Obama Taps Shinseki for Veterans Affairs
ABC News has learned that President-elect Obama will nominate Gen. Eric Shinseki (Ret.) to be Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
Shinseki, 66, served as Chief of Staff for the Army from 1999 until 2003, and is perhaps best known for testifying before the Senate before the war in Iraq that "several hundred thousand soldiers" would be needed to wage the war successfully.
His then boss, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, contradicted him publicly, calling Shinseki’s estimate "far off the mark," and insisting that a much smaller force would suffice. Military analysis in retrospect have said that Shinseki was correct, arguing that the subsequent "surge" in troops seems to have proven the Rumsfeld nemesis was right.
Shinseki, a Japanese-American born in Mr. Obama’s home state of Hawaii, is the first Asian-American to be tapped to serve in Mr. Obama’s Cabinet. He was the first Asian-American to have achieved the rank of four stars. He served two combat tours in Vietnam and was wounded.
"A pretty darn good pick," a senior Obama adviser told ABC News. "The guy who thought we weren’t sending enough troops will now help care for those who went. And it sure doesn’t hurt to have a 38-year Army veteran and former Army chief of staff in the room on national security issues."
With Marine Gen. Jim Jones (Ret.) having been tapped as National Security Adviser, this the second general Mr. Obama has brought onto his team who had major clashes with Rumsfeld.
Before his retirement, Jones was reportedly so disgusted with how politicized Rumsfeld had made the Pentagon, in his view, he declined to even meet with him to interview for the job of Joint Chiefs Chairman.
Mr. Obama’s announcement is scheduled for Sunday, the anniversary of the 1941 invasion at Pearl Harbor.
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The Pearl Harbor incident would more correctly be labeled an attack. I could be wrong, but no Japanese soldiers “invaded” Pearl Harbor.
Posted by: George | December 6, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Depsite all it’s lies to the contrary, the Bush administration has been very hostile to the military.
General Shinseki told the truth before the Iraq invasion, and in doing so infuriated the Bush administration. So they got rid of him.
Obama’s naming him to the VA post will be good for America’s veterans. And it will send a message that President (elect) Obama will listen to his Generals, unlike Bush who simply replaced the ones who spoke up.
Now Obama should find posts for other Generals, like Genereal Taguba, another fine man who was cast out by the Bush people for being honest about the prisoner abuse that was taking place.
Posted by: Patrick | December 6, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Good Move…
Posted by: chuckles | December 6, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Wow!! This is a 2/4, another Cabinet member who will speak truth to power. Now, can we get a litlle more truthful with one another and — begin taking responsibility for what we say and do? Wall Street! Are you listening? Of course not.
Posted by: ron nicholson | December 6, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Good choice.
Posted by: Huh | December 6, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Someone has got to sue that character
Rumsfeld. He was one of the main
reasons for the Republican Downfall.
If most of the charges can’t stick then
stupidity would go a long way.
Posted by: spacerook1 | December 6, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
great great choice .
Posted by: sam | December 6, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Bush fired this man because he DARED to tell the clowns running the “war planning” (quotes purposeful) that the war would take far longer and cost much more than the silly “we’ll run in and be out in 3 months” propaganda. Come on Bush flunkies. You SHREDDED this man 5 years ago. Are you men enough to admit YOU (and not he) were wrong? Probably not.
Posted by: Patriotic American | December 6, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Hail to the Chief.
Posted by: Yankee | December 6, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Donald Rumsfeld owes every American under 50 years of age a check. It’s we who will have to pay for the utterly disastrous decisions he made in ginning up this war, a bill that continues to grow by $10 billion a month. It’s utterly outrageous. And the Republican Party wonders why it’s lost an entire generation…
Posted by: Average Joe | December 6, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Isn’t this guy who wanted our troops to “look” tougher so he gave the traditional Ranger black beret to everyone?
If you think the troops were stretched thin at 150,00, how would they have been at 500,000 and where would they have come from?
Of course Obama supporters now say “Wow, good choice.”.
Posted by: Nobel | December 6, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Well when the WAR-Wars started I had faith in Rumsfeld, it was not long after that I felt he was in another power struggle with another administration. This man should have never been appointed to a job he had that he failed at before. Whose fault, history will tell. As to a comment, earlier in this string, He should need to be held accountable. Where the hell has he been anyway, why the media has not focused on him in the last couple of years is well. Go figure
Posted by: James | December 6, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
George,
They invaded US airspace to attack us ground forces, its still an invasion. It is only an attack if two forces are on or in non-country territory. Sorry.
Posted by: gradwrkout | December 6, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
Now here is real change for you. Many veterans were disabled, unable to get proper treatment in facilities in which the paint was pealing off the rooms, denied benefits, and lost their jobs while serving — which is against the law.
I think that Obama is a patsy sent into office in hopes of keeping minorities from revoltion due to there being no money to fund entitlements.
Posted by: olin tucker | December 6, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
Anyone who opposes BUSH must be someone of integrity!!!
BUSH is a corrupt criminal and a traitor to our nation.
Even in his final days he is selling off public land to the oil companies. He has no conscience!
Posted by: happy543210@cox.net | December 6, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Common sense dictates that certain battles are not worth fighting over.
People who go out of their way to pick a fight and choose to denigrate this nomination show that they’re not very astute politically.
Privately, I’m hoping that a few Republican Senators are dumb enough to make a big stink over this nomination so as to rehash all the old issues to embarrass themselves by.
