Obama Was Interested in Senate Successor After All
ABC News’ Rick Klein Reports: Among the very many interesting tidbits in President-elect Barack Obama’s report on staff contacts with Gov. Rod Blagojevich, there’s this from the portion on Obama himself (emphasis mine): “After [Valerie] Jarrett decided on November 9, 2008 to withdraw her name from consideration as a possible replacement for him in the Senate and to accept the White House job, the President-Elect discussed other qualified candidates with David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel. Those candidates included Representatives Jan Schakowsky and Jesse Jackson, Jr., Dan Hynes and Tammy Duckworth. The President-Elect understood that Rahm Emanuel would relay these names to the Governor’s office as additions to the pool of qualified candidates who might already be under consideration. Mr. Emanuel subsequently confirmed to the President that he had in fact relayed these names. At no time in the discussion of the Senate seat or of possible replacements did the President-Elect hear of a suggestion that the Governor expected a personal benefit in return for making this appointment to the Senate.” To clarify, then: This was not just idle talk between the president-elect and his top aides. This discussion of specific candidates was taking place with the expectation that the governor would be told about Obama’s preferences. And Rahm Emanuel did as he was told, in conversations with Blagojevich’s then chief of staff. There is nothing untoward or even unexpected about that. As the report seeks to make clear, neither Obama nor Emanuel nor anyone else in the Obama inner circle was engaged in any horse-trading or pay-for-play schemes with Blagojevich. Still, this is a level of interest and involvement in his Senate seat that Obama has not admitted to publicly. Compare this to what Obama said Nov. 7 — three days after the election — when asked by a Chicago Tribune reporter the extent to which he would use his “probably pretty great influence in determining the successor for your Senate seat.” Obama: “This is the governor’s decision. It is not my decision. And I think that the criteria that I would have for my successor would be the same criteria that I’d have if I were a voter: somebody who is capable, somebody who is passionate about helping working families in Illinois meet their — meet their dreams. And I think there are going to be a lot of good choices out there. But it is the governor’s decision to make, not mine.” And here’s what David Axelrod said two weeks ago, at a forum at Harvard: “There’s a vacancy the governor apparently — if you believe the complaint from the government — had some ideas about what to do with it. We were not involved in that discussion or any discussion of that nature,” Axelrod said. True enough, according to the report. But doesn’t this leave a bit of a different impression of Obama’s role in all of this than turns out to be the case? Could it be that Obama wasn’t above playing a bit of — gasp! — politics?
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Oh Gosh, how shocking, a senator is interested in who fills his vacated seat. What on earth is next?
Posted by: JR | December 23, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Just keep stiring the pot and trying to make it sound like Obama did something wrong. Good work ABC. Where were you when the current President was taking us to war? Where was your curiosity then? I guess investigative journalism can only exsist during Democratic administrations.
Rake the muck ABC.
Posted by: blakec | December 23, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Politicians lie.
Obama is a politician.
Obama lied.
Is any Obama supporter surprised?
Posted by: USmarine0331 | December 23, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
Are we surprised? Obama is a Chicago Machine Cog and his initial denials about “its the Governor’s decision” is now shown to be false – just like his initial stance on Wright, Trinity, Ayers and others.
His persistent deceit, however, is a good thing – he was probably the only one capable of selling socialism to center-right America – now, I am going to make out like a bandit since money from greedy rich people will be transferred to me and my friends. (I can stay a “permanent student” forever)
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 23, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
I think that’s why any thinking person has issues with this report and with what Obama says. OF COURSE he was interested in his replacement! But he goes around saying, no he’s not. I hope his hide gets nailed with this. Forget all this lawyerly prevaricting. He was interested, he pushed his favorites and then said he didn’t. In short, he essentially lied.
Posted by: beth | December 23, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Forget all this lawyerly prevaricting. He was interested, he pushed his favorites and then said he didn’t. In short, he essentially lied.
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Clintonian and now Obamanian Speak:
It depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is.
Posted by: Joe | December 23, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Are we surprised that people like “Suzy sucksdonkey” find fault where none exists, NOOOOOO. It is now and always will be the neo-con way, “Fear and Smear”, heavy on the Smear.
Posted by: JR | December 23, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Are we surprised that people like “Suzy sucks*****” find fault where none exists
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I take exception to that comment in two ways:
a) We all know Obama is a slick politician who shades the truth and has radical affiliations/participations – how do you think he got ahead in Chicago. Read ObamaNation and you will understand this truth.
b) This deceipt and slickness are good traits – there is no other way of selling Socialism to center-right America. We need Obama now!
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 23, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
BO did lie; he told the press and the American people that he nor his cabinet had any discussions with RB when, in fact, they had.
A lie is a lie is a lie. This is one of many; the volume is getting louder and louder about this guy. Some Americans apparently have put ear plugs in so they can continue to “believe”.
Posted by: GREG | December 23, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
Why didn’t Obama just be truthful since there was no illegality here? I just wish pols could learn that the public prefers the “unvarnished truth”.
Posted by: Vivi | December 23, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Oh, and BTW, what better way to distract the swoon addicts than to release photos of their “god” shirtless to ogle whilst the anointed one deceives.
Don’t think the timing for this photo op was anything more than a way to change the subject knowing the report was coming out.
If the swoon addicts are too busy masturbating to his photo they won’t have time or attention to pay to the legit story of his lies, deceit and transgressions.
Posted by: Greg | December 23, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
VIVI, when you have normalized lying you’ve forgotten what it is to tell the truth and when to tell it.
Don’t think for a moment that Blog wasn’t acting in normalcy about this situation.
His anger at BO was about BO not holding up his part of whatever bargain was made, why else would he have raged at BO. Questions not being asked by the press, but then, why would they, they’re too busy using his shirtless photo as soft porn of distraction.
Posted by: GREG | December 23, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
It is not that serious Greg. That stupid picture would not make me forget he screwed up….if it were so!
He was interested in his replacement. What else is new?
Posted by: glolo | December 23, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
Obama did not lie and he did not ever contact the governor himself. But if he had it would have been completely legal. It becomes a problem if anyone in Obama’s staff was willing to go along with Blagojevich with hanky panky and they did not. This has already been reported by Patrick Fitzgerald the Federal Prosecutor. Of course Obama is interested in who will take his senate seat. Read the article. As anyone should realize President Elect Obama has been very busy appointing his cabinet positions. He wants a qualified and serious person to fill his senate seat which is very understandable. He will have the most honest administration in years because he is an honest man.
Posted by: Vicki | December 23, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
Great work, ABC! Let’s expose it all. All the lies and the dirty deals. Keep up the good work!
Posted by: Mihann | December 23, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
Mr. Obama is a serial liar. He has said that no one contact Governor Blago.
Posted by: young_voter | December 23, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
Did you care when we were told lie after lie for eight long years about very serious issues like war, honor, integrity, decency, torture, rendition, political prosecutions, or corruption? Now you want to say Obama lied about something when he did not. It is your beloved president who is the liar. It is your beloved current president who has brought rack and ruin upon America.
Posted by: Vicki | December 23, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
i think Obama meant he, personally, did not discuss his open senate seat with Blagojevich or any of his (Blagojevich’s) aides. of course Obama spoke about with his own staff. and Emanuel spoke to Blogojevich once and an aide several times, NONE about quid pro quo. none of this is suprising, unusual or astounding. hardly anything to write home about.
Posted by: Paul Wall | December 23, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
So Obama is a proven liar. So much for change…
Posted by: Buyer's Remorse | December 23, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
young_voter—Obama has had no contact with blagojevich. if your associate speaks to someone is it fair for me to say you spoke to that someone. of course not.
Posted by: Paul Wall | December 23, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
I is very appropriate for President Obama to be interested in who fills his seat. Each party does this, just as President Bush was except he already had a republican Lt.governor. So please tell me what did Obama lie about? Greg the only porn was when those perverted republicans was trying to have sex with men and fresh out of high school boys.
Posted by: sara wilson | December 23, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
CHEESE, we need CHEESE for all this whining about Obama. If you whiners would spend as much effort on cleaning your own house, helping your neighbor and praying for peace you might feel good about yourselves. Most of us aren’t over complaining about Bush, Cheney and whatshisname, so temper it please and let us continue to grumble about the past 8 years and work toward changing this country back to respectability.
