The Note, 12/19/08: Blago, Bluster, and Breathers
EmailBY RICK KLEIN Is it coincidence that we get 2,922 pages of documents maybe a year after they would have really been interesting, but that we have to wait until everyone’s on vacation to get the document we really care about (one that’s maybe 2,920 pages shorter)? While we’re deciding whether we’d rather click through those Clinton Foundation donor lists . . . or watch ballots get counted in Minnesota (could Al Franken actually win this thing?) . . . or wait for Detroit to be saved . . . or tune in to the fifth press conference in as many days featuring a President-elect who’s getting good at saying not all that much . . . recall that this is the last time we’re going to see him for a while. The rhythm of the transition is about to change. Hawaii looms — and so does that Blago report — at a time where President-elect Barack Obama’s campaign instincts are rubbing up against the ones he’ll need to govern. (The Rick Warren fight is one they may not hate, but did Team Obama expect the vitriol?) A last burst of picks will be announced Friday by Obama at 2:15 pm ET, then he’ll take a few questions . . . you know the drill by now. (Apparently, all it took was four press conferences — plus this flare-up on the left — to ensure no more questions about Gov. Rod Blagojevich, D-Ill.) With that his team will be in place, the nation will be humming holiday tunes, and all we can do is wait for a report that promises to be not quite enough. Your trio for Friday: Rep. Hilda Solis, D-Calif., as Labor secretary; former Dallas mayor Ron Kirk as U.S. trade representative; and Rep. Ray LaHood, R-Ill., for Transportation. “With his selection of Solis, a liberal member of Congress, the president-elect appears to be moving toward his goal of promoting ‘green-collar jobs’ — those that help promote more energy efficiency, through projects such as retrofitting, something Solis has prioritized during her tenure in Congress,” Anne Kornblut writes in The Washington Post. Choosing Solis a bow to the party’s “resurgent left,” per ABC’s Teddy Davis. “With his choices of a labor secretary and a trade representative, Mr. Obama appears to have sought to appeal to each side in the battle over free trade. Ms. Solis, a longtime labor advocate who is of Central American heritage, has been skeptical about free-trade agreements, while Mr. Kirk, a lawyer with a political bent, comes from the Texas establishment and has spoken out in favor of the North American Free Trade Agreement,” The New York Times’ Helene Cooper and Steven Greenhouse report. The last big job: “Democratic sources tell ABC News that Barack Obama will appoint retired Navy Adm. Dennis Blair to be the nation’s top intelligence official, replacing Michael McConnell as the director of National Intelligence,” ABC’s Jonathan Karl reports. The team’s all here: “The president-elect is giving the country two administrations for the price of one,” Gerald Seib writes in his Wall Street Journal column. “The first, composed of Mr. Obama’s initial wave of high-profile appointees, is full of familiar Washington veterans. This is the team that pleased moderates and even some Republicans, reassured financial markets — and made the party’s liberals complain about ‘retreads’ and wonder what all that change rhetoric was about. The second wave of appointments, most coming in the past week or so, is composed of lesser-known names, new faces and, all told, the kind of folks who look like the fabled ‘agents of change’ promised in the campaign.” And the communications team gets to deal with a real-life battle on the left flank. (Is it possible that they don’t mind a break from Blago? That there are worse things for a president who wants to govern from the center than being attacked by the left?) “President-elect Barack Obama is associating himself with one of the most popular religious figures in the nation, reaching out to conservative America and proving he’s willing to take some flak from the liberal flank of his party,” Laura Meckler and Suzanne Sataline write in The Wall Street Journal. “It will be yet another high-profile moment for Mr. Warren, an evangelical leader who opposes abortion and gay marriage but has worked to broaden the Christian agenda to include issues of poverty, AIDS and the environment.” But this is more than just a little bluster. A still-peeved Joe Solmonese, of Human Rights Campaign, takes to The Washington Post op-ed page Friday: “It is difficult to comprehend how our president-elect, who has been so spot on in nearly every political move and gesture, could fail to grasp the symbolism of inviting an anti-gay theologian to deliver his inaugural invocation. And the Obama campaign’s response to the anger about this decision? Hey, we’re also bringing a gay marching band. You know how the gays love a parade.” “Are we angry about Rick Warren? You bet we are. And including a gay marching band in the inaugural festivities doesn’t heal this wound. It only serves to make us question the promises that Barack Obama made in his historic quest to be president. We pray we weren’t misled,” Solmonese writes. Per the AP: “The leader of California’s largest gay rights group says he will skip Barack Obama’s inauguration ceremony to protest the participation of the Rev. Rick Warren, who supported a gay marriage ban here. . . . Equality California Executive Director Geoffrey Kors says the choice is ‘extremely disappointing and hurtful’ given Warren’s support for Proposition 8, the California ballot initiative that outlawed gay marriage.” San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, to the San Francisco Chronicle: “The gay community has every right to be upset . . . I hope people appreciate that Rick Warren was not just indirectly involved but very involved in taking people’s rights away. I’m disappointed, but I understand the decision.” Wow: “Gays and lesbians are angry that Barack Obama has honored Warren, but they shouldn’t be surprised. Obama has proven himself repeatedly to be a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot,” John Cloud writes for Time. From Rick Warren’s statement: “I commend President-elect Obama for his courage to willingly take enormous heat from his base by inviting someone like me, with whom he doesn’t agree on every issue, to offer the Invocation at his historic Inaugural ceremony.” National Review’s Byron York: “Why are gay groups so angry, knowing that Obama opposes gay marriage? In the end, it seems that the reason for the anger is that, no matter what Obama says, a number of gay activists appear to believe the president-elect is, deep down, with them on the issue.” You don’t have to look beyond the message boards of Change.gov to see the anger: “For online political operatives and observers this is a prime example of the truism that the medium can quickly flip from being an asset to a liability (which is a good thing from the perspective of citizen empowerment but often a headache for elected officials, campaigns and organizations),” Peter Daou writes at Huffington Post. Your new Blago drumbeat? The Chicago Tribune editorial page: “If Obama doesn’t want to comment yet on the discussions his aides had with the governor’s office, so be it. He plans to release a report about those discussions next week. But we’d like to hear Obama say one thing loud and clear right now: The best thing for Illinois citizens would be to hold a special election to fill his Senate seat.” The Washington Post editorial page: “Mr. Blagojevich’s alleged actions show in vivid detail the danger of putting that power [of appointment to the Senate] in the hands of one person. The decision on who should represent the people of Illinois should rest in their hands.” As we wait to hear from Blagojevich himself, we’ll wait for resolution for what could be a while: “Illinois lawmakers could be forced to build their impeachment case against Gov. Rod Blagojevich on a raft of relatively small grievances, rather than