Posted by: Neal | December 6, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
War is the military’s area not politicians. Hopefully Obama will listen to this guy. We should have learned politicans can’t run wars after Korea and Vietnam. But looking back there was no way we could have put 500,000 troops on the ground at the beginning of the war. After the Clinton years we weren’t equipped to handle that many troops. and if Barney Frank has his way he’ll cut 25% out of the military budget. Hopefully Obama will lead and not rubber stamp Congress;s bills.
Posted by: jschmidt | December 6, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
Rumsfeld???
wasn’t he and Bush senior the ones that
installed Saddam Hussien as dictator???
Posted by: Saskame | December 6, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
Thoughtful leaders make thoughtful
choices and thoughtless leaders
make thoughtless choices. Mr. Obama
has had US, the people, in mind each
and every time he has choosen a policy,
person or agenda. Imagine if Mr. Bush
had put us first instead of his own
personal demons and prejudices.
Posted by: larry hernandez | December 6, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Good choice.
Only another soldier would understand the veterans’ best- especially how we have had some self-serving politicians previously who messed up the VA/ didn’t bother to give it enough funding.
That area has been over-stretched for such a long time, espeically becaus eof Bush and Rumsfeld’s idiocy in invading the wrong country.
Those finding a problem with the nomination, really. This new cabinet sounds so much more diverse and made up of qualified people, not Yes-men like previously.
Yes, I’m pretty impatient for 1/20/09, you can see, where the nightmare will be over.
Posted by: Grey Matter | December 6, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH-the worst president in US History.
Posted by: Timmy | December 6, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
God Bless Our President Obama! A Man Of Decency and Common Sense! We Must Pray For Mr. Bush Because If We Don’t Who Will ???????
Posted by: TRUTH | December 6, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
I like it. Here’s a guy that didn’t cower before the high and mighty bush administration, but told ‘em what they didn’t want to hear. Take that, bush!
Posted by: John Locke | December 6, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Timmy,
Guess what the worst President is up to now.
He has just overturned a ban- and now allows people to carry concealed and loaded FIREARMS into National Parks and wildlife refuges for the first time in 25 years.
This ban was enacted during Reagan’s time. This is not just about people shooting protected species- it’s about the safety of the Park rangers- cases of assault on them have been rising-they have 12 times as much a chance of being killed and assaulted more then FBI agents.
We need to stop this man from trashing the wilderness for fun before he leaves.
Posted by: Grey Matter | December 6, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
I still wonder if bush and members of his administration weren’t actually undercover agents for Russia.
Posted by: John Locke | December 6, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
Nobel said “Of course Obama supporters now say “Wow, good choice.”" And we all expect those who did not support him to complain no matter what. Personally, I choose to wish Obama well and I hope he makes good choices in everything he does. How could any American wish otherwise?
Posted by: SamTyler1973 | December 6, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
John Locke | Dec 6, 2008 8:31:04 PM
__________________________________
To me Bush was the Manchurian candidate who actually got “in”
Posted by: garcia | December 6, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
Poetic justice, really.
Shinseki was fired by Bush and Co. because he insisted that they needed more troops when they started the invasion to cope with a long term operation over such a large territory. Guess what, he was right- (The Surge!)
Haha, who’s off the mark now, Rumsfeld, Bush? I think this is also a not-so-subtle intended slap in the face to Bush from Obama- as well as adding diversity and competency to the cabinet.
Posted by: Grey Matter | December 6, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
I love you. Obama!!!!! What a great pick! I think Gen. Shinseki is a good man, also, and paid the price back in ’03, along with the rest of the world.”
“The search for the truth is conducted with a wink and a nod. Where power and position are equated with the grace of God.” — Jackson Browne
Posted by: w_roos | December 6, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Bush is an idiot that only a Republican could love.
The nightmare is almost over.
Posted by: Thinking | December 6, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
Shinseki is a wonderful choice. He has intelligence and moral courage. A great complement to Obama’s style.
Posted by: Jim | December 6, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
President elect Obama, made the right choice. President Elect Obama know’s that, Gen. Eric Shinseki can do a great job.
Posted by: Rosa - Philadelphia, PA | December 6, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
Great choice.
I love it.
Obama really stuck it to Bush and Uncle Rommy this time around.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | December 6, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
What is Obama team’s strategy or intention for employing retired officials for numerous posts and 2 of them had major clashes with Rumsfeld?
Posted by: Ashley | December 6, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
OBie didn’t have to look far to find a clown to dance to his tune.
Posted by: Neo Politicus | December 6, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
More clueless revisionist history from sick Liberal hypocrites.
Posted by: Neo Politicus | December 6, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
Obama will achieve 3 things in his selction of Gen. sShinseki VA chief. He will add to the diversity of his cabinet, he will provide an opportunity for this former Bush admin. person to redeem himself from the false accusations by the Bush administration and he will have an able person to get the difficult job of handling Veterans issues.
Posted by: gjkotw01 | December 6, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
Beware the 12 division strategy with the 10 division army. These words were spoken by Gen Shenseki in his outgoing speech. The “tougher” comment made earlier is a bit misleading. He wanted the whole army to personify the same strength and professionalism that the Rangers were usually attributed with. Rumsfield hated that ANYONE could dare to challenge his expertise in terms of the military. I’d rather see Rumsfield air dropped into Iraq without arms or armor and told that you go with the Army you have not the one you want. Maybe we’ll be lucky and Bush’s administration will be found to be the criminals they are.
Posted by: ray | December 6, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
Neo, hardly the “sick liberal”, I served under Bush. I hope he burns for his transgressions against us soldiers who fought HIS wars.
