GOP Pushback Mounts on Gitmo

Give the terrorists to Murtha.

Good to see that at least a few of our federal employees are still interested in protecting the country against the terrorists who want us all dead.

So the Republicans don’t want to be prosecuted for their support of Bush’s illegal and inhumane torture? What else is new. These so called “compassionate conservatives” have been so criminally invoved for the past 8 years and won’t even man up to their transgressions against mankind. What slimes GOPs can be. I hope they’re out of office for many, many years to come.

nbc calls rednecks and bigots,rednecks and bigots…

Remember the prisoners at Gitmo are not terrorist, they are only SUSPECTS. Many are probably dangerous but a large number are innocent. They need military tribunals to strike a balance between liberty and security.
“Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.”

We could send them all to Texas. Afterall, Bush lives there and he created the problem. Besides, Texas likes executing prisoners.

Regardless of the statistics of what former detainees have done in the past, do we have the legal standing to hold anyone we think might be a terrorist PERMANENTLY with no hope of trial or release? Are we that desperate as a nation? Are we that sure of ourselves? Has anyone in the GOP addressed the cost of keeping Gitmo open? I’m not talking maybes, I’m talking cold hard cash. Don’t tell me the cost of closing it is “our security as a nation” that’s hogwash. Take the money we’re spending at Gitmo and shore up the military. Bring the military home and have them in ready-mode to strike at a known threat when it’s a known threat. That’s what the Israeli armed forces do.

What a slap in the face to our soldiers, to imply they cannot manage a prison on a military base. The Republicans blow it again with their stupid innuendo. Insult our troops and infer terrorists will be put in halfway houses next to playgrounds. Showing their true clown colors.

The protections that have served us well under the Bush administration should be continued. Obama would rather appease his liberal supporters than to protect America.
If Obama removes these protections and we are attacked again he should never be forgiven.

I kind of like the idea of bringing them to US prisons. I predict that our problem will be solved by American inmates. Terrorists may prefer Gitmo justice over what they’ll encounter here.

Thank God Obama is in office and hopefully is going to put a stop to this freaking insanity. I thought in our system of justice you are INNOCENT until proven GUILTY. Now we find out today that our government has been listening in to all of our communications. Don’t all of you Bush lover’s understand what is wrong with this? Isn’t it obvious to you that Bush almost destroyed the Constitution. I hope they bring him to trial for his abuse.

Gitmo should be closed. It is a stain on America which made Bush look like the hypocrite he is when he blathered on about Democracy!

All these detainees should be sent straight to Crawford, to ‘cut brush’ with bush. They deserve each other.

Back to the cops and robbers routine where al Qaeda kept attacking us with increasing violence and determination during the 90′s and early 2000′s. The nation will hold this administration and the congress responsible should anymore attacks occur against American’s after Bush kept us safe for the last 7 years.

Don’t want them here and they can’t be sent home because either their home country doesn’t want them or they would be TRULY tortured in their own country. For those of you who believe they have incredible rights – that’s very big as they do not consider you to be worth wiping their feet on – you are nothing to them. “The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing” Edmund Burke. Think on that for a while

Lydie – they were found on the battlefield with the fighters – clearly they were meaning to do harm. We’ll let them move in with you – just make sure they stay there.

GladTheyCanSaveUs,
Seeing as the ‘battlefield’ were actual neighborhoods, it doesn’t take much to imagine how someone got swept up who didn’t belong there.
And did you read #4, how the majority of these ‘bad guys’ were not collected by our armed forces but were traded for huge bounties? That sounds like a recipe for more than a few mistakes.

It always puzzles me when people scream and shout about the danger posed by terrorists, when we tolerate a far, far larger number of deaths caused by tobacco companies. Tobacco companies can kill millions of people and no one bats an eyelash, but if terrorists kill 2000 people we throw the entire nation into a panic for a decade. That’s seriously screwed up logic. It only works if the powers that be abet the terrorists in their aims by fanning the flames of hysteria. Think about it–the entire point of terrorism is make the target population fearful and act irrationally. Why have we given them that victory? I agree with Obama — put an end to that nonsense now and get on with our lives. We’ll save more lives by focusing our attention of the real dangers we face.

In this elected day of age, arn’t the GOP supposed to be irrelevent?

You might remember that the country had a referendum on the GOP point of view last November and the GOP point of view was soundly defeated. If anything has put us at risk, it was the GOP’s inability to eliminate Ben L. and his boys.

I am very upset that Obama is closing Guatanamo Bay. I thought we could send a few of the executives from Wall Street, Banking Industry, Gettelfinger, Rumsfeild, Ayers, Pelosi, Dodd, Reid, Franks all to the 5 star hotel there at Guatanamo Bay.

Closing Gitmo doesn’t mean we release them without trial or question. Gitmo has come to stand for torture in many people’s minds. Move them to some other military prison and give them a trial. You can say they aren’t citizens and aren’t entitled to a trial, but one of the things the U.S. has had pride about for years is that we give everyone a fair trial. We give foreign nationals trials when they break our laws and they aren’t citizens. If these guys are truly guilty, then a trial shouldn’t scare anyone.

Pennsylvania keeps electing this guy? Seriously?

Sammy – you wrote “We could send them all to Texas. Afterall, Bush lives there and he created the problem. Besides, Texas likes executing prisoners.”…PLEASE realize that not ALL Texans support W and the death penalty. Believe it or not, some of us (especially those of us in Austin) are actually quite open minded and progressive. Go check out a map of blue vs red and you will see that Austin and central Texas is an island of blue in a sea of red. In fact, the lament I have heard so often recently is that the only regret we have in W leaving Washington is that he is coming back to Texas. (sigh)

Bad things have happened to prisoners at every prison. Innocent people have occasionally been sent to prison. So, I guess we should shut down ALL prisons.
Clinton turned a blind eye to terrorist threats. Bush was obsessed with it. How will Obama handle it?

Looks like Obama is starting out just the way that I thought that he would. He cares less about the average joe. I guess that all of the efforts the armed forces put forth in apprehending these terrorist on the battle field was all for nothing. Now the terrorist can return to fight against us again and again. What a loser. And we got 4 more years to put up with this clown. He has no idea what is right.

Are the Gitmo Terrorists more dangerous than Bush and Cheney? Bush and Cheney are responsible for the deaths of more innocent people than the Terrorists are. Bush and Cheney have done more damage to the U.S. than the Terrorists could ever hope to do. If the U.S. can handle the risk of Bush and Cheney on our soil, the Terrorists are no problem.

It comical how everyone cares what the rest of the world thinks about us considering they didn’t have a 9/11. We are supposed to care what france thinks? If it wasn’t for us, the germans would be walking them around with leashes. Give me a break. A black eye to the world? Then let the rest of the world solve everyone else’s problems. Get a spine tree huggers!

Mr. Chavez, when did you change your name to Sammy?

Matt, Todd, GladTheyCan, etc: You are all guilty of the same flawed thinking: 1) Many of those held have not been accused of taking part in any terrorist activity. You can keep calling “them” terrorists, but it’s not accurate. 2) That’s not even the point. They need to be afforded Geneva Convention rights, because that’s what a nation with MORALS does. It might be inconvenient to stick to principles sometimes, but failing to do so makes us lose credibility. If we can’t convict some of them, we must release them back into the wild. Some of them will likely conspire against us, but we can handle that. It’s not like there aren’t 10′s of thousands of extremists conspiring against us already. a few dozen more really won’t matter very much. If we have high profile terrorist leaders (I think we might have one or two), I’m sure we can build a case against those individuals. The point is, this is the price of running a nation that believes in FREEDOM (you do understand that word means freedom for everyone, right?) Your reasoning is flawed because you assume that everyone held at Gitmo is a proven terrorist, which is completely untrue, and you think 9/11 gives us a justification for “cutting corners” on our own moral standards. It doesn’t.

Who said anything about mercy toward Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? The man is freely admitting he was responsible for 9/11. He’s saying it at trial. Looks like he will go to prison and giving him a trial did not put the U.S. at risk. But I don’t think the guy who drove Bin Laden’s car should be judged as harshly provided that was all he did. Many in the world think Bush is a war criminal. Following that logic, any Secret Service agent who drove the limo would be put in prison without trial. Doesn’t make sense.

They’re going to relocate the gitmo prisoners to the Republican terrorist training camps in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. Where they’ll be provided with 72 child virgins from either their Church’s in Utah or from their nearest Catholic church, depending on the prisoners sexual preference, re-educate them politically and then teach them how to blow up government buildings in Oklahoma’ kill doctors and nurse’s at family planning centers around the nation or eliminate striking workers and their families. A select few will be trained in anthrax mailing.

Who said anything about mercy toward Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? The man is freely admitting he was responsible for 9/11. He’s saying it at trial. Looks like he will go to prison and giving him a trial did not put the U.S. at risk. But I don’t think the guy who drove Bin Laden’s car should be judged as harshly provided that was all he did. Many in the world think Bush is a war criminal. Following that logic, any Secret Service agent who drove the limo would be put in prison without trial. Doesn’t make sense.
Posted by: Catherine
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Catherine…what’s criminal is people are dumb enough to think GW Bush is a war criminal. Why don’t we more Bin Ladens driver to your town. Any daughters looking for a boyfriend?

This article is a waste of time. Of course the Grand Old Party is complaining. The Republicans are losing there beloved Guantanamo. Hey, Republicans, your days of fear mongering and scare tactics are over! Of course they’re complaining. They’re going to complain about every little thing Obama does.

I am so proud that our President is keeping his word to return our country to Constitutional and international law by his first actions as President.
By the way, why are we still in Cuba?

>Give the terrorists to Murtha.
>>>>>> LOL I agree. How about using feathers to do some serious tickle torture. ROFL. Wonder when the first deaths will occur related to this dumb idea.
Earl
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depending on the prisoners sexual preference, re-educate them politically and then teach them how to blow up government buildings in Oklahoma’ kill
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Thats when they can call themselves true democrats like Bill Ayers. Obama and Richard Daleys good buddy.

ABC you need to pull this story. The honeymoon isn’t over. The only thing this order irks is the stupid Republicans.

brokercooper: “these “prisoners” we speak of were caught in the act of trying to kill our troops”
No, that is simply not true of many of them. If they were caught in the act, then there should be no problem convicting legally, right?

The problem isn’t the location, it’s the detainees. Remember in Hamdan v Rumsfeld back in 2006, the Supreme court ruled that these particulars are not POW’s and are not subject to the Geneva convention.
Congress needs to write a process in the UCMJ that pertains to third parties picked up on the battlefield, like the Court asked. Bush tried twice using existing laws and got shot down both times.
Congress was too concerned with the upcoming elections and Democrats winning a majority STILL haven’t addressed this.
What to do, what to do?

The local news here in San Diego said that our local military bases are on Obama’s “short list” as to where to transfer the Gitmo prisoners. Great, send them here so you can be the hero who shut down Gitmo!

Why isn’t Rush L in jail for drug abuse? Oh that is right, he is white and rich and republican. According to Bush drugs fuel the terrorism and the kind of drugs he used are made from poppies just like in afghanistan.

Folks, please understand that this is simply window dressing. He is not stopping torture, secret prisons, rendition flights. He is closing Gitmo a holder of 250 inmates. AND it will not be closed for a year. Plenty of time for another false flag terror act just like 9/11 and reason to keep Gitmo going. I am against the torture and secret prisons — Not in America’s name!

It’s my understanding that none of the Gitmo detainees were mirandized so they’d likely be released on that little technicality alone when our fame whoring US lawyers get on their defense teams.

brokercooper: I don’t know if you noticed, but we voted down backwoods redneck thinking a couple of months ago. Yes, it IS important what other nations think, that’s why our founding fathers used the phrase, “a decent respect for the opinions of mankind.” You might want to do some reading and see what that phrase meant to them. You also should remember that France, Germany and most of the world was very supportive of us after 9-11, until we decided we were going to invade the wrong country. Finally, your smear against France isn’t particularly accurate: It would be just as true to say that had it not been for France, we wouldn’t be a nation at all, since they gave us invaluable help during the revolutionary war. Now go say three Hail Marys, spend a couple of years studying history, and sin no more.

Why would anyone worry about terrorist detainees in our prison system? We have the Aryan Brotherhood, the Mexican Mafia, and god knows how many other homegrown gangs with tentacles outside the prison system that are a daily threat to us, and you GOP idiots are concerned with terrorists? Yeah, not in your back yard! What should we do, teach them Spanish first?

It seems that a lot of people on this message board are worried that the ex-detainees would be afforded constitutional rights if brought on US soil. I just want to remind you that the Constitution enshrines basic HUMAN RIGHTS. Certain decencies (right to speedy trial, right to confront your accusers, etc.) are afforded to all mankind – it just depends on the government, whether they respect it or not

Our civilian courts cannot even competently handle theft cases correction without creating a circus. Can you imagine incompetent juries dealing with international terrorists in small towns? How will they find a jury of “peers” for them under the constitution? Does Miranda rights apply to them? Do these terrorists get other constitutional protections designed for US citizens? This is a dumb move by Obama. Political move that sacrifices American security. Can we say Jimmy Carter is back in office to placate the terrorists?

jock59801 | Jan 22, 2009 2:57:28 PM
That requires a terrorist attack to happen against YOU first. Even Obama said the other day that was unacceptable. He also said some of the evidence they do have can’t be used under criminal guidelines.
What to do, what to do?

Isn’t it strange how everyone knows SO much and has an opinion…based on what? What you read or heard in the media. I think our decision makers have more and better access to info (CIA and others) upon which to base their opinions than those opininated people who base their remarks on unfounded info. Our leaders may appear to be but they aren’t really stupid!

1. America should think about what other countries think about it…thats the reason why more than 50% voted for Obama
2. The RULE OF LAW exists for everyone. You are innocent until proven guilty. The people who have been locked up unfairly, may now be greater threats to the US. But I guess Obama will be blamed for letting them out..not Bush for putting them there.
3. Where is Osama Bin Laden? Why is it that no other country wants to be involved? Because of the way the US has been handling the situation. TORTURING???
I’m sure Obama will not just let them out on the streets. But something needs to be done. Saddam got a trial..so does the rest of the so-called terrorists.
UK suffered 7/7 and did not arrest anyone without trial. Learn from it.

Now the terrorists will have the right to never ending appeals, the right to a jury of “peers” (i.e. other terrorists), nice hotel room like cells with TV and good food, exercise time, ability to get a college degree and other rights in civilian jails. Obama has no idea what he is doing.

Just say NO- And you think it was right to waterboard someone by not even putting them to trial? God forbid, let something like that happen to you and lets see how you react.

“I think the first thing we have to remember is that we’re talking about terrorists here,” Boehner said Thursday.
If he can say that, then there is NO PROBLEM AT ALL bringing them into the US. Our constitutional court system had no trouble at all dealing with Timothy McVeigh, and I think he qualifies as a militant terrorist.

“I think the first thing we have to remember is that we’re talking about terrorists here,” Boehner said Thursday.
Well, actually, they may be ACCUSED terrorists, because they haven’t been found guilty of anything yet. If the claimed 60-odd recidivist “terrorists” actually did return to terrorism after their release, then maybe they should have been tried, found guilty and kept in prison.
These are just human beings, no different from any other prisoner held for violent crime, and they would not be any more a danger in a U. S. prison that at Gitmo.
The MAIN point, which is disgraceful to reject, is that habeas Corpus DOES apply to them: The Constitution (Article I) says, “The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.”
Now, with possibly one exception, none of the Gitmo prisoners were Americans or even on American soil, so they definitely were not “in rebellion”; likewise, they were captured overseas, not on U. S. soil, so they were not engaged in “invasion”. There is NO justification not to have tried them during the Bush II years!
Mr. Boehner seems to have learned from Bush, who has dragged him away from the Constitution into George III’s old demesne. Let’s get over this, and start acting like Republicans, again!

According to our Defense Department, only 5% of the detainees were captured by United States forces. 86% of the detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and turned over to United States custody. This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance were handed over to the United States at a time in which the United States offered large bounties for capture of suspected enemies.
How accurate could some of these arrrest have been when we were offering large bounties? Especially considering how poor these regions are.
I’m all for terrorists being arrested and tried, if there is evidence. I’m not okay with people rounded up without evidence. That isn’t what our country stands for.

What about the rights of the unborn? Liberals want to protect the terrorists, but don’t care about the rights of an unborn child? Amazing.

It is not just Republicans. Many are labeling those opposed to this as “republicans”. The majority of Americans want Gitmo to stay open. They don’t want to be soft on terrorism. It is the single uniting issue for Americans. Obama really screwed up here.

In June 1942, a small team of German soldiers landed on the east coast. They landed with the intent of conducting sabotage operations against the USA. Within a week they were caught, shortly after these individuals were tried by a military court as spies; all but one was executed. This is the way a nation keeps itself safe. Obama, with one quick swipe of a pen, just helped out future terrorists. I couldn’t image what would happen if Obama was the President during WWII.

Anyone who opposes closing Gitmo now….tell us your vision of the future of that center. How long do you detain without trial? When does it end? How many more people? What if we detain so many we run out of room? How long do we keep this expensive center open that averts the basic law of our land? When can we put you in there?
I see no future in keeping it open.

What would happen if the Republicans get something worse than Watergate revealed?Perhaps America has a “black site” within it’s borders?How about a trail of money involving the previous adminsistration and the National Repuclican Congressional Committee?How about the the Republican Right getting their dirty laundry smeared all over the world?Wouldn’t that be a funny sight?

HUSSEIN Obama shows his true colors. “Let MY people Go”

Destroy the terrorists says: “Morality ultimately is based on reciprocity.”
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Not in my dictionary or in my Bible. That’s just a cop out. Jesus said we are only as good as how we treat the least of us. Where was the reciprocity for his acts of morality? I just don’t know what they’re teaching in churches these days.

Put all terrorists on a big ship on it’s voyage accidentally sink it!

Buzziea. I assume you are totally willing to take these fine upstanding terrorists in your community. I’m sure you can convince them not to cut your head off.

The reason why is won’t be closed for one year is that we have until that time to place them in foreign countries. I don’t think they were ever going to get assylum in the U.S. I think the reaction is a little silly.

Obamamama: Even your morality is ultimately based on reciprocity whether you realize it or not. It has been proven by modern philosophers. Nevertheless, these terrorists do not deserve American civil liberties rserved for citizens. They will not give you the same rights if you were captured by them. Remember Daniel Pearl and the countless number of others?

i love the one comment that said “Don’t be rediculous, almost half of those detained are only suspected terrorist” O.K., So that means the other half ARE terrorist, and they too will be let loose. All you people preaching about the “Fear mongering republicans”, you will be the first ones to open your doesn’t make any sense mouths when they are let loose and then subsaquently start doing terrorist bombings in our country!!! If you are so sure they are only “suspects” I say you offer up your home to them, show them what a true American you are!

These terrorists would have gotten military trials and many have had them in Gitmo. There is no reason to give them civilian trials in the USA. Obama is acting politically here rather than in the interest of U.S.

justsaying9: Just an observation about two of Obama’s first priorities – terrorist protection & National Freedom of Choice.

I can understand the way Obama is thinking by closing the prison before hand, it’s more a statement to the American people and the world. And maybe a year is too long. But at least it’s a deadline to meet. Closing the base first forces them to decide what to do next. Would you rather they sat around arguing about how to proceed with everyone breathing down their necks
I think closing the base means noone else will be sent there.

someone explain to me why MILITARY TRIALS are not enough for these terrorrist scums?

We should all praise Jack Murtha! Jack wants the terrorists in Pennsylvania. PA would be a great place to house these “hate America” killers. PA folks just voted Jack back in and should be commended for that.

I can’t say I disagree with this. In his haste to overturn All Things Bush, Obama needs to be very careful that he doesn’t step too far in the other direction. This is one instance where “I don’t want them in my backyard” really does apply. Having said that, President Obama DOES need to do something about Gitmo. He needs to send a clear message to the world that torture will not be tolerated and that these men will be tried in court and given due process. I’m just not sure that he needs to close Gitmo to do that.

Arguing that we cannot safely hold these people on American soil and try them in the US court system only burnishes the myth that these are supermen to those who support them and makes the US look impotent. Instead, we should diminish their stature to that of common criminals. So much of the “war on terror” has achieved the opposite of what should be our goals.

WASHINGTON, D.C. — With President Barack Obama already taking action relating to the U.S. prison Guantanamo Bay on his first full day in office, Americans are sending no clear mandate on the issue. Slightly more think the United States should not close the prison than say it should, 45% to 35%

he took the easy way out, close before he decided what to do with them. I say a new prison over that nuculer waste site in
nv. is as good as any

brokercooper: not true. We had already forced Saddam to re-allow weapons inspectors. They were on the ground in Iraq at the time. Saddam was playing a cat-and-mouse game with them because he knew we were embedding CIA operatives with the “inspection” teams, attempting to destabilize and overthrow him, but he had no choice, and would have HAD to continue to allow the teams. There’s every reason to believe that continued pressure of the type that forced him to allow the teams to return would have 1) prevented WMDs from being developed and 2) avoided 500,000 Iraqi deaths.
As for anyone being “against freedom” don’t be ridiculous. Bush only decided that he had actually meant to “spread freedom” when they found no WMDs. I didn’t see him “spreading freedom” in
Indonesia, or China, or anywhere else for that matter. Don’t kid yourself. It has never been our obligation to invade foreign lands who have brutal dictators and overthrow them. In fact, we’re actually better known for installing or supporting such people.

Are people that insecure about how safe prisons are in mainland america?? He is closing the facility, NOT letting them all run loose in the country.
Take off your paranoia caps. Ohh wait, thats what all the republicans love to wear anyways.

These terrosrists came from Pakistan and Afghanistan, so they SHOULD NOT be released into the U.S. If they are released in the U.S., they should be given housing near the W.H. and nowhere else in the country. if Obama isn’t afraid of them, let HIM have them for neighbors.

They’re citing a recent Pentagon estimate finding that some 61 detainees released from Gitmo have rejoined the fight against the United States and its allies… Funny, I’m going with lock somebody up for years and then just let them go can rather give them some attitude?

Camp50 – no need for us to bash Bush for everything anymore…. now we can bash all of Bush’s supporters – like you!

By closing the base first, Obama is minimalizing the scale of the problem.
Let’s see, he intends to close the prison so let’s keep sending prisoners there to make it that much harder when they decide what to do with them. So that would be like, Oh no the levees have broke, so lets’s pump out the water first. LMAO, all that criticism yet no alternative as to how to fix it.

What is more appalling than closing GITMO is that The One has asked for and received from a federal judge a stay in the prosecution of all GITMO detainees. In my opinion, the executive branch of government has no right to step into the judicial branch until after conviction. This sets a very dangerous precedence. Why the press is not covering this issue baffles me….

Said House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va.: “Actively moving terrorists inside our borders weakens our security.”….. Um, we can’t handle making sure these “terrorists” stay locked up? What? They’re all going to gain super power strength and all get loose at once and harm us? Yo Eric – We voted fearmongering out of office. Did you miss that memo?

just saying9…… we were embedding CIA operatives? Arent the weapons inspectors provided by the United Nations? You know, where all the countries come to vote on stuff that is completely irrelevant because regardless of the vote nobody does anything anyway? And saddam was playing cat and mouse… so we were supposed to allow this for another 50 years? and CIA operatives were being embedded because you work for the CIA and know this? And bush only used spreading freedom after no wmd’s were found? But wasn’t this WMD theory supported by the intelligence of many countries and not just the U.S.? do those other countries harbor any responsibility or just the U.S. because we acted on the intelligence like a responsible country would? And out of the 1/2 million iraqis you claim have been killed in this war, how many would you say were killed by terrorists blowing up cars, bridges, buildings, without even caring if civilians were around? I mean the guys we are trying to kill have decapitated thousands of their own people in the streets.. i dont understand your thinking on this.

Susan, did you know that when the report was examined the Pentagon counted those as rejoining the fight if they publicly criticized the U.S.? Can you imagine being held in prison for years when you are innocent and not complaining about your jailers when you are released?
I would really like to see the details of those 61, what they actually did to make the list.

JM- There’s always a difference between being safe and eyeing every person (read: non white, middle eastern, you know the drill) you see as a terrorist.
GWB played on this, and invaded Iraq. Tell me, did they even find ONE wmd in there? No. And what the end result? Thousands of dead innocent civilians, and their relatives who are baying for some revenge. Now isn’t that just a shitpool?

Oh man, way to get back to the principal this country was founded on! Alright! You GOPers cant even last two days..how are you going to make it though the next 8 years? I feel sorry for you…not!

Keep them at Bush’s house. At least then, he can finally say he did something for the country!

well i think the gop are terrorists and should be sent to gitmo until they can prove they are not!!!!!!!

brokercooper: I don’t care where you are in your personal life. Your words have only the credibility that they convey, and yours are weak. You make silly assumptions about the reasons the prisoners were sent to Guantanamo, but you ignore some very good possibilities. For example, if a prisoner was deemed likely to be a source of information (because he was the brother, or driver, or spiritual advisor, of a suspected terrorist) he’d be sent to Gitmo for the high level interrogation teams that were there. In any case, you continue to assume, contrary to logic, that we have provable cases against the remaining detainees, when such is most likely not true, because they would have been prosecuted by now, especially given that the military trials are looser on evidentiary rules. Next, you continue to ignore the fact that the Geneva conventions are to apply to non-U.S. citizens. Finally, where’s my answer for my hypothetical? What are you going to tell the family of the drive-by victim? Can’t you admit that your reasoning was flawed?

PArrothead, if these detainees were found with terrorists then the US should have no problem bringing them to trial…oh wait are you just drinking the Kool-aid? You really have no idea do you. The right to a fair trial is just as important as your love for the right to bear arms. Its the principals this country was built on. I feel like an American again! If these detainees are found guilty, then by all means lock them up for life. The shame of it all is, I can see someone who was first innocent but detained for years, I wouldnt blame them for hating the US and wanting to blow it up. Its perfectly reasonable. If a foreign country held me against my will and I was really innocent, i would hate that country and wish it harm.

The only thing appalling here is listening to a bunch of retards who live under the umbrella of the civil liberties that they think are ok to break in order to defend them.

Saint Genesius: Man you said it! I agree and second your comments 100%.
to repeat your words because they ring SO TRUE:
“Seriously, does moving these guys inside our borders REALLY damage our security?
You know, that sounds an awful lot like scare tactics to me. The same sort of old fashioned politics the GOP has used forever. Exactly the same kind of “the sky is falling” rhetoric that voters soundly rejected in November.
If closing that blight, the Gitmo Prison, and moving those prisoners onto US soil is really going to be such a security problem then I want the money back. I want the money back I and other taxpayers have paid for the Department of Homeland Security. I want the money back that we have spent building new prisons so we can incarcerate more people than any other nation. I want the money back we have spent beefing up border security and building a police state to “protect” us.
And while you are at it, I want liberty, freedom and AMERICA back, too.
–Give Me Liberty Or I’ll Get Up And Take It Myself–”

Amber- Funny how you contradict yourself. if they are indeed War criminals, let them rot in Hague. Not off an island, where anything goes..even if you are not proven guilty!!!

Janice is right–The British wished we’d fought by their “civilized” rules back in 1776….

by moving those people onto american soil isn’t the president telling the families who lost loved ones to a terrorist attack that their deaths meant nothing?

Morris X. Robinowitzochowski – What do you mean, OBAMA has requested a stay??? The Bush Administration has been promising to give these poor souls a hearing for SEVEN YEARS. Even the Bible does not permit a person to be thus held for that long! Obama is merely asking that his administration be given time to ensure that hearings are conducted in a fair and CONSTITUTIONAL manner. Or is the Constitution important to you anymore… or ever?
“Throw a stick into a pack of dogs, and the one it hits will yelp!”

Tell these Republican a$$holes to shut their traps and take a fying leap. We the people spoke what we wanted in the elction and President Obama is following through. These Republicans are Obstructionists and always divisive no matter what. They are sick people!!!!! Two can play their game and they will loose and it won’t be pretty. Same to Cornyn – find a way to bing this old boy back to Texas for good.

Obama is not officially one terrorist attack from being a one term president.

Jordan,
The prisoners do not have US Constitutional Rights. I’d hold these guys forever and let them rot. That’s what the French did to Napoleon.

Obama is NOW officially one terrorist attack from being a one term president.

Enough with the culture of FEAR…PLEASE!

Go Barry release them all. These are all good people. Have them move to washington and live right around the corner from where your children go to school. Bush is the evil one. GOP die die die. Wow now i know what its like to feel like a liberal

Well I don’t know Amber. Perhaps he’s telling them that America won’t turn into something we can be less than proud of finally. If they’re terrorists then we can try them and put them away. Tell me, what are we afraid of here? Actually having to prove something? Do you honestly think that is what America should stand for? We can’t allow our government to run some shadow prison and hold themselves to no standards or checks. I’ve read entirely too many stories of too many ending up over there because some enemy Arab sold them out with bogus lies. This is why we need some safeguards. Remember – these people did not do 9/11.

THERE WAS ONLY ONE PERSON THAT WAS EVER TORTURED AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY LIVES THAT MAY HAVE SAVED. HOW CAN SO MANY PEOPLE BE SO IGNORANT. THE MASTER MIND OF 9/11 IS IN GITMO DO YOU REALLY WANT HIM IN YOUR BACK YARD? THAT COULD BE A HUGE TARGET FOR THOSE THAT HATE US. I WONDER WHAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE FOR SOME OF YOU TO REALIZE THAT THESE PEOPLE HATE US. WE HAVE NEVER FOUGHT A WAR ON TERROR SO OUR LEADERS DID THE BEST THEY COULD UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES TO KEEP YOU IDIOTS SAFE. BUT I GUESS YOU ARE SO FILLED WITH HATE YOU’LL NEVER SEE THE TRUTH.

Amber, the problem is how can you preach human rights to other countries around the world when you yourself can’t even practice the ones you swear by. They may not be American citizens, but the prison is run by America, it’s America’s values that are at stake there. If you don’t believe in “an eye for an eye”, than how can you take one?

Posted by: Christine | Jan 22, 2009 2:56:56 PM
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RE: Putting the Gitmo prisoners in San Diego…I’m against that. These guys have been in a tropical climate far too long…Put them in the Midwest or Alaska (where they can look out their windows and see Russia!)

Don’t you guys know that GWB started the war by intentionally causing 9/11? Those buildings and planes were dynomited and the people killed to start this war. Just like another war was faught in WWII. Remember Pearl Harbor? Rosevelt did know that we were going to be under attack and did nothing as he wanted them to attack us first so we could enter the war. Wake up People!

Saddam Hussein never offered justice to his people. He murdered at will…thousands…including raping young women in “perfume palace” and then dumping them and their civic records into the dirt when they were too old and worn for this henchmen.
interesting you liberals hate Bush for bringing democracy there.
now you want to potentially release terrorists via mistrials, jury tampering etc.

I really like Dale Connors response…..

Nobel you are right. Bin Laden has been laughing since we left him alone and attacked Iraq.

When are some of you republican’s going to ponder how future recruitment might play into our safety as well? Because of this we do need to show some standard maybe?

“amber” – the Constitution DOES NOT apply only to CITIZENS: it applies to EVERYTHING done by or in the Name of the United States or any of the Several States! Every visitor to our shores – whether legal or not – is protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Otherwise, one of your former boyfriends could accuse you of being an illegal immigrant, get your thrown in jail, and you might NEVER prove any different!

same to you Jim. Go to zeigchrist.com and see and read all about it.

This is Republican grandstanding that will make their far right base happy but most other people are never going to know about it. And that Bill. It will never make it into committee let alone the house floor.

As all of you can see the House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio and other Republicans in his party are still practicing politics as usual. It’s the Republican Party job to challenge every decision of our new Command and Chief – President Barrack “Husain” Obama makes. House Majority Leader John Boehner comments didn’t include the part about 1 YEAR TO CLOSE GUANTANAMO. I am sure our new capable President will have time to plan where to place the terrorist and complete the closure process of Guantanamo. People; it’s time to stop falling for the old scar tactic politics the Republicans have used for decades to get Americans to support there cause. Bush used it to start two wars and nearly destroy our American way of life.

Amber, the problem is how can you preach human rights to other countries around the world when you yourself can’t even practice the ones you swear by. They may not be American citizens, but the prison is run by America, it’s America’s values that are at stake there. If you don’t believe in “an eye for an eye”, than how can you take one?
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I agree with you, we should not be preaching our way of life to anyone but at the same time when you have a country that kills women for being raped or China who is going to execute 2 of the people involved in the tainted milk scandal then I think there is a problem.
No one country should tell another how to run but that doesn’t mean we should do any business with them. Even if that means we pay a higher price for some products

justsaying9.. let me get this straight, this is what you replied to my post….. “You make silly assumptions about the reasons the prisoners were sent to Guantanamo, but you ignore some very good possibilities. For example, if a prisoner was deemed likely to be a source of information (because he was the brother, or driver, or spiritual advisor, of a suspected terrorist”.. hahah aren’t your list of very good possibilities your ASSUMPTIONS AS WELL????? I’ll ASSUME that our military decided who was to go to guantanamo on information they had on them and leave it at that.

what do you mean we LEFT BIN LADEN ALONE?????
we decimated Al Queda’s Org chart over the past 8 years.

Someone used terrorists and rights in the same sentence…laughable! If eliminating terrorists rights makes our country safer then eliminate their rights. Why the hell would we want terrorists or suspected terrorists within our borders anyway…this is outrageous! Even the Govenor of Kansas said to close Gitmo down, but don’t bring them to Kansas!

ADI wrote: “Craig- Bush brought democracy to Iraq? Heck, if GWB was so bothered about the world, why the heck turn a blind eye towards Darfur? Or Congo? Oh yes, no barrels of oil there, I forgot.”
How has the oil in Iraq benefited us?

Dale Connors: You have a good suggestion there, and one not without precedent. Remember what happened to Robert E. Lee’s wife’s kitchen garden? President Lincoln needed some land for a place to bury civil war dead: Arlington National Cemetery. How about the Crawford Homeland Security Detention Center? Well, we can’t just go taking without a court hearing and a cause…

Given the tone and specifics of their comments, I wonder how those opposed would have reacted to the Emancipation Proclamation!

It’s great to see Obama unwind the criminal scourge of Bush. We are thankfully returning to our founding principles. Bedwetting little Bush fascists can’t admit that Gitmo is a terrorist factory and nothing more.

Excuse, but there a thing called the Constitution and part of it is Habeas Corpus. I don’t get what part of “innocent until proven guilty” is not understood? Is the part about trial before your peers? Or perhaps something about evidence gained through torture? Or maybe it’s that the Constitution does not differentiate between US Citizens and others — only the Bushies on the supreme court do that.
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WOW consitutional rights are OUR american rights not the accused terrorists incarcerated at Gitmo, they are accused of WAR crimes and will be tried (hopefully before it is closed) by a WAR crimes court NOT an american court system

Texas’ residents have presented a clear and present danger to America for 12 years.

Build a jail next to the White House and put them there.

amber, whatever you do, don’t EVER take a trip abroad… not even to Canada or Northern Mexico.

Adi wrote “Given the tone and specifics of their comments, I wonder how those opposed would have reacted to the Emancipation Proclamation!”
Please tell me your just joking

But those folks down in Gitmo are just misunderstood. If we just got to know them better, they’d like us and we’d like them and everything would be fine. We just need to stop being so gosh darn mean. Then they’d stop being so gosh darn mean. This is so simple, I don’t know why it’s so difficult to translate this into national policy.

The J- yes I am, coz i didnt write that.

The plain truth is that the vast majority of Gitmo detainees had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. If they where fighting with the Taliban, and the Taliban are the ennemy of the US, then they should be held as prisoners of war.

bear: Here we go again. Terrorists get locked up, once it’s proven that they are terrorists. Until you prove they’re terrorists, they’re people and they have rights. Is that so hard to understand? Nobody wants to give terrorists rights, we simply want to make sure that we don’t take them away from people who haven’t been proven to be terrorists.

He said to give it a year…..that gives breathing room for both sides of the issue. Gitmo isn’t going to close tomorrow; and there’s still loopholes that it won’t close in a year either.
Sign an order – fulfill a campaign promise – but leave enough wiggle room to deal with the reality of the situation. Good Chicago move. Very smooth.

my fault, should have credited that gem to walterczw, my apologies

skyking1 : Your excellent recitation of facts demonstrates once again one of the guiding principles or mantras of the Bush Administration and sadly of so many who call themselves Republicans: “If you tell a bald-faced lie over and over many times, it will eventually come to be accepted by some as truth.”

Mac so glad you feel that way maybe we should let them move in with you.

I just want to point out a typo… this article lists John Boehner as House Majority Leader…. he is the Minority Leader.

I agree with the President. All of the detainees have been held long enough now. Charge and convict or let them go back to where they came from.
The Bush era is over now! Let the change begin!

This knee-jerk reaction brings up a multitude of questions. Where will these people be imprisoned until trials are completed? I read that Murtha has agreed to take them, but is that safe for the people in that area? Pretty stupid to have occurred with the slip of a pen, without some study to carry this out efficiently and effectively.

Morris X. Robinowitzochowski: “The prisoners do not have US Constitutional Rights”??? Clearly, Morris, you have NEVER actually read the Constitution of the United States.

Where was the republican outrage when 60 were released while Bush was president?
Obama is right to close Gitmo & he’s doing it in a responsible manner.
The republicans trampling the rule of law caused this mess & it’s going to take time to clean it up.
The executive order did have options to transfer any terrorist to other maximum security facilities.
There are some innocent people in Gitmo & we cannot continue to ignore it.

Brian Levine – um, in case you missed it, Clinton did NOT ignore terrorist threats. In fact, his administration successfully caught and prosecuted those responsible for the attack on the world trade center that happened on his watch. Too bad Bush couldn’t do the same for all his drunken boasting.
It was a Republican White House and Congress that failed to protect the nation on 9/11. ALWAYS remember that.

I think they should release the terrorists to Compton, California with the bloods and crips.

Here we go back to party line cat fights. That’s why nothing serious ever gets resolved in Washington. I did not support Obama and I don’t like to see him on TV – I can’t stand the ‘first lady’ hoever he is the POTUS and it is time we stop the bickering in DC and we try to resolve the probelms facing this country – terorism, economy, foreclosures, unemployment, no respect from the world etc etc. It is time to close Gitmo – it’s time we stpe out of Iraq and win the Afganistan war, is time we remember how US used to be the beacon of hope for the world. We must get back to that and closing Gitmo is a good first step. Catch Osama Binladen and then worry about the insignificat few held in gitmo.

For those who are comparing smoking deaths to terrorist attacks, there is no logical comparison.
Those of us whose choose to smoke are making a choice…it may be death and it may not.
Those who have died as victims of terrorist attacks did not have this choice.
Stop with the anti-smoking campaign…we are tired of hearing it.

Dont blame me. I voted McCain. You havent seen nothing yet!

Yeah Libbies,
Obama is going to unwind all these legal intricacies with perfection (to the world’s satisfaction – considering that many nations are just looking to criticize us at every opportunity — and in this sense you will find their ‘love’ of Obama was just a farce), and do so in just a few months with No Possibility of these Terrorists attacking us, or providing useful info to our enemies etc., etc., etc..
In your Infantile Dreams.

Not all these people are terrorists! Most have done nothing but be Muslim! They have been detained for years without due process. They are not POW’s. The Bush admin. actually started letting some go weeks ago, because they knew the had no evidence or reason to hold them. Be very careful, under the Patriot act you to can be declared an emeny combatant and held indefinately!

Just another shoot from the hip decision like the first bailout and surly like the upcoming stimulus package will be. Theme of government… let’s make hasty decisions with no clear thought behind them. this goes for both Republicans and Democrats.

Sluggo – people in New York and Washington, DC are better than you – richer, better looking, harder working, smarter, better educated, sexier, hipper, etc. – that’s why they live at the heart of our culture and you’re stuck in some pathetic, forgotten backwater, waving your fist like somebody cares. LOL
People in New York, DC, California, etc. are elites for a reason. They earned it. You didn’t. Have a great life, you hill billy loser.
ROFL LMAO

Obama is right. We need to show the world we are on their side. He says these detainees are practically innocent. We definitely need to free them. Trigger happy military want to keep them down. We also need to compensate them for their wrongful incarceration.

sounds like mrsleepy is a Democratic moron!

nospin1600,
Sorry but it’s you who is not thinking clearly. Obama is standing up for the constitution as it’s founded. Bush was standing for facism.
Hang the terrorists, take away their rights, but just do it legally.. how hard is that to understand?

As I go through and read these comments I realize that these writers, myself included, are probably clueless as to what is really going on at Guantanamo and other such secretive places. We are, in all probabilty, mostly clueless about what HAD BEEN GOING ON, as well–thanks to a secretive government that had no trust in its people to inform them of the truth. This is why we can say anything about the matter, think anything about the matter, and take any righteous stand we want to about the matter in our own blissful way–and we do.
God bless, you, pilgrims, and God bless me too!

what Obama should really do is use the current corrupted system to brand all of the republican “terrorists”… then detain and torture them for years without trial.
We’ll see how good all you mini facists feel about the system then.

Conservitive republicans want to stop abortions so the unwanted kids can be made enough when they grow up to steal the assult weapons and shoot up schools. Something to think about while you protect the rights of others..

I think it’s kind of cute that Republicans still believe that people care what they think about anything.
Nice try, losers, but you had your chance to run things and you blew it SPECTACULARLY! If you don’t like it, go build a time machine and try to undo your massive failures of the last 8 years.
Loser Republicans! Nobody cares what you think about anything anymore!

What an idiot!

Katie Doherty,
You must live a sorry life, But again you should youre a democrate. Get life, and get a job. Shut your pie hole loser!

Other more reliable news agencies are reporting that Iran has been caught smuggling arms into Iraq and the crew admits it!! Where is the story here? Protecting the king are we not?

John Boehner is *not* the “House Majority Leader,” thank god.
He’s a has-been whose party has been kicked to the curb.

Prisons are a fertile recruiting ground jihadists (and mahdists)… as shown in US and British prisons. Be careful about putting them in federal prisons.

EZ Money – it might be easier to take your crazed rantings more seriously if you could at least read and write English at an adult level. Why are today’s Republicans such a pathetic bunch of angry, semi-literate dopes and meth-addled backwoods freaks? So very sad…

Richard Anthony is almost on the money. What it tells me is the Republicans and everyone who is ranting the terrorists will be released on Main St. have no faith in our justice system or the military. What it tells me is they think that our miltary should fight for our way of life, our democracy, and our freedom, but no one elses. If that’s what they believe, then Bush and his supporters whole premise of bringing freedom to opprosed Iraqis is totally without merit….that my friends is a huge slap at the military and in particular, the people who fought in Iraq.

Toprankingsoundbwoy; I’m convinced people live in New York because they enjoy living in stench and squalor. How’s all that bling bling working out for you anyhow?

These people need to be dealt with. They are either criminal and will be jailed for good or if they are onnocent they should be llet go. Keeping this as is will only lead to problems and anyone who thinks we should just sweep it under the rug is not being realistic. How do you think the innocent people will behave if there’s no justice for them? No one is saying let the criminals go. If there’s evidence they are guilty of course they will be jailed. What ever happened to keep your enemies closer, or do you rather they stay in Cuba. people need to start being rational and it’s sad that some have no common sense and it’s always about them and not what is right. Bin Laden is out there. He’s the one that should be behind bars. We need and must get this right so we can be safe. Obama is doing right thing and he’s the boss, now, so let him do what is right since he knows more than those who only worry about keeping them jailed regardless of the consequences if indeed any are innocent. The only way to know this to to put it on the table and allow each case to be handled as it should be. We won’t get anywhere safe by jailing people without closing the each case. It will only build resentment by the terrorists to do nothing and keep innocent people, IF THERE’S ANY INNOCENT ONES. We won’t know until this is met with.

The article says that 61 released detainees have rejoined the fight against the US. I don’t want these men in my backyard. Do you? Closing GITMO is an insult to the victims families and to all the troops that have died.

Why are we surprised, its just a Muslim looking out for his Muslim Brothers…That’s for all the fake Christians that voted for a Muslim… He’s coming for you next, I hope you know how to pray.

Jim Rod: Protecting the king? Why would it be “protecting the king” to ignore a story about Iran’s involvement in the Iraq war? Also, I don’t know who you think is “more reliable” as a news agency than ABC, but ALL of the news outlets reported on Gitmo’s closing. Doesn’t that make your post sorta meaningless?

To all you bed wetting scared bunnies – stay in bed! Let the adults handle this. the GOP scare tactics were soundly REJECTED by the voters – we won’t be cowed by your oh-so-scary- terrorists. Nobody said anything about letting scary terrorists run wild in our neighborhoods. As I recall, this is America. As such, we are supposed to follow a little thing called THE RULE OF LAW. Guantanamo is the antithesis of the rule of law. Furthermore, as has been very intelligently delineated in previous posts, many of the “scary terrorists” weren’t picked up on battlefields, they were handed in for cash by tribal rivals and dirt farmers looking to feed their family. Charge, convict, sentence. Works for all…

In admiration of so many great comments to this issue as especially to HH who posted the later message.
If you move these terrorists inside of the Country we have the manpower and ability to keep them secure within the walls. The old adage of keeping your enemies closer is the controlling factor of this decision.
Personally I think we need to create an institution in the States that predominantly voted republican like Oklahoma, my home State which was targeted by the republican machine propaganda. Let the arrogant and the ignorant republicans who supported such malfeasance & mismanagement in office now face the reckoning and responsibilities of clean up. Through this the masses might learn the lesson of “Whatever one casts into the stream of life will surely return”….

D2 – your mommy is calling. Go away. A Muslim? really? How many times do you have to be told he’s NOT A MUSLIM. Never was. How is it that you chicken hawk tyopes are such scared little bunnies with mess in your drawers?

The earlier message posted by HH I spoke of.
So the Republicans don’t want to be prosecuted for their support of Bush’s illegal and inhumane torture? What else is new. These so called “compassionate conservatives” have been so criminally involved for the past 8 years and won’t even man up to their transgressions against mankind. What slimes GOPs can be. I hope they’re out of office for many, many years to come.So the Republicans don’t want to be prosecuted for their support of Bush’s illegal and inhumane torture? What else is new. These so called “compassionate conservatives” have been so criminally involved for the past 8 years and won’t even man up to their transgressions against mankind. What slimes GOPs can be. I hope they’re out of office for many, many years to come.

richard anthony; How about 225 years. The constitution wasn’t ratified until 1784. That’s right. It took eight years to write it and 225 years to destroy it.

I say put all the ignorant Americans with the detainees in Gitmo and send them to a deserted island where they can all judge and sentence eachother without any evidence, that way their idiotic ideals can be met.

Conservative and Proud – oh give it a rest. All Republicans have ever done since Goldwater is “stereotype people based on the words of a few”. Stop whining and take the lumps that you deserve. If you cons can’t take it, then maybe you shouldn’t spend so much time dishing it out? Losers!
Decent Americans are sick to death of your lies and excuses and whining! Take some responsiblity for the deep, deep mess that your failed ideas have gotten our country into.
The rest of us don’t want to hear your excuses and rationalizations and your stale rhetoric.
All we want to hear is an apology and then for you clowns to S T F U and bow out gracefully.
Take a cue from your failed President Bush and go contemplete your failure and disgrace and shame QUIETLY!

nospin1600 & D2…for your info dipsticks, it’s called having a right to a speedy trial. Go back to the 3rd grade and learn American government and how it works….IDIOTS!!

note to self : order lots (i.e. at least 8 years worth ) of cheese for the gop ers ,to go with all the whine.
keep it up till you puke you conservative sissys ,its music to my ears.
and republican faithful you can most definitely forget about 2012 or 2016 either ,your days in the oval office are over for a LONG time….

Anyone else notice the hatred coming from primarily Democrat posters here? The name calling is just ridiculous and shows the writer’s true character.
This election has opened my eyes to who the real haters are. I will never be affiliated with any political party again since my own party left me. It’s all just smoke a mirrors.

Da Truth: I don’t think anyone ran from anything. Here’s an answer for you. FDR was wrong to imprison innocent Japanese-Americans. Lincoln not only suppressed free speech, he suspended habeas corpus, and he is rightly seen by historians has having damaged civil rights by doing these things. No liberal that belives in what our constitution stands for is going to fail to critize attacks on the constitution, regardless of which side of the aisle they come from. You resort to name-calling and irrelevant references but don’t give any justification for a fascist philosophy. Who’s the coward?

I understand the GOP, I don’t agree with them. No one never said that we should release them. We know that the have commited crimes against our nation, Go to trial, get a jury, get a verdict then hang them. But do it in the light of day not the dead of night….

Look at all the angry, pathetic 21%ers on here who still think that the rest of us sensible folks give two craps about their crazy rightwing ideas.
Don’t they understand that we are once again a functioning Democracy and that their failed Republican ideas are deeply unpopular with the vast majority of Americans?
No wonder they’re such angry losers. Maybe we need to send them to Guantanamo to be tortured themselves for them to finally understand what a bad, bad idea this was in the first place.
LOL

sick of ignorance in my own people — Last time I heard the constitution protect U.S. Citizens, so all of the U.S. citizens being held at gitmo deserve a fair and speedy trial. It is amazing how many bleeding hearts there are. Think, if one of these people we involved in the murder of your son or daughter would you be for this decision?

“”They’re citing a recent Pentagon estimate finding that some 61 detainees released from Gitmo have rejoined the fight against the United States and its allies.”"
And where will they go? Right here in our own back yard…and this makes us safer how?
Ask yourselves this question…why was this the first executive order?
Why would obama handle the needs of suspected terrorists before our own US citizens?
U. S. citizens that are NOT suspected terrorists are hurting…

nospin1600 – read the article, you moron. He intends to give them a fair and speedy trial, just like in the Constitution. If they’re proven guilty, they’ll get justice. If they’re not, they’ll be released back to their own or another country. The guilty will be punished and the innocent will be freed. How hard is that for you to understand? Why do Republicans hate the idea of fair and speedy trials so much? Why do Republicans hate justice?

Closing Gitmo Bay- With this news I am sure terroists all over the world are trembling with fear of us now.

Bob: Better yet, let’s go arrest everyone you don’t like and put them in jail! Let’s call everyone traitors if they disagree, and hey! Let’s abuse the memory of 9-11 victims with simple-minded arguments! Let’s not try people on the evidence, let’s just invoke the memory of 9-11 and keep EVERYONE in jail forever because it’s so much easier than thinking!

This is a joke. What is wrong with you liberals??

What I don’t understand is how we as Americans throw away our commitment to our own Constitution when it’s being attacked. This is a document that is the cornorstone of our democracy. Now like John did Jesus, in the face of adversity, we deny knowing her. Shame on us America. Shame on us.

Stinky Pete – Gitmo detainees that are cleared of any wrongdoing or potential threat are released overseas, and that policy will continue under Obama. Please get your facts straight.
It’s interesting how much of the opposition to this is based on false information. That seems very typical of the GOP and one more reason they lost the election.

RS: Well-spoken. I’m sure President Masharaf of Pakistan and General Pinochet of Chile and Idi Amin of Uganda, not to mention Saddam Hussein himself, would all agree with you. Fortunately, here in the good ol’ US, we have it written into our constitution that military matters will ALWAYS be overseen by civilians. It helps us avoid pesky little things like corruption, juntas, coups, fascism, etc. Feel free to move to a country where the military is above the people. Let me know how that works out for ya….

“Conservative and Proud – oh give it a rest. All Republicans have ever done since Goldwater is “stereotype people based on the words of a few”. Stop whining and take the lumps that you deserve. If you cons can’t take it, then maybe you shouldn’t spend so much time dishing it out? Losers!
Decent Americans are sick to death of your lies and excuses and whining! Take some responsiblity for the deep, deep mess that your failed ideas have gotten our country into.
The rest of us don’t want to hear your excuses and rationalizations and your stale rhetoric.
All we want to hear is an apology and then for you clowns to S T F U and bow out gracefully.
Take a cue from your failed President Bush and go contemplete your failure and disgrace and shame QUIETLY!” Posted by: Starvin Marvin
Why the hostility and nastiness? Don’t answer that – I think we all know the reason why you feel the need to be hostile. As for “my failed president” — ummm, you may not have noticed, but Bush was certainly not a conservative. We haven’t had a conservative in office since Reagan.
And if you’re looking for an apology from me – sorry. Not getting one. I have nothing to apologize for. I played no part in electing Bush or keeping him in office. I played no part in the any of the lies. I played no part in starting a war – that was your elected leaders in Congress and in the Oval office. Why not take a cue from our new president and stop focusing on the past – and certainly don’t fall into the trap of judging people you don’t know.
I have to say, one thing that Bush did that I thoroughly approve of is that he oversaw a flawless transition – he made it possible for Obama to step into that office without missing a step. YOu can blame a lot of things on Bush, but one thing you can’t blame him for is any failures or oversights on Obama’s part.

More failed ideas from the failed GOP. When will they learn. LOL

Frommer — why do you assume I am a republican? I am not. I think both parties have their flaws and have never voted “party” lines. If you think trials “fair” trials can be carried out in Obama’s time frame than good for you.. sip more of the Kool-Aid.

Steve – um, nice try, but Obama had stated he would close Gitmo over a year ago. He hardly made this decision in “two days” – try to keep up with reality, mmmkay?

Richard you are an idiot…the planning of 911 and the original heads up was under Clinton’s watch….you are an idiot…the other idiot in here that thinks Gitmo is Bush’s doing can go back to smoking more bong hits…read a history book you flaming idiot….

Posted by: evonaix Closing Gitmo Bay- With this news I am sure terroists all over the world are trembling with fear of us now.
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No, but they are watching our every move. Already they are being shown that Obama isn’t at all the same as our former tyrant as$hat Bush. Our new POTUS is winning their respect with ease.

shame on the center right that voted for this idiot….all I know, is he just lost my vote 4 years from now…

republicans = chock full of crow (but evidently theres room for one more tasty mouthful eh?)

I say let’s go ahead and give all of them to Murtha. Two passenger jets could deliver them tommorrow. Close Gitmo in the first week of this administration.

Just reading through these comments makes me realize – we have lost touch with our core American values. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Whatever happened to trial by jury? When we throw those things out, we open up even ourselves to this whole witch hunt. We’ve lost our moral compass. Bravo to Obama for having the moral certitude to do what is right – for the US, for GITMO, for the prisoners there, for the people of the world. All who have committed war crimes should be themselves subject to imprisonment.

Great. Can I call anyone who disagrees with my politics a criminal just for disagreeing with me?

“Anyone else notice the hatred coming from primarily Democrat posters here? The name calling is just ridiculous and shows the writer’s true character.
This election has opened my eyes to who the real haters are.”
Posted by: Indie Here
You are absolutely correct Indie– I agree totally.
Posted by: Da Truth | Jan 22, 2009 5:10:48 PM
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I’m sorry but what you are really experiencing is being on “that other side” and having some of it dished back. I’ve been called more names by “conservatives” on here than I can count.

Like it or not, we cannot detain people indefinately. This should have been handled along time ago, but it was left to this administration. Talk about cowards. Now the Republicans are all up in arms.

I never thought I’d see the day in America where people are criticized for daring to question our president.
It has obviously slipped the minds of many writers on this message board that as Americans, we are obligated to question our elected officials – someone has to ask the questions. If the GOP wasn’t asking these questions, who would? Who would examine the issue and make sure that this proposition is best for America. The GOP is doing what we elected them to do – question the president and keep him in check. What else do you want them to do? Blindly fall in line behind the ruling party line? That’s not how a democracy works.
The democratic party was well within their rights for questioning Bush for eight years. Now the shoe’s on the other foot and it’s not a bad thing.

Steve – funny, I don’t remember any of the Republicans in Congress who were all screaming for Clinton’s impeachment warning anybody about Al Queda back then. Seems to me that the GOP was more interested in distracting the country with a failed impeachment over a B J than in letting Clinton do his job to protect the nation.
You might wanna think about that the next time you try to blame Clinton for Bush’s failure on 9/11.

I have an idea. Just let them all go. That’ll make the democunts happy. But do it one at a time. At ground zero in manhattan. Time and place announced in advance. With no police presence.

Hey Robbie,
If you give it out, you better be able to take it. Obama is already sholder
deep, 1/2 mile up S$$$ creek, trying to
buy our way out of this fancial mess
that he and his fellow democrats helped foster, with “Home ownership” for everyone, REGARDLESS. Now tell me how
a bankrupt nation buy’s itself out with
no money? The campaign democrats waged against Bush will be returned 3-fold. He’s not a world savior. Peoples that wish us ill, for any reason, will mistake kindness for weakness. Read history. We are aginst the ropes and broke.

Frommer — Let me return the favor You obviously are a moron and a Democrat because you started the decline of this conversation by name calling. I am a registered independent, I did not vote for Obama or McCain, I didn’t think either of them were qualified to be president. I think Bush made more than one stupid decision. i am also smart enough to know that the president alone, be him a Democrat or Republican, is not responsible for all that is wrong with our country and the economy.

jawed,
you are sadly uninformed or missinformed individual. you have no idea what you are talking about…
you probably have thought of moving to Canada from time to time…I think you should go for it..

Steve – so what you’re saying is that you would prefer to live in a military dictatorship that in a country ruled by civilians according to our current Constitution?
Thanks for being honest about how much you hate our country. After all, this is what most of us suspected that the GOP was all about anyway.

The last I checked, he (BO) said that he was going to do this during the campaign…
We should be happy that a politician told the truth for a change. That doesn’t mean that I’m a BO supporter but I respect someone who does what they say they are going to do…

With all due respect for the President, I wish he would think and plan before he signs executive orders such as this. Open mouth…insert foot!!

steve,
Was my statement incorrect.
you are not guilty until proven.

Ok, what is the purpose of Gitmo? Is it to illegally detain terrorists? Did these guys get a trial? Is Gitmo an international terrorist holding cell? Again, what is Gitmo.
Bottom line, if they committed terrorist acts, why are they still alive? Why not move them to a state that has the death penalty? Problem solved?
As for American not being safe if they’re in a Federal, Maximum security prison, doesn’t that mean Millions of Americans are already in danger with the prisoners in those facilities.
I want more information about who these people are, how they were caught, and finally, what the hell is the purpose behind Gitmo?

Let’s see if you remember your mentality when you are back in the minority in a couple years. The whole problem with our politics is because of simple views like this guy. I guess you are ok with prop 8 or are trying to overthrow the will of the people in CA? I guess your opinion of the will of the people depends on which side of the opinion you are on.
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You might remember that the country had a referendum on the GOP point of view last November and the GOP point of view was soundly defeated. If anything has put us at risk, it was the GOP’s inability to eliminate Ben L. and his boys.
Posted by: Nannor | Jan 22, 2009 2:13:03 PM

I love all these “arm chair” Generals who think they know best. It’s easy for one to point and say “you’re wrong” or for someone to bash just for the sake of it. Might I suggest you and your beer belly’s get up and just go somewhere. We really don’t care where, just go. Let us take over and show you how to deal with things.

you have no idea what I hate and don’t hate…
I will tell you one thing I hate…
I hate far left wing moochers that think they are the majority…you won this time, but you know what? I see it over and over again…You didn’t vote for Obama, you voted against Bush…that is the problem! It will fix itself again…the silent majority in this country were bamboozled by this this faker and it won’t happen next time.

Steve: You seem to be calling people idiots in almost every post. Most of your arguments are flawed, however. 1) The military isn’t supreme over the private sector, but vice versa, and I thank our founding fathers for that. Your opinion that nobody without military experience has a “right” to express their view on military matters is completely contrary to American ideals. 2) You use that OLD, TIRED argument to justify abuse of civil rights: “why don’t you talk to [fill in the blank with a 9-11 victim's family, or a guy who's head was cut off, etc.] and see how they feel about it….” Um, no, let’s not talk to them. They are either dead or grieving, and either way, they may not be the best people to consult to get a view of what’s MORALLY CORRECT. Arguments like yours are truly idiotic, and I’m very glad we have a leader now who understands that the rule of law should not be subject to such idiotic arguments.

It is obvious that these worthless Republicans are going to get in the way of everything. Their reasoning is so full of caca, they should be ashamed to even say it. Bringing them into maximum security US Federal Prisons is not only very secured, but brings our system back into a system of justice as defined by our constitution and law. The whole world found Gitmo to be reprehensible and an affront to the rules of justice and an embarrassment to our standing in the world. Keeping it offshore and outside of US jurisdiction is meant only to avoid complying with our laws and constitution in carrying out torture and other illegal acts. To suggest that this would “endanger” America is just ridiculous. Using that premise, then we are endangering the people of Cuba needlessly. This is simply absurd. We have very capable prison professionals in our prison system that can handle these individuals appropriately and under the law. We don’t have to resort to criminal behavior as a means to “better security”. If we are to truly be a nation where justice prevails and of due process, then closing Gitmo is the right and legal thing to do. All these Republican clowns need to understand that they have enough time to square this nation right. They failed and failed miserably. Let someone else do it now and get the hell out of the way.

We could send them all to Texas. Afterall, Bush lives there and he created the problem. Besides, Texas likes executing prisoners.
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The problem is, Texas has a problem of letting murderers escape. Maybe that’s why the GOP is so concerned. They think the rest of the country is as incompetent as Texas.

Oh no, I bet they send them to Charleston, SC (my home) If they come to American soil then those crazy suicide bombers will hit our malls. This is not good.

When I first heard of this, I was against it, but on the second thought, I kind of like the idea of releasing potential terrorists into the general prison population rather then keeping them in isolation at Gitmo. I think the inmates in most of our nation’s prisons would enjoy doing their part to make the terrorists feel welcome in the prison system.

All I wonder is:
How is President Bush doing today?
Ya know..the President of the United States of America.

Put them in Crawford on the ranch.

“You didn’t vote for Obama, you voted against Bush…that is the problem!” Steve, you said that right. However, I wonder if all these people who don’t mind these criminals coming into our borders would mind if we housed them in their guest bedrooms or hey, maybe they should build them a special place by an elementary school, or daycare. I understand the human rights aspect of it all but seriously, lets make a plan before jumping the gun.

Bernie: For the 100th time, no they aren’t terrorists captured on the battlefield. You can keep repeating lies, like the Republican losers who we just voted out of office, but at the end of the day they’re still not true.

kg — Make sure Cheney is there with a shotgun ;-)

justsaying9 …prove that they are not

Closing Gitmo Bay- With this news I am sure terroists all over the world are trembling with fear of us now.

All of you that are behind Obama on this can stand behind him. At least when the terrorists bomb goes off you have someone in front of you to shield you from the blast.

Ever watch Jack Bauer torture someone and find out that it was a necessary and good thing to do because it stops the bad guys evil plans saves innocent lives. It just makes you feel good.

The purpose of Gitmo was to detain anyone “inconvenient” off or American home soil, because Richard Cheney thought that way it would not be subject to the laws and the Constitution of the United States. He actually argued that, and the courts disagreed: Cheney has been in a brown funk ever since. The reason that Gitmo is so bad is because its placement limits prisoners’ (not “detainees’”) access to legal counsel for the purpose of challenging their unlawful imprisonment: precisely part of the Cheney “justification”. It was a treasonous arrangement from the very start, designed to subvert the protections of the Geneva Convention, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights – designed by people who think that “people not like us” are not legally “persons”. It is Lord of the Flies in real life.

The rule of law goes out the window when you watch those people jump from the burning twin towers, you need me on that wall!

itsjustme – w t f are you raving about? Are you unaware that some of the most dangerous Al Queda detainees are already in Federal Supermax prisons on American soil?
It never ceases to amaze me how the ones who complain the loudest about this are the ones who have no real clue what they’re talking about.
Get your facts straight and stop making a fool out of yourself.

Dearthgator: Nope, the rule of law never goes out the window, or we’re just so many barbarians. I know you don’t understand that, and because you don’t, I don’t want you on that wall.

I suggest you watch,listen, or read more then demographic or partisan news! How people can be informed from just one source amazes me! Would you jump off a bridge if you read some repub, democ leaser told! By the way watch this Documentary or research it!
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/torturingdemocracy/

Yeah, send em’ to Texas. My friends and I (Remington, Marlin, Winchester,etc..) know just what to do with terrorists in our backyard.

Bush avoided further terrorist attacks on US soil for over 7 years following 9-11. If Obama can do the same for the next 4 years, I’ll be impressed.

You know on one hand, Jack Murtha can have all the terrorists he wants in his state, but his constituents may vote him out of office. Guess that’s a chance he’s willing to take.
On the other hand, if they do put these terrorists in American prisons the prison population will probably put their own sort of justice in place and these killers will be dealt with by American outlaws.

I’ve had it already. Bush didn’t create this problem. The terrorists did. Many of whom are in “terrible conditions” in Gitmo. Give me a break. Innocent people don’t end up there. And they don’t have constitutional rights because they’re not Americans. Bush acted on the best information that he had at the time. Just as I think Obama is probably doing; though it does seem that’s he’s acting a little quickly and without a solid plan before he looses these “suspects” on the US.

Just ship them to Chicago and give them jobs as “Community Organizers” working for B. Hussein Obama.

Carlos Jimenez give me a break you really didn’t think that he was going to get a blank check to do as he pleases did you. There is a reason why there are checks and balances in our system. 46% of the population didnt vote for him either.

Lydia – good post, research of the issue. No one contends that some (and the operative word is some) of the detainees are not guilty. The closing of Gitmo simply means moving these people into a judicial system (after all that’s why we have a Constitution – something upon which a President puts his hand on a Bible and swears to uphold) backed by long established rules of conduct and military treatment of captives (but of course some would throw away the dead who fought for our Constitution and nation for expediency and to get “out of my sight” and “mind” something I don’t want to deal with). Let us be reminded that the invasion of a soverign nation (Iraq) was also against our Constitution (as agreed upon by every Senator who looked at the arguments as outlined by Senator Byrd the recognized Consitutional authority in the Senate – one may not like him, but one does have to respect knowledge and law, even if one doesn’t like our Constitution). Now the President has said that this nation is better than what we have displayed to the world – we are not affraid to confront ourselves in the mirror, correct our errors AND defend our liberty and nation. So suck it up folks – we’re on the right path. It could have been avoided had GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al remembered one thing – THIS NATION AND THE CONSTITUTION UPON WHICH IS THE CORNERSTONE. The detainees are not going to be let loose to go to Disneyland for heavens sake people get a brain or sign off.

People problem solved. Closing it down not a problem, as long as everyone in there comes out in a box. simple fix weak people. People think murders should have rights, instead we pay them to get better education so they can come out and do a better job next time. This shouldn’t even be a thought anyone who thretens America or dose’nt beleive in our way of living should die there useless. that why texas is strong with capital punishment there not weak. And they probably don’t have over crowded jail either. Peace America

Jordan lets look at it this way. These guys arent from the same branch of the tree but they all have come from that same tree…

You guys did read the article..right? At least 61 one of them that have been released have returned to fight and kill our troops.

justsaying9 I am sure that you a liberal bed wetter would be the first one screaming for your mother if one of these goons ever looked at you the wrong way.

DCX2 – you can thank Clinton for that one.

I got it, lets sue the terrorists!

For almost 1500 years these people do not consider anyone that doesnt follow them a human being…what part of that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling?

“Terrorism: the threat or use of violence, often against the civilian population, to achieve political or social ends, to intimidate opponents, or to publicize grievances.”
Most of you who have commented on Gitmo sucking “cold hard cash” out of taxpayers’ pockets need to really think twice about which is more important in your lives, money or a family member’s death due to these INHUMANE crimes. True that most are only suspects and are enduring tortures for crimes they might not have committed. But as parents, would you not take all precautions necessary to ensure the safety of your children? Some parents don’t even want rapists to be released into their communities… due to the safety of their children. Some rapists did not committ the rape crimes they were charged for. For some of you, if you are adamant about not having rapists live near your household to protect your kids in the neighborhood, why would you even consider the potentiality of letting mass murderers into the same neighborhood where your kids are ride their bikes??

Illegal incarceration and torture will not stop until its advocates and supporters are tried and jailed.

ConcernedParent : More children die each year from being run over by a grandma (or a teenager with straight-A grades) while bicycling near their homes than have EVER died in a terrorist attack. Priority?

Darlene – No, there were people who were desperately trying to tip off the Bush Administration about the 9/11 hijackers, and nobody there seemed to listen.

I hope that military officials use this one year closing time frame to get a good handle on which of these detainees are likely terrorists and which ones are not.
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Why not just give each prisoner a loaded AK-47? The innocent ones most likely wouldn’t fire theirs. As for the others, well …

Calling terrorists “inhumane” does not give us the right to treat them that way. And to think that there is no other way to defend ourselves is narrow-minded. Expect more from our country & she is likely to live up to that expectation. Raise that bar!

JK & boxcar – I have no problem with people who disagree with the President. My problem is with people who are so IGNORANT that they think the Constitution only applies to them and their friends – and who then parade that ignorance as if they are honors graduates in constitutional law!

Jordan they didnt pick these people up off the street while playing hopscotch…if you believe that you are delusional.

To Valerie Tarantolo:
“Bin Laden is out there. He’s the one that should be behind bars. We need and must get this right so we can be safe. Obama is doing right thing and he’s the boss, now, so let him do what is right since he knows more than those who only worry about keeping them jailed regardless of the consequences if indeed any are innocent.”
Our President is NOT OUR BOSS. He works for this Nation and for the people. His decisions does not make it God’s will. Please understand that WE voted for him. Not the entire nation but the majority. Which means we, the people, decide who gets to sit in the seat and take place as our representative for this Nation.

boxcar – No, they paid their neighbors and sectarian enemies a huge bounty to “denounce” them. Completely Maoist in every way!

This is absolutely an inane reaction. Okay, try some logic here, folks: if Gitmo is closing, and you pass a law BARRING them from being sent to prisons here, then you are INCREASING the odds of them being released — EXACTLY the situation that everyone is citing (via Pentagon estimates, for example) as their supposed concern. Get logical or get out of the way. Fact: Gitmo is going to close. Fact: We cannot afford to increase the odds that these folks will just take a walk. Fact: We cannot force other nations to take them, although of course we can and will ask some to first. Fact: That means we will have many prisoners who have to be put SOMEWHERE. Fact: If you prohibit them being put into U.S. maximum-security prisons, what do you think will be done? It’s ridiculous to try to scare people into thinking some sort of Batman-villain scenario will materialize if these folks are sent to prisons in the U.S. People can and do break out of prison, yes, but it’s less likely in a Supermax, and even less likely on, for example, DEATH ROW. Start acting like adults, adults who are responsible for making legitimate, rational decisions on behalf of the citizens, not thumping your chests and engaging in mindless brinksmanship to score some worthless political point. Gitmo IS closing, so stick these prisoners in Death Row cells and keep them under guard, it’s not brain surgery for goodness’ sake.

Who has announced that we are releasing these Gitmo prisoners loose in the US? Maybe some idiot who will say anything to get attention, but no one is recommending that. We have terrorists and mass murders already in our prisons here in our backyard. I don’t hear of these types of prisoners escaping. I personally don’t think it is a big deal to leave them in Gitmo, but we have to stop being above the law by defining torture any way we want and hiding what is going on in Gitmo from respectable organizations that monitor how prisoners are treated. As far as a trial, I don’t know what is best and I doubt it should be identical to a US citizen. I also don’t know the history of what we did with prisoners in WWII, Korean War, etc. I doubt we gave a civilian trial to every person captured in battle. Finally, let’s quit removing people we capture from that country. Leave them there in prison until that country can decide what to do with them.

Listen all dems and Libs. and Obamas, these terrorists’ mental, morals, politic and religion arn’t like anything of all of us in this room put together. I don’t care how much justice we give them, I don’t care how much respect Obama wants to give them to kill us. They will still think that what ever Obama or Bush does is because due to some sort of politic string attatched. Look, to us it’s between Dems or Republicans to them its Americans. So therefore in order for us to unite we need to think like they think. If you want to understand the terrorists think like they think.

What a bunch of neo-con, Republican, hate mongering whiners. Y’all had your chance and screwed it up. Now Obama has to fix your mess. You need to get over yourselves and accept the fact that you are out of step with the majority of Americans. When asked what kind of people think torture works, an Admiral said: “Torture is only used by the stupid, lazy and pseudo-macho.” Sounds like Bush and Cheney……..neither were man enough to meet their military obligation to this country but are live vicariously through the bravery of our troops. What a couple of cowards!

To Jordan:
The potentiality of dying by accidents will still be accidents, the potentiality of someone perhaps planning on wiping us out… is a conspiracy…therefore planned actions on killing our children, priority noted and should not take a genious to figure out.

Liberty still suffers from the politics of fear. 19 more republican senate seats on the ballot in 2010.

Sammy, what service did Obama serve in?

Jordan did you read this article? 61 of them returned to the battlefield to kill our troops again>>>>

@Da Truth,
Well said, but half most of these Liberals will NOT read everything you wrote.. it cuts into their hollywood worship time.
The other half, will read, but have drinked sooo much k-a that they won’t be able to understand.
Actually, if they read more of Law History, they would also find that there is a Law on the Books prohibiting POWs to be brought on-to American Soil.
But, you know.. I don’t care anymore.. bring them here. Hell, let them loose. They can drive Taxis in NY or DC. Hell, we will just train them to become Commercial Pilots. :)

Don – Actually, there is an earlier post here that documents that number much more accurately, and it is really more like 3. Of course, the Bush Admin would never “lie” to us: they have merely repeated a small fabrication until it became widely accepted as true.

And the consistent remarks by people shrilly shouting “They’re terrorists” or “They were caught on the battlefield” only demonstrates why we probably ought to make people pass a dang test before we let them vote. Get informed if you are going to have such strong opinions. The fact is that most of the prisoners were NOT caught on the battlefield, period. Most were NOT caught by U.S. forces, period. A large number were turned over to the U.S. by the Pakistani ISI, a group that in fact connected to — pay attention — the TALIBAN and AL QAIDA. Some of the prisoners are likely terrorists. Some are likely not terrorists per se but joined in fighting against U.S., Pakistani, Afghani, or other forces. And some are utterly innocent. If you don’t care, be brave enough to admit that you don’t really know the facts but don’t care about the facts and don’t care about whether the people are innocent or not.
But most of all, don’t act like passing a law banning the imprisonment of these people in U.S. prisons is a logical way to avoid them getting released — that’s supposedly the big threat here, the big fear, and yet limiting the number of options for incarcerating them is your answer? It shows how either devoid of reasoning or devoid of intellectual honesty you really are.
I say this as a Republican who supported Mike Huckabee for President, as a member of a family that has proudly served in all branches of the Armed Forces and as veterans of war, and as a social conservative who is stunned and tired of seeing my supposed fellow Christians and conservatives accepting torture and indefinite unlawful detention as somehow legitimate aspects of the America that my family has fought for and some have died for.

What do you expect when you put someone in the White House who is a kenyan, muslim, communist, anti-American, racist, friend of terrorists? Too bad the press covered this up but the information was STILL out there. I say rotate this islamic scum among obama voters or move them into the White House.

There is a good chance the some of them are related to Obama!

Jordan and no one would post false information of 3?

FINALLY!!!!
that malificent concentration camp is closed!!
Good Job Obama!
its about TIME someone who isn’t a narcassistic, money hungry, dictator was put in power!!

America is less safe today than it was yesterday.
This wreckless decision to satisfy his liberal base will endanger all of us.

Here we go again. The same old scare tactics from the GOP. Guantanamo is a stain on our country. Move them to the U.S. and try them as criminals. If found guilty, execute or lock them away for life. If found innocent, let them go. What is so hard about that?!

What a sad day when our President is more concerned about the rights of suspected terrorists than the safety of Americans. He’s so concerned with his world image that he’s lost sight of what he is supposed to be – the American President. If he wants to be so compassionate to those who wish to harm America, then let them be released into Washington DC and he can take care of them.

Murtha you can have them all. Ship em to PA. How does Obama see that this will make America Safer?

When our country is attacked again like 9/11, and how quickly we all forget, then tell me again how wonderful it is to have B.O. as our president.

The liberals will want to take the terrorists to international tribunals. The international tribunals will release them. The terrorists will then kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. The liberals will then understand the need to have Gitmo.

I think that the inmates should have a quick tril. If found guilty be quickly put to death. they should not cost extra money to suport.

Chuck…..Obama was not subject to “Universal Compulsory Military Services”….aka “The Draft”……Bush and Cheney were. By the way, which military service did you serve in? I have 6 years of Navy.

This has to be the ultimate insult to America ! It is obvious that Obama really is a muslim, and knows (and cares) very little about protecting America. God help us all !

makes me feel really warm and cozey on a cold night. I really think we should set them all free some place in the us and give them ebt cards so they will not be hungry while they figure out who to blow up first

First, why don’t we just call terrorists what they really are……SCUM!!! Take that, bin laden!!!!
Second, President Bush will be remembered in future years for making the tough decisions, however unpopular, that kept our country safe for the past 7 years!
And third,let’s fix the economy, huh?????

Amen, little elf. Slowly but surely this Administration will destroy this nation-guarantee it. Liberty is best left in the hands of the citizens and not politicians. God help us, we’re in deep, deep trouble now.

If we close the base, where do these suspects go and would you want them loose in your neighborhoods?? There are criminals and then there are CRIMINALS of a different kind out in our world now who need to be kept out of the general population because they are heinous,vicious,souless and have no regards for any human life that beats blood,all they want to do is spill it and kill it! I think Obama is showing his real hand now and it’s KATIE BAR THE DOOR from this point on. May God have mercy on his soul!!

I will never understand the Democrats sympathy for terrorists. They seem more concerned with the rights of terrorists than they do our military. These are people who want to destroy America and her people. Why are we so concerned whether or not torture is used to get information. If ths information obtained saves American lives, then it is well worth it. This is a bad decision and it will come home to roost when we have our next terrorist attack and yes we will have another attack. It’s only a matter of time. I will place the blame squarely on Obama and the Democrats. But then, of course, they don’t think we’re in a war on terror.

Jordan my best friend since I was 6 years old has been a army helicopter for 23 years and has served multiple tours in Iraq,Afghanistan, South Korea,and chased drug lords in south america along with being in Somilia during Clintons Blackhawk Down incident. He is married to a lawyer and they have 2 kids in college. He watch a fellow pilots chopper take a RPG through the cockpit and kill all aboard in Afghanistan. Last month he signed up for another 10 years in the service. From his stories I know we are doing the right thing and I am so proud of his service.

From the idiot opinions and remarks reflected here, I just hope the Secret Service does its job well, and that God Himself protects President Obama and his family from all the explosive nutcakes in this country!

Lydia, and y’all who are clamouring for the rights of these GITMO detainees – whether they were caught on the field, belonged to, associated with, etc (crap, crap, bla, bla, bla), can you all answer this one simple question:
“Does AL-QAEDA, HAMAS, and the other terrorist groups – do they abide by the GENEVA CONVENTION?

The President (and the military for that matter) does not take an oath to defend the US or even the American people. He takes an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America. That is where his duty lies.
To those hysterical people who think that ACCUSED terrorists (in many cases there is no evidence to even suspect them) will be given too many rights remember -
- the courts have already ruled that Gitmo is just as much under the jurisdiction of the US as the mainland. That’s the only reason that Bush even considered closing it down.
- the courts have already ruled that foreign nationals who are not US citizens are not entitled to all the protections afforded by the Constitution, even when they aren’t considered “enemy combatants”.
So where the prisoners are held is irrelevant, their rights do not change if they are moved.
Gitmo is a symbol of an attempt to create a lawless limbo under US control where the President (Republican or Democrat) could do whatever he wanted to without any oversight. And that’s an idea that should be abhorred by anyone who believes in the Constitution.

These folks should given a fair trial just like Bill Ayers, “Guilty as heII, free as a bird, America is a great country.”

With our new President, the world loves us! The world is at peace now, birds are singing, and the weather is fair. So we don’t need no “TERRORIST PRISON CAMP” Let’s all have bonfire, roast marsh mellows, drink RC cola. Then we will all have a sing along. And life will be so special

Ever watch Jack Bauer torture someone and find out that it was a necessary and good thing to do because it stops the bad guys evil plans saves innocent lives. It just makes you feel good.
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LOL ! Sometimes, I hear the stories from
my wife who watches this FOX terror
propaganda.
Did you ever notice, more than 80% of
the people on the show that were torture,
either worked for the agency or are employees.
As far as poor old Jack, The former Defense
Secretary on the show was absolutley right
by saying: “Jack, anyone you know, either is
hurt or gets killed! Leave my daughter alone!”
Oh well, guess we have another season of it.
Question, If the show 24 hrs is played on
a daylight saving time, do we call it 23 hrs?
Hey, hey

Step 1: Close Gitmo & release terrorists.
Step 2: Give them welfare, free health care, free college tuition, and exclude them from paying taxes.
Step 3: Sign them up to vote democrat.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit

OB-Wan222 – You have a remarkably clear and concise way of stating the truth.

Does anyone here actually know what the Geneva Convention says?
We ARE treating them according to it, the rest of the wimps and lefties are trying to change it to what they want it to say at the moment.
These are bums out hiding in schools, behind kids with no uniforms, no formal army etc. According to the Geneva Convention, they are fair game!
Keep them in Guantanamo, put them on trial, then hang them properly.
KP

All I can say is it sure is nice to have a President again. And, Barack Obama seems thus far to be doing an excellent job.

Steve: you’re a moron.
First off, use some spell/grammer check before criticizing other “idiots”.
Secondly, you stand for every hee-haw I’ve ever met.. with things like your “what’s next? More gay rights jammed down our throats? no pun intended” comment. America is about being equal, fair, and just. You’ve probably got a big American Flag sticker on your car, and you call yourself a Proud American; you’re really anything but an American. You are a coward. You are only concerned for yourself.
Third, Obama (spelled correctly) didn’t make this choice in 2 days. It took over a year, and did you know that years ago, BUSH wanted to do this? Also, these prisoners aren’t going to be let out on our streets… do you think they will be working with you at McDonalds? Certainly not.

You all have to be kinding..Please think about this and put it into perspective. The first thing that this man did as President was worry about the rights of, I now beieve are his friends, the terrorists at Gitmo. Please! Look, these cases have to be gone over and tried. But you do not close this palce without a plan and stop the trial process of a man who confessed to the 9/11 attacks. We have biggfer fish to fry and for this to be his priority is suspect. Put them in Pelosi’s backyard. there is a great big prison there. Open it. The bleeding hearts in this country need to stop. We have not been attacked since 9/11 because we are catching these guys and putting them in prison. Frankly I think even if we have to torture them for answers they are lucky. Their countries would saw off our heads online. Oh how Hamas, Hezbola, The taliban, and Al-qaeda mustr love him. He is very suspect if you ak. me. Like Tpom Brokaw and Charlie Rose said. What do we Really know about this guy? We don’t!

It is interesting that there are so many people that want revenge on the suspects held at Gitmo than they are in the values that America stood for until 9/11. If we no longer believe that the Creator gave all people unalienable rights, then we have already lost the war and become like the enemy. There are more options than secretly torturing them or letting them all go free! I thought America used to be good at coming up with good ideas and new ideas, but many of you think the two options above are the only options.

First, as to the “terrible conditions” these poor terrorist prisoners are living under in Gitmo, (which by the way is actually the nickname for the Guantanamo Naval Base), they get as I got, when I served at Gitmo, three hots and a flop, or three meals and a bunk, plus shower facilities AND medical attention, all at U.S. Government expense. True, they are in enclosures, but I have to believe that the conditions they are “suffering” under at Gitmo are infinitely better than those they enjoyed in the Tora Bora caves, or on the run in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Second, no leader of any country, whose armed forces are engaged in battle, should want to have prisoners released until the war has been resolved and the countries involved have been stabilized and are able to defend themselves. If terrorist prisoners are released, we will have to fight the same foe a second time, as many armies have painfully learned over history. The alternative to confining prisoners is to take none at all, as was often the practice in the Second World War, and throughout history. So, which is the better basis under which to conduct the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, “Take no prisoners”, or “Confine all prisoners”?
And terrorists, by their very nature, have forfeited any “rights” they may have been entitled to had they been fighting as regular, uniformed and clearly identifiable SOLDIERS, and were citizens of a belligerent country. As it is, most of them are murdering thugs, who are not even legal citizens of Iraq or Afghanistan, but rather hide behind a universally problematical religion as their justification. Allowing them to defend themselves on that basis, in the U.S. justice system, at the expense of the Government of the United States is beyond ridiculous, it is illogical and sets a very dangerous precedent.
For anyone who is interested, I would like to suggest a good book, “Willful Blindness: A Memoir of the Jihad”, by Andrew C. McCarthy, who prosecuted the perpetrators of the first World Trade Center bombing on Feb. 26, 1993. Nothing has REALLY changed since then, especially with regard to the policies of this country’s leadership, and it is only looking worse for the future.

It’s really simple. Close the camp, drop the detainees off back in Iraq. Promptly kill them. If we capture any new terrorists, torture them for info, then kill them.

For those of you who think Gitmo should have been closed long ago – consider this: we haven’t had a terrorist attack in 7 and a half years and every terrorist plot since then (including the Somali plot for a terrorist attack at the inauguration) has been thwarted before it started. Why not look at what we’ve accomplished in the war on terrorism before criticizing.

Cyclebum, you are truly an idiot. So the objective in the war on terror is to have everyone love us? And Bush did more harm to us than the terrorists ever have? Please remind us how many terrorist hits we’ve taken since 9/11. Let me help you out-zero. Then how were we made less safe?
Posted by: Ben
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Sorry Ben, you seem to show very short memory
in your answer, and also lack self respect.
Please recall that we had the anthrax incident
in the Capital, several post office scares, McCains
own headquarters was threatened with an envelope
of white powder.In fact just recently, Allen
Birkowitz’s office at his law firm along with a
University were terrorized.
Terror does really target quantity of life anymore, it
changes the quality.
Had the word “terrorist” been the jargon in the
1700′s,then the British would have called us
terrorist!

There you go again – You repubs and conservs want all of us to remain a cringing sheeple beholden and protected by only those strong “24 Hour” type men and women of the military/intelligence bent. Well, it’s time for ALL of us to become a strong and resilient people so we wouldn’t be afraid even if they were incarcerated on, or actually on our shores. Murtha said it right – they are just as dangerous where ever they are.
And answer me this – Why do terrorists keep doing what they do???? Because they always get the response they want. Terror only works if the populaces you are trying to terrorize have this “terror” mentality –i.e. a cringing, spoiled sheeple. These sheeple are waiting for the next terrorist attack so they can continue to be “terrorized” and overreact and continue to hand over more and more of their liberties to the “strong” who supposedly know what’s best for them. The terrorists actually want this…..they are framing the atmosphere and the response. Then they only need to focus on our CIA, FBI, and police men and women…not all the people.
Yes, we must try to stop them. Yes, we must continue to train special intelligence ops and personnel. And yes, our response must be swift and lethal. BUT! The only way we will ultimately defeat them is if we, the whole country, soccer moms and dads, Joe and Jane Missouri, ect. etc. become strong and resilient ourselves so their terror attacks become meaningless and don’t work…….. because …….if a “terrorist” attack does occur, God Forbid, WE, all of us, would respond in a way that shows that WE are prepared, WE will not panic, WE ARE NOT AFRAID, WE will ultimately respond as a united people, and WE will continue our way of life no matter what they do! Then, and only then, will they stop.

The first thing that this man did as President was worry about the rights of, I now beieve [sic] are his friends, the terrorists at Gitmo. – Pandy
I think he was more worried about repairing a loophole that was shoved through the Constitution (see my earlier post). Which is his first priority since he took an oath on Tuesday to preserve, protect and defend it.
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So we’re going to close Gitmo. If we bring them into the U.S. those people automatically get rights that they do not deserve. – Buddy
Not true (see my earlier post).
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Or maybe we should start a “Adopt A Terrorist” program that allows people in America to house one of these terrorists until the trials are over. That would be the humane thing to do. Right?! – Buddy
Why is it no one is able to argue against closing Gitmo (Bush was the first President to put forth this idea, by the way) without veering into Reductio ad absurdum?
This is, by the way, a debating trick where you exaggerate your opponent’s argument to a ridiculous extreme in order to make their suggestion look, well, ridiculous and extreme. It’s a tactic that people use to avoid discussing the question in a rational, reasonable way.
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Second, no leader of any country, whose armed forces are engaged in battle, should want to have prisoners released until the war has been resolved – Zoron
Ah, Zoron, you have fallen into Bush’s trap. He knew from the start that the “War on Terror” would never end. (How long has the conflict in the Middle East gone on?) He knew that it sounded reasonable to ask for “temporary” authority to tap people’s phone (even US citizen’s), to imprison and torture without court review (including US citizen’s) and to ask for massive sums of money to be spent too fast to keep track – but only until the “war” was over.
It’s “1984″ – if you haven’t read it you should – it’s not important to win the war, what’s important is that the war continues so that you can exercise extraordinary power.

For those of you who think Gitmo should have been closed long ago – consider this: we haven’t had a terrorist attack in 7 and a half years and every terrorist plot since then (including the Somali plot for a terrorist attack at the inauguration) has been thwarted before it started. Why not look at what we’ve accomplished in the war on terrorism before criticizing.
Posted by: Lil Mel
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Sorry, if these are so called terrorist, why
haven’t they been put to death? Because they
are innocent until PROVEN guilty! Give them
the trial unless you are afraid that they may be
innocent and you have too weak of a spine to
admit to that.

So, Obama wants to close Camp Delta at Gitmo and house some of the remaining 270 detainees at ‘secure’ military facilities (stockades, prisons) in the US. So what! Oh, but we can’t house dangerous terrorists at ‘secure’ military facilities in the US because…..yes, what’s that you say–they’ll somehow be a greater threat or diminish the military’s ability to protect us from said threats! Give me a break! The United States housed more than 400,000 enemy POW’s in all but three states during WWII, not to mention an additional 100,000+ Japanese American detainees! Yes, we can see that the whining chorus of doom and gloom patisans have already begun throwing up road blocks to the Obama administration—just as they did with Clinton when he entered office!
Well I say this, Congressmen Lamar Smith, John Boehner and all your supporters—Clearly your arguments and protestations are without merit, so quit your whining or get off the bus!

Thank GOD we finally have a decent man leading our country. Of course gitmo should be shut down. Conservatards don’t understand that we lose the moral high ground when we congratulate ourselves as law abiding while within our own borders then justify our criminality when without. Jesus had a word for that kind of people: Hypocrites! Something conservos strive for.

I thought that the persons being held in Gitmo were prisoners of war… from the “War on Terror”. It seems that the past few years have dulled the memory of the press, which has down-graded their status to that of “detainees”, rather than recalling how and why these individuals were placed ther in the first place. AND, as Prisoners of War they are entiled to human decency rights afforded by the Geneva Convention (of which this nation agreed to support many years ago).
Is the “War on Terror” over??? Just because we haven’t had a repeat attack on Americam soil since 9/11, did we win? If so, who signed the armistice. I still see daily news reports of American soldiers fighting and dying to defend the homeland from terrorist attacks. This is liberal, bleeding-heart nonsense.
If (during WWar II) a German civilian was captured after picking up a rifle and shooting at American soldiers, what would have happened? Was he simply defending his homeland or was he an enemy combatant… and how would the military authority dealt with him.I don’t believe that he would be considered a “detainee” and I don’t believe that he would have been tried in an American criminal court for his actions.
This is still WAR, people!

“…we haven’t had a terrorist attack in 7 and a half years” … nor any FOREIGN terrorist attack on our soil in the 8 prior years – nor indeed in the 45 years prior to that. And we never had Gitmo then… did we?

Reading these posts just proves the obvious.. liberals don’t use logic in making statements or decisions.

They don’t care who they kill as long as it’s an American. Could be you.

“…we haven’t had a terrorist attack in 7 and a half years” … nor any FOREIGN terrorist attack on our soil in the 8 prior years – nor indeed in the 45 years prior to that. And we never had Gitmo then… did we? – Jordan
Actually you forgot about the first attack on the WTC. We knew they were coming. Which is why we shouldn’t have waited until 9/11 to take more active measures.
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Reading these posts just proves the obvious.. liberals don’t use logic in making statements or decisions. – obama
Don’t tell me the liberals are the ones who don’t agree with you. Or do they have little (L) next to their names?
Do you have any proof to present that liberals don’t use logic or did you just assume who were liberals and how they made thier decisions?
That doesn’t seem logical, does it?

Mendy : I think you may be right: there are more Nazis in America today than there were in all of Germany in 1939. Only they call themselves “conservatives” and everyone who disagrees with them “liberals”. That is what is REALLY frightening about our times: the Islamic extremists are largely window dressing – the “J….. Problem” of our time.

Jordan…
Thank you for proving my point.
Reading these posts just proves the obvious.. liberals don’t use logic in making statements or decisions.

How is closing an American torture facility and FINALLY processing prisoners of war going to get the county attacked again?

O my God! is this a change American wanted?.I dont’t want these prisoners to be free or released,they will kill more American !

To all who are thanking Obama and saying he is the best loved president (after TWO days in office), I say that I hope he doesn’t lead like the years we had from 1993-2001. We had higher taxes and no leadership.
Bush didn’ bring on the fear, the Tangos (thats terrorists to those who don’t know militaryese), and I for one continue to fear them. Under Bush, we had excellent intelligence, and the initiation of HOMELAND Security (watch the show on ABC Tuesday nights). It’s not just terrorists they catch, but drug runners, gun runners, people sneaking innocents across to sell them for prostitution… I hope Obama allows them to continue. My stepfather was CIA from right after WWII (in which fought) until the 1970s. Though he never told me any stories, I knew how dangerous the work he did was. The world was dangerous then and it is dangerous now. POWER BREEDS CORRUPTION! Look at Russia,the Middle East, and Africa. Bush was a pussycat in comparison to those leaders. Pakistan wants Isreal out of Gaza, well Hamas started the fighting and Isreal fought back. Isreal stopped fighting and Hamas kept it up. Terrorists/fanatasists are going to keep pushing for the world to live their way OR ELSE. If they win, say good-bye to living life as we know it and women expect to become less than insects. Personally, I would be killed, because I would fight tooth and nail to go BACKWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS FABULOUS NEWS!
Murtha’s so quick to pawn these terrorists off on his own constituency. Why doesn’t he invite the terrorists to come & live with him at his home in D.C.?

FABULOUS NEWS!
My advice. . . .
Instead of Murtha offering to send these terrorists to live with his constituents, he should invite them to live with him at his home in D.C.
Or, BO could have them live at the White House with him, Michelle & the girls.

Habeas corpus, The Constitution, The Geneva Convention. This is what America stands for. Torture, The Patriot Act, unlawfull detention, influencing public opinion by fear. This is how we allowed our government to act the last 7 years. We have lowered and compromised our values at home and to the world. Ollie North himself said it best. “Americans should never use torture”. The rule of law got us through the Civil War, WWI and WWI. It will still allow us to overcome today’s enemies. Let freedom ring!!!!!

Ah yes, “bi-partisan” once again loyal Republican foil a fiendish Democratic plot to allow our Justice system and Constitution to work.
When will Republican take off their fright masks and stop screaming uggah-buggah?
Will it be after they are assured their support of the Bush administration’ attacks on the Constitution and Justice system will not result in their prosecution as accessories to the crimes and misdemeanors?
Do they really think in light of the serious problems that drove Bush approval rating to the low twenties, that ignoring our current problems to play partisan Republican politican as they have for twelve years is winning back the voters and public?

The only problem with a bummer is that he doesn’t realize that we are at war…or does he?
I knew we were at war or about to be attacked again back in 1996. Got letters to prove it!
I knew we were in a recession back in the summer of ’2007. Government didn’t figger it out ’til, I think Dec. 2007. Don’t have any written proof of that except I told my and my bank account and schedule book told me that.
Pres. Clinton should have figgered that out and Pres. Bush, he got the brunt, but I think he should have known if I could figger it out.
pipefreeze

It’s “1984″ – if you haven’t read it you should – it’s not important to win the war, what’s important is that the war continues so that you can exercise extraordinary power.
Posted by: OB-Wan222
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I’m not certain what was on Pres. Bush’s mind in the aftermath of the second World Trade Center attack, and I don’t believe he was using the “War on Terror” to wield “extraordinary power”, but I do know what was on my mind. (My son’s best friend’s mother went to work in one of the buildings that morning and she hasn’t been seen or heard from since. There is no trace of her and she worked above where the planes hit, so you can use your imagination as to her fate). The same thing was probably on the minds of most Americans when Pearl Harbor was attacked, but then we knew who the enemy was, and they were not religious fanatics and lunatics. I’m not arguing with you about “straw men” like the “War on Terror”, or the “War on Cancer”, or the “War on (Fill in your cause)”.
I was only trying to address the issue of current terrorist prisoners in Gitmo, and spoke of an end to hostilities in terms of conventional wars. This, of course, is not a conventional war and most of those prisoners would, I believe, fight again, should they be released to whatever country would have them. They are a problem, but closing their prison and giving them rights to which they are not entitled only compounds the problem, it does not solve it.
Actually, if you don’t know it, it is 2009, and so I am not falling into your “1984″ trap, either. I do not engage in “Doublespeak”, nor do I think that Pres. Bush was playing O’Brien to the nation, or any specific Winston Smith. I’m only guessing, but it is most likely that I read it before you were born, and believe me, this is not where we are, although I have no cell phone, or any digital camera hooked up to my computer. I realize that most of the younger generation can’t live without their “electronic leashes”, but if they are not careful, they may die because of them, as some members of al-Qaida quickly learned, or simply by using them while driving. For your information, I have also read “Brave New World” and “Brave New World Revisited”, and I think we are more on that track than any other, at the moment. If you haven’t read the last two, try to, for mental balance.
If, however, you believe that we are on the “1984″ track, tell me please what awaits you in Room 101, as we all have something appropriate …

When we are attacked again and 1000 more Americans are killed Huessen Obama will have blood on his hands the left will have blood on there hands and it will not be blood from terrorists it will be American blood. They will lose control for decades! it’s sad that it needed to come to this for people to WAKE UP!

Perhaps it’s time for all of us to grow up and talk sensibly rather than spewing ignorance and hatred. All of the fear-based name calling is childish behavior and does not solve our problems. It always amazes me how we have gone into other countries and acted like we are so much better than the rest of the world, yet we engage in the very behavior that is supposed to be so horrifying to us. Look, I had family and friends die in Vietnam and my own father was killed in the Korean War. My father-in-law is a former Marine who served in occupied Japan. I have great sympathy for our armed forces and have some understanding of the sacrifices they have made and will continue to make for this country. Torture does not solve our problems. It makes us “less than” we should be. Kimberly is right. Each person at Gitmo should be held accountable, but on an individual basis.

Yes a terrorist that detonates a bomb in a market and kills and mamies tens or hundreds of women and children, should receive the same treatment that we reserve for our citizens that kill their own families and children.
1. Life imprisonment in our Federal country-club prisons.
2. Free room and board.
3. Three free hot square nutrious meals a day.
4. Free air-conditioning in the summer.
5. Free heat in the winter.
6. Free clothing.
7. Free magazines and newspapers.
8. Free cable and satellite TV.
9. Free medical care.
10. Free dental care.
11. Free eye care.
12. Conjugal visits.
The list goes on and on, until of course they escape or are pardoned.

what does B.O. plan on doing with the detainees, does he plan on making them american citizens? it looks as though the white flag is slowly being raised.
what if anything has been done about B.O. illegal aunt? or is that going to be swept under the rug, too? there seems to be a lot of illegals in the U.S., we have a lot of people making good money and not doing anything. we should round up all these illegals and send them back where the came from, and charge their countries postage and handling. and get rid of them.

Seems to me that most of the guys locked and tortured in Guantanamo are as much terrorists as Saddam had weapons of mass destruction…
It amazes me how nearly half of the people still buys such BS (note: over 40% voted for GOP’s McCain-Palin).
Get off the net, turn off your big screen TV, go read a book. What this country really needs is to recover from “brain recession”.

courage…lol

karen…Hopefully, Obama does have major success, but that will only come with bipartisan support. And, just maybe, some of these Bushies who are hurting will turn around from all this hate, stop whining and deal with the issues without being so scared and reactionary…Nah, that will never happen..hehe

@Saint Genesius,
Whether there is a risk or not,
the main thing is, it gives them the same rights an American “Taxpaying” Citizen have.
Sorry, I have a problem with this. The as I have with people illegally coming into this country and getting crap for free and MY expense.
My opinion… don’t take anymore prisoners. Shoot them on the battlefield.

“To all who are thanking Obama and saying he is the best loved president (after TWO days in office), I say that I hope he doesn’t lead like the years we had from 1993-2001. We had higher taxes and no leadership.” — Proof of the moron-conservatard connection. At the end of 2001 we had a budget surplus, no war and most importantly of all, a credible warning of pending terrorist attack (which the bush coward ignored). What do we have after 7 yrs? That conservocrappers want to go back is a showcase of their continued ignorance and denial.

These people will never want to stand in the flower garden and sing “Cum bi ya”.
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Only the French do that. Except, they sing it in French, with a wine glass in one hand, and a cigarette in the other.

Oh, so your saying that our troops didn’t “detain” any of those nice gentlemen at Gitmo?
It also sounds like your saying they need to be set free and maybe even in the US!!!????
Why don’t you just invite them to your house!
By the way, have you ever seen your brother in arms (that would be some one you serve with, in the military) have a leg blown off right in front of your eyes or maybe have child come up to one your brothers and the kid is carrying a bomb that kills him? I don’t think you have, I really hope you have not, but if you had, you might take a different view of things.
Don’t feel you have to reply, I am leaving this mess.

Poor liberals still can’t win an argument
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Which argument? Oh, you won’t say, because at the end of the day, all you have is,”poor liberals”…And no substance. You still have Rush, although, I heard he’s back on the pain meds…Poor Rush…At least he’s found some more pathetic Doc’s to give him blank perscription pads. Signed, of course.

Migisi: I find the thought process of you people appalling! I can tell most you have never served in the military.
Who are ”you people”? Don’t tell me, everyone who disagrees with you. I find your thought process appalling if you think that everyone who ever served must agree with you. I knew many people that I served with that would find your “reasoning” laughable.
Migisi: You have no clue what those people in Gitmo are capable of and what they are waiting to do. They understand one thing and one thing only. That is to kill indiscriminately at every opportunity. They are trained from childhood to hate anyone that isn’t of the same belief as themselves.
OH MY GOD! You mean…. They’re Republicans!!!!
Migisi: You people hate the Bush people and the GOP so much you have lost all ability to make rational decision????
It’s not a matter of hating Bush, well not with all of us. It’s a matter of loving the Constitution and the principle that the President is never free to do whatever they want with people – that’s the kind of thinking that leads to fascism.
Migisi: These people were taken from the field of battle, they were in combat against our troops…
Well, now you’re just wrong. Most were not captured in battle, most were accused of being a terrorist and considered guilty until proven innocent. And the rules were written to make it nearly impossible to prove they were innocent.
Migisi: Do you really think if you were their prisoner that you would get your constitutional right?
That’s never been the measure by which we judged OUR behavior – They did it, so it’s okay for us to do it. You decry the fact that “their” governments are evil and then you argue that we should take up their methods.
Migisi: …you need to start thinking about how are we going to win because if we lose…
We lose it when we forget what makes our country better than our enemies. It’s cowardly to place my survival or yours above that of the principles that have made America a shining city on a hill. It’s not about our survival, it’s about preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States of America, which is what the President (and US military forces) takes an oath to do. If you ever served you might remember your oath.

o bamo? re-posting my comment isn’t an argument…unless you liked it that much? Thanks! Now, make a point.

You just supported my point…again btw.
o bamo? re-posting my comment isn’t an argument…unless you liked it that much? Thanks! Now, make a point.

Pres. Obama’s motives r plain: if we r kind to others they wouldn’t attack us. Remember the Clinton Era? No attacks took place against us. People attack us if we attack them or we don’t listewn to them when we r supporting their enemy.
Pres Obama has thought about his actions for many months and people had the chance to rebutt what he said, so we should support him to see injunstice killed and justice served.

So, you want Gitmo closed and the prisoners turned loose in the US as citizens!!!
Geesh, just how stupid can you be! Next you will be demanding that all the murders and child rapist be released from prison and given pardons.
For all of you that are wanting Gitmo’s prisoners released, I hope they move in next door to you!

Pres Bush in early 2001 pushed aside the Mid East problem and ignored the whole thing, while he continued to support Israel as he did throughout his dismal tenure. The result? People attacked us to get his attention. The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor to get the US involved, but they had no right since the US was neutral. In the ME the US was never and has never been neutral. The result of Bush’s policy was more hatred against us and there r more people who r willing and may be planning to attack us. How to stop them? By showing we care about them and by helping stop their suffering. This is what Pres. Obama is doing.

So, you want Gitmo closed and the prisoners turned loose in the US as citizens!!!
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Are all neo cons tards? Did you read the story? Let me break it down for ya. MMK? Assess them all, on an individual basis…ya with me? Then, the ones who can’t be charged, will go home. See, ya can’t hold people for years without charging them…Well, unless you live in China, N. Korea or Russia…Or Nazi Germany! I digress…The ones who should stand trial, will be brought to the U.S. Most likely Camp Pendleton…San Diego…Those people will not end up in the U.S. They’ll be found guilty and sentenced or sent home. See, none of them become citizens…Stop crying!

/Sniff gave up already?..typical.
o-bamo = nothing of substance to add.
Rob = Chicken little,”The sky is falling!”
It’s a brave new world, kids…Don’t be scared…Wait, that’s what neo cons have become so good at…We need to fix that…Kids…Find your happy place, and no, you can’t use Gitmo. Concentrate…
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Typical? As in, you can’t come back with anything, so ya gave up? Thought so.

WWTJ -
Who would Jesus torture?

Re-posting is not ‘posting’. Failed logic.
/Sniff gave up already?..typical.
o-bamo = nothing of substance to add.
Rob = Chicken little,”The sky is falling!”
It’s a brave new world, kids…Don’t be scared…Wait, that’s what neo cons have become so good at…We need to fix that…Kids…Find your happy place, and no, you can’t use Gitmo. Concentrate…
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Typical? As in, you can’t come back with anything, so ya gave up? Thought so.

o-bamo = creepy stalker.

Such hate.. always the last resort of a failed argument.
o-bamo = creepy stalker.

“So, you want Gitmo closed and the prisoners turned loose in the US as citizens!” — Yet another conservative who doesn’t merely turn from the truth but sprints from it. If it was possible I’d launch a serious attempt to educate. Alas.

mangey1…We can try…here goes…
Let’s drop the conservative/liberal labels. This is about enemies of the U.S who need to be processed. Not tortued, ad nauseum…to no end? It’s about our country, holding up it’s standards of freedom…It’s about, Us! As a people, coming together to fight our enemy…and not each other…

creepy stalker = ignored. Untill you say something.

Obama is doing so well, in such a short time. Yes, shut down this prison. But, in an orderly way that processes these people in the correct manner. Not with a ,”hotel California”, mentality.

Whoa! This is about nothing!! 200 more or less terrorist is nothing compared to the currently 2.8 million (and growing) unemployed! Close Gitmo, import the terrorist or export them to Iraq and let them hang ‘em. 2.8 million people are out of work and more are coming! 2.8 million families, neighbors, and friends are stuggling. King Obama friends demand he does something of substance! Moving 200 terrorist from one place to another is not bold! Take the $1.5 trillion in “relief” and give it as unemployment benefits so people don’t lose there homes and livelyhoods.

Add another 300,000 ex-military service men and women… 3 million unemployed Americans… and Obama is focus on 200 terrorist towel heads? I say burn their Qurans and serve ‘em pork… bring them to our prisons and let them meet some of our “civilian terrorists”. Give four to each state prison, maybe eight to Texas and California. But let’s get back to the important issues… 3 million people out of work! 20 Trillion dollars in debt. Focus on Americans Obama… the next Jimmie Carter if he can’t figure out it’s the economy $tuP!d.

“Moving 200 terrorist from one place to another is not bold!” — Wrong! It is a first step in recovering our collective reputation for fair play, credibility and the moral high ground. Deep down in your fearful gut, even you know it’s a bold move. That conservatives don’t have the capacity for these virtues is understandable and expected.

Discard this absurd distraction and focus on the US!! Us!! I don’t care about Gitmo, Stem Cells, abortions! I care about Unemployed Americans that are losing their homes, cars, and life savings… Repub and Democrats… all Americans. Bush didn’t create this mess, Congress did… by doing nothing! And Obama can’t save us, Congress the cowards can. Congress is the real problem. They could have said “no” at anytime. Senators and Representatives can change laws… Presidents just execute the law. Learn how your government works and hold you representatives accountable!!! And Americans don’t live in a DEMOCRACY!! American’s live in a Constitutional REPUBLIC… for cryin’ out loud!

night… remember when you have to resort to name calling, it’s because you can not defend yourself with wit, are loosing the debate or have no facts to back it up.

mangey1 – Yeah and it fell apart in the last two years when you’re freakin’ liberal fiends came to the party… and basically shutdown everything. Learn you’re own history fool…

night… remember when you have to resort to name calling, it’s because you can not defend yourself with wit, are loosing the debate or have no facts to back it up.
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Thanks, o-bama…Too bad you didn’t answer any of my requests for an answer? I defended all of my points, you hid in the shadows…So I called you a creepy stalker, as you kept ignoring my questions. It is creepy, when you hide…For hours? And come out when I say goodnite? lol I look forward to debating you in the future…or, not? Your choice…
And sandra…Come correct, or shut up. You’re post, and ALL of o-bama’s qualify as trolling. None of mine did. Bring it, or cry…:) Love ya all! Viva queso!

I was saying goodnight to you. Why are you still here? You have only continued to prove me right.
night… remember when you have to resort to name calling, it’s because you can not defend yourself with wit, are loosing the debate or have no facts to back it up.
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Thanks, o-bama…Too bad you didn’t answer any of my requests for an answer? I defended all of my points, you hid in the shadows…So I called you a creepy stalker, as you kept ignoring my questions. It is creepy, when you hide…For hours? And come out when I say goodnite? lol I look forward to debating you in the future…or, not? Your choice…
And sandra…Come correct, or shut up. You’re post, and ALL of o-bama’s qualify as trolling. None of mine did. Bring it, or cry…:) Love ya all! Viva queso!

“Seriously, does moving these guys inside our borders REALLY damage our security?
You know, that sounds an awful lot like scare tactics to me.”
Hold on I’m gonna comment I am just laughing too hard. Are YOU serious?
Yes, it’s all “scare tactics”. These terrorist would never harm you or your family. They simply want peace. Bush lied about everything and Jon Stewart was LIKE totally right.
Terrorists get a bad rap, they’re just confused.
I think rather than killing them, we should hug it out.

Obama has a real chance and with one day in office he’s off to the races… unfortunately he’s off to the wrong race… Bill Clinton’s Surplus came from bold action taken in the Mid 80′s by none other than Ronald Regan…and the Democratic Congress (A brain child of Sen Bob Packwood-R, Oregon). It was a plan to help stablize Social Security, which was going to be insolvent much sooner than anyone originally thought. The tough choice to create the surplus was predicted as more wage earners and inflation took hold. That window was meant to keep SS stable until 2027. Because that surplus was smaller and then squandered by our “government” SS will be broke sooner. Gitmo is nothing more than a distraction from the real issues… unemployment, poverty, social security, and hunger in our country. Unfortunately, Americans are once again squabbling over the wrong issues. Apparently Obama supporters and opponents would rather fight over trivia than substance.

“Bill Clinton’s Surplus came from bold action taken in the Mid 80′s by none other than Ronald Regan.” Well hold on there a minute E-main. I think you’re on to something. Using your considerable political insight, we should be praising Jimmy Carter for Reagan’s successes. Makes sense as RR was suffering from alzheimer’s disease most of his presidency. Most of the important calls were made by Nancy using her expertise in astrology. You’re brilliant!

Mangey1- “we should be praising Jimmy Carter” where are you from? Mr turn-tail-and-run peanut farmer Jimmy is your hero? Guess that says it all… Jimmy and Obama… match made in heaven.

“Guess that says it all… Jimmy and Obama… match made in heaven.” — At least Jimmy didn’t go awol when his time to serve his country arrived. I’ll stick with Jimmy. You can have Mr Alzheimer and king george of the yellow streak.

It’s a typical Obama position – grand statements and no substance. Except this time, it’s a direct threat to our national security. The Europeans are already celebrating this decision, but they certainly will not take these prisoners on their own soil, even if they are from their countries!

“It’s a typical Obama position – grand statements and no substance.” — Hmm, grand statements/no substance. Like, “we’ll smoke ‘em out” or “we’ll get bin Laden dead or alive” or “mission accomplished”? Boy you really made a masterful point there. Well thought out. We’ve yet to see if Obama’s grand statements turn to substance. Interesting, though, how you cons support bush when there’s no question about his failure at being a man of substance.

So these people are going to get released? I don’t really think that anything will happen. I mean like someone said before, they are only suspects but alot are actually innocent. But on the other hand if they weren’t terrorists before the some odd years they were there, they might hate the government by now, considering they probably ruined the lives that they had. Security shoudln’t be a problem anyways, i mean they do so much for security as is. It never hurts to be a little more protective. Some people just are not very open minded about some of these decisions, and honestly i think it might have something to do with the party that they are with….

I am on the far side of 70,from a very active political family(brothers in each party)and for the first time in my life I am scared of the future;as a result of all the changes in our approach to the security of our country.

I agree lets move to New York or DC…lets get rid of the “not in my backyard” and get down and personal you want them in the country? You be their neighbors! Inhumane treatment? Most Americans think that means they don’t have TV and a cell phone at their disposal…Why don’t you all google “Unit 731″ if you want to see what real Torture and inhumane acts are.

Irks?Thats an understatement.This REALLY HIT HOME!I DO NOT WANT these TERRORIST WHO HAVE KILLED 3,000 PEOPLE 911 ON MY SOIL!Or did this NEW ADMINISTRATION FORGET?Come on people,don’t be afraid to speakout,this isn’t a racial issue it’s an AMERICAN ISSUE!

Just kill them and move on. The Government killed the branch davidians without cause and nobody is upset about that.

As much as Pres. Obama appears to be honoring promises made in his campaign. He irresponsibly authorized the closing of this prison without an valid action plan or resolution. His gesture is not for the good of the American populous. Similar to former Pres. Bush not making a decision either.
Those 60 detainees that were released into have not be rehabilitated from their fanatical views. In another ABC News report, they have tracked several back on the battlefield.
To say it is not a threat to release these individuals or to transfer them to US soil is blind.

“I felt safer on January 19th than I do today and he has only be president for four days. I don’t care what the world thinks about us, I want to be safe.” — If he scares you after 4 days, you’ll be a quivering blob of jello after 8yrs. Quick, you, Bruce Hayne and the rest of the conservative cowards can find refuge under e-main’s bed. His recipe is to cower in fear. He says crying really helps too. BOOOO!!!! Bwah,hahahahahahahahahahahah

“I love people whos intellect allows them to derive conclusions from assumptions.It is my understanding that conclusions should only be derived from a review of all the FACTS.” — Well then, based on your understanding I bet you just loved our recently deposed 43rd president. His biggest claim to fame was using his assumed ‘FACTS’ to frighten all his gullible followers. Speaking of drawing conclusions from assumptions, how much review you think GWB (aka: ole yellow streak) gave the WMD ‘FACTS’ before he concluded that they were REAL??? You may answer from under e-main’s bed if it makes you feel safer. Bwah,hahahahahahahahahahahah