Posted by: Yankee | December 23, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
Grow up and care about the world, children dying, something that matters. Politicians are who they are. People with their head in the sand obsessing about stains on dresses and not wars are killing our world, and your grandkids will hold you responsible.
Posted by: Elaine Broskie | December 23, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
Sara, you’re then equating sex with legal aged men and/or women, perverted?
Your sex life must be quite the party! Oiy!
What did he lie about? LOL! Apparently you don’t know the difference between telling a lie and telling the truth even when the words are right in front of you on this blog by the author, myself and other bloggers. How rich!
You probably think the Republicans held the house and senate the last 2 years, too, I’ll bet.
Posted by: Greg | December 23, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
GREG—”His anger at BO was about BO not holding up his part of whatever bargain was made.” there was no agreement, Greg. what part of no agreement do you not get?
and that’s cool about the pic at the beach but what it’s doing on a professional news website is beyond. i like ABC not People ragazine. blame that on ABC not Obama. if you think it’s pornography you need to talk to a senator from Idaho who will do the tap-tap with his foot and rub your ankle.
Posted by: Paul Wall | December 23, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Greg, “perverted” not at all! it’s cool to be gay. Craig got busted for public solicitation—not so cool.
Posted by: Paul Wall | December 23, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
Elaine, your comments are appalling.
To care about who is taking the office of one of the most powerful positions in the world, IS caring about the world. This person will affect the system for generations, you twit!
Why don’t you try living your life at no cost to others without their consent.
Posted by: Greg | December 23, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
Paul, I find it interesting that you can’t focus on the person we’re talking about, but instead, attempt to distract by pointing to someone else’s behavior.
It’s not porn to the extent of the what the person viewing it is doing with it.
Now, why else would all this hoopla be going on about his shirtless pic, unless….what?
Gimme a break. You know damn well that the picture was posted to incite swooning by his idiot supporters, mostly women, to keep the charade alive.
Posted by: Greg | December 23, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
There IS NO STORY HERE. Its sad that the news has to make up stuff through innuendo because otherwise what would they have to write about. An honest politician…couldn’t be. Why not make something up out of whole cloth? Its not beneath you to do so.
Posted by: David Sher | December 23, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
Greg: Please stop attacking Elaine for her compassion about what she considers far more important issues. You have yours, allow her the same courtesy.
And, just what in the world does this statement mean and how do you accomplish such a task?
“Why don’t you try living your life at no cost to others without their consent.”
Posted by: Yankee | December 23, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
this is trivia—all of it, at best. can you imagine winning the presidency, trying to put your team together and remeber every converstation you had about every topic?
i honestly think he meant no deal-making occured and that he did not talk to anyone on the governor’s staff, much less the governor.
subsequently he said that someone on his staff may have spoken about the senate position.
he has maintained consistently that he nor anyone on his staff ever made any king of deal whatsoever. a wishlist does not an illegal deal make.
Posted by: Paul Wall | December 23, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
I find it interesting that you think that public solicitation isn’t “cool” and yet every single bar in this nation is replete with people doing their best at public solicitation.
So, someone doesn’t like the setting, so what! LOL!
Afraid of seeing what you don’t want to see; hearing what you don’t want to hear!
Oh, I see, it’s cause it was a public restroom instead of a bar, or mall, or church, or grocery store, or school, or work place, or…. yeah, we get it.
Posted by: Greg | December 23, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
Yankee, who’s minding your business while you’re so busy minding everyone else’s?
This is what free speech is all about, unless you have a problem with people having freedom.
Do you have a problem with people having freedom? do you, human hater?
Why don’t you take your controlling, regulation liberal stupidity somewhere else, you trog.
liberals are ANYTHING but liberal! True to form Yankee! True to form!
Posted by: Greg | December 23, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Wow! What a stretch. Face it, Obama did nothing wrong, therefore, no fault was found.
Posted by: Craig | December 23, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
“And, just what in the world does this statement mean and how do you accomplish such a task?
“Why don’t you try living your life at no cost to others without their consent.”
LOL! Spoken like a true liberal.
Are you that stupid you can’t figure it out!
If every choice you make in life is not at a cost to another human being without his or her consent, how easy would life be?
Think about all your choices where you seek to control, manipulate, regulate or shut down others because of your personal subjective perspective in life!
Get a clue.
make your choices in life, personal and subjective as each one of them is, without infringing on someone else’s life; not taking their money, their time, their freedoms.
Posted by: Greg | December 23, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
i agree with you Greg. the state of Minnesota has a law against it. people going to bars go to bars in hopes of meeting someone for dare we say sexual encounters. when was the last time you cruised a public restroom for sex? i mean no disrespect to you. but it’s ludicrous.
i think heterosexuals are lucky in this sense. they can flirt and pick-up at the mall, the church, school and work. can you imagine a gay person doing that? they’d risk a split lip at least and fractured skull or worse.
Posted by: Paul Wall | December 23, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
Who cares whether Obama lied or not.
No one has died because of Obama’s lie.
Bush lied and more than 4,000 brave Americans are dead.
What do you hypocrit Republicans have to say about that?
Posted by: Steve_NJ | December 23, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
OMG! A prez-elect has the audacity to suggest who he or she would want to take his or her vacant seat! Conspiracy be damned! The sky’s falling! THE SKY’S FALLING!
Posted by: Dallas | December 23, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
this is just media b.s. without the drama making there is no story. what Obama said last week was confirmed today. that we as a nation could go into the holidays and make it to inauguration without this pathetic non-story is sad indeed. i guess people want it. the media thrives on this, sound bites, blogs, hot tempers, pitting liberals against conservatives when they aren’t that far apart.
Posted by: Paul Wall | December 23, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
Ol Bare-back promised “change”.
Looks like there was a footnote we missed. No change. Just another liar.
So he dupes his sheep with a prepared picture and they buy the distraction. Freshly waxed even, just to make it even more better for those sheep.
Posted by: Bare-back Bama | December 23, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Bare-back Bama—your screen-name does no honot to conservatives. if you don’t know what “bare-back” means i suggest you look it up. you shouldn’t act holier than though, call people liars and behave like a fouteen-year-old who thinks sexual references are funny. you’re neither funny nor respectable. if you live in a glass house, don’t throw stones.
Posted by: Paul Wall | December 23, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
Bare-back Bama—you seemed really turned on about the picture. it realy is a slow news day. everyone wanted a report and they got it, just like kids at christmas. only, like kids, it’s not good enough, it’s never good enough. so now that everyone has what they wanted let’s move on. nothing in the report contradicts what Obama said. no doubt there is a conspiracy in it…there is in everything. so spin that that conspiracy, have fun.
Posted by: Paul Wall | December 23, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
and where will you go “Bare-back Bama” now that your shepherd is leaving Washinton and writing memoirs and opening a presidential library? off a cliff?
it’s not so serious. you lost—big time. it’s not just liberals who like Obama. in fact, more moderates liked him, even republicans, many.
alot of people were turned off by that hatred. keep up that hatred and you’ll lose again.
Posted by: Paul Wall | December 23, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
ABCeeya…
You guys are chummin’ for fish on yer gossip blog. If you’d spend 1/2 the time on the Bush administration our Country might be in a lot better shape. Unfortunately Bush has you losers effectively neutered.
Posted by: Chapman | December 23, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
Obama, Emamuel, and the rest all have lawyers now lmao
the lying thug from chicago will not last 2 years before he is forced to resign for corruption
Posted by: ABC-n-the -tank-4-obama | December 23, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Obama should have simply said of course my office suggested names to the governor and left it at that. Nothing illegal or surprising. But, he didn’t say that. Why not? There would be no story if he had.
His people mishandled this whole thing, which leaves a scintillating wisp of smoke to hint at a fire.
Maybe that’s the smoldering fire. A deep look into Daly’s Chicago. What did Blago receive for giving his congressional seat to Rahm when he was elected governor? Why did Michelle get that plush job tripling her income on a non-profit hospital board after Obama was elected state senator? Maybe these are the questions no one wants to answer, but might start popping up.