Posted by: ray | December 6, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
I consider Shinseki a good and sensible choice. Shinseki clearly is a man of principle, as opposed to many career officers who’s main skill seems to consist of kissing up.
Sorry, but being fired for having a clash with former defense secretary Rumsfeld (and later being proved right) is a solid plus in my book.
I’m afraid that Rumsfeld will go into history as the defense secretary who badgered the Pentagon into a war with too few troops to conduct an occupation, and who totally blew the political assessment (supposedly his area of expertise as a politician) of the occupied territory. Something which we are still paying for … in blood, money, and credibility.
Secretary Rumsfeld was a good quantitative consultant (Rand corporation) who applied his quantitative methods to the military with a fair amount of success. Unfortunately he was also the architect of a bout of quite irresponsible politization of the Pentagon, a subversive attempt to give the Pentagon its own clandestine operations department under the guise of “intelligence gathering”, a management style that was stupidly intolerant of criticism, and last but not least a disastrously wrong political assessment on Iraq.
He was an excellent example of someone who tried to show off expertise he did not in fact possess.
Posted by: Golodh | December 6, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
SamTyler1973
this is the best commet I have even read on this blog thank you.
I think it is time to put our differnces aside do the best we can to solve the problems of our generation.
Posted by: ETHAMR | December 6, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Good Job, Obama!
Stick to Bush and his idiots…..if GWB had just listened to this guy, we all would have been better off today……
Posted by: opedanderson | December 6, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
great choice president elect
Posted by: Lincoln | December 6, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Concerned in Ohio – You must be having a hard time twisting the facts to accomodate your position. The fact is you could always bring a weapon to “protect yourself” from bear attacks. The thing that’s changed is the fact that concealed weapons are now allowed. In other words, now if a bear sneaks behind you he won’t know if you have a weapon or not. (Snark).
In regards to General Shinseki, I think he is to be held of the highest caliber. I could have placed him in another position in the administration, but he is a truth teller who will have no qualms about telling the President where to go in regards to Veterans. I think it’s a fantastic pick.
Posted by: Chris | December 6, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Duh! In 1993, my 7 year old concluded the same thing (need several hundred thousand troops) when I read William T. Sherman’s memiors. Sherman said he needed a 100,000 men to hold Kentucky during the Civil WAr and the press thought him insane. Lincoln called for an additional 300,000 more troops. See song “We are coming father Abram, 300,000 more…”
Posted by: Colonel Reb | December 6, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
The organization of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America released this statement praising the choice of Shinseki:
“IAVA applauds President-elect Obama and the transition team for making this historic selection. General Shinseki has a record of courage and honesty, and is a bold choice to lead the VA into the future. The President-elect has demonstrated an understanding of the urgency of the issues facing America’s veterans by making this announcement early. General Shinseki is widely-respected, honest and experienced. He is a man that has always put patriotism ahead of politics, and is held in high regard by veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan. IAVA looks forward to supporting him to implement the historic change that is needed at the VA.
As a wounded, decorated, combat veteran, and the first Asian American in US History to be a four-star general, General Shinseki, has the potential to be an effective and dedicated advocate for veterans of all generations.
Posted by: Steve | December 6, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Shinsiki is a solid choice. As others have noted on this board, he told the truth when it was unpopular to do so and traded his career for that truth. Rumsfeld alog with his neo con co-conspiraters have been proven an utter disgrace.
The VA needs someone who can identify problems and make honest assessments based on fact, not political expediancy as the sycophants in the failed Bush presidency did.
Posted by: molacai | December 6, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
If you had any doubts about how gifted a politician Obama is, they should be settled about now.
What a brilliant thumb-in-the-eye to Bush and the creeps that dreamed up the Iraq disaster.
Posted by: R Mutt | December 6, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
I think Jones and Shinseki were chosen for reasons other than clashing with Rumsfield. Though it can read like a major qualification!
Posted by: kat | December 6, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
“Bush is an idiot that only a Republican could love.
The nightmare is almost over.”
———-
I don’t think many Republicans love the man. The hurricane was a convenient excuse to keep him away from the GOP convention. Unprecedented for a sitting President not to appear at his own party’s convention.
Posted by: NJ Citizen | December 6, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
Obama is doing the right thing, appointing 1st Asian American cabinet position. He has one or more to appoint. Bush has two Asian American cabinet positions. Obama should do no less than Bush, if not the Asian Pacific American community across the nation will be disappointed and would not revote him after his 1st term.
We are still invisible group in this country, however, we are growing in numbers and visible as American.
Posted by: EL | December 6, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
As Asian American, I am proud we have been chosen one cabinet position. There should be more to be appointed if we look across the table for equality. We are not equally represented in many aspect of this country’s position.
We have stepped up by participating voting, doing volunteer job, creating technological & financial engine for this country. We create jobs by establishing businesses. Excel in education, research, medicine, trade. We desire a piece of pie like everybody else. Good job Obama, but don’t forget, this isn’t the end yet.
Posted by: AAA | December 6, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
I have no doubt that Gen(R) Shinseki will do a bang-up job as Veterans Affairs Secretary.
But General Shinseki, while seemingly prescient on the amount of troops required for Iraq, was also on the wrong side of many critical decisions that affected the readiness and capability of the army as well.
The typical narrative normally fails to examine his record beyond the one day of testimony before Congress in February 2003; he was Chief of Staff of the Army for four years, after all. . .