the blockbuster Senate-seat-for-sale allegations, for fear of undermining federal prosecutors’ criminal investigation,” per the AP’s Christopher Wills. Does Rahm Emanuel come out of this damaged? “His refusal to comment may be coming from sound legal advice, and a request from the US attorney’s office, but it doesn’t fit the profile of a man who’s totally confident that he is in the clear,” per ABC News. Mishandled from the start? “Vagueness provokes distrust, which is only intensified by brusque responses to reporters’ inquiries. Innocent fumbles create an appearance of dishonesty or concealment, even when there is none — and inevitably, political opponents distort that false appearance even further to their own advantage,” Slate’s Joe Conason writes. As for those documents from the Clinton Foundation — 12 months late and by no means too short. “The world opened its wallet for Bill Clinton,” write the AP’s Beth Fouhy and Sharon Theimer. “Former President Bill Clinton has collected tens of millions of dollars for his foundation over the last 10 years from governments in the Middle East, tycoons from Canada, India, Nigeria and Ukraine, and other international figures with interests in American foreign policy,” Peter Baker and Charlie Savage write in The New York Times. “With his wife now poised to take over as America’s top diplomat, Mr. Clinton’s fund-raising is coming under new scrutiny for relationships that could pose potential conflict-of-interest issues for Mrs. Clinton in her job. Some of her husband’s biggest backers have much at stake in the policies that President-elect Barack Obama’s incoming administration adopts toward their regions or business ventures.” “Bill Clinton’s disclosure that his foundation collected at least $41 million from foreign nations such as Saudi Arabia may complicate Hillary Clinton’s ability to serve as the U.S.’s top diplomat,” Bloomberg’s Timothy J. Burger and Kristin Jensen report. “All told, the foundation has raised more than $500 million from about 200,000 donors, including a number of groups with ties to foreign leaders or royalty.” More complications: “Former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation has taken in more than $140 million in the past decade from foreign sources, including the Saudi royal family and leaders of a Middle Eastern government now negotiating a controversial deal with the U.S. government to procure nuclear-energy technologies,” The Wall Street Journal’s Susan Schmidt, Margaret Coker and Jay Solomon report. And: “Canadian investor Victor Dahdaleh, facing a U.S. federal probe of allegations that he helped Alcoa Inc. defraud a Bahrain government-controlled metals company, is among donors who gave as much as $5 million to former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation,” Bloomberg’s Jeff Bliss reports. (Birthday wishes Friday to one of the classiest women in Washington — Ann Lewis.) Is Friday auto bailout day? “White House officials said they were close to providing federal help for the domestic auto makers, with an announcement possible as early as Friday,” per The Wall Street Journal. “As the companies worked to stay afloat, their fates also appeared to be increasingly tied to their weakened financing arms.” ABC’s Jonathan Karl reports that the White House is poised to announce a plan to help GM and Chrysler stay in business, with an announcement possible as early as Friday: “Under the plan . . . Chrysler and GM will get low-interest loans, enabling them to stay afloat into the new year. The White House has been talking to the incoming Obama Administration on this, and I am told the Obama team has no objections to the plan. The loans come with strings attached. The auto makers will need to restructure getting tough concessions from creditors, suppliers and the labor union. The key phrase from the White House will be ‘viability.’ “ More from the president’s interview with Real Clear Politics: “I am the very last President not to really have to worry about YouTube” while campaigning for the White House,” President Bush said. (Can you imagine?) In Minnesota — wild stuff: “Democrat Al Franken picked up several hundred votes at Thursday’s state Canvassing Board meeting, all but erasing the narrow unofficial lead that Republican Sen. Norm Coleman has maintained for weeks. The DFLer seemed poised to move ahead today, at least temporarily, as the board rules on more challenged ballots,” Kevin Duchschere writes in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. “Franken also appeared ready to beat back another challenge, as board members appeared skeptical about the Coleman team’s proposal for preventing ballots from being counted twice. Talking about instances when a ballot couldn’t be run through a voting machine, requiring a duplicate to be made, the Coleman campaign said the ballot should be counted only if an original could be matched with its copy,” Duchschere writes. Caroline’s quest: “Sitting at the same table at Sylvia’s restaurant where [Al] Sharpton sat with Obama months ago, the two dined on chicken and collard greens. Sharpton voiced his support for the famously private Kennedy who is seeking to replace the U.S. Senate seat left vacant by Hillary Clinton. Kennedy took questions from reporters, saying that this is ‘not a time to sit out,’ ” ABC’s Eloise Harper and Kate Snow report. “I come at this as a mother, as a lawyer, as an author, as an education advocate from a family that’s spent years in public office and I feel this commitment,” Kennedy said. “I have quite a bit to learn but I feel like I have a lot to offer as well.” Didn’t Dick Cheney do the same? “City Board of Elections records show Kennedy has failed to vote in many elections since she registered in the city in 1988 — including votes for the Senate seat she hopes to fill and numerous Democratic faceoffs for mayor,” The New York Daily News Erin Einhorn and David Saltonstall report. “Records show Kennedy did not pull the lever for any of her fellow Democrats in city primary races for mayor in 1989, 1993 and 1997 and 2005, which Republicans went on to win three out of four times in the general election.” Byline Bob Woodward: “W. Mark Felt Sr., the associate director of the FBI during the Watergate scandal who, better known as ‘Deep Throat,’ became the most famous anonymous source in American history, died yesterday. He was 95,” Woodward and Patricia Sullivan write in The Washington Post obit. “As the second-highest official in the FBI under longtime director J. Edgar Hoover and interim director L. Patrick Gray, Felt detested the Nixon administration’s attempt to subvert the bureau’s investigation into the complex of crimes and coverups known as the Watergate scandal that ultimately led to the resignation of President Richard M. Nixon.” “He secretly guided Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward as he and his colleague Carl Bernstein pursued the story of the 1972 break-in of the Democratic National Committee’s headquarters at the Watergate office buildings and later revelations of the Nixon administration’s campaign of spying and sabotage against its perceived political enemies.” Coming Sunday: George Stephanopoulos interviews with Vice-president-elect Joe Biden, in his first sit-down since the election, on ABC’s “This Week.” The Kicker: “As a wife, I saw this as an assault, and that’s what it was.” — First Lady Laura Bush, on the shoe-throwing incident, to USA Today. “It was not I and it is not I.” — W. Mark Felt Sr., in 1974. (It was.) Bookmark the link below to get The Note’s daily morning analysis:
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First, everyone relax, the Rick Warren thing is small potatoes. Looking back, I couldn’t tell you who did the invocation at any inaugural in the last 50 years without looking it up. As a matter of fact, the only things outside of the inaugural addresses that I can recall without prompting are Robert Frost at JFK’s inaugural and Maya Angelo at Clinton’s.
