Boehner: GOPers Should Vote No on Stimulus

While I applaud President Obama’a attempt at bipartisanship, it is clear that there is no bogus study or made-up fact that this group will not embrace for political purpose. 5t is clear that Boehner and his group are willing to put party over politics, regardless of the results for the country. President Obama is going o have to face the fact that the Republican party is no longer the party of Lincoln or Eisenhower or Goldwater but the party of Limbaugh and Coulter. Politics of personal destruction is all they know and it is sad for the country.

A House Republican lawmaker tells ABC News GOP legislators prepared part of their talking points in opposition to the Economic Stimulus bill at today’s morning Conference, before their scheduled afternoon meeting with President Obama.

Dont these Republican respect the voice of the people. The majority voted for Obama & his plans. It is sad when a party puts politics before the good of the country,sepcially during these dire economic times. Shame on them!
Doesnt seem much point in Obama trying to bring some semblance of bipartisanship to the process if the Republicans will oppose no matter what. Hopefully the media and the voters will show their disaproval of their tactics.

There were some great responses to Bob Herbert’s wonderful editorial in the NY Times today. “This proves you’ll never take the Con out of conservative”.
“The Citizens for Tax Justice have published a report comparing the effects of the proposed Democratic and Republican tax cut plans, first for the whole country and then state by state.
http://www.ctj.org...
Under the Democratic proposal about 55% of the tax cuts go to those in the lower 60% of the income distribution. Under the Republican proposal only 5% (that’s not a typo) goes to the bottom 60% of incomes. For the top 5% of incomes (above $244,200) under the Democratic proposal they get 1.5% of the tax cuts, but under the Republican proposal they get 43.5%.
With millions already unemployed and millions more fearing layoffs it’s a no brainer about which plan makes more economic sense, to say nothing of which is fairer. The Republicans support money and the Democrats support people.”
It is important to not let a small group of people whose real beliefs cannot stand bright sunshine stop our country from action. If these guys had ever shown one bit of interest for the common people or any insight into where their policies have gotten us today, I would have some grain of sympathy. This, from my perspective, looks like a group of white men with character disorders, no disrespect intended.

The Republicons care nothing about the country and everything about holding on to power.
Same as they have been for the past 15 years.

James – Having a “backbone” does not involve complaining, it involves solutions. What solutions have the Republicans put forward?
Their Economist are on the side of Obama.

It’s time for Boehner to go. The country needs help and jobs, not rhetoric and old political games. He needs to feel the pinch, and be voted out of office.

So much for Bi-partisanship and reaching across he aisle. President Obama should reach across next time with a fist. Boehner, Pence are playing politics with this issue and the fate of our economy. Watched Pence on CNN talk about stimulus to create jobs. You should see what he’s done in his district Anderson and Muncie Indiana they have lost tens of thousands of jobs on his watch.
I really don’t know why he keeps getting elected other than he’s got a silver tongue, couldn’t make it a s lawyer, so he went on radio as a talk show host.
Now he’s risen to a leadership role, if that’s the best the GOP can do, what a pity.

Now that the rich country club banker pigs have there fill of tax dollars and Lil Bush has left with his pockets full of money to be the house boy of the House of Saud, this pig,whats his name Bohner or Boner lol, stanhds up and says, oh no this is wrong, where was this a** clown when his rich buddies were given 850 billion and put us on the hook for 8.5 trillion.
Ex Republican

Heck, I hope the Republicans vote against everything that comes up for the next 4 years. Let them prove they are the obstructionist party to those few that don’t believe it.
another ex republican

The Republicans have offered an alternative plan that includes tax cuts and a reduction in capital gains to entice investors back into the economy.
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Where did they compromise? The Republicans didn’t and had no intention of working with the Dems as evident by the fact they sent word to reject it before Obama even got to the Hill for further discussion.

Oh those Republicans are at it Again They could care less about the State our Country is in They know they and Their President Bush got us in this Mess and now they dont want to Work with The Democrats to Help! MEMO TO THE GOP– DID YOU NOT SEE WHAT HAPPENED ON NOV4 2008 PEOPLE ARE FED UP WITH THE GOP POLICIES THEY HAVE NOT I REPEAT HAVE NOT WORKED NOW EITHER BE BIPARTISAN WORK WITH THE DEMS AND OUR PRESIDENT OR STEP THE HELL ASIDE AND LET THE DEMS CLEAN UP YOUR AND YOUR PATHETIC PRESIDENT BUSHES MESS!!! OR IM AFRAID IT WILL BE A LONG TIME COMING BEFORE REPUBLICANS COME BACK GOP DO SOMETHING OR SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE H– UP!!

Hang tight to your principals GOP!!!! 1/2 of the country DID NOT vote for “the one” and don’t want to see him destroy our nation, which is exactly what will happen if the government “nationalizes” everything like NObama is trying to do.

Here is the plain simple truth. The republicans know that no stimulus/bailout package or legislation is going to help our economy. So they are playing the odds.
No republicans are going to vote for it, and when it fails and we all know that it will, just look at how well the first bailout package did, the republicans will be able say the democrats passed partisan legislation and it failed.
And the sad thing is, they will be right.

We’re going to have to do it without most of the Republicans. They are the problem, not the solution. Yesterday 78,000 people lost their jobs while bailed out Citibank negotiated to buy a fifty million dollar corporate jet. I understand now Citibank has backed out on the airplane. But the problem is still the same. The Republicans are the party of the rich. If you are among those who lost jobs, homes, health care or retirement (or are about to), the Republilcans don’t care about you. What happened happened because of the neglect and encouragement of a Republican president and a Republican congress (six years Republican controlled and two years which could uphold George W. “Herbert Hoover” Bush’s vetoes). The most positive thing ordinary working people can do to dig ourselves out of this is to vote against the naysayers every time we get a chance. Otherwise workers and their families will be stabbed in the back again and again so the rich CEOs can get their redecorated offices, huge bonuses, many houses (i.e. John McCain) and corporate jets.

bho: “1/2 of the country DID NOT vote for “the one” ”
This is an easily verified lie, just look at the election returns. It wasn’t close in the popular vote or electoral vote. Obama won by a historic margin only matched once – by the incumbent Reagan in 1984.
Far more than 50% of the country voted for Obama, and unless you’re a child left behind that is much more than half.

One of you Obamamaniacs please explain how you believe that billions going to ACORN would stimulate the economy. As far as I am concerned, Obama is merely trying to “pay back” ACORN for getting him elected.

Posted by: jhw539 | Jan 27, 2009 12:27:14 PM
Let me rephrase…..nearly 1/2 the country DID NOT vote for Obama. You can’t deny that many millions of people their representation.

bho: “please explain how you believe that billions going to ACORN would stimulate the economy.”
Why would we bother debating a strawman bumpersticker that is so far from reality? Perhaps you want to debate why the Republicans want to give billions to the Easter Bunny.

Boehner has to go!! He is at the old stale-mate politics again. The Republicans had nothing to offer this country for eight years, except how to make their rich friends richer. So, its time to shut them up for good. Go with the plan

The Republicans don’t want Obama to succeed. They also don’t care about middle class Americans or anyone because even the rich are taking a hit. It’s pathetic that to hurt Obama they are willing to hurt this country.

Obama has gone way beyond what any president has done to reach out to the Republicans. Bush met with Democrats (twice in eight years).
Obama is going to Capital Hill, not waiting for them to come to the White House. He is being humble, although his HUGE landslide victory doesn’t require he do this. But the Republicans just don’t want to work with the president.
Obama could play hardball and steam roll the Republicans, but they just haven’t learned.

I voted for Obama and I agree with the Republican leadership on this one. Now is NOT the time for the Dems to pad important bills with their liberal pet causes. Digital tv coupons, contraceptives and resodding the national mall are NOT worth risking the economic security of our nation right now. This, to me, is a perfect example of why we need checks and balances in our government. For 6 years the Republicans were able to do basically whatever they wanted because the Democrats in Congress were not only a minority but a WEAK minority. Many of the problems we have today are a result of that imbalance of power. The Democrats cannot please their entire liberal base all at once. We need to FOCUS on the main problems and once our country starts heading in the right direction we can look at the Arts, contraception and the rights of all Americans to have television and green lawns. FOCUS people.

bho: “Let me rephrase…..nearly 1/2 the country DID NOT vote for Obama. You can’t deny that many millions of people their representation.”
They have their representation, but this is a majority rules country. And perhaps you are actually ignorant of reality:
Barack Obama received more votes than any presidential candidate in the history of America.
Taking into account population growth, you can look at the percentage. There, only the incumbent Reagan has ever had a higher percentage of the population vote for him (Reagan had nowhere near the support of Obama in 1980).
“Those people” have their representation, but they do not have the right to hold the vast majority hostage to their failed ideology.

allie08: “Now is NOT the time for the Dems to pad important bills with their liberal pet causes. Digital tv coupons, contraceptives and resodding the national mall are NOT worth risking the economic security of our nation right now.”
You seem to be ignorant of what an economic incentive is. The government needs to spend money to as broad a range of industries as possible to stop job losses and get people solvent enough to start spending again. Resodding the lawn is NOT risking the economic security of our nation, it is directly in line with well accepted stimulus principles.
This is why we have representative, full time leader in Congress. These are not simple questions, but they have simple, catastrophically wrong, bumpersticker ‘answers.’

they voted for Obama not this bail out. they will debate endlessly for a fuel tanker, but 850 billion they want in a week?

It sounds like Rep Pelosi needs an anvil back on her head.

Boehner….the new Dr. No.

The only things the Republicans should request for approval is the removal of Palosi. As a Ind. that voted for Obama this year I will second that motion. Palosi is one of the problems, not one of the solutions.

Another way to look at supporting contraceptives is planned pregnancy/parenthood verses unplanned pregnancy that can potentially keep young women from pursuing college, a job, and possibly utilizing medical facilities supported by tax payers money. This is more true in low income areas. Note how low income usually correlates with a low education level. Not calling any one stupid, just not informed.
In other words, spending money on contrceptives may seem unwise but it could be a wise investment. Future dividends could mean less young women on welfare besides healhtier babies.
The re-sodding of the National Mall, well, it creates jobs to improve a national landmark. The Tennesse congress woman said its jobs that are needed to help stimulate the economy, well, fixing the National Mall will create many jobs. Again, an investment that MAY pay off in the future.
Just a thought republicans.

Let’s remember that the Demo’s are the one’s that pushed the last package to financial institutions who were allowed to do anything except help the consumer with the money. The Demo’s snd Comrade Pelosi still can’t follow the money. The Rep’s want something that will protect “TAXPAYERS”. tHOSE THAT PAY NO TAXES SHOULD RECEIVE ANY PART OF THE STIMULUS PACKAGE. This Democratic idea of giving stimulus money to those that didn’t pay taxes is stupid. If any stimulus money or tax breaks are given, they should go to those that pay those taxes and not those that don’t.

The republicans are right to do this. This spending spree will not work. I admire the way the party is getting back to their economic libertarian view. Hopefully, they won’t get drunk with corruption like they did under GWB.

wonderofitall: “Our country controlled by oil companies.” Please explain, in detail, how the oil companies control the United States of America. We’re waiting…

Yes drop the pork monies and then submit for approval. I, as a tax payer do not want to pay for Nascar or any other pork such as contraceptives. Right now it is a emergancy economic crisis and that is all it should address. Go away Palosi and Reid and quit harming your country.

Interesting how Boner and his buddies are suddenly so concerned. For eight years they shouted “Heil Bush” every time Dub’ya asked for money. Funny how that works.

CW:”Yes drop the pork monies and then submit for approval. I, as a tax payer do not want to pay for Nascar or any other pork such as contraceptives.”
Do you understand what the stimulus really is? It IS spending on Nascar, resodding lawns, repairing bridges, offering scholarships to hair dresser schools, building a health clinic in the Appalachians, etc.
Please define ‘pork’ and then define ‘stimulus’ in specific, non-soundbite terms. Otherwise you’re just adding noise to the discussion.

jhw539 – I am most certainly NOT ignorant of what an economic stimulus package is…perhaps you are ignorant about congessional compromise. Republicans are not going to agree to a bill that is PADDED with contraceptive funding. (as proven by the fact that it has already been dropped from the bill since my last post). I have no problem with resodding the Mall (which could create a few short term jobs) or contraceptives. (Not sure how I feel about the tv thing.) Personally, I voted for Obama because he seemed more likely than McCain to work both sides of the aisle. I don’t want a president that is going to agree to every liberal demand just like I never wanted a president who agreed to every conservative demand. As a moderate, I want common sense answers that will WORK.

Like the PRESIDENT said- He won. Like Bush has said “I am the decider.” The Republicans are being brats!!! They are like kids having their candy taken away!! They need to grow up, work towards getting this economy together not say NO because we can. At least Obama gave them a voice. No closed door CEO meetings…..etc..

Republicans have spent almost 10 trillion dollars over the past 8 years. The people are cleaning house on them as fast as the election process will allow. If I were a republican I would be independent now. The republican “party” is over.

CitizenAJ – good post, but don’t try common sense and rational thought. The Republicans want to appear as the party of “opposition” to run-away spending. Looking over their shoulder at the trillion dollar deficit and their handling of the economy for 8 years is not required now. More tax cuts for trickle down is as fixated in their mind as their hands on their zippers.

The Democrats did not allow any GOP adjustments to this stimulus bill.
LET me quote Nancy Pelosi……..
“We (Dems) wrote the bill”
“We (Dems) won the election.”
It’s really ashame the most corrupt institution in America, our mostly liberal MSM wolfpack press, can’t remind folks of this HARD LINE approach by Queen Lying Nancy.
Dems………..YOU own the economy, since taking over our Do Nothing Democrat Congress over two years ago now.
Thanks for the recession……..
This stimulus bill = an IOU gift to all the thousands of Dem special interest groups…….and that’s the facts folks…….

I think you are right, Truth. It maybe due to pay to play or quid pro quo.

Just a thought, but why not give the money to hardworking homeowners, let them pay off their homes, be debt free in terms of housing and then they can spend more money. I could certainly spend my money better than Wall Street and all of these crooks that are going to use it get out of the fixes they are in and not take care of those of us that have worked hard and honestly for our money.

Bushie Jr. and the repubs are the ones responsible for getting the country into the mess it is in and now, to make things worse, since they don’t want Obama to look good trying to solve the problems they have created, like little children they are taking their bat and ball and refusing to play. I say vote out all the obstinate repubs in 2010 so that something can get done in this country. The repubs are a bunch of obstructionist jerkoffs.

TRUTH
100 PERCENT CORRECT!

Sonny: “This is wrong, We have had a president that won 100% of the vote, now you Obamabots might want to look into things before you run off at the mouth”
Quit lying. We have never had a president that won 100% of the population. Most people understand what it means when it is said, “highest percentage of the American population” (100% of the population isn’t even eligible to vote!).

Some of posts are laughable and some are just pathetic. Boehner is trying to put some sort of governance on what is becoming another pork barrel spending bill. Come on, are contraceptives going to stimulate the economy (perhaps something else)? These non-job spending requests should be part of separate bills to avoid this sort of politics as usual.
As a father of 5, I don’t want to see my kids struggle to provide for themselves which is exactly what will happen when the tax bills start to come due. All of you should be equally concerned, especially since these 5 kids will be struggling to help pay for YOUR social security (or what’s left of it).

BO
Sorry to disapoint you but alot of Republicans voted for Obama because they are fed up with the GOP

Obama the Gop Are the minority now Please do remind them!

When the House tried to pass the LAST bailout bill, they blamed it on Republicans that it did not pass WHEN all the Democratic votes they needed to pass it VOTED NO, ALSO!
THEY DID NOT NEED REPUBLICANS TO PASS THE LAST BAILOUT, THEY DO NOT NEED THEM NOW.
Like I said before, if the DEMOCRATS are SO SURE it will work, PASS THE damned thing and shut the HELL UP! You do not NEED the Republicans to pass it anyways.
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RIGHT ON !!!
The Democras JUST can’t make a HARD decision………just the FACTS.
Look Bush had to put together a plan and money for the US auto companies because Nancy and Harry left town on vacation before doing their JOB.
What a sad Party, the Dems….really sad

Vote No…..mess they are about to create? Are we not already in a mess, and trying to get out of it before it becomes another Great Depression?

jhw – hyperpartisanship comes from the likes of Pelosi and company, who won’t even consider other options. “Our way or no way” I agree with ajax – Dems have the majority – vote it through. But no, they won’t do that. They need to have the Reps vote for it to so when it doesn’t work, and it certainly won’t, they can blame the Reps as well (or totally, as has been the case for the last 20 years).

I do believe Obama will reach an agreement with all concerned parties. He is not a hip shooter like Bush and believes in open communication. The republicans are living in the same economy as the Dem’s and we are all hurting. Did anyone acually expect the bill would just pass without some bending on both sides of the isle? It can not be just one way or another any longer. As Obama as said this is bigger than a just a Rep problem or Dem problem but its an America problem. I have faith that they will come to an agreement on the least of the evils they will have to choose.

Been watchin these guys (republican’ts) for 60 years. It’s all about the game. Never about us. We can’t wait for them to die so they must be voted out. Everybody needs to be awake… send the message. It’s about our country not whether the suits win or lose.

Good for the Repub’s! Don’t let the gov’t continue to run amuck with no controls!!

“hyperpartisanship comes from the likes of Pelosi and company,”
Then why are you attacking President Obama, who Pelosi has also criticized (for his pragmatic tax positions and inclusion of so many Republican ideas in the stimulous proposal)?

BO
My point is Obama has alot of Republican support out here unless of course you belong to the Hannity Oreily Limbaugh freak show!

The last eight years of total or near total Republican rule have led us to financial disaster, and want to stand in the way of the attempts to fix the mess they have made. They are truly a one-trick pony – tax cuts for the wealthy…tax cuts for big business..tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts… Meanwhile our infrastructure rots, we’ve fallen from the envy of the world to 37th in healthcare, and fall behind other modern democracies on health indicators. — But the One-Trick Republicans still haven’t learned that tax cuts aren’t the cure-all, especially those targeted at the wealthy. They haven’t learned the wealth doesn’t trickle down, and that a society that doesn’t invest in itself rots.—How many times do they have to be wrong before we stop listening?

Mr. Boehner likes to tinkle in the wind – but often that can come back to fly right in your face. Some do not and should not forget that he said in September “We don’t need more federal involvement in our markets,” Boehner told reporters. “We need this issue to resolve itself.” But within hours, Boehner was backing the $85 billion bailout of insurance giant AIG, and by the end of the week, he was standing foursquare behind Paulson and Bernanke in supporting what the largest bailout in American history. Boehner’s turnaround matched that of Presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), who said “the fundamentals of the economy are strong” but three days late spent the rest of the week scrambling to get ahead of the unfolding crisis, even saying he would like to fire fellow Republican and former Rep. Chris Cox (Calif.) as head of the Securities and Exchange Commission. Now along comes President Obama who rather than focused on AIG, Banks, Corporate America focuses on people, creating immediate jobs, folding in health care, energy and foresight and Mr. Boehner raises the flag of opposition – we can’t spend the taxpayer’s money this way. Well why not – obviously you got it wrong the first time.

stimulus worked last time ha ha ha ha

jhw – I have not attacked Obama – perhaps others have. He still needs to prove to me his mettle, though. To get the conservatives in this country to believe that maybe, just maybe, there is bipartisanship, BO needs to stand up and make sure that the bogus spending in this bill goes away and to play bipartisan politics. For those who want to scream that the Reps did not make sure the banks were accountable – look back to the news of the day. The Reps were beat up for holding up the package because they wanted more accountability built in for the taxpayers. Alas, that didn’t happen because the majority Dems wouldn’t put it in there. You all need to get the facts straight.

Partisanship and passive-aggressive control by reluctance to work constructively together, Mr. Boehner. Those are the only things you’re about, and you might want to remember that this is precisely what got your red team trounced in this most recent election. It’ll jump up and bite you again next election cycle, too. This country wants to get past this sort of nonsense, and you can either be part of the problem like you clearly are now. Or part of the solution.

jhw539: ‘Pork barrel’ is meaningless.
When it comes to politicians spending my money (remember it’s our money they are spending), then it is not meaningless. We are talking about hundreds of billions of our money and our kids money. You may not care, but I do. I have to live within my means and take care of my family.
I’m not sure about your situation, but everyday people just like me struggle to ensure that have a decent life and one for their family. I just want the government to act responsibly.

Of course you right Angie, Obama and “his puppets” know all about “support” cause they’ve been on the recieving end for so long. Now it’s payback time. Obama wants to give billions to ACORN for getting him elected. Payback is hell, you know, problem is, it isn’t his money he wants to give them.

The Republicans just dont and wont get it THEIR FAILED IDEALS DO NOT WORK can then not see what their policies have done to us?? WE NEED MODERATE REPUBLICANS IN THERE not far righties like we have

jhw and some others out there- why don’t you come out of the back 40 and stand at the fence for once, then we can talk. You folks are partisanship at it’s best.

@jhw539,
Well, like I said, You all vote in it and we will see what history shows. If it works, then you all have more fuel for your fire… if it doesn’t……..

BO
Stop just stop with your right wing lies!

Republicans no longer own the WH – they and bush pretty much destroyed this country. the party is over – they are no longer relevant. Obama is trying to give them a little room. But as a whole, anyone who votes republican is not dealing in the real world. I think Obama and the rest of us should just pat them on the head and go our own way.

Republicans have spent almost 10 trillion dollars over the past 8 years. The people are cleaning house on them as fast as the election process will allow. If I were a republican I would be independent now. The republican “party” is over.

cjr:”I think Obama and the rest of us should just pat them on the head and go our own way.”
I agree… Go your own way. PASS THE THING and SHUT UP ABOUT IT!
Then in time, we will see what happens.

GladTheyCanSaveUs: “why don’t you come out of the back 40 and stand at the fence for once, ”
How? You’re not saying anything other than Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, is partisan and shrill. The sky’s blue, and water is wet.
“BO needs to stand up and make sure that the bogus spending in this bill goes away and to play bipartisan politics.”
“Bogus spending.” Yes, lets get out the pork and payoffs to supporters and maximize the synergy of the new paradigm…
You can talk at the fence all you want, but it doesn’t seem to be dealing with reality, just slogans. The stimulous bill is ALL ABOUT spending money to the widest breath of industry possible to get people working and businesses investing again. Pork is a meat, not a defined budgetary term or project – why doesn’t anyone talk in reality terms? Perhaps because then they can be shown wrong (for example, lawn resodding of a park is textbook definition of a stimulus).

The Gop had no Problem with Bushie’s spending habits all the Billions of our money wasted in his lying Iraq war no problems there and now all of a sudden they want to tell President Obama how to be fiscially Responsible pleeeeeeeeeze

ajax: “If it works, then you all have more fuel for your fire… if it doesn’t……..”
Exactly. Although by that rationale I’m puzzled how you can support the Republicans, who history has shown to be utter failures.
Anyhow, back to work for me. Have fun.

Point #2…the actual quote from Boehner was “While we certainly appreciate the willingness of the President to come to Capitol Hill, the problem remains with Congressional Democrats who are moving forward with little regard toward improving the bill. Unless the Speaker agrees to make changes, then congressional Democrats should not count on our support.”
There was no talk of not supporting President Obama, but there is an unwillingness to have it shoved down their throats by Democrats without any discussion, debate, or compromise. Remember, it was Pelosi who said that they have the opportunity to make it bipartisan if they just vote for it. In other words, shut up and do what we want. At least President Obama is making an effort to talk to the Republicans about their concerns and listen to their ideas. More than the Congressional Democrats appear ready to do. The headline is MISLEADING!

GENE
RIGHT ON the Economy does not start from the top down it starts from the bottom up!The same thing when you build a house you build it from the ground up!

I am an obama supporter And I think Pelosi has to go, I see him having alot of problems with her shes too partisan and Obama is not!

RE: Contraceptives and the Economy
It is much more difficult making personal economic progress, especially as a single parent. Raising a child is expensive. It takes young women out of the work force so they can be responsible for their infant. So even if a young woman wants to work, having a child complicates this immensely. Did you know that most day care facilities only accept 1 year olds?
Family planning (and the use of contraceptives) helps families prepare to be responsible parents and members of society.

pooh…this bill can pass without the Republican support. If the plan doesn’t work (and this is what the Republicans believe), will you blame the Democrats? Or will you try to find some way to still pin it on the Republicans and/or the Bush adminstration?
The Republicans want to help the American family, by giving them more money in their pockets to take care of their needs (and wants), and more money in the businesses’ pockets to expand, hire more workers, and increase demand that way. They believe that the government spending is just a change in the composition of demand (pulling money out of the private sector that would have been spent/invested elsewhere and putting it in the public sector where the government decides where it goes), rather than increasing demand. They want to put the money directly into your pocket, not indirectly through the government spending plans (where, unless you are one of their “chosen” industries, you are scr*wed).
I repeat, this is NOT a trickle-down vs. trickle-up debate. It is a free-market vs. government-controlled market debate.

Question for all…whatever money lands in your pockets from this recovery package (either through tax cut/rebate, job “created or saved” through government spending), what will you do with the money? Buy American-made goods, or cheap, foreigh goods? You can be part of the problem or part of the solution to the economic woes of the US.

“Politics of personal destruction is all they know and it is sad for the country.”
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Holly,
You mean like the way liberals treated Palin? Seems to me that was the pure definition of personal destruction.

“Dont these Republican respect the voice of the people.”
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Dee,
You mean the same way liberals just got out of the way for Bush after he was elected?
Come On People….Grow Up!
Stop acting like 1st graders who are whining because someone is making fun of your new clothes! NONE of you gave Bush what you seem to demand the rest of us MUST give Obama.
EVERYONE needs to listen to Colin Powell’s views of how partisanship is something we need in our government.

MIKE C
Oh pleeze dont go blaming the Liberals for brainless Palin she brought her own Misery on herself Its not the Democrats fault the woman is a Brainless Airhead!

Angie…so true. Seems like the American public has been at it for a while. Well, everyone got their cheap toys, cheap electronics, and cheap goods from overseas markets where the wages are tiny compared to US wages. I guess if we would have had a more protectionist tariff and quota policy, we might not be able to say that, but we would have hurt the export markets we do have. Most folks would also not have the standard of living (if measured by the amount & variety of stuff they have) they currently enjoy. There are pros and cons to a global marketplace. It seems like we want all of the pros but none of the cons. It seems like a much more complex issue, doesn’t it?

Mom…Greed is not the fault of the free market (besides, there is greed in government-controlled spending, which is why we have so much “pork” in spending bills). Ah, but the root of greed is the subject of a different discussion.
The government will never be able to fully control greed (it is a human condition); at best, they will just control who gets to take advantage of their greedy nature. Free markets can work if they are given the freedom to work (i.e. the CRA telling banks to loan to applicants who would not otherwise qualify for a loan because they are too risky is NOT free market). They may even be able to limit some of the ability of the greedy to take full advantage of situations (like oversight of financial institutions and financial instruments, or not allowing folks to stay on the dole indefinitely). But government is NOT the answer to our ills, and their ability to oversee things diminshes as their size grows. Case in point, perfectly healthy individuals collecting disability and other benefits rather than going back to work. If you look to government to solve all of the ills of society, you will be sadly disappointed.

Holly,
The attacks on her policies & political beliefs are by all means fair game!
You KNOW what I meant. Attacking her family, husband, & her children was the LIBERAL politics of personal destruction!
All the BS from the feminists who now when it was a Republican woman reaching these heights suddenly dropped their 35 yr old stance that a woman surely can have a career and a family. Those who never once said its a bad thing for a woman to work while having young children suddenly were “so concerned” for her youngest one.
Then there was all the crap flying from the left about her teenage daughter who got pregnant. All of a sudden that was because Palin was a terrible mother and because of that she could not possibly claim to have family values. That was followed up by ugly rumors floated by democratic operatives that palin’s autistic child was really the daughter’s,…etc
All that was way way past the line.
On top of that, add the NY times reporter who was stalking teens on facebook to try to gather “dirt” on Cindy McCain!
Yeah, all these things were done by liberals in the name politics.
Yet, when the shoe went to other foot, everything in Obama’s past was off limits,…he never had a “real relationship” with any of the shady people in his past.
Yes, it was indeed a very lovely comparison!

Ok the nation is watching, if the “space cadets” don’t want to work together with our president then…..steam roll em Prez. They still don’t get it!

sara wilson…if “working with” the President is bowing to whatever he wants with not discussion, no objections, nothing but turning their backs on a foundational belief concerning how this economy works, then I guess your version of “bipartisanship” won’t happen.

These same old tired republicans that sat on their tails and allowed the first 350 billion go unchecked, should sit and work across the aisle, instead of pretending that’s what they do. No they can punch a hole, but why punch one if they can’t fill it.

Mike,
As a feminist, my problem with Sarah Palin had nothing to do with her party or family and everything to do with the fact that she could not name a supreme court decision, identify the Bush Doctrine or a magazine that she reads regularly. She could not discuss economic issues and repeated ugly rhetoric at her rallies. I don’t know of any reputable liberal blogs that talked about the garbage that you are posting. But Sara is right, Sarah Palin is not what this board is discussing. Try to move beyond name calling.

The Dems like hearings but not for their own. Barny Frank, Chris Dobb, and Chuckie Schumer should all be investigated for putting us in this fix. They are the ones that pushed mortgage loans to the ones who shouldn’t get them for lack of funds. Why arn’t the Dems investing why we are in this fix? Also why are the ones that caused this problem still in office and trying to fix it. A good example is B Frank giving all that money to his favorite bank.

When I look at all these prior posts, I wonder if this blog will even allow a position that isn’t overwhelmingly for the current stimulus package, but I shall try nonetheless. I don’t consider myself a Republican or a Democrat, I consider myself an American first and foremost and that is where my focus lies when I analyze these difficult times before our great country. We need a package that is well thought out and not hastily thrown together will ridiculous spending that has no benefit to the economy. Our Congress has failed us repeatedly; I pray to God that they do the right thing for the American people this time.

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