Posted by: Bob W. | December 6, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
Mr. Obama’s choice is fresh, but so was Mr. Bush when he chose Mr. Rumsfeld.
Posted by: young_voter | December 7, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am
I just hope President Obama would have open cabinet meetings where the spirit of “agree to disagree” is displayed without reservation and political consequence. Setting up a website where ordinary citizens are poll to voice our opinions. Mkae no mistake,we voted him to be the Chief Decision Maker of this land. Let the new spirit begin 1/20/2008.
Posted by: Swiftlearner | December 7, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am
To YoungVoter..
Mr. Rumsfeld was anything but “fresh” he had been in Bush’s Senior administration. Bush Jr. was just following in dads footsteps, anything but “fresh”
Posted by: Ruben | December 7, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am
Why not make him secretary of defense?
Making him a VA secretary doesn’t seem to make a full use of his warfare expertise.
Posted by: chris | December 7, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
young_voter,
It is interesting that you were so politically aware and intuitive 8 years ago that you seem to have captured and remembered the freshness of Bush’s choices when he first made them. And you still consider yourself young. Impressive, really, because I don’t remember anything political from Bush’s early days as I was in my early teens and yet I consider myself old today. I admire your exuberance about your youth though.
Posted by: Question | December 7, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
Chris,
He cannot be made Secretary of Defense till after 10 years he has left the Army, it’s a rule. Obama might be laying the ground for Shinseki to get a higher position once the ten-year term expires.
Posted by: Grey Matter | December 7, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am
young_voter,
Look here, Shinseki was an Army general, who fought in Vietnam and is a wounded veteran himself (stepped on a landmine). If anyone would truly care about veterans or understands them, it’s a fellow veteran, not a someone like Rumsfeld who never saw a real war and was so trigger happy about Iraq, the “cakewalk”, who derided this same general who had insisted they needed more troops from the very beginning.
Poetic justice. Rumsfeld got Shinseki removed because he didn’t conform with him. Now the new President thinks Shinseki is someone’s opinion worth listening too.
Posted by: Grey Matter | December 7, 2008, 2:23 am 2:23 am
Actions speak more louder than words.
Pick after pick the Pres. elect is making is so appreciated.
How nice it will be to combine your very exceptional voice plus actions!
You are very gifted Pres. elect, we thank god that we elected you.
Posted by: FM | December 7, 2008, 4:19 am 4:19 am
Hey Bob W., I read your same exact post on Politico.
“I have no doubt that Gen(R) Shinseki will do a bang-up job as Veterans Affairs Secretary.
But General Shinseki, while seemingly prescient on the amount of troops required for Iraq, was also on the wrong side of many critical decisions that affected the readiness and capability of the army as well.
The typical narrative normally fails to examine his record beyond the one day of testimony before Congress in February 2003; he was Chief of Staff of the Army for four years, after all. . .”
The complaint reminds me a lot of McCain’s infamous lines against Obama. “Do we really know him?” Such vague accusations are enough to sway the unintelligent and uninformed, and it’s important for bloggers to call such lines out when they see them. You are correct in saying that nobody’s perfect. We should note that on every human being out there…on every article. Haha.
Posted by: Bob W sucks | December 7, 2008, 4:22 am 4:22 am
I absolutely love this pick, it’s a brilliant thumb in the eye against the Bush Administration and Donald Rumsfield.
Not to mention the Republicans can hardly criticize a general who was right about Iraq since Day one. LOVE IT!
Posted by: Mike C | December 7, 2008, 6:44 am 6:44 am
Despite his legacy of silly hats made in China I like the choice for head of Veterans affairs.
Posted by: smith | December 7, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Sweet revenge on the bush-cheny-rumsfeld deadly nexus who removed the only voice of reason and sanity in their incompetent administration.
Always wondered why Shinseki kept silent all this time while Mccain trumpeted the surge of troops as his idea. Shinseki got it right before anybody else.
Having said that, its a little surprising Colin Powell is nowhere on the scene considering his talent and insight into foreigh policy as well as diplomatic skills.
Posted by: Tom | December 7, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
good choice…good guy…just to clear something up, he wasnt forced out. he retired because his term ended four months after the testimony.
Posted by: Harper | December 7, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
FM: Are you in a stable mind? Obama looks like he’s continuing the same fiscal polices that got us here. I hope your children don’t mind being slaves. When the printing press, that’s smoking, breaks, there will be two classes. The trillioniars and the chained. Bernake said he will devalue the dollar, Obama’s new Treasury secretary is his minion. I’m guessing you can’t read so your children probably won’t have that far to fall towards the bottom. You’re in for a big shock soon. It started a long time ago and includes republicans and democrat’s.
Posted by: kennedy | December 7, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Why are people still stuck on ‘sticking it to Bush’ or ‘Obama is selling out the people who voted for him’?
The difficulty with current politics is the hate and sense of everything being zero-sum. There MUST be a loser, there MUST be a winner. How about we all work together?
You’ve got examples of that already with Bush appointees staying on for the next administration, McCain vowing to help the President-elect. You’ve got Obama putting competent moderates in place for economic policy.
…of course, it could also be just a couple people posting under multiple names. I just don’t get the hate spewed from right or left.
Posted by: Jim | December 7, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
It seems that Obama is appointing everyone, except Gen. Wesley Clark, a Democrat who staunchly supported him during the general election. I wish someone in the media would have the integrity to address this blatant disrespect and dismissal of the most knowledgeable and qualified Democrat in the party. Is it because he is afraid of offending the Jews? Does he just not like Clark? He certainly liked him enough to have him going all over the country campaigning for him.