Not that any of it really matters except it might tarnish all the Obamalot hyperventilating.
Posted by: justahousewife | December 23, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Move on people!!!!
End of story!!!!!!
Posted by: sisterdearest09 | December 23, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
It’s good to be a Drama Queen! If you can’t beat them, tarnish them! Brought to you by the anti-Obama crusade.
Posted by: Pride and Glory | December 23, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
It would have to be a dead fish that would not be interested in who the replacement would be. There’s nothing wrong about this, so quit saying that there must be something fishy about any contacts. As long as it wasn’t a trade of greenbacks for a candidate, showing interest is absolutely correct, and would be totally suspicious if no interest or contact was made for the post.
Posted by: Sareena Jones | December 23, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
It would have to be a dead fish that would not be interested in who the replacement would be. There’s nothing wrong about this, so quit saying that there must be something fishy about any contacts. As long as it wasn’t a trade of greenbacks for a candidate, showing interest is absolutely correct, and would be totally suspicious if no interest or contact was made for the post.
Posted by: Sareena Jones | December 23, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
powmadeak47.com is right. The real is issue is how Ocrapa sold positions to Hillary and Rahm Emanuel.
Posted by: Tor | December 23, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
I know one thing, President-elect Obama has a HOT BODY!!!!
MAN O’ MAN!!!!
Posted by: sisterdearest09 | December 23, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
Moveon People!
So what if Obama is a Chicago Machine Cog who buddies up with scum like Ayers, Wright, Pleger, Dhorn, Blago…
He is a SOCIALIST and will transfer more wealth to the people who deserve it. The ends justify the means.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 23, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
SuzyTheLiberal:
Get a life!!!!
Election is over!!!
I do not entertain BULL!!!!
Posted by: sisterdearest09 | December 23, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
That’s my point. I don’t know why Obama didn’t relate the whole story at the beginning. I’m merely guessing, like everyone else, because he didn’t. I can’t see one thing wrong with submitting names of people he thought would be good senators. End of story, only his people didn’t think it was a good idea to admit his office had had contact with Blago when this story broke. Why? People wouldn’t be asking questions now if he had stated the complete story upfront. It’s natural to wonder why.
Posted by: justahousewife | December 23, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
do not entertain BULL!!!!
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Sister,
I really hate conservatives who think they know it all. I have a psychology degree from Berkeley and I know whats up. Get onboard – Socialism is here. Get your lousy Corporate job so we can tax you! Obama is my man.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 23, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
I can;’t believe ABC is wasting our time with this. It’s such a non-issue.
Get over it neo-cons. Our president-elect is WAY more honest and clear than Bush and Cheney. If this happened with them all we would have got is their old “We can’t comment on an ongoing investigation” line.
So be glad we got a full report on what went down and quit whining.
Posted by: McInsane | December 24, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
“Get over it neo-cons. Our president-elect is WAY more honest and clear than Bush and Cheney”
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Lets see: Obama was buddies with Rezko, Ayers, Dhorn, Daley, Wright, Pleger, Farrakhan… and continually lies – a few examples:
“Just another guy on my street”
“Never heard him say anything bad in 20 years of church attendance”
“Did not help me buy my property”
“Only wrote a ‘form letter’ to support Rezko’s fraudulent projects in my district”
“Sent my kids to an elite private school because it was 5 minutes from my house” (public school was closer)
Hmmm… Obama = Mega Lies. The next 4 years will be really, really, really fun. And I have a front row seat.
Posted by: Joe | December 24, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
“Hmmm… Obama = Mega Lies. The next 4 years will be really, really, really fun. And I have a front row seat.”
Dear Joe(sixpack), That will be the next 8 years so get used to it!
Posted by: McInsane | December 24, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am
Suzy, are you very young? You must be and you haven’t been taught in school that socialism has been proved a failed system of government in every case. The deserving people simply live on the same level of misery except for a small ruling oligarchy who live the good life. I don’t see the Obamas choosing to live small, nor should they. They both worked hard to get where they are. They deserve a fantasy vacation in Hawaii and private schools for their little girls. I would make the same choices if I could. I applaud their success and the system that provided it.
Posted by: justahousewife | December 24, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
Dear Joe(sixpack), That will be the next 8 years so get used to it!
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Thats right – 4 years in office (Like Carter) and 4 years of follow-on investigations potentially ending in handcuffs like Blago.
Posted by: Joe | December 24, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
Time to widen the investigation – we need to get to the bottom of the Chicao corruption. Dig into all links of the Daley machine, Rezko “pay for play” schemes, radical educational ploys and Trinity Church alliances. Oops – all of these threads come back the same big eared politician – Obama.
Posted by: Johnny Right | December 24, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
Justahousewive,
I am a recent Berkeley grad (both my parents teach there) – my parents, teachers, and media heros have taught me that America has a corrupt capitalistic culture that has resulted in too many rich people who do not care about the rest of us.
My profs say that Cuba and the Soviet Union simply implemented socialism wrong – and they did not have someone as smart as Obama. Obama’s dad promoted communision in Kenya and Obama was friends with Frank Marshall Davis – a prominent communist. He was a candidate of the socialist New Party in the mid-90s. Additionally, Axelrod’s mom was a writer for a communist newspaper in NY. Bottom line: Obama will do it right and the rich will finally get what the deserve.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 24, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am
Suzy, you’re fooling with us, right?
Posted by: justahousewife | December 24, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am
Justahousewife,
No. My friends and I (all young, recent grads) voted for Obama largely due to his economic/tax policy – we beleive that wealth should be distributed better.
A Microsoft developer making $300K should not be paid more than a social program professional who works just as hard. I am being penalized for getting a liberal arts degree and facing job prospects in the $60K range – that is not fair – me and my generation deserve better.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 24, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
justahousewife: Suzy sounds more like the strawman right wingers conjure up to fill air time on talk radio. Probably just a college kid bored at home over the holidays jerking your chain. Obama has an actual record for anyone who bothers to look into it and it’s as centrist as Bill Clinton’s – there is no true ‘left’ party in American politics.
Posted by: jhw539 | December 24, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am
Gee, sort of flies in the face of his assertions that he wasn’t even interested in the replacement for his senate seat, no one on his staff spoke to the governor about the senate seat and he never recommended anyone for the senate seat.
Another typical politician, another day…
Posted by: takn | December 24, 2008, 3:10 am 3:10 am
It’s real simple folks. It’s called CHANGE, CHANGE AND MORE CHANGE. You better hold on for dear life.
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Posted by: G | December 24, 2008, 5:50 am 5:50 am
SuzyTheLiberal:
You’re whining about STARTING OUT at a “measly” 60K? As a social worker?? Sounds like YOU want to be rich, by the standards of us “regular people.” You gonna “get what you deserve”?
I’m sure you are, just not what you want to give the REST of the rich.
Here’s a blue’s clue for you, “new grad” child: People who make a lot of money make it giving people what they want. Video games, spectator sports, movies and music, all of these are considered more important BY THE MASSES than making the world a better place. So that’s where their money goes. Period. And it will after all the money is redistributed. Thus, the providers become wealthy AGAIN, and the masses return to their previous positions.
And your sheltered tenured profs are geniuses, really, pulling down 200K+ teaching impressionable minds that money is evil.
Posted by: Laughing Cynic | December 24, 2008, 6:34 am 6:34 am
Anyone who thinks that a politicians main goal is not like any other enclave is not to prptect their interests is not aware of the true nature of the machine.
Posted by: olin tucker | December 24, 2008, 7:07 am 7:07 am
Anyone who thinks that a politicians main goal is not like any other enclave is not to prptect their interests is not aware of the true nature of the machine.
Posted by: olin tucker | December 24, 2008, 7:07 am 7:07 am
This is so silly. I am certainly not a fan of Mr. Obama’s – but of course he’d be interested in who was going to fill his seat. He would want it to be someone who believes the same things he does… it’s only natural. There is nothing wrong with that. Blago is the one who did something wrong here… although it seems to be SOP in Illinois.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | December 24, 2008, 7:28 am 7:28 am
This such a non story. Guys like Rick Klein and Campbell Brown are trying as best they can to create some sort of controversy. Who in their right mind wouldn’t think that Obama wouldn’t have some interest in seeing someone appointed who, number 1 is a democrat, and 2 shared some of the views he held while representing the people of Illinois.