Second, Caroline Kennedy is smart, politcally saavy, has interests in and has worked for educational improvement, and has written books (or a book anyway) on constitutional issues. Why are people saying she’s unqualified– just because she has never run for or been elected to any previous office? Since when is previously running for or holding another office a necessary qualification for Senate? The Constitution requires that a person be 30 years old and that he or she be a a citizen of the United States for 9 years, and that he or she must reside in the state he or she represents at the time of election. Caroline Kennedy meets all those requirements. She is 51 years old, she has been a US citizen all her life, she has lived in New York for most of her life.
Posted by: Katherine | December 19, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Katherine—wow, i wish i had written that. i agree with you entirely. Rev Warren issue is not seeing the woods for the trees.
Kennedy will make an excellect senator.
Posted by: Paul Wall | December 19, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
SHE NEVER HELD A JOB IN HER WHOLE LIFE IM FROM MASS TIME FOR KENNEDYS JUST TO GO THEY HAVENT DONE ONE THING FOR ME OR MY FAMILY AND PERSONALLY TO MANY OTHER DEDICATED PEOPLE WHO WORKED THEIR WHOLE LIVES TO BECOME SENATOR OF NEW YORK.
Posted by: natale from mass. | December 19, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
AMEN TO THAT
Posted by: BSKI | December 19, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
I notice the media is perturbed that they don’t get the informatiom they want NOW. Don’t they have the time to look for other news????
Posted by: BSKI | December 19, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Katherine, I too completely agree with you. Well said. I don’t know why everything today has to be BIG news. It is debated and discussed and did I mention, discussed, over and over again. So much that it is exhausting.
I actually yearn for a simpler time, when news was read or on the telly just for one hour a day. Oh, and for telephone service that requires a real person answering! LOL
Posted by: scentsofroses | December 19, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
What have the Bushes do for me lately??
Oh yes, I don’t have a job. The foreclosures are going up. the natoinal debt at 10 trillion. the conflict is ended, we don’t torture, and best of all
SO WHAT
Posted by: BSKI | December 19, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Are we living in germany 1935 where the media not only cheers for a political party/figure, but actually covers up its corrupt actions? Can anyone please imagine if this had been a republican and his cabinet swimming in all of this mud?
Posted by: keepthechange | December 19, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Caroline has more qualifications then Palin and look at what she ran for
Posted by: BSKI | December 19, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
BSKI
-Get off your computer and go get a job.
-Bush had nothing to do with the liberals shoving entitlements down everyone’s throats under the guise of “affordable housing”. They forced banks to make bad loans to people who could never pay them back, if the banks refused, people like barry O sued them for discrimination.
-dropping water down the noses of terrorists is not torture.
Posted by: keepthechange | December 19, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Hey, keepthechange, I remember a time much more recently than that. Just about seven years ago. Where we were told only what they thought we needed to know. And it was unamerican to question our President! People made the news for wearing inappropriate clothing, that refered to politics, to the Mall! I have never been more afraid for my country in the last 40 years!!!!
Posted by: scentsofroses | December 19, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
I don’t feel the choice of Rev. Warren is “small potatoes” or “not seeing the forest for the trees.” It’s true he’s held in great esteem by many, many Americans, but he holds beliefs about a far greater number of Americans which are bigoted and discriminatory. The mention by another poster of the beautiful participations by Robert Frost and Maya Angelou makes the introduction of such prejudice all the more sad to me as an American.
Posted by: tiredgirlie | December 19, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
scentsofconspiracy
Clinton said exactly what bush said-”saddam has WMD’s and is trying to acquire more”. He was just too busy playing hide the cigar to do anything about it. The international community of weapons inspectors were convinced he had WMD’s.
We found mustard gas and the dead bodies of 700,000 of saddam’s victims, where he had used chemical weapon’s against his own people.
Why is mass murdering okay to liberals? Why do you people think sending olive branches and hugs will ever solve anything?
Posted by: keepthechange | December 19, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
I support President-elect Obama pick of Warren. I am not an advocate of Warren but I do believe that a marriage is between a MAN and WOMAN!!!!!
CASE CLOSED!!!
Posted by: sisterdearest09 | December 19, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Some are opposing Dennis Blair as National Director of Intelligence because of his role in the East Timor crisis of 1999. He undermined the Clinton administration’s belated efforts to support human rights and self-determination in the Indonesian-occupied territory and opposed congressional efforts to limit military assistance. In fact, he downplayed human rights concerns and essentially gave a go ahead to the Indonesian military to violate human rights. see http://www.etan.org fo more info
Posted by: John | December 19, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
when will the crazed news media realize that the american people dont care about the things they are obsessing over? we are concerned with jobs, jobs, jobs, healthcare iraq, climate change. things that matter. they are writing about scandal because thats all their tiny minds can handle. scandal and innuendo did not setroy reagan, clinton or gw, and it will not destroy prez-elect. todays journalist have to be the dumbest people on the planet.
Posted by: mary anderson | December 19, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
And where were the repuglicans during the housing crisis? Oh, stuffing their own pockets. Isn’t that the American way? In the last years we were introduced with a new slang term, MCMANSIONS. They went up in older, poorer neighborhoods. They raised the property taxes in the older poorer neighborhoods.
Oh, the water thing, Do you remember what the Japanese did during WWII?