Posted by: KMB | December 7, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
‘invade’ is synonymous with ‘attack.’
Posted by: Eric | December 7, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
Wesley Clark has always been my favorite politician and war hero. I hope he also gets to contribute to Obamas administration. If Caroline doesn’t take the senator seat he would be great as he is also Hillaries friend. Caroline could always take over for Ted when he decides to retire. Wesley Clark is by far an amazing man. He could be president some day and win by landslide.
Posted by: zorra | December 7, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
This points out the critical difference in outgoing and incoming administrations – Bush-Rumsfield never tolerated different viewpoints.
If I was conservative, and I am, Bush’s policies work against conservative values – implemented with such clumsy knot-headed blindness that the ideals are proven lunacy.
Another example – We wanted a free market, but if we give lobbyists ultimate power, we’re forced to nationalize more than ever before.
Posted by: PeteS | December 7, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Remember when Wesley Clark tried to start WWIII in Kosovo? I do. He is quick to anger and not Obama material.
>>>Ordered attack on Russian troops in Kosovo<<<
On June 12, 1999, in the immediate aftermath of NATO's air war against Yugoslavia, a small contingent of Russian troops dashed to occupy the Pristina airfield in Kosovo. Clark was so anxious to stop the Russians that he ordered an airborne assault to confront these units-an order which could have unleashed the most frightening showdown with Moscow since the end of the Cold War. Hyperbole? You can decide. But British General Michael Jackson, the commander of the NATO international force K-FOR, told Clark: "Sir, I'm not starting WWIII for you," when refusing to accept his order to prevent Russian forces from taking over the airport.
After being rebuffed by Jackson, Clark, according to various media reports at the time, then ordered the American Admiral James Ellis to use Apache helicopters to occupy the airfield. Ellis didn't comply either. Had Clark's orders been followed, the subsequent NATO-negotiated compromise with the Russians might well have been undermined.
Source: The Nation, Opionion, "Wesley Clark's 'High Noon' Moment" Sep 17, 2003
Posted by: Ol Time Design Checker | December 7, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Jim, it may be less disrespectful than you think. After all, that gen. Wesley Clark may have made it privately clear that he doesn’t want either of these jobs, or that the president elect is thinking of him for another post.
Posted by: miumiu48 | December 7, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
Can Obama get any better. This man is a true leader. Class act. Gob bless Mr. President.
Posted by: zorra | December 7, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Good call Obama! Bonzai!
Posted by: CusterwasSiouxed | December 7, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
As much as I like Colin Powell I don’t think Obama will offer him a position. Remember that it was Powell who introduced the Bogus information about Iraq having weapons of mass distruction. Giving him a position would undo all that Obama is trying to do. Just because he supported Obama doesn’t mean Obama owes anyone a thing. He won out if his own merritt and was way ahead before Powell came along. People support out of their own belief, not because they want pay back. Hope Obama doesn’t include him only because of the backlash it may cause. I saw Powell a few years ago and he is happy driving his corvette and misses the private plane. just not the kind of comments i expected from him. Nothing about the war, just the luxury he missed, etc. Love him, just think he is past his prime for public political office. This is not about who we like, it’s about who has been there for the public and who hasn’t. We all have to take responsibility for our past actions and unfortunatly Mr. Powell didn’t confirm his findings on Iraq before allowing Bush to go to war. I don’t expect to like every decision Obama makes as he is the leader and has the right to nomimate whom ever he choses, but Powell would be first dissapointment in what so far has been a flawless gathering of people.
Posted by: zorra | December 7, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Ol Time Design Checker: That story is a bunch of bunk. The statement, “I’m not going to start WWIII for you, was simply hyperbole. It amazes me how we cherry-pick innocuous statements when we want to defend a act that we know is unfair and indefensible, such as Obama’s obvious disrespect and dismissal of the most qualified and gifted Democrat is the party. He has been sorely mistreated by Obama and his cohorts, and the only reasons I can think of are that Obama and his people do not like Clark. If so, it saids a lot about Obama’s character, or lack thereof, for him to allow Clark to campaign all over the country for him. This shows that he does not mind using people to get what he wants. The only other reason I can think of is that, as a part of the deal that he made with the Jews (Israel Lobby, DLC, etc.) he is ONLY allowed to choose those individuals that they approve of. And since they do not like Gen. Clark, Obama will not appoint him for fear of offending them. One thing I CAN say for certain: I am probably the ONLY African American who cannot stand Barack Obama, because he is a phony and a hypocrite.
Posted by: KMB | December 7, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
As the vociferous Progressive Ed Schultz pointed out during the primaries, since 2004, there were 23 pieces of legislation presented before Congress and the Bush Administration benefiting our Veterans. McCain voted against or didn’t even bother to show up to vote on 17 out of the 23 bills or amendments, six of which were authored by Veterans Affairs committee member and soon to be President, Barack Obama. The few that did make it to the President were vetoed with the exception of the revised GI bill. Now with the appointment of Gen. Shinseki and the obvious support of our soon to be President, our Veterans may finally get the attention they so deserve.
Posted by: devilkev | December 7, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
After reading some of the comments here it may be best to leave Wesley Clark aside for now as a safety net. I belive Obama will be the best president this country has ever seen and believe he will be around for a full two terms, but since there are some who still doubt him, having Clark on the sidelines would be needed to counter any republican for presidency in near future without appearing to betray anyone. It’s as if this was all to happen as is. Obama is leading beautifully, but just in case there’s any changes Clark would fill the gap. Always best to have plan A and plan B.As they say, hope for the best but prepare for the worse, and we will be double fine. Clark is a decent human being and can’t think of anyone else, other than Obama who would make for a great president.
