More on Holder and FALN

Holder seems to be holding his own during this grilling.

Holder is not a good choice for AG.
He is another “crook” lawyer. We need a AG to come clean.

All this Questioning is just a “Dog & Pony Show” !
He could be a Terrorist,but as long the Messiah Recommended him, that Info is trivial !

Eric Holder will make a fine Attorney General. like Ryan C remarked, he’s dong fine in these hearings and answering well.
i am suprised by Cornyn’s prosecutorial-style questioning. it’s hard to believe this pompous, arrongant senator ever served on the Texas Supreme Court. perhaps we could pour over all his decisions and see when and how he defined terrorism. that he is no longer a judge is a thing to behold.

“I might add the potential for domestic terrorism has increased with the election of the first African American president.”
I would like to think differently but I have to agree with a heavy heart.

kat—”the potential for domestic terrorism has increased with the election of the first African American president.” i assume you mean violent hate groups like the KKK, Aryan Nation, Aryan Brotherhood. i agree with you. these groups have the same mindset as Al-Qaeda. there are terrorist organizations in the US, but the people from the radical right only consider foreigners to be terrorists, not white, “good Americans.”

“Not responsible directly for any murders.”
It’s good to have a plain definition, at long last, of what the Brock Bunch means by “change”.
Why bother to HAVE a Senate, you gotta wonder, if all they can do is turn the Treasury over to the corporations, and the government over to high-priced thugs.

“Why bother to HAVE a Senate, you gotta wonder, if all they can do is turn the Treasury over to the corporations, and the government over to high-priced thugs.”
Waaaaaahhhhhh….
The cries grow louder the closer Jan 20th gets.

“Eric Holder will make a fine Attorney General. like Ryan C remarked, he’s dong fine in these hearings and answering well.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
” And we took those into — I took those into — let’s talk about me… ”
If they shouldnt have been in jail any longer that is an issue for the Parole Board.
Not a pardon.
The only reason to release these terrorists is because it served the political Interests of the President who’s wife needed Peurto Rican votes in her Senate race.

Belle Starr—wow what a positive attitude. you’ll go far. the economic mess is a bipartisan problem and will require both parties to come together and fix it. there is little tolerance for arrogant, popmpous republican senators. the people have spoken, it’s time for a new day. change will not happen in one day, but it will happen.

“NObody who’s tracking has any illusions left about Brock, or any doubt about the corporatist ideological bent of His handlers.”
Back into the left wing cloak as defender of the people.
It really is funny to see you switch between the racist and populist roles.

BertieW—”Interests of the President who’s wife needed Peurto Rican votes in her Senate race.”…ROFLMFAO yeah those votes from Puerto Rico would have made all the difference! i’ve read some funny stuff today but this takes the cake. you should do stand-up if you aren’t already.

“Brock’s exact course on Israel’s “sacrosanct”ity, the “bailouts”, the Patriot Act, etc.”
ROFLMAO!
Its hilarious to see a right winger pretend to be a left winger!

kat—it is very sad that we have to be so concerned with domestic terrorism. and i think the new president will always be at risk. you can see the seeds of hate even on the blogs—the racism and xenophobia. these are the same characteristics Al Qaeda have. it starts with hate and then moves to action. i know that the new president’s security will be the tightest ever. more threats from within the nation than from outside out boreders.

Funny — I also don’t see much coverage about tax cheat Geithner. Politico says no one seems outraged. Maybe that’s because his serious abuse of the law, and his repeated warnings he had to pay his taxes ahve really not received that much coverage. GMA gave it about 2 sentences the other morning in the news, then we’re treated to George telling us it’s not a big deal.
Those of us who DO pay our taxes would beg to differ.

“You have a selective memory. HRC supported the clemency as reported by CNN in September, 1999:”
Selective memory.
Hmmmm (From Sept 8th 1999)
The FALN controversy took another political turn over last weekend when first lady Hillary Clinton called on her husband to withdraw the clemency offer, saying the failure of the 16 to immediately accept the conditions suggested they were not prepared to renounce violence.

“BertieW—”Interests of the President who’s wife needed Peurto Rican votes in her Senate race.”…ROFLMFAO yeah those votes from Puerto Rico would have made all the difference! i’ve read some funny stuff today but this takes the cake. you should do stand-up if you aren’t already. ”
According to wikipedia Peutro Ricans are the largest Hispanic minority in NYS and make up 5.5% of the population with about 1.5M people.

“I also don’t see much coverage about tax cheat Geithner.”
Hahaha. You WILL see MORE.