And I wasn’t refering to the WMD’s seven years ago. But I am glad you found it important enough to mention it. There was that little something also. I was refering to just about anything that came out of our admistration. It didn’t matter what B$ we were being told. We had to swallow and some of us gag on all of the B$. Just because his popularity was an all time high. He could do NO WRONG. It didn’t take long for him to ruin his own reputation and his free ticket to do anything to come out.
I knew it wouldn’t take long. A wolf has to come out of his sheep’s costume when the temperture goes up to high.
Posted by: scentsofroses | December 19, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
“they are writing about scandal because thats all their tiny minds can handle.”
No, they’re writing about scandal because it’s all the public’s tiny minds can handle. They write about what sells.
Posted by: Silky | December 19, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
scentsofconspiracy
You think greed is partial to the
“repuglicans”? Democrats are all saints from God, I forgot. That is laughable.
Only one party calls for larger government control of our lives- which always means more corruption. When will you socialists realize that sending more of your hard earned $$ off to washington DC is ridiculous. That $$ goes to pay for Iranian cavier and $30,000 diamond rings (2 favorites of michelle obamas).
That is not what our founding fathers envisioned. They knew taxes were necessary, but last year I worked jan-may just to pay the gov’t!
Now that barry is in there, it will be til’ mid june.
Posted by: keepthechange | December 19, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
mary anderson
I am not concerned with climate change.
I think it is bologna.
I am more concerned with al gore’s private jet and $30,000 utility bills in regards to his energy consumption. That man has one heck of a carbon foot print!
Will one of the global warming…errr climate change…(I guess the whole warming thing isn’t panning out too well) loons please tell me how the earth went through 100 “ice ages” before al gore had 6 homes??
As for Iraq, i feel much safer knowing that a man that killed 700,000 of his own people with chemical weapons is dead now.
As for job losses, i feel your pain. Unions have negotiated themselves right out of a job. You can only go after the “evil” employer so long before the employer finally just closes shop.
Posted by: keepthechange | December 19, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Am I the only one that remembers that GW Bush is still president? Shouldn’t the press be grilling him on torture or something? Or maybe that’s not nearly as important as a lowly corrupt Illinois governor.
Posted by: slag | December 19, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
keepthechange, Oh it gets under your skin, when the “other side” has good points too. You have to resort to personal name calling. Have I refered to your comments in a personal name-calling?
Sr. Bush was in office while Saddam was killing a lot of people too. He didn’t remove him then. Jr. only removed Saddam “supposedly” because of the “WMD’s”. They were the original reason we went there. It was only after the hoax of the WMD’s that we started to feel good about removing Saddam on purely humanitarian reasons. Oh, that’s right, Dems don’t go in for humanitarian rights. LOL
Look who’s been drinking W’s koolaid for a long long time. You are starting to smell rotten.
But let’s just give each other a “hug” and Merry Christmas to you and Peace on Earth.
Posted by: scentsofroses | December 19, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Long as it is I have to post this
this is not about marriage or someone’s religion being practiced on their own time… and it is not
“small”
This is the first time that I am overwhelmed with emotion by the sheer blindness of how offensive this Rick Warren words and active preaching is to people who, yes, were born like me. I am a Christian. It is not about the marriage issue (I could give a…)it is about Rick Warren’s continued statements and battle against the idea that gay people are not on par with pedophiles…or committing something on par with beastiality…
He aggressively and repeatedly calls me…on par with a pedophile…
I ask you to think how would that make YOU feel… if a national preacher said over and over that you were as worthy of a soul as a pedophile… without knowing what was in your head…that the love you felt for another adult… …your wife and what your wife felt for you was evil. …and in your heart of hearts you know that is not true. This preacher over and over said it again and again (he said it again this morning with Ann Curry)
and how would that make YOU feel if such a person was chosen by your President to stand with him at the Inauguration…after you fought to get that President elected.
I tell you…my guess is (excuse my French) you would be pissed, offended and most of all scared
…and all those around you who respected you and cared for you…would be lividly pissed too.
This is not a small kerfuffle… go look at Warren’s statements… Put it in a different societal context
What if he had compared interracial relationship couples with beastiality or called them unnatural or said they were unholy (as was a popular belief in the 50′s and 60′s) and what if Kennedy, King, Johnson, etc… gave those Rick Warren’s of their day who believed that National prominence.
Here is my letter…
The man has repeatedly called gays and lesbians on par with pedophiles.
Can you think what it would be like if the President of the United States picked as the representative of moral and religious authority a man who has driven home a point that you were a pedophile based on not a single fact or truth…besides what is in his own head.
He did it again this morning on Ann Curry’s interview…
he said gays just like pedophiles just need to control their urges and not be gay.
Is this 1963
of course if it were 1963 he would also be preaching the popular belief that interracial marriage was unnatural and maybe even unholy…
How would Barack feel about that pick…
perhaps when his mother was living in a neighborhood that strongly bought into the idea that interracial fraternization was an offense… a neighborhood perhaps she had to walk down…at night…daily.
How would he feel then when the President at the time picked a man who was vocally and aggressively preaching that what his mother was doing as an adult with another adult she was in love with…was on par with beastiality and pedophilia?
…as she walked through neighborhoods where they believed that.
How would he feel if he had walked through those same neighborhoods as the product of that relationship, as he fought and was campaigning for that President…in neighborhoods that believed that, based on nothing but the word of some social conservatives? Neighborhoods he probably should not have been going.
I did that…for him…in backwoods towns all over New hampshire… for 2 YEARS
I was one of the first 50 people doing it for him in New Hampshire
I fought daily for him for 2 years.
I gave up more than he will ever know to get him elected.
and I am gay.
this is not about marriage…
it is about a man whose rhetoric spreads theories about a minority population based on no facts (besides his “for 5000 years marriage was”… well for 8000 years slavery was pushed okay by societies including the Bible)
This choice …this reaching across the aisle and “inclusivity”…by including those who exclude and insult…
back in the 60′s…if the President said that after he chose an anti-interracial marriage preacher…
Barack would have had a lot of four letter words for that President.
and my guess is…would never support him again.
Posted by: dl | December 19, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Anyone who gets elected to US Congress should be commended, regardless of what someone believes their qualifications or lack thereof are. I don’t always agree, but so be it.