Posted by: zorra | December 7, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
It’s funny that the only people who hold Wesley Clark in high esteem are people who didn’t serve alongside him for the 30 years or so he was on active duty. Democrats, civilians, etc. If you ask 99% of the people that actually knew him and had exposure to him, they will unhesitatingly tell you that he is one of the country’s all-time true A-holes, self-promoters, and worthless military officers to ever have served. There is hardly any of his former peers that think he is anything other than a partisan, self-aggrandizing, opportunist.
Posted by: Jon | December 7, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
I guess my bigotry is showing.
Posted by: CusterwasSiouxed | December 7, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Jon: That is a ball-faced lie! I have read hundreds of posts from those who served under Gen. Wesley Clark, and they say things like: “I would follow Gen. Clark into hell.” “He is the greatest”, etc. The ONLY people who do not like Clark are the Jews, whom he called out, when he exposed the fact that they were donated thousands of dollars to the Democrats in Congress a couple of years ago to get them to agree to allow Israel to attack Iran. Since then, they have hated him. The ONLY members of the military that have problems with him are those who are jealous of the fact that he is too cerebral for them, i.e., while many of them had only high school diplomas or four year degrees, Clark, a Rhodes Scholar with a double Master’s, having been first in his class at West Point, made it impossible for them to emulate him. And as I always say: The harder a man is to be like, the harder it will be to like him. I even suspect that Obama may be a little intimidated by him. At any rate, he has been a real Jerk where Clark is concerned, and I will NEVER forgive him for it. It is just wrong to treat such a fine man who would be such a great asset to his administration in such a disrespectful and horrible way. I am so glad that I decided to stay home on election day, even though I donated hundreds of dollars of my hard earned money to Obama’s campaign and even stood in the August sun for three hours registering voters for him. After the way he treated Clark after the “set-up” on CBS and during his convention, I lost all respect for Obama. He showed me that he is nothing more than a filthy opportunist, who will use people and then throw them away, if it suits his own selfish purposes.
Posted by: KMB | December 7, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
Ol Time Design Checker: I guess Obama would rather have liars (Hillary), unethical lawyers (Holder), and war-mongers (Gen. Jones, Gen.Shinseki) in his administration, instead. And you need to go pray and ask God to forgive your lies!
Posted by: KMB | December 7, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
how does Shinseki being right about the number of troops make him a warmonger? Frankly, everything else you described could be used to describe anyone in politics.
Posted by: ray | December 7, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Ray: Shinseki was NOT against the war in Iraq, (nor were Jones, Hillary, Gates, etc.), he ONLY disagreed with Rumsfeld over the number of troops. Obama is bestowing all of this virtue on Shinseki, simply because he was right about the war strategy, not about the war itself.
Posted by: KMB | December 7, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
KMB says: I am so glad that I decided to stay home on election day, even though I donated hundreds of dollars of my hard earned money to Obama’s campaign and even stood in the August sun for three hours registering voters for him. After the way he treated Clark after the “set-up” on CBS and during his convention, I lost all respect for Obama.”
You were an avid supporter and registered voters for Obama in AUGUST even after losing respect for Obama after Clark’s CBS (Face the Nation) appearance happened in JUNE???
It took you two months to realize you now hated Obama?
Now, that, my friends is what’s known as blowing one’s cover!!
Posted by: CarolinaGirl | December 7, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
So, KMB, you were still OK with Obama after the CBS “set up” but his treatment of Clark at the convention, did it huh? And what treatment was that? The fact that Clark was recognized at the convention along with a dozen or so other retired military officers on the final night of the convention?
Man, I know tons of folks who were ready to storm the stage with rage after that despicable treatment!! Ha!
And by the way, you do that that Clark is Jewish, don’t you?
Posted by: CarolinaGirl | December 7, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
The military at that level advises more than anything and we are supposed to be apolitical. Shinseki stated that to do this war correctly we’d need many more people than Rumsfield was willing to place in Iraq to stabalize it. Most of us stated something similar to Shinseki while I was in Iraq (Quit hamstringing us. Either do this right or take us home). It’s sad that the prophecy of Shinseki was proven grieveously correct.
Posted by: Ray | December 7, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
First of all, Obama attempted to throw Clark under the bus after the CBS set-up, but had to back down when the net-roots got in an uproar. Secondly, Obama informed Clark that his services at the convention were not needed. Obama co-oped Clark’s theme “Securing America’s Future”, and then did not even allow him to speak at the convention. That was a low blow. Finally, Clark is NOT Jewish. His father was. You just need to hang it up, because you cannot defend the indefensible. Obama and the Democrats are WRONG for treating Clark the way they do, and they will fail for doing it. The Republicans have found out the hard way that following the Jews only leads to disaster. Now it is time for the Democrats to find out the same.
Posted by: KMB | December 7, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Ray: You are so blinded by the desire to find in Obama a Messiah that no matter what he does, you will make an excuse for it, and pretend that it is great. Obama is NO savior. He is just another ambitious politician who is in way over his head. He will disappoint you and the rest of the country. I don’t care how much people and the media try to pretend that he is the best thing that has ever happened.