The impetus for the whole rotten deal was to benefit Hillary. Are you claiming that this isnt a valid quote:
“A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton’s campaign said she supports the clemency offer”
The fact that she back peddled when law enforcement raised a stink means nothing means nothing in terms of how this dirty backroom deal was constructed in the first place.
The facts are that she was before the deal before she was against it.

“The fact that she back peddled when law enforcement raised a stink means nothing means nothing in terms of how this dirty backroom deal was constructed in the first place.”
ROFLMAO…so to kick off her campaign Bill issues a controversial pardon that promptly puts her in a difficult spot.
Republican lies apparently never die.

WASHINGTON – Former FBI Director Louis Freeh urged the Senate Judiciary Committeeon Friday to confirm Eric Holder as the next attorney general as Barack Obama’s pick won key support from another GOP senator.
Freeh’s endorsement came during the second and final day of confirmation hearings before the committee.
As the panel questioned witnesses, Holder met with Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla. Martinez issued a statement after the hearing saying he would vote for Holder.

“This defense has been non-operative for three days.”
The IRS in 2006 and 2007 offered leniency to U.S.-based employees of international organizations and foreign embassies, saying there were rampant problems with tax-law compliance.
“The IRS estimates that as many as half of these employees subject to U.S. tax fail to report their wages, claim deductions they are not entitled to, incorrectly establish” retirement plans, “fail to pay self-employment tax or fail to file tax returns,” the agency said in a March 22, 2007, news release.

“Try blackcommentator, maybe.”
Free Republic’s favorite African American commentators?
Who spend the vast majority of their time tearing down black leaders?

“The lie was that clemency was offered to help her in her campaign.”
Its the most plausible explanation. Even Holder admits that every one in law enforcement was against it. It is highly unusual not to have a Justice Department investigation for this type of case but Holder specifically avoided it.
Because this was politically motivated. If it followed the normal process it never would have been approved.
US Attorney Joseph DiGenova said in 2001
“Let me just say, categorically, the Puerto Rican terrorists were pardoned because they were a political benefit to the President’s wife. Make no mistake about it. There was no justification for these pardons.”
CNN story from august 23, 1999, before HRC’s reversal:
“A former detective, Rich Pastorella, said he believes the president’s motives
are political and that he is “really truly pandering to the Hispanic community, the Latino community for their vote when Mrs. Clinton runs for the vacated [Senate] seat of Patrick Moynihan in New York state.”
Pastorella was blinded and lost five fingers as a result of a bomb set by the
FALN in lower Manhattan in 1982. ”
“It was stupid on its face (ie: intro a candidate in the heart of controversy) and later proved a political liability for Hillary. ”
Clinton was obviously surprised at how much his little backroom deal blew up into the press. Do you think he anticipated the Marc Rich reaction or the Congress coming out so heavily against FALN? Of course not. You cant use after the fact thinking to justify that rationale of what he thought he could get away with at the time.

“Because this was politically motivated. If it followed the normal process it never would have been approved.”
And to prove that you offer the opinion of a right wing lawyer and an angry victim.
“Clinton was obviously surprised at how much his little backroom deal blew up into the press.”
You really think Clinton was surprised by Republicans leaping on his pardons?
“Do you think he anticipated the Marc Rich reaction or the Congress coming out so heavily against FALN?”
I think he certainly did so on FALN.
Which makes his doing so for the benefit of his wife’s candidacy all the more unlikely.
Why in the world would he make such a controversial decision as a means of helping his wife’s candidacy.
That makes little sense.

kat: “It’s also sad commentary on the underreporting of [domestic terrorism.]”
It’s also sad that most people don’t understand that terrorism, in whatever form it takes, doesn’t exist in a vacuum.
I’m not going to defend or excuse what FALN members did in the misguided and violent furtherance of their cause, but I would offer that it wouldn’t necessaily hurt Americans to at least try to understand for themselves the history and the nature of the U.S. role in Puerto Rico, and the persistent and the deep ambivalence and / or resentment that a suprisingly substantial number of that island’s residents have toward our continued presence there.
I think that we’re often far quicker to see ourselves as the victims of what we perceive as others people’s ungratefulness and / or unreasonable attitudes toward the United States, rather than as the unsuspecting scapegoats who are sometimes held collectively accountable by others for the sometimes truly atrocious things that have been perpetrated in our own country’s name by greedy and unscrupulous individuals and corporations acting purely in their own self-interest.

“Yeah, it was all those mean Republicans. Everyone else was in favor of happy little terrorists skipping free. Thats why the Senate voted 95-2.”
We were discussing his mentality before making the decision.
The Senate vote happened 4 months later and was a political move by Republicans looking to make it a no win vote for Democrats who could not appear soft on terrorism going into an election year.
BTW from the article you ripped that from
” When Clinton first made the clemency offer over a month ago, there was speculation it was to help Hillary Clinton attract votes from New York’s 1.3 million Puerto Ricans.
But it has only hurt Mrs. Clinton, who came out against clemency 11 days ago and denies knowing anything about the original offer.”