Funny how CNN headlined a story for the last 2 days about a poll taken over the weekend “Voters Split on Obama involvement” it was on their TV broadcast as well. This morning post release of the report, you have to dig to find anything. When you do find it, it contains phrases like “critics will wonder why he waited until Christmas week to release this information, as if they had something they wanted to keep under the radar” I paraphrase a bit. The reporting of late has been very comparable to the Tabloids. Pretty sad stuff.
Posted by: Tom. Tescher | December 24, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am
So, Obama is just another lying politician. He fooled so many. Listen to the apologists, and he hasn’t even been sworn in yet. To believe that obama is “above it all” is to believe he is the only virgin in the brothel. You don’t get elected dog catcher in Chicago without playing the game. People are so naive.
Posted by: JamesJ | December 24, 2008, 8:21 am 8:21 am
Tabloid journalism by Rick Klein. “Obama interested in Senate seat after all”, This is a fine example of what I stated in my previous post.
Klein wants us to pay attention to his dribble by using this type of headline.
Posted by: Tom. Tescher | December 24, 2008, 8:22 am 8:22 am
Why are you still talking about this? It’s OVER. The Obama Transition Team put out a REPORT, written by the Obama Transition Team, that clearly states, that no-one in the Obama Transition Team had anything to do with the Blagojevich thing. There you have it. They heard the charges, they went over the allegations, they quetioned themselves, and they decided that they did nothing wrong. Case Closed.
Posted by: Timothy L. Pennell | December 24, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am
It is NOT Obama’s senate seat; it belongs to the people of Illinois. He probably should have stayed out of it, but the issue here, so far, is that he LIED about his involvement, not the involvement itself. He’s a politician, and he’s crooked, like all of them. The sooner his followers take off their rose-colored glass, the better. This election was a season of American Idol, and you know how fast those people self-destruct.
Posted by: MadeInUSA | December 24, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
“The sooner his followers take off their rose-colored glass, the better.”
No rose-colored glasses here. As long as he’s not taking money for favors, I don’t really care. His dealings in Chicago and what he’s going to be doing in the White House are apples and oranges as far as I’m concerned.
Posted by: Silky | December 24, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
“This election was a season of American Idol,”
Ahhh, yeah. Right. If you’re getting at the whole “you campaign in poetry and you govern in prose”, then yes. But that’s always been the case.
Posted by: Silky | December 24, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Obama has an actual record for anyone who bothers to look into it and it’s as centrist as Bill Clinton’s
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Obama was has the most liberal voting record of any senator: http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/
His Illinois Senate record was very liberal – release inmates early, soft on youth crime (he partnered with Ayers on this), partial birth abortions…
Consistent “F”s with the taxpayer union – has not met a tax he does not like.
Centrist? Thats a great joke.
Posted by: Joe | December 24, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Wait, wait, wait…the Magic Muslim was LYING??? Oh no, clutch the pearls! I thought only President Bush was capable of telling lies! No, the Plastic Saviour is as clean as the wind-driven snow, the only virgin in the bordello of Chicago politics!
Blagojevich was acting completely on his own, no one in Chicago EVER did this before, and no Democrat governor in any state of the nation is doig this right now with their special appointments to the House and Senate…
But, since Osama bin Urkel LIED to the American people already about him being a native-born US citizen (his drug-addled America-hating hippie mama renounced her American citizenship over five years before she ejected him from her womb in a vermin-infested hut in Kenya), since he COVERS UP by refusing to release ANY document that would prove he is constitutionally legitimate, and since he surrounds himself with criminal retreads from the disastrous Clinton crime syndicate, we’re supposed to beleive some BS “report” his Clinton attorney Greg Craig spews forth to cover up?
I have a feeling that the Plastic Muslim Messiah LIED to federal investigators, and we have an indictment coming down the pike for Bonobo-Hammed and many in his “transition team”. Say hello to Prezzie Biden (vomit!).
Posted by: bropous | December 24, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
And your sheltered tenured profs are geniuses, really, pulling down 200K+ teaching impressionable minds that money is evil.
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Laughing Cynic,
My profs have told me that corporate America and their greed is evil and that we should try to help the greater good – this is a pretty consistent message in our Universities. Young college students voted overwhelmingly for Obama – our liberal University environment was a big reason.
I was getting disillusioned with Obama -
he has always claimed to be a champion of the little people but his personal actions don’t match: He made a lot of mmoney on two books (without really accomplishing anything), he got a sweetheart deal on his $2M home with Rezko, he sends his kids to a $25K/year private school but doesn’t support vouchers for little people).
However, I got back onboard when he laid out his Socialist plan – moreover, he has never voted against a tax (#1 liberal voting record). Consequently, I beleive he will really transfer wealth from the rich people to us.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 24, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Suzy sounds more like the strawman right wingers conjure up to fill air time on talk radio.
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JHW539,
I am very real. I hope you are smart enough to know that the majority of us Obama voters want more wealth transfer from the rich to us.
The rabid right says that we don’t pay any income taxes (this is true – the bottom 40% actually receive 3.5% in tax credits), however, we have to pay sales tax on IPODS and things like that.
Obama will change all of this and hopefully increase our tax credit revenue. The lucky people with the high paying jobs should be giving us more.
Get with the program.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 24, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
PEOPLE – it never ceases to amaze me how people attach each other, for whatever reason. Both sides…stop and think about it. What is TRULY WRONG IS THAT THE REPLACEMENT GETS TO PICKED BY A POLITICAN AND NOT VOTED IN. It it ridiculous to have someone in office pick a Senator’s replacement as there should ONLY BE ONE WAY – the american people should get to vote. Why in the world wouldn’t Illinois and any other state that is short a senator hold an election and LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!! Especially when we knew we could end up in this situation with Obama and Biden on the ballot twice. That is ANOTHER PROBLEM..AND I COULD CARE LESS IF IT’S A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT…NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD TWO OFFICES AT ONCE OR BE ON THE BALLOT TWICE. IT JUST ISN’T RIGHT FOR EITHER SIDE AND BOTH SIDES GET ALL PISSED OFF WHEN IT’S NOT THEIR SIDE GETTING TO PICK THE REPLACEMENT.
When I vote I vote for the person, not just the party and letting a politician instead of the people replace a politician you are ALWAYS going to have partisan issues.
THE EASIEST SOLUTION IS TO LET THE PEOPLE VOTE IN THE REPLACEMENT. HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION. WHY WOULD WE WANT A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT DECIDE THIS? OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE GOING TO SIDE WITH THEIR OWN PARTY, NO MATTER WHAT SIDE THEY ARE ON.
LET THE PEOPLE VOTE.
GET RID OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
MAKE APPROPRIATE UPDATES TO TERM LIMITS AND PORK BARRELING.
CHANGE…YEAH RIGHT.
Posted by: Angel | December 24, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
SuzyTheLiberal -I hope you are being facetious. Otherwise, you are in for a very rude awakening, my dear. Why should people who work hard support your lazy butt?
Posted by: ellsbells930 | December 24, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
Rahm obviously had to know Blago was trying to sell the seat. Blago said himself that they weren’t going to offer him anything but appreciation for it. It all boils down to this. . . did Obama know that Blago was trying to sell the seat? If Rahm is doing his job passing along info the the PE, it’s very hard to imagine Obama didn’t know this. You’d have to be naive to think he just forgot to tell Obama about that part of their conversation. So if Obama knows this, as our soon to be president, who’s duty it is to do everything in his power in the best interest of our country, isn’t it his duty to release this info to the proper authorities? Somebody isn’t telling the truth here.
Posted by: Present | December 24, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
LOL This is a joke right? or are you actually stupid enough to try to connect suggesting names as Obama doing something wrong? These type of charges are the reason the Republicans are so far gone from political “power” that one can hardly find anyone willing to admit they are Republican! Soooo many now claim to be independent that it is just sad.