Posted by: KMB | December 7, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
>>Ray: You are so blinded by the desire to find in Obama a Messiah that no matter what he does, you will make an excuse for it, and pretend that it is great. Obama is NO savior. He is just another ambitious politician who is in way over his head. He will disappoint you and the rest of the country. I don’t care how much people and the media try to pretend that he is the best thing that has ever happened.>>
And you didn’t understand this until Wes Clark didn’t speak at the convention?
Posted by: CarolinaGirl | December 7, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Here’s another Republican checking in to say that I am pleased with the appointment of Shinseki. He is an honorable man and a good leader. And I would add that I am pleased that some of the folks who assumed they would have a role in this administration are so far not getting an assignment– specifically Wesley Clark, who is a weasel, and the odious John Kerry. The military men that Obama has chosen are far superior to Clark, as the foreign policy folks (well, except for Rice) are far superior to Kerry.
Posted by: moderate | December 7, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
So, Moderate: Susan Rice is inferior to Kerry. Rice who is a Rhodes Scholar with a PhD, was widely viewed as an expert on foreign policy during the Clinton administration and Africa in particular is worse than the *odious* Kerry?
Spare me.
Posted by: CarolinaGirl | December 7, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
CarolinaGirl: I supported Obama, because he claimed that he wanted to change the way Washington works. He claimed that he would not allow the Lobbyists and special interests to control his campaign or his administration. All of that was nothing but lies. He has done exactly the opposite of everything he said. He has chosen for his administration the very people who have gotten us into the terrible mess we are in now, including Gen. Shenseki. You may think that what Obama is doing is trying to create a great administration, but all Obama is trying to do is to set the stage for his reelection. He believes that if he is able to appease the Jews, whom he thinks hold the key to his reelection, he will be assured of a second term.
Posted by: KMB | December 7, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Again KMB, I like Shinseki as a soldier and think he will serve his fellow veterans and soldiers with honor and dignity. I don’t think Obama is a messiah or the best thing since sliced bread. I do think anyone is better than Bush. Blinded by Obama? Nah, I’m too much of a cynic to think that anyone is going to “save us”. I also won’t just blindly follow anyone. I do appreciate the smell of burned flesh, especially feet flesh. :). Sorry to burst your bubble, but hey, you’re wrong on my opinion. I started my service with Shinseki involved and I am proud to see him recognized for his accomplishments.
Posted by: rayh | December 7, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
KMB, now you claim that you don’t support Obama because of his cabinet appointments, etc. — all post election things. But earlier you said you stayed home and didn’t vote for him because of how he treated Wes Clark at the convention. Which is it?
If you tell the truth you don’t have to remember what you said.
Posted by: CarolinaGirl | December 7, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
CarolinaGirl: Once again you totally misconstrue what I have said. Obama began going back on his promise of change when he chose Joe Biden as his running mate. Joe Biden has 35 years of Washington experience. How is that change? And yes, I firmly believe that Obama should have chosen Gen. Clark as his running mate. Clark is the ONLY one prepared to meet the challenges we face, with foreign policy, military, energy, and economic expertise. Now why wouldn’t Obama want someone with these qualifications helping him through the crises we face? The only answer is that he is trying not to offend the Jews.
Posted by: KMB | December 8, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am
KMB, So now you’re mad that Clark wasn’t the running mate. I thought you were mad about Clark not getting a prominent speaking role at the convention? Oh, I see. NOT.
And he picked Biden, a Roman Catholic, to appease the Jews? Wow.
You were never an Obama supporter. And you really should lay off the antisemitism since Clark proudly acknowledges and embraces his Jewish heritage. You see, he knows he’s a Jew.
Again, when you tell the truth, you don’t have to have a good memory.
Posted by: CarolinaGirl | December 8, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am
CarolinaGirl: You have absolutely no grounds on which to stand. You are simply flailing. Why? Because you know that there is NO way that you can defend the treatment that Gen. Clark has gotten from Obama and the Democrats. You can make all the excuses you want, but the facts are the facts. So, continue to make irrelevant points all you want. I know the truth and so does God. Unlike you, I do not mistake Obama for Him. Fair is Fair. Obama allowed Clark to go all over the country to campaign for him, and so far, he has totally dismissed and disrespected him. That is a sin. Also, to respond to your accqusation that I did not support Obama, I wish that were true, but I know, and God knows, that my two kids and I sent him hundreds of dollars, and my son and I stood out in the hot sun for three hours registering voters for his campaign. Now, whether you believe that or not, makes no difference to me, because I do NOT respect your opinion at all. However, as I stated, I and my two kids stayed home on election day, because unlike all of the brain-washed minions, like yourself, who were totally mesmerized by Obama, we saw him for what he is, a typical selfish politician who thinks that pragmatism is synonymous with self-interest. And just as he has shifted his positions to lay the ground work for his reelection, he will continue to do whatever he feels is in his own best interest. Finally, to respond to that old, tired, last resort of a response about anti-semetism, first I am not anti-semetic, I am anti-sin. And what Obama and the Democrats are doing to Clark is a sin. Also, Clark is not a Jew. His father was, i.e., his father practiced Judeaism. And it should be said that the fact that it is the Jews that Obama has sold out to is coincidental. I would be saying the same thing if he had sold out to any other special interest group.
Posted by: KMB | December 8, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
KMB, nowhere in this thread have I argued for or against Clark or Shinseki. I have posted solely to point out that you’re lying about being an Obama supporter. Your repeated contradictions make that clear.
Clark is no different from the hundreds of people campaigned all across the country for Obama. If he supported Obama because he thought he would get something out of it, that’s his problem. He should have gotten it in writing!