Speaking of “qualifications” how do right wing nuts become talk radio hosts? Surely, it is not based on education or experience else Limbaugh would have a Three D program (Divorce, Donuts & Drugs). These are the only subjects he knows anything about, he certainly has never held any other job and most definitely, has no knowledge of politics!
Posted by: Denise | December 19, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
and for those who think it is just a five minute prayer…
when it is done…Warren and his words …about pedophilia and beastiality will have new creedence.
It is important and fighting it happening is NOT intolerance any more than MLK’s speech about children playing together…or ghandi speaking out…
or the suffragists saying it is not okay for a husband top control his wife.
I am not a pedophile and anyone who can not tell the difference between two adults who love each other and an adult who takes advantage and hurts a child…should probably not be around too many children.
Posted by: dl | December 19, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Katherine, are you freaking serious?
Do you actually think that anyone who meets the MINIMUM requirements is therefore QUALIFIED to be Senator? There are literally millions of people in New York who meet those requirements, but that absolutely does not mean that they are qualified. This is a democracy and representatives are supposed to be chosen by the people. Caroline Kennedy has never submitted herself to public scrutiny so the people have very little sense of her qualifications, maybe she would make a good Senator, maybe she wouldn’t, but I don’t think that that is actually what most people care about. If she is named Senator it is purely due to her inherited privileges. She may be more qualified than a lot of people, but there is absolutely no way that she is the most qualified, therefore if she is appointed the unavoidable conclusion is that the deciding factor was her privilege and not her objective qualifications. Not the biggest travesty in the world, but if you can’t understand why that would bother people then you are extroadinarily oblivious.
Posted by: SammyC | December 19, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
dl
your man is a sleaze, had the media just vetted him, you would know.
However, why are you not just as upset about obama’s MENTOR,FATHER FIGURE, SPIRITUAL ADVISOR,BEST FREIND (these are barry’s descriptions of reverend wright, not mine) rhetoric??
“America created the AIDS virus”
“America is the worst terrorist nation in the world”
“America is an evil country”
I COMPLETELTY denounce pastor warren’s anti-gay statements, they are dangerous and ridiculous. But you need to be just as upset about wright’s ridiculous and dangerous staments that barry brought his children to listen to.
Posted by: dave | December 19, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
BSKI: I missed the part where Caroline was governor in one of our states. Which one? You say she is more qualified than Palin, but never been eleceted to ANYTHING.
Posted by: QUEPDDS | December 19, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Keepthechange is in full idiot mode today. He doesn’t believe in climate change? Well, I guess we should all follow his ignorance rather than the consensus of world scientists. He throws around charges of corruption about our new president without one solid (or even partial) piece of evidence. He blames huge job losses solely on unions (I guess he thinks the unions sold all those mortgage-backed securities). Can’t the right wingers just crawl under their rocks for awhile?
Posted by: tmginnova | December 19, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
tmginnova
i see you neglected to answer my question. How has the earth gone through 100 ice ages (aka earth heating and cooling drastically) way before al gore had a private jet/yacht and $30,000 monthly utility bills?
Also, I did not blame the crisis fully on the unions, i was blaming it more on the liberal democrats in power. Years of forcing banks to make bad loans along with “spread the wealth around mentality” unions have nearly crippled this country.
Check Barry big court case in the 90′s. He was involved in a lawsuit against “mean” lenders who did not want to give loans to people who could never pay them back, or as barry said ” IT’S DISCRMINATION!”
Posted by: dave | December 19, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
dave I was.
but he denounced Right’s words…and left that church.
that is not what is happening here.
he is giving this preacher a pulpit and recognition to give creedence to his teachings…including calling for me to be looked at as soemthing lower than that I am not.
Posted by: dl | December 19, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
You’ve all become Comfortably Numb. And for the next four years, ‘bama intends that you stay Conveniently Dumb. Maybe Rick Warren will forget ‘bama’s middle name and Swear in Barack Walker 0bama? lol to the extreme left. You got him elected and he left you at the alter. We told ya’.
Posted by: beebop | December 19, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Dave,
What case are you refering to? Did he win? I would love to look it up.
Thanks
Posted by: SammyC | December 19, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
tmginnova…i am an independent.. PEBO deserves to be questioned as thats what goes with the teritorry. so far he has shown me he is very inexperiened in handling an even minor crisis as BLAGO.his adminstration originates from illinois which has had major corruption issues and RAHM is looking he speakith with forkrd tounge. too bad the media didnt vett BHO before the election, the ultra liberals who got him into office might have found out that BHO doesnt do as he says. as far as global warming goes.. i havent heard anything about it since the economy tanked… as people are more important than things we rally cant stop or change. also have you ever dealt with a scientist? what happened to a new ice age, acid rain, avian bird flu etc etc etc.?
Posted by: catman | December 19, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
“BSKI: I missed the part where Caroline was governor in one of our states. Which one? You say she is more qualified than Palin, but never been eleceted to ANYTHING.”
Palin’s an idiot, which she demonstrated loud and clear time and again during the campaign. It look her how many schools and how long to get through college? To get a journalism major? Then she was major of Mooseknuckle, population 12. Then the Governor of Alaska, Elk population 6 million, people population 60. Caroline Kennedy was born into a masters program in politics, then got an undergrad degree from Harvard and post-grad degree from Columbia. She’s a New York Times best selling writer and is a member of the DC and New York bars. The only bar Palin will ever be a member of is the Elks Lodge. Kennedy’s pedigree is as rich as they come for this field.
And the job description of a governor is nothing like that of a senator, fwiw.
Posted by: Silky | December 19, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Here is a president who is trying to appeal to all….while we had a president for the last eight years who did not give a damn what anyone thought and did what he wanted like a Texas Roughrider i.e. the war. Let’s give this guy a break and stop trying to analyze everything to mean something negative. Let’s all enjoy the holidays with peace and love for all and get bitchy after the new year. Happy Holidays.
Posted by: Pat Napolitano Marietta. Ga. | December 19, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Too hungover to proofread today so take your shots.
Posted by: Silky | December 19, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Dave (are you keep-the-change’s evil twin?): All you need to do on climate change is to check out the leading scientific organizations and scientists worldwide (rather than Rush or Sean or whatever windbags provide your views). They are clear about the causes and consequences of climate change, and have answered all of the diversionary arguments made by oil companies and their handful of paid apologists. I know it’s more fun to attack Al Gore, but that’s called “changing the subject.”
And it’s hilarious (but predictable) to hear you blame the economic crisis on the “liberal democrats.” Oh, rather than the party of big business that’s controlled the Executive Branch for 20 out of the last 28 years and Congress most of the time since 94?
Get real. I’m out of here.
Posted by: tmginnova | December 19, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
natale from ma: You say it’s “TIME FOR KENNEDYS JUST TO GO THEY HAVENT DONE ONE THING FOR ME OR MY FAMILY…”
So the reason you want them gone is because they haven’t done anything for you or your family? Is that the job of a United States Senator, to “do something” for you or your family? Have you needed something in particular to be done? If so, have you told your senator you need something done? One is a Senator for one’s state, not one particular person in one’s state. I suspect there are others in Massachusetts who believe that a Kennedy has, in fact, done plenty for them simply by being in the Senate and doing the job of a senator.
Posted by: Kitty Wilberforce | December 19, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Silky:
When did working your way through college become a source of embarrassment to Americans? What silver spoon were you born with? How many more Americans can identify with Joe the Plumber and Governor Palin than Caroline Kennedy? Do you get it yet? They are turning us against each other in a battle for hearts and minds.
During the campaign season just concluded, I saw ads calling candidates who couldn’t pay their real estate taxes CROOKS and THIEVES. Do you know anyone who lost their home in foreclosure or can’t pay their taxes? Are they thieves? Any day now us “little people” will be totally frozen out of public office. Do you get that? Frozen Out. All decisions made by the extremely wealthy and the powerful lobbies. Just use your head.
Posted by: beebop | December 19, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
SammyC
I am refering to his representing ACORN in the 90′s. ACORN/barry O has as much to do with the housing crisis as barney frank, chris dodd, nancy pelosi, harry reid,chuck schumer.
Did you happen to catch barney frank on larry king last week when he kept mentioning the need for “income equality”. I am telling you sammyc, liberals abandoned capitalism a long time ago and they have created major economic strains on our country. How are conservatives supposed to argue with “we just want to help the poor”. They can’t, they get to look like the jerks while liberals get to run around playing robin hood.
Posted by: dave | December 19, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Dave: “…liberals…have created major economic strains on our country…”
Right you are, Dave. It especially pi$$ed me off when the liberals said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and started that liberal doctrine of pre-emptive war. And then, when those liberals didn’t find any wmd’s in Iraq, they claimed they were “bringing democracy” to the Middle East. Now we’re spending in excess of $275 million a day just because those same liberals insisted on continuing this war. Yeah, the liberals are really sending this country down the toilet, aren’t they?
Posted by: Kitty Wilberforce | December 19, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
“When did working your way through college become a source of embarrassment to Americans? What silver spoon were you born with?”
I most certainly was not born with a “silver spoon in my mouth. And I know plenty of people who worked their way through school who didn’t require 5 schools over 6 years to get their degrees.
“How many more Americans can identify with Joe the Plumber and Governor Palin than Caroline Kennedy? Do you get it yet?”
And that’s why we’re fortunate that Joe is a plumber, not a Senator and that Palin is a Governer of a Canadian province, not the Vice President.
Posted by: Silky | December 19, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
dave, the poor that acorn represented, are not the reason we are in the mess. It is all of the fat-cats that care about “number-one” and their fat wallets that are to blame.
Everyone lived like they were entitled for the last eight years. Everyone I know had a SUV. I drive a cavelier. My one friend had a Land Rover, a Hummer and a Mercedes SUV. She was all excited about the Land Rover because it had higher windows to see the Alps. (I had a great chuckle about THAT one. We live in OHIO,) If she could actually see the Alps, it may have been worth the energy cost!LOL Everyone had to have their McMansions. They popped up everywhere! Guess what, they are all losing their properties and can’t pay their property taxes or gasolene for their SUV’s Oh, and they all voted Republican for years!
Who’s drinking KOOL-AID?
Posted by: scentsofroses | December 19, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Kitty,
Do not ever give liberals credit for freeing anyone!!!!!
You see, liberals prefer to give people like ahkmadenijead (a holocaust denying nut who kills American troops) speaking platforms at prestigous American schools, like Columbia College. Or they prefer to send olive branches to Iran when they held Americans hostage for 444 days. They claim to be about the cause of freedom but they are sissies.
They would rather say they are going to back cuban rebels rising up against castro only to back out at the last second, resulting in the slaughter of thousands of brave cubans at the bay of pigs(keneddy).
Or they sign peace treaties with North Vietnam only to refuse to give Nixon power to enforce the treaty when the North became aggressive again (democratic congress). This resulted in the death of MILLIONS of innocent vietnamese at the hands of the north, but hey, jane fonda and the liberals brought America “peace”.
As for the WMD’s, clinton said exactly what bush said, he was just playing hide the cigar with monica. Regardless, we found mustard gas and 700,000 dead bodies murdered by saddam’s chemical weapons, but the liberals will never acknowledge that. They would have preferd to give saddam a hug, or perhaps, invited him to columbia to hear “his side of the story”.
Liberals are traitors and pansies.
Posted by: dave | December 19, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
scentsofroses
Of course their were rich people who benefited from the liberals in power forcing the banks to wipe away their lending standards. However, the overwhelming MAJORITY of those losing their homes right now are those who were voting for the messiah’s of the poor, as every liberal politician claims to be.
Posted by: dave | December 19, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
The media can be extremely useful but annoying at the same time. Barack Obama said he will answer all questions that need to be answered at the appropriate time. There is an investigation going on and once it’s complete than everyone will be allowed to talk about it. Be patient!
Posted by: Kahty | December 19, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Well, Dave, you’ll just have to pardon my traitor pansy a$$ but we can play this game all day, all month, all year. Let’s just take, for example, this comment:
“Or they prefer to send olive branches to Iran when they held Americans hostage for 444 days. They claim to be about the cause of freedom but they are sissies.”
Now just WHY in the hell would the Iranians want to hold Americans hostage for 444 days? Not that I excuse it in the least, but if my memory serves me correctly, there was a time when Iran was (gasp!) a democracy! And what happened to that democracy? Well, it seems the powers that be (including Winston Churchill) came to Harry Truman and asked him to overthrow that democracy, for whatever reason (oil, of course). Harry Truman, being Harry Truman, told them to go pound sand. So what did the powers that be do? Why, they waited until a Republican became president and he overthrew the democratic government of Iran and installed the greate and powerful Shah. And from that day forward the anti-American sentiments grew until we had a hostage situation.
