In Philadelphia This Morning, Obama to Call for “A New Declaration of Independence”

“A planet that is warming from our unsustainable dependance on oil”. Again with the global warming – just the middle of the U.S. has been caught in a record deep freeze. Nice one, Barry.

Referencing Lincoln… Getting inspiration from the Deceleration of Independence… Is Obama really about change and looking forward?

We are just two states away from havng a Constitutional Convention. Once called House and Senate members can RE-DRAFT A NEW CONSTITUTION!!!! and eliminate basic rights and freedoms like the 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th Amendment…Period. Please look this up for yourselves and CALL your legislatore in the House and Senate and tell them you DO NOT WANT a Constitutional Convention. Can you imagine if Bush or now Obama rewrites the Constitution and uses his well funded “civillian security force” (Obama) OR Blackwater USA (Bush) which is now operational IN the United States! to enforce it… Please call your representative NOW, while we still have a semblance of a country left!

How can you all stand to wake up, start a new day, and already be so full of bitter ignorant resentment? What does it say about your hopes for our country when you already want our president to fail before he even takes office? Remember, he’s the one with the 80%+ approval rating. Maybe you’d better get back in bed and try a fresh start.

By the comments I see a lot of people can’t read or just went with the title of the article and didnt bother to read the content. Too bad you didnt read it. Obama was talking directly to YOU! “not just in our nation, but in our own lives from ideology and small thinking, prejudice and bigotry” Yeah, that sums you all up.

Why does this guy keep talking about “bigotry”??? They even play the race card when they’re ahead. What is wrong with you democrats??!??

Awake here…very awake. Unfortunately, many will wake up a little too late.
I wonder why all the hope now has turned to gloom and doom. Obama appeared weak during the campaign and now the United States will appear weak. I am not confident in Obama’s ability to get us through these difficult times.

Is this the new declaration of protectionism,isolationism,regulation and nationalism that sparks rise to the new socialistic agenda that we have see in transition with Bush and carried to new heights by our new “savior”? This agenda to bankrupt our nation and make it subject to the new and coming world order. There is no difference between the overall Republican and Democratic agendas. It is all smoke and mirrors for the masses. The real power brokers of the world steadily march on to erode what few true liberties we have left.

I fully agree that Obama has little to stand on. He is constantly comparing himself to great leaders in our countries history. That IS ego.
Many of us saw straight through Obama’s rhetoric. I myself supported him early on but wondered who the hell he was so I then backed Hillary. After the primary nightmare, being accused of being a racist for not supporting the Dem nominee, I voted Republican for the first time. My party left me.
Too little is known…too much media fluff…too much of his OWN fluff. The only thing this guy has done, is being a successful politician. Doesn’t anyone remember that this “historical figure” pushed the WRONG button several times when he voted? He lied about his early stance on guns when it was in his own handwriting? What about the whole Rev. Wright thing? Let’s forget about all of that since it is in the past, right?
Obama may be the first African-American president, but that doesn’t mean he should be comparing himself to great leaders when he has nothing to show for it. Maybe time will prove otherwise, but his rhetoric is off-putting.

I’m happy with the old one thanks.

A new Declaration of Independence…OY VEY…and I suppose he thinks HE is the only one who could write it. Oh brother we’re in trouble.

John Brown – I DID read the article. I also read between the lines. And I did NOT like what I read.

sheesh, listening to these comments makes me painfully aware of the millions of people living in the country who still havent got the message…
your guy lost!, your party lost!….its over, move on, grow up, get used to it.

I’m sad reading all the comments of people who seem so unable to hope for better things from our new president.
My wish for them is that their hearts will open as the days go by and they see better things happening in this country for themselves and their children.

farga- just because the Republicans lost doesn’t mean they can’t fight against what they think is wrong. Isn’t that what the Democrats did for the last 8 years? And for anyone who voted, they have the right to complain as much as they want – without being told to “get over it”.

Rosie – You do know that the Declaration of Independence was written in the 1700′s, not the 1800′s, don’t you? And you are missing the point. It is not about going back to when it was written, but about CHANGING who we are as a country. The real issue is what kind of change it is going to be.

Obama is just out of touch with real America…the one’s who voted for him were poorly informed, or they just did not care about anything. So…Obama can actually change anything he wants b/c people are so blindly stupid, they would not recognize it anyway….just my two cents and I went to Harvard!

WOW! I’m totally blown away by the level of ignorance in the first half dozen comments. You guys should RTFA at a minimum before you start yapping.
PS – Obama is speaking DIRECTLY to YOU!

This multiracial aspect of Obama is the only reason he is president. I bet over 50% of the people that voted for him do not know his position on most major issue. Heck, I don’t beleive he knows until someone with experience tells him. He is an idealog without substance or experience. He bees in charge like it or not. I will pray that God gives him wisdom to be an true American and support our agenda and not the UN’s. Somehow I just don’t see this happening.
I beg all to pray for this president and our nation. We are going to need all the help we can get in the future.

Most likely a pile of nothing! What an empty suit??
I would like to see him try that though and watch watch happens! Who is this guy really. I don’t think he understands what he is doing. Make sure you are calling all of your elected officials on a regular basis as it is full court press time. Call media outlets also and complain about their biased coverage.
God Bless America!

WE THE PEOPLE: Wow, just wow. I’m truly worried about the future of this country if its heavily populated with folks such as yourself. Obama isn’t an idealog AT ALL. In fact, the last 8 years permeated American from the top down with ideologies and philosophies — that is a classic case. Obama has yet to serve a day in office so I’m not quite sure how you can make that claim. Normally, a rational thinking person would make that claim based off actions, not thin air.

While it’s probably true that 50% of the country doesn’t like Obama, he,unlike Bush, has the media in his pocket so he won’t be treated the same. Personally I don’t dislike him but his adoring followers truly creep me out.

The one thing that seems to escape so many of the unhappy losing posters here today, is that in America, those on the other side of issues are called upon to be the “loyal” opposition, not part of the problem.

John Brown: What makes you think people didn’t read the article? Because people are making comments that show they can think for themselves, and decipher something they’ve just read?
Thanks but no thanks Barry, I don’t need you telling me that I need to completely change how I think. What makes him assume to know how I think, and that it needs to be changed? This goes along the lines of how someone can’t be against Obama w/out being labeled a racist.

This country is more divided now than before the Civil War. We are divided by racial bigotry, religious dogma, political ideology, cultural bias, big divide between the have and have nots, and plain ole greed and hate. We share very few common goals and now we are trying to institute a two languge system. Sounds like another 3rd world country to me. Obama cannot fix these issues as he exemplies these differences just because of who he is and his background. I don’t think he is a bad person just the one we do not need at this present time to be President due to his agenda and ideals.

Wow – now we have all sorts of people quickly explaining what Obama “meant” by his comments. He meant what he said. Just like when he said only government can get us out of this mess. The guy’s a Socialist. Accept it and stop making excuses for him.
Does anyone else think it’s dangerous to be feeding a politician’s ego like this? He is declaring himself The Chosen One and everyone is either going along with it or looking the other way.

Is it really all about the middle class, or is about him? Pretty easy to tell from my standpoint.

Wow! Thank you ABC for posting this story. You are the only main media news source to post this story. IF it were FOX it would be considered biased. I think the American people need to look up that need to wake up to what is happening. We are witnessing a drastic shift in our balance of power as seen by the fact that Representative Jose Serrano (D) has introduced a bill in the House to abolish the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, which limits presidents to two consecutive terms or ten years in office. He isn’t even in office yet and they are wanting to extend his presidency. THIS IS INSANITY. Apparently, poverty, crime, taxes, homelessness, and unemployment are of secondary concern to Baltimore State Senator Lisa Gladden, a democrat. IF our officials are this biased towards him are they really representing what is in OUR best interest. I wish Obama the best for this country but balance is what our forefathers intended nit dynasties.

I agree that it is time this nation opens its eyes and its hearts in order to stop the evils of close minded bigotry. This nation needs to liberate itself from it’s hendering stigmas. People want to act selfish and claim helping your fellow man is a negative thing. What’s worse is most of the people that close their hearts are one that claim to be Christians. Christ would have accepted anyone as he brother or sister and let them dine at the same table. God is about ultimate love and acceptance, not ultimate exclusion and hatred for being different. This nation divided will fall but if we work together can be great and over come any adversity. Together we can make a new golden age. Accept God’s grace and love then share it with all manknind.

for one bush did the same thing.for you kool-aid drinking republicans. and it was know problem.i dont vote but i do see white people ride through my middle class neigbrood hood. and and call us monkeys i see police picking on young black males for no reason so tell me why can’t the man talk about racist.and by the way am white

Americans Against….: Did you need to call me a dimwit in order to make your point? Does a childish grade school name calling reference make you seem that much more intelligent?
Or is this how you react to anyone who doesn’t agree with you?
What caused the global temps to rise during the Middle Ages? All the peat being burned for fuel?
Learn to deal more rationally with those you disagree with. It will make you appear marginally intelligent, although I sense that is already a lost cause.

And I quote “Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again”. LOL. Well he, at least Obama doesn’t make up words in the middle of his speeches. I find that VERY refreshing and hey, he did write is own book too.

Dagny;
Thank you, that was exactly what I meant. Am glad there are people like you, who can grab a meaning not those pretending to understand the way they want!!!!

WE THE PEOPLE: Harley a “liberal elitist” here (whatever that means, just another campaign buzz word to me) as I’m a Constitutional Conservative, actually. If you were paying attention you’d know that Obama’s message is pretty right leaning. He is calling on INDIVIDUALS, not government, to take step up and make a difference. So my question is, what are YOU doing (besides complaining)???

He implied as much when he spoke about how one day a light will shine down on you [any voter] and, you will see the light and vote for Obama. He’s been pretty straightforward about who he thinks he is, throughout the entire campaign.
Yet, the guy has done nothing. He’s done nothing for the last two years as my U.S. Senator except run for president. He did nothing as a state senator except whatever Sen. Emil Jones told him to do and helped him do. That’s a fact.
How well do you know the political history of this Chicago politician who is about to lead our nation?
Burris was seated as U.S. Senator even though Reid, and initially Obama, said that wouldn’t happen. Reid got owned by Chicago and the rest of the U.S. is about to, as well.
At least you were able to ask me a polite question and not call me a name, which is very cool and shows that you’re a decent person [like most folks are].

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness +++++++ The only change I see that needs to be made is changing “men” to “people”. We do not need to be reminded over and over by this man about “ideology and small thinking, prejudice and bigotry”. It seems his call against racism and forms thereof, are always directed at people other than color and or minorities. When something goes wrong or people don’t agree with him, he is always quick to use the race card. If Obama is talking about a “New World Order”, forget about it. Been there, done that and that’s why we wrote the original Declaration of Independence. All we have to do is RESPECT the rest of the world, not to incorporate a “New World Order”.

I think there’e a Messiah Complex going on in the US right now. A mass Hopenosis of the people!!

Interested08- I know people didnt read the article, because they insisted that he called for a new Constitution when he did no such thing. You on the other hand are still bitter over Nov. 4th results and don’t care what he said good or bad you are just anti-Obama.

So U.S. President-elect Barack Obama will retrace a route taken by President Abraham Lincoln in 1861 as he travels by train from Philadelphia to Washington Saturday ahead of Tuesday’s inauguration ceremony. To those who believe in reincarnation, coulb he be the rebirth of Abraham Linclon?

Diane: I forgot to note your name in my reply [below] regarding Obama as The Chosen One. Sorry ’bout that – it seems out of context without it.

Obama is calling on individuals to step up????
Can people not see thorough this crap???
It is to make the masses believe…oh there is that word again…that they can make a difference. Face it, we are the sheep being let to the slaughter. Did the power players listen to the masses when it came to the bailout? Did they listen to us about fuel efficiency? Did they listen to us about seating Burris? Do they ever REALLY listen to us or do what they want to do?
Whatever…many Americans are selfish and fake. They spend money on big cars, big houses and flashy clothes. Our morals in America have gone to crap. Many youngsters today think that they are entitled and believe that the government will solve all of their problems. “You owe us!” can be heard on every street corner.

John Brown – No one claimed he is saying anything about the Constitution in his speech. They are asking what change he wants next (after the Declaration of Independence) – and are asking if it is the Constitution.

Yes a new Declaration of Independence from the elected few who decide (often with self interest),for all the tax paying Americans with total disregard to what the people want and what is in the best interest of the country; sounds like something that is long overdue. Elected government of the past 8 years decided to wage a war under false pretext, go on a massive spending spree to jack up the deficits and bring economic ruin, a behavior not in keeping with American ideals. It is time to declare independence from poor governance, lack of strategic thinking, fear mongering to justify a certain course of action and steering a nation along a disastrous path. Let freedom ring and true independence prevail. God speed to the soon to be the 44th president of USA and to a new dawn for America and our planet.

JJ – it is not up to Obama to fix the economy. It is up to all of us. Everyone is sitting around waiting for a bailout. Where do they think that money is going to come from?

Obama “the first BLACK president”Yeah right !!! THE GUY IS HALF WHITE and RAISED BY HIS WHITE FAMILY.
This is a fact.

Obama’s All Hype- No Substance

serio..? who the heck does this dude think he is trying to change stuff that doesnt need fixing..! sorry mr.president but true..! dont try to fix it if it aint broken.

Where_ConcernedIs_Really_Needed – I’m sick of my taxes being spent on people who won’t get off their butts and take care of themselves. I’m sick of my taxes being spent on women who keep having babies so that welfare check will increase. I am sick of my taxes being spent to fund studies of things that don’t matter (like the infamous “flow rate of ketchup”). I am sick of my taxes subsidizing business that can’t survive on their own. I am sick of my taxes propping up a bloated bureaucracy that is our government. The only thing the Federal government should be collecting taxes for is national security. They should not be in the business of anything else.

To those who are comparing Obama and Lincoln. Depending on your heritage Lincoln is a savior or distroyer. He not only waged war with a pretence to end slavery but to distroy a culture. A look at Sherman’s march which was not needed. The war was lost well before this happened. Obama is playing the race card again due to Lincoln’s unique position with slavery. This as was Lincoln smoke and mirrors for his true agenda.

Prediction……. Martial Law In The Us Within 6 Months

ellsbells930:
The article is not only about Declaration of Independence, it also quotes about Lincoln. How he did his trip. Thats why I wrote earlier that Obama is making formalities.
Can you please revisit the whole article again and get the really meaning of it.

WE THE PEOPLE: I know exactly what you are saying, but to blame just the “liberals” or Obama is foolish. I also consider myself an independent in addition to being a Constitutional Conservative. I can’t get overly worked up about Obama from a policy standpoint because I don’t see much of difference between the Republican platform and the Democratic platform on some key issues. Both sides will continue to run up the national debt, increase the size of government programs, continue the military occupation of two foreign counties, and will cow tow to special interests at varying degrees over time. One difference that I do find important is the philosophy of “Borrow and Spend” vs. “Tax and Spend”. If we’re going to continue to spend, and we will, I don’t think it should be financed because at some point your lenders ending up own you.
I personally find blind party allegiance unproductive as neither side truly addresses all of my fundamental beliefs. Smaller government, foreign policy based on noninterventionism and diplomacy, principal of self-governance and individualism, gun rights, sound economic principals, and a strong national defense. These are the things that are important to me.
Even though neither party completely addresses all of them, I do hope Obama realizes that extreme partisan positions will not get us out of the hole that we’ve dug for ourselves. I’m happy that we elected an intellectual who won’t embarrass our nation by creating words out of thin air and will actually consider all options rather than rely on “gut feeling”. I do wish that he will restore our credibility across the globe, halt the occupation of Iraq, and stop the transfer of American wealth to foreign nations.
RedneckBob

ajax–I’ve looked and looked- can’t find it. Read his acceptance speech from the Dem Convention (love google). Still can’t find it. Not that I don’t believe you, but I wanted to the the context, etc. If someone asks voters to testify and witness for him (especially in the context of the convention) that he is hoping they will. I don’t read it as being THE-CHOSEN_ONe. I’m reading it as “vote for me ’cause I’m running for president”.

All Hail 0Bama! A new Declaration of Independence is quite the change! I just can’t tell if he wants to have us overthrow his government and replace it with a legitimate Democracy before he is inaugurated or wait until after. Either way, count me in.

I really believe Obama wants to make good changes. BUT our corrupt CON Gress will block him. All of the crooks in Congress have to go!

Don’t some of you feel really humbled and silly now after jumping to conclusions before the speech? If you bothered to watch it, what was called for was a renewal of the spirit of the Declaration of Independence.
Perhaps the article was somewhat sensationalistic and allowed some of you to form the perception that the Pres. Elect wants to “make a new one”. If any of you truly believe that I truly suggest you visit your local Congressman or Senator’s office and discuss it there.
There are many gullible, uninformed, drama ridden posts about this topic.

Hey ellsbells930-
I totally agree with you. No more government support for education and services (like mail, infrastructure). No more support for fundamental research. No more support for the FDA, or EPA. No support for social security and medicare, let’s stop both of these programs right now. I like the way they do things in third world countries much better than how we do them here… just like you it sounds like. Right on!

There are two faults with Obama’s proposed speech. The first mistake was in identifying the people that organized against the tyranny of England and sent a missive to England that enumerated and charged the king with the long train of abuses and usurpation from which they were declaring their independence. . The framers and signers of this document were not ordinary people at all, but rather the cream of American society. They pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to overcoming the tyranny. It was only after their work was done and the issuance of the Declaration of Independence, that the common folk became engaged in the struggle, our war for independence which, by the way, was the grandest, most noteworthy struggle in our history. Can you imagine the cream of American society today getting involved in such an effort? I can’t, nor can I believe, with few exceptions, that most of the respondents on this board have what would be required to support the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence. Indeed, I’m doubtful that they even know what they are.
The second mistake is in laying the sacrifices that may be necessary all on the shoulders of the public at large. It is not the doing of the general population that accounts for the problems we face today. Rather, the core of our problems stem from the government’s lack of responsibility in providing the necessary safeguards for our economic and political well being. Agreeing to the rules of the WTO and NAFTA, supporting the outrages of outsourcing and illegal immigration, and wasting our resources chasing mythical enemies in Iraq are the things that have caused our current situation. Overcoming these faults requires our government to act responsibly. Furthermore, I would remind Mr. Obama, et al, that when Mr. Lincoln took the presidency that the nation’s office holders would customarily return their salaries to the United States Treasury. If American citizens are required to sacrifice, let the office-holders in congress and elsewhere, lead the way.
PS. The first person ever to rail against slavery was John Locke who proclaimed that in no other animal specie was there any evidence that one would attempt to own another. Therefore, slavery was in opposition to the natural order.

Obama is a fraud. His campaign and inauguration has been funded by private donors, among some of the biggest for his inauguration are hedge funds and banks. He constantly hails himself as an “agent of change,” but he is simply the epitomy of the liberal elite – sending his children to private schools, hiring a hollywood designer for the white house, and vacationing in a $9 mln home on Hawaii, all while preaching he is the hero of the working class! At least Republicans give you the right of equal opportunity, instead of insisting that government should decide the outcome for you. Sadly, Americans who voted for Nobama and Biden deserve this idiot.

This independance thing is pretty cool….I use to be a republican but I see the light now exspecially after I just did my taxes…. did them like my new government idols… wink wink. made an adjustment here, turned a blind eye there, HONEST mistakes everywhere and WHAM!!! BIG BUCKS!!!! 3X more then I every got back before 20K + this is great!!!! I like this liberal thing!!!! yeeehaaaaaaaaaaaa

My post said Obama attended white private schools. To say that Obama is “the first black president” is a joke.

@CW: Whatever makes your heart flutter, dude. It’s wonderful to see the new definition of black and white change with the Obama presidency. Once upon a time, like back on November 3, 2008, if you were half black, you were black. If it makes you feel better about his presidency, we’ll just call him white. Now that’s change we can believe in! LOL!

interested08–Asking a liberal/Democrat why they see emotions as a way to respond to debate is akin to asking an elephant to stop growing so large. If you haven’t noticed, the emotionally distraught among us are Democrats. They see dissent from the other side and automatically remember their hatred of Bush, hence the emotional outcry.
BTW: what more can the government take from a self financed, full time student that also works a part time and full time, just to pay the bills? If BHO or any of you emotionally driven liberals want more “skin” from me, well you are just gonna have to try and take it. I have nothing left to give except my grocery/gas money.
I could have hopped on the BHO love train and asked for handouts at any step, but something in me refused to be a burden on all the other taxpayers. It’s called conservatism.

Right on Nik84.
Its ironic that Obama calls for a spirit of Independence when he advocates total dependence on the gigantic bloated welfare state he plans on constructing.
I guess the best that we can hope for his for him to be content making meaningless speeches to what remains of the adoring press throng while Clinton III runs the country. And the rest of us workers try to circumvent his programs to remain a productive country.

“Again with the global warming – just the middle of the U.S. has been caught in a record deep freeze.”
Oh come now, even your Ms.siah from Alaska is forced to admit that global warming (climate change) is real, whatever the cause.

CW, And I’m Native-American-Indian, Black and German, but muy dominant characteristics are black/African-American. I’m reminded of this everytime I get pulled over by police or followed around in a dept. store, no matter how I would like it to be otherwise. Does being American-Indian, German and Black make me TRI-racial? I like the way Americans try to play with words when it’s convenient.

Ayn Rand’s intellectual heir, Leonard Peikoff, wrote a book called, “The Ominous Parrallels: The End of Freedom in America” which compared the direction modern America was heading with that of the statism of Hitler’s Germany. President-elect Obama is taking America further down this road.

A rebellious citizenry will soon enough be seeking the return of Howard Dean and John Edwards, to lead — with Jesse Jackson — the revolution against these faux-”Democratic” frauds, their bank bailouts, and their weasel words.

“Not sure who I am more sick of–the media or Obama.”
WAY more sick of Brock. There’s hope for the media to CHANGE, at least, and some are: Anderson Cooper — is getting skeptical around the edges, especially on the abominable Geithner appointment, and the slavish apologetics from overexposed know-it-all Paul Gergen are flagging.

I think I’ll just stick with the Declaration of Independence that’s been good enough for all Americans except your Messiah.

Rosie – I read the whole article. I already said that the stuff about Lincoln was filler – or did you miss that in my comment???? That was the author of the article talking, NOT Obama. The discussion up to that point had centered around the speech that OBAMA was giving, NOT Lincoln’s words.

Bummer For Obama
“I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races,” he announced in his Aug. 21, 1858, debate with Stephen Douglas. “I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.”
And, “Free them [slaves] and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this. We cannot, then, make them equals.”
In Springfield, Ill., on July 17, 1858, Lincoln said, “What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races.”

It’s disconcerting at times to think about Jake Tapper as the White House correspondent when he comes up with the gems found in the last paragraph, where his “most ardent supporter,” Mayor Sheila Dixon of Baltimore, has been indicted for “accepting gifts.” How on the planet is he able to discern the most ardent supporter among the vast millions nationally and internationally?

They really thought Obama was planning to rewrite the Declaration of Independence! *snicker*

i don’t understand the “i’m doing fine so why should i care about anyone else” attitude in america. someone said earlier that we should only pay taxes for national security…WHAT?!
what about education or healthcare? how do you excpect people to “pick themselves up by their own bootstraps” if there’s no opportunity to do so.
also, before you make a comment on whether or not obama is black, read about how we define race in this country first. the terms bi-racial or multi-racial are recent additions, and its all based on appearance.
obama appears to be black, so he’s black. end of story.
sorry if the truth is making it difficult for you to criticize obama.

“obama appears to be black, so he’s black. end of story.”
Well just so we get things straight, if it were up to his dad and mother, Obama and his sister would be no where.
It only because of his hard working, middle class, church going grandparents that the family didn’t end up a disaster.
Those are the hard working, thrifty, God fearing values shared by black and white families that are being thrown over board in the relentless pander for big government.

college_student – I am the one who said we should only be taxed by the Federal government for national security. Education should be take care of at the local level, NOT the federal level. And the government should not be in the healthcare business, at all. The Federal government is the reason healthcare is in the mess it is now. Everyone in this country has the opportunity to better themselves. Unfortunately, many choose not to.
Back to education – or anything the federal government tries to do with taxes. The numbers I am going to use here are for demonstration purposes only. Let’s say my local school district needs $1.00 to do something. If I am taxed locally, I pay $1.02 for the school district to get what they need. ($1.00 for the item & .02 to pay for processing) If I am taxed at the state level, I pay $ 1.25 so the school district can get the exact same item. ($1.00 for the item, .05 for local processing and requesting the money from the state & .22 for the collection of the taxes from me and distribution of the tax money to the local school district). If I am taxed at the federal level, I pay $ 1.75 so the school district can buy that $1.00 item. ($1.00 for the item, .05 for local processing and requesting the money from the state, .22 for processing the request, asking the federal government for the money, receiving the money & distributing it to the school district, .50 for the federal government collecting the tax, processing the state requests (through multiple departments) and disbursing the funds. Now, which scenario makes more sense?

A new Declaration of Independence? Just like that “Constitution that’s flawed”? Just like H.J.Res. 5 that was just introduced to give him a 3rd, 4th and 5th term at office? Give me a break! This guy has broken the Constitution, not upheld it. He’s not even eligible to be POTUS and he KNOWS it. Proof is in S.R. 511 when he tried to legislate McCain’s eligibility paving the way for his own. Why did he get involved? Because he was in the same boat as McCain.
All these politicians need to be FIRED, not given unlimited access to terms they never deserved in the first place!
New Declaration my butt! This guy is out to destroy this country and everything he thinks is wrong with the founding fathers and admitted it. He’s fooling no one!
Oh and Kathy, don’t worry, we’ve gotten off our butts. We’re not going to stop telling the truth about what Obama and his cronies have done until they are incarcerated like they should have been from the start! Don’t you worry, America has woken up and this is JUST THE BEGINNING now!
You want to play your game like Pelosi just did and grabbing more money from the American people for your socialistic bailout programs.

Obama won. Get over it, folks. Pressing your sour grapes only produces a bad whine.

The FIRST thing Pelosi and her ilk did the second they got the majority was throw out rescind the Gingrich act that gave the minority party the right to add amendments. It was ok that the dems had it while the republicans controlled, but now that the dems are in, this is how they show their true colors.
Then they demand more money from the American people for bailouts and social crap we never needed. This entire economic crisis was a scam. There was no crisis. There was only people who thought their house was worth a million bucks. Sorry, it wasn’t!
It was the dems who threw all the jobs out overseas. It was the dems who strangled American business and put the farmers out of business. It’s always the dems who cause all the problems and now we have this wingnut Obama who thinks our constitution is “flawed” and wouldn’t have put in the REAL black man, Clarence Thomas.
The dems are going to pay big time for this fiasco.

Clarification: As Obama’s (his) most ardent supporter.

I agree with Kathy, calling Mayor Sheila Dixon “Obama’s most ardent supporter” is a sleazy cheap shot, and arguably untrue.
This is not reporting, it is editorializing – and underhanded editorializing at that.

Mayor Sheila Dixon, recently indited….just another
“ardent supporter”. He sure knows
how to pick friends all of them are
hiding something or have been caught
doing something illegal. Was she from
Chicago? Hummmm…

Mildred when you’re as well-known as Obama, you have thousands of people who admire you and befriend you – many of those people will be hard-working, decent people . .. some will have made some mistakes. It doesn’t mean you selected them, it means they selected you. There is a BIG difference.

About that war in Afghanistan, the “war that needs to be waged wisely” in his words…I didn’t vote for Obama but I’m really looking forward to the universal military draft being reinstated so that young men and women people across the political spectrum are UNITED fighting the War on Terror together. It’s so important that our country fully appreciate how precious our freedom and liberty are. Obama implicitly understands this and I support him 100% in this effort. I truly believe he’ll unite us so that we’ll be victorious fighting Islamic fascism. I now understand why Obama’s supporters are so proud of him.

Mildred when you’re as well-known as Obama, you have thousands of people who admire you and befriend you – many of those people will be hard-working, decent people . .. some will have made some mistakes. It doesn’t mean you selected them, it means they selected you. There is a BIG difference.
Posted by: pefros | Jan 17, 2009 6:31:54 PM
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pefros……..Heaven help us if any more of those who admire and befriend Obama are selected to be one of his chosen folks. We sure do need more from the pay to play Chicago bunch.
They will sure know how to help him write a new Declaration of Independence.
He needs to concentrate on keeping us safe. If we aren’t safe we won’t need the checks he is promising and the payments to some for gasoline, food, house payments and health care. Oh,and you seem to know him so well; where will he be getting this money?

bill-tb: “You notice how all tyrants and their revolution are communists” Um, that’s the stupidest part of a monumentally stupid post. You know nothing of history if you can say something that pathetically wrong. Check out the following: Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet, Khomeini, Lech Walesa, Cory Aquino, Mikhael Gorbachev, Nelson Mandela. This is just off the top of my head and just in the 20th century. All of these figures led revolutions of one kind or another, and none were communist. Who cares what you think of the president-elect? You don’t even know basic history.

kathy – Creating government jobs is socialism -not quite welfare, but almost.

What’s wrong with the original? No matter what he does as President, he will never ever be as great as Thomas Jefferson or Washington

Obama, the Lincoln wannabe, wants to MOVE GITMO to the US. Housing 250 terrorists in our military bases.He wants bailout money starting at $1.2 trillion dollars.
The guy hasn’t even been sworn in yet.
Looks like we are in for a rough ride and the pilot doesn’t know how to fly.

Barack Obama spoke metaphorically of a “new declaration of independence” and immediately people popped out of the woodwork crying bloody murder because they think Obama is the boogeyman who wants to literally rip out the very foundations of this country. They believe he kept his true agenda hidden all through the campaign and only now is shouting “BOO” to America and revealing his evil plans. These people only prove how very correct Obama is about the small thinking, prejudice and bigotry that is so pervasive, and about the need to renew the ideals of our founding fathers. I only pray there are enough “better angels” to go around.

kathy – First of all, the firefighters in my town & all of the surrounding towns in my county are all volunteer. They are not paid. Police are paid at the LOCAL level, NOT the FEDERAL level. If you bothered to READ my comments, you would see that I feel those things should be taken care of at the LOCAL level. If there were an efficient way to pay police that wasn’t through taxation, I would lean that way, but unfortunately there isn’t. But anything that can be privately funded, should be privately funded. And everything that can feasibly be funded through taxes at the local level should be. The state & federal level should be for those things that can ONLY be done at those levels. If we did that, it would dramatically decrease the size of government & keep more money in OUR pockets – we wouldn’t be funding bloated bureaucracy.

Where can I watch the video, where our PE Obama walks on water????????

Lizzie, you’re thinking of the wrong One. The One that walks on water is the Alaskan Ms.siah – all those frozen lakes, you know.

kathy – Creating government jobs is socialism -not quite welfare, but almost.
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ellsbells- I read your comment above which was specific my earlier posting. I don’t know where you live – I assume in a small area without a paid fire department. In non rural areas of the country it would be disastrous to be limited to only volunteer services. Both law and fire fighters are considered governmental employees. I’ve never heard of them as non-governmental. If you look in any city phone directory, municipal services are listed in the government pages. I typically respond to concerns expressed specifically to me, not to someone else. You came across very upset that I didn’t respond to one of your earlier postings which wasn’t addressed to me. The BLOCK LETTERING and tenor to your communication illustrates how quickly some will react with undue anger to attempts to reason. My response was civil, yours clearly wasn’t.

kathy – The capitalization is for emphasis, not anger…because you cannot underline, bold, or italicize in these comment sections. That is a common way of emphasizing when those options aren’t available. Which is far different than capitalizing the whole post, which is commonly referred to as yelling.
Your paid firefighters are still paid at the LOCAL level, not the FEDERAL level, which is my point. All of these things need to be taken care of at the LOWEST level possible and the federal government needs to stay out of it. Which you would have gotten, had you read the whole post instead of just focusing on my emphasizing of words.

We are going to have to start the draft for the military just like Murtha wanted. Because any red blooded American would not want to be sacrificed to be slaughtered for a communist like Obama and company.They are already pushing to stop all talk radio and shut down anything conservative. That way the only freedom will be the communist way. They will visit the bay of pigs upon the American servicemen overseas. what then will you say…..oops sorry about that.When will Obamas private Army get started? After all he will need his own KGB to keep the masses in check. Yet you march on with out any thought just like all those who supported Stalin over the failed promise of socialism gone wrong.God protect us from the evil that marches today.

Warning everyone! Do not, I repeat, do NOT drink the brown koolaid!
Wait a second. Banning talk radio? Enslavement? Kenyan-born noncitizen?
Oops, I got here too late.

I’m not angry. I’m disappointed in my fellow Americans who buy into “Bush is evil” because they don’t agree with him. People need to understand what true evil is and it has never been ANY of our Presidents.

decider – You think the George H.W. Bush is the Devil? You honestly think that 84 year old man is the Devil? Hitler, as evil as he was, was not the Devil. Serial killers, as evil as they are, are not the Devil.

T – What did he do that was so evil? Did he kill the Democrats because they were the opposite party? Did he put women into slavery? Did he murder a specific ethnic group just because they were that specific ethnic group? Did he have people executed in the streets of America to show his power?

If you bothered to READ my comments . . .
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ellesbells- Your wording and caps didn’t mean to communicate derisiveness? My point is and remains is that fire fighters and the police are governmental workers. I never once stated they were employed a the federal level. You originally, as you well remember and which is down on the thread, made the claim of equating government services with welfare and socialism:
“kathy – Creating government jobs is socialism -not quite welfare, but almost.”
I don’t exactly enjoy bantering around with someone who won’t own up to their communications , and who also twist your words in an attempt to discredit them. My reading and comprehension is fine. It’s yours I’m concerned about, along with your inability to debate in a reasonable manner without resorting to attacks.

To Ted and all the other Obama birth certificate conspiracy believers:
Bruce Springsteen is performing at the inaugural festivities. Sing along, folks:
Born in the USA, he was born in the USA.
He was born in the USA, born in the USA.

Ok – I answered this once & my post disappeared….Kathy – No, the caps were not derisive. As I stated, they were for emphasis, because you can’t use bold, italics or underlines in these responses. That is common internet protocol. If you followed ALL of my posts, I consistently stated that I am against the Federal government being involved in areas that aren’t necessary. You are picking on the ONE entry that I did not actually use the word “federal”. However, it was implied based on all of my other posts in this thread. If you choose not to accept that, then that is your perogative – but it does not change my intent. I stand by my conviction that services that should be handled at the local level should be, without federal government interference.

I hate to break it to you folks, but Obama is NOT the first black president. He is the first biracial president. Raised by his white family. His Dad left him and his mother.

obamabot – Even if he wanted to, Obama could not use the funds donated for the inauguration for the bailouts. Since they were raised for a specific purpose, legally, they must be used for that purpose. And anything they are spending for the inauguration is dumping money into the economy… why is that bad?

Cut the chatter and get down to BUSINESS. What you have is a bunch of
opinions and at the end of the day that
is not what is required for success in
America. Don’t overlook the problem become a part of the solution. Put the opinions on the back seat. WHO CARES
ABOUT BARACK OBAMAS’ RACE ASSIGNMENT.
DO BUSINESS. WE HAVE PLAYED LONG ENOUGH
and people are tired of loose chatter. Give the world an element of hope. we can’t process the chatter in fact, it is called loose gossip with no substance
for developing an economy that will be beneficial to all. I know in all of the efforts educational institutions have employed,we can do better than discuss Obamas racial assignment. Quantitate what percentage one should have in terms of Black and White to be called
an African American. OPINIONS, OPINIONS,
OPINIONS. VALIDATIONSVALIDATIONS VALIDATIONS.

These are all nice little stories.
Now we shall see how his left wing ideas affect our country.
I’m only hoping his getting off coke was easier than his getting off cigs.

What’s next, re-write the bible!?

Why do people get so heated when arguing about Obama and Bush? As if either of these men are there to help any of you? LOL!
The FACTS are that both of this people are just underlings of the New World Order. They do what the worldwide banking cabal and the papacy tell them to do.
The change is that more and more of our civil liberties will be eroded, and we will get further away from the constitution.
But don’t blame just Obama or blame just Bush. It is the entire political system that has been working us toward this end for a very long time.
If you want real change, change that will be GOOD for everyone, it must START by abolishing the Federal Reserve Bank that has pretty much manipulated our financial crisis from the get go.
While I wouldn’t be surprised if the NWO tried to write a new Declaration of Independence or even a new Constitution, this was probably just a figure of speech Obama was using.