed since the early civilizations of Egypt- perhaps even before. The mainstream media and a majority of Americans believe in a right of choice. Pro- life supporters make up a small minority. The majority of Doctor’s nurses ect. will hand out birth control, sterilize and abort. That being said- if a health care provider wants to forgo money for ethical/moral convictions let them- it is a free country. If you live in a part of the country which is extremely conservative – move – you should not have to but relocating is an option.
One thing to remember- those who object to abortion(murder)it is your free choice- however; do not push your morals in others faces. If you want respect – respect others and vice versa. You do not have to accept but you should tolerate and I’m not just specifically meaning abortion. The reality is if abortion was overturned- women would be performing the abortions on themselves with coat hangers or going to Mexico. Also, your taxes would dramatically sky rocket due to payment of welfare and wic for struggling mothers. In some states your property taxes would increase because the schools would be over flowing and property taxes pay for public schools. As another poster stated: some pro-life supporters rail against abortion but complaints occur regarding welfare and white trash parents and children. Also, parents of the year do not abort- abortions occur for a reason.

This rule is not for abortions, rather it is for healthcare professionals who view any kind of birth control, steralization or abortion to be against their personal beliefs.

I really hope I do not run into a doctor or medical provider like VF. He/She may refuse to treat me because I take B/C when all I have is a broken arm. Or will it be because I am a black woman and I offend his or her “morals?” Please, anyone who says that this will not be a rule that allows doctors to discriminate for any reason is delusional! They are already discriminating against a group of people…people who have a choice. VF…there are a lot of “parents” who wish their child had never been born. Those are the ones who abuse, neglect and ultimately kill their children. Figure out how to solve those issues before you go telling someone else how to feel.

Perhaps I have missed a comment on this already but what about when abortion was illegal–but the wealthy could get them, the poor couldn’t….is this really what we want to return to.

GW: “Sometimes discrimation is a GOOD thing – and this is one of those times.”
Wow…if that isn’t the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.

VF – Casey Anthony wished her child hadn’t been born. Susan Smith wished her children hadn’t been born. Andrea Yates….etc. etc.

1. “I want my rights so you can’t have yours” is getting old. Both sides.
2. Doctors can and DO refuse to treat people, for a variety of reasons. It happens all the time. “I don’t take your insurance, or you’re too sick, or you question me too much…” Go to another one. It’s that simple.
3. Doctors and nurses, and pharmacists, who take jobs in specific areas of a business (if it has a business office, it’s a business) that performs procedures, or provides services that they find repulsive are fools or worse. If you’re anti-abortion and you find yourself in a workplace where you’re told you have to help perform abortions because that’s what you were hired to do, you didn’t read the job description. If you’re there to “change things from the inside” and show people the Light, you’re on a fool’s errand. Refuse to do your job, be gone. The reality is, a way will be found to get rid of you. That’s the way it works.
4. The smallest town has two pharmacies, or you can get mail order.
5. I’ve adopted an “unwanted” child. Have you? If not, you’re not “part of the solution” in reducing abortion rates and helping save the born, and so shouldn’t be trying to force what you consider right on others. I’m glad my child’s birth mother chose not to abort, and as a HC worker I WOULD NOT assist in an abortion, but I don’t presume to take that right away from anyone else.

While the focus of this ruling appears to be a woman’s choice of abortion vs. a medical provider’s alleged moral/religious beliefs, much more is at stake than abortion rights. At stake is that a medical provider, including pharmacists, may refuse to fill legitimate prescriptions for recognized safe methods of birth control, including the “morning after” pill on their personal alleged moral/religious beliefs. This is unconscionable! Contrary to popular belief among the anti-choice proponents, I don’t believe any woman seeks an abortion on a whim. Meanwhile, every child deserves to be a wanted child and to seek to exert government control over the availability of recognized safe methods
of prescription birth control to women is reprehensible and unconstitutional.
Also, what most people don’t realize, is that from the time G.W. Bush first sat behind the desk in the Oval Office, hhis administration mandated that the only sex education permitted to be taught in school receiving federal funds is abstinence only. As a result, the U.S. has the highest rate of teen pregnancies in the industrialized world and one of the highest rates of STDs in the industrialized world!

So, health care providers that have moral objections to blood transfusions can not only deny them, but refuse to even mention the possibility, to trauma patients, surgical patients, or anyone else who might benefit from blood products?
Great! We need more rules like this!!

Again, the reality is that a health care provider whose beliefs don’t allow blood transfusions FOR OTHERS (it’s fine to adhere to that for yourself and yours) probably wouldn’t be working in a trauma or surgical setting. If they were that dumb (or that set on Witnessing, whatever), co-workers would likely nail them in a heartbeat. You cause a death through something like that, everyone goes down. Lawsuit city, and no law or regulation is going to protect someone in that situation, not to letting you DENY (refuse to allow anyone else to provide) someone health care based on your religious beliefs. No health care worker works alone in those settings.
They step aside if they can’t do a specific task, and others pick up.

just go to one of the many dr.s who will provide the service. it’s extremely selfish to force someone to do something that goes against their beliefs when there are so many others who will do it with no objections!