See? We can play this game forever. You tell a “liberals and democrats are a$$holes” story and then I’ll tell a “neocons and Republicans are a$$holes” story.
Posted by: Kitty Wilberforce | December 19, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Kitty
I am kind of blown away at your facts distortion. It was under CARTERS’ WATCH (quite possibly the worst prez in history) that the hostage situation took place. It was under CARTER’S watch that America turned its back on assisting the then democratic Iran.
The day Regan took power was the day the hostages were released. Even muslim extremists in funny outfits know that liberals are pansies and conservatives will kick their butts.
You are correct, we can go round and round, but i am arguing with facts, you are arguing with delusional accounts of history.
Posted by: dave | December 19, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
“As for the WMD’s, clinton said exactly what bush said, he was just playing hide the cigar with monica.”
Fine, but I don’t recall Clinton starting a war over it, using a known lie to sell it to Congress and the world.
Posted by: Silky | December 19, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Dave dear, I know WHEN the hostages were taken, I was just trying to talk a little bit about WHY the hostages were taken. Perhaps you should study a little Iranian history, say from the 1940′s forward.
Posted by: Kitty Wilberforce | December 19, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
dave – you continue to distort with “Of course their were rich people who benefited from the liberals in power forcing the banks to wipe away their lending standards. However, the overwhelming MAJORITY of those losing their homes right now are those who were voting for the messiah’s of the poor, as every liberal politician claims to be.” To balance things out, it was a conservative republican president that asked for the congress to pass the bill and John McCain voted for it. Second look at the record setting debt we incurred during conservative republican control of congress for six years and the presidency for eight years. I think there is lots of blame for both parties. I also disagree with who is in trouble trying to pay for their home and other debt. It is not just the poor that you are implying. There a lot of republican voters that got carried away with their spending and amount of debt they incurred. Republicans are not immune to greed or keeping up with the Jones.
Posted by: MikeMo1947 | December 19, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
What exactly is a “gay marching band?”
Posted by: Joseph Bailey | December 19, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
someone needs to ask the President directly if A president in the 60′s asked a preacher who actively and fiercely stated numerously that interracial marriage or relations were on par with the unnatural, unholy and even often termed on par with bestiality…
and that president gave that preacher the honor and acredittation of being the main religious figure at his own inauguration…
to give him that creedence for the next 4 years minimum…
would he think that was that President “reaching out to people”
Posted by: dl | December 19, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Posted by: scentsofroses | Dec 19, 2008 12:48:52 PM; In review of today’s comments, you appear to be “intellectually on top of the issues;” together with “Katherine | Dec 19, 2008 9:21:49 AM.” What amazes me is the “Hard-Right-Edged Storm Troopers” cause their less-vocal, and less-radical clansmen/and women “to remain in the dark, regarding the issues.” The bottom-line is that far-rightwing conservatives CREATE their own Truth. And it’s absurd, for them to think; that everyone else is obliged to accept their “distorted Interpretation” of FACTS.
Posted by: bobj72 | December 19, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Kitty Wilberforce is my homegirl.
“What exactly is a “gay marching band?”"
Ever heard Coldplay?
Posted by: Silky | December 19, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
The backers of the Bush library are similar to Clinton backers in money, interests, and global locations. But I wouldn’t hold my breath for an objective comparison.
Posted by: kat | December 19, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
Dave,
You are seriously blowing your credibility here. Are you illiterate or simply purposefully misinterpreting what people write?
Truman refused to authorize a coup in Iran, Eisenhower and the Dulles brothers approved it as soon as they got into power. This is historical fact.
Kitty never said that the hostage taking occured under Eisenhower.
Just as conservatives have legitimate criticisms of Clinton’s handling of the Al Qaeda threat, it is totally legitimate to criticize Eisenhower’s handling of relations with Iran. Truman stood up for the democratic rights of Iranians, Eisenhower was swayed by British arguments in favor of ensuring cheap oil. You can make the argument that he made the right choice: it ensured many years of a friendly and stable Iran. You can also make the argument that the coup ultimately lead to conditions that allowed the Ayatollah to seize power.
Try to make reasonable arguments rather than just spout ignorant hatred.
Posted by: SammyC | December 19, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
“would he think that was that President “reaching out to people”"
Depends on who you’re talking to. If it’s somebody who is capable of seeing the big picture, then yes. It’s a good strategy, really. It’s really a small price to pay on his part to throw a significant bone to a lot of people who he really is not capable of satisfying in any other way. Generally speaking, many of these people have a blind disdain for whoever is in the other party, no matter what they’re doing. But religion, and somebody that hard of a thumper, that’s the only way to get to them. Point Obama.
Posted by: Silky | December 19, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Wow he isn’t even in office yet. SCANDAL SCANDAL SCANDAL! The chances of Obama making it through his first term without a major scandal is 0. He isn’t in there yet and his own people are screaming at him. Good Job ABC.
Posted by: chaos | December 19, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
silky: It doesn’t suprise me that you drank too much last night. But as ignorant as your posts are everyday you must get drunk every night.
Posted by: chaos | December 19, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
SammyC
Calling liberals traitors and pansies is not spreading hatred. I could win that case in court. We don’t have to look any farther then the new prez elect. He took his children to hear “Goddamn America” and “America created the AIDS virus” and “America is the worst terrorist nation in the world”. People seek churches/pastors that they can identify with. I once heard a pastor of mine calling gays evil. He said 9/11 was the result of God’s wrath against them. I left and never went back. Barry, on the other hand, obviosly felt right at home in his church.
Posted by: dave | December 19, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
“someone needs to ask the President directly if A president in the 60′s asked a preacher who actively and fiercely stated numerously that interracial marriage or relations were on par with the unnatural, unholy and even often termed on par with bestiality…” Posted by: dl | Dec 19, 2008 1:52:01 PM
This is frankly a NON-QUESTION – as laws of miscegenation ARE NOT theological or biblical, so it is illogical to associate such, with the selection of a Minister to offer an invocation. These laws were legislated by men. So, your posing such a hypocritical question, is more an indication of YOUR PERSONAL PHILOSOPHY, than it is a rational argument for debate.
Posted by: bobj72 | December 19, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
“silky: It doesn’t suprise me that you drank too much last night. But as ignorant as your posts are everyday you must get drunk every night.”
I see you’re the low-hanging fruit type. Anyway, what exactly is “ignorant” about anything I’ve said? Care to, y’know, be specific?
Posted by: Silky | December 19, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
chaos – That is the way America has become and I am not proud of it. It doesn’t matter who is president and their position. No president is perfect so there are always people and groups coming up with things the president has done wrong. If there are none at the moment, they will distort some information to make the president look dishonest. This is not new. It just gets worse with each election. It is just one of the side effects of free speech while being anonymous. There are no bad consequences for lies and distortions in these blogs like there is when speaking to a group of people that live in your neighborhood or a letter to the editor where your name and town is included.
Posted by: MikeMo1947 | December 19, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Dave,
Calling liberals pansies and traitors is absolutely spreading hatred.
More than 1 out of every 5 Americans self-identifies as liberal. Plus at least some of the 44 percent that identifies as moderate will have some sympathy with liberal positions. To say that all of these people are pansy traitors is ignorant and hateful, and there is no way you could ever prove that it is true in court.
Maybe you could prove that a few liberal politicians are pansies and traitors, but that’s not what you said, you said “liberals,” which is a group that consists of over 60 million people. Even if Obama is a pansy traitor that doesn’t prove anything about the rest of the liberals in America.
So yes, you are spouting ignorant hate, while ignoring 95% of what I wrote, which was a historical argument based on specific facts as well as subjective interpretation. But you couldn’t even address it because you apparently have no actual knowledge, just flimsy opinion.
Posted by: SammyC | December 19, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
SammyC
What on earth are you talking about?? What did I not address that you claim to be so accurate?
Liberals have been basically screwing up this country for 50 years. Economically and militarily. My point is barry was just elected by your so called 60 million liberals. His “father figure” wright was out in the open and I think it made MANY liberals embrace him more. They did because many liberals view America as wright and ayers do. Sad but true.
Posted by: dave | December 19, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Wow, SammyC, YOU are my HERO! Right on!I don’t think any one of any intelligence could find fault with what you said…..I said, with any intelligence. LOL
Posted by: scentsofroses | December 19, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
I certainly don’t identify with Sara Palin. The only thing I share with her is a chromosome. I don’t have an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter. I have not been on public record against abstinence, yet railing agains inner city unwed, pregnant teens. I am more educate thatn Palin and proud of my life and family now. Hard work does pay off.
I don’t identify with Joe The Plumber either. I am a responsible citizen who pays my taxes and has never been on welfare, yet cast aspersions to those in similar situations.
Posted by: Denise | December 19, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
dave -just because you have no tolerance for people that disagree with you, doesn’t mean you know what you are talking about. You just have a superiority attitude that is incompatible with the American way of life and government. Everyone has good points and bad. Most people can listen to people that have a different point of view without calling them names.
Posted by: MikeMo1947 | December 19, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Dave,
Kitty made a comment about Eisenhower’s handling of Iran. You criticized her for distorting history.
I then wrote a 16 line post, 13 lines of which addressed the history our involvement with Iran (OK, so that is only 80%, my bad). In closing I said you were spreading ignorant hate.
You said that you were not spreading ignorant hate because liberals are pansies, yadda yadda yadda.
You said absolutely nothing about our history with Iran, so you were ignoring most of what I said.
You are entitled to your opinion about liberals and all, but I was really more interested in engaging on the historical aspect of what you were saying, because clearly you are not going to change your opinion on what you see as liberals.
Now you seem really confused. Are my sentences too long for you? Does following basic logic make your head hurt? Do you have the 5 minute memory of a lower life form?
Try responding to this: you are exactly the type of uneducated bigot that the economic elites of the Republican party manipulate into providing them the electoral support they need to stay in power.
I am not saying that the Democrats don’t do the same thing. I am merely saying that I base my opinions on my own research and education, not on weak talking points spoon-fed to me by A-holes in Washington.
Posted by: SammyC | December 19, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Oh yeah, and thank you ScentOfRoses. I appreciate the support.
:-)
Posted by: SammyC | December 19, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
silky A governor is an executive position and she has a 85% APPROVAL rating in the great state of Alaska, where people aren’t elitist like you. senators although are elected they don’t run anything. I could go on but I got to get back work.
Posted by: chaos | December 19, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
“Try responding to this: you are exactly the type of uneducated bigot that the economic elites of the Republican party manipulate into providing them the electoral support they need to stay in power.”
SammyC with the HAMMER. lol.
This is RNC’s best kept, but blatantly obvious, secret.
Posted by: Silky | December 19, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
“I once heard a pastor of mine calling gays evil. He said 9/11 was the result of God’s wrath against them. I left and never went back.” Posted by: dave | Dec 19, 2008 2:16:52 PM
dave, Who could you possible think would “buy such a story?” NO intelligent, ‘right thinking’ adult would ‘buy into’ your a far-fetched statement!!! First, the quality of your decision-making comes into question? A New Pastor? Or a change in the teachings of the church where you attended? (I guess I could have saved some space, just using the verb; worshipped……? But…) You really offer an example of my strong opinion; Some of the ‘Ultra Conservatives, on the Far Right Edge’ tend to CREATE any type of ‘story’ possible, to justify a ‘completely unsupportable’ message they wish to get across.
You see, when an ‘Outright Lie’ is told, should it go unchallenged, the Misinformed, the Un-educated and the Naive could accept ‘the lie,’ as reasonable, possible or even fact. “Aquiesence is acceptance.” Unless it remains “in a private cave;” it must be Challenged!
Posted by: bobj72 | December 19, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
This comment page looks like a school yard and the little bullies are out in force to pick, pick, pick at the other little kids to make thier point. You think BHO is a saint just wait. He is for change (money). Trucks loads of it will be coming from other parts of the world to build his library along with truck loads of illegals to take your jobs and homes. Mexicans without borders to rape and rob our elderly. Truck loads of drugs that will destroy our children’s lives. Just like Clinton, Just like Bush, He will sell out America to satisfy his own greed. So far he has already proven he is a crook and liar so what else is there to prove. Just wait the best is yet to come. This is change? God help America.
Posted by: Budswisr | December 20, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am