Your reasoning is . . . how shall I put this . . . INSANE and given your unhinged rantings here, thank goodness you’re not an Obama supporter!
Posted by: CarolinaGirl | December 8, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
CarolinaGirl: You are right. I am NO longer an Obama supporter. And as long as he treats Gen. Clark the way he is treating him, I will NEVER be a supporter of Obama or the Democrats ever again. As I have said: Fair is Fair. Clark’s support for Obama and the Democrats has been substantial. He was very instrumental is helping them win the Congress back in 2006. But all they can do is disrespect such a well-qualified, experienced man. I think it is disgraceful, and whether you believe me is totally irrelevant, because as Jesus says, when it comes to the truth and wisdom, “Do not throw pearls at swine.” Wisdom and morality is wasted on an individual such as yourself.
Posted by: KMB | December 8, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
KMB, if you ever supported Obama (which I don’t believe for a second) you did so because you expected him to pick Clark. Clark was (a) a Hillary supporter and (b) a horrible candidate when he ran in 2004.
If not getting your choice for veep makes you quit the democratic party, good riddance!
And with that, I’m done with you. You’ve been completely discredited!!
Posted by: CarolinaGirl | December 8, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
Concerned in OH
once again I find myself thinking that I might need to provide for my self defense knowing that you are armed and walking freely in America.
Posted by: Blue | December 8, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
KMB
on one hand, you rant about ‘special interests’, and then say that you hate Obama because he doesn’t ‘pay back’ supporters like Gen. Clark with a ‘quid pro quo’…
yawnnnnnnnnn
Posted by: Blue | December 8, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Blue: I see you are just as ill-informed as CarolinaGirl. Since when is doing what’s best for the country quid pro quo. And, if Obama did not believe in quid pro quo, he would not have Hillary Clinton, Napolitano, Daschle, et.al., in his administration. Gen. Clark is more qualified than all of these individuals. I want to see individuals who care more about their country than they do their political careers. I want individuals who have a strong work ethic and a strong record of success. Obama has chosen the same individuals who got us in the mess we are in. He is allowing the foxes to guard the hen house, so to speak. And I ask the question: If Obama is simply seeking the best and the brightest, regardless of ideology or political leanings, why does that exclude Gen. Wesley Clark, the most qualified and prepared Democrat there is?
Posted by: KMB | December 8, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
KMB, have you forgotten something? all of those positions can be changed on a whim, should it strike the Potus’ fancy. Please, tell me where Gen Clark has experience in any of the non military fields. Where would you put him? Sec of ED? Sec of AG? While I respect Clark as a fellow veteran, I don’t see where to put him to make use of his experience. Your complaints that Obama has picked the same people that “got us into this mess”, is a catch 22. You need some experience in the area you are working on to fix it. Obama also has a different goal than Clinton did, do his advisors have to think under HIS train of thought. Also, General Hugh Shelton’s comments on Gen Clark might have had some impact on Obama not choosing Clark.
Posted by: ray | December 8, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
BTW, your arguement that Clark should be secdef…he can’t be. He has to be out of the military for 10 yrs before he is allowed by law to attain that position.
Posted by: ray | December 8, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
KMB
re: ‘Gen. Clark is more qualified than all of these individuals.’
well, you certainly are a cliche driven poster, Gen. Clark is the most qualified according to you, now, I don’t have any idea of what your credentials are to make that kind of generalized statement as to to whose better than who, but, judging by your rhetoric, that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is ‘uninformed’
Posted by: Blue | December 8, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Ray: Gen. Clark is considered an expert in foreign policy, energy independence, the military, etc. He also has a Master’s in Economics and is a successful businessman. I believe the ideal position for him is National Security Adviser. This position is not just about foreign policy, but is also about energy and the economy. Clark is a Rhodes Scholar with a double Master’s in politics and economics.
Also, even though it is generally expected that an individual be retired from the military ten years before he/she becomes Secretary of Defense, there are ways around this requirement, through an act of Congress. And since the Democrats control the Congress, this should be no problem.
Posted by: KMB | December 8, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
and kmb, General Jones has just as an impressive resume. You haven’t shown substantiation as to your allegation that Clark is the superior candidate for NSA.
Posted by: ray | December 8, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
Ray: Gen. Jones has a four-year degree, and his only career has been in the military. As I said, Clark is a Rhodes Scholar with expertise in the areas of foreign policy, the military, energy, the economy, etc. He is a successful businessman and former Economics professor. He is also a former presidential candidate. I tried to give you his website address, but the moderator edited my last comment. But if you have time, you should visit his website. General Jones is none of this. He is also a Republican, who would have been appointed by McCain, if he had won. In fact, he campaigned with McCain during the general election. Gen. Jones is in NO WAY more qualified than Gen. Clark, and Clark is a Democrat. As to Gen. Shelton’s remarks, read my post dated 12/7/2008 at1:08:43 p.m.
Posted by: KMB | December 8, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
KMB and if you had listened to obama in the primaries, he said he’d have republicans, democrats and independents, etc in his cabinet. Weren’t you listening? Looking purely at their achievements, they are both respectable members of the Mililtary and both are suited for the NSA position. Your insistance that Clark should be given a position, due mainly to his backing Obama, is nothing short of quid pro quo. I noticed you brought up that Jones is a Republican. Does it really matter? This is supposed to be an inclusive and uniting government. You seem so far attatched to Clark, would you benefit from him being placed in high office somehow? I said this before, and I’ll say it again: The cabinet and advisors are the presidents choices alone to make.
Posted by: ray | December 8, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm