9/11 Families Push Obama on Gitmo Trials

Bin Landin hit us on 9/11 and we don’t have him in custody.
What are the 9/11 families rumbling about.
When we have Bin Landin in custody at Gitmo than the 9/11 should have something to say.

Didn’t Osama Bin Landin attack us on 9/11? He isn’t at Gitmo. What are these families talking about?

Maybe Obama will have to give real answers instead of speaking in platitudes.

lmao OBAMA give real answers SLuggo? Theres not a urnalist at ABC that will ask Obama a tough question, Obama will just stare them down

“Bush team didn’t even bother keeping files on these guys and used torture to obtain confessions which will be thrown out at trial.”
Posted by: Teresa
And those torture methods included the unthinkable – keeping the lights on all night and playing Barney songs 24-hours a day. Come on – it’s not like they were pulling out fingernails! They used sleep deprivation and exposure to media as their primary sources of torture.

“Sic ‘em Ryan!”
Actually Bertie, you should try reading their statement.
They are quite critical of the Bush admin and understanding of Obama’s cooling off period. They want to meet to get assurances that these terrorists will be tried and that it will be done in a fair manner.
Now you can write them off as terrorist coddlers.

Obama Started off his presidency misstating historical facts for truths. He has established his bar in misleading the american people. His misstatement meant that he did not know history or he thought Americans were idiots.
He is not the 44th person to take the oath.

“We cannot understand why it has taken so long for the prosecution of the detainees in cases where substantial evidence exists of direct or indirect involvement in the Terrorist Attacks at the WTC, Pentagon and Shanksville … We have seen first hand — the admission of guilt by individual detainees, and have heard their statements indicating they are proud of what they did to our loved ones on 9/11.”
Exactly . .. Bush had about 5 years to get this done and failed miserably. The Bush administration couldn’t get it done.

CW:”Obama will give them the same rhetoric that he gives the American people. ALL talk without any meaning. Transparency blah, blah, blah.
Obama is in over his head. This guy can’t run a McDonalds let alone a country”.
If you think you are smarter than him, you should have run for the job. Obama is doer unlike BUSH W. Your comments befitted to W. And that is why we are in big mess.

I’m afraid that all this is now falling on deaf ears – Obama’s deaf ears. The new policy in case you forgot; is that since he has a Muslim middle name; “Hussein”, the new direction is the indoctrination of all of you people into believing in him, and solely in him–the new creator of health–the new creator in social justice. He is the new “Christ”… all in America should believe in him, and only him. Your whims about retribution for the deaths of all those at the world trade center and other places should be dismissed. It’s not in his ultimate plans.

I understand the need for these trials BUT none of these people said or did ANYTHING while BushCo was in power and now all of a sudden they want something done.
Hate to break it to you but there are more important things to be addressed right now. I believe that all at Gitmo will have their day in court but it is on a back burner for now as it should be.

What do 9/11 families want? These are not the guys who actually are connected to 9/11. These have been captured in battlefiel or provided by Pakistan to get their checks and prove that they are going after the terrorist and please “W” at that time.

What ever you do with the terrorists at Gitmo you can be sure the American public will pay one way or the other…in American lives or money. Obama does not know his head from his elbow and has acted precipitously in the stating of the closing.

And those torture methods included the unthinkable – keeping the lights on all night and playing Barney songs 24-hours a day. Come on – it’s not like they were pulling out fingernails! They used sleep deprivation and exposure to media as their primary sources of torture.
Posted by: humingbird
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Like you know anything about the specifics on what types of torture were used.

“Did you see the part where they said “We would like to see those responsible prosecuted in a Military Commission Court…”?”
Since the quote said “We would like to see those responsible for such acts be prosecuted in either Military Commission Courts or federal courts with fundamental fairness as exemplified in the historyy of American justice”
Jeezz Bertie its right there and you still find the need to take it out of context.
“Thats what you and pefros said Friday couldn’t possibly go on.”
That’s not what I said but it does not matter since your so called gotcha moment (like most other right wing gotchas) is based on a lie.
“And how those complaining about Obama’s justice delayed order were whiners because there were only three of them or that their story was reported on Fox News.”
I took issue with how FoxNews headline of the story(whcih implied that 9/11 families…all of them were outraged) then gave 2 examples, 1 of which seemed to match up with these families issues (ie: that these men would ultimately be tried).
The other fit into the pattern that Fox wanted to promote.
Namely that closing Gitmo means terrorists are coming to your house so be very very frightened….and vote Republican!

If Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, convicted of seditious conspiracy in 1996 in connection with the first World Trade Tower bombing, could be tried, convicted, and given a life sentence (along with the “shoe-bomber” and dozens of other foreigners) with all judicial and human rights standards met, then why hasn’t the Bush regime been able to accomplish the same thing with the 911 conspirators? The reason is that Bush decided soon after 911 that he would not be constrained by foolish liberal nonsense like “due process of law”, right to “access to an attorney of your choosing”, the right to “petition an impartial judge to protest your arrest and imprisonment,” etc., etc. Bush took the position that all of these annoying liberal judicial rights of the accused and responsibilities of the prosecution, gained over 3000 years of struggle against Kings and Despots, would stand in the way of “protecting us” against terrorists. It is THIS short-sighted and muddled messing with judicial process that has messed up the whole prosecution effort at Gitmo. Goes to show how easy it is to use some small but frightening danger to chip away at our hard-fought rights. By the way, 300,000 Americans have DIED FROM PREVENTABLE MEDICAL ERRORS since 911, one hundred times more than lost to terrorism. How about devoting more money and priority to THAT danger?

obama will turn this country into socialism and the idiots who voted for him will be to blame….

Look, they got paid off millions of dollars not to sue the Bush’s buddies in the Airline companies. Who paid is bribe? The taxpayers. These few families want us to go on for how many more years paying to hold these prisoners and torturing them? I know what! WHY DON’T THE FAMALIES PAY FOR THE COST FOR KEEPING GITMO OPEN?

“If Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, convicted of seditious conspiracy in 1996 in connection with the first World Trade Tower bombing, could be tried, convicted, and given a life sentence (along with the “shoe-bomber” and dozens of other foreigners) with all judicial and human rights standards met, then why hasn’t the Bush regime been able to accomplish the same thing with the 911 conspirators? ”
Look up the Blind Sheikh- he was convicted because tapes and wiretaps. Not necessarily the easiest thing to get when the enemy combatants are in tents and use throw away phones.
More apropos would be El Sayyid Nosair who was found not-guilty of shooting Meir Kahane after being too ably defended by liberal icons Kunstler and Kuby. Nosair then went on to blow up the WTC.
Hence the idea that it might not be the greatest idea to ship the GITMO terrorists to the United States to pad out the career of every unethical lawyer who wants to get on CourtTV to grandstand.

We must remember that only a very small number of the “detainees” (prisoners) at Gitmo are in any direct way connected with 9/11! And owing to the policies of the Bush Administration, we really have not way of assuring the American public that even THOSE parties are actually connected with 9/11 – i.e. that they are not simply sympathetic NON-conspirators who have been coerced into confessing involvement that was not in fact real.
The primary reason for the delay initiated by president Obama is to ensure that proper investigations and truly fair and constitutional trials are conducted.
We need to collectively get over our blind trust that the previous administration had some superior knowledge of who was or was not involved in 9/11. These trials need to be conducted in a more open manner to whatever degree they can be without ACTUALLY compromising valuable intelligence assets or endangering others’ lives. We must remember that simply blaming or even executing someone for 9/11 will derive no justice whatsoever if the person(s) so blamed and/or executed are not actually guilty.

All I hear is whinning/. The GOP has done nothing and now they whine “not in my backyard”
They knew that time would run out some day on them so they just stalled and, delayed and, buried their heads in the sand. So now Obama is the problem.
When in Gods name are the rest of you going to wake up?

Jeez I thought we were done with the birthers and now the truthers come out of the woodwork.

Dear BertieW: Exactly! And when you are in trouble and need to hire a very sharp lawyer, then you must follow your own foolish reasoning and choose a incompetent right-wing clown instead.

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“Did you see the part where they said “We would like to see those responsible prosecuted in a Military Commission Court…”?”
Since the quote said “We would like to see those responsible for such acts be prosecuted in either Military Commission Courts or federal courts with fundamental fairness as exemplified in the historyy of American justice”"
That *is* the context! GITMO is a Military Court. See that part where they say “We have seen first hand the admission of guilt…” The are talking about the Military Commission trial at GITMO they attended.
The trials that literally were in progress with 9/11 families in the court room as observers when the judge got a call from BO’s justice department. He had to tell the courtroom they were going on three month recess and didnt know if they would be able to ever proceed.
On Friday you pontificated:
“But looky what I found from last month, Thirty-three relatives of people killed in the 9/11 attacks on the US have denounced the Guantanamo war crimes trials as illegitimate and unfair.”
But apparently thats not the whole story as you like to imply. There were 7 people quoted in the stories on Friday and another three in this press release- and they all seem to find a value in the GITMO trials.

“Dear BertieW: Exactly! And when you are in trouble and need to hire a very sharp lawyer, then you must follow your own foolish reasoning and choose a incompetent right-wing clown instead.”
As soon as I am non-US citizen picked up on a foreign battlefield in the midst of terrorist actions that will be a sensible critique.

“But apparently thats not the whole story as you like to imply.”
I never implied it was the whole story which is why I included the number of relatives vs just saying 9/11 families like FoxNews and you would prefer to.
“There were 7 people quoted in the stories on Friday and another three in this press release- and they all seem to find a value in the GITMO trials”
Here’s what the families objecting to Gitmo signed
9/11 FAMILY MEMBERS CHALLENGE LEGITIMACY OF GUANTÁNAMO MILITARY COMMISSIONS
As family members who lost loved ones on 9/11, we feel compelled to speak out about this week’s proceedings at Guantánamo. Recently, the Guantánamo military commissions office announced that victims’ family members would be permitted, on a lottery basis, to attend the Guantánamo legal hearings of those accused of planning the 9/11 attacks. The lottery system inherently results in the granting of media attention to the select few who are chosen, and whose views are not necessarily representative of all victims’ families. The media coverage of Monday’s commission hearings included statements attributed to attending family members that the tribunals provided a fair hearing for these prosecutions and that family members “were struck by the extensive rights accorded the accused men.”
While we support everyone’s right to their individual opinions about these proceedings, including, of course, other family members who have suffered the devastation we have, we also feel obliged to make clear that many of us do not believe these military commissions to be fair, in accordance with American values, or capable of achieving the justice that 9/11 family members and all Americans deserve.
We believe that the secretive and unconstitutional nature of these proceedings deprive us of the right to know the full truth about what happened on 9/11. These prosecutions have been politically motivated from the start, are designed to ensure quick convictions at the expense of due process and transparency, and are structured to prevent the revelation of abusive interrogations and torture engaged in by the U.S. government. Unfortunately, any verdict borne of these proceedings will lack legitimacy and leave us wondering if true justice has been served. No comfort or closure can come from military commissions that ignore the rule of law and stain America’s reputation at home and abroad.
We are strongly encouraged by the incoming administration’s promise to end this shameful system, and we are hopeful for a fresh start for these and all other Guantánamo prosecutions in U.S. courts worthy of American justice. It is time for our nation to stop betraying its own values – and the values of so many who died on 9/11.

“The trials that literally were in progress with 9/11 families in the court room as observers when the judge got a call from BO’s justice department. He had to tell the courtroom they were going on three month recess and didnt know if they would be able to ever proceed.”
Who gave this version?
Rush, Hannity or O’Reilly?

My faith in my fellow man faulters when I read some of this stuff why do some of you want to make evrything into a spy movie some things are just what they are. This is one of them, this is simply the right thing to do and we need to get on with either jailing or killing some ofthese guys call it good and move on. Job himself could not satisfy some of you by making a plan and sticking to it. Pres Obama has said he would do this that is why I voted for him, and you did not. That is the bottom line.

This is very misleadingly written, Jake, and you know it.

For those of you who think 9/11 was an “inside job” and Bush had something to do with it – THANK YOU – I needed a good laugh!!!!!!!

Posted by: Lisa
Obama will prove to be disasterous to our nation. He does not have the experience to keep this country safe.
Bush should have handled the Gitmo trials, that is true. He should not have not left it in the hands of an inexperienced 100 day senator
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bahahahahahahaha! oh man… that was funny!
so bush… who hid behind his daddy’s money so that he wouldn’t have to do his tour in the military, is the best person to protect america?
what a joke!

Gee, did you ask the guy who created Gitmo why he tortured these people making it impossible to try them?

He closed GITMO – he’s not releasing the inmates into the public. Their trials will proceed in more realistic and humane venues. The manner in which these inmates were being treated at gitmo would have cast a shodow over their eventual verdicts. If I recall correctly both Obama and McCaine agreed that GITMO needed to be closed

I agree…and as we are finding out today…the Bush Gang could not even manage to turn over complete case files on any of the detainee’s..further evidence that they operated a rogue government with no regard what so ever for the rule of law…they have made prosecution virtually impossible..unless we re-adopt the lynch law and guilty with no chance to prove innocence…what a mess…at least our new President is willing to take on the challenge of how to resolve this travesty….in the mean time…he’s also burdened with the responsibility to bring the other gang of criminals to justice…i.e. Bush/Cheney/Rumsey/Gonzo to justice as well…

Phil…the reason why there are not complete files is because the CIA wouldn’t give 80% of their files to Bush Admin….Then you have other agencies involve that won’t share their files on detainees…Another reason to have a Gov’t running everything in the United States….lol

Well…if you’re going to detainee someone then the case files need to be complete. If you are going to put someone on trial…and expect to successfully prosecute them assuming they are indeed guilty..then you must have a complete case file. If you are going to prosecute someone then you also need to conform to the rule of law…i.e. not torture them…the official in charge of reviewing cases went on record last week saying that many of the people cannot be tried in a manner that conforms to the rule of law because they were tortured….it’s a huge mess…and represents a huge failure of both the legislative and judicial branches of government to quite simply do their job…I’m sure Obama threw up his hands after being fully briefed…which is why he established a joint commission to establish a future policy that actually makes sense, is connected and conforms to the rule of law to deal with future detainees….what we do with the current detainee’s is a huge mess…technically….and legally they simply need to be released…they have not be detained legally….I do praise our new President’s efforts to end our failures to conform to the rule of law.
Unfortunately….to set everything right once again and conform to our principles and ideals…as well as our international obligations….he must deal with the actions of the past administration as it relates to torture and unlawful detention…he simply needs to pardon them all which gives them all a scarlet letter to live with and then let the international community deal with them in regards to war crimes.

Camp50 – I have a friend who worked at GITMO for one year as an Arabic translator. Those prisoners have it really good there. It makes the prisons here look really bad. My friend said that their food, etc. is catered to their Muslim standards. We all know that if they were to be transfered, they would have a cow here. Remember that if they go to court, everyone has access to confidential information. Unkowingly, this could affect other operations going on. This whole thing about closing GITMO is all political posturing to the left. Obama has a pre 9/11 mindset.

We inappropriately intervene in affairs of other nations…and support violence and agression…and then are suprised when the monster comes home to roost?
Are you referring to our new leadership?
We have not been aggressors, but defenders. When will obama and the liberal extremists understand defense?

Interesting that the first two things Obama does when he is in office is make it easier to get an abortion and let terrorist go free. I’m afraid — very afraid!

I did not vote for BHO but I do wish for our success as a country. I am not a yes man for Bush or McCain either. My concern over the Gitmo closing is similar to a previous post in that the POTUS seemed to be searching for answers as he was signing the executive order. He himself asked, “is there a second order explaining what will be done with the detainees”… or something to that effect. One of his staffers answered that, “there will be a process”. I read both orders and it strikes me that Bush was beat up for not having an Iraq exit plan ahead of time, but, we have no exit plan on this either. They should have had these details worked out before the big photo op for the lefties. Bush could have done more with this, too, but at one point there were 800 and we now have 1/3 of that.

“Interesting that the first two things Obama does when he is in office is make it easier to get an abortion and let terrorist go free. I’m afraid — very afraid!”
And also very uninformed too apparently. Obama isn’t letting terrorists go free.

Andrew: “Being the conservative father of a 9-11 victim does not make you a law-maker and does not nullify the Geneva Convention.”
Doesn’t make you a law-maker–I agree. However, GC doesn’t apply to non-uniformed combatants, warriors, whatever. I believe on this point you are mis-informed.

How can anyone let these animals back on the soil they burnt?I lost friends in those Towers,I also lived 3 blocks away from them,I witnessed that whole morning,my apt. got destroyed.Do you think I want these scum back in my Country?

Par. 61
(a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) that of carrying arms openly;
(d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

Which country do you live in? Gitmo is an American travesty. There is never an excuse to torture or detain anyone without due process. The legal aspects of the constitution are what keeps this nation great in the eyes of the world.

What this really shows is that Barrys priorities are not the struggling American families that he claimed to support during the campaign. His top priorities are obviously abortions and treating the people that killed 3000 Americans more nicely.

And if they are brought to the U.S. will they have access to all civil liability, sueing government with prisoners rights, law books, false arrest etc etc etc? Remember that was one of the reasons for spending money on a jail at Gitmo, to keep them off our soil. Follow the money. Obama is a lawyer with bias and tunnel vision, formed by his educational and work experience with ACLU and sueing on technicalities. Thats to say nothing of his campaign contributions from trial lawyers and liberal judges etc.
The trials should be held at GItmo under military courts and THE PLAN followed through on as dictated by the previous administration. Obama’s unwillingness to admit Bush and company was right on one little thing, like GItmo, is stubborness to the extreme and throughs ever plan by a previous admin, into the chaos relhm.
Todays Iranian blame on the U.S. and Britain for their own terrorist bomb, makes me think many people would have had Bush blame Saudia Arabia for 9.11 and declare war, regardless of other intelligence or the fact that Insurance companies would have been off the hook for covering victims of the towers, because of the “war”. We can’t even convict gang members for many of their crimes, due to the state of confusion and civil suits costing government money over ‘terms, definitions and clear law”, let alone enemy combatants.
Follow the money, and leave common sense and law out of it, this decision will be a deep pockets, so sad to bad, example of liberalism gone wild.