I don’t think this article is written accurately. It’s not refusing to provide services that “offend” or are “repugnant” to health care providers, but services that go against their conscience or religious beliefs.
I’m really disappointed at the language of this article and how poorly it is written. It shouts BIAS like no other.

in Catholic ruled countries women are dying from ectopic pregnancies as medical professionals are so fearful of being jailed.
over 150,000 children find themselves in foster care and up for adoption in the US. I see very few “qualified” Christians adopting, but feel free to preach against abortion.They spend tons on fertility treatments on themselves, maybe God doesn’t feel you deserve a baby.
B/C is used as a way to treat endometreosis and hormonal imbalances. like girls who start puberty too early for one…
Doctors take an oath, not really a moral oath, all life is sacred unless you are a woman whose life is at risk during pregnancy.
i know of a 2 year period where 3 women died just after giving birth or in a few months after, this was in northern NH. Some women like those with AIDS or out of whim of the mystery of pregnancy may develop a clotting problem and become very anemic or die, bleeding to death.
again there was statistic that came out this year…
1.2 million abortions
1.5 million miscarriages…shall we now go after miscarriages as murder as our bodies obviously could not carry that life to term???

“Bush is undermining a basic principle of being a careprovider: providing care WITHOUT JUDGMENT. Those of us trained in these arts know that a decent care provider does not choose his or her patients. We must provide compassionate compare to all!”
That’s just it though LoveBug. Is it compassionate care.Some are being forced to provide what they believe is not compassionate.

VF – A license to practice medicine does not turn a banker into a doctor. You are no doctor. Please do humanity a favor and find another line of work. Did you know that there are exciting possibilities processing medical insurance claims? Hell, you could probably do just as much harm denying necessary medical treatment as you appear to be doing in your current “occupation”. You swore the Hippocratic Oath. If you are unable or unwilling to perform your duties as specified therein, you are not a doctor. You don’t even get to play one on TV. Go play golf somewhere and leave medicine to the professionals.

hey the anti abortion docs are all right wing nut jobs anyway…according to most of these posts you liberals DISPISE and LOATH THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE…SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL. they will stay away from all your abortion mills … you can abort all you want with your LIBERAL doctors and have a nut!!!

What amuses me about all you “religious” people who oppose abortion rights is you are also the first to promote the death penalty and war with other nations. Perhaps you should consider being less hypocritical. Or maybe more honest. Just say what you are all really thinking… “Women just can’t make decisions for their own bodies and need to be kept subjugated to their male masters”. At least I could respect you all.

“Women just can’t make decisions for their own bodies and need to be kept subjugated to their male masters”. At least I could respect you all. NEVER MENTIONING THEIR IS ANOTHER PERSON INVOLVED,,,,HUM… maybe a baby…do ya think….. ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT YOURSELF,,,ME ME ME

Wow, one policy I finally agree with….as a worker in the health field, I am finally given legal protection to serve genuinely. Up until now, abortion counseling, or other issues that I find morally wrong, I have had to offer for fear of prosecution. I know….this will probably offend some, but don’t lecture about women’s right to choose, because as a fellow women, I wouldn’t sentence another women to often a lifetime of regret or worse…..much of what I have seen in my 25 year career.

taxed too: your imagined impression you mean.
There are christian groups who like to fear monger women into believing they will have mental problems by having an abortion. i say shame on anyone who pushes that on any woman. what she does is between her and her doctor and God is her judge NOT you. They even made up a statistic not taking in account (or ignoring on purpose) that a large margin of their study group already had mental illness and drug problems before choosing to have an abortion.
people act like this is such an easy choice to make.. shame on you.
adopt children and zip it.

Why is it that abortion rights groups and “gays” aren’t happy unless their complaining about something! They’re like a bunch of old nags! Enough already!!!

As a registered nurse, I am glad that Pres. Bush has issued this. I wanted to go into Labor and Delivery as a graduate nurse and because I did not want to assist with abortions, I was not allowed to work in L&D. The hippocratic oath that physicians take says “First do no harm”. That means to the momo or her fetus which in latin means “little person”. I am sure that the Jews in Hitler’s death camps that were FORCED to undergo sterilization, and medical procedures wished that the medical professionals that did those procedures to them, had stood up and said “No I will not do this.” This topic is so emotional, but if you think it through logically, how is destroying life good for a society?

NEVER MENTIONING THEIR IS ANOTHER PERSON INVOLVED,,,,HUM… maybe a baby…do ya think….. ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT YOURSELF,,,ME ME ME
Actually Tim, an abortion would not be a choice I would personally make. I just simply think our government should stay out of our personal lives. This is a deeply personal choice and no offense, but one a man should not be making for us.
Also, you should have used the spelling “there” instead of “their”. Please endeavor to be more accurate.

I can’t wait for that idiot Bush to get out of the White House. Of course the lowlife took away more women’s rights! This isn’t about abortion – it’s about women’s rights. He sure hates women. Good ridance to him.

“And the morals that they worship will be gone.” Abortion seems like a personal issue. I can understand both sides. If a doctor doesn’t want to perform an abortion, he shouldn’t, nor should he be forced to. No big deal. Find another doctor. Same with Planned Parenthood – surely they don’t hire people against abortion? Do they? Sounds like much ado about nothing.

To VF,
Encourageing your patients to stop smoking is fine. To refuse to treat them because they are smokers, and you don’t like smokers, is not!