Get over it. Obama is a good man and will be a good President and these attacks that hold no merit just run more and more people to other parties.
LOL Imagine that the President elect has suggestions for his Senate seat BUT refused to pay for play! What was he thinking in being a good person? LOL Really? This is what you think is pertinent?
Posted by: Grissom | December 24, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Dear Klein,
Take notice: It is unseemly for Presidents – by extension President Elects – to publicly get involved in decisions that belong to Governors. This is why Obama hasn’t acknowledged publicly his preferences for successor. To do so could create an environment that makes it more challenging for the Governor to act independently as he should.
This article seems like you are just looking for something to write about before the holiday break. Take a break.
Posted by: Michael | December 24, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
There’s something wrong with providing a list of names that the current incumbent likes? Seriously, study up on what has gone on in the past. There’s nothing wrong with putting forward a list of names.
The story is about the activities of the Governor. Until there’s a shread of evidence that the Obama team did something wrong, you should move on.
Posted by: jnorman | December 24, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Obama did nothing wrong….stop it ABC…I’m getting so tired of the negativity…Obama won, he will become President and where were you when Bush had us into an unwarranted war, said the economy was structurely sound, and ignored Katrina….He and his administration ruined this country!!!!!
God help us all.
Posted by: Barb | December 24, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Republicans started dirty politics again this time with empty senate seat of Obama,what must be filled by a Democrat,”Period”.These republicans “Stole” election in 2000 for Bush and then Chainey,rumsfield,Katrina,gonzales,Katrina,”bhogus Iraq war” and in the name of war Looted Billions of taxpayer Dollars.Now this country is in serious tunmoil like ’30 depression. These people were dancing with bush-chainey for last 8 year. Whole world saw ” some Iraqi journalist throughing SHOE in the face of President Bush” does not he deserve ??Hay GOP what dirty game are you trying to play this time. We have made President Barak Hussain obama jr. our 44 th president in a HISTORIC and LANDSLIDE election ,Donated close to billion dollars for “Change” from dirty republicans who tried to fool and destroy our nation in last 8 years. This Bush-chainey was worse than Nixon and his “watergate”.These GOP need to stop and shut-up. after all voters are of these GOP and Cowboys who are trying to “RUIN” this country. In fact what we saw in last 8 years ,these GOP do not Deserve to come in “Power” until they qualify exactly what was the message from voters accross the nation.These people need to stop “Dirty politics” for ever. They can “Fool some people some ,but not all people all the time” and of course not this time.
Posted by: mksyed | December 24, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Republicans started dirty politics again this time with empty senate seat of Obama,what must be filled by a Democrat,”Period”.These republicans “Stole” election in 2000 for Bush and then Chainey,rumsfield,Katrina,gonzales,Katrina,”bhogus Iraq war” and in the name of war Looted Billions of taxpayer Dollars.Now this country is in serious tunmoil like ’30 depression. These people were dancing with bush-chainey for last 8 year. Whole world saw ” some Iraqi journalist throughing SHOE in the face of President Bush” does not he deserve ??Hay GOP what dirty game are you trying to play this time. We have made President Barak Hussain obama jr. our 44 th president in a HISTORIC and LANDSLIDE election ,Donated close to billion dollars for “Change” from dirty republicans who tried to fool and destroy our nation in last 8 years. This Bush-chainey was worse than Nixon and his “watergate”.These GOP need to stop and shut-up. after all voters are of these GOP and Cowboys who are trying to “RUIN” this country. In fact what we saw in last 8 years ,these GOP do not Deserve to come in “Power” until they qualify exactly what was the message from voters accross the nation.These people need to stop “Dirty politics” for ever. They can “Fool some people some ,but not all people all the time” and of course not this time.
Posted by: mksyed | December 24, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Marx wrote: “Religion is the opiate of the masses.” Maybe, just maybe, so is voting or clinging to particular political parties in the USA. Those who embrace Obama must now allow themselves to embrace Bush’s Secretary of Defense (Gates); must prepare themselves to support many of former President Clinton’s former staff members; must stay silent as thousands of troops are transferred from one combat zone to another (from Iraq to Afghanistan). And, all being led by that great “man of words;” a person who has no previous experience in any executive position.
In his “The People, Yes,” Carl Sandburg wrote: “The liar in print who first lies to you about your health and then lies about what will fix it, the scare liar who hopes his lies will scare you into buying what he is lying about. The better-than-all-others liar, the easy- payment liar, the greatest-on-earth liar, the get-rich-quick liar befouling words and mutilating language and feeding rubbish and filth to the human mind for the sake of sales [winning elections], selling whatever can be sold for a profit [getting elected]-”
Posted by: Percy Brazier | December 24, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
I’m shocked, barrack is not squeaky clean?
Too funny to see all of barracks apologists scrambled to help justify his position. Very impressed at their imagination.
Posted by: USA-No1 | December 24, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Obama did nothing wrong….stop it ABC…I’m getting so tired of the negativity…Obama won, he will become President and where were you when Bush had us into an unwarranted war, said the economy was structurely sound, and ignored Katrina….He and his administration ruined this country!!!!!
God help us all.
Posted by: Barb
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Yeah, obama never do anything wrong, he is the messiah. Negativity is bad unless it’s directed towards the Republican. obama con us fair and square so he’ll be the new president. President Bush should left saddam alone, he’s just a harmless dictator. So what if he commit genocide by using WMD, none of the American was killed. And violating the UN resolutions, it’s just an misunderstanding that all. saddam got a good thing going in Iraq and Bush just had to go ruined it. The economy has its up and down, people have to take responsibility for their own greed and actions. President Bush order all government agency not to help with Katrina disaster and any who would will be shot. Bush main objective is to ruin our country and he created hurricane Katrina to ruin NO. Thank god obama won, now I don’t have to worry about paying my bills or anything because he’ll take care of all of that for me.
Posted by: USA-No1 | December 24, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
“I’m shocked, barrack is not squeaky clean?
Too funny to see all of barracks apologists scrambled to help justify his position. Very impressed at their imagination.”
Actually, considering there are not only no charges, but no accusations by anybody at the FBI or at Justice, it is clearly you who has the imagination.
Posted by: Silky | December 24, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
It’s about time the de facto people that call them selfs Americans get what’s comeing to them for what they did to America
Posted by: craig | December 24, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Silky, barrack thanks you. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: USA-No1 | December 24, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
I hope you are being facetious. Otherwise, you are in for a very rude awakening, my dear. Why should people who work hard support your lazy butt?
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ellsbells930,
This is the way it is in most countries – the ruling elite with Ivy league law degrees (or equivalent) should have governance jobs (politics, social program leadership) that are equivalent with the highest paying corporate jobs. That way, we will look out for the little people and ensure balance.
Traditionally, America has been way too capitalistic – this has made us the laughing stock of progressive/socialist countries like France and Sweden. I think France has it right – significant oversight on industry with very good social programs.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 24, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Guys, come on! I believe the President Elect Obama when he tells the media that the decision to fill his senate seat is the governor’s decision; not his. But that wouldn’t stop Obama from “off the record” commenting on his preferences. Naturally, the subject would have come up.
Further, there is no evidence he used any influence to fill the seat with his preferences. Really, guys! You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Posted by: Jacqueline L. Banks | December 24, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Wow, the first of many scandles of the BHO administration and he’s not even president yet. I for one am shocked.
Ron Paul 2012
Posted by: bikejb | December 24, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Although it may be true that Obama did nothing illegal, that doesn’t mean he did nothing wrong. Any suggestion to the governor about who should fill his vacant senate seat is horribly unethical – as Obama is now the president-elect. The person who replaces him should be someone who can critically analyze any of Obama’s plans, appointments or bills – that’s the job of a senator – to keep checks on the president. Obama clearly wants an ally in that vacant seat – someone who will support him – that’s the criteria Obama was looking at for his replacement. That bothers me! Obama should be thinking of the best interest of the country, not the best interest of his agenda.
Posted by: Thyme Again | December 24, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
by: bropous – You should read what you have posted. And next time read before you post. The most disgusting somach hurling post I have read all day.