“The Senate vote happened 4 months later and was a political move by Republicans looking to make it a no win vote for Democrats who could not appear soft on terrorism going into an election year.”
Whoops misread the date of the article.
This happened about a month after Clinton issued the pardon.

Holder is holding his own.
He should be the next Attorney General.

“But he would never lie to us. But he did, he was and he has.”
Bertie still worried about the Clenis.
Not really shocked, right wingers had to focus on something else as Bush shredded the Constitution and led us to war.

“but at least the rest of the world is still laughing at America for the BUFFOON called Obama we elected”
ROFLMAO!
The world is rejoicing in the election of Obama.
They had feared we had lost our minds during the Bush years.

Ryan C
Thank you! Thank you, for finally admitting what liberals truly feel about 9/11.
You have no love for America and certainly do not have her best interest at heart.
If BO would have only been honest with the American people and said the reason he surrounded himself with anti-American nuts was because he agreed with them, he would never have been elected.
Instead, BO said ridiculous things like “Ayers did what in the 60′s??!!” or “I had no idea my pastor was a racist anti-American quack”, and the media let those lies slide by.
Liberals have been trying to tear this country apart for years because THEY HATE AMERICA.
Why don’t you all just leave and go to where you belong- Cuba, North Korea, ect, instead of trying to turn the United States into the Soviet Union?

“”But he would never lie to us. But he did, he was and he has.”
Bertie still worried about the Clenis.
Not really shocked, right wingers had to focus on something else as Bush shredded the Constitution and led us to war.
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Yeah, because we are talking about the reheated leftovers from Clinton II. Holder’s last official act was a political pander for his boss.
Your protestations convince NO ONE, because that kind of activity is exactly what Clinton is know for.
So the only question is do we want to appoint a hack like Holder who compromised the standards of justice for his bosses benefit.
Do we want someone denies the right to an attorney to US citizens but whose heart bleeds for non-citizen enemy combatants?

ryanc
Actually, this science you are referring to is based on roughly 100 years of data only. It also does not take into account the numerous ice ages that have come and gone on their own long before Al Gore had private jets, private yachts, $30,000 utility bills ect.
Bottom line, global warming, errr, climate change, is bologna.

It’s also sad that most people don’t understand that terrorism, in whatever form it takes, doesn’t exist in a vacuum.
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It’s sad some of my examples of pernicious domestic terrorism were censored, too. But then, yes, I totally agree, like everything else, terrorism doesn’t exist in a vacuum.

“The doubters are paid flunkies for the oil & gas industry.”
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Along with scientists accepting some generous handouts from the American Enterprise Institute.

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“The doubters are paid flunkies for the oil & gas industry.”
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Along with scientists accepting some generous handouts from the American Enterprise Institute.”
Why dont you give us the amounts?
The fact, inescapable for any find minder person, is that there is WAY WAY WAY WAY more money, prestige, tenure to be gained from going along with the global warming hysteria.
All of Mobile only spent <$3M over 40 groups. You are going to be buying off a scientist for a measly $20K or $30K?
On the other hand, in addition to the vast sums available from charities, univeristy grants and think tanks, Obama has just proposed the following political payoff:
$400 million "to put more scientists to work doing climate change research"
$400 million. You tell me where the economic incentives are.

kat
I was making the point that for millions of years the earth has experienced drastic changes in climate on its own. But now all of a sudden, the earth goes up a degree every 10 years and it is because of al gore’s $30,000 monthly utility bills.
Ice ages came and went on their own, which means……gasp!….. the world got colder and than hotter on its own.
I don’t think that saber-toothed tigers or wooly mammoths were driving around in private and yachts like the messiah of global warming is today. Nope, the earth either got too hot or too cold for them to survive all on its own.
So that means just one thing, doesn’t it? The earth’s climate is cyclical!

“Except in Columbus’s day, scientific organizations did not exists and scientists felt the wrath of the Roman Catholic Church if they made proclamations contrary to scripture. ”
See. The problem isnt what you dont know (although that’s a big problem). Its what you know that isnt right.
For all ‘progressives’ love nuance they dont see much of it in their Church=bad rhetoric.
Who do you think paid for Galileo’s observatory?

Holder will be holding something else one of these days (in his hand, embarassed as he should be)
Obama and Holder love terrorists, not the USA!
Do you really think Hamas cares about infidels’ basic human rights?
Obamabot fools, drink more Kool-Aid

“All of Mobile only spent <$3M over 40 groups. You are going to be buying off a scientist for a measly $20K or $30K?"
Pay no attention to the millions spent each year on groups that deny climate change!
But I did find this little diddy is a story reporting those contributions.
"We believe that climate change is a serious issue and that action is warranted now," said Exxon Mobil spokesman Dave Gardner.
"On the other hand, in addition to the vast sums available from charities, univeristy grants and think tanks, Obama has just proposed the following political payoff:
$400 million "to put more scientists to work doing climate change research"
$400 million. You tell me where the economic incentives are."
So scientists for over 30 years years have been ginning up global warming in hopes that someday a President would reward them with research funding.

“So scientists for over 30 years years have been ginning up global warming in hopes that someday a President would reward them with research funding.”
You are so close to discovering the horrible truth for yourself.
If 3 million is enough to buy of scientists then how about the orders of magnitude more being spent on the pro-warming side? How about the $50 BILLION we have spent on global warming research since 1990? Pretty corrupting huh? Makes $3M look like small potatoes.
Nope, there is no question, if you want the respect of your industry, get your research trips with earnest perky young coeds funded, get your papers published, you need to get on board the gravy train.

So that means just one thing, doesn’t it? The earth’s climate is cyclical!
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Jill- I agree with you the earths climate is cyclical. The seasons are cyclical in addition to the historical epochs you mentioned. One of the effects of global warming is the disruption of the seasonal patterns, such as record highs that are occurring in the fall and winter. Yes, there are records lows occurring with the highs in the seasons, which is a manifestation of climate destabilization. The destabilization of the present seasonal patterns in no way resembles the ice ages of prehistory. You have taken a talking point flaunted around by Sarah Palin and the minions of the oil industry and it’s being presented repeatedly as scientific proof against global warming. It’s more voodoo than it is science.

Holder strongly suggested that, when deciding whether to indict a corporation — and indictment can be a death sentence for companies in certain businesses — they consider whether the company has “cooperated” in the investigation.”
Again a defense of companies whose reputations are so important that they can remain above the law.
You then cite an out of control Bush DOJ who under Gonzalez showed they could give a rat’s fart about the law.
And you left this out
The 2003 “Thompson Memorandum,” successor to the Holder version, stated far more explicitly that “cooperation” would be a major factor in a prosecutor’s decision to indict a corporation. And as the language grew more threatening with each passing iteration, corporations under federal investigation became adversaries not of the government, but of their own employees.

“Do you even know what you are arguing?”
Do you? Since you;re arguing Holder abrogated civil rights yet you could not demonstrate that happening until the Gonzalez DOJ operating under the Thompson memo.
Even Larry Thompson was upset about the application of his memo in that case.
Here’s Holder when asked about the McNulty change which happened post Thompson
Holder says he’s proud of his memo and criticized the way in which people in the field interpreted it. “It was never the intent to view waiving the attorney-client privilege as a negative,” he said. “If you made a decision to waive the privilege, you could get credit for that, but it was only in extraordinary circumstances and should have only been viewed as a positive.”
He applauds McNulty’s changes. “Today, it’s maddening,” he says. “You’ll go into a prosecutor’s office . . . and fifteen minutes into our first meeting they say, ‘Are you going to waive?’”

“Holder says he’s proud of his memo and criticized the way in which people in the field interpreted it. “It was never the intent to view waiving the attorney-client privilege as a negative,” he said. “If you made a decision to waive the privilege, you could get credit for that, but it was only in extraordinary circumstances and should have only been viewed as a positive.””
You were all for railroading these white color criminals before- you changing position again?
And this is another example of his after the fact thinking.
- that was never the intent of the Holder Memo, even though its the obvious logical consequence.
- Marc Rich was mistake
- FALN terrorists. “Probably wouldnt have ended up in the same place”.
How many do overs are you going to give this guy?

“Galileo is a complex subject and your summary was naive.”
It certainly is.
Which makes your defense of the Church’s actions all the more baffling.

“”You were all for railroading these white color criminals before- you changing position again?”
I was reluctant to shed a tear at the telling of Ed Meese’s sob story.
You apparently are the great civil rights defender provided its a corporation or white collar criminal’s rights. Anyone else…not so much. ”
Note that these people are citizens.
Yes I prioritize the rights white color citizens over the rights of non-citizen terrorists.
I wish you and your administration joined me in that.
You still cant bring yourself to a coherent position on Holder Memo. Are you in favor of 6th amendment rights or are you shredding the Constitution by shedding mock tears? Your commitment to Constitutional rights seems like it extends just far as the Obama donor list.