So to the point this post:
>>>True enough, according to the report. But doesn’t this leave a bit of a different impression of Obama’s role in all of this than turns out to be the case? Could it be that Obama wasn’t above playing a bit of — gasp! — politics?<<>>Obama: “This is the governor’s decision. It is not my decision. And I think that the criteria that I would have for my successor would be the same criteria that I’d have if I were a voter: somebody who is capable, somebody who is passionate about helping working families in Illinois meet their — meet their dreams. And I think there are going to be a lot of good choices out there. But it is the governor’s decision to make, not mine.”<<< Well I guess you have to find a way to make up some kind of controversy. Look at your closing line. Even that indicates that the article was trying to see where it goes. And for those buffoons who are still raging about his birth, oh! Do you believe that McCain, Palin, the Fox loons, the US governmet, FEDS, CIA, FBI, DHS, USCIS and nearly 70 million US voters, are all wrong and have executed the greatest deception and cover up in history in order to elect Obama to the Presidency of the United States of America? Well, they did, you should just accept and support it. They must have thought that Republicans,W, had screwed up so badly, that they would do anything possible to ensure that another dunce uneducated Republican did not get the chance to completely destroy what we have left to rebuild, restore and maintain. It is the conspiracy that more than 80% of the rest of the world believe was worth it. It is people like you who will ensure that Obama has a more difficult time bring back what has been lost. We need the help and support of the whole country. Not complaining about the nearly 1 trillion he plans to spend in this USA to help rebuild it. Where were you when W ensure that we spend and lose nearly 3 trillion on a baseless war to destroy lives in Iraq? It is better that the plan of McCain to bomb Iran and further destabilize the Middle East. It is good that Obama gives an indication of the educated qualified people to help lead this nation back to life. You should get one.
Posted by: kdeeone | December 24, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
for those of you who think socialism is the right answer, beware what you wish for…
Posted by: jer | December 24, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
The problem with chronic liars is that they will lie even when the truth is less incriminating. And, by the way, David Axelrod spoke with absolute certainity when he said Obama did discuss the senate seat with Blago. Of course, that was 2 weeks before Blago was arrested. Evidently, David Axelrod is no longer a reliable source for Obama. I hope Pat Fitzgerald lives up to his reputation and reveals the REAL Obama!
Posted by: amcynpatriot | December 24, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
You Bush haters can kiss my f*cking ass. I’d love to take you out in the parking lot and give you few knees to the face. After I was done, I would escort you to the border and kick you in the ass so hard that your grandfather could feel it. I just dare one of you to take me on. You guys have had this coming for a long time.
Posted by: gdf | December 24, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Thyme Again – “Any suggestion to the governor about who should fill his vacant senate seat is horribly unethical – as Obama is now the president-elect.” How is suggesting or providing a list of candidates unethical? The illegal and unethical test is whether you as an official personally benefit from an action. In any vacated elected office that I’ve ever seen, it is not unusual for officials to prefer candidates (usually those with shared objectives). If your standard were applied, no official could ever recommend or state their preferences. This would be total nonsense and would undermine free speech. The key, again, is whether one uses position and power to extract some personal gain. That would be illegal and unethical.
Posted by: 63tango | December 24, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
gdf said: “You Bush haters can kiss my f*cking ass. I’d love to take you out in the parking lot and give you few knees to the face. After I was done, I would escort you to the border and kick you in the ass so hard that your grandfather could feel it. I just dare one of you to take me on. You guys have had this coming for a long time.”
Ooooh, tough talk indeed, in an anonymous forum with people from around the world on it. What a douche!
Posted by: SearamblerOne | December 24, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
It is unethical because the job of a senator is to think critically about the president’s agenda. Obama wants an ally in that spot who will not think critically but will support him. Obama did nothing illegal, but it is unethical of him to make suggestions about his replacement when his goal is to fill the senate with supporters. As a taxpayer and a voter, I expect my president to follow a higher moral code and am shocked that people aren’t more outraged that Obama would even suggest (off the record in a conversation that was intended to be passed along to the governor)that his senate seat be filled with an ally.
Posted by: Thyme Again | December 24, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
Again a misleading headline. “After All” sends the message that Obama wasn’t actually interested until now. In fact he always was. The headline should actually read “All Along”.
Posted by: Publius | December 24, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
TO BAD WE CAN’T SEND ARE DOFACTO GOVERMENT TO IROCK TO STAY
Posted by: craig | December 24, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Thyme Again- Which code of ethics was violated? Explain how does making a suggestion of possible choices for a position constitutes unethical conduct.
gdf- http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/mental-retardation/overview.html
Mental retardation is a condition diagnosed before age 18 that includes below-average general intellectual function, and a lack of the skills necessary for daily living.
Treatment
The primary goal of treatment is to develop the person’s potential to the fullest. Special education and training may begin as early as infancy. This includes social skills to help the person function as normally as possible.
It is important for a specialist to evaluate the person for other affective disorders and treat those disorders. Behavioral approaches are important for people with mental retardation.
And PLEASE. The rest of the forum, if you could not reply/respond to that post by gdf, it will die right where it started.
Posted by: kdeeone | December 24, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
What your are assuming is that a senator who filled his seat and was an ally would not think critically and would always vote in lock step. There are numerous instances in our history where an official was supported for an office but did not follow the pattern you suggest. In fact, the Supreme Court is a prime example of this. It is not unethical for elected officials to have preferences. Examples where it would be unethical are the use of power to 1) blackmail someone into naming a preference 2) require a personal favor in return for naming someone or 3) require that candidates be selected or excluded base on race, religion etc. The goal of having a seat filled with someone who supports your philosophy or goals is not unethical as long as you do leave the choice to the person making the appointment and do not demand or offer something personal in return. Your outrage is overstated.
Posted by: 63tango | December 24, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
I don’t see a contradiction. Giving a list of 6 candidates he considered well qualified fits with his assertion that there are certain criteria he thinks the person should have. It also fits with his assertion that it’s not his decision but the governor’s, because Obama apparently made no preference among the 6 candidates.
Posted by: Lisa | December 24, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
I have a little question.
Which group overwhelmingly supported that moron Bush’s bailouts?
Posted by: The1337 | December 24, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
The1337
That would be the moron democrats Pelosi and Frank
Posted by: zeke | December 24, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Lisa – What you are saying is correct. An elected official could even prefer or recommend an unqualified person and that would not be illegal or unethical. It would fall into the category of “dumb”. The current administration is rife with political appointees who were probably unqualified. The appointments were, however, legal and ethical. When this is done, it satisfies a consituency but unfortunately does a disservice to the public. Prime Examples: Katrina & Iraq
Posted by: 63tango | December 24, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Well, I saw Obama in that photo without a shirt and now I am in full on lust and could care less. Because the press shot that so it would have that effect on me. Muhahahahaha. Whatever haters. Unless they said to this bozo Governor “Hey, we’ll pay you money or give you this to put who we want in that seat” you have no story here. This on the heels of 8 years of gosh knows what out of the WH? I sure wish you guys had cared as much during Bush. P.S. They’re all going to lie some. It goes with the job. Either that or they’re just really busy cleaning up a Bush mess and got a bit confused. Unethical? I’m sure this goes on all the time.
Posted by: NotaSpammer | December 24, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
obama is a marxist chicago thug, the end
Posted by: jimbo | December 24, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Have you guys not figured out Suzytheliberal is a full on troll yet?
Posted by: NotaSpammer | December 24, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
The number of calls and the wording indicate NEGOTIATIONS between Obama and Blago for who got to fill the seat. “Appreciation” entails something other than a Senate seat but certainly something like federal funding directed Blago’s way. Just typical corrupt Chi-town politics from whence Odummy comes from.
Posted by: chattyway | December 24, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
After Jarrett, Obama wanted Jackson Junior to take the seat…….and look was in the top running.
Posted by: chattyway | December 24, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Well, I was in Santa Cruz, CA, working for a friend. The women were getting ready for a nap. I answered the door and this scruffy College Chick asked me to donate to the “Idiot, O’bummer” I laughed at her and told her it was not my home and that I could not answer. She asked me again if I was going to vote for a bummer. I just laughed and said…”I don’t think so!” “Would you like to make a donation???????” “NO!” She left with her scruffy jeans and flip flops and her scruffy friend was across the street. Where do they buy these College People. Oh! I guess at the local College. Wow!
Why do they do that? If they dressed up and made a decent presentation….
Don’t you Think?
They look like the idiots they are and they will pay for it.
I laughed!
Mark
Posted by: Mark Hillyard | December 24, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
obama is a marxist chicago thug, the end
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Thats yesterdays news that the media will never cover.
The bottom line: He is a pure Socialist who will get us more money.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 24, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
for those of you who think socialism is the right answer, beware what you wish for…
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Socialism will allow the ruling elite to obtain high wages – some of us are more equal than others. Of course, everyone has the ability to get an Ivy League or Berkeley degree and join us.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 24, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
SuzyThe Liberal,
Not sure what you said…”Of course, everyone has the ability to get an Ivy League or Berkeley degree and join us.”
What do you mean by…”join us.” Do you want me to join you as a false liberal or the true meaning of a liberal. The word Liberal has been hijacked by “stupid people”. Used to be that a liberal was a person who beleived in the Constitution of the United States of America. Now it has been hijacked by stupid Commies, and other stupid pimples. (sic)
Posted by: Mark Hillyard | December 24, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
I think that “Diggs” does’nt like me. They won’t allow me in. They say it is my password but that is not true…I just called Jimmy the Nut a Nut. Gone. I know ’cause I keep me password and all.
See if this gets through.
Mark
Posted by: Mark Hillyard | December 24, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
Rick Klein, you are despicable. Are you trying to join Limbaugh and Hannity in the bottom of the barrel? You couldn’t be more obvious with this attempt to brew slander, and spin nothing into something.
Posted by: devilkev | December 24, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
What do you mean by…”join us.” Do you want me to join you as a false liberal or the true meaning of a liberal. The word Liberal has been hijacked by “stupid people”. Used to be that a liberal was a person who beleived in the Constitution of the United States of America. Now it has been hijacked by stupid Commies, and other stupid pimples. (sic)
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Mark,
At one time, a liberal may have meant an economic liberal (capitalist) under an Adam Smith context: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_theory_of_economics
However, today “liberal” really means socialism: “Modern American liberals view massively unequal distributions of wealth and the destruction of the environment as threats to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_American_liberalism
I believe all countries have been moving toward liberals/socialism – and I am positioning myself to take advantage of this.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 24, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
Who paid how much for Obama’s seat when he took it? Hmmmmmm?
Posted by: BM | December 25, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Who paid how much for Obama’s seat when he took it? Hmmmmmm?
Posted by: BM | December 25, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Obama did not have to pay for his senate seat – he had dirt on his competition: “Obama won the Democratic Party senatorial primary after one of the leading candidates imploded in a mess of divorce papers strategically leaked by his ex-wife.
Obama then faced the Republican Party challenger, Jack Ryan, a tall, good-looking, wealthy guy who spent time teaching at inner city schools after making his fortune. Unfortunately for Ryan, he also spent time frequenting some shady bars in Paris where live sex acts were apparently part of the draw. Nor did it help that Ryan’s ex-wife alleged that he urged her to participate in said acts when they were married.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/12/28/politics/fromtheroad/entry3655798.shtml
Posted by: Joe | December 25, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
SuzyTheLiberal,
I have been reading your posts and the pieces are fitting in my mind – you and your ilk don’t really care about this country, you simply want more money in your pocket without having to work for it. This is why you and most of the Obamabots voted for “The Socialist Messiah”. He has never held a real job but promises “riches” for you.
You need to grow up, get a job, and realize that “transferring wealth” from one person to another is simply stealing.
P.S. Berkeley is a 60′s muckfest institution that is more USSR than USA.
Posted by: Tim5678 | December 25, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
Rick Klein,
You are awesome – telling the truth. Funny how many of the socialist/communist liberals on this board have a problem with the truth.
This is very refreshing given 90% of the media vote Dem and 40% are self described liberals.
Posted by: Joe | December 25, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
You need to grow up, get a job, and realize that “transferring wealth” from one person to another is simply stealing.
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Tim the Capitalist,
You need to get a clue – Socialism is here to stay. I hope you make a lot of money because you are going to get TAXED.
You probably don’t believe Global Warming is real either (in addition to SOcialism).
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 25, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am
We have to question the types of people that Obama associates with, like Rahm Emanuel and Slim Blagojevich.
Posted by: JoeForSure | December 25, 2008, 8:02 am 8:02 am
SuzyQ: “Anyone who is not a socialist at 16 has no heart, but anyone who still is at 32 has no mind” (Woodrow Wilson)
…or aims to profit in a socialist regime (as one of the oppressors with the perks).
Yes, I know you’re not what you claim, you just poke for reaction. But get it straight, are you a social worker or a lawyer? You’ve changed your fictional degree…
Posted by: Laughing Cynic | December 25, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
It seems that Blagojevich wanted Obama to announce him to some cushy job after had heard from Rahm in exchange for the senate seat. Pres Elect Obama was interested in knowing that the seat would go to someone who was competent. Upon finding this out Mr Blago got pissed ( ALL he wants to give me is his APPRECIATION?!”) and decided to sell the seat. It’s like the wwII riddle. English girls and American GI’s thought each was too fast. The GI’s would kiss the girl good night when they dropped them off at home. Normal in America but meant the person wanted to move further in English custom. The British girls took it as their custom and, well, had “coffee” with their GI dates. Which was right?
Posted by: ray | December 25, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
…or aims to profit in a socialist regime (as one of the oppressors with the perks).
Yes, I know you’re not what you claim, you just poke for reaction. But get it straight, are you a social worker or a lawyer? You’ve changed your fictional degree…
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Laughing Cynic,
If you read all of my posts you would know that (a) I have a psych degree [under grad] and (b) and working on a law degree. I beleive this model – ending up with a law degree – is the right model. Obama did it and look where he is.
Regarding jobs, my plan is to do a “community” type job for about 2 years – community organize, Project Vote – and then I will have the street cred to get into politics or run a social foundation with a lucrative salary.
Your comment regarding socialism is naive, socialism provides an opportunity for many of us to gain significant wealth without having to stoop to a “dirty” job – run a company, factory or engineering firm. I will be working 35 hours a week and will have significant revenue.
I forgot to tell you that my parents, both Berkeley Profs, have set aside a lot of money for me – I plan to fall back on this if my career doesn’t fully pan out.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 25, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
SuzyTheLiberal, most of your post reminds me of my own daughter when she was younger. No matter what we tried to teach her, she already knows everything. Full of ideas and good intention but very naive about the real world that we’re living in; and her college professors didn’t do her any favor either. She joined the Navy as a JAG after grad school. After 4 years of duty in almost every part of the globe, we noticed a gradual change in her when she visited us on leave. Last year, she changed her party affiliation to Republican.
I wished you well. Experience is the best form of teaching, no words right now will get you to understand.
Posted by: USA-No1 | December 25, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Its interesting to see, only now, Obama actions which indicate that he is nothing more than a shrewd (crooked?) politician. During the election, he had no record, so many critical thinking folks, felt that the only thing that he could be evaluated on were his associations which suggested to critical thinkers what we are seeing now. A politician who offers no change other than perhaps being more skilled in Chicago-isms but disguised with suave.
Now that the real Obama is being slowly revealed to the public, I wonder if the Supreme Court might be less afraid to hear and rule on the substance of the Presidential eligibility issues that seem to all have been rejected without ruling on the merits.
I mostly doubt it, but the questions raised are so simple that, instead of closing down the conspiracy theories, they keep them alive. Many constitutionalists think the Supreme Court should answer:
a) Please tell us why the Founders didn’t mean “Natural Born” as anything other than born on U.S soil with no other allegiances (like U.K.-Kenya citizen father or born in Panama), which would toss both McCain and Obama out as ineligible. The founders didn’t define it because it was common usage that that is what it meant. This should be ripe for the Court to decide on. Heck they could even make law from the bench and say it is an evolving standard.
b. Why shouldn’t a candidate asking for the privilege of being the U.S. President, not have to provide unquestioned proof of eligibility in regards to U.S. birth and citizenship changes thereafter?
Posted by: Garacka | December 25, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
He and his black victim wife are disgusting bottom feeding niggers…does that help explain anything? He’s not my president….never will be.
Posted by: david | December 25, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Obama is a liar!!! no contact….hum …..just alittle contact….oh boy…… what a transparent office????? I wish I never voted for Obama!!
Posted by: larry | December 25, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Man, If this represent .0005% of America, I will just start praying for my grandchildren and my oldest is still a teen. 250yrs and we as a people resort to hate, which gets us where? 2009 and at this rate we will lose the no.1 position to a country who believe that “as one” no one will defeat us!!!!! While that is happening, “we will be still sitting here arguing (debating) about 1940′s politics, racism, and who made America the way it is NOW!!!
Posted by: john | December 25, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Obama is surrounded by slime balls. Instead the media focus on how skinny he is. Of course he is skinny people, he is a crack head cigg smoking skinny dude.
I hope we survie the next 4 years.
Posted by: jon | December 25, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
Rick Klien, your journalistic insinuations are childish and disgusting. What person would not be curious about his or successor? To suggest that this is a crime is unimaginable. I mean, if you were passing a baton to someone else, wouldn’t be concerned if the person will sucessfully finish the race? Get a life!
Posted by: what667 | December 26, 2008, 7:32 am 7:32 am
Barry is a lying sleaze and if the media would lift their blanket of protection from around him he would be exposed for what he is… a traitor, anti-American, racist, corrupt politician.
Given barry’s phenomenal judgment of character in the past, I am sure he assumed blago was as honest as Abe Lincoln or he knew he was a dirt bag and tried to use it to his advantage.
Posted by: dave | December 26, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am
thanks! suzytheliberal You are not a liberal or you are so stupid you don’t know you’re helping the rightwing.
Posted by: chaos | December 26, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
thanks! suzytheliberal You are not a liberal or you are so stupid you don’t know you’re helping the rightwing.
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Chaos,
I am a true liberal and am not helping the neocons. Most of the Obama supporters voted for him because he will transfer more wealth to them or they will gain from the transfer of power. 40% of Americans don’t pay any income taxes and 20% are ruling elite who don’t mind paying more – this is the approximate 60% who voted for Obama.
We need to educate America on the above facts (socialism was chosen) and ensure all children are properly indoctrinated.
There will be a scramble to move into the ruling class – I am pretty close and I am only 22.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 26, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Full of ideas and good intention but very naive about the real world that we’re living in; and her college professors didn’t do her any favor either.
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USA-No1,
I know you are well intended, however, there are several differences you should know:
a) The Socialist movement – particularly at the University level – is well thought out and sound. Here is a sampling of their platform: http://www.campusactivism.org/displaygroups-171.htm
b) Socialism will ensure equal outcome – guaranteed survival and reduced greed: “Free food for everyone? You may argue that people will start to hoard food supplies, but the truth is, no. People are greedy because of their survival instincts, and therefore it is conditional. When survival is garanteed, people will become tolerant and not greedy, for all you religious people, isn’t greed one of the deadliest sins?” http://www.socyberty.com/Politics/Socialism-Vs-Capitalism.54114
c) Many times, socialism has not been implemented right. Obama, however, has the background and reults to make this happen: ““The Democratic National Convention had all the elements of the perfectly organized event, Saul Alinsky style, the Communist guru’s son wrote in a letter published yesterday in the Boston Globe… Barack Obama’s training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness,” Alinsky Jr. wrote to the Globe.” http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4784
Bottom line: Socialism may not have been ready for prime time when your daughter was growing up (and she unfortunately went into the military). Today, however, it is ready – and we need to be positioned to take advantage of it.
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | December 26, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
PEBO lies with ease! How else do you think this nobody from the Chicago political cesspool climbed the palm-greasing ladder? :(
Blago is a good fellow in comparison!
Posted by: aware2u | December 26, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Gosh, there have been so many different versions of what happend by Obama that I don’t think he Himself knows how many times he and Rahmbo or his other staff contacted Blagojevich.
I remember back in 2002 Barack was being interviewed and when asked if he would support Blago he said:
“I will support Hot Rod 100% and he will be elected with my help!”….Yup, always the politician.
Rev. Wright was not wrong when he said this summer:
“Obama is just like any other politician. He’ll say anything, do anything to get what he wants…”
And sexist Jon Favreau gets promoted by geek Commander in Chief to be….to the post of Director of Speechwriters…Yup, a real Change for Washington, eh? What a farce! This is Bush-lite, at best! Amen to to Rickie Warren. I say bring back Uncle Jeremiah!
Posted by: Mary | December 27, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am
Obama is the most slippery politician in good ole Washington.
The more he utters “change”, the less you will see. Unless you count bashing women’s rights and gay rights a real change…Shame on Barry Obama!
But i never went to exclusive Prep shcools in Hawaii paid by typical white Bank Vice President Grandma–whom I threw under the bus with my pastor!
Posted by: pat | December 27, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am
The “Chicago Way” – For all you gullible “change we can beleive in” nuts, you are now starting to figure out who you voted for – a Socialist who rose in dirty Chicago politics through radical connections and funding.
Just look a Rezko – he bankrolled both Blago and Obama (in addition to financing Obama’s property).
The sad thing, most Obama supporters really know the above, they simply voted for him for financial gain (socialism will put more money in their pocket).
Posted by: Joe | December 27, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
The following is short and sweet. I wrote it and sent it to my senators and my representative, as well as every Republican senator. Please feel free to adapt it to your own preferences.
Dear (Name of Senator or Representative):
As of today, December 27, 2008, no legal authority in the United States has publicly stated that Barack Obama meets the constitutional requirement of being a natural born citizen.
Many Americans will not accept that a man will be inaugurated as president who has not been shown to meet the constitutional requirements for that office.
I expect you, as a defender of truth and decency, to take action on January 8, 2009 to establish once and for all whether Barack Obama is legally qualified to be president.
Sincerely,
Posted by: tanarg | December 27, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
“Celebrity in Chief” Obama off to a smashing start with his liberal limousine crowd from Hollywood to Manhatten.
Gotta love the gullible middle class fools that voted for him.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/27/hollywood-stars-high-tech-titans-pitch-obama-inauguration/
Posted by: Joe | December 28, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am
“Gotta love the gullible middle class fools that voted for him.”
Gotta love the special brain-damaged lemmings on the right who actually think they know what’s what in the world. It’s cute. I admire the gusto. But the whole voting against your own self-interest simply out of spite is bizarre. Oh wait…Hannity and Rush don’t tell you that part, do they? Then again, they’re actually PART of the elite wealthy who are impacted by that nasty 4% increase in income tax. You? Not so much.
Posted by: Silky | December 29, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
“The following is short and sweet. I wrote it and sent it to my senators and my representative, as well as every Republican senator. Please feel free to adapt it to your own preferences.”
Posted by: tanarg | Dec 27, 2008 8:11:52 PM
TRUST ME; virtually everyone you sent this “memo from the farm” to, and certainly ‘most who read it’ probably think “You’re eligible to be admitted.”
Posted by: bobj72 | December 29, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
“Obama is the most slippery politician in good ole Washington.” …..
Posted by: pat | Dec 27, 2008 1:11:05 AM
Turn away from the trough and ponder ‘getting a life!’
Posted by: bobj72 | December 29, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Your say; “I am a true liberal and am not helping the neocons…………”
“There will be a scramble to move into the ruling class – I am pretty close and I am only 22.”
Posted by: SuzyTheLiberal | Dec 26, 2008 2:53:16 PM
Suzy, you’re a Fraud! Is this the “New Radical Feminist Rhetoric?” OBTW, ‘you’re full of it!’ The
Intelligent “Moderate Middle” was responsible for the election of President Elect Barack Obama! (Not the ‘Hack Leftie Libs.’)
Posted by: bobj72 | December 29, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
That has got to be the dumbest story yet. (lol) Is Obama so clean that you have to come up with THIS kind of nonsense. Sheesh….
Posted by: Dems | December 31, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am
I did not make the comment above.
Posted by: Elaine Broskie